5.7 HEMI Camshaft and lifter replacement (part 1)
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- Well I wish that it was going to be just a coil pack but who am I kidding? It’s 2020! The Dodge HEMI 5.7 valve lifters and the camshaft seem to be failing all over the place. Just look at TH-cam. Chrysler must know about this. I can’t imagine what it would cost to recall the lifters in all the cars and trucks out there. It really is too bad that there are a lot of people out there, myself included, that are going out and buying vehicles that have just a slight tick in the engine. In my opinion that slight tick is the beginning of an expensive repair. I love getting my hands dirty fixing things. I love the challenge of figuring things out. I also love the fact that there are so many great TH-camrs out there that we can rely on to help us out when we get stuck! I know that I made a lot of references to TH-cam while working on this project! I wish you the best of luck in all your projects and thanks for watching!
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Boy, that's a helluva job in itself, let alone in a truck, especially the way the v8 is tucked way back under the cowl like that. Good job.
Thanks! I suppose the saving grace was that after the radiators and fans were removed there was actually room to stand in the engine compartment.😉
Yeah he did an amazing job...
Only a few minutes in to the video but whatever song you used over the time lapse is catchy as hell
😂 glad you like it! It played in my head during my morning coffee for two weeks after I spent 12 hours editing.
It kinda sounds like a jazzed up Megalovania
@@blacknightgaming8987 it is that
I'm a retired master and i own a Magnum R/T with 220,000 miles on it. I have the lifter tick starting but it hasn't evolved into a misfire yet. Ever since I bought it when it had 200,000, I installed the Prolong engine treatment and raised the base idle with a Diablo tuner. I really believe that these engines when driven on the highway, don't have this issue. I swear by Prolong but it's just a question of how much time it gives me before I have to attend this party too lol.
Whatever you do, don't idle for too long too often. I've done my research and that's what the problem with the Hemi is. Crankshaft doesn't throw enough oil onto the camshaft and lifter when idling, which in turn cause the knocking over time. Like you said, it doesn't happen when driving because the crankshaft at higher RPMs lubricates the cam and lifters.
Edit:
I just re-read your comment, what is that you say about Raising the base idle? I'm not too mechanically inclined but like asking questions lol
I bought a Charger RT with the performance package. It is a 2007 and i have babied it since new. It only has 75k easy miles . Never raced and always did the timely maintenance . The other day i went out and started it up to go to the store and the lifter is ticking very loudly. This car is pristine inside and out and i am so bummed about this. I had heard all the horror stories but never thought i would have the same problem at only 75k easy miles, but she is ticking like the time bomb she is now. It really sucks as i am an old man who was expecting to die before she did. I cannot afford to pay so much either as i am on a small fixed income. I love my Charger, but if i am ever able to buy another new car it won't be a damned Chrysler. Thank you for the video.
I have a 07 charger as well with the same issue, what did you end up doing with the charger?
For everyone wondering how long it takes to do this job, it took me 4 hrs to take everything apart and 6 to put it back together. I'm a mechanic so it was my first time doing one of these. A 2017 ram with 107000 miles. About $2000 on Mopar parts, just hope it lasts a little longer this time!
Wow watching you working in real time must be like watching me work in time lapse. 😂
Thanks for watching 😉
Was your truck making ticking noise bad?
It was a little loud and misfiring
What kindve misfire like when idle a small vibrate?
My 19 ram 1500 is doing this bs, has 128,000kms on it. It's needing new cam, lifters and gaskets. After just putting 4k in tires, upper control arms and wheel bearings. Fml.
just found out i have to replace my cam and lifters as well, this is the most helpful video I could find by far! even besides the cost for a recall of that magnitude, just the length in time it would take for you to actually be seen to have the issue repaired would be yearsssss before you even get your chance
Thanks for the wonderful compliment! Sorry to hear you’re joining the club.
I love the intro and channel idea that you have. Looking forward to the every Friday content. I am already to crack open a beer and watch. 😉 🍻
What did you experience to know you had to replace cam and lifters? I think I may be joining the club too, but I am trying to gather as much information as possible
I had a noticeable misfire, tick, and loss of power. also when I would give it the beans there would be a noticeable delay before the truck started hauling. I also had a misfire code on cylinder 1. I swapped spark plugs, coil pack, and injector with another cylinder to see if the code would move but it stayed on cylinder 1 which told me i needed to rip it apart and swap cam and lifters. I ended up buying a MDS delete kit with everything i needed including gaskets, head studs, exhaust manifold gaskets, cam, lifters, etc and it included the MDS plugs and a Diablo tuner from AMS racing for about $1,100 and i have no complaints whatsoever about it@@alejolar90
@@drunkdisorderly462I have everything that you described besides the tick in my 2010 but I can’t be mad because I have 214k on that truck without and other major repairs besides the normal wear and tear. One fuel pump, one alternator and still on original oem starter. I’m just going to purchase a reman or low mileage replacement because getting it rebuilt is 5-6k.
@@seandp85 at 214k not bad at all for a notorious gen 3 issue. I was nervous having to dive into something like this myself (since I don't have the 4-5k sitting around to have a sop do this) but its honestly not bad at all. I've always worked on my own stuff but never anything this extensive.
Check out Uncle Tony's Garage video on the Gen 3 hemi cam failures explained. Lack of lubrication at low rpms because of the distance between the cam and the crankshaft, as well as the shallow lifter angle and positioning of the lifters means all the oil at the top of the motor goes straight to the oil pan, not the cam.. Don't let it idle around. I have a 2012 ram with 105k on it, waiting for it to chuck a cam. After seeing the video, for sure won't be using the remote start feature ever again.
Lol I watched it last night! It makes a lot of sense. I like the idea of the dribblers. It almost makes you want to floor it as soon as you turn the key.
I have an 04 with 265,000 always idles, no problems
See DarthHemi videos. Uncle Tony is full of Baloney. 2017 Mopar increased needle bearing size in lifters.
The best fuel line disconnect tool is to take a tin snips and cut a piece of license plate and curl it around the line and push it in.
You know, that's ridiculous that Dodge doesn't recall that. Mine to is misfiring #6. Great video.
