Shashi Tharoor vs Ram Madhav Face Off Over Idea Of New India, Free Speech, Dissent | Conclave South
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- Congress Member of Parliament Shashi Tharoor locked in intense debate with Former BJP National General Secretary Ram Madhav at India Today Conclave South in the session 'Poll Plank: Politics of Appeasement vs Politics of Polarisation'.
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Ram Madhav "Many in Congress wants Shashi Tharoor to be the National President but many in My party wants Rahul Gandhi to continue as President"... I hope Rahul Gandhi had listened to this debate...
Hello rahul square nonsense.
Long live Rahul. Long rule BJP
Tharur sir is 1000 time better than rahul ji
BJP बंगाल मे राहुल गांधी की राह देख रही है। जैसे ही वो आये BJP को ज्यादा प्रचार करने की जरुरत नही रहेगी
@@prakashbhat8614 lol
Rahul Kanwal is like the lab assistant in colleges. Cant catch up either with the professors or with the intelligent students but still want to speak something 😂😂
You nailed it brother.
Ha..ha..😊👍
Salute!
Hahaha
Salute
Tharur did not expected that RAM had read those 3000 pages 😂😂
You are right. I am impress by the capabilities of Ram
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😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tell this fool Ram mahav to shut up
@ Sashi tharoor: get some new arguements. Who killed susanda?
Ram and shashi sir to rahul be like: we will debate ourselves, "you go there and make a team on dream 11".😂
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@@agentwizardo1129 ppp
Pipp
Nice debat. the concept of federalism is taught to BJP well a a defence mechanism. But in Tamilnadu BJP people got irked when they hear the world federalism.
Rahul is an insult to journalism anyways
Rahul kanwal is like the customer care guy from airtel who is dealing with highly technical engineers.
LMFAAOO !!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TheRenzer9 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Rahul Kanwal seemed like a courier boy for the BJP... his Job was not to take either sides but ask sensible questions... he completely inclined to one side... No words for these people who pinpoint on others competency without looking into theirs....
Politician are politicians
@@seanmovie9077 he just memorized some questions and threw away. He barely understood what they are talking about.
The debate was very vibrant, Unfortunately we don't see this in the parliament and normal prime time debates....🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Most of the leaders there are illiterate. Not like Shashi Tharoor and Madhav.
@Mahesh Sabharwal can u please tell me which versus u r taking about. can u pl mention 26 versus
@@realauthentic9713 Google it u will get it
Prime time debate is not debate..its circus !
@Mahesh Sabharwal This is reality of India.....
Peaceful community...is still leaving in Mughal Era 😤😤😤😤
Tamil Culture Is Alive Because of Hinduism
Tamil culture nothing to deal with Hinduism. Don't blabber.
That us why a Dravida nation must be carved out.
@@user-fb8gq9by5w If hindus werent fightingin the north then your sisters, wife, daughters would have been sold in their harems by ISIS. anyway. Tamil is one of Hindu cultures because it the tamil languages was given by Mahadev, Panini and Agastya Muni according to tamil sources. and they were also giving and shaping other non-Tamil cultures of Bharat India Hindustan.
BJP Govt Can guarantee freedom of speech but can't guarantee what happens after the speech.
- Tharoor 😂 True that
@True Indian Respect , I didn't knew about that.
That is true world over. Freedom of expression is not free of consequences. As an example, making death threats against someone is covered by free speech but that speech can be used against you in a court of law to hold you accountable or prevent you from acting on your speech. Tharoor is welcome to his opinion but it is one for a fantasy world of pseudo-intellectuals
@True Indian never denied that though Tharoor does have a similar mindset. Regardless, I was just making a point on the comment itself. Who made the comment, I couldn’t care less
There was no freedom of speech ever, even the constitution does not guarantee it. Also congress government was the biggest offender of freedom of speech in india.
@@nirmitkadakia6812 What you are saying is completely illogical and gobbledygook cause death threat doesn't come under freedom of speech there are exceptions ,kindly think before even putting such an comment.
Nice debate. You two have set the standards for a decent debate here respecting each other. Great personalities both of you. Hope you guys raise to lead the country one day.
@Mahesh Sabharwal Tharoor is Hindu ?
@@chillwidnil what is wrong with the safronization of India. It was safronized India, that accommodated “all”.
@Mahesh Sabharwal India is a secular country only because Hindus are in majority
@@rohitkambli2007 that has to be the dumbest thing I heard
@Mahesh Sabharwal you mean united against a government bootlicker who's hated by his own Shia people?....then yes we're against him.
I want Tharoor vs swamy
I bet tharoor won't come.
Tharoor will say : another day.
@@WheelOfThought Swamy in his life has given many stupid statements, and so has Tharoor....
They both are indeed very knowledgeful people. Their opinions differ, for sure but it would be great.
You are just being ignorant saying that. Just being you supportive of a side, doesn't diminishes other.
