How Doctor Who Ruined Regeneration
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
- Doctor Who's concept of regeneration was introduced all the way back in the 60s due to William Hartnells (the 1st doctors) declining health. It was a way to prolong the show and keep it fresh. From the 4th doctor regenerating due to the watcher to the 2nd doctor being forced to regenerate because of the Time Lords as punishment to the 8th doctor drinking a potion to change into the war Doctor to fight in the time war. Regeneration has always been whacky.
In NuWho, there's been fake out Regenerations curtesy of the 10th (David tennant) & the 12th Doctor (Peter capaldi) but in recent times we've seen doctor who change Regeneration down to its origins in the timeless child with the doctor being responsible, to the doctor gaining more Regenerations & even the doctors body being regenerated into by the master and then regenerating into the 10th doctors face as the 14th doctor to brand new Bi-generation with Ncuti Gatwa, the 15th doctor & David Tennant, 14th, that has changed Regeneration forever.
So is Regeneration Ruined and overused?
Doing a body swap where the Master's mind is in the Doctor's body and vice versa would have been a GOLDEN opportunity for both Dewan and Whittaker to absolutely FLEX their acting chops. I'm so gutted now that it didn't happen that way.
That would've been brilliant. The Master has tried to steal the Doctor's body outright on several occasions, so to actually see it happen would've tied into continuity beautifully.
Agreed, total missed opportunity there.
My problem with Jodie regenerating into Tennant isn't that 10s face showed back up. It's that for some reason the clothes changed with them. The reason he came back is dumb but I can kinda buy it. But the clothes have literally never changed while regenerating
Actually, they have! When the First Doctor regenerated, the Second sat up in the Patrick Troughton costume. While this came from a time where the writers hadn't come up with a lot of the regeneration lore we know today, it remains a thing that happened in canon. Little things like this have happened along the way too. Like Tom Baker's boots being shoes in Peter Davison's first story (Castrovalva) or Jodie Whittaker wearing very different pants to Peter Capaldi. Now we know it's just something that can potentially happen during a regeneration!
13's clothes were just built different
Davies blaming it on trans representation too, was a massive YIKES. It's literally doing the opposite of what those like me in the community need. (Genderfluid)
I mean, let's face it. Jon Pertwee in that flower dress for a disguise. That literally would've fooled me.
You know what, I'll animate the version by hand if I have to.
@@kyrauniversal I mean I wouldn't call it blame honestly. I understand where he was coming from with the decision (not wanting the situation to become another bullet in bigoted media's arsenal) even though I disagree with him because that's exactly why he should've double down with the regeneration.
He gave the series to the mouse (nbc and lego dimensions fans want a word with him about that choice) Claimed it was to not insult the trans community (even though Neil Gaiman got David Tennant in disguise as a woman before, and pulled it off TREMENDOUSLY, as he also wrote the "Moffat" story The Doctor's Wife, so someone could've asked David about getting Neil onto this) and finally, as someone who lives with those who suffer from disability, not giving context as to why Davros looked different and had legs, would obviously cause a media stir. And the fact he blamed it on "not having the villain be disabled" when A. The Tharries ramp on the TARDIS exists now. And B. Literally, you have a UNIT advisor, Miss Shirley Anne Bingham herself, who is wheelchair bound! What Davies tries to do is ending up the opposite. It's either that he is too unimaginative, and refuses to take the valid criticism we give because of the sea of bigoted filth, or he's like a certain someone who would've been admired by Henry Van Statten. "King of his own little world."@@danielsleeper2307
How to fix The Timeless Child problem: He lied.
The Master never lies. He is cruel honest.
@@mayotango1317 He lies.
He thought it was about the Dr but it was actually about him
That would actually be a problem and actually ruin his character. Because, unlike the Doctor who has essentially been a trickster demigod since day one, the master is actually characterized extremely by his mortality, he literally spent the majority of the classic series and the extended universe, trying to cheat the regeneration limit because he was walking around in his own decaying, corpse or someone. Else's stolen body.@@Dr.Who-is-awsome
@@plantainsame2049maybe he didn't know and him being able to steal others body's was a perk of being timeless child
If Ncuti in The Giggle is The Doctor from the future, why have a regeneration at all? Why not just have him travel back from the future? Plotwise the effect would be exactly the same - exactly the same as the 12th Doctor turning up in Day of the Doctor.
