Cheers Chris totally agree . Im sick of hearing commentators, golfers and golf coaches saying you square the club face with just rotating through the shot . Well done mate 👏👏👏👏👏👏👊
I’m lucky to have had a good instructor that explained this to me recently. Had been playing for about a year thinking I had to stay square with the face and rotate and now I have some really bad faults in my swing that I’m struggling to unlearn. When I get this release correct it feels so effortless and the ball goes at least 20 yards further than I used to hit it. Not enough coaches online seem to talk about this enough in my opinion
I have used this for my wife, who had a alignment issue, definitely works, and more to the point she understands the club better. Big tip, don’t just watch this, watch them all it will make a massive difference to your game.
Love this!! I’ve never agreed with the idea of turning to square the club face. I have tried it and it has never felt natural to me. It leads me to spin out of the downswing and not come through the ball with force. Keep up the great work!!
I recently found your vid of the release showing the tee peg in front of the ball and pointing the butt end of the club to it. I can honestly say this has been the best advice I’ve ever had. It ensures you keep on the inside coming down and helps with a powerful release down the line. I’ve got much better ball striking and more club head speed. I achieved what you are saying here by doing that 👍
@@ChrisRyanGolf Yes absolutely! I was thinking to swing down the line and this often caused me to swing from outside to in and pull the shot. With this thought, i hit a straight shot with a bit of draw, but if I get ahead of it, it’s more of a push to the right .Now I know its not going hard left anymore, it’s giving me options I didn’t have before. Thanks for all your first class instruction videos. There isn’t one I haven’t seen and appreciated 👍
Absolutely great explanation. Chris most golfer have an over the top swing. That's why its hard to square the clubface. So your explanation has to help with timing the swing. Tame your swing to hit square is the key.
Great lesson again and points made Chris, well done. And, after looking at other videos of yours, totally get why not to look at the ball too. Handicap now down to 9.1 and in the top 10% of NZ golfers and that’s all down to you! Keep up the great work, you are making a difference to our golf!
Thank you Chris, not bad for an old fella! That said top 10% down here is probably something like top 50% up there but I’m happy… just got to keep playing well enough to stay there now 🤞
Finally something that makes sense. Got caught up with the body swing stuff to generate power etc. I feel I play naturally with hands and arms. Body still crucial but like this idea and explanation Thank you
I have been working with a very accomplished instructor for about two years, completely remaking my swing from an extremely ugly, ineffective and technically unsound state into one that actually looks quite good and is fundamentally sound (and my scoring in handicap reflect these improvements). One of the things that has taken me the longest to accomplish is the correct timing of the wrists rotating the clubface open. Since I had an old habit of rotating my wrists too early and bringing the clubhead way too far inside at the start of the backswing, it was hard for me to give it to myself to make that move later in the swing. Just within the last month I finally have it down. I almost have to feel like I am exaggerating rotating the club face to the sky, but in reality when looking at my swing on video everything is perfectly on plane. I am about 90% complete on correct timing to square the clubface at impact (mostly good pure contact, but occasionally flare one out to the right or hit a low pull hook). It’s a process, right? But the point is, you are exactly on point with this lesson and it coincides exactly with the timing of what I’m working on! Great video, as always! Keep up the fantastic content!
Well done, Chris. I've noticed when I focus on keeping the face square throughout, I become too stiff in my arms and wrists and lose power and flow as a result. I think the key is getting the face back to square "somewhere" in your downswing. That may be a different point for each golfer depending on their particular swing flaws, swing thoughts, ability to time it, etc. For me, earlier is better. But, it has to open and it has to close.
it’s pretty amazing that people would argue this fact with you🤯🤯🤯!!!…. well maybe not but it seems like common sense to me ! thanks chris for all the help u give us and for all the hard work you put in to help us all out!
Feels like a video in response to Saguto golf. I think his point though is more that you dont have to think about it if you follow certain fundamentals, not that it doesn’t happen, however, as someone who has taken his paid lessons this video was needed for me, personally.
I don't think you said it but this is actually the release of the club as you have described before. I have been trying to get this correct for a long time. From what I have learned the release is the acceleration that is required to hit the ball farther, and if done properly straighter. Acceleration is required not velocity since F= ma (mass times acceleration). If you try to use your body to square the face you are not accelerating through the ball.
Nice video as always, Chris. The only question I have when you say that the club face is open during the takeaway is that it is really not open; it's at a 90 degree angle to the swing path which is what it should be. Correct? And that if you keep the face at 90 degrees to the swing arc, the face will hit the ball squarely. What am I missing?
One of the most important principles in the swing! Perhaps the clearest explanation I have ever heard. Excellent. So much misinformation about this out there.