@@HiranyaGarbh. Read above
@Rahul Pareek I don't think having information and expressing it articulately in a particular language means knowledge at all. You are being presumptuous about my ignorance thinking I have no understanding and labeling me as supporter of one of the two. Truth is I have nowhere shown my ideological bias but just expressed my view that too with a degree of suspicion saying "I bet". Swamy is very direct with his language and I felt Tharoor can't take him on neither in terms of savagery nor in terms of dealing with wide range of subjects that Swamy can deal with in a one to one debate.
And in Kerala, in` Sadhya' the feast served in long banana leaves, the different curries with different textures and will mix each other which makes the authentic taste without any particular bowls.. Yes.. We are One💥
His competency shows that he’s very much capable even for PM of this Country@Sashi Tharoor. The best politicians of the century from India.
@@anotheraccount9917 😂😂😂
@shrey jauhari I’m considering him that he’s the most capable politician ever in India considering his competency and vast experience in every field unlike our PM Modi. I know no one can deny this fact!
@shrey jauhari please concede! I declare that from present politician all over India no one can matchup with Shashi Tharoor. Mismatch of quality and Education level. In simple term not even one from any political parties or background can debate Shashi Tharoor!
@shrey jauhari kejriwal is a much better politician than most BJP ones including Modi. if you don't understand need for educated politics please look at the nonsense statements made by people by Pragya thakur!
@shrey jauhari this is genuine question, I mean no offense, but what has kejriwal done that is so bad? Please tell me so I can form a correct opinion, because I have seen many people criticise kejriwal recently
The anchor was most useful when he kept his mouthshut!
Lmao true
At first I was wondering why you said what you said, then I watched the whole video and I couldn't agree with you more. The standard of the debate was very high, till the anchor decided to open his mouth.
He wishes to appear wise among those who have an experience twice his age..
Andhbhakti has no limits
The BJP'S spokesperson does not know the date on which Emergency was proclaimed by Late Indira Gandhi on 25/06/1975 midnight
I m fed up of India Today discussing the idea of India in every goddamn conclave...
They do these conclaves only to raise their downgoing TRP's
@@shashank1732 agree
- Is named 'India Today'
- REEEEEEEEEE WHY ARE YOU DISCUSSING ENDIA NOOOOOO
Because India Today is funded by foreign forces.
@@level8695 when leaders of such high stature is present... Why bother asking about idea of India? Why dont discuss jobs... And unemployment...
The Variety of Tharoor's expressions. God!
Ayo you kinda gay bruh
BIG SHOW-OFF.....Tharoor
Alas! You fell for shiny things.
Two deserving persons sidelined by their respective parties, wish that get better opportunities...
True said sir, i completely agree with you
Ram Madhav is sidelined by BJP! He is the leading member of BJP's second line.
@@user-yh2vm2ti3c what is the obsession with english language . does english language qualify a person to be a good politician or does a person who speaks english fluently is less corrupt and talking of nirmala sitaraman she is an economist .she has masters of art degree in economics and Mphil from jnu. better research and then talk about people credentials.
Great open debate and discussion.This is what India should be. Hats off to Ram and Shashi. Hopefully they can lead their parties soon for better India.
It's a very good attempt to organize an open debate on swamu vivekananda's ideas. We hope that more such discussions will be held and the ideas will also find ways to be implemented. Thanks to all the participants..
V. Seshu VIHE
Are they?
There's great scope for Ram Madhv but I don't think Sashi tharoor would get same opportunity as long as he's in a dynastic party like INC.
@@King_ofNight even Ram Madhav also will not get the opportunity.. Our fate is some one uneducated and Chaywala to lead the country.. Current leaders will not allow educated and Visioneries to come to top.. That’s Indian Politics now
@@KTKurien
I am asking you two questions
1) what do you mean by educated..? Can you define education..?
Note : Before answering you must remember every thing is relative in this universe...
2). Have our constitution defined anywhere in the sections and clauses, that a chaiwala can't be a political leader as well as a
prime minister..?
Note - Before answering you must remember the voters of India twice elected a bar dancer similarly the said chaiwala has been elected by the voters through the very same constructional way. Then why have you such objection upon his prime ministership..?
But you are here enjoying and having no objection while listening fuckative interview of a characterless politician and a murderer of his wife, that is shashi tharur.. Is it your education..?
The anchor was totally a misfit between these two sensible persons.
he spoiled it big time.
I think he is great
@@ssiyyar if he leads congress, there will soon be revolution in the party and there will once again be competition.
Lol
What? He seemed quite sensible and was able to tie the conversation exactly like a good anchor should. At least he is not like that loud guy you have in TV (forget his name)..
@@rohitkurup6191 you are right. but there,the panellists will also be of similiar standards.
here,the anchor had zero role till the middle,and he the spend rest of the time by attacking tharoor,thus spoiling the flow of debate.
Proud of KERALA 🔥🔥
Proud and Pride💥💥💥
Proud of andhra king ram madhav
@@indian6611 😂😂 ass how became king
@@wewillraise6669 he is main leader of rss and bjp
@@indian6611 he is leader for you only, if a bunch of donkeys are there and they bring a leader from that bunch of donkies what people will say tbat donkey will be most idiot in their enitre group thats it
Shashi is the most logical person I know in this era..