158000 miles
Thanks I’m glad you like the video and yes I totally agree they should be it at least paying for the parts! What year is your truck?
@@fieromike1 2012
@@frankhubbard344 wow only 10. Sorry to hear that. Last week my sway bar broke and it is going to be another two weeks before the new one arrives.
I they say they won’t recall the camshaft because it isn’t a safety issue. I wonder how many people are having their sway bar break allowing the sway bar link to rip into the tire?
You may want to check yours and make sure their isn’t any rust on the tips where the links bolt on. Water gets in and it corrodes from the inside.
Anyway good luck with the misfire. Thanks for watching. 😉
Wow, that's a job. I'm sure most people will have to pay someone else to do that repair. With so few miles that's terrible.
Good news for me ! No shavings on the VVT solinoid!! Im fact he sais the engine was very clean oil etc ! Anyway cam and lifters ate installed along with a new high volume oil pump, water pump, timing chain set and belt ! And he just fired it up and says running good thank god ! As i said mine is a 2011 Big Horn, I love my truck and as bad as this is there is no way i am paying 50 grand for a new truck ! Whem mine is in beautiful shape . Im just glad its over! Very common in these trucks unfortunately . I had 143k when the lifter went , it was cylinder 3 and just as yours it was only one lobe damaged, looked exactly like your cam !
Wow, that’s great to hear! Mine is a 2011 Big Horn also. Unfortunately, I wrecked it last week. Nobody got hurt but the truck has so much damage that The insurance company is going to total it out. I think I’m going to keep it and make a few more videos of the process of fixing it.
@@fieromike1 So sorry to hear that but thankfully no one is hurt ! My truck runs excellent! I am shocked , it's absolutely quiet ! What a difference! So happy to have it back . It was the right decision to repair it ! And again , glad your ok ! Look forward to more videos ! Stay well and stay safe ! Peace 🕊️
Noticed you did not remove and clean the oil pan. Was this a 4x4, and was that why???? Lots of metal pieces.
I had a few magnets in the oil pan already and I flushed the oil about three times before starting up. Given the condition of my camshaft, there wasn’t a lot anyway. It does have four-wheel-drive, but that really wasn’t the reason. I was trying to avoid having to take the oil pump off.
Moi j'ai un ram 1500 2011 228 000 km , et j'ai un misfire cylindre 5 P0305..... changer les bougies ,changer coil de place et changer injecteur de place et le problème reste a la même place , j'ai enlevé mon couvert de valve et j'ai valve qui fait défaut je vais avoir une job de cameshatf a faire. merci pour les vidéo moi aussi je suis pas mécanicien ,mais j'ai faire un peu de mécanique ,je vais faire comme toi .
Est-ce que cela a bien fonctionné?
Great vid bud. Im fixing to do the same damn thing. Just wanted to get a heads up.
Thanks! It’s a lot easier than it looks. Just takes a while. If you haven’t already may I suggest you get your new lifters from the dealership. They may be more expensive but they are supposed to have “stronger needle bearings now”. Other than that I’m not going to pretend I know what I’m talking about. 😂. I was guided through the project by a great mechanic friend of mine but most of it was more or less like a puzzle. Good luck with it and let me know how it turns out.
Do you have a tool list of the tools you used on this project
Their was nothing much more than your basic mechanics set of sockets, wrenches, screwdrivers and a few torque wrenches. The only tool I “borrowed” (free rental) from advanced auto parts was the harmonic pulley puller. Which I needed to put three nuts bolts and washers on to remove the pulley. The fuel line disconnect tool was kind of a specialty tool but it was off the shelf at the auto parts store for less than $10. The pneumatic tools are handy but not necessary.
Did you use a manual to help you
@@dondotta2580 no the only manual I used was TH-cam. And a little persistence when things aren’t going the way you expect them to doesn’t hurt either. 😉
Dude what a pain. I have 254,000 miles on my 2010 Ram with the Hemi. Never have had a lifter/cam failure. All I do is run OEM oil filters (really because they are cheap) and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Full Synthetic. I also religiously check my oil. After 170k I noticed it burns some oil. Now it burns about a quart every 5000 miles. But every vehicle I have seen with over 100-200k burns oil. I think this is a damning factor to these engines. They burn oil and people don't check the oil and don't get their oil changed on time and the first thing to go is the lifter or cam. I definitely think there is a flaw in some though that eat a cam at low miles. But I wonder if those trucks have had good maintenance on them.
Just a question do you drive with MDS on?
344,000 on my 2004 5.7 motor has never been apart as well.. does not burn any oil that i notice. mobil one any filter. 180 thermostat
I've seen these camshafts that were bad..its unreal just how bad they get. Unfortunately for you dodge owners with this problem..the issues are further than you think. All that metal that the bad lifter ground off the cam is floating about the internals of your motor slowly but surely wiping out all the bearings that will eventually fail. Just a matter if time. Now I know there's those of you who think" that the oil filter will or should collect this shaved metal. Truth is..80% of your oil bypasses the filter.
Best thing you dodge runners can do is try to catch the problem before it gets bad. Simple magnetic drain plug or use a magnet while you drain your oil will help you see the fine metal particulate...or cut your oil filters open an look.
I run an 06 dodge charger..quite hard all the time..with no issues yet. But I also run a good oil an keep up with the maintenance. One thing I will share with you dodge hemi runners is this..don't let them idle for long periods of time..hemis don't like that ..fire it up cold , give a it minute to go thru its checks and balances and drive it normally till its fully warmed up...which is about 20 minutes under normal driving. Thats what it was designed to do from dodge.
Not about to write any books here..alot more I could share on the subject,
Best of luck
Thanks so much for commenting Alan. I really do appreciate all of the advice given. I always try to take into consideration knowledgeable people‘s experience when researching a project. You certainly should write a book! 😂
Since the engine is torn down wouldn’t it be best to go ahead and put a new timing chain and guides in as well
That is something that weighed in the back of my mind for months after the project. If I were to do it again yes I would probably change them out.
The reason I didn’t do it, however is because I didn’t wanna have to remove the oil pan and the oil pump to remove the timing chain.
