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- What was Volibear like BEFORE his rework?
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I won't lie, I very much enjoyed old Voli. He was one of those champs who (to me at least) was very fun to play. But I won't lie when I say that new Voli has his own charms and a fun play style.
The auto-q-auto-auto- titanic hydra active combo was pretty satisfying but titanic hydra no longer has an active so...
Old voli was sexy this new is pssy and op
Hey man don’t lie lol
make up your fkin mind dude
**I MISSED HIS QUOTE....."FACE THE STOOOOORM!!!"**
It’s so interesting hearing the impact of VGUs from a strictly gameplay perspective. I never played old Voli, but it was only because I thought he looked stupid. Since the VGU he’s been one of my mains, and it’s interesting learning about what I missed out on simply because the character design was so lackluster.
I mained him and got to 750,000 mastery. I was worried, but the rework was necessary.
Am I the only one who does not really like to new look of Voli and his animation? It looks really ridiculous and does not fit the might bear...
@@szymonryba8162 yes it does zzz
@@szymonryba8162 yeah, it’s just you lmao
@@szymonryba8162 From lookin at his old animations, they have a real early-league problem of not being character animations but being the minimum required for their respective skills. Voli's old concept was "bear in armour", whilst with new Voli, you can tell that he supposed to be large and mighty from his "slow" animations (long wind-ups, longer distances between each step he takes, etc.).
As someone who played the old Volibear for nearly 10 years, I can say that I absolutely love this version of Voli. I just wish Riot left in his flip on the Q. It was so synonymous with him (and Singed) that I wish they kept it in. To this day I still love Voli, and I wish he got some more love in the past.
The flip is cool but doesn't synergize well with the rest of his kit. Stun is far better since want to keep people cc as long as possible
@@dieptrieu6564 I'd have to disagree with you there. Old Voli's flip would actually stun once the target landed, and would pull his opponent further away from their turret when they attempted to escape.
Not to mention how often enemies could run out of his E range while Voli is chasing them. Being able to flip his opponent could bring back the Q+E combo from old Voli.
I do like that there's still CC from his Q, but I'd still take a flip over a stun any day. Mostly for flavor and something else that makes him stand out
@@segladiator2659 nah the cc is still shorter back then due to the nature of airborn effect, and there were no stun anywhere after the enemies land. And the flip might also throw enemies out of his e, too. Usually you only use your e when you are already in range. So flipping people back into it should mostly not happened
@@dieptrieu6564 reading up on it, you're right about the lack of a stun. It was his E's push back that would apply the extra CC. My bad there. It's been a while since the old Voli was around so I was remembering wrong.
Regardless, since the enemy isn't slowed during the current E cast time I often find enemies running out of the ability before it lands despite them being in range. Being able to land it while flipping is just an option Voli would have if he had the ability. Just something else you could do with his kit if given the option.
As for an enemy possibly being thrown out of the E damage, that would just add something to learn with his kit. A good Voli player could know when to use Q+E or when to wait on one or the other.
Again, I do like the CC in his kit, I just miss the old Q and would prefer the flip over the stun if given a choice.
@@segladiator2659 That's because you are not timing the E right. You E before you stun them. And unless they have a dash, they won't be able to walk away from it. Of course it's easier said than done. But stun is overall a better ability for his kit than a short flip gameplay wise
I remember playing Old Voli Darius in the botlane with a friend, he would Voli Q the enemy adc and I followed with Darius E to pull them under turret, it was extremely fun.
I'll also never forget the humongous earrape old Voli did when ulting
Singed Voli was another fun one. I miss that ability the most.
When I played old voli support it was with my friend who played yasuo. I would max Q and run down on their enemy adc, flip them towards their support and press E, making both of them be knocked back for a bit then the yasuo on that small time frame would use his ult (cause the old volibear E counts as a knockup) and finish them off. Then we would get fed enough that we would force fights 2v5 and win the game. I got up to plat 2 on my first ever season playing league cause of that strategy.
I also remember in the climb was I sucked at towerdives cause I didn't know the target champion only key existed.
BRACE THE STORRRRRRM
I've mained Volibear for 10 long years. When his new kit came out I was really mad at first because so much of the old one was gone, things I lived and breathed with for so long. I was determined to not let my favorite champ be anything less. So I kept playing and gradually adjusted to his new kit and now I love it even more than before. Though, I will say I have very fond memories of flipping and doing AP oneshot builds or even old attack speed only builds. I dedicated a lot of time and effort into him and even had my dream prestige discussed and mocked up on r/volibearmains and it was brought to life by some amazing riot dev's.
Nothing will ever beat the memories I have of going home after school and playing with the guys online as their big bear.
There was some degree of comedy of a chemical addict or a enraged bear running at you and flipping you
You can still do AP oneshot builds really well with new Voli. His E does insane damage and so does his R. I'm gonna be honest I didn't play much old Voli, but I know he could do some pretty crazy stuff with AP builds. I love going in with AP Voli R just smashing down on poor ADC players.
Cool story bro I've experienced the same thing with gp. I don't play it lately but he's still my favorite orange man
Glad you uploaded this, this is the main way for me to learn about past Champs and what the game was like before, hope you do this on old game modes and events too :)
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@@CryoBeat i'd wish it was s3 again so euw would be down all the time and i couldnt play
@@pancakeplate real
Volis old E was such an underrated ability it could stop dashes and was super useful
remember when Voli originally came out all those years ago, and how interesting it was. First champ in the entire game to have an ability that dealt damage from building HP, everyone freaked out about him having "Mundo ult as a passive." Gotta say, I got hooked in by his playstyle. Simplistic yet effective. No matter how many people treated him like he was a trash champion, I was committed to the bear, and never had more fun playing any other champion since.
The rework definitely created a bunch of mixed feelings, for sure, but it was definitely for the better, though I think with the massive changes they've made to the items and rune, there was a potential for Old Voli we'll never really get to see. Still, the capacity for making big plays, not to mention build variety, is undeniably higher on the rework. I have tons of fun with new bear, so while I miss old bear, I will continue to enjoy myself.
I also like that you mention Sett, because I've always said that Sett's gameplay was more similar to Old Voli than any other champ in the game. Scales well with attack speed, powerful option to be wary of at low health, and that same option can deal big damage based off building health.
As for your comments on his similarity to old Aatrox, I can definitely see some of the similarities, particularly his ult vs old Aatrox's Q, and the drain-tank properties of W, but I gotta say the similarities kinda end there.
I can only give new volibear a 5/10. Although he is very fun and is a bear, he no longer volley's people
You have chosen death i see
I'm giving him 2/10
@@Danietz you have chosen death beyond death....
@@snakeinabox7220 I have a comment explaining my position
@@Danietz and your possition is objectively wrong
I really enjoy this series! It's a look into an era of league that I never experienced :)
ive long awited this upload
you are completely insane cryo
Stonewall008 footage, now that brings back memories
Been a Voli main since around when I started League and yeah, Voli's rework did great. Was kinda sad seeing old Voli support go, that's where I started with him after all, but his current version is just so fucking fun, and it feels like you have so much more agency when you're playing him than before, even if that makes him a bit more complicated to play, which I think is more than worth it.
About being similar to Aatrox... I thought the same about Viego, when he came out. A drain tank slayer, with 1v5 capabilities... Like Viego kit was like Old Aatrox, but modernized, and his "possession" could be something they looked forward back at the time with the darkin lore rework about the weapons possessing their hosts, taking that in place of his revive.
Never thought I'd see the day that JJ played Jinx, nor Cryo playing Voli.
Awesome vid, would u be able to look into old gangplank for the next one!!
Looking forward to the Fidd vidd! I'm a newbie so I never even saw the old Fiddlesticks but he is my favourite jung (even though I'm ass at him lol) and I love these analyses.
The best thing about the rework is the t-pose emote
I loved the
Pancake flippers brother
Singed+Volibear: pancake flippers
I would like to see your take on dr.mundo before and after the rework. i absolutelly loved the old mundo, as a fast farmer super scaling mr focused tank option in the jungle as he was pretty much the only one in that category, and enjoyed being a menace by 2/3 items. for scaling tanks im taking bruiser sion now.
old mundo was a mid/late game tanking juggernaut that could make a full tank cho gath blush when comparing fight disruption and tankiness with a lot of damage and tenacity that could run after a adc/mage in the backline for 12 secs if he was a bit ahead. new mundo became more of a early bruiser/lane bully with 2 pokes. his ulti healing and bonus ad was cut by about 60% (new mundo gets ad based on hp instead and only for 10 secs) and traded 30% tenacity, 40% bonus mr, and constant 100 damage/s for a bit of grey health and a cc immunity shield. and the worst is he is only viable at low/ mid ranks at top lane, because high rank has abundance of lifesteal, % hp damage or true damage, and his clear in jungle its much worse than before.
Volibear was one of the two champs that I learned when first really getting into the game at the start of last season. The other being Kha’Zix I played exclusively Jungle and man, Volibear is probably one of my highest rated champs in terms of kit design and visual design. The skill ceiling is high enough to allow and require you to have some skill while the skill floor is low enough to make him easier to learn and perform well with as an average casual player. Recently I’ve been playing his AP attack speed builds and if you haven’t tried Lethal Tempo Nashor’s Tooth with either Riftmaker or Frostfire (for the slow effect really) you have to try it. I love that Voli has so many different viable build options each with their own means of beating down the opponent
I never got to see old Voli so thanks for this
Has it really been so long since the rework? I feel old. I still remember everybody forgetting his passiv and being suprised they cant kill him 1v1 lvl 1 as he just chomps their head of. Or how people complettly miss judged the powerspike that is his ult. Seriously 75 on-hit on lvl 6 is amazing, specially if its aoe. Old Voli got underestimated a lot and since it was my last main that hasnt gotten changed, after the rework i started to grew more apart from league. I have returned 2 weeks ago from a 2 year break and i have fun with Soraka and Vi, but the old Sion, the old Voli, the old Ryze (like the REALLY old ryze) - i will never forget them. They might have not been often played but the specific hijincks and chananigans u could pull off where amazing.
old voli always cracks me up
old volibear was the only jungler I was good at when I started playing. He will forever hold a spot in my heart
I miss voli
I barely played Volibear after the rework. VU is ok but it doesn't give the fun it used to. Volibear was my Jack card for Yasuo mains. Whenever I play top lane and enemy picks Yasuo, I used Voli to crush those OTPs ego lol.
Volibear was my first ever main, and I can't tell you how overpowered his flip was
I started playing in 2019 and voli was my first main, he was so rewarding for just going in and destroying the enemies.
Old voli was like the bear from a movie I think it's called star of the north
It's interesting to see old voli gameplay. But its even more interesting hearing about item choices before mythics. I really miss when they weren't around.
I just miss the flip and the bite. The flip was super good for ganks since it would flip towards your ally usually and the bite felt more meaty while the new one is basically a nibble for healing.
I really enjoyed the old voli. His synergies with any knockup+e for double dmg, his w flipping a fight in his favor, it was a fun champ
Old Voli was a forklift coming at you with the speed of a race car.
Cola Flip will be remembered.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you forgot that Voli's old E was reworked at one point to deal a small knock back with double damage if the enemy was airborne when struck.
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Never thought he looked like old aatrox until you made that comparison haha he really do look like him tho ngl
I remember Volibear being one of the 5 flings/hook champions we had to play in a single team to win the hard challenge of one April Fool event. :)
I don't played Voli much before rework, but i like his new style and i also started jg role with him. 🐾
I had over 2 million mastery points with Volibear before his rework, playing him almost exclusively in top lane for at least 5 years reaching high plat with him at my peak before they reworked him and I stopped playing league altogether. I think that speaks for itself. The only thing that I would have changed about the old Volibear is adding a slight increase to attack range while his R is active and removing the activation time for his R. This has precedence with many size increasing ultimate abilities such as Nasus/Renekton R. The old Volibear did not need full rework, just a slight R hotfix and maybe a passive change to stay relevant with Elder Dragon and other new forms of true damage executes. I miss him so much.
i miss his flip and how easily you could reach crazy attack speed
New Volibear and new Mordekaiser share the same "OMFG THAT'S SO COOL" factor that transpired from the reveal videos themselves. Mordekaiser Q and Volibear R just look so freaking powerful I was jumping on my chair when I saw them for the first time. And they feel amazing when you land them.
Same with Aatrox. His revive quote "BEHOLD IMMORTALITY" was so cool.
seems like voli old Q also used janna's tornado to knockup. you can see it in the animation
One of the best reworks in the game. I hope you do one on Fiddle soon, since that's honestly THE best rework in LoL history in every way shape and form, imo!
His e was actually used mostly for cancelling dashes or stuff like tristana's jump
I miss the old me. Great vid!
I'm a voli otp, since 2 years ago,
and your walking style is very good for a voli that plays around his w,
Little fun trick, if you want to use w mark on a dashing champion:
use q and right before you'd hit him w first,
so then you get your 2nd w quicker, and w has slightly larger range than your aa
and since the q is a little leap (about +50range) towards the target,
you can still get your q in,
it maybe needs a little practice but vs dashing targets it can be a life safer
(also helps alot if you buy iceborn)
I think it is cool that volibear's kit reflect him as a storm god bear thing and not just an ice bear
Old voli passive was super old school, i liked to play him before the rework and even if they just changed the passive, i would consider him reworked enough. The new kit makes a lot more sense and i like league having champs with some quirks not just scaling stats so turret disabling is a nice addition imo
What i wish is that they kept his suplex on q, and his old E, new ult and W are fine
Dale voli, dale
11:20 such a nuanced description is also why Seraphine is *still* Sona 2.0 to me. A passive that rewards constant use of spells, and autoattacking after several. Said spells also have larger benefit when used near allies. A poke Q, as vague as that is, that has relatively small number of targets. A heal/shield W that affects nearby allies. E is quite different for them admittedly. Ultimate is a wide, line AoE that causes immobility on all enemy champions hit, forcing them to act against their will. Both are musicians who float around and have a large instrument as their weapon.
All in all I feel Volibear is less similar to old Aatrox than Seraphine is to Sona.
I've always told my friends that Seraphine is Sona 2.0 too, and you can see the change in the games philosophy, while Sona is more of a traditional fantasy, being a mute classical musician with a more "realistic" style, who is also more focused on healing and supporting their teammates, Seraphine is a modern pop musician with a more "anime" style, and instead of being mostly focused in her support role, she's also able to do a whole lot of damage and utility.
I feel like we can tell how the game has gone from a slightly serious game with simple champs that are made to fit their role and are mostly based in traditional D&D style fantasy, to a more fast-paced hyper game with a more cartoon-anime style.
@@vhuyjgvyj definitely, i can also say with relative certainty it will be a long time before we see any new champs similar to what volibear was, or renekton, nasus, etc. i dont really count the reworks for that. makes me sad all new champs basically look like akshan, viego, seraphine, gwen, hell they even had to humanize belveth ffs
Voli rework was surprising mainly because it was pretty much universally accepted that he'd be better if his auto effects were on his passive and riot actually DID that.
His old passive also had an issue that it could proc at the WORST time. You couldn't really play mind games around it like you could a heal you control. Early game you could try to hover around that heal threshold to bait a fight, only to get minion aggro wrong and waste it. Or because it would proc off any damage below the threshold if you finish a fight with it on cooldown and get poked by just a caster minion or the very last tic of Liandry's and waste the cd as you are trying to recall.
Also I'm super excited for the Karma video if you ever do one. I still don't feel like there's a great replacement in game for her old short-range mage support style.
Ngl you're completly insane, old aatrox and new voli may have similarities on PAPER but their playstyle is different, where they play is different aswell and when you look into his spells a bit more carefully, whereas old aatrox was heavily based on atk speed and ad, new voli is more ad juggernaut/ap for some.
But as a old and new volibear main i have agree this rework is awesome
(aatrox was also one of my mains in the past but the rework ruined the playstyle i liked so i stopped playing him since then, wish they take the old aatrox back and the new thing we got change his name and become a new darkin, bc even if i don't like it i won't stop other from enjoying him.)
"bc even if i don't like it i won't stop other from enjoying him."
I wish there were more people like you in the world.
i played a fair amount of voli jungle and top pre rework, it's a shame to see his flip go but i do really think losing the % missing health damage and instant aspect of his W is sad, that ability was extremely strong for his laning and fantastic burst that people never saw coming
When I heard of the Volibear rework I flipped out. I remember playing old Voli just one more time the night before the rework. New Volibear is one of my favorite reworks and all his old problems were fixed. Sadly you can't play new Voli as a support as well, but he's still amazing. He's my highest mastery champion and Riot gave him some skill expression while still making him simple to learn. He works both AD and AP now with his passive and E scaling with AP but his Q and W scaling with AD. His R scales with both AP and AD. Overall very good rework.
voli was my first main- that passive was soooooooooo good for baiting fights
as a voli otp (reached 1mil before the rework) i thoroughly enjoyed old volibear, he was amazing to bully with. You could play him on all positions except for adc & could also build literally anything on him. when i first played voli i saw his w and how strong it was and ended up nearly one-shotting people with a 5 warmog & berserkers greaves build. I found his hard cc incredibly fun & his passive even more so. in all honesty i don't like new voli as much because you gotta do more work to deal that damage. despite the changes i continue to play volibear to this day, but i would love to play old voli again.
sick name man
He was a very underrated support who no bot lane respected. His E disruption was turbo broken.
Oh my god. I forgot about voli support. I’m a support one trick and I have one singular skin for voli from when I played him support xD
Old voli was my first main and first m7. After the rework I got another 100K mastery on voli both of them were/are great
Can you do Kayle?
I love new voli and he is better and more modernised for sure but i would love to have a week to play old voli again.
I was an old voli player and I actually like the rework, its fun to play.
Oh boi
Old Voli
The legendary Bear that made god Barbakhan scream "¡Dale Voli DALE!" (Hit it Voli HIT IT!!)
Eh... this time I hit it - Volibear
i love voli and fiddle reworked. they come pretty much at the same time and i was very excited to see next rework, so they decide to do less rework
Old Volibear was one of my most hated champs when I started playing. It would always be him and Singed in the bot lane together and everytime I thought I got him, he would just heal and get away with single digit HP. So infuriating, and he seemed useless at so many other things. But after finally getting around to playing him for years, I saw just how crazy fun and op the bear could be.
His rework, as much as I really missed the AP burst builds with his E, is hands down so much better.
What's even better with this kit is that you can build him in every possible way and put him in any role and he can still get the job done and with gusto. I love all of his different scalings and I really wish Riot would do a better job implementing this across other champions. Being able to take the same champion and do other things with them is incredible and makes each champion deep and allows different parts of the kit to come alive.
It would be like giving Janna and AD scaling on her Ultimate and movement scaling on her auto-attacks, so that the faster she moves, the faster the projectile speed is, making her a really interesting AD harass carry. You can do that already with her, but this would legitimately open up a brand new avenue and way to play without really doing all that much to her. She will still feel just like Janna, just now you get to showcase what else her kit is capable of.
One key thing about Voli's old kit is that his old E disrupts and deals bonus damage to dashing enemy. Although I absolutely love this rework, I still miss that satisfying feeling whenever I disrupt a Lee Sin or Tristana or LeBlanc dash
They basically went and slapped the ol’ 200 years sticker on an aging champion
I miss old volis knock-ups and the health damage scalings. As someone who has mained both versions I sometimes still mis the old version.
Dude old volibear on urf was actually something else haha
Id say that voli rework is one of the best reworks so far. It changed a lot while keeping the main ideas intact. Even though i didnt really play voli that much pre rework, i feel that the voli rework did voli justice. All in all, 8/10 rework ngl ngl
fiddle reworks was the best for me . aatrox was the worst
There is nothing like getting an enemy down to a sliver of health, and then pressing R so you can obliterate them in the most satisfying way possible.
I still miss the old bear
I played alot of old Voli, little bit of the re work but it wasn't the same. Just really liked the old kit
I had a dream where I made the argument that twisted fate was AP vayne. They both have a stun and an on-hit autoattack passive. Your argument for new volibear being similar to old aatrox reminds me of that. Take that as you will
He’s alright, I’m still getting used to it, the only thing I hate is his E delay feel like it takes forever to drop down.
This and panth are the first reworks I saw
I do really miss old Voli, the changes are a welcome updated mix but that old ulti always let me crush champs
I loved messing around on support with old voli, but that's when tanks were useful lol
As someone who LOVED old aatrox, I completely agree with you
i miss old voli and will be the best just why ... hes flip was his trapcard win games..
i miss cinderhulk. used to rush it on jax and be unkillable in 1v1. then try to find enemy jungler in the river.
I personally can't wait to see what you have to say about Fiddlesticks. I believe their rework to be the best Riot has ever done so far.
hey cryo,,, have a good day~!
Hear me out, The new Voli, if you got lethal tempo, build riftmaker, nashor's and then just full tank, you'll be an AP juggernaut with actual tank stats. I got like almost 300 armor with 200 MR from the build with almosy 4000 HP. It's crazy.
I love old voli atk speed build and semi tank....... Guinsoo and wits end main atk speed then situational items
Yo Stonewall008 was o g
i played sooo much old urf voli
forgot there was a madred's bloodrazor before botrk was a thing.
Bro ngl I miss the throw back
I miss the old voli, I main the old one cause of the gameplay, I really like the 3rd skill, you can cancel everything if u use it correctly, maaaan those are the good old days.
voli is one of the only reworked champions that I didn't think needed a rework, but it's still one of the better reworks that were done. I wish he'd kept his flip though. I always felt like the suplex bear was a distinctly League of Legends thing.
Everyone back in the day know about trick2g flipping dem burgers
As a Volibear main since the rework i miss the old build with the old items, you could build Bork and next Gunblade and Literally nobody could outheal you or outdamage you if the other one wasn't feed or something, then Triforce and then tank items, god tier build
While i do agree that the rework is extremely succesful, old voli also had unique mechanics that had its own niche. I kinda wish it would return someway
fuckin loved the old voli... i like both :(
I remember the first pentakilled I witnessed was a fed old onhit voli absolutely destroying my team. It was somewhat fun but has that feeling of old and outdated. New voli has the same raidboss energy of the old one. Yes it doesnt has a dash interruptor like old one, but its a more bruisy champion. It has much better ganks, zone control. Preserving the damage and having also a smoother jg clean.
Flip flip
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Next one for LeBlanc pls?