If you keep your left wrist bowed in the backswing the club stays square throughout the swing. When I take my club back the face is pointing out and slightly down, not up to the sky as you demonstrated. Therefore my body rotation delivers the face square to the ball.
Obviously haven’t seen your swing so can’t say, but I’d almost bet my house that the face isn’t square throughout, it may be less open like a DJ or similar, but still plenty of face rotation in there is my bet
To say you have to 'learn' how to return it square is wrong... and thats why people dont get it... in the main its a natural thing... where you maybe have to teach rotation or lower your hip (examples) - this is a much more natural action.. however the consciousness you bring to it, especially in drilling to deliver open and closed is the thing that makes this video worthwhile... you are bringing a consciousness to something that is mainly natural but some dont have 'naturally' maybe... and for those that never thunked of it (because its natural) => its a useful tool
Chris, this makes sense. What I see others talking about is the method to square up. Twisting on the downswing is an example of squaring it differently. The question comes down to what the golfer can do based on skill set and comfort/physical capabilities. I certainly can’t bow my wrist like DJ and turn the way he does at age 58😊. Am I understanding your point here? The approach you are recommending is a neutral grip and squaring post P6?
Yeah spot on, I didn’t cover too much about how to square it and the different methods, it exactly as you say the majority of golfers can’t do what DJ does with his wrist, it there are multiple ways to do it,
Chris, I see your point with a standard backswing and transition. However, wouldn’t a “twistaway” (hooding) of the club in the backswing, and maintaining it through t the strike negate the necessity to square the club into impact? Thank you.
Thank you for that explanation. I'm tired of hearing it's all about rotation to square the face up.. makes me feel like I've been playing wrong all this time. Thanks
Good vid Chris. Too many pros/coaches, even now, describe the position at the top of the backswing as square when the club is 'laid' on the swing/shaft plane. I don't think a lot of instructors realise the importance of choosing their words correctly. As golfers we have all wasted a lot of time following ideas that we have misunderstood. Far too much ambiguity in golf.
Never commented on this channel before but I have been reading up about this "old vs new release" theory. I have to agree with you 100%. The whole idea that the body turn does all the work is frankly absurd from a body mechanics veiwpoint. OK, you don't want to get too flippy but you covered that in the end of the video. Nice one.
Tried to ‘100% square swing’ for ages. It’s a load of crap. Have to rotate the club face just as you said Chris. Thank you for the drill as well, this is something I struggle with so appreciate it!
An astroturf doormap from the DIY store and foam balls, perfect £20 home set-up to practice this 100x a day. Also works for Chris' chipping lesson ;-). Yes it's still bloody snowing in Sweden.
Chris, can you also talk about how the hands (arms) move from the right theigh over to the left as well? Also, the hands moving in an arc and not on a straight line?
Interesting Chris, some golf tutors would argue the club face you describe as 'open' is actually square to square throughout the swing. Might just be interpretation or semantics. BTW, you have a great golf swing matey.
I’d agree that the terminology doesn’t help, when the face is open by 90 at the top of the backswing we often refer to that as square, probably doesn’t help and does throw some confusion in there
Shouldn’t the club face be square to the swing arc or parallel to the spine and then have a throw release? Many will say that the face is closed, but it seems like the majority of professionals are doing this as it requires less timing.
I love your videos soo this is a pure question - what if you “bow” your wrist in the back swing likeColin, or Jon rahm or Tommy Fleewood - that way it’s square as you rotate thru 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Yeah plenty of golfers recently with that bowed wrist look, face still rotates open a lot, just a little less. If you do the demonstration that I did in this vid stoop upright and the face rotates open by 90, then try to bow your wrist to put the face back to vertical it’s near damn impossible, wrist will only change face boy about 15 degrees or so
I think you're right with weak, neutral, and slightly strong grips, but I don't think it's the case with very strong lead hand grips (and maybe trail hand grips, though I don't have as much experience with those). Take Azinger's grip. In his swing, his clubface is in the same relationship to the swing path, throughout the swing, until after the ball is hit.
@@ChrisRyanGolf In their early days, Azinger and Daly were probably outliers, and people looked at my grip in the 90s pretty oddly, but these days, grips are getting a lot stronger more commonly. Teachers like Shawn Clement and Kelvin Miyahira compare a super strong grips to karate chops and knife blades. And, strong grips are all over long drive events. From my own experience, the advantage of a strong grip has been being able to swing out of my shoes without having to worry about squaring the clubface.
Great video. Curious which video was the "controversial" one from a few months ago being referenced here. Could someone link it or give the title at least?
Thanks Andrew, the video that got the most push back was when a clip was posted on Instagram, I think the main video was back end of last year on TH-cam
So, answer this question: Do the hands have to SLOW DOWN through impact? … to allow the clubhead catch up 🤷🏼♂️ Good stuff, Chris 👍🏻 Keep up there good work ⛳️🏌️♂️ p.s. Isn’t that the purpose of an IMPACT BAG? 🤔 … to learn how to square the clubface through impact?
