360 magnum cam upgrade (shelf cam to custom grind)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2022
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original cam 20-746-9
216/224 .506 lift 114 lobe separation
www.summitracing.com/parts/cc...
new cam
236/242 .544 .557 110 lobe separation
236xr
stores.hi-potek.com/hipotek-h...
crank socket
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My friend and I both have Magnums in our second gen Rams. We both have the 318, I have a 94 and he has a 96. One of the things we found out was that his motor is capable of grinding its own cam profiles! My motor has been hydro locked three times and continues to tick on with 190,000 miles
Lol 😂 nice
It's nice that you checked the piston to valve clearance.
There's still a lot of people out there who assume that the old 318/360 LA engine is basically just like the 5.2/5.9L Magnum engines. The don't realize the Magnum engines are interference engines. The valve can hit the piston if the timing chain skips a couple teeth. That's kind what I'm dealing with right now. The timing chain jumped a couple teeth in my brother's 2000 Durango. Couldn't find a good used 5.9L Magnum. Had to get a remanufactured engine. This never would have happened if he stopped driving when it when it started losing power,engine was making a racket. The check engine light was on. It was basically telling him to stop driving it, yet he kept driving anyway. Welp??........that was a $4000.00 mistake. Piston hit the valve & shattered the #1 piston.
Looking forward to the dyno results. Sounds great!
Thank you!
I really like your sense of exploration. Your content is great and I highly value your content for the Magnum V8 and machine working. Keep it up brother.
Thank you!
@@thomasbeyer so now if i was to build u a special system that i first created & invented for my 1989/1990 ford thunder supercoupes for ur truck & installed it & tune it with a lap top for ur truck that now has a bigger cam u will be making over 450 whp..& i am building another one for my 1998 honda prelude. My system invention prototype does more then just make more horsepower it improve 's. The fuel mileage & helps the engine run cooler & will not over heat or blow coolant lines..& i also have more then one system i invented ..one o invented off my 1986 RX-7 & was 4 my 1990 nissan 240 that i could never bring home to my own family garage because of a jealouse sore losing family member that into motorcycle & GM's...cause it out performs there motorcycle & GM.. same they happen in high school auto shop with my first FORD..& i got kick out & band from auto shop for fight back & standing up 4 my self against a bunch of GM & john deer bully azz wipes that were rich & were on the same football team i was on.. & i left the team after one of them almost killed me in the high school parking lot..i was a running back.but left the team cause i did not want to play with rich bullies & got into to autoshop to move on cause i been into building RC's sense i was a baby boy..i will never give up & will not back down from bullies..
Good work buddy, I hope it runs as good as it sounds 👍
Thanks man. We will go for a ride next week. It really needs slicks
Hello friend, thank you for the very interesting and informative videos on the available magnum improvements, we are happy to watch your videos in Russia with translation in subtitles together with the bear and ride for vodka on durango with magnum 360, study and plan improvements. Good luck to you and all the best!
That is awesome!! Thank you
Sounds really nice!! 😊
Thank you
I’ve been running a Hughes HAER0814AL on 112 LSA in my Ramcharger since 2009. .512/.520 with Hughes valve springs/retainers and keepers. About 20k on it. It’s actually about to go into my Duster for a while as I rewire the truck. The 340’s cam is going flat (got impatient during Covid and used comp lifters, bad idea)
Hope to have a similiar build in my 85 W150. Truck sounds great. And it looks like you are just north of me in Chatt.
Thank you. Yeah I'm not too far away.
Yes wet shot, jet sizes fuel.36,nitrous.63
Awesome dude
Awesome 👍 really digging the content. Thanks for the upload. I was going to try the UTA 450 roller cam. I have the SCT tuner, and1.7 Harlands, with the VPR Kegger plate, with a very well done port job on the Kegger.
Thank you! That sounds like a pretty good combo. That will run good
Thanks!
Thank you
I set the point angle at 0.
weak on launch, but on high it's better.
Yeah Thomas!