With all that being said, I got Lucky. The truck has 212,000 miles on it today. I don’t wanna jinx anything but it’s still running fine.
Thanks for watching!
chrysler plat form has a design problem with the cam lobe lube problem no fix for this,cam not getting proper lubrication lifters are dry and wearing down your cam then inturn killing your lifter which destroys the cam. engine design flow.
I rebuilt my 2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 hemi. When I did I installed a Melling high volume oil pump. I’m hoping this solves that problem. Also installed Highlift Johnson slow leak lifters with the HRT Comp Cam kit
Failure by design? Or design failure?
🤔 that is the question.
From 12:07 to 12:21 the timing chain is suddenly off the cam sprocket and is pulled to the side... how is this done? Sorry if it's a noob question, I'm just starting to tackle this job tomorrow and trying to figure out the best way to do it, and the manual says to remove the oil pump. Would be nice if I didn't have to do extra steps. ;)
Not a problem. I wish I had filmed it. First make sure the cam is at top dead center. The key to doing this is to not lose tension on the bottom. Next you remove the chain tensioner. Then you remove the top bolt of the chain guid. (You can’t access the bottom bolt because it’s behind the oil pump). DON’T LOSE TENSION ON THE BOTTOM GEAR HERE. move the guid to the side a bit now. You should have enough room to get it off the top gear now. Don’t know if you saw it but In part two I showed a little of the reassembling. 3:12 to 4:00.
th-cam.com/video/bJfiMEN4xF8/w-d-xo.html
Good luck with it. I hope you have a warm place to do it. Let me know if theirs anything else I can “help” with.😂
@@fieromike1 Awesome, thank you for the details! I think I got it, but I'll bring the tablet to the garage when I work on it for reference. ;)
Btw: Where did you get the new cam and lifters? Only done a bit of looking around so far but some of the prices make me feel faint..
I got all the parts that I used from the dealership because I wanted to ensure that I was getting what was intended for the truck. I was also told by them that they are now using a “new vender”for the lifters. I hope that it makes a difference. It cost about $1800. I’m sure I could have got them cheaper but I was willing to pay for the peace of mind that I was getting the rite parts.
Two new head gaskets, valve cover gaskets, timing chain cover gasket, water pump gasket, camshaft, lifters, and I ended up needing to replace one ever so slightly bend lifter rod ($4). The rod that was bent was unsurprisingly from the same lifter that went bad. One other thing you may end up needing to get would be exhaust manifold gaskets and new exhaust manifold bolts. I did my best to keep them attached to the heads when I removed them. The bolts that hold on the exhaust manifolds are quite often already snapped. That is why most people who have a HEMI Hear the “HEMI Tick” until the engine warms up and expands the exhaust manifold enough to seal the leak.
Excessive idle is the main cause of this. A few hundred hours of idle and 5k mile oil change means your oil was toast well before hitting 5k
I’ve heard the theory. But that’s definitely not the case here. This truck doesn’t idle that much, not even close. I’ve never been one for wasting gas. 😂
Never can show actual proof with this anti idling propaganda. All 5.7s with this system faced it
How much was to camshaft and the lifters. ?
I got all the parts that I used from the dealership because I wanted to ensure that I was getting what was intended for the truck. I was also told by them that they are now using a “new vender”for the lifters. I hope that it makes a difference. It cost about $1800. I’m sure I could have got them cheaper but I was willing to pay for the peace of mind that I was getting the rite parts.
Two new head gaskets, valve cover gaskets, timing chain cover gasket, water pump gasket, camshaft, lifters, and I ended up needing to replace one ever so slightly bend lifter rod ($4). The rod that was bent was unsurprisingly from the same lifter that went bad. One other thing you may end up needing to get would be exhaust manifold gaskets and new exhaust manifold bolts. I did my best to keep them attached to the heads when I removed them. The bolts that hold on the exhaust manifolds are quite often already snapped. That is why most people who have a HEMI Hear the “HEMI Tick” until the engine warms up and expands the exhaust manifold enough to seal the leak. Good luck with yours.
@@fieromike1 thankyou so much for the info my friend
Twin truck and problem to mine. This is my current journey!!!!! please bless me with your magic on the harmonic balancer...i rented a kit from advance auto but it is not working for me. it is my first and only holdup so far!!! should i just go buy some nuts and washers and use the silver yolk in there that doesnt have arms on it ? I am so ready to be where you were at the end of this vid...I am completely D.i.y and so far my push rods, valve springs, rocker arms are all good condition. so far i only need fluids for refills at reassembly, and a Bank 1 valve cover gasket!! so amped and ready to pull and check out these lifters and Cam!! hopefully oil pump does not need pulling! and def gonna replace timing chain since im going this far in the Heart
Sounds like you are on your way to the finish line. I had the same issue you are having. The kit that I got from advanced came with two bolts so I ended up having to go out and get the third. I needed to get the nuts and washers anyway. Once I got them on it pulled the balancer off like a charm. I didn’t change out the oil pump or the chain mostly because it was getting cold and I didn’t want to deal with it anymore. I have been getting a lot of slack for that by all the “experts” on the internet. But my mechanic said it was an ok move given the condition of the cam and I have also always had magnets in the oil pan. Maybe it will be a future video. 😂 Anyway I hope you are in a warm place and please keep me posted and let me know how it’s going.
@@fieromike1 yes i got it off in that exact way!! NAPA gave me the bolts and i got the washers from a friend's engineering job. What has me baffled is that all 16 lifters are good!! to my eyes it seems i just have some valve work but i can go pull the timing chain off and pop the Cam out whenever I feel like battling the cold outside. I just don't know how to determine what work is needed on the valves..
@@RedBoyPooh wow all the lifters are still good! Not to throw money away but I would change them anyway since you have them out. Is their any damage to the valve seats. I have seen that they sometimes are the cause of the problem. We’re you showing any engine misfire codes? I am typing this with my best Scottish accent. 😬
@@fieromike1 hahaha well ya did a bum job there bud LoL I cant tell by the naked eye really but I have a video of them for feedback until i grind them down or send the heads off for work!