For me, the best way to work on this is to practice hitting 40-50yd pitch shots over and over again. Since you're not taking the club back any further than the last parallel you're working on takeaway and squaring the club through impact. If I start my practice session with a healthy amount of pitching, my full swing benefits.
I’m a relatively new golfer and this is what I’ve understood what needs to happen anyway. Yes the turn, the shoulders, the hips are all relative but this to me is basic golf 101 isn’t it 🤓
I heard you say that it happens in a millisecond and it’s incredibly difficult (5:30) and you have to work on timing…. Not my swing thought. I suggest others don’t follow this train of thought.
The AMG guys myth busted this as well a while back. There are degrees of how much arm rotation you need depending on grip, how bowed your wrist angles are etc, but even grand master DJ himself (the one they always mention) has plenty of arm rotation in his release.
I think a neutral grip would be the easiest to work with, but as with so many things it will be very individual, some may find a weaker grip easier to work with, some stronger, but neutral is in my opinion your best bet
Chris can you explain what happens when pro golfers start to bow their left wrist in the down swing and what impact this has on their release through impact please
Hey Peter, yeah so bowing the wrist closes the face a little, so they have less ‘work’ to do into impact, they still have to square the face with the arms but less to do if they bow the wrist
Yes, and he also demonstrated the short shots drill left, right and straight. Best way to warm up before a round. Get a feel for the hands and wrist. Good stuff!
Hey Luis, yes he definitely has a different wrist and face position, and more of a trend towards that recently. In this vid I said the fade opened by 90, in a swing like DJ it still opens, a lot! But maybe by 70 or 75, so still a lot of work to do into impact 🏌🏼♂️
I've watched Colin's slo-mo swing and it looks like he has the club square immediately on the downswing, not just at the impact point. His wrist flexion is nuts.
Yeah I’d say the bowed wrist move that we see a fair bit can help, but it only contributes a small amount the the squaring of the face. If the face opens by 90 then bowing the wrist can reduce that to maybe 80 or so, means there is less to do but still a lot of work to do
I've only been learning 3 years, & now have had breakthroughs in my learning & I understand that these clubs are engineered to square on their own. With the proper grip you then allow the club to do its job at impact rather than working against the club trying to manufacture an artificially unnaturally squared club face. The technology of the head of the golf club was not mentioned once, for me being a newer golfer but now understanding how things work, this style of instruction is somewhat misleading. Why turn the club head when it's designed to turn with natural gravity on its own. Explaining Equipment needs to be better reviewed by most online instructors IMO. no disrespect just an observation. Likely I missed that video.
Disagree sorta kinda. You seem to be forgetting the crucial bowed wrist aspect that everyone talks about which is what squares the face so that you can just rotate through... right? Which is pretty much the same thing that you're talking about except it reduces the amount that you have to time the turning over of your hands right? you set the wrist turn as you initiate the down swing and then hold it the whole way through impact zone. Less flippy, more consistent. Would love to hear your response tho Though in a sense I do agree with you, I swing how you are describing and that in most cases is what is required and is why golf is so hard. you have to be athletic and execute the difficult timed motion to hit it straight.
Yeah bowing the wrist does offset this a touch, but only a small amount. In this vid I said the face opens around 90 degrees, someone like DJ who is probably the most extreme case still opens it but maybe only 70 or so, so yeah reduces it a little
There is still a huge misunderstanding......you are squaring the leading edge to the target line. There is a difference between the leading edge and club face. Squaring the club face is having the club face 90 degrees to the target line. The club face is vertical to the target line the ball will start left and move left. The intent is to have the club face vertical( 90 degrees) to the swing line it creates the correct dynamic loft and start direction of the ball.
Thing is though, when the club is straight back (horizontal) the face should actually be about 20deg or so closed, not open 90deg like what you are showing. Your 90 open face at that position is from 20 year old teaching (and older) before all of the body measuring dynamics have taken hold. We now know better.
Agreed there would be references as to where the face should be, plenty more great golfer with it slightly less open than slightly more. Guess in this vidoe I was addressing the concept rather than specifically looking at the ideal position
So true Jeff, at the end of the day it’s down to the golfer to get that club back to where it needs to be, the majority of that is done with hands and arms 🙏🏻
Yep. The only way to set the club properly at the top is to naturally allow the lead forearm to rotate, and the right forearm to be thrown back 90* above the right elbow. Most amateurs never feel this move, because they’re too stiff and worried about the clubface. You have to learn to let go of some of that “control” feeling, if you want effortless speed, and consistent strike.
All the people complaining about this are the same guys who play once a month or so spend thousands of dollars on training aids that do nothing and they can’t break 90!