I have owned one of these and Jen since 1994 when it was brand new… I have gone through the whole engine, balancing and blue printing it.. performance cam new EQ heads, the super expensive Hughes rockers…. These engines just don’t make a lot of power. I would imagine if you stroked it probably so…. for the most part, it takes a lot of effort just to get a little more power than stock out of it…. For anybody wanting to build one of the intentions if you can do an engine swap, go that route….. would probably be better off doing an old-school 440..
Man it sounds amazing!!! I’m goin to pep up my 1500 5.2l 🤦🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
It's well worth it.
Nice
Right on , i wish i had went one size up like you jus did with the cam.. we pretty much had same size cams until now that you changed yours.. good to know i can go up to that size now if i want to in future .. you did a great job 👍it sounds really good much more the sound we like 👍an should help in hps as well .. be curious how much an then porting out the air gap im even more curious 👍 thanks for sharing i really enjoyed this video well done 👍💯
Thank you! If you get to looking for springs to run a cam this size, check out UTAwesome he's got a nice spring package. I believe they hit coil blind at .620 and this cam gets close with the 1.7 rocker's.
@@thomasbeyer so now if i was to build u a special system that i first created & invented for my 1989/1990 ford thunder supercoupes for ur truck & installed it & tune it with a lap top for ur truck that now has a bigger cam u will be making over 450 whp..& i am building another one for my 1998 honda prelude. My system invention prototype does more then just make more horsepower it improve 's. The fuel mileage & helps the engine run cooler & will not over heat or blow coolant lines..& i also have more then one system i invented ..one o invented off my 1986 RX-7 & was 4 my 1990 nissan 240 that i could never bring home to my own family garage because of a jealouse sore losing family member that into motorcycle & GM's...cause it out performs there motorcycle & GM.. same they happen in high school auto shop with my first FORD..& i got kick out & band from auto shop for fight back & standing up 4 my self against a bunch of GM & john deer bully azz wipes that were rich & were on the same football team i was on.. & i left the team after one of them almost killed me in the high school parking lot..i was a running back.but left the team cause i did not want to play with rich bullies & got into to autoshop to move on cause i been into building RC's sense i was a baby boy..i will never give up & will not back down from bullies..
Just FYI if you have FI you don’t really want a radical idle on a good performing cam. That radical lope comes mainly from LSA. Lobe Separation Angle is increased on carb engines to help with scavenging. You don’t need that with FI.
That comp would be a good candidate to have Oregon cam regrind it to an even larger profile.
That's not a bad idea. Do you happen to know the cost of that?
@@thomasbeyer $160 it's what I do with my stock LA rollers and mags. Do you have Facebook or a way to contact you?
@@aaronbarnes8938 facebook.com/thomas.beyer.127?mibextid=ZbWKwL
@@aaronbarnes8938 that's not bad at all. I've been considering getting an even bigger cam then the one I put in that video that might be my way to do it without breaking the bank.
Nice vid. How about compression ratio with the bigger cam ?
the hp turners works with 5.9 dodges, here the dodge dakota came with 5.2 liters.
the mpvi2 device does. they are getting hard to find tho
Hell yea brother now that is sounding really awesomely mean..like mine lol. Suprized u haven't left a comment on my to RT video's on my channel
Also with the new cam your running is that also with the stock torque converter,any mods to the transmission yet? And how's the engine vacuum at idle,any loses for accessories etc?
I hope you have the right valve springs in...
I sure do...
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The cam isnt too small, it wants TIGHTER LSA.
Ewwww buddy she sounds great! I'd be happy with a cam that hit like that even if it only made 5 more HP as long as it didn't loose any lmao 😂. She's choppin away now 👌
Thanks man. Its worth it you get to enjoy the sound at every stop.
@@thomasbeyer yes sir
I went to the window and looked at the bird feeder to see what all the chirping going on was all about.....coming from PC. LOL
Lol got em
I didn't notice how loud the birds and bugs were till I was editing
@@thomasbeyer Fire it up, What birds? 😂
@@TheProchargedmopar lol the neighbors love it
@@thomasbeyer they will shut the f up once u fire that awesome beast up..it's not nasty. It's awesome man
I wish I could understand this lol how’d you figure this out? And are you gonna do anything with the computer like tune it?
The old cam that was in it would it be a good cam for a stock motor as in stock heads pistons and intake?