@@RedBoyPooh 😂
Forgive me, as I've never worked on these new hemi engines, but how on earth did you get the cam out without taking the pushrods and lifters out first? And why did you have to take the heads off?
😂 totally understand. The pushrods came out just before I removed the heads. The heads needed to be removed so I could access the lifters. My camera’s battery went dead just before I removed the lifters. 😉
@@fieromike1 👍
I'm just curious as how long does a job like this take & what do people mostly charge for a job like dis??
@@jameswilson9966 They wanted just over $5k at the dealership. I spent just under 2. That includes all the fluids. It took me about 25-30 hours including all the stops to look on TH-cam for help😂
@@jameswilson9966 shop books quote 7 to 9 hours for this job
Thanks for sharing.
I don't get why you had to pull the heads to do the cam and lifters??? Also why remove the upper cover (cooling) on the front of the engine, why not just the lower timing cover. It looks to me like you made a heck of a lot more work for yourself. I have done cam and lifters on a few other engines (v8 & i6) but have not done the 5.7 specifically. Im also wondering why you can't just change the lifters out without touching the cam, if there is squat for steel in the oil then shy not??? It's worked for me 3 times before with no issues.
@@gabugabu1976 the lifters are bolted in under the heads.
You can’t get the cam out without removing the timing cover.
And clearly the cam shaft needed it be replaced if you watched til the end.
No removal of oil pan? This 2wd?
@@gabrielmckinnon5862 if you’re not changing the oil pump and you are not changing the timing chain, there’s no need to remove the oil pan. However, you do still need to put the engine in top dead center, and then ensure that you do not lose tension on the chain with the camshaft sprocket to ensure that you keep it in top dead center when you reassemble.
@fieromike did you had top put time chain at top dead center before removing ?
Technically no you do not need to put the engine at top dead center so long as you mark the location of the camshaft and the driveshaft on the timing chain and reinstall all in the same position. Putting the engine in top dead center insures that it has been done properly because there are already marks on the chain and both shafts.
I set the engine at top dead center before I removed the camshaft.
If you haven’t already seen part two I do mention it briefly.
Where are you located?
New York. How about yourself? Assuming you’re in the states, I have a one and 50 shot so I’ll say Texas.
I’m located in North Carolina I was wondering because I have to do this same work on my ram 1500 and I couldn’t find a place close to me to do it
@@jorgecardenas3898 Sorry about that wish I could help!
Do you have to pull the radiator?
Yes the radiator had to come out in order to pull the camshaft out of the front. I was able to keep the AC intact by just swinging it out of the way a little bit.
Hey sir, how did You remove that driver side valve cover, I hear it is a pain to do so. If you don't mind could you explain in detail, I really would appreciate it thank you!
It’s funny you say that. I was hearing the same thing before I took on this project. It turns out that it was as simple as removing the coil packs and the fuel rail and then the 10 bolts. A couple of them were a little hard to reach but it was really quite easy overall.
Do you have a parts list of what all you replaced?
Yes but I need a minute to find it.
@@fieromike1 I appreciate it.
OK here is what I found in my notes. This was all ordered from the dealership. Quantity, part number, then description.
(2)5038785ad. Lifters
(2)503886. Lifters
(1)53022263. Camshaft
(2)5114179ab. Gasket
(1)53022306ab. Gasket
(1)53022307ab. Gasket
(8)53022143ab. Gasket
(2)53022130ab. Gasket
(1)53032448ac. Sealant
(1)53821521ad. Gasket
(1)68391488aa. Gasket
I would definitely call a dealership and give them your Vin number and tell them what you were doing and they will give you an exact list of all the appropriate parts that will fit your car or truck.
Is that?.....a.....Megalovania remix? Haha awesome.
Also, think this is whats wrong with a friends hemi at the moment. Boy what a pain it looks to be... Good job to you though!
😂 it totally does sound like it!
thanks!
Lol as it turns out, it actually is. But an 'inspired by' not necessarily a remix. Missed the style though, electro swing, not jazz.. my bad, Ill just edit that part out haha
@@austinrogers9488 😂
Great video! What size jaw puller was that?
Wow that hardening on the cam from the factory was wiped at a 100k wtf .
Yes it is because the roller bearings inside the lifters fail and then the lifter just grinds around the lobe. Chrysler has said that they have a new supplier for the lifters now. I have 201,000 miles on the truck so it would be about time for them to go again I guess. Let’s hope not! 🤞
I have 2009 dodge needs cam and lefter how much will the cost me and wher i cant take it to geta fix
Hey brother I am having the same problem with my truck I'm having a misfire and cylinder 6 I've changed everything from the fuel injectors spark plugs ignition coils and I'm pretty sure it's the cam low but that's giving me issues. I'm going to attempt this I'm not a mechanic is there any tools that I'm going to need that are specialty tools I don't want to get halfway through and have to keep taking a uber to the parts store to buy new tools. If you have any suggestions should I change any other parts out while I'm down there?
I have a 2019 Ram 1500 with 41,000 and just had it towed to the dealer and it has this exact issue. I dont understand with it being so new how this could happen. How long should I expect the dealer to have my truck while they fix this??
Wow this shouldn’t really be an issue with a 2019. However it took me five days I would imagine that a dealer should have it done in three days at most.
@@fieromike1 were they have supposed to fix the issue by the 2019 models?
@@nicholas3890 I could be 100% wrong but I am under the impression that this issue is with the 2009 to 2016 Hemis. Of course I suppose it could happen to any engine.
What oil did u use?? Intervals?? Lots of idling?? Leave it parked many days between start ups??
I just got the “tick” but no misfire yet. I have a custom cam so I shut it off quick. Can I get the heads off and do lifters without taking the timing cover off?
Yes you can. Passenger side comes off easier than the driver side. There are a few bolts through the timing cover into the driver side head that make it a bit difficult. Also the timing cover is also the bracket that holds the alternator so you will need to lift that head up and over that section of it not impossible, but very difficult especially if you’re going to keep the exhaust manifolds attached.