He is a constitutionalist and he should face off mr. Swamy ji.
Indeed.. He is.
Just most read
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Damn
The Thali and the Khichdi analogy is highly underrated
How?! Both are "food" items just like Hindu or Muslims are "Humans" which is also your User ID. Which Analogy?! Don't judge a book by it's cover or more trendy...Can you judge a person is beautiful or well mannered by the way of his/her "clothing". Thali or Khichdi is just aesthetic/ appearance...You can also serve khichdi in Thali. Eg: Water is more than only H2 & O2, Same goes for Air and all other day to day things.
@@divyasingh5129 Dude it was all symbolic and you took it off wind
Sashi Tharoor said that acc. to him India is like a Thali where different separate dishes serve their own taste and purpose but finally the give one taste - the taste of Nation and Mohan Bhagwat said its a Khichdi where everything is mixed up already and there is no difference ...... What they are telling is the same thing but what Sashi ji says is that India as a nation should be representative of all cultures and what Mohan Bhagwat Ji said is the khichdi is the one single ideology which is symbolic to Hindu Rasthra and all other cultures are in there though
@@user-ry5eb8ti9v Yes agreed.
@@divyasingh5129 i
@@user-ry5eb8ti9v 1) the analogy is very complicated and not fully feasible considering its subject matter which is a country's people, because we are talking of a country & its people and now, when shashi ji gave "diff. taste of diff. dishes" concept.. it's apparently not very much applicable to subject matter because this group of people are not that much rigid & separate blocks.. and people & society are very fluid concepts.. So, Each so-called separate group is constantly interplaying, interacting & interrelating with every other consistently.
2) Even if we are going to take this analogy.. then after considering above points.. the "Khichdi" concept of Mohan ji will preside over that "diff. dishes" concept.. because even in "Khichdi" of a so-called group of people.. there will always be individuality of & different tastes of "Pulses, Rice, Potato pieces & Other Spices" in a plate of Khichdi. In actuality, this "Khichdi" will serve as a better analogy because it is all-inclusive alongwith is Fluid, interactive & interrelated and (Bonus point →) these concept has more space to add in itself concepts like fraternity..
And obviously.. this "Indian Khichdi" is going to & bound to be Different from the "Khichdis" of West, Middle East & Other Asian & world societies.. i hope u got it..
PS :- if you are to write 'Shashi ji'.. you should also give equal respect to Mohan ji and write 'Mohan Ji'
Rahul Kanwal be like- Main yahan kya kar raha hun??? :-D
😂
He is getting paid for sitting there !
everytime he intervened is like 'what a loss India today?"
Who has time to waste watching fake news media channels ✌️
When Sashi tharoor started talking I forgot that it's a debate. That he was giving some lecture on +++
That's he's power 🤗
That is his trickery :appear to agree !
Yes. Dr. Abdul Kalam was nominated, most deserving & motivating. However, so was Dr. Zahir Hussain, Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Giani Zail Singh. Each of these Hon. Presidents of our Republic made us equally proud.
How??
"I can guarantee freedom of speech but can't guarantee freedom after speech"😂
That was said by idi amin. He is a known killer of his own people. Freedom was a joke. Watch the movie the last king of Scotland.
I think he was talking about the scenario about bengal where bjp workers are killed for chanting jai shree ram🥲😅
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
This is what happened happened in France . Prof exercised his freedom of speech and afterwards he got killed.😂😂
@gladnit242 It applies to mullah mindset...
Who starts reading comments when rahul kanwal starts talking?
Me too!
hahaha .. i came here when he opened his mouth
😂😂😂
Auto correct for chutia leaders/ ppl who talk shit anyways and require to convey their
Scams to public please to cover their bs so we work o/n please clear how we register and claim bs for alcohol
@@allenviegas739 allen you're too technical for a newbie like me,
So please can you elaborate?
Btw m just 16.
Damn you got me
I m a proud hindu ,but don't agree with Ram..love his thoughts on hinduism but it is only in theory and it is so surreal to achieve in reality.
When it comes to our home , it has taken a different forms.Even Gandhi has been stripped and attacked in BJP regime.
We want more good leadership like him and Shashi
You do know that Gandhi family is just an extension of the British and now India has got complete independence ? You don’t usually make wars by bombs in 20th century, what you do is change demographics and make elections your way and occupy.
Well replied by Dr.Shashi Tharoor
Just amazing, just amazing
After a long long long time I have seen a very healthy and well mannered debate
Well done Mr tharoor and Mr ram
They are from Kerala, where you'll not see blind gobar bhakt and rss goons
@@pingwinoff5442 Ram Madhav is from Andhra.
@@pingwinoff5442 Corona cases are skyrocketing in kerala.This is the kerala model the left wing media were peddling for the last few months.