Terrible advice. Do you really think any pro is thinking about squaring the face? Look at Matsuyama or JT. Do they look like they have time to do that? All you have to do is pull the grip thru the impact zone. The release is automatic.
This video was to highlight the fact that the face opens going back and you as the golfer need to do something to square it, wasn’t an in depth look at how you square it, plus pulling up on the handle does not automatically square the face, could not be more untrue 🙏🏻
@@ChrisRyanGolf understood. And thank you for the response. You are right. It must square up. But if you look at the pros from behind, they have a hockey slap type move thru impact. All they are doing is bringing everything back down intact. You can see it more clearly from above or behind.
I like your channel and always have Chris but you have just led many average golfers to a flip swing. I know what your intention was, but you need to be careful with what you’re dealing with. Especially since you were roasted for your squaring the club face original video when you were obviously correct. You should have included shaft lean, or you’ll have a country full of flippers, or maybe more of a country full of flippers. lol
Hey Nelson, appreciate your comments but not sure I fully agree. This video was on the topic of club face rotation and the fact that there is a skill involved with squaring it and highlighting that you as the golfer needs to do that, not sure how that information leads to a flip? Agreed you need shaft lean, but you also need a pretty early weight shift, some rotation, a good kinematic sequence etc, I can’t include all of those into a short video otherwise I lose the viewer. Which part of the video do you feel would cause a flip?
@@ChrisRyanGolf okay, I’ve been around the block and am sure of what I tell you. Do as you wish but the part where you correct the 90 degrees and your hands are even with the ball. lol
@@ChrisRyanGolf Don't waste your time engaging with trolls, Chris. They know everything about the golf swing. I find it interesting that they are watching videos on golf tips 🤔
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Cheers Chris totally agree . Im sick of hearing commentators, golfers and golf coaches saying you square the club face with just rotating through the shot . Well done mate 👏👏👏👏👏👏👊
So true, one of those statements that gets thrown around that just isn’t true
I’m lucky to have had a good instructor that explained this to me recently. Had been playing for about a year thinking I had to stay square with the face and rotate and now I have some really bad faults in my swing that I’m struggling to unlearn. When I get this release correct it feels so effortless and the ball goes at least 20 yards further than I used to hit it. Not enough coaches online seem to talk about this enough in my opinion
Great advice to those that disagree. Been watching your vids for years. I consider you my golf coach!! You have never steered us wrong!!
Thanks so much 🙏🏻
I have used this for my wife, who had a alignment issue, definitely works, and more to the point she understands the club better. Big tip, don’t just watch this, watch them all it will make a massive difference to your game.
Love this!! I’ve never agreed with the idea of turning to square the club face. I have tried it and it has never felt natural to me. It leads me to spin out of the downswing and not come through the ball with force. Keep up the great work!!
Yeah it can definitely cause you to end up in some less than ideal positions!
I recently found your vid of the release showing the tee peg in front of the ball and pointing the butt end of the club to it. I can honestly say this has been the best advice I’ve ever had. It ensures you keep on the inside coming down and helps with a powerful release down the line. I’ve got much better ball striking and more club head speed. I achieved what you are saying here by doing that 👍
Love it! Sometimes a feel or new concept is all you need to see big differences
Could you please share the link to that
@@leviprimavera9367 th-cam.com/video/Pp6iq12Mz3E/w-d-xo.html
@@ChrisRyanGolf Yes absolutely! I was thinking to swing down the line and this often caused me to swing from outside to in and pull the shot. With this thought, i hit a straight shot with a bit of draw, but if I get ahead of it, it’s more of a push to the right .Now I know its not going hard left anymore, it’s giving me options I didn’t have before. Thanks for all your first class instruction videos. There isn’t one I haven’t seen and appreciated 👍
@@ChrisRyanGolf what video is Ian referring to? Could you share a link?
Absolutely great explanation. Chris most golfer have an over the top swing. That's why its hard to square the clubface. So your explanation has to help with timing the swing. Tame your swing to hit square is the key.
Great lesson again and points made Chris, well done. And, after looking at other videos of yours, totally get why not to look at the ball too. Handicap now down to 9.1 and in the top 10% of NZ golfers and that’s all down to you! Keep up the great work, you are making a difference to our golf!
Wow great job, top 10% is incredible, well done and glad I could help
Thank you Chris, not bad for an old fella! That said top 10% down here is probably something like top 50% up there but I’m happy… just got to keep playing well enough to stay there now 🤞
Finally something that makes sense.