What yr is this truck. I just watched another video of a tech guy explaining the flaw in the hemi. The lifters are starved of oil at low idle due to the can shaft being blocked by a internal tube that runs through the block effectively blocking oil from splashing on the cam/lifters. He was looking at a gen3 hemi. My 03 has 249k and so far no issues. But this problem is a hit and miss with hemis. I'm looking at a newer one but this issue scares me even issues with the ecodiesel and 6.4 hemis.
It is a 2011. Apparently it’s less than 5% of the vehicles that have this problem. Definitely is hit or miss. I’ve seen the video you’re talking about. I would have to agree with him. I like the idea of having some type of dribbler added to the top of the camshaft. I would love to see an engineers take on this whole situation. It’s too bad because I love the truck! I wouldn’t let it scare you though the odds are in your favor.
@@fieromike1 yea. I want a 19 or newer and can't decide in the ecodiesel or 6.4 hemi. The diesel will be a daily driver and it's said that it doesn't do good for that. Cummins is too much. I only need a truck to tow a 8-10k trailer. But I don't plan on towing it but a few times. A 6.4 2500 will do it. It's a fifth wheel we are planning to get in the future. The 5.7 I love though.
@@ShootnTexasStyle Good luck with that I wish you the best.
My friend did you remove the exhaust manifold before removing the heads?
No I kept both manifolds on. I just unbolted them from the exhaust.
@@fieromike1 I try to do that but it was so hard to unbolt it from the exhaust so I remove them from the heads and move them to a side's. But thank you my friend for you answer 👍
This engine design platform has a basic cam lobe lube problem. There is no real permanent fix. Use top quality oil and possibly higher viscosity oil
you are right more poeple need to know that.
I need a new cam shaft and mine is a 16 ram 1500 with 74k miles. So pissed
Hope you changed your oil pump too.
is this due to MDS ??
Well that is up for debate. There have been many people who believe that the MDS system is to blame, and then there are people who believe that it’s due to poor maintenance and oil changes, and some believe that it is bad design and lack of proper oiling Of the camshaft. I’ve even heard that it is due to a bad batch of needle bearings that were in the lifters. I personally think it definitely has to do with Something. 😉 I wish I could tell you a definite answer. I feel like if I were to venture to guess I would be no better than all of the self-proclaimed investigative engineers that have come up with all of these theories.
I bet my Cam looks the same... I have 130k on my 2016 and I have a bad cylinder 3 misfire when ever I put any load on the engine. From everything I've read it seem my lifters and cam need to be replaced and unfortunately that job is a little above my skill and tool level.
Sorry to hear that. Have you ruled out the coil pack, spark plugs and the fuel injector yet? Theirs always hope. 😉
@@fieromike1 I haven’t but my truck behaves the exact same way as others who had their cam and lifters replaced. I also have tik even after just fixing my exhaust manifold bolts. I sure hope it can be fixed by a coil pack or plug but I just did plugs a few thousand miles ago so I doubt that’s it. Will find out on Thursday I guess
@@SteegeFish keeping fingers crossed 🤞
@@SteegeFish I'm guessing that you would not recommend anyone purchase a used 2016 Rebel with over 100k miles? I have a deposit down on one. I'm thinking I may have to loose that $1k and move on.
@@whiskeyactual. I honestly wouldn’t recommend it with 100k. I bought my truck with 24k on it. Although It’s more rare for the truck 2016+ to have this issue. I have ridden this truck hard the past 3 year ive owned it and have been very happy to this point. I think I may have just had a run of bad luck because I don’t read about this happening to many other 2016 and up trucks.
How long did you drive it after you first heard the ticking noise?
At first I actually didn’t really have a tick but I got a misfire code for cylinder 4. So I changed out the coil pack. th-cam.com/video/iTRYTFe1P84/w-d-xo.html
Then I swapped the plugs and the fuel injector. I probably drove 1500 miles before I started to really feel like i was pressing my luck. Four weeks after getting the code I ordered the parts. It noticeably went downhill quickly. So I suppose it was about 5 weeks.
@@fieromike1 I got a 2014 Ram that started knocking when I pulled out onto the road . Pulled over and noticed it was coming from under valve cover on driver side. Got it home and scanned it, got a po307,misfire cyl. 7. Only drove it 10 mins to get home. Hope it's just a crushed push rod and no damage to the cam. Started it the next day and the knock is just a tick now.???? Engine is not ideling rough.
Wishing you the best of luck with it. I noticed that some days were better than others. Some times no code and the next day it would be back.
I have a 2006, 137k mikes, just thru a p0302 code... if its a cam/lifter, 1- Ill be pissed off, 2- Ill upgrade cams and lifters and cryo treat them. Ive had great results doing that to other car parts. I wonder if the needles are not hardened properly or is it a kack of proper lubrication?
@@mopar2ya165 from what I have been told by the dealership, the lifters are from a new distributor now. As far as the lubrication, there is a lot of educated speculation on the internet. Cylinder no 2 isn’t one if the MDS lifters so according to most people it has fairly consistent lubrication. Have you swapped out the coil packs, spark plugs and file injector with another cylinder yet to see if that may be the problem? Keeping my fingers crossed for you! 2020 is behind us so you you have good odds! 😂
Why is this nonsense happening? I have a 2010 engine, which oil should I use then?
There are a few different schools of thought.
The first is that this is happening only to people who aren’t doing regular oil changes. I would immediately dismiss that because I have been quite religious with my oil changes.
Some people have said that it’s because of the MDS starving the lifters from oil when they shut off. I can’t completely write that one off but there have been plenty of people that have had failures in cylinders that are not related to the MDS.
Another is that the cam shaft and lifters aren’t being oiled properly at low idol speeds. That could very well be a possibility but until a third-party engineering firm confirms it I would just say it’s a very educated guess and speculation.
The Chrysler dealership where I got my parts said that they have a new distributor for lifters. It has been said that the needle bearings in the lifters were the weak point and that is what was causing the failures.
All of these theories seem possible but I think at the moment I am leaning towards what Chrysler is saying about the lifter bearings. They may just be trying to cover their ass for poor engine design but that would be yet another theory.