I have a 96 5.9 I really want my truck to sound like this mannnn 😢
Just checked out the specs on a 746 cam... way too wide. Leaving alot of power on the table. Youll be much happier with a tighter lsa. It not what we want its what the engine wants. Just 2 degrees off the proper lsa and the engine could suffer 30lbs/ft torque all the way to 3500. Proper Lsa allows the engine to breathe properly through the entire RPM range and is cubic inch and valve size dependant along with other minor factors. 128-cui÷8÷2.02×.91. This calculation works for sbc and mopars at 10.5:1. David vizard dynod over 20k engines to come up with this formula. Every engine needs specific LSA combined with specific overlap depending on the engine operation, 60 degrees overlap is fine for the street. Less than that if you dont want choppy idle a d need lots of vacuum. More if you are looking for a screamer and dont care about vacuum. The formula for advertised duration is LSA + (overlap÷2) ×2. The faster you can open the valve the better as long as the valvetrain remains stable. For every 1 point drop in compression..tighten Lsa 1 degree. For every point higher in rocker ratio ..widen lsa 1 degree. This will get you the best cam for your engine PERIOD. Hope this helps,. Youre buying HP correct... so dont just buy a shelf cam because you think it'll work good, the engine doesnt care what we think. Stock cams are often superior and can be ground to better suit your application.
He replaced the 746 cam with the 236/242 .544 .557 110 lobe separation 236xr as it says in the description. I believe it made over 50 more horsepower on the dyno a month later
I'm refreshing my 5.2 soon and will degree the factory cam as I've heard it's retarded 🤪...I have a 9 keyway double roller set with a 3.9 tensioner
Hi how are you.
I've been looking at the voltage on my map sensor.
the haynes manual states the following. full throttle closed 1.0 to 1.5 volts and full open 4.5 volts problaby because the vacuum changed.
do you think this could be the problem?
Looking forward to the dyno, just curious as to what valve springs are you running? PAC1286??
I bought the spring kit from UTAwesome
What's the max lift with out upgrading the computer?, heard that the motor idles out of the map sensor any bigger lift would take off vacuum and mess with the idle.
hello what do you think about COMP Cams Xtreme Energy Retrofit Camshafts 20-811-9?
Im subbed and glued.
What did you do with the old cam? Do you have any recommendations for the biggest cam I could go with that would be compatible a super chip and 1.72rr scorpions? I have the Mopar M1 intake manifold. Oddly they stop making them the year after I bought it I believe. It's no race engine but it definitely runs better than when it was all factory. I went with the 24-pound injectors a couple years ago also. I didn't catch what you were using.
Your channel looks crazy. I haven't watched the videos yet but it looks like you're doing 8 speeds too.💣 Wow mon
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The old cam is still sitting in a box. Without head work the old cam I have is about all you do with higher ratio rocker arms. Somewhere around.510 is coil bind with stock springs and retainers. I believe. Iv got 52lb ls3 injectors in mine and iv tuned it with HP tuners. Yeah Iv got the 8 speed in progress. Iv got to spend the money to get the controller and a driveshaft and get it back on the road.
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hell yea brother!!!! Keep it country n rock n roll... like hell yea!!!!! they couldn't beat me if they wanted too!! Im sure u heard of that song by hell yell!! If not well now u do. Lol.. do not make ur v8 less loud!!!I will not be making my awesome RT super beast less loud & less awesome..man i will be bring the awesome ground pounding v8 noise when ever i feel like it.
I think that triangular air filter setup might be hurting you, I saw testing on one of those made less power than a stock air box setup for an old sbc so being of newer design I am sure the stock Dakota rt intake setup flows more than a factory sbc air box and a paper filter.
That's only on for street driving. If you watch any of the Dyno videos or drag strip video there is no air cleaner or air cleaner base on it at all. Haven't wanted to spend the time or money working on a good naturally aspirated filter setup because its gonna get boost soon.
@@thomasbeyer That makes sense, based on what I've seen you do I should have assumed such. Great build and great content! I am about to do my second kegger mod/tb mod and your videos gave me some ideas of things I didn't do last time (2012). The first truck was OBD2 and the one I'm doing now is OBD1, trying to decide whether I should delete egr, and whether I should notch the crank position sensor. The truck will get 3923s, 180therm, relocated iat sensor since I won't be tuning. Hope that new cam works great for ya!