Got caught up with the body swing stuff to generate power etc. I feel I play naturally with hands and arms. Body still crucial but like this idea and explanation
Thank you
Thanks glad it helped 🙏🏻
I have been working with a very accomplished instructor for about two years, completely remaking my swing from an extremely ugly, ineffective and technically unsound state into one that actually looks quite good and is fundamentally sound (and my scoring in handicap reflect these improvements). One of the things that has taken me the longest to accomplish is the correct timing of the wrists rotating the clubface open. Since I had an old habit of rotating my wrists too early and bringing the clubhead way too far inside at the start of the backswing, it was hard for me to give it to myself to make that move later in the swing. Just within the last month I finally have it down. I almost have to feel like I am exaggerating rotating the club face to the sky, but in reality when looking at my swing on video everything is perfectly on plane. I am about 90% complete on correct timing to square the clubface at impact (mostly good pure contact, but occasionally flare one out to the right or hit a low pull hook). It’s a process, right? But the point is, you are exactly on point with this lesson and it coincides exactly with the timing of what I’m working on! Great video, as always! Keep up the fantastic content!
Well done, Chris. I've noticed when I focus on keeping the face square throughout, I become too stiff in my arms and wrists and lose power and flow as a result. I think the key is getting the face back to square "somewhere" in your downswing. That may be a different point for each golfer depending on their particular swing flaws, swing thoughts, ability to time it, etc. For me, earlier is better. But, it has to open and it has to close.
Agreed, and a key skill to master. 🙏🏻
I have exactly the same thoughts/feeling. Trying to keep the club square throughout the swing ruins my backswing fluidity. It feels robotic
@@mickydrippin3105 Yes, exactly
The simplicity of your explanations makes the lesson so easy to follow. Now, as you say in this video, it is up to me to do it. Fair enough.
Thanks Paul appreciate it 🙏🏻
it’s pretty amazing that people would argue this fact with you🤯🤯🤯!!!…. well maybe not but it seems like common sense to me ! thanks chris for all the help u give us and for all the hard work you put in to help us all out!
Thanks Josh appreciate it 🙏🏻
Feels like a video in response to Saguto golf. I think his point though is more that you dont have to think about it if you follow certain fundamentals, not that it doesn’t happen, however, as someone who has taken his paid lessons this video was needed for me, personally.
been watching hundreds of videos in the past few months as i take up the game. was wondering when something addressing this would come up!!
very easy to understand the golf swing after this demonstration!😊
I don't think you said it but this is actually the release of the club as you have described before. I have been trying to get this correct for a long time. From what I have learned the release is the acceleration that is required to hit the ball farther, and if done properly straighter. Acceleration is required not velocity since F= ma (mass times acceleration). If you try to use your body to square the face you are not accelerating through the ball.
Nice video as always, Chris. The only question I have when you say that the club face is open during the takeaway is that it is really not open; it's at a 90 degree angle to the swing path which is what it should be. Correct? And that if you keep the face at 90 degrees to the swing arc, the face will hit the ball squarely. What am I missing?
One of the most important principles in the swing! Perhaps the clearest explanation I have ever heard. Excellent. So much misinformation about this out there.
Thanks Joseph appreciate that 🙏🏻
100% truth! I learned this by using Tom Watson’s Hanger golfing aid.
Thanks and yeah great training aid
If you keep your left wrist bowed in the backswing the club stays square throughout the swing. When I take my club back the face is pointing out and slightly down, not up to the sky as you demonstrated. Therefore my body rotation delivers the face square to the ball.
Obviously haven’t seen your swing so can’t say, but I’d almost bet my house that the face isn’t square throughout, it may be less open like a DJ or similar, but still plenty of face rotation in there is my bet
Impressive ! Squaring the club face is an major subject. I hope you'll make some other videos like that about other " touchy" subjects. Thanks
Excellent demonstration Chris. Hopefully all those who doubted you will understand.
Thanks Brian🙏🏻
To say you have to 'learn' how to return it square is wrong... and thats why people dont get it... in the main its a natural thing... where you maybe have to teach rotation or lower your hip (examples) - this is a much more natural action.. however the consciousness you bring to it, especially in drilling to deliver open and closed is the thing that makes this video worthwhile... you are bringing a consciousness to something that is mainly natural but some dont have 'naturally' maybe... and for those that never thunked of it (because its natural) => its a useful tool
Chris, this makes sense. What I see others talking about is the method to square up. Twisting on the downswing is an example of squaring it differently. The question comes down to what the golfer can do based on skill set and comfort/physical capabilities. I certainly can’t bow my wrist like DJ and turn the way he does at age 58😊.
Am I understanding your point here? The approach you are recommending is a neutral grip and squaring post P6?
Yeah spot on, I didn’t cover too much about how to square it and the different methods, it exactly as you say the majority of golfers can’t do what DJ does with his wrist, it there are multiple ways to do it,
Chris, I see your point with a standard backswing and transition. However, wouldn’t a “twistaway” (hooding) of the club in the backswing, and maintaining it through t the strike negate the necessity to square the club into impact? Thank you.