To answer your second question I use fully synthetic 5W 20 every 3 to 4000 miles which seems like overkill but an early oil change will never hurt.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Here's a bro, and l mean the same, an early oil change and let the engine shit just at the rpm and everything will be👌, but no one wants to listen, they pour whatever they get, then they complain that the engine tic-tic-tic☝️😝
I like the Dodge / Chrysler cars but they always seem to break.
Sad but it seems like every car has it’s flaws. The grass is always greener they say. 😉
Now the big question i have to ask is do you go with oem parts or aftermarket? If you go with oem have they been updated or the same junk?
That’s a great question. I went with oem for two reasons. 1: I wanted to be sure that i was putting in what was made for the truck. And B: the dealership would guarantee the entire engine if one of the parts went bad and damaged it.
As far as are they the same junk as before? The dealership told me that they have a “new distributor“ for the roller bearings now. The same one that they are using for the next gen HEMI.
Hope this helps.
BTW. I need subscribers 😉
@@fieromike1 thanks for the reply and what you have stated makes sense. Just finished part 2, great series, subscribed.
@@masseymm glad to help. I appreciate you!
So, the dilemma is.....for those of us with a truck that doesn’t need a cam (yet) would it be a good idea to change the lifters to the new “better quality” now instead of waiting for the cam to be destroyed?? Hummmmmm! Great video- watched part 2 also. Thanks for sharing your hard work. 👍
@@barry009 Yes I see your dilemma! It’s hard to tell how many hemi‘s actually end up needing the camshaft. I’ve heard anywhere from 2 to 7% failures but that’s just on forums and could be a totally made up number. 😂 just swapping out the lifters is no small job in itself. The heads still need to come off the engine. Definitely would be less of a project then changing out the camshaft. Also there is no Definitive research that says that it is the lifters that are causing this problem. There is a lot of speculation that it is a poor design distributing oil to the camshaft. I have heard plenty of people say that they have 200+ thousand miles on their vehicles with no problems. I tend to think if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Good luck I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you! 🤞
I changed my plugs and coil packs , and that wasn't it . Misfire on cylinder 3. I will do the fuel injector and if that's not it I will replace the lifters and head gasket
How many miles did you have the motor ?
if you paid attention you'd know the answer.....
@@Shocke89
Nice attitude, let me quess you own a 5.7 aswell.
@@dustyroads5409 really.. you asked a question and it literally says in the video....and you want to claim something else... so smart guy let me explain to you.. i run lawn care and small engine shop... I do have 5.7l hemi... I also have many other trucks as well... including a 1999 f150 and 205 chevy seirra 1500 z71 and the 2006 dodger ram 1500 the hemi is in... the hemi has 234k miles on it and is still running strong... aka no cam issues... but the chevy i have keeps blowing the water pump...the ford has shot it's tranny twice since i have had it...so keep with your stupid questions please...because my first comment was spot on... the guy tells you how many miles on the motor.. i'm sorry you too lazy to watch the video
@@Shocke89
Dude relax take a chill pill. Why get Butt Hurt over a little trivial thing.
Absolute nightmare *
😂yup
You bet Dodge engineers know about it and you can bet they won’t do anything about it.
It’s lack of oil to lifters and cam look at all the vids for it
It’s a flaw they know they have but why fix it when we pay to get it fixed out of warranty. It’s easy money in there pockets
Agree 100%. Happened to my 2011 with 117k miles. FCA won’t do shit. Luckily I have the lifetime warranty but many others do not. I won’t buy another Chrysler/Dodge vehicle ever again.
@Curtis Fleabag wouldn’t buy any of those either even without issues.
Yep, engineers know about it and fixed early life failure of lifter roller bearing from 2016. 2016 lifters have heavy duty roller bearings. Issue solved. FCA may help those who reach out to them about early life engine failure caused by seized or collapsed lifter roller bearing.
wow
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Same fam 😆
Buy a new Jasper motor and have it ready when yours craps out..too much work $4000k
No swearing?
😂 🤣🤣😂😅That’s the beauty of editing and the reason the music is playing in the background!
Every engine with hydraulic lifters are complete junk.
I believe you mean ” Every engine with hydraulic lifters IS complete junk”
I just don’t want you to sound stupid.
@@fieromike1 ....OK....lol
Same thing happened to me. Bought a 2015 Chevy HD 6.0 and developed a misfire, knock. Lifter was so damaged had to push inward and remove thru camshaft bore. 130k miles. Oh also had to replace trans (6L90) when it blew apart a month earlier... yay.
72 more payments and that baby is all mine!!
Wow. You got all the extra features! That is a story worthy of a go fund me page. 🤣
Six more years of payments and it has a hundred and thirty thousand miles did you buy a new or used
Yep my 2015 Chevy Silverado LT 4x4 was a piece of 💩. Never buy a GM truck again.
I would be pissed 😤 i would have traded it in .
Someone once asked "what is the second most ominous sound in the world?"
The answer is: the low whistle a car mechanic makes when he discovers what's wrong with your vehicle.
What is the first most ominous sound in the world?
The answer is: the sound of tons of money flying out of a wallet.
That's a lot of work Fieromike1.
Thats the same sound my dentist made the other day.. two wisdom teeth and a few hundred dollars
Not a fanboy here but i love MOPAR, I own a 6.4L 300 SRT '13 and a '15 Ram 5.7L. Both still running smooth and if something bad showed up one day i think it's just part of the game for me to fix and keep on going. Keep it up bro, love your work.
Thanks for the kind words! That’s a damn nice car! I have to agree with the way you feel. I love my truck and whatever it takes I’m willing to get my hands dirty. 😉
Liked.. Only because I did!! Thanks, very informative and the music has a good vibe... Looking forward to part 2.
Thanks! Glad it is helpful and also happy you like the music. It’s hard to pick a tune that everyone will like so I just try to go with what feels good one hope it works. 😉
I truly wonder if all those extended warranty calls I get would cover this repair lol.
Doing one tomorrow for a customer with extended warranty…the issue isn’t getting it covered it’s finding a shop that does aftermarket warranty work…my last shop didn’t do aftermarket warranty work but my new place does ALOT of it.