@@MrYsureshkumar this is why he talk like shit? He raised in rss and gobar bhakt ideology, and rss they have hidden agendas and they talk shit like nothing else but fake and lies a lot
@@akshaymattoo4456 uou should join them they don't know how to cash Corona in politics like bjp and rss.
First time shashi tharor faced true and honest person like ram madhav great debate by two very educated persons
Nupur Sharma was underground but Rahmani is free….. End of the day that is the reality of the country
Can't believe Angle DiMaria can speak so better English and also hosts a position as a journalist
Angel di Maria Post retiremnt. 😄
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best comment bro :D
This is called politics .everyone knows everything yet couldn't agree
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True. They will lose their followers if there is no divide based on views among people.
@Mahesh Sabharwal So true ma... we don't have any unity and that should scare us! I mean unbelievable naive Hindus of India ready to lose everything!
@Mahesh Sabharwal its ur radical mindset which view everything in a negative way.. No verse in Quran is anti anyone , Quran has a context and a chronology.
@@syedsifaanawaiz8519 I think it is somewhere because I heard some saying "kafiro se azadi"
It feels good when people comments rationally. Thanks for the discourse.🙏
Shashi Tharoor is himself culprit to enlower the image of nation. He spent his childhood in Kerala and more time abroad. He is thrown out by Pappu
Admire the way the whole debate was conducted. Shashi Tharoor and Ram Madhav though political adversaries have respect for each other. Rahul Kanwal conducts the dabate in a very mature and balanced manner.
Well imagine if rajdeep sirdesai cunduct this debate
It's like, Shashi Tharoor kept Ram's chappal in Ram's hand and asking him to beat himself 😂, until he bleed 😂😆.
At 38:37 , Rahul said to Mr tharoor, instead of smashing the bouncer, you are ducking ur head & Mr. Tharoor said , yesterday shardul got caught while smashing the bouncer.😂😂 What an epic reply 👍.
Ppl who afraid of bouncers can't play the game. He might have escaped the bouncer but getting out in some other way is imminent. He's out.
@@dharma7248 Getting out is quite obviously imminent in cricket, every batter does eventually get out! what do you mean?
@@vedant4226 getting out when it matters doesn't take you to glory. Tharoor could've let the tricky questions go wide but ducking on good ones doesn't fit
Did u understand why Rahul say that ?😂 Its not an an epic reply, its acceptance by Tharoor that he cannot answer that question ( play the bouncer ) because the question( bouncer ) will get him out, so he’d rather duck !! At least try to understand the conversation. And what was the question that Tharoor did not want to answer ? Watch again. th-cam.com/video/tbRts64h0Wc/w-d-xo.html
@@aayushhh95 It wasn't a tricky question, its ad-hominem that every congress spokesperson gets. Rahul should've focused on refuting Tharoor's criticism on 'New India' rather than pointing fingers at the Gandhis and Nehrus. Other TV channels do plenty of that.
And here is MLA of my constituency who don't even have a high school certificate 😭
Hope you have your kagaz ready or you can go to pak
@@ambhat3953 I have kagaz and m not ashamed of showing them also and also if I went to Pak I will be killed at very first as I being non islamic
@@ajitsangwan5522 😂😂
It's happening every where in our country my friend.
@@tokoyanki1088 agreed..infect these politicians spread hatred among people for there political gain and people are stupid enough to follow them.
I just came here to hear Mr. Tharoor...
What a English Man...
I also listen only and only for Dr. Tharoor.
That's the biggest problem. If you want to improve English follow some good English channels. If you listen Shashi for English you actually without noticing start agreeing to his callous views
Tharoor a true English man. Nope a true, patriotic and intellectual Indian who loves Mother India 🙏🙏💖
@@richardnaidoo5614 Good Morning sir ji, have you read his one book titled 'The Paradoxical Priminister' and 'Nehru: the invention of India'. Thank You for your gracious written response for Shashi Tharoorji. If yes write it here YES.
@@naveenswarnkar4180 No Sir I did not read the book. Thank you Sir I will try and read it if I could get hold of it here in South Africa. Much respect to you Sir for the advice. 🙏🙏🙏
I cant belive how such a learned person like Tharoor could follow Rahul and stay in his family's party
Cz the ideology of the party is in his interest 🙄🤦🏻♂️ Do you really think Rahul Gandhi is the only moron ?? Have you not heard almost every politician speak absurd things 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It's all about the agenda in a party
Cause he is a man with principles
This is how debates are supposed to be.
Irrespective of your idealogy or belief.
Shashi Tharoor is a treat to watch.
Ram Madhav's counter arguments are really good.
but the problem is that they don't run their parties they are puppets who make them look good
This is the first time I really saw a debate... This is what should happen on screen... Had this been on TV all time.. Everybody would still have liked tv media
True ಥ‿ಥ . I wanted this to continue longer. I didn't ever realise and thr debate was over
Very true...
Tharoor sir , should be the president of the congress party.
But he is accused of killing his wife.