@@zacharybeetham7318 thank you. Nice! how many degrees of timing do you think you can get with notching?
If anything I knew that u would love that nasty idle that it has , it damn sure sounds good and if you pulled up beside anything at a redlight it would be intimidating enough that they will probably not mess with ya. Ive got a 347 in a 79 pinto and it chops hard like that and ive had new corvettes and Camaros pull up and here it then take off like a 98 yr old lady trying not to incite a race 😂🤣 it made 422rwhp last time I took it to the dyno. I have a quick video of it if you want to see it , and I believe that there's more in it, i got some better valve springs because I think that i had valve float because it should have peaked higher than 5700 and I had some really warped rims and the driveshaft had bad u joints on it which may have hurt it as well but all of it is fixed now except for the springs
I love the chop! I had a turbo Chevy Cruze and a 370z try and gap me yesterday lol they didn't have any luck. I pulled the Cruze still spinning in 1st lol.
@@thomasbeyer 😂🤣😂🤣 hell yeah that's badass, give those Chevy guys hell . That's too cool💪😎
@@thomasbeyer what was you driving that gapped them? Was it the Dakota? If so that's really cool and can you tell if the big cam helped the power any?
@@79beans347 the Dakota. I can tell it's lost some very low RPM but it comes on hard mid to top end now.
@@thomasbeyer sweet, that's where u want it anyway because it will never be in the 1000-1500 rpm range while racing anyway so it will be right where you want it WOT 😂
The brakes work
Just barely enough vacuum but the brake booster still works
How many inches of vac
Whats that intake filter called? I like the look of it
Edelbrock 1002 Pro-Flo Air Cleaner a.co/d/jcxfu8d
The Comp Cam you removed, the specs look pretty good for a stock truck engine, did it work well for things like towing and just driving and on the distributor gear, did you have to run a bronze dist gear or are the Comp Cams such that you can run the stock steel gear? I'm asking all these questions because I'm looking at replacing a 318 LA engine with a 360 Magnum. Thanks.
Yes it was a great truck cam. No felt lose in low end and still pulled past 6000rpm. I ran my stock gears.
Interested in selling the old cam?😊
@@thomasbeyer Thanks
instaled height 1620
full open 1332
? What cam are you running that's that small? Don't forget to multiply cam lift by your rocker ratio.
I wanted to put something around 6 degrees in advance but I'm afraid because I use nitrous oxide
I run around 4 degrees advanced it won't hurt anything
@@thomasbeyer with oxide nitrous?
so can i put 4 degrees? my ECU will accept this angle???
I don't need to open my injectors for more flow?
i have 150 shot oxide nitrous
thank you very much for your help and sorry for my bad english
Yes a little advanced on the injection timing will help for performance. If your running a wet kit you should be fine. If not then it will need some tuning. I'm not that familiar with nitrous. 150 seems like a lot of it's a dry kit.
NASTY, HELL YA.
Thanks!
honestly I don't think the compcam 20-746-9 is aggressive enough to change the springs. I say this because the difference between it and the original is minimal.
Could it be that the springs just don't hold up?
0.403 stock cam exhaust lift, 0.390 stock cam intake
compcam 0.506 exhaust lift and same for intake.
what dou think about this ???
The stock springs will hit coil bind at around .500 some say it's .480.others say .510
@@thomasbeyer I've got the 20-746-9 in mine with over 20k miles on stock springs, so I'd say close or a cunt hair above .510
Do you have Harland sharp non-adjustable roller rockers or adjustable roller rockers cuz I've been wanting to do a cam swap on mine
Non adjustable
@@thomasbeyer thanks for your knowledge. I've got em in mine. Been wanting a cam. Now I'm going to get 1 thanks.
Would this cam fit on a 1996 Dodge Ram 1500 5.9 magnum ?