The Five Doctors actually explained that the High Council had the ability to grant a new regeneration cycle to the Master, who was possessing a Trakenite body at the time.
My theory/headcannon is the following: The Timeless Child is NOT the Doctor (I mean, come on, why would she believe the Master?), however it DID exist. I quite like the idea of the Time Lords being a pompous race, and the fact that their pompousness derives from such cruel and fabricated means makes their species more interesting and suits them well. Their sense of self-pride is their longevity, and they stole it from a child.
I'm going to tell you a story, a story of how regeneration was created in the universe and wielded by the Time Lords. I'm going to be using TV ONLY LORE for this and trying to create a cohesive story.
Tek-Teyun's experiment "works". She is able to regenerate. But, when she tries it on other members of her species, it doesn't work. They are unable to regenerate. How bizarre, it worked on her, what went wrong?
Then Gallifrey went about its business, developing space travel, large citadels, and, more importantly, time travel. And then after millions of years, some timelords began to regenerate. Tek-Teyun watched from a distance in shock, for years, she had been the only one able to regenerate, but what changed?
And then it hits her, when she found that child so long ago, she found her next to a rift in reality. An error in normal space-time. These Gallifreyans, in their meddling with time, they had awoken the latent regenerative ability in their genes that Tek-Teyun had installed so many years ago.
Soon, the higher-ups of Gallifrey realised this connection, and realised that Gallifreyan children that weren't exposed to the Time Winds (or at least Time Travel) were unable to regenerate. So when the Time Lords built The Academy, they exposed the new 8 year olds to the Untempered Schism, a crack in the fabric of the universe much like the rift Tek-Teyun found, as some sort of initiation so that they would be able to regenerate. Eventually, time travel became so intertwined with Gallifrey as a whole, that even those that were unexposed at a basic level were able to regenerate as the damage of time travel had seeped to every corner of the planet. However, the Initiation ritual would still be practised as a tradition, as well as to prepare potential scientists and observers for the scale of time itself, and turn the Master insane as well.
Which is why, billions of years later, an otherwise human baby conceived in the time vortex would be able to regenerate, namely a Melody Pond (or River Song, depending on who you ask). The vortex itself is imbued with the abilities of regeneration.
TL;DR: Fractures in space-time cause Gallifreyans to develop the ability to regenerate, but only because Tek-Teyun gave them the to regenerate. River Song was born in the time-vortex and managed to obtain it due to her exposure to the time winds during conception. The Initiation at the Academy is a tradition that came from forcibly exposing young Time Lords to fractures to give them the ability to regenerate.
Tek-Teyun
No really.
" The Timeless Child is NOT the Doctor (I mean, come on, why would she believe the Master?)" Tecteun CONFIRMED that the Master wasn't lying in Series 13, the Timeless Child IS the Doctor. Flat out.
Womp womp
I think the problem is that regenerations of recent are too much of an event or a plot device. In the Classic era, the Doctor would die, regenerating and the next Doctor would take over usually in the same scene. But now the Doctor dies, hangs around long enough to binge a Netflix series, gives a goodbye speech then regenerates, and then the new Doctor has a comedic little screen which ends in a cliffhanger. There is also the fact that regeneration is no longer a mystery or something that just happens when a Time Lord dies, and that seemingly every writer feels the need to give an origin story for regeneration or using it as a toy like the sonic screwdriver. I would be very happy if the only time we see regeneration in the years to come is when the Doctor dies and another Doctor takes over.
For me, The end of Time was emotional cause it was advertised as “The Tenth Doctor’s Final Adventure”in the trailers, but now with 14 and so many Doctor cameos, regeneration no longer holds any sense of threat or urgency as The Doctor can just change back, when in Born Again (2005 mini episode), Rose asks the doctor to change back, and he says he can’t. I think from now on, RTD should just do traditional Regenerations and not do something like the 14th Doctor or a Bi-Regeneration again. 👍🏻
He can't really "change back", its explained in The Giggle that he was wearing himself thin & that's why 10's face returned. Otherwise good points tho
@@Comicbroe405 Yeah but that doesn’t explain The Curator in The Day of the Doctor where he says that “you might find yourself revisiting a few, but just the old favourites aye”, also in Power of the Doctor when The Doctor regenerated into The Master and then Yaz managed to degenerate her back into Jodie didn’t land for me, but I get that others may like it though! 👍🏻
@@CJFS00s Ah true on those points.