The "BJP" ideology Mr Ram portrays here does not represent the BJP on ground , as such it sounds reasonable..nice debate nonetheless..both very well spoken😂
For what, so you can prove me wrong or bash me for my ignorance or rather put me against your truth or the 'truth' as godi media claimed? Forget about technicalities, or even ideologies, what has the BJP done that has nothing to do with religion, caste or hypernationalistic agenda? Wher is ache din? Where is atma nirbhar bharat? The government did not spend a single rupee for vaccine development and reaseach, when HAL was supposed to profit from the rafale deal instead it was given to a desi company that sprung out of nowhere , why is gdp still low if we were to reach 5 trillion economy by 2025 ..they feed us a dream of a self reliant and superpower India(2020) on the contrary even nepal began to claim certain parts of our country as theirs whats so powerful about India right now??? Right now a the only sort of power they manifest in their words and actions is how powerful lies can be when clothed with the right amount of hatred, bigotry and decent..sorry amount of legal bends....sorry not sorry..( all these are facts based on the common knowledge derived from news not whatsapp university or the hyper nationalistic media )
Also i dont argue based on religion, reason tend to fail in such institutions...the first argument you put up is based caste division itself hence proving my point that you guys dont have any other agenda😂😂😂
Also i dont appprove of BJP doesn't mean i support Congress😂
You nailed it. Actually Shah should be there in place of Ram Madhav.
Don’t know about others but i support that ideology.
Shashi Tharoor has turned into a matured Politician... His response is very clear and in a composed manner... He is fit for better positions...
By by ft
He was a diplomat ...I hope u know it
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
@@teriyankiking9183 I know he was a diplomat. But to be a politician in India it takes much more than that..
@@sddevrj What ever be the case... Someone has to discuss it to ensure the people are aware of it...
Do not know about that Rahul's political acumen but this Rahul's journalistic acumen is almost close to nill.
He had the audacity to say that he is neutral in his journalism... Although he used to be once..
@@nayanpahwa I dont think he would side with rahul gandhi lol
Why you have doubts about RG's political acumen. It is also a big Zero..
@@Skandawin78 he's talking about Rahul kanwal
You are right. Jokers can not be journalists, by printing a visiting card. Strangely, pappu-2 is trying to out wit pappu-1 i
My school principal way of talking is like Ram😂😂😂
Both sides explaining their Ideology with listening and countering with facts .Brilliant one by India Conclave 👏
Politics aside..A well mannered Debate..Both were patient enough to listen each other's arguments 👌
Wonderful conversation and pretty engaging. Thanks India Today. Good to hear from Mr.Ram Madhav that many people want Dr.Shashi Tharoor to be the Congress President... it would be great to see that change just for a change immediately-- nothing wrong.
Dr.Tharoor is amazing in debate and I really enjoy to hear him anywhere he speaks irrespective of the subject of debate.
He certainly deserves a bigger role in the National stage...it's just my perception with due respect to other national leaders and stalwarts
Brilliant and articulate Shashi Tharoor. Giant intellect.
Indeed.. He is the best for any debate.
That will never happen as long as any creature available in Nehru/Gandhi family.
16:10 when Ram Madhav is speaking, Madam is busy painting her nails😂😂😂😂
they are rich! who are you
A brilliant debate between two stalwarts. This happened despite a very mediocre representative of India Today. Both such wonderful gentlemen. Thank you Dr. Tharoor and Mr. Madhav!
Ram Madhav sir and Shashi Tharoor sir were brilliant. Needed a better anchor, who can keep up though
No media questions ruling party instead questioned opposition... Every news channel... India Today too.
And rightly so, we got a nincompoop, impotent opposition led by a 50yr old kid.
True. That's called Godi media
Yeah bro they forget that many states are their where bjp is not ruling and still their only problem is bjp just look at jharkhand and rajasthan
I think you are pissed because PUBG is banned, grow up kiddo!!
It's very much true, "By nature India from ancient times is secular" by mentioning it in constitution congress encashed it politically. New India is secular but not blind.
Agreed agreed.
Seeking truth and reconciliation should be our goal. If we can acknowledge the atrocities of British then why can't we acknowledge the Mughals and Sultans? Painted truths, hollow narratives has busted.
The English skills of Shashi Tharoor vs Wisdom of Ram Madhav. I would've absolutely loved Anand Ranganathan against Shashi Tharoor. A battle of ages.
This is a david vs Goliath debate and i expected ram madhav to be decimated by the shashi tharoor's words but the CAA explanation given by ram madhav.. hats off.. nice explanation and also based on facts not hypothesis !! Good ONE
This is real prime time debate want our country really needs.two great intellectuals are debating on real issues.they are real politians.
Great experience to watch and hear two knowledgeable gentlemen debating with each other.
Shashi Tharoor was really outstanding
He got smashed. 😂😂
Watch d one where he tried to challenge J Sai Deepak. It was a TKO!! 😂😂
He’s a smug Lutyen
I love to hear these two speakers, both Ram Madhav and Shashi Tharoor. Both parties must use such intelligent people smartly for the good of their party and nation too.
