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I'm interested in government of Dominate period od Roman empire and i tried to find were there any appointed offices aka provincial governors but i couldn't.. For how long Praetorian Prefect would stay in office/how long was his term? And were there appointed vicars or they were somehow semi-inherited? And will u make video about Late Roman /Early Easten Roman government structure&bureaucracy?
So just let me get this straight, Rome basically had full blown naval battles with numbers that would equate to the actual wars of smaller countries and tribes (2000 or 3000 combatants and 4000 or more rowers) just for fun? Man Rome was hardcore. And apparently I hadn't even watched the point where numbers truly went insane.
Feel like everyone always just mentions the naval battles off hand when talking about gladiatorial stuff then moves on to other things. Love getting more detail on it so cool!
Knowin how big naval battle re-enactments or normal gladiatorial fights were, the logistics for the supplies and the cost of sponsoring one is also interesting. I hope Invicta could make a video explaining it...
was? Better said still is. a large part of the water systems still work to this day. the fountains in Rome are still operated by the water that comes in to the city by the aqueducts
One day. I feel like people aren't caught up yet with how advanced or "cool" the past was. They think the ancients could cut rocks into nice shapes but anything else useful didn't show up til 1800 AD. It'd be hard to depict for a modern audience. It'd either be taken too far on some steampunk shit, or some sort of magical nonsense would be injected into it. Far easier to just crank out the 9th version of a superhero or action film franchise.
You know this shows that the Roman public where the ultimate pedentic historical critics. If they would reenact a historical battle they would not accept just a couple of extras. They would demand an entire fleet of extras
Imagine being a tiger, kidnapped from your home to fight to the death only to hear some Roman yell "flood the arena!" Right after you defeat a gladiator
The closest I can picture this is when I went to the '83 US Festival on Metal Day in Glen Helen Regional park that had a HUGE natural amphitheater. I was among the first 2000 people allowed in. About 12 hours later it was announced that over 300,000 people were there...With room to spare!.
Im curious if the warships used In games were equipped with artillery and ranged weapons since the crowd would be well within range even an accidental bolt from a scorpion could kill dozens of spectators
Makes it a wonder how they didn't spontaneously start a spartacus-like rebellion at least once at these events considering how there were thousands of armed slaves/gladiators fighting
@@jakobinobles3263 Said 'little rebellion' actually defeated legions of Roman veterans which is kinda nuts even if they didn't stand a chance against the full army. If you gave thousands of desperate war prisoners military-grade equipment then you've got to be prepared to have that turned against you if they decided to put aside their differences and actually work together to escape.
That one game with the emp sitting on an island with all the high ranking aristocrats surrounded by thousands of criminals sentenced to death was really tempting fate.
Well, the profesionals actually used to die of old age (mostly). "Cannon-fodder" gladiators like those of naumachiae though certainly had no problem with old age.
I can just picture a dude named Michahel Bayus pitching to Caesar games with real war ships, 6'000 gladiators and a buttload of FIRE! And Megane Vulpes. Of course.
Great video and really interesting topic. Rome never ceases to amaze me in all they do: literally recreating massive sea battles just for the spectacle is astounding.
@@sirBrouwer But thats no fun, tanks and such are cool but fighting up close with swords is just more fun then shooting at someone from 300 meters away and being bored to death the rest of the time... It's much more fun and exciting to have a big sword fight, see everyone fight around you, fight up nice and close and personal, and either you die having fun or you chop chop everyone up... satisfying :3
I remember How To Train Your Dragon book series covered mock naval battle in the coliseum. Hiccup were forced to join after got kidnapped. Forgot which book though.
I'd like to point out that the reason these never had fleets meant to represent Roman forces is that this would create the possibility of the Roman fleet LOSING. That would be very embarrassing for the Emperor, indeed.
*Now this what I want to see on the silver screen. How do you top the scene in **_Gladiator_** with the chariot skirmish on the floor of the Colosseum? With a sea battle on the floor of the Colosseum.*
The effort that went into building these arenas sounds a lot like some of the arenas for the Olympics we get today. Both Caesar's that falls into disrepair and Augustus' that becomes an important public area for years.