He also has a grip which is absolutely not neutral lol
Thank you for that explanation. I'm tired of hearing it's all about rotation to square the face up.. makes me feel like I've been playing wrong all this time. Thanks
Thanks Juan 🙏🏻
Good vid Chris. Too many pros/coaches, even now, describe the position at the top of the backswing as square when the club is 'laid' on the swing/shaft plane. I don't think a lot of instructors realise the importance of choosing their words correctly. As golfers we have all wasted a lot of time following ideas that we have misunderstood. Far too much ambiguity in golf.
Completely agree and that position at the top is alway referred to as square, definitely a little confusing
Fantastic explanation! Hence why this is not an easy game. Thank you Chris
Incredibly difficult!! Thanks Scott
Totally agree & that drill is how I learnt it with a broom stick - great video
Thanks Chris, broomstick would be perfect for this drill, I should have used one!
Never commented on this channel before but I have been reading up about this "old vs new release" theory. I have to agree with you 100%. The whole idea that the body turn does all the work is frankly absurd from a body mechanics veiwpoint. OK, you don't want to get too flippy but you covered that in the end of the video. Nice one.
It’s crazy, I’ve heard it for years and as you say it’s just not true. Thanks for dropping a comment, really appreciate it 🙏🏻
Tried to ‘100% square swing’ for ages. It’s a load of crap. Have to rotate the club face just as you said Chris. Thank you for the drill as well, this is something I struggle with so appreciate it!
Thanks Sam, yeah not easy but with the right drills it can be learnt for sure
An astroturf doormap from the DIY store and foam balls, perfect £20 home set-up to practice this 100x a day. Also works for Chris' chipping lesson ;-). Yes it's still bloody snowing in Sweden.
Chris, can you also talk about how the hands (arms) move from the right theigh over to the left as well? Also, the hands moving in an arc and not on a straight line?
Yeah good topic, I’ll definitely look to shoot something on this
This has been the most helpful video that I’ve watched. I always wondered why I could never square the club face with my body 😂
Thanks Kevin 🙏🏻
In the final movement of the backswing, some golfers go OVER THE SHOULDER not behind the shoulder.
Interesting Chris, some golf tutors would argue the club face you describe as 'open' is actually square to square throughout the swing. Might just be interpretation or semantics. BTW, you have a great golf swing matey.
I’d agree that the terminology doesn’t help, when the face is open by 90 at the top of the backswing we often refer to that as square, probably doesn’t help and does throw some confusion in there
Shouldn’t the club face be square to the swing arc or parallel to the spine and then have a throw release? Many will say that the face is closed, but it seems like the majority of professionals are doing this as it requires less timing.
I love your videos soo this is a pure question - what if you “bow” your wrist in the back swing likeColin, or Jon rahm or Tommy Fleewood - that way it’s square as you rotate thru 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Yeah plenty of golfers recently with that bowed wrist look, face still rotates open a lot, just a little less. If you do the demonstration that I did in this vid stoop upright and the face rotates open by 90, then try to bow your wrist to put the face back to vertical it’s near damn impossible, wrist will only change face boy about 15 degrees or so
I think you're right with weak, neutral, and slightly strong grips, but I don't think it's the case with very strong lead hand grips (and maybe trail hand grips, though I don't have as much experience with those). Take Azinger's grip. In his swing, his clubface is in the same relationship to the swing path, throughout the swing, until after the ball is hit.
Hey Mike, yeah there are extreme cases, outliers and always will be, but even his club face would open some amount, just not as much as others
@@ChrisRyanGolf In their early days, Azinger and Daly were probably outliers, and people looked at my grip in the 90s pretty oddly, but these days, grips are getting a lot stronger more commonly. Teachers like Shawn Clement and Kelvin Miyahira compare a super strong grips to karate chops and knife blades. And, strong grips are all over long drive events. From my own experience, the advantage of a strong grip has been being able to swing out of my shoes without having to worry about squaring the clubface.
Great lesson Chris! Thank you! 😍👏
Thanks Janice 🙏🏻
2.16 - I’ve learnt to hit wedges up to 60 yards very accurately with that motion
Nice little shot to have in the locker 😁
Great video. Curious which video was the "controversial" one from a few months ago being referenced here. Could someone link it or give the title at least?
Thanks Andrew, the video that got the most push back was when a clip was posted on Instagram, I think the main video was back end of last year on TH-cam
« You are the golfer, you are responsible.. » too rare of a language on TH-cam … Thanks Chris.
So, answer this question:
Do the hands have to SLOW DOWN through impact?
… to allow the clubhead catch up 🤷🏼♂️
Good stuff, Chris 👍🏻
Keep up there good work ⛳️🏌️♂️
p.s. Isn’t that the purpose of an IMPACT BAG? 🤔
… to learn how to square the clubface through impact?