Yes exactly this is how it should be done,like in usa the presidential debates happen
Yes, ram should be next pm of India
I am not a fan of RG, but I don't appreciate the judgements passed by the anchor on RG.. Better the anchor stick to his role and ask questions.
and thats you idea of democracy.......change change change....
'23 of them have found internal democracy' LOL😂
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I was so upbeat when Shashi Tharoor came into politics in 2009. I still remember talking to so many of my NRI friends on how the politics of India will change for better with highly accomplished people and intelligent people like him joining politics. Then by 2013, I was disillusioned with congress and felt Anna Hazare supported by IITian Kejriwal, IPS Kiran Bedi, great actor Aamir Khan will usher in a new change in India. I even donated to India against corruption, went to Ramlila maidaan to shout slogans
Now if I look back at it, the only thing I can do is laugh at myself. But I am happy that I realised the biggest flaw in my thinking. The reason we support people like Shashi Tharoor or a Kejriwal is they are well educated. We are brainwashed from childhood that education is equal to goodness.
NO, IT IS NOT.
Chidambaram is MBA from Harvard and we all know what he did. Mani Shankar Aiyar is from Cambridge - We all know what kind of rubbish he speaks. Kapil Sibal is Harvard Law graduate and all he does is write mercy petitions for terrorists and sells beef.
It is not that congress didn’t have highly educated people in the party. There were lots of them but they were all crooks. And a highly educated crook is even more dangerous as he can dupe you in even more innovative ways.
Everyone from Islamic invaders to Britishers were supported by highly educated and intelligent Indians. Yes, you need them to lord over the country? So the rulers of India cultivated a group of crooks who were well read to rule over us and keep us poor. And Chachaji and his family also continued this trend and cultivated a group of highly educated crooks to rule India. Today we call this group as Lootyens as they stay in an area called Lutyens in Delhi and loot us.
What is the change that BJP and Modi brought into politics?
It made jokers like me realise that IVY LEAGUE DEGREES doesn’t make you a patriot, inculcate honesty or bring goodness.
But people who cultivate character, personality on the basis of ethos of Culture and civilisation of India have patriotism and goodness in them.
Do this experiment if you don’t believe me:
You go into any random RSS Shaka in any part of the country and any time in the year.
And see what they teach those students - Patriotism, Service, Goodness, Honesty and Simplicity.
It is done every day and all throughout the year.
Tell me which Ivy League Univ, IIT, IIM, St Stephens, Doon school or any school where you pay lakhs of rupees as fees teach it?
I have been to world’s top Universities, have 6 degrees but no where my education taught me patriotism or goodness.
It is my dad who taught me and the books I read written by Swami Vivekananda or the man I idolise Shaheed Bhagat Singh who did this.
RSS shakhas do it for all the Sangh goers everyday. Hence people like Modi are so patriotic and honest. I don’t care if he went to school or he has MA or not.
A person who reads Swami Vivekanand or goes to a RSS Shaka is any day better than a crook with IIT or Harvard degree.
Yes that is what we need to realise.
Believe in your own ethos or the goodness of your own country. You will any day be better than believing in those degrees.
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Interesting point, I agree with your words expressing your views. I would like to discuss how prioritizing any teaching place over the other one becomes a big problem in long run.
Yes we will need to think about coming times, it’s us who lay the path so next ones can walk.
Coming back to Swami Vivekanada, Bhagat Singh they questioned everything and in question all of our observations (evolved learnings) we keep on finding the more effective and efficient way to be and live presently.
The tool which we learn to use from any source like IITs, Shakhas, Universities, Books, etc. are mere tools not a perfect tool just a tool. And people going to IIT and Shakha are choosing tool which they want. No one institution should have enough power to radiate and transform everyone. That’s borderline dangerous.
Hi.
-From a fellow 🃏🤡
Been there mate 😅
I dont know what they teach in IITs. But. In saksha, all what they teach is the ideology of not tolerating other relegiins. Sure, they are patriots in their own right. But, their patriotism is stubbornly based on religious ideologies. They can never dream of thinking of being secular and keeping everyone together. My first insight into this was from the words of one of my friends, who almost regularly telephoned me just to say that Muslims and Christians don't deserve to be a part of India. This guy is from kerala and regularly went to saksha. We were just 17, back then. He used to say that, since these religions are based on ideologies came from outside India, the people who believed in them and practiced them cannot be considered Indians. These words came out of 17 year old boy's mouth. Imagine how terrible will be the damage this can do. I am a hjndu myself and I am proud of it for various reasons. But my faith and my religion is mine and it should be confined to myself. It has nothing to do with nation or nationalism. It shouldn't be having.
But unfortunately, your Rss and sakha are doing the exact opposite. Their beliefs are all based on religion and they can never detach themselves from it, because they have been forged or brought up in such a way, just like my old friend. In that sense, they are the real anti nationals, for the kind of intolerance they practice and try to enforce.