Travelling back in time for a day and attending one of these matches would easily be worth months of your life...say if you travelled back and then returned half a year older. I'd pay that price...in fact, I'd probably get hopelessly addicted to trading bits of my life for satisfying my utmost curiosities. So addicted that I'd probably end up dying in a few years at the age of 86, having visited every major historical event from the first time a human created fire to the destruction of The Library of Alexandria through to the inside of Hitler's bunker...There's no way you'd stop once you started.
I think some movie maker should try to put a naval gladiator battle into a movie about ancient Rome. It would be interesting to see how others would react to this.
The fluid engineering is very interesting. I liked the discussion on how they set up the dual-purpose colosseum with reserve cisterns so as not to drain the fluid network when it was time to fill up the water basin.
How deadly were gladiator matches? I've heard from alot of people saying it was 10% mortality but was that the case for all of them? It's one thing if it's in Rome but what about in the provinces? We're some areas more famous for their love of blood or were they all mostly the same?
the video perceiving this one will give you a idea about it. But in short they often tried to avoid killing there gladiators if they could. If only because training someone in to a good gladiatorial warrior was expensive. However they did know how to fight in such a way that the actual damage was minimal but did show blood. If it did happen more often it would not be the actual trained man but other convicted criminals that where ordered to fight to the death.
Actual "gladiators" were essentially the rock stars of their time. They did not fight to the death very often at all and when they did it was usually a huge deal and a big event so it's much more likely to happen in Rome than somewhere else. But there's a huge difference between a "gladiator" and everyone else who gets thrown into a colosseum. Most people fought to the death. The rockstars barely did and any deviance from that was a big event.
so basically between professional gladiators it was pretty low, and the medical techniques used on them when they were wounded (which was most often the case) were top notch, but they just sent slaves/POWs those would die a LOT more
Imagine how much it must have sucked to be short sighted back then. Everyone talking about the spectacle of a lifetime unfolding on the water and you can't see a darn thing.
10:08 I wonder how could guards on rafts force people in boats to fight? I'd imagine boats to fight the guards instead if they had nothing to lose anyway.
What I find fascinating is the way the Romans moved water. Granted lead is easier to work with than other metals at the time. But still great work! Really!
I played a text choose your own adventure game where you fight as a gladiator and one of the gladiators I met in the game was a sailor and there was an option to learn naval tactics from him. I didn't know why that was there but I learned all I could from about naval tactics, how many drum beats I needed to set for ramming speed or even to just keep up with other ships. Other gladiators thought I was being stupid for learning naval tactics when we were fighting in the coliseum. The next day the coliseum was suddenly filled with water and 3 boats for each team. I rammed 2 boats because I had learned that ramming speed was 16 drum beats
There was in the 15 hundreds a somewhat famous mock battle with Brazilian indigenous people, wich apparently shocked Europeans with their apparent brutality, since no one told the indigenous people they weren't actually supposed to kill people. Don't quote me though, my memory is a bit hazy on the subject.
Thank you for uploading this. Rome is one of my interests and this fleshes out gladiators as well as the facilities which were used for gladiator naval battles.
Up until a few years ago you could visit Treasure Island in Las Vegas & watch two full sized pirate ships battle it out on the water with cannons & all, probably about as close as we’ll ever get to seeing such a spectacle! Imagine being so powerful you can literally throw away thousands of war ships for entertainment, then you get conquered a short while later 🙄😬💪
Great video. I kept thinking of the Opening Ceremony of Athens 2004 in which they built an artificial lake. Your video showed the failed promises of that 2004 Olympic opening ceremony.
Saw a documentary about these once back before the History channel became the used to be about history channel. They said one of the largest ones opened up with a giant statue of posideon rising up from the waters and the statue rising blew a horn that started the battle.
I'd first heard of this about 10 years ago and what I read made it seem like a rumor that may or not be actually true. I always thought it sounded absolutely crazy and here to see that it was way more crazy then I had been led to believe. Truly wild stuff!
So I’m curious: when Dio mentions “Sea monsters” what did he mean? You showed dolphins but I’ve heard in a history class that they used crocodiles and hippos. Do you know any good source on what is meant by this?
sea creatures, horses trained to spend a lot of time in the water... I mean, POOR animals, that's just tragic and horrible. the video is amazing as usual!