It fits mine with UTAwesome's spring kit. But Idk about piston to valve clearance. IV got pistons with valve reliefs.
hey how are you, cant find the spring kit, did you remenber the part number ???
thanks
utawesomeperformance.com/store/p30/Magnum_Beehive_Valvesprings_and_retainers.html
Great vids keep'em coming. Question I have is I'm considering using 20-746-9 cam you took out for my daily driven RT, although comp recommended the 20-745-9 but since I'm rebuilding my engine and thought to buy the Edelbrock Magnum heads I figured might as well try to go as big as I can on a street able set up for daily driving. Would you recommend doing that combo? I see in this video with your stock upgraded heads it worked well, but also worked with the new cam(which I love the sounds)so in a nut she'll is it even worth spending over 2k for heads to be used with a mild Cam? Value your opinion and knowledge 🤗
My ported heads outflow the Edelbrocks out of the box so I don't know if it will perform exactly the same it should do pretty decent though plus more compression from the 58cc combustion chambers. I would get a little more aggressive cam than the 20-746-9 or a cam that's close but with a 110 LSA instead of the 114 the 20-746-9 gives. My new cam made 65 more horsepower. I was stuck at 300 horse before seemed like no matter what I did that was all that cam would make. It did have excellent Street manners tho. My new cam bucked a little bit with a stock converter and I went to a 2400 stall and that solve that problem. And with the 2400 I really can't tell it's not a stock converter. It drives great.
Great thanks for replying,so any recommendations as far as heads and is rocker ratios going to be a preference or should I consider a specific ratio to compliment the cam and heads(sorry don't mean to take much of your time but your spot on with your videos and very informative) or am I heading in the right direction,and is there a duration above your old cam I should consider for daily (no racing jus power when needed for fun) driving with good street manners?
@@andrewmiddleton7544 stores.hi-potek.com/hipotek-hpt218xr-xtreme-hydraulic-roller-camshaft-dodge-5-2-5-9-318-360-magnum/
@@andrewmiddleton7544 if you're going with edelbrock's I'd stick with the 1.6 ratio rockers. But you have to go to the Chevy style stud mounts with edelbrock heads and they claim max lift of .580. you would need to get a valve spring upgrade to go above.510 with the stock head. That's what I did I used a utawesome beehive spring kit good for around.620 I believe.
@@thomasbeyer thanks again appreciate your reply,and help 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
hi im stay here in my garage, i will put 4 degree on distributor right?? set this number on scanner.
question, the pcm will be acept??
Yes
cant use the stock pcm with comp cam 20-746-9 ???
I do not know
So upgrading the cam what else needs to be upgraded to run good?
Cam, valve springs, definitely will need tuned with any decent sized cam. Possibly slightly larger injectors too. But that's the bare minimum. If you get a cam like I put in mine you're going to need a slightly higher stall converter. Mine bucked just a little bit with the stock converter.
What length push rods did you run with the 20-746-9 cam? Tried to upgrade my camshaft this weekend but I ordered too short of push rods 6.800". Using stock rocker arms.
6.900 I believe. I ran it with the stock pushrods. When I went to upgrade I got the same length just hardened.
@@thomasbeyer thank you. I can slap it together with stocks push rods and change it out when I get the new pushrods in.
@@thomasbeyer I got my camshaft install finished. I was wonder if you had the jtec tune file of the camshaft you removed still and if you could email it to me? I installed the 20-746-9 cam. Im just looking for a reference point. I will also be using hp tuners.
@@02rtjawn that's awesome.sorry I can't give out my tunes. I do remote tuning.
@@thomasbeyer ok makes sense. I found a place that has experience tuning jtecs so I will have them take care of it. Thanks!
You may have a video that I haven't seen how hard is it to put the distributer back in?
If you watched the part where I timed the intermediate shaft that's the important part. After that it's a 50/50 shot on having it stabbed in the right spot. But if you put it on #1 compassion stroke you just line the rotor up.with the #1 marking on the cap. And your good to go.
@@thomasbeyer thanks man
The factory CPU is way off for performance. Swapping parts without getting this correct seems silly.
Yeah? You are correct which is why I use HP tuners and have several Dyno and tuning videos.
Where did you have the cam grind done and what springs? Any head machine work necessary?