@@Fordrally89
Didn't know that a few select shops would handle that job, then again I don't blame them. But, considering this issue is bound to happen, I'd travel over 100 miles to get it fixed, hopefully they do it right
My 2013 RAM has a tick and a miss-fire and I'm certain this is the issue. The engineers at Dodge should hang their heads in shame! This is an absolute disgrace, especially the fact that Dodge just seems to be burring their heads in the sand about the issue. I'll never buy another Dodge product again, and I've owned nothing but Dodge my entire life. My old 74 Challenger will be the last Dodge I own. At least they seemed to know how to build engines back in the day that could stand the test of time.
What? Dude it gets low oil pressure because of how big it is. Maybe u should let it cycle the oil up to the top before gasing it. Maybe u should learn how to drive a car u buy first
@@jakobquack5395lies! This IS A HUGE HUGE DODGE ISSUE!
My 10 dodge heim 5.7 second engine also has had this issue! To a tee. That said oil and Idole is important but that’s not the only concern. We got a new engine and at 60k miles the lifters and camshaft are already needing replacement! So don’t say this isn’t a DESIGN ISSUE. Until you get real life experiences baby boy!
wait...so you dont have to completely take the timing components off to do the cam? every other video says you do
if not...this might be a bit easier than i thought
Great video, today's modern oil lacks ppm content of ZDDP (zinc dialkyldithiophosphates) and MOS2 (molybdenum disulfide),two major anti wear additives in lubricants have been reduced over the years to a bare minimum results are obvious especially in engines with more HP AND TORQUE that REQUIRES 0W-20 or 5-20 motor oil.
Fortunately issue is easily solvable with just adding small amounts of ZDDP additive and mos2 friction reducer readily available online and in stores.
If you would like to go next level with your additive package CERA TEC is ceramic solid lubricant (hexagonal boron nitride) long therm effect up to 30.000 miles,
Additives that i have mentioned are in my personal vehicles since new they required cycles up to ten days of driving to get full effect its called chemical engineering
Nice I have a 2013 5.7L Jeep and I have been adding that additive since new. Just changed my oil pan at 135k miles and it looks good! And the parts of the cam I could see looked nice. I wonder if I can get to 200k without any MDS issues. Jeep is in very good shape so I would definitely pull and build the motor if that ever happened.
@@austinaubinoe CERA TEC? O mos2? O ZDDP?
It’s not the oil it’s the cheap manufactured parts….
I have a 2003 Ram 2500. Bought it 2 years ago from the original owner with 104k and it now has 128k. I always use Mobil 1 full synthetic with Mobil 1 filter and i change the oil every 3500 - 4000 miles. i havent experienced any issues and the truck runs quiet and strong. One thing that I've found is that you need to check the oil level between changes! For some reason it will use 1 to 1-1/2 quarts between service intervals. I also owned a 2005 Durango that had 40k when I bought it and 100k when i sold it. Same issue, had to keep an eye on the oil level. Both of these Hemis ran fantastic, and I always do my own work because I don't trust dealerships after hearing so many horror stories. The Hemi is a great engine for the most part, but it still amazes me that the old 318 small blocks and slant sixes could go hundreds of thousands of miles with such little maintenance and take incredible abuse with little fuss. I guess newer isnt always better.
My 318 only made it 120. Bought a 2013 and it only made it 108
Early gen 3 hemi’s don’t like mobile oil.
How much would this Complete job cost me? Parts & Labor
When I purchased my truck....I also purchased the lifetime warranty from another dealer at a good discount. Was mainly concerned about all the fancy gadgets these generation of trucks now have including the electronics and air suspension system. You showed me why it was a good choice. I am a mechanically inclined person.....but that job is bonkers deep.
Good call on the extended warranty! It was certainly challenging but if you’re mechanically inclined I bet that you can handle it. I am a carpenter by trade so this was slightly outside of my skill set But it was a welcome change of scenery.
How do you purchase warranty at another dealer?
A word of advice. Read that warranty word for word. Especially when it comes to oil changes. A lot of them are based on where you live and whether or not you change your oil frequently enough. Some require you to change oil as if it was extreme duty or like taxi cabs and police vehicles and you will have to show proof of that. Every 5000km or 3000miles is not often enough. When you get into the fine print certain parts are not covered under the full warranty of the drive line as was my full coverage extended warranty which specifically mention camshaft and lifter replacement. Hope yours was a better warranty than mine.
I have a 2015 Ram 1500 with the same engine. The cam and lifters were destroyed with 175K miles. I had the Dodge dealership replace the engine for a cool $9000! Ouch!!!!!
WOW!! That’s painful.
How long did engine run after please advise got same issue thank you
I have an 07 Aspen 5.7 I rebuilt it @120k looking for this issue but was shocked at the excellent condition of the hard parts. I’ve watched tons of videos and read a whole lot of posts from Hemi owners and it seems to present itself in the 08 and up. Mine is non vvt and can’t believe how easy it is to rebuild. Simple. I did it in a weekend. Either way I love this engine. I’ll do another rebuild at 250k. I think that they changed vendors or something for the lifters.
That’s wonderful to hear that you’ve had no problems with yours! I tend to agree with what you have found in your research. 08 and up. Sounds great, a weekend rebuild! I wish I could do it that fast.
I have also been told that they have a new vendor for the lifters by my contact at the dealership. I hope that fixes the problem because I don’t need to rebuild this engine every 130 thousand miles.
Thanks for Sharing what you have learned through research rather than stating your opinions as fact! It is very much appreciated!
I wish you many more smooth miles. ✌️
good video, I do have a question, do the heads need to come off? Can the rockers just be removed to allow removal of the pushrods? Thanks!
The pushrods are kind of in two parts. The first part can be removed without taking off the heads. The second half of them(the part with roller that engages the cam lobes) can only be removed after the head is off.
My camera died when I remove them.
About to tackle this project in the next week or so the dealer charged me $140 to do “diagnostic” then wanted to 2k to take the heads off and look farther into it and said that wouldn’t cover any of the can or lifter work said it’d be another 5k for that.
$140 to tell you what you already know. $2k to make a mess and another $5k to clean it up!
What a racket!