@@Comicbroe405 I’m probably moaning about it when there isn’t a problem but I can’t imagine how the general audience understands any of the past 10 years of the show? 😂 I think there was a clip of Ncuti explaining the Bi-Generation to Graham Norton and even he was confused.
Fourteen was a different incarnation to Ten though. Notably he was much more understanding and affectionate than Ten. He had some of Ten's mannerisms but he was also his own person.
Also, the Doctor can't *choose* to change back to an earlier reincarnation. It's not up to him. Presumably this is true of the Curator incarnation, too.
RTD presumably doesn't plan to do it again. This was a 60th anniversary thing and, once that was over, he moved onto Ncuti.
I think alot of the recent regenerations accidentally tie into things weve seen in the past. Toms cameo in day of the doctor sets up the idea of revisiting old faces, and capaldi threw in the idea of the doctor subconsciously choosing his face
Also, I doubt this is what they were going for, but my theory on bi generation is that it happens when a timelords subconcious is split between two different states of mind. In this case, needing to settle down and retire, and continuing to travel the universe helping people
I think that The Timeless Child isn't The Doctor. The Timeless Child is an Primordial Entity from another Universe. The fugitive Doctor is a completely different variant of The Doctor from another Universe as well. It's pretty obvious that's my fan theory.
I'm all for this idea, brilliant.
I don’t know how we’re supposed to reconcile River’s ability to regenerate with the Timeless Child revelation. The time lords gained the ability to regenerate via exposure to the time vortex. River gained the ability to regenerate because she was conceived in the time vortex. That was established. Do we just… forget about that?
Completely agree to most of what you say. Although I have some resistance to them naturally having it, as it has always been something Time Lord exclusive. Other Gallifreyans such as those in the countryside and the Sisterhood of Karn have never been shown to regenerate and with at least the Sisterhood, we've seen that instead they have potions that let them live so long.
In the EU this is obviously explained, that Rassilon created regeneration and it's given to Time Lords at the academy.
Now obviously this doesn't entirely make sense considering River Song, so I like the idea that it is something Gallifreyans have in their genome, but it needs to be activated before they can actually regenerate, and perhaps after a certain number, it turns off again. This I feel would help explain River, and how the Time Lords could give the Doctor more regenerations.
A somewhat nonsense idea I had while watching the video that would help preserve both the former and new continuity, is perhaps the Doctor comes from an alternate Gallifrey where yes, regeneration was natural or given by Rassilon, before being trapped in N-Space. We know the Time Lords could cross universes after all.
I like the idea that Regeneration is granted or "perfected" in the Academy. Some Time Lords are better at it due to some kind of training that the Doctor never completed, but I think that's what sets them apart from the Shobogan/Outlander Gallifreyans.
The Academy being a military one in some form, it seems the purpose is to train Officers who would spearhead Time Lord operations across space and time to anchor their own supremacy and meddle in the histories of would-be threats, hence the Genesis Incident and the Time War. They established the morphic field to make many species across Creation "evolve" into Gallifreyan shape, which seems to indicate their (or at least Rassilon's) ego. I find that part of the mythos fascinating.
River Song and Timeless Child complicate it a little, but I don't think it's unsalvageable if they retcon the Timeless Child in a way that fixes what it broke.
I would have liked an in-universe explanation as to why the Thirteenth Doctor's clothes changed when regenerating in to the Fourteenth Doctor, since it was the first time the costume changed with the actor since the First Doctor's regeneration in to the Second Doctor. All other times we see the newly regenerated Doctor in their previous incarnation's clothes.
Same. I'm still a little bit clinging to the notion of Celestial Toymaker tomfoolery, on that basis, amongst others.
The bi-generation was a crazy thing & honestly get why ppl wouldn't like it at all but I'm hoping they actually do smtg with it. There's lots of potential here.
I don't know was it really stated in the show but i heard that more experienced timelords can control their regeneration and their look (that's why earlier master faces look so similar for example) that could explain why 14th looks like 10th
Well the Master's first few television bodies weren't actually regenerations. Delgado was his last body of his original cycle, and when he tried to regenerate, he turned into the corpse Master, before eventually stealing the body of Ainley's Keeper of Trakken.
Professor YANA into Saxon is at least on TV, the first proper regeneration we see the Master have.
Edit because I forgot to put it: Skilled Time Lords can consciously choose a form though yes, even going through several bodies testing them out. We see this with Romana II.