I ordered the cam through hipotek and the spring package came from UTAwesome no machine work necessary.
can you post the cam card specs for us im interested in this cam profile for my truck almost exactly the same im running and m1 4 barrel though.
Yes, I will post the numbers in the description later on, and add a link to where I bought it
@@thomasbeyer thank you
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hey how's it going.
I installed the new cam and new springs. But the engine is weak and dying.
put all the stock timming marks .
the distributor is marking 0 degrees on the scanner, wouldn't it be better to advance the point a little ??? thank you
I always run them a little bit advanced but it's not the ignition you're changing your changing injection angle with the distributor.
If cams timed right then maybe it's just running rich. Does it run good under acceleration?
Say,.. my question is when, you push down on Valve Springs without any real force.. I'd like to know if this is correct to see done without having to use a Valve Spring Compressor..??.. I didn't think that was possible to do with your thumb..??..
I only used my thumb with the light weight test springs. I used a lever style spring compressor to get the regular springs off. My camera died while I was doing that.
this kind
www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_7769094
Did you just tap and plug the water pump???
Yes
Did you need springs with that camshaft? And can you tell me the part number for the pushrod and the springs you got :))
utawesomeperformance.com/store/p30/Magnum_Beehive_Valvesprings_and_retainers.html
Yes you need springs. Here are the springs I got. I used to stock push rods for a while and then just got stock length push rods I believe from trick flow.
@@thomasbeyer do you know how will the comp cam 207459 ? Will it have some chop to it ?
@@1mad_bug it might have a little lope it's smaller than my original cam it's going to be fairly soft.
Hey buddy what compression is your motor
10.5
Hi, good afternoon, how are you?
I bought the camshaft brand compcam 207469.
Do you think I need to change the springs or can I use the original ones.
thanks
Change the springs. Utawesome has a nice setup
ok i will thank you very much
No problem
@@thomasbeyer did you remender wich spring did y use??? summit part? thanks
He only has one spring package on his site.
What headers are those? New cam specs?
th-cam.com/video/cAnXwDWOi2A/w-d-xo.html
What’s the part number for the crank tuner socket thanks
Comp cams 4799
@@thomasbeyer thanks
What tires are you running like size wise ?????
275/40zr17 front 255/50zr17 in the rear. I'm not a big fan of the shorter front tire I'll probably go 255/50zr17 in the front next time and get something a bit taller for the back.
@@thomasbeyer they don’t make 255/50 any more
@@Moose0perator www.jegs.com/i/Nitto/726/211230/10002/-1
Did you dyno it? What did it make?
@@somewhatfast I did it made 365hp and I believe 370 torque. I was assisting on a dyno day so I had not have planned to make a video so I never made one.
@thomasbeyer jeesh that's pretty good!!! So it's pretty stock minus intake, headers and a big cam?
What kinda valve springs are you using?
utawesomeperformance.com/store/p30/Magnum_Beehive_Valvesprings_and_retainers.html
@@thomasbeyer hey the aftermarket valves come with retainers and valve locks? Thank you for replying!
@@finestoffreedom3170 they don't that I know of.
@@thomasbeyer what did you use? I’m curious if I can use stock retainers
@@finestoffreedom3170 ohhh yes the aftermarket springs come with everything you need.
5 deggres too much?
As long as it's not throwing a check engine it'll be ok
Any interest in selling the old cam?
Not really if I did sell it I'd want 350 and shipping
What radiator are you running?
Stock radiator for now
@@thomasbeyer really. I will look into that I don't have the cap on mine mine is the sealed style with the cap in-between the hose and block
@@seanbroussard2160 the later year Dakota's had that. IV considered going to the newer style it is a better system I believe. But for now I'm staying with this one so I have more room for an intercooler in front of it. Yours sits under the core support where mine is behind it.
@@thomasbeyer ahh I gotcha thanks for the info
Are you from TN?
Yes I am
@@thomasbeyer
Where abouts in TN are you??? I live in Columbia myself.
@@jimsmirh2406 Cleveland
Wanna sell the old cam?
I'm thinking about it
I've run 10's with that barely better than a kegger.
My truck ran low 8s
Listen,,shut up, listen just listen