Yes absolutely, hands slow down a lot through the hit to allow the club to catch up and pass 🙏🏻
For me, the best way to work on this is to practice hitting 40-50yd pitch shots over and over again. Since you're not taking the club back any further than the last parallel you're working on takeaway and squaring the club through impact. If I start my practice session with a healthy amount of pitching, my full swing benefits.
Agreed always a good idea to keep it a little simpler when learning something new 🙏🏻
I’m a relatively new golfer and this is what I’ve understood what needs to happen anyway. Yes the turn, the shoulders, the hips are all relative but this to me is basic golf 101 isn’t it 🤓
It should be 🤣. Really surprised me how many said that you should keep the club square throughout the swing….. works well…. With a putter 😁
I heard you say that it happens in a millisecond and it’s incredibly difficult (5:30) and you have to work on timing…. Not my swing thought. I suggest others don’t follow this train of thought.
The AMG guys myth busted this as well a while back. There are degrees of how much arm rotation you need depending on grip, how bowed your wrist angles are etc, but even grand master DJ himself (the one they always mention) has plenty of arm rotation in his release.
Love those guys, they provide some great content
Thanks for this. Is it easier to square the club with weaker grip as it promotes more left arm rotation for golfers that need it?!
I think a neutral grip would be the easiest to work with, but as with so many things it will be very individual, some may find a weaker grip easier to work with, some stronger, but neutral is in my opinion your best bet
Chris can you explain what happens when pro golfers start to bow their left wrist in the down swing and what impact this has on their release through impact please
Hey Peter, yeah so bowing the wrist closes the face a little, so they have less ‘work’ to do into impact, they still have to square the face with the arms but less to do if they bow the wrist
Mike Malaska covered this on Be Better Golf channel yesterday
Love Mike, great coach 🙏🏻
Yes, and he also demonstrated the short shots drill left, right and straight. Best way to warm up before a round. Get a feel for the hands and wrist. Good stuff!
100% agree, and its a speed producer too, for free 👊👊
It is, and who doesn’t want a little more speed for free
To put in shortly, I just love you Chris!))))
🤩thanks Andrey, hope you are good
Opens 90 degrees referenced to what? Stays square to swing arc?
Open to it’s starting position and 90 degrees open to the arc of the swing too in the latter part of the backswing
What is Dustin Johnson doing at the top of his backswing….looks like the face is shut to keep from having to square the face as you are prescribing?
Hey Luis, yes he definitely has a different wrist and face position, and more of a trend towards that recently. In this vid I said the fade opened by 90, in a swing like DJ it still opens, a lot! But maybe by 70 or 75, so still a lot of work to do into impact 🏌🏼♂️
Hey Chris, Love the videos. What about the bowed wrist like Collin Morikawa? That way we don't have to be concerned with timing?
If there was no timing then Collin would hit it dead straight every time along with every other player that plays with a bowed wrist!
I've watched Colin's slo-mo swing and it looks like he has the club square immediately on the downswing, not just at the impact point. His wrist flexion is nuts.
Yeah I’d say the bowed wrist move that we see a fair bit can help, but it only contributes a small amount the the squaring of the face. If the face opens by 90 then bowing the wrist can reduce that to maybe 80 or so, means there is less to do but still a lot of work to do
Trying to keep the club face from rotating in the backswing has cost me many years or bad golf!!
A few others too I’d guess
Well done Chris 👏
Thanks Roy 🙏🏻
The other element is forward shaft lean- handle forward at impact creates an open face that needs to be compensated for, all else being equal.
Very true, great to have the shaft leant forwards, but as you say you have to compensate for that
I've only been learning 3 years, & now have had breakthroughs in my learning & I understand that these clubs are engineered to square on their own. With the proper grip you then allow the club to do its job at impact rather than working against the club trying to manufacture an artificially unnaturally squared club face. The technology of the head of the golf club was not mentioned once, for me being a newer golfer but now understanding how things work, this style of instruction is somewhat misleading. Why turn the club head when it's designed to turn with natural gravity on its own. Explaining Equipment needs to be better reviewed by most online instructors IMO. no disrespect just an observation. Likely I missed that video.
Disagree sorta kinda. You seem to be forgetting the crucial bowed wrist aspect that everyone talks about which is what squares the face so that you can just rotate through... right?
Which is pretty much the same thing that you're talking about except it reduces the amount that you have to time the turning over of your hands right? you set the wrist turn as you initiate the down swing and then hold it the whole way through impact zone. Less flippy, more consistent. Would love to hear your response tho
Though in a sense I do agree with you, I swing how you are describing and that in most cases is what is required and is why golf is so hard. you have to be athletic and execute the difficult timed motion to hit it straight.