Selling and eating beef is no crime. Those who prefer to eat are free to do that. The constitution doesn't prevent it. Even if one does, that constitution cannot be considered democratic. So please keep your beliefs to yourselves and donot stick your nose into other people's lives. Why should you instruct others to go to sakha? Its none of your business. Please
@Eagle eye. I hope that one day you could come out of your delusional world of all religions are same & bullshit.
There's and will always be a stark difference between Abrahamics & Dharmic ideology. The idea of blasphemy or conversion to attain salvation or get killed, isn't a normal proposition to ignore!
People of this civilization has seen enough and the problem is, the converts have now become holier than thou!
They tend to disregard everything coming from their true culture & impose a pseudo identity among themselves. This explains the formation of Indian Mujahideen & how they used to attack by quoting the verses of Quran. This is merely a modern instance. Wahabi, deoband, Ahmadiya movements had roots for the creation of Pakistan.
So, unless you want a divided India, the point of projecting yourself as secular has no basis because the others are certainly not & if given a chance wouldn't feel bad to slit your throat.
Besides all, it was under the patronage of Hindu Indian kings who have sheltered many persecuted minorities since centuries, which secular India could never dreamt of.
India is secural because of the majority who are comfortable under living in a Constitution as opposed to the other side, which, if given a chance would raize cities to impose sharia (there are many modern examples lying around).
Just by putting a blind eye to all, may only make you look progressive but deep inside it's just outright laughable & a pacifist approach, that could only end with your head taken out from the torso by the same community you're sucking their d*cks off here.
All and all, about beef, isn't diatary preference, a geographical identity?
Please go to west Asia & eat pork? Let alone that, you can't even allowed there to be any gender other than the two, unless you wish yourself to be stonned to death.
People like you claps when pegan greeks gave liberal laws but put a blind eye to pegan Indians in the past.
Such civilizational annihilators has no space in this country.
@@eagleeye5875 Rss has made India and unsafe place for Christians and Muslims
BJP Vs Congress debate happening in Tamil Nadu is the biggest fun of the year. With due respect, Shashi tharoor is the only politicians respected by every politician in India and proud of. true genius.
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
Respected politician and Tharor? My foot
Respected. He is killer of his wife.
@@Rahat2995 Right said fred.... he conspired in abetted suicide
At 37:50 Kamal hassan would have felt relieved not to be part of that engaging debate and more importantly relieved about Smriti Irani's absence.
Shashi’s next book - Art of Half-Tharoorths
Ram was brilliant. very thorough with his argument, particularly on contentious citizenship bill. His explanation of constitution was also very convincing.
Best debate show 👍
The honorable speakers are highly logical in their respective aspects
Very knowledgeable and enjoyed a lot❤️
Anand ragnathan or sashi ji ke bich debate me maza aayega dekhne me kon kon chahata hai ye ho😊
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a ranga will pulverize sasi taroor outta shape
Aanand RangaNathan is too aggressive for shashi
@@rk02536 aggressive? sasi taroor is too artificial
I would also like to see the debate between Mr. Tharoor and Mr. J Sai Deepak
We need Shashi Tharoor to get back the democracy in India our indians need peace & freedom like we did have during the time of congress,
Ram Madhav had some good under appreciated jokes in the debate 😂
Freedom of speech, but not freedom after speech. Shashi Tharoor nailed it. 👏👏
You can call pm facist, kisanon ka katil, bharat hoga tukde tukde, sar tanse Juda, hindutva khabar khudoge, 15 min police hatao so on and cry for freedom of expression, tharoor is no 1 speaker in India, just chill bro, freedom of expression doesn't mean u can make any foolish statements. Example if one tweet in support of Taliban, action will be taken like assam
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Boss this conversation was an absolute joy I really enjoyed it
Loved this debate! ❤️ There should be more debates like this.
Sashi Tharoor is as brilliant as ever.
Ram Madhav is a good orator and have given clear points on CAA that it is right
Ram Madhav being most articulate speaker from BJP speaks a lot about what kind of speakers BJP otherwise has
Tharoor has been humbled plenty of times by people on the so called right
Articulation and English will only take you so far
If ur on the wrong side, you are only suffering a slow defeat
That's why Tharoor was embarrassed by JSD during his own book launch
I get it, you are new to the world of politics, debates and discourse. Every novice thinks Tharoor is invincible par bichare ko bht baar muh ki khani padi hai.
😂shashi sir always ignores the question whenever someone asks him if you wanna be a leader or not
I pray sone day the Gandhis realize the worth of Mr. Tharoor and pave way to be our next PM. Just listen the way he articulates things 🙏🙏🙌
By the time u realise u will be a minority in your muslim state
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@@torchbearerind6255 be happy with your emojis and keep spreading hate … lol and being minority we have the majority of the ppl around the globe ! Will get there and make all realize what we are !!!