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@Invicta I love the video!! But I would also love to see a video that goes into more detail about the gladiator fights that involve animals
Good work, guys. Btw speaking about Romans. Here I got some quotes about Slavs vs Roman Empire and some other peoples - watch?v=r0jLMDvsU4U
The Romans were horrible
I'm interested in government of Dominate period od Roman empire and i tried to find were there any appointed offices aka provincial governors but i couldn't.. For how long Praetorian Prefect would stay in office/how long was his term? And were there appointed vicars or they were somehow semi-inherited? And will u make video about Late Roman /Early Easten Roman government structure&bureaucracy?
Is it just me or does 7:30 seem like a Bow Chicka Bow-Wow scene?
So just let me get this straight, Rome basically had full blown naval battles with numbers that would equate to the actual wars of smaller countries and tribes (2000 or 3000 combatants and 4000 or more rowers) just for fun? Man Rome was hardcore.
And apparently I hadn't even watched the point where numbers truly went insane.
after Caesars triumph, games were held where 6000 men died in the arena
@@neutralfellow9736 Absolutely insane. Literal wars held for entertainment, all in their backyards. Phineas and Ferb would have been jealous.
The really big events did not happen too often. But yes. Put our quarter billion dollar movie projects in prospective.
@@Cythil this was more like liveshows though haha
@@neutralfellow9736 Yep. And only recorded in the tales of men that were there. So indeed the spectacle must have been pretty awe-inspiring.
Feel like everyone always just mentions the naval battles off hand when talking about gladiatorial stuff then moves on to other things. Love getting more detail on it so cool!
Diving into the material I was shocked at how much crazy history no one seems to have bothered to cover for some reason
So true
@@InvictaHistory Indeed. There is so much out there that is neglected to death.
Knowin how big naval battle re-enactments or normal gladiatorial fights were, the logistics for the supplies and the cost of sponsoring one is also interesting. I hope Invicta could make a video explaining it...
@@brianaguila6925 i smell a Wendover crossover. I mean that is logistics at the max.
Did they have aircraft's?
the pipeline systems within the cities by default were impressive, the one for the collosseum was insane
was? Better said still is. a large part of the water systems still work to this day. the fountains in Rome are still operated by the water that comes in to the city by the aqueducts
@@jakobinobles3263 and wasn't built in a day lol
The Aqueduc they built in Gard, France is still standing to this day, it's astounding. Look up "Pont du Gard"
@@sirBrouwer The Acqua Vergine
Using this type of a set in a movie would be so new that it would make that movie hard to forget. It'd be a selling point, at the very least.
Woke Joke Folk can't handle such Thing's nowadays
It's called Gladiator. Maximus the Merciful!
One day. I feel like people aren't caught up yet with how advanced or "cool" the past was. They think the ancients could cut rocks into nice shapes but anything else useful didn't show up til 1800 AD. It'd be hard to depict for a modern audience. It'd either be taken too far on some steampunk shit, or some sort of magical nonsense would be injected into it. Far easier to just crank out the 9th version of a superhero or action film franchise.
@@leggonarm9835 naumachia was not in gladiator
@@AutomatedPersonellUnit_3947 What the hell do you mean? I'm sure it'd be popular!
Invicta continuing to make videos addressing the questions that we often find ourselves wondering but never bother looking up an answer to.
You know this shows that the Roman public where the ultimate pedentic historical critics. If they would reenact a historical battle they would not accept just a couple of extras. They would demand an entire fleet of extras
Pedentic??? What's that?
Caveat Emptor
Its crazy how smart these mfs were but evil at the same time
@@Music1222 Pedantic means overly concerned with accuracy, precision. basically someone who obsesses over minor details. Spelled with an A not an E
@@Kurzxclan I know.
I used to think it was impressive when they filled our local local stadium with dirt and rocks for a monster truck show or a dirt bike race...
"these facilities were even shorter-lived than Nero"
Ouch.
Imagine being a tiger, kidnapped from your home to fight to the death only to hear some Roman yell "flood the arena!" Right after you defeat a gladiator
Roars, "For the glory of Rome!" Gets drowned mid charge.
Imagine that
Or a big fish or dolphin :)
Although, tigers can swim. So that could have been interesting.