Yeah bowing the wrist does offset this a touch, but only a small amount. In this vid I said the face opens around 90 degrees, someone like DJ who is probably the most extreme case still opens it but maybe only 70 or so, so yeah reduces it a little
@@ChrisRyanGolf Gotcha, great stuff!
No golfer knows this because it’s never taught…….. very clearly explained Chris
May very well be true Andy 🙏🏻
Sadly, I am a serial caster at the top of my back swing so my struggle is actually keeping my wrists cocked to the right point.
Plenty out there who struggle with that, can he because the face is even more open than 90 and it’s your way to square it, worth checking
Simple but effective
Really good stuff Chris keep the tips coming 👍
Thanks James 🙏🏻
There is still a huge misunderstanding......you are squaring the leading edge to the target line. There is a difference between the leading edge and club face. Squaring the club face is having the club face 90 degrees to the target line. The club face is vertical to the target line the ball will start left and move left. The intent is to have the club face vertical( 90 degrees) to the swing line it creates the correct dynamic loft and start direction of the ball.
Agree with everything you said 🙏🏻
@@ChrisRyanGolf really enjoying your style teaching!
Thing is though, when the club is straight back (horizontal) the face should actually be about 20deg or so closed, not open 90deg like what you are showing. Your 90 open face at that position is from 20 year old teaching (and older) before all of the body measuring dynamics have taken hold. We now know better.
Agreed there would be references as to where the face should be, plenty more great golfer with it slightly less open than slightly more. Guess in this vidoe I was addressing the concept rather than specifically looking at the ideal position
Chris, I blame the teaching industry. I have seen countless TH-cam videos espousing maximum rotation to solely square the club face
So true Jeff, at the end of the day it’s down to the golfer to get that club back to where it needs to be, the majority of that is done with hands and arms 🙏🏻
Yep. The only way to set the club properly at the top is to naturally allow the lead forearm to rotate, and the right forearm to be thrown back 90* above the right elbow. Most amateurs never feel this move, because they’re too stiff and worried about the clubface. You have to learn to let go of some of that “control” feeling, if you want effortless speed, and consistent strike.
Very true Jamie 🙏🏻
I thought you hinged the wrist in the back swing as opposed to cocking it, yep another confused amateur golfer here🤦
All the people complaining about this are the same guys who play once a month or so spend thousands of dollars on training aids that do nothing and they can’t break 90!
Haha, soooo true 🙏🏻
Logic is a bitch, very well explained Chris Ryan, good stuff 👍
Thanks 🙏🏻
??????? What?
👍👍👍👍🙏🙏
Terrible advice. Do you really think any pro is thinking about squaring the face? Look at Matsuyama or JT. Do they look like they have time to do that? All you have to do is pull the grip thru the impact zone. The release is automatic.
This video was to highlight the fact that the face opens going back and you as the golfer need to do something to square it, wasn’t an in depth look at how you square it, plus pulling up on the handle does not automatically square the face, could not be more untrue 🙏🏻
@@ChrisRyanGolf understood. And thank you for the response. You are right. It must square up. But if you look at the pros from behind, they have a hockey slap type move thru impact. All they are doing is bringing everything back down intact. You can see it more clearly from above or behind.
@@ChrisRyanGolf I tried to link a short video with Arnold Palmer from above. I don’t think it showed up.
I like your channel and always have Chris but you have just led many average golfers to a flip swing. I know what your intention was, but you need to be careful with what you’re dealing with. Especially since you were roasted for your squaring the club face original video when you were obviously correct. You should have included shaft lean, or you’ll have a country full of flippers, or maybe more of a country full of flippers. lol
Hey Nelson, appreciate your comments but not sure I fully agree. This video was on the topic of club face rotation and the fact that there is a skill involved with squaring it and highlighting that you as the golfer needs to do that, not sure how that information leads to a flip? Agreed you need shaft lean, but you also need a pretty early weight shift, some rotation, a good kinematic sequence etc, I can’t include all of those into a short video otherwise I lose the viewer. Which part of the video do you feel would cause a flip?
@@ChrisRyanGolf okay, I’ve been around the block and am sure of what I tell you. Do as you wish but the part where you correct the 90 degrees and your hands are even with the ball. lol
@@ChrisRyanGolf Don't waste your time engaging with trolls, Chris. They know everything about the golf swing. I find it interesting that they are watching videos on golf tips 🤔
@@slowlyrusting4044 😁 thanks, I’m all for discussion but yep may be best to leave this one now
@@nelsonjames1272 well that tone has changed! 😳. Discussion I’m all for, but this one may be best for me to leave alone 🙏🏻
Thumbs down for impact.
Thumbs start pointing down at setup. Best to position thumbs down for impact.
What a brilliant video Chris, superbly done ✅ 👍🏌️♂️
Thanks so much 🙏🏻