@@saibaba4u Nothing but a converted ass! Stay proud 😂
This debate is too much for me😔 i am going back to sambit patra vs kanhaiya to find out is modiji really the father of sambit patra or not!! 🥺😊
Prove that Kanhaiya has done anything good for people
how can he do, did he become the MP from Bihar, let him be, then you'll ask these stupid questions.
@@agnidiptahomroy8656 Then why are some licking his boots inspite of being ZERO?
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You have no where to go to find your father.
Ram Madhav is very good in countering eloquent Tharoor...
Wow being a Upsc aspirant Tharoors argument is very much organized ,, Tharoor rocks ❤️🔥
Nice to hear such high quality debates then the other debates where people demean others
Well! Y don’t u write to d editor?? If even 1% of people whom r frustrated with it would write publicly to d editors, it’d stop. But u don’t truly want that. Do u?? U enjoy the barbarism. Learn to tell d truth to urself.
@@RojaJaneman Hello, I am not sure if you understood what i said. I was appreciating the debate and not criticizing it..Where is the question of getting frustrated ?
Taroor's idea is good. Being a congress man, he has to support his party. Good presentation and less insult. 👏
Congress idea of india is week, and shallow and compromised
@@Raj-gc2rc ram should be made pm instead of modi, if RSS permit and had Democracy in them.
My dear beloved Indian brothers I am an Indian Muslim and I will die as an Indian Muslim and still how many years we all need to stop considering religion as our primary agenda rather focus on poverty, development and giving hope of bright future for next generation? I am Muslim and whatever AIMIM says is not my stand and I believe the same with so many my Hindu brothers regarding RSS or hindutva ideology. So let’s have hope on humanity as top priority than our religion because every religion teaches to be a good human to the society first.
Good now teach this too other 180 million muslims....
@@Scientist1351 Teaching is not my job, Let Hindu and Muslim read and understand their sacred scriptures before targeting anyone. Because There’s lots of commonness between sacred scriptures, which is sufficient...... Any radical group of any religion does not want peace in the society because they earn money and power by spreading hatred between the inter religion and they enjoy the life..... so let’s all wake up
At the first place comparing Hindutva and mim itself is a joke
Where did ur assumptions about rss come from
@@user-rv2tn9qx2b I was one of the students of Sri Saraswati Shishu Mandir which runs by RSS, so please brother...... look at the content and intention and I don’t have time if you are a member of the RSS and want to debate on it
@@aask1986 what is the context
The thing is u said Rss and Hindutva ideology is bad
The only thing bad about this debate is "ANCHOR".
When ram Madhav Garu said he also read the 3000 pages of the constituent assembly debates, sashi tharoor truly understood whom he was debating.
Shashi Tharoor is clearly toying.😂
He's a gem from the South.
Ram Madhav is also from the south.
This dissent issue and lack of democracy in India canard are things that does not deserve even the dignity of a debate. Manufactured lies by disenchanted political figures and parties are best thrown to dustbin
Ram Madhav is 100 times better
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discussion should be around only corruption, Lokpal, Free CBI, Police & Judiciary reform, Free Media, Electoral reform, beaurocratic reform, RTI reform, No entry of criminals in Politics, transparency in govt budget expediture, transparency in political party funding, crime, rapes, etc. where idea of India of BJP or congress or any other party, they will fall into line or their all leaders will be in Jail if reforms has been done in India. So discuss always reforms, Lokpal should be a center issue.
one of the best comments i have read in some far months
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@Pranav M The masses don't need it; the politicians do. The masses actually need the nitty gritty details because those are the ones that affect them; meaningless incantations like "achchhe din", while inflammatory/stimulating, ultimately mean fuck all for the people. This is actually why you get things like protests later on during the government's term.
“As a politician you should know ...” - Shashi Tharoor bowled there and then!
Both the speakers were so well spoken! Kudos!👏👏👏
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The best debate so far on this year’s India today conclave. Reflects the intellectual power of both Ram Madhav ji and Shashi Tharoor ji!
I never thought Ram Madav would deliver such a fantastic speech. Suitable debater for Taroor.
Bro, are you even living in India??
Tharoor is a british accented english speaking politician whereas Ram Madhav is a thorough intellectual.
Tharoor didn't even have counter to any of the arguments.
@@adityarane8021 Precisely ....i agree.
Your ideas is One man is like God-??
Dr. Shashi tharoor sounds great 👍
He only sounds ..but no ground level work or practical execution
Secularism is always taken as an advantage by congress to remain in power while righly pointed out by Mr. Ram that Hindus are secular by character.... Very good debate in fact.
Damn Ram Madhav has own the debate and outsmarted tharoor
not a chance tharoor was far better
I realised two things. Truth prevails, Knowledge counts and good English does guarantee you face saving.......
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Excellent even hosted by India Today. Hats off to both speakers. Why not people like Dr Sashi Tharoor come up in the leadership levels of Congress. We would like to see people like him either as Chief Minister or as Party President..
A.N.Raman
Rahul is amazing, he sure will surpass Burkha and Rajdeep. He never lets Ram Madhav ji complete his point. People have rejected this ideology of the press.