Brothers' War EDH Set Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
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I like the name "Over the Top"! The trench warfare mentioned in the story for this set makes the name both a pun on it's effect, and a clever story card.
Beezy just doesn’t realise that is what it’s referring to. He thinks it just means it’s ‘over the top’
@@DanDares the people in charge of translating it into french didn't get it either. I saw on reddit that they just called it "exaggeration" lol
Calamity's wake actually looks pretty good as a counter spell. Either you stop someone else from comboing off with their graveyard, or you stop them from countering your combo with non creature spells.
This is what I was going to post, but I saw you already had. I think this card is by far better than they are making it out to be. It is a white counter spell, most of the time. The exiling graveyards seems more flavor text than the 2nd line.
I already preordered a single for this exact reason lol
Well you can’t do your combo either if it involves noncreature spells
I think the card is bonkers in white. Not only counter the spell but hose they’re whole strategy and stop the combo player dead in the tracks at least for the turn. Plus it still works like silence for defending your own combos if they are creature based like ballista or protean hulk lines
So I see Fleshgorger as at least a D. It's fantastic in specifically The Mimeoplasm, you exile it and any massive creature, and now your commander has ward of a huge life amount, and is a big beatstick. I'm super excited for it
I'm surprised you guys didnt talk about the psuedo silence ability on calamity's wake. I think thats the more power effect on the card.
100%. It's a second Silence for white for cEDH. Insanely powerful. Me thinks they've been playing in the powered down meta they've made too much.
Hmm.. for me, I wouldn't have a home for it, since I don't like that sort of effect, it is strong, but strong in the wrong way for me. It does replace itself which makes it quite potent
Well silence is one sided, so you can cast it on your own turn and then combo off. Calamity’s wake doesn’t have that option
@@morsdraconis There is no such thing as a powered down meta. You're either playing meta or you aren't.
I just really like this set, I think its really cool story-wise, and a lot of the creatures are cool looking
The fact that Artifact Offering gives the Blast-Furnace Hellkite flash is amazing, doubling the damage during an opponent combat step and setting up your own swing for next turn.
Did anyone notice that Artifact Offering gives flash?
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I like this set a lot for showing the differences between commander and 2 player formats like standard and modern and such, because Phyrexian Fleshgorger is probably going to be very good in something like Pioneer and Standard, but you two are completely right in saying that it's quite average (outside of very unique synergies) in commander.
Scholar of New Horizons lets you remove a counter from any permanent you control. That means ramping off Planeswalkers that can easily generate loyalty, it lets you abuse things like Undying/Persist, and it lets you constantly reset Sagas before they sac themselves, letting you repeat whatever Saga effect your deck wants most. I think it's way over a D, there's a ton of ways to make removing a counter from ANY permanent good.
I personally don't agree with a lot of their grades
I'm with Beezy on Loran of the Third Path. It's pretty much a strictly better Rec Sage. The card draw is actually really good, particularly if your deck is lacking there. The fact you can choose which opponent gets the card each time is really useful, and the political advantage is not to be underestimated! Also, vigilance isn't nothing - plenty of white decks want to be attacking and vigilance helps facilitate that, even allowing you to use the card draw in addition to it. Very good card for mid EDH imo!
Also it's a white card, a color that really wanted this effect on a creature because white is great at blinking. White got the 40k astartes creature that did the same with squad but was mana costed at 3W. this being 2W is better.
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A 3/3 lifelink/menace with ward: pay 3 life, for 1BB, that seems pretty good to me. The option to play it bigger for 7 is just an extra bonus. If you Animate Dead this card, it comes back at full size.
That's one of my favorite cards in the set.
I'm not saying it's the best card ever, but it's totally not an F.
(Sometimes I forget your lens is always filtered through Commander, but still...)
Pretty sure this guy does nothing but edh
Yes their evaluation is based on EDH only, still I think this card has preety good potential. The ammount of graveyard shenanigans there is with black and artifact recursion if you mix it up with red, makes it really annoying to get rid off. As the game drags out, a "permanent" Ward pay 7 life is just too punishing. But its normal, they tend to underevaluate most of the cards.
It's worth noting the might/weak stone can pay 2 of the meld cost. Only states it can't be used to cast nonartifact spells. So it can be used on activated abilities.
Yeah if you have both cards you can activate turn 5 on curve!
I think calamitys wake is fine, but in mono white decks for cedh, it seems like another silence for spell slinger decks. It isnt as effective, but having a second silence aint a bad idea
Just something that I think makes fleshgorger/other protype cards more interesting: if you blink or flicker them, they're going to come back as their big boy versions. Definitely niche, but seems like a fun thing to do, and I'm definitely gonna try to do something janky with them.
