Miquella and Malenia: The Full Story | Elden Ring Lore

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
  • Of all the twins in Elden Ring (which there is a surprisingly high number of), none are more recognizable than the twin Empyreans known as Miquella, the Unalloyed, and Malenia, Blade of Miquella. As the children of Marika and Radagon, they are some the most pivotal and powerful figures in the Lands Between.
    But, for many players, figuring out how these siblings fit into the lore and story of Elden Ring can be surprisingly difficult. On top of that, both Miquella and Malenia have loads of cut content that never made it into the final game.
    This video aims to go through all the major points of their timeline with a unique approach to the visuals, so I hope that ends up being something you enjoy!
    Follow me on twitter for updates and smaller pieces of content at / vlimit_11
    (The names of all songs used in this video are listed at the end)
    Timestamps:
    0:00 - Intro
    0:45 - Twin "Empyreans"
    5:31 - The Shattering
    7:35 - Miquella's Eclipse
    9:17 - Clash of the Demigods
    11:09 - Dreams of St. Trina
    13:15 - The Tarnished's Journey
    19:10 - Millicent's Purpose
    21:50 - Malenia, Blade of Miquella
    24:15 - Two or Three Blooms?
    26:37 - The Cocoon of the Empyrean
    29:59 - Unused 7th Ending?
    31:17 - Thanks for Watching!
    #eldenring #fromsoftware #eldenringlore
  • เกม

ความคิดเห็น • 552

  • @VLimit11
    @VLimit11  ปีที่แล้ว +158

    Quick update on 2 points of misinformation in this video (HUGE thanks to Sekiro Dubi for pointing these out to me):
    1. Rico's questline was supposed to end in Mohgwyn Palace, not the Haligtree
    2. Using Kalé's voice line about Dream Mist is a little misleading, since that was originally used for a quest entirely separate from Rico's
    Luckily I don't think this invalidates any major conclusions, but that's still 100% my mistake for making those assumptions.
    If you want to learn more about Kalé's cut questline, you should definitely watch Sekiro Dubi's video on St. Trina's Lullaby and the Red Eyed Merchants here: th-cam.com/video/LK_8F_XwLaE/w-d-xo.html

    • @SekiroDubi
      @SekiroDubi ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hey man, pretty cool stuff. That Rico questline is still on my backlog of stuff to restore. That one is quite hard technically mostly due to the fact that audio for it only exist in the network test version. Hopefully one day I can get it out.

    • @bakipeta3701
      @bakipeta3701 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mu

    • @MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099
      @MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      30:50 Devil May Cry 3 music!!!???? 😱😱😱

    • @mensarius6432
      @mensarius6432 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A big problem in this video and part of your bloom theory: Malenia never stabbed herself. What she's actually doing in the trailer is bracing the blade against her shoulder so she can use her bodyweight to drive it further into Radahn; she succeeds in this attempt and that's why Radahn is paralyzed and kneeling in the next shot. This does cause the tang of the blade to go a few inches into her shoulder because the blade doesn't have a handle (being built directly into her prosthetic arm), but this is both a minor penetration and completely incidental to the action she was taking, which was to stab Radahn in the neck. This is even explicitly stated on the storyboards of CGWorld 286:
      i.imgur.com/jRCA7if.png
      i.imgur.com/sReKau1.png
      What she's doing is pretty obviously visible even in the trailer (the sword is nine feet long yet the entire thing below Malenia's hand just disappears in Radahn's body, and the last frame before the cut even shows it start to slide into his shoulder/neck), but the animatics we get of the event (also in CGWorld), on top of the storyboard, just make it undeniable. The hand-drawn notes on the third image from the left even say in Japanese:
      “Further using her entire body/the sword deeper and deeper/twisting and driving in” (+down arrow pointing at Radahn's neck wound)
      Whereas the fifth panel of the first image says:
      "full-body blade"
      You'd think if self-harm was even part of the plan rather than just something she did incidentally in the process of stabbing him, her intent would be noted on the storyboard notes that are specifically there for direction, but they're not. Also while not directly related that article also has an interesting tidbit from From's cinematic director where he notes that Malenia was already wounded before she found Radahn (presumably from cutting through his army) and then he talks about her state of mind going in to the fight.
      i.imgur.com/rohs02s.png

    • @Alex-ed4bx
      @Alex-ed4bx 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I’m just going home and I’m not going back in the office till about six or 😊

  • @ilkaysar2522
    @ilkaysar2522 ปีที่แล้ว +874

    Miqella was so close to perfection. He was going to make his own order, protect his subjects and sister from the influence of outer gods and the tyranny of the golden order.
    But then Mogh said "I like ya and I want ya" and Malenia spilled all the spagetti sauce to the floor. I am sure the DLC will be called "Miqellas worst day in landsbetween yet"

    • @ninjahattori7576
      @ninjahattori7576 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      Mohgwyn Timed all over him

    • @kharnthebetrayer7033
      @kharnthebetrayer7033 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Good ol stinkmeaner

    • @darlingxluxii7977
      @darlingxluxii7977 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Poor dude. He’s going to be NPC who maybe you will do his quest I’m guessing. Explaining the cut saint trina

    • @sadeknight9112
      @sadeknight9112 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Miquella and the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day

    • @mariusnico6938
      @mariusnico6938 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Yeah... one minute you are close to perfection, the next one you get married to a gay goat man. Life is strange indeed...

  • @Zephraxe
    @Zephraxe ปีที่แล้ว +764

    My biggest hope is that Miquella’s story gets fleshed out and expanded upon in DLC. And if Miquella gets his own ending like the cut content suggests, then I hope we don’t have to fight him. Unless, that is, he has various forms and one of them is the monstrosity that’s sleeping in Mohgwyn Palace. I’d take a guess and say he has an ethereal form like Ranni and the “burned and bodiless” form of Melina.

    • @darlingxluxii7977
      @darlingxluxii7977 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      I feel Miquella might be a NPC definitely somebody we would interact with a lot. I do feel Godwyn might be a boss like Ludwig from bloodborne

    • @NuclearCactus1
      @NuclearCactus1 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I agree. I hope Miquella gets more fleshed out and is a good ally

    • @iluvev9660
      @iluvev9660 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nahhh! He might hunt us down 😂 considering what we did to malenia.

    • @NeoConker626
      @NeoConker626 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@iluvev9660 she's optional tho, so it might be hard for them to make Canon story out of us fighting her. Like we definitely killed Radahn in canon but I have a friend who didn't even know what the Haligtree was until I showed him on his NG+

    • @solidmoon8266
      @solidmoon8266 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thatd actually make a lot of sense and be one hell of a DLC if one ever happens.

  • @CaptainFram
    @CaptainFram ปีที่แล้ว +548

    That Malenia fight was so well edited, but the Mohg boss fight was awe-inspiring

    • @matthewcummings5067
      @matthewcummings5067 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's crazy, they're not even comparable

    • @drazzytime9353
      @drazzytime9353 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Meh I 1 shot mohg before his second phase.

    • @TheFishking16
      @TheFishking16 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@drazzytime9353good ol Kamehamehameha

  • @Schunn
    @Schunn ปีที่แล้ว +356

    It seems that Miquella (out of all the Demi-gods) was the closest to becoming at the very least equal to Marika if not outright surpassing her. Out of the 3 Empyreans (Ranni and Malenia being the other 2) Miquella seems to have an alter ego of the opposite sex as St. Trina, the same way that Marika has Radagon. There seems to be an idea that being able to do that is a sign of true Godhood.
    Miquella seemed to be well loved and loved in return, and there’s ton of evidence that his ambition was to fix ALL the problems in the Lands Between. He provided sanctuary for the ostracized, he wanted to sever the influence of the Outer Gods be it the Greater Will, the Scarlet Rot, and cut content implies he had plans for the Flame of Frenzy as well, he may have even have wanted to somehow bring Godwyn back to life. Miquella seems like a stand up guy. If his story is expanded in DLC I hope he adds an additional Ending to the game, maybe some kind of Golden Ending where everything is fixed. Unlikely given the history of FrontSoftware games but we’ll see.

    • @pumpy2728
      @pumpy2728 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      T poses*

    • @iluvev9660
      @iluvev9660 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The most fearsome of empyrean indeed. I hope we can get that kind of story in dlc.

    • @dylanfallin2637
      @dylanfallin2637 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Miquella and malenia are both empyreans like ranni and merika they would have shadow st Trina could be miquella’s shadow

    • @Schunn
      @Schunn ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@dylanfallin2637 It’s possible. The only shadows we’ve seen in game (so far) were Maliketh and Blaidd, Marika and Ranni’s shadows. Theoretically, Miquella and Malenia should have their own as well. However, according to the lore, Shadows have lupine or wolf-like features. We don’t have a perfect idea of what St. Trina looks like. There’s some iconography on St. Trina’s torch that looks relatively humanoid, quite a few theorist (including myself) speculate that’s meant to represent St. Trina. Interestingly enough, some theories have connected St. Trina (Miquella) to the Godskins, who are extremely vulnerable to Sleep.

    • @Ravagerblade
      @Ravagerblade ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ranni and Malenia both stop trying to become that. For Ranni she wanted to deny fate etc and Malenia wanted to prop up her brother, So that basically just makes him the closest automatically. Not to mention Malenia having some bias towards her brother. Be a bit more objective.

  • @MithrylMyrmidon
    @MithrylMyrmidon ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Millicent's story was, of all the NPCs, my favorite. In the final battle, I chose to aid her in battle against her sisters and felt her choice to remove the needle of unalloyed gold was poignant and tragic. I agree with you that it would have been hugely impactful to discover we'd been beside Malenia all along! I'm also happy with the way things went in the canon version.
    Thank you for this wonderful video!

  • @lemongan
    @lemongan ปีที่แล้ว +170

    I wonder why no one seems to analyse that both Malenia and Miquella are the answer to one another curse. Malenia's rot could be used to mature Miquella into adulthood. And Miquella's time stopping eternal curse, unaltered flesh is the exact opposite of Malenia's curse.
    I don't know how to tie St trina to this or if it should be tied but I think the parallel is quite interesting;
    Great videos by the way, you got yourself a subscriber

    • @drhennessy1848
      @drhennessy1848 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      nice one

    • @hibikikuze1876
      @hibikikuze1876 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      To bloom into maturity and to stay in everlasting youth.
      Maybe Miqualla also thought of this since him being in a cocoon could be seen a a blossoming butterfly beside a flower in full bloom.
      These two are so intriguing to ponder and speculate since they're so mysterious yet the answers can be theorised by how much is in the game, no matter how spread out its info is.

  • @kriminal7009
    @kriminal7009 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    I love how Miquella is called unalloyed gold. It’s so perfect for his ideals. Like to be pure gold or a perfect order that includes all.

  • @darlingxluxii7977
    @darlingxluxii7977 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    That explains why Sage wanted Millicent killed to restore Malenia’s purpose and her memory with the theory you made of millicent and Malenia was amazing ❤

  • @RedAngelXV
    @RedAngelXV ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Moment of silence for Cleanrot Knight Finlay for being able to literally carry Malenia’s unconscious body through the entirety of the Lands Between, DURING A WAR no less, SINGLEHANDEDLY.
    What an absolute chad.
    I bet that the long flowing-haired statue was actually Finlay being the caretaker of the young twins. That would be such a sweet sentiment.🥰

    • @Ravagerblade
      @Ravagerblade ปีที่