@@Godzilla00X i’m sure the romans spoke of tales like this for years after each battle/performance..
The closest I can picture this is when I went to the '83 US Festival on Metal Day in Glen Helen Regional park that had a HUGE natural amphitheater. I was among the first 2000 people allowed in. About 12 hours later it was announced that over 300,000 people were there...With room to spare!.
Im curious if the warships used In games were equipped with artillery and ranged weapons since the crowd would be well within range even an accidental bolt from a scorpion could kill dozens of spectators
I always wondered the same thing with any sort of projectile weapon at the games
@@InvictaHistory It's like Nascar - the possibility involuntary audience participation was just a part of the alcohol-fueled fun ;)
Makes it a wonder how they didn't spontaneously start a spartacus-like rebellion at least once at these events considering how there were thousands of armed slaves/gladiators fighting
@@jakobinobles3263 Said 'little rebellion' actually defeated legions of Roman veterans which is kinda nuts even if they didn't stand a chance against the full army. If you gave thousands of desperate war prisoners military-grade equipment then you've got to be prepared to have that turned against you if they decided to put aside their differences and actually work together to escape.
That one game with the emp sitting on an island with all the high ranking aristocrats surrounded by thousands of criminals sentenced to death was really tempting fate.
I couldnt imagine what the colosseum after it was drained from a naval battle. All the corpses and ship parts left in the hole.
The Crocodiles cleaned that mess up before draining
I like how the History Channel described it: “Roman gladiators had many problems. Old age wasn’t one of them.”
Well, the profesionals actually used to die of old age (mostly).
"Cannon-fodder" gladiators like those of naumachiae though certainly had no problem with old age.
I can just picture a dude named Michahel Bayus pitching to Caesar games with real war ships, 6'000 gladiators and a buttload of FIRE! And Megane Vulpes. Of course.
I had no idea about this and I've always had a certain interest for Roman history, thanks!
Also, that's insane
They got a naval gladiator battle for the new Gladiator movie!
@@DistantLights yeah just came here from that also
So thankful for people who can consolidate knowledge and wisdom into videos like this.
Great video and really interesting topic. Rome never ceases to amaze me in all they do: literally recreating massive sea battles just for the spectacle is astounding.
It’d be awe-inspiring to see something like this attempted in modern day stadiums.
With Death Row Inmates
that is not really hard to do now. If you want to see warfare you can actually watch real warfare going on right now.
@@sirBrouwer But thats no fun, tanks and such are cool but fighting up close with swords is just more fun then shooting at someone from 300 meters away and being bored to death the rest of the time...
It's much more fun and exciting to have a big sword fight, see everyone fight around you, fight up nice and close and personal, and either you die having fun or you chop chop everyone up... satisfying :3
@@ukeyaoitrash2618 you have some very disturbing idea of fun. Bringing pain and suffering is not something i really enjoy.
@@sirBrouwer clearly you're in the minority, with how popular, combat sports and football is.
9:13 When you realise the gladiators could have teamed up , to make a bigger force and fight the army surrounding it .
I remember How To Train Your Dragon book series covered mock naval battle in the coliseum. Hiccup were forced to join after got kidnapped. Forgot which book though.
I'd like to point out that the reason these never had fleets meant to represent Roman forces is that this would create the possibility of the Roman fleet LOSING.
That would be very embarrassing for the Emperor, indeed.
*Now this what I want to see on the silver screen. How do you top the scene in **_Gladiator_** with the chariot skirmish on the floor of the Colosseum? With a sea battle on the floor of the Colosseum.*
The effort that went into building these arenas sounds a lot like some of the arenas for the Olympics we get today. Both Caesar's that falls into disrepair and Augustus' that becomes an important public area for years.
Travelling back in time for a day and attending one of these matches would easily be worth months of your life...say if you travelled back and then returned half a year older.
I'd pay that price...in fact, I'd probably get hopelessly addicted to trading bits of my life for satisfying my utmost curiosities. So addicted that I'd probably end up dying in a few years at the age of 86, having visited every major historical event from the first time a human created fire to the destruction of The Library of Alexandria through to the inside of Hitler's bunker...There's no way you'd stop once you started.