Think Wreck Hunter should've gotten mentioned. It's no dockside(thank goodness) but it's cheap and can easily make tons of powerstones. In decks like Geth, Lord of the Vault or even the new Gix it can really pull its weight.
Wondrous Crucible also looks decent in decks like Daretti.
In fact, there are a number of decent niche cards introduced in this set.
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Legions to the ashes is a combination of vindicate and maelstrom pulse, which can blow up a bunch of tokens. Token permanent copies was worded because of the multiplayer aspect to not destroy all
sol rings for example.
Misery's Shadow probably has that second ability as a callback to Frozen Shade from the original set.
I feel like Titania was designed to be in my Soul of Windgrace deck. It's so perfect.
I'm so glad Beezy made an obscure Saw reference, I don't know anyone who had seen more than a couple of them
Terisian Mindbreaker seems like it could work not only in Brudivac stlye mill decks but also in self-mill decks. Kess, Sedris, Muldrotha, Mimeoplasm, Sidisi and friends could all appreciate to mill half their deck. Not only that, but if you are already milling yourself, you are more likely to hit the 4 mana unearth cost.
56:00 Tawnos spent 5 years in the stasis coffin during and after the sylex blast.
Loran's Escape? Probably a Feather only card but it feels quite powerful for the deck.
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This set kind of has some nice new options for my Human Tribal deck.
Not to mention the new cmc6 Titania is going to be competing with Greensleeves for Commander status in the mono green deck I'm building.
I think you need to flash in the Disciple of Caleus Nin and then sacrifice it immediately.
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'Over the top' is a fine name. Comes from trench warfare, attacking means going up over the lip of the trench - very dangerous.
I think Urza’s sylex is kinda a bootleggers stash situation where it looks scary in theory, but it has too much holding it back. It’s 7 mana yo activate in your turn, and can only be done at sorcery speed which means you have to activate it on your turn.
Against specifically ramp decks, I think it’s much closer to like a B and against everything else a C-. Many decks can function fine with 6 lands
10:30 Imagine someone about to get hit for 10000 combat damage and they use Teferi’s Protection and then go take a bathroom break, only to return to the game to see Disciple of Caelus Nin on the battlefield. Would be so hilarious to see!
I feel like Gixian puppeteer would be good in something like a Braids Arisen nightmare deck. Braids draws loads of cards and when you want more fodder or don't need the additional damage you can just sac it to braids and get a different creature back
Beezy saying okay when joe was reading off sebali was really funny
Blast-Furnace Hellkite has one of my favorite arts in recent sets, looks so cool
Card is good and cool looking!
I have an interesting idea for Disciple of Caelus Nin; in decks that flicker until the next end step using cards like astral drift you can flicker it out during the end step before your turn, your permanents come back during your turn, Disciple of Caelus Nin will come back during your end step and everyone else will have to deal with it during their turns. I might give it a try in my Gavi, Nest Warden deck just to see how it plays out. feel free to lmk if I am wrong about any of this. it just popped into my head right now.
I really like this idea great with cards like Eerie Interlude!
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Urza’s workshop; in a coloured deck, F. In a colourless deck AND with the other urza lands, A.
Bare minimum, in a colourless deck, it’s a basic waste. However, it’s a basic waste with good potential upside. I wouldn’t build around the urza land stuff, but I’d always look forward to it.
Fun fact, because Mishra, claimed by gix doesn't specify attacking creatures YOU control, if some other opponent controls a party crasher and attack with it on your turn, then boom! Another free drain. You'll never actually see it happen, but it's something that could occur
What do y’all think about bushwhack? I ordered like 4 of them bc it is either prey upon or the equivalent of a tapped land for turn
To be fair, mishra eminent one is a good deck for stasis coffin. No dying until someone removes mishra or the coffin is pretty solid way to stay alive late game.
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I think you misevaluated Mishra, Claimed By Gix. You were too busy thinking of melding them to just look at Claimed By Gix himself, and not think about melding them. He doesn't even need to attack himself in order to get the drain trigger. Been proxying a deck of him and he's beast as hell.
A lot of goooood brudiclad stuff here!
Ramp decks gonna ramp. You pop Urza's Sylex and the ramp deck will recover faster leaving you with only 6.
Heh, that teferi is going in my Locust God deck. Seems good.
Hmm, Artifact Offering gives it flash too. that hellkite is brutal.
Hexavus seems sweet with Alesha, swing, pay 2 return 6/6 hexavus swinging and maybe pay 1 to make Alesha fly.
Legions to Ashes also gets rid of most copy tokens as they mostly share the same name as the target creature.