@@myrddinemrys1332 but lore accurate changing of actors is the reason why regeneration was introduced at first place
@@alex-oh8bh It was, but they didn't do it for the Master. He was portrayed as being at the end of his life.
I have another fan theory that suggests. That the Master also had a degeneration like the Doctor. Obviously it would have happened after Yaz and all the Doctor's friends had helped to restore The Doctor. From the forced regeneration. So, that would have had a effect on the Master as well. So, after being shot down by his own weapon. He would have encountered The Toymaker. Played a game with him and lost. Resulting him in becoming a gold tooth. So, after The The 14th Doctor and 15th Doctor had defeated The Toymaker. He's gold tooth was left behind. The scene is setup exactly like John Simm's Master ring was left behind. So, what if after that The spell that bounded The Master. Was lifted. So, returning his Capacity to regenerate. But, like The Doctor he changes back from Sacha Dhawan's Master to John Simm's again. So, he would be just as surprised as the 14th Doctor was when he changed back. To his original face. So, he finds his Tardis and travels all the way back to the year 100,000,000,000,000. As he thinks of a new plan. He once again encounters The Toclafane. He reintroduces himself to them as The Master. Due to the Year That Never Was timeline being erased. So, that would have corrected the timeline. In this fixed point in time The Master would have regained his regeneration cycle through using his chameleon arch. Everything would have been the same. Professor Yana goes mad and kills his assistant Chantho. The difference would be The Master would have reactivated his Tardis siege mode. After having his memories back. Chantho would have still shot The Master with a lazer blaster. Then The Master regenerates in his Tardis and leaves the Year 100,000,000,000,000. The Degenerated Master would returned to Utopia. Knowing that the home of The Tolcafane was nothing more but, darkness. So, what he did in the erased timeline. Would never have happened. But, the Doctor, Martha, Captain Jack, Master and everyone would have remembered. Due to them being in the eye of the storm. So, according to The Master it happened. But, the Toclafane wouldn't remember. So, instead The Master would have found The Timeless Child Entity. And built a machine that can fused them together as one. Resulting in making The Master becoming the Timeless Child. Making him immortal. The Master has always wanted to achieve immortality. Including becoming a unstoppable God. But, he also ends up having a bigeneration. So, he can't regenerate anymore. But, he can now keep the same face. And be eternal plus having the power to shape shift. Like a God. Meanwhile the bigenerated Master builds his own Tardis and travels back to the 21st century and meets the 15th Doctor or 16th. Depending what time line he ends up in next. Meanwhile the Degenerated Master grants the Toclafane the capacity to regenerate. And the knowledge of time travel. The Tolcafane become The New Time Lords. He leaves the dying Universe in a void ship with the Toclafane. The exact one that Daleks used to escape the Time War. Except this vision is more advanced as The Master redesigned it. Giving it the ability to travel to other universes. Plus giving it the capacity to be bigger on the inside. Like the Tardis but, as big as Galifrey. So, he can fit all the Tolcafane inside. The New Time Lords/Tolcafane end up in a new Universe that has only just been born. They invade that Universe and the Master becomes the Founder of The New Time Lords. The Toclafane/New Time Lords reproduce by cloning themselves. Like the Daleks but, even more supperior to them and the Time Lords and 21st century Humans combined. Tolcafane in this New Universe are part of the inevitable prophecy of The Timelords. They are The Hybrid as they are have Time Lord and half Human. But, in robtic spheres. So, this concludes my theory.
In short The Master's fate is to become a god like Rassilon. Lead the Tolcafane into a new Universe. Including turning them into New Time Lords.
The problems started with Journey's End. "I used the regeneration energy to heal myself, but after that I didn't need to change" but the whole point was that he changes so the he can heal himself. If he can heal without changing then what's the point in the change? We all just let it pass because it made for such a great cliffhanger but it's only gotten worse since then.
The whole bi-generation thing could’ve been explained as reality being all screwed up thanks to the Toymaker resulting in an unnatural regeneration or even the regeneration cycle being all screwed up due to the Master’s forced regeneration. But nope. Lets make things unnecessarily complicated.
Yes to this 👆. There are so many possibilities to make it make sense in-universe other than "it just is".
I’m not keen on how the healing part of the regeneration was separated from the change.
In my mind, the change IS the healing part as the doctor’s body has to be transformed in order for him to be healed.