I'd also bring back some perfumes and colognes to trade for Roman coins, and small artifacts, and bring them home to 2022 in excellent condition
Don't forget the chlorine tablets.
Don't forget the chlorine tablets.
@@AutomatedPersonellUnit_3947 Oh yeah. There would be a million ways to become insanely rich if you could do this. Definitely 👍🏻
@@h.huffen-puff4105 I didn't. They're right next to my mammoth shotgun and shiny beads for the cave dwellers...
I think some movie maker should try to put a naval gladiator battle into a movie about ancient Rome. It would be interesting to see how others would react to this.
Just don't expect Hollyweird to make it.
@@kaizokujimbei143---Don't you mean Hollywood?
No he meant hollywierd, just a bunch of pedos that don't rat each other out
@@brokenbridge6316 gladiator 2 saw your comment
All the people watching naval battles at the colosseum were all a bunch of naval gazers
Well *sigh*
The fluid engineering is very interesting. I liked the discussion on how they set up the dual-purpose colosseum with reserve cisterns so as not to drain the fluid network when it was time to fill up the water basin.
Exactly what we need in this times.
Epic battles and Epic and educational video!
This was interesting. I see at least one epic movie with these kind of fights from Hollywood! +1
How deadly were gladiator matches? I've heard from alot of people saying it was 10% mortality but was that the case for all of them? It's one thing if it's in Rome but what about in the provinces? We're some areas more famous for their love of blood or were they all mostly the same?
Alot of People ? Did these People actually witness these Spectacles ? If so they're possibly Witches, Warlocks and Vampires
@@AutomatedPersonellUnit_3947 Historians
the video perceiving this one will give you a idea about it.
But in short they often tried to avoid killing there gladiators if they could.
If only because training someone in to a good gladiatorial warrior was expensive.
However they did know how to fight in such a way that the actual damage was minimal but did show blood.
If it did happen more often it would not be the actual trained man but other convicted criminals that where ordered to fight to the death.
Actual "gladiators" were essentially the rock stars of their time. They did not fight to the death very often at all and when they did it was usually a huge deal and a big event so it's much more likely to happen in Rome than somewhere else. But there's a huge difference between a "gladiator" and everyone else who gets thrown into a colosseum. Most people fought to the death. The rockstars barely did and any deviance from that was a big event.
so basically between professional gladiators it was pretty low, and the medical techniques used on them when they were wounded (which was most often the case) were top notch, but they just sent slaves/POWs those would die a LOT more
Yeeaah man! This is awesome! Thanks for covering this! Those battles must have been pretty impressive!! :D
The depiction of the naval battle in the movie Ben Hur was brief but very good. (41).
Good video 👍🏻 I enjoyed learning more information on ancient Rome
Under the Flavia dynasty they were able to "Build back better" sounds ominous
Why has no one else made any content regarding this before? Excellent work.
Personally love the idea, if I was on death row I'd want my shot at naval gladiator glory.
Imagine how much it must have sucked to be short sighted back then. Everyone talking about the spectacle of a lifetime unfolding on the water and you can't see a darn thing.
I'm soo glad I voted for you to do this! It's just amazing to think about filling and draining the coliseum at that time! Excellent vid!
10:08 I wonder how could guards on rafts force people in boats to fight? I'd imagine boats to fight the guards instead if they had nothing to lose anyway.
If I may Invicta I really like the songs that play in your videos,mind sharing the link so we the fans can also enjoy them in our private time
thanks for covering a fairly overlooked perspective on life in classical rome!
Writing a report for class about Staged Naval Battles. This definitely helped! (Especially since I have to present it)
Are there any archeological findings from these battles on the lac? Great videos BTW!!
Thanks for giving this a full video most treat this as a foot note for some reason...
Thank you for this detailed video.
Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job
I had no idea naval gladiator battles even existed, these vids always teach me something new!
What I find fascinating is the way the Romans moved water. Granted lead is easier to work with than other metals at the time. But still great work! Really!
This documentary has been truly fascinating! Just amazing!