Scavenged Brawler is 100% going in my Skullbriar deck, holy hell. Maybe that Hexavus too
The powerstone cards in green makes me want to put jaheira in those decks to make them tap for green
There are 3 ways to built Kykar: control (expensive), Polymorph (medium cost), Anthem (budget) and as I play budget I can include Tocasia's welcome (also works in my Arcades deck for cheap walls) and into the trenches (to Replace glorious) ...
Multiple cards came out that could help in a Lathiel deck, hard to choose...
Liberator will give Flash to my Kadena morphs, and I'll also replace the Shimmer in my Osgir deck (maybe even include the Phyrexian Portal too)...
Ps: Sick and tired of Green getting everything again... the best color in commander for how easy it is to use
Cityscape Leveler seems cool for my Osgir deck. It's Artifact Creatures and Oswald doesn't have an amazing 8 drop to get off of Myr Battlesphere.
Also Liberator goes in Kadena decks for Flash redundancy and you can replace one of the symmetrical effects.
Both seem like great fits for those decks!
Loran is incredible, rec sage with vigilance and political card draw on backup? yeah it's really good
Agree, card is excellent!
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I'm with BZ on Loran of the Third Path. You give yourself and the worst opponent at the table a free card. Basically just a free card!
Brotherhoods end is amazing it’s crazy how much it cleans the bored
It might be solid, it is a versatile Slagstorm effect
Interesting thing to note is that Rootpath Purifier also sort of protects your non basic lands for effects that destroy non basic lands, which could really end up mattering in land based decks
Shout out to Beezy repping for Loran of the Third Path, I think that's at least a high B considering the color identity + text.
Loren is great. Cherries is missing the point that white has more blink options than green. Better recursion. I think there are more synergies with her. Plus drawing a card randomly when someone is about to die is funny.
Tocasia's Welcome is nearly Welcoming Vampire on an enchantment. Also i think I'm higher on Gix's command. I like that it bails you out of lethal threats of either/both extremes-opponent infinitely wide weenie tokens or a voltron/massive creature that can lethal you. The other two modes I'm sure can also keep it from being dead in the decks that want it.
and for my next comment....'ll try Gix puppeteer in Sygg River cuthroat that's gonna trigger that basically every turn + runs a lot of dorks/bears. Over the Top seems good in Faldhorn/prosper esp with that new outpost Seige card.
Cityscape Leveller is going in my henzie deck - checks way too many boxes theme-wise. Portal to Phyrexia reminds me too much of Debtors' Knell - its only saving grace is being able to cheat it out more easily.
Portal to Phyrexia with Osgir or Daretti sounds like a great match.
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Terisiare's Devastation might be better then it sounds but still a D.
Terisiare's Devastation is like a Toxic Deluge in which it's a board wipe using -1/-1 but for 1 extra mana and if you have a lot of treasure tokens.
You don't have to pay the x and get powerstone tokens unless you want to.
21:47 i was going say you can Ultimate instantly if you wheel and your commander Nizzet mizzet
Think you guys will find you activate Loran every turn once you see it action. You and a single opponent of upur choice drawing a cards is almost always worth it. Even better its a 2/1 vigilance, so if anyone has no blockers it’s getting chip damage in while using the ability
Gixian Puppeteer and Gix Command will def go into my sheoldred deck.
My biggest complaint with the set is that bladecoil serpent isn't legendary. I don't know if they were worried about the commander tax "not mattering" or something like that, but it feels like a huge missed opportunity, and I might build that deck anyway.
I agree with beezy in the urza's thing. Like it's 0 opportunity cost to run it with some a possible upside later on.
I have seen a Brago Living Weapon -Tribal Deck. It uses Anthems to keep their Germs alive and Blink the weapons to create more germ tokens. So Trenches could be okay in this very Niche deck
As soon as I saw Rootpath Purifier I thought of all the times I got shutdown by Back to Basics. Would it actually counter Back to Basics? If it did, that's pretty sweet.
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Despite your grade that Teferi goes into my Atraxa Superfriends straight away. +1 for draw is crazy strong especially with his little brother from M21 on the board🙂
Just realized now that Sarinth Greatwurm or whatever is absolutely bonkers in exactly Svella Ice Shaper. Tailor made for that deck holy Moses
I a, interested to see how the card plays
funfact, rootpath purifyer + myriad landscape can get you gates
Are you sure the phasing is normal for disciple of caelus nin? It does say permanents can't phase in. I would assume that means once they phase out they don't phase back in until the creature is removed. I could be wrong, but that just means that either this card is either really good or it's hot garbage.
4:50 Choose one? or choose three!
I’m still not convinced about Field of the Dead, it requires too many lands to be relevant by the time you win. I know it’s not the topic but you bring it up often.