It happens in the End of Time where 10’s body heals first, then he goes on a farewell tour of his previous companions, and then he changes. It happened again with the 11th doctor being restored to being young, and then the change takes place.
It doesn’t make sense to me that he needs to change if the regeneration energy has already healed him and made him young again.
My understanding was that the process of healing happens BECAUSE every cell in his body is transformed into a brand new one.
It’s all fictional at the end of the day so it’s not a major problem for me.
The Doctor doesn't have unlimited regenerations until they open the watch as they were chameleon arched so time of the Doctor still makes sense, also the Timeless Child can still die if they are unable to regenerate in time just like the Doctor now
Hey, finally someone who understood what happened.
It was suggested in a few 12th Doctor stories that the Doctor was given unlimited regenerations in time of the Doctor.
@@alexbennett7018 Not unlimited, but indefinite. Not the same thing.
4:13 I feel like it needs a better explanation than just that though, since they have just so many abilities (moving while timey wimey stuff is happening, feeling fixed points in time, able to feel a light shimmer, reading a book in less than a second, regeneration, etc) it wouldn't really make sense to say "oh evolution"
Agreed. It was always something very special. I have the same problem with the Tardis now almost always getting to when and where the Doctor wants whereas, in my era - the glorious 70s - it regularly got to the wrong place and time. Those days seem to have gone.
I am pretty sure River Song explains how regeneration comes about. It is also hinted at in the Davis era with the Master & a few other places. Its implied that regeneration comes somewhat from the eye of Harmony & the untermpered skism. Basically the odd space time stuff that allows timelords to travel time non-linearly also gives them the ability to regenerate & they mastered the art of using this to give themselves it to a controlled amount however they are somewhat able to abuse it & I am sure a few corrupt politicians have abused this before or attempted to which is where the 5 doctors shows it.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the Timeless Child arc except that the Doctor is the Timeless Child. The Time Lords as a whole have almost always had a huge vanity issue, so them sciencing their way to a way to cheat death makes sense. Having them experiment on a living being that dropped out of the sky is an even better way to extenuate the theme of the Time Lords self preservation. Again, I just wish that the Timeless Child, wasn't the Doctor
imo/ at least my headcanon is that the toymaker + master's doings caused the 14th dr thing, also the biregen is because of the toymaker's play rules still being at play aanndd because of the salt too, which also caused the toymaker to be able to exist within the universe, also the salt changed the structure of the universe allowing myths like the biregeneration and the goblins. And maybe even the effect on reality/ the universal structure could go back kind of a bit? by also affecting on time's structure possibly at the same time (also slightly affecting the old face coming back with the other causes)
The Timeless Child could’ve been the Master. It would’ve made his reaction and revenge more deserved.
While Chibnall confirmed the Timeless Child to have been inspired by his own adoption, I can't help but think it also has something to do with the current cultural climate, where we're finding out about the atrocities our countries commit and how often our historical heroes are actually bad people. I think Chibnall wrote this into the show's lore as a way of keeping the show relevant to the times, although I'm sure we all would've preferred otherwise.
4:25 I have a correction to make (not to be all pretentious). I hear a lot of people saying that the doctor can now infinitely regenerate. This isn't true, it's shown in the show that the doctor got "Chameleon Arched" and is now a (biologically) convential time lord with a limited set of regenerations. I think the fact that not many people know this is a credit to chibnalls writing being sub-par and not putting enough emphasis on such an important fact. The only thing that has changed for the doctor is that they now have (somewhere in the TARDIS) a fob watch containing all their timeless-children-division-pre-hartnell memories and that fob watch also contains their ability to regenerate indefinitely. So really, nothing has changed about the doctors biology pre-timeless children or post-timeless children.
In the episode: A good man goes to war, Madame Vastra talks with the Doctor about regeneration, and it is mentioned that the Time Lords gained the ability to regenerate due to prolonged exposure to the time vortex. The whole timeless child arc completely throws that reasonable logic out of the window, which is extremely frustrating.
The obvious Doyle (as opposed to Watson) explanation for all of this timeline/regeneration nonsense lately is that Disney & The BBC Wants A Whoniverse and money talks. Everything has to be a "universe/franchise" now (thanks, MCU, and wasn't that a poisoned pill), despite the fact that most of those things are failures overall.
Doctor Who was a franchise before the MCU. By 2007 they had Doctor Who, The Sarah Jane Adventures, and Torchwood all running simultaneously.
Only Timelords can regenerate not All Gallifeyans
I just think that the secrets of the pre-Hartnell Doctors, the origins of regenerations, and the myths surrounding it should always be considered apocryphal. The truth about the Fugitive Doctor will always stay a mystery for me, and I think that makes her more interesting.
Without limitations, regeneration just becomes a tiresome gimmick. So I hope that a future showrunner reestablishes it's finite status again.
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I think the only thing justified was the new set of regens. The fakeouts have been a bit confusing on if it actually counts on the numbers. Im fine with possible previous doctors if it was done right but it wasnt might have worked better it wasnt the doctor. I also think the bigeneration was alright since it can possibly explain the watcher and curator. I guess if stuff was explained id be fine with it.
i get how the timeless child screws up the lore of the show, but honestly, i do not care. What has happened has happened and RTD is sorta using it for his own good here and there with some great lines and emotion from the doctors. I dont like the timeless child, but i dont care it exists. It can easily be explained away or fit into the lore with a simple explanation.
1. There is no more threat of permadeath
2. There is no solid assurance that the Doctor will be a UK man. God forbid an American plays the Doctor. Removing some consistent traits removes the attachment the audience has.
3. The new Doctor can't get their foot in if the old Doctor is running around. The audience should be given no choice but to accept the new Doctor.
4. While it's fun to see other Doctors, they should be locked as previous Doctors and not returning faces. This makes it bittersweet as the old Doctors will have to be written cleverly to fit the timeline in a wibbly wobbly story or not be brought back at all.
"There is no solid assurance that the Doctor will be a UK man" This is a good thing. The Doctor can be a man or woman and/or any ethnicity. That's fantastic!
I really hate how every regeneration since 2005 has been the same visually. Back in the classic series, every regeneration was memorable and distinct from the last.
As someone that grew up with new who, I used to be okay with the golden explosion like effect, but now I think that it’s gotten extremely dull and predictable. I do think that the golden explosion works for the ninth Doctor’s regeneration though, because he’s clearly burning away the time vortex from his body, thus the golden explosion.
But every regeneration after this, however, should’ve been more unique, and perhaps even related to the way that incarnation died.
What episode is this version of "The Shepherd's Boy" from?
it's the one from hell bent, but I tweaked the song making it deeper in tone etc 👍
@@SaammuelWho oh thanks so much for replying; I was instantly in love with that iteration of it. Do you have it anywhere in isolation?
I honestly really don't like the fact they brought the 10th Doctors face. The only reason they did was to go "Please come back to Doctor Who guys we brought back the one you like!" and it really hammers in the 10 being super vain. It also feels like RTD just feeling himself? I don't know it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I don't like it.
I am in no way a fan of the timeless child story, however the criticism that the doctor can now infinitely regenerate isn’t exactly true. It was originally the doctors ability however the timelords have spent centuries mastering it. they can force regeneration, direct regeneration, gift and take away regeneration, and time lords can choose to not regenerate. surely if all that is true the timelords can find a way to inhibit regeneration as well, even if it is innate ability
Regeneration was ruined by the Timeless Child. The Doctor now seems to have unlimited regenerations, and this makes things less threatening. The Doctor can't really be in any danger anymore because he'll just regenerate again. The series should have ended with Matt Smith's Doctor dying of old age.
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here's how you make the timeless child work. it's Susan. let me explain. 1stly Susan isn't her real name. like how john smith isn't the doctor's real name. At least it's not her Gallifrey name. it's her chameleon arch name. becuase susan is human. like how john smith was human. and she just thinks the doctor is her grandfather. she doesn't even know he is an alien. she just thinks they are humans from the future.
thats why "she" gives the tardis it's name. because she thinks her grandfather invented it to escape from their own time.
it's also why the doctor is willing to leave her with a human in the 22nd century.
I wish the Master was the Timeless Child instead
A better way to do timeless child (if it absolutely has to happen) was if it was the master instead, would've made sense to destroy galifrey over finding that stuff out
Every time something like this happens, I always think of String Theory, as well as Multiversal Theorem to calm me down. It also makes me realize that the TARDIS must've been going mad since Valeyard showed up. Imagine what this all has been doing.
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I think regeneration will go back to normal pace from now on. There cant be more than 1 bi-genration. Rtd wanted it for both the direction of the 15 dr and to make mult dr stories easlier and be able to let older dr's comeback easier. Every dr from tales of the tardis is a dr in a universe he bi-generatwd from. 7 dr saying in some timelines he regenerates and in some he keeps the same face makes sense now. I dont mind the bi generation in the giggle but agree regeneration should go back to normal.
If you want to drink a potion that makes you regenerate, try Hemlock.
i dont like that regenration just blows everything up
Bi-generation is absolutely ridiculous.
Agreed hopefully this will be fixed.
I think with NuWho regenerations they mucked around with it far too much and became too much focused on and as you said a gimmick if you go back to "Planet of the Spiders" it is simply said when a Time Lord's body wears out it regenerates and becomes new it's technically a healing factor an old body dies a new one is reborn they treat it like a superpower and it isn't regeneration energy wasn't even a thing until Matt Smith.
They should never had invented the "War" Doctor they should had stuck with the consistent numbering of the regenerations of the Doctor and now we have this "Fugitive" Doctor who now takes place before William Hartnell which is just disrespectful in my eyes considering it's been repeatingly said in both "The Three Doctors", "Mawdryn Undead" and "The Five Doctors" that the First Doctor is the original Doctor and there were no others before and the Morbius faces were Morbius they've really messed it up this is why they should not let a "fan" run the show they fanwank around too much.
I agree I can accept the Watcher because atleast that made more sense or the help of K'npol from "Planet of the Spiders" that was fine.
But going back to NuWho seriously if their going to regenerate the Doctor just regenerate him/her don't muck with it just let him regenerate I didn't like the Bi-generation I don't agree with it I don't support it I hope it doesn't become a regular thing otherwise that's just going to make it boring one of the best thing about regeneration was its the same person but different and the mysterious science behind it I like that but if they just split him then there is no consequence or drama also it did a dis-service to the new star Ncuti Gatwa he should have had the regeneration swap like everyone else.
No, the faces show in Brain of Morbius are the Doctor's faces.
The War Doctor is a great idea.
I think it was first ruined with the inclusion of the War Doctor. Regenerations were interesting as we got to see on actor / series lead pass the torch onto the next which is something no other franchise could ever do. Hurt (no offense to him as he's a legendary actor) being in between McGann and Eccleston ruined that touch for me. Moffat seemed to like stamping his name all over Doctor Who canon. The Timeless Child also didn't work. The Doctor having a unlimited regenerations including the pre-Hartnell incarnations reduces the threat of any situation entirely now.
The Time of the Doctor was a messy episode in general with many foes like the Cybermen, Weeping Angels and of course, the Daleks being reduced to minor threats. I've warmed up to the idea of Tennant being the 14th Doctor but the clothes changing don't make any sense and was never explained.
The Bi-generation concept has kind of warmed up to me though having 2 doctors out there is a little too much I guess.
"The Doctor having a unlimited regenerations including the pre-Hartnell incarnations reduces the threat of any situation entirely now." No it doesn't and regenerations were limited post-Hartnell anyway.
@@friendlyotaku9525 well the Doctor going into a situation knowing he/she has unlimited regenerations would make him take less care of his incarnations. However, I didn't know the Doctor still has limited regenerations. I thought all that was thrown out of the window. Are you definitely sure that he's got 9 regenerations left in his 2nd cycle?
@adisassy4579 well the amount of regenerations granted for this current cycle is unknown, that was left ambiguous
@@friendlyotaku9525 Indeed. Besides, it wasn't even once stated that the Timeless Child had unlimited regenerations to begin with. For all we know, the ability will fizzle out after a few dozen incarnations anyway.
@@adisassy4579 There are several points that people ignore, talking about Time Lords and regeneration; one of these is individuality.
Contrary to what many believe (and as clearly seen in the show, both Classic and New), Time Lords are not the same person in the course of their lives: every time they regenerate, one incarnation dies and another one pops out.
The new incarnation has the same memories of the previous one, and sometimes also their core believes (like the good samaritan attitude of the Doctor); but they are not at all the same person.
An individual is not just the amount of their memories. Same thing goes with the Time Lords.
They do not survive death: they die, and their body survive the process coming up with new features, personality traits and even moral values (sometimes rather different from the predecessors).
Even if you have unlimited regenerations, *you* still have to go. *You* won't be *you* anymore.
That's why it doesn't take away any risk: in order for your body to survive, you still have to die.
But I concur nonetheless with what someone else have said about the Timeless Child concept: the regeneration limit is artificial; that means the Doctor still has it, even if originally there was none.
God I hate nuwho.