I got the p303 misfire #3 on my 2012 ram. Went ahead put all new coil packs and plugs. Cleard the codes drove 60 miles went fron 18mpg to 21 mpg at 65mph. Then drove 50 miles code the same code. Took it to a shop they told me I need a new engine $10,500. Lmfao. I'm old and disabled so doing this, I just don't know. But pretty sure I don't need a new engine.
Somehow I was only getting 12mpg on my 2012 1500 5.7. But I have the truck back together but it wouldn’t start going to trouble shoot it tomorrow. Just cranks no start I think I messed up a ground wish me luck
we should start a lawsuit and make them pay for this....
Already been done, few years back there was a class action lawsuit over it.
My first Ram is my LAST Ram.
do you have a 4x2 or 4x4? i was reading if you have a 4x4 its more difficult.
Yes, I have a 4 x 4. The only way I can imagine it may be more difficult is if you plan on removing the engine. Also, maybe consider I did not remove the oil pan but that shouldn’t be any more difficult because it’s four-wheel-drive. Personally I think the project was a lot of fun. Yes, difficult but fun. Good luck with yours.
HE MIGHT AS WELL HAVE JUST TOOK THE WHOLE ENGINE OUT!🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
BUT TO EACH HIS OWN! 👈🏿😑
GREAT VIDEO THOUGH! Outstanding!
Job calls for 14 hrs where i am and labor is 200 an hr give or take.
Wow that’s a bargain compared to the quotes that I got. Close to $6k. That is with all parts from the dealership being just under $2k.
make sure you use Johnson lifters with axle oiling or you will do this again
Is it possible to go bigger with the camshaft since it has to be replaced anyway?
Chrysler has new lifters that appear to be holding up.
@@crunchagain5460 they issued new lifters several times since 2011, with the last versions in 2019 - January for trucks, and March of 2019 for everything else. These lifters supercede all previous lifters, 2005-2018. The problem affected cars, trucks, Jeeps, and the Durango, both with and without MDS.
@@UnionThugg yep have a 2016 ram with hemi lost the engine at 23k … needed a new motor … guess what I am hearing the knock again at 42k … back to ram see what they say …. Never again back to a Ford
I have 3 of these POS. My Durango at 199,000 klm ticks really bad especially on cold start up ( no its not the exhaust studs they’ve been done). Gonna sell em all and get Ford trucks but no Ecoboost also POS. 5.0 Design flaw for sure. My buddy has 450,000 klm on his Chevy 5.3 with no issues.
Hey Mike. I'm re-watching this video in preparation on my innevitable cam shaft job, lol.
😂You let me know if you need help I’d be happy to come up and visit! Preferably before that Canadian winter sets in.
@@fieromike1 I'll get the basement bedroom ready, lol.
@@ScottRods Sounds like a plan. lol
That truck has MDS on it. get rid of it. Apparently the onle time the lifter galley is pressure fed is when MDS is activated. rest of the time the lifters are oiled through the pushrods. With mds plugs the lifters are always pressure fed.
you should have just pulled the engine.. and when you're that far down.. might as well rebuild the entire engine.
😂 if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
@@fieromike1 How much did you spend in total to fix you truck and how is it so far?
I must have missed it. I didn't see you pull out the lifters. Did they come out with the head?
No don’t worry you didn’t miss it. 😂 The camera missed it when The battery died.The lifters are in four packs fastened to the block right underneath the heads.
Give me a good old LA or Magnum 318/360 engine any day! Yes, they don't make the power but they are very durable!
The old hemis were real work horses 🐎. they improve the design reliability goes south
Not with that dropped valve seat issue!
It’s the parts, cheap manufacturing. The design isn’t the issue
How did you know it was a bad cam? I’m being told by a 2nd dealership they want to inspect the engine for failure and I’m at a crossroads on what to do with the truck
First, I swapped out the coil packs to eliminate the possibility. Then I swapped out, spark plugs. Then I swapped out fuel injectors. At that point if you’re still getting a misfire on the same cylinder it’s pretty certain that it’s a lifter or the camshaft. If the lifter goes bad, it usually wipes out the camshaft.
Are you getting a misfire code?
@@fieromike1 yeah it’s a P0301 and P0300. I started with the plugs then threw a coil on there. Dealership tried swapping injectors but no luck. They said it’s more than likely engine failure and I didn’t want to believe it at first but the more I research it it sounds like there is a well documented cam and lifter problem.
@@Mbsmoothe sorry to hear that. It sounds like you involuntarily joined the club. their definitely is a problem. If their is more than one lifter and cam lobe that is wiped out the metal shavings have probably made their way into the oil pump and bearings.
Make sure you use the latest roller lifters when you do this, the part number for the lifters ends with AD.
Link plz
So is there a better quality / brand lifter that should be used ( and is tried and true by now ) when doing this repair? Ive read countless forum posts and there are endless ideas as to what one could do to try to avoid this failure..
It’s called Jhonson they make the highest quality and they fix the issue forever
Great Video! I just posted my video of my Hemi Tick in my jeep commander 5.7L. Would you mind watching it and letting me know if I need to do what you've done? I'm guessing I do. Kinda hoping someone tells me different, lol
Sure thing! 😉
Its easier and cheaper just to change the oil ever 3000 miles. Lol
Completely see why Dodge didn’t recall it. Way too much work to “fess-up” to. 🇨🇦
baujahr 2009+ ? Thanks
2011. 😉
Yup my 5.7 cam and lifters when to shit @ 72k maintained very well. Still happened. expensive fix
How expensive?
& can you put a bigger cam in it to?
@@jameswilson9966 4500
Is it better just to purchase a new engine or complete rebuild?
Omg 😳
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How did you get the chain over the cam phazer. I removed the tensioner but cant slide the chain over the camshaft phazer?
I removed the tensioner and the top bolt on the chain guide and that gave meJust enough room. Don’t give up! You’re almost there!
Thanks, so far been going pretty smooth. Cylinder 5 lifter completely ground down, and cylinder 1 lifter was just starting to wear down.
lol 130k on a 10 year old vehicle? and the cam looks suspect
Not quite sure I understand the question. Please elaborate.