I played a text choose your own adventure game where you fight as a gladiator and one of the gladiators I met in the game was a sailor and there was an option to learn naval tactics from him. I didn't know why that was there but I learned all I could from about naval tactics, how many drum beats I needed to set for ramming speed or even to just keep up with other ships. Other gladiators thought I was being stupid for learning naval tactics when we were fighting in the coliseum. The next day the coliseum was suddenly filled with water and 3 boats for each team. I rammed 2 boats because I had learned that ramming speed was 16 drum beats
I agree enjoy to hear details about these naval battles very interesting!
This always fascinated the hell out of me as a kid. Thank you so much 👍
That would have been something to see! ⚔⚔⚔
, they need to make a movie about these battles!
There was in the 15 hundreds a somewhat famous mock battle with Brazilian indigenous people, wich apparently shocked Europeans with their apparent brutality, since no one told the indigenous people they weren't actually supposed to kill people. Don't quote me though, my memory is a bit hazy on the subject.
Thank you for uploading this. Rome is one of my interests and this fleshes out gladiators as well as the facilities which were used for gladiator naval battles.
I've always wondered about this
Love the illustrations
Pulling this off was insane feat of engineering.
So excited for this one
Never knew they took the gladiators upon the waters. Thanks for the education.
Oh man I want to watch one!
Up until a few years ago you could visit Treasure Island in Las Vegas & watch two full sized pirate ships battle it out on the water with cannons & all, probably about as close as we’ll ever get to seeing such a spectacle! Imagine being so powerful you can literally throw away thousands of war ships for entertainment, then you get conquered a short while later 🙄😬💪
Great video. I kept thinking of the Opening Ceremony of Athens 2004 in which they built an artificial lake. Your video showed the failed promises of that 2004 Olympic opening ceremony.
Wonderful illustrations!
I can't believe that I've never heard of this, litrally the coolest shit ever
6:40 I'm surprised the V.I.Ps didn't feel trapped in the center of the man made lake.
That's interesting. We have heard often about that, but not seen a documentation.
2:33 6 finger andy here is freaking me out lol (the guy pointing)
Now that is the way to teach History!!!!!!!
Brilliant Video.
This realy is a crazy topic. Rome was sometimes even ahead of our time :)
Thank you for your work.
These battles are so unbelievable the production companies probably said no to the scripts because they sounds like fantasy! 😂
Cool Thank you.
6:14
You can still see where this lake was on Google Earth! It's full of buildings now, but the hole is still there!
@invicta wait, medieval mock naval battles?!? Please tell me more! This is fascinating
"Build Back Better than ever before"
Beautiful
When hollywood is actually underrating a historical aspect
Constantly dude constantly
Desmond Doss comes into mind.
I still cant get over the Romans discussing “gladiator metas” from ur last gladiator vid🤣
nice video
Saw a documentary about these once back before the History channel became the used to be about history channel. They said one of the largest ones opened up with a giant statue of posideon rising up from the waters and the statue rising blew a horn that started the battle.
I'd first heard of this about 10 years ago and what I read made it seem like a rumor that may or not be actually true. I always thought it sounded absolutely crazy and here to see that it was way more crazy then I had been led to believe. Truly wild stuff!
Amazing, super informative video!
So I’m curious: when Dio mentions “Sea monsters” what did he mean? You showed dolphins but I’ve heard in a history class that they used crocodiles and hippos. Do you know any good source on what is meant by this?
such a great video awesome work
sea creatures, horses trained to spend a lot of time in the water... I mean, POOR animals, that's just tragic and horrible. the video is amazing as usual!
8:01 which lake?
If ever there was a reason to have another gladiator type movie this use of water battles is one of them
How did they get all the ships into those landlocked bodies of water? Did they build the ships specifically for the events?
#2
take them upriver as close to the lakes as possible, then disembark them over the land with rollers and ropes and pulleys
Well, I wouldn’t mind seeing Olympic War-Games featuring Warship-on-Warship Paintball . . .
Great insides, thank you.
When you feel like Battleship doesn't satisfy you enough, so you take the levels of the board game *TO THE EXTREEEEEEMMMMMMEEEE!!!!!*
Thank You!!! This was so cool.
I would totally watch some “best naval gladiator highlights 2022” videos if they existed 😭
Hey Invicta, you should do a video on the Slave Rebellions.
13:12 this is the kind of "build back better" i could support.
No for real, Wondrous is amazing!!! The roman series is priceless.