I’m actually really down on Visions in impulse draw decks. Because unlike Valakut Exploration it doesn’t give a side benefit/reward if you didn’t manage to play the card it hits. It does it if you played no cards from exile so if you get a powerstone from it that means you had a bad turn and a single bad mana rock isn’t a good consolation
Visions either want to be in a deck with a good payoff for impulse drawing, as just another way to impulse draw, or it wants to be in a deck that wants a powerstone every turn, and sometimes gets a good card instead.
It's a really interesting design that way.
in the trenches is going in my vampire tribal in historical arena. And Awaken the Woods with a scute swarm late game.. *shivers* That's so much math. And I know if I ever pulled it off the next spell cast after the math would be a board wipe.
Titania seems like the best meld card by far amongst them. The barrier of entry is so small, Tatiana is a fairly strong card pre-meld, substituting the land into your deck is whatever, and it seems like an obvious inclusion in any landfall deck (where lands are constantly going into the graveyard anyways).
I also think you all are sleeping on Myrel, Shield of Argive. That card is nuts in a token deck, if even a decent chunk of your tokens are soldiers (and they probably are in a white deck). It's 2 crazy strong effects, on a creature with decent power/toughness, and the effect is on attacks (and not combat damage).
Not many tokens are soldier though and she takes so long to get going by herself
@@NitpickingNerds Normally these would be two separate strong effects, and in that sense I would agree the soldier-specific ability is just too niche. But similarly to putting an average/niche ability on a land makes it strong, adding that ability on a card that's already a Grand Abolisher at a minimum is super strong, IMO. I'd be putting this in a Jetmir deck with a number of soldier-token generators. Even though Grand Abolisher is lower cmc, the versatility makes this a no brainer for me (and the fact that her base stats aren't like 1/2 or something awful for 4cmc).
Urza's Workshop in Orvar, the All-Form is super good
I already proxied Gixian Puppeteer for my Kamiz and Braids decks and played both of them the other day. I only drew it once in my Kamiz deck and twice in my Braids deck, so take this for what it's worth, but it performed pretty well. I might even reach and try it in my Greven deck to help mitigate some of the life loss. A lot of the high power/low toughness creatures I want to be sacrificing are 3 mana. I'm sure there are more decks it goes in than you would expect. It might even be the card I'm most excited for in this set. 😂
Seems really awesome in Braids!!
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46:50 Legions to Ashes can hit Scute Swarm and its tokens, yes?
I think people say myrel thought of grand abolisher mixed najella and instantly got hyped.
Beezy the over the top refers to trench warfare, not off the top of library
Caelus Nin is going to be a menace in Winota decks.
I laughed so hard at the ? Over the liches mirror
Love the work! At 4:51 for the melded Mishra you said choose one when it is choose three! 🙌
Beezy can't read sorry lol :P
@@NitpickingNerds Beezy can be forgiven cause it's a paperback novel on a card 😵💫
The Legions to Ashes card would be better against tokens. Just cast it on one scute swarm and they're all gone. Take out all of somebody's treasure hoard.
With respect to Caelus Nin, couldn't you simply not choose her as one of your permanents and then she phases out as she ETB and then never phases back in?
Edit: nope, just read the card.
Legions to Ashes counters the spell that makes dryad tokens! that means it has to be just as good, it's math.
loran is just so good, drawing on tap on a 3 cmc white rec sage (with vigilance!) and getting favors in return is SO relevant!
I am interested to see how this card plays! i am very open to being wrong!
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I don't really like platoon dispenser: you're paying 5 mana, how many turns does it have to sit there drawing before it pays for itself? way too many, IMO. And if it dies you can pay 4 mana to draw one? it just seems really underwhelming
I'm most excited for the battle thopter to go in my zabaz deck
"Until we DIE!!" well, that got dark really fast... long live the NN
Also, is it just me or wizards is trying to insert poker level bluffing into the game?? There's been a ton of cards that creates 2 piles of cards, one face down and the other face up, and an opponent chooses the pile... seems like un-magicky to me...
47:17 I guess "Legions of the Ashes" is referring to the corner cases where your opponents are playing "Helm of the host" or a "Myriim" (Dragon tribal) deck
No. It's for wasting token decks. Tokens ARE permanents. The Nerds missed that. Legion will destroy every token with the same name.
Card draw on Loran of the Third Path is definitely better than being evaluated here. If you and an opponent draws a card, it's a big upside, and don't forget the politicking options this provides. Easily a B
I am could totally be wrong and am open to that. I will be play testing it a lot!
@@NitpickingNerds cool, it will be interesting to see the final verdict. Of course, I might as well be wrong, but at least I believe this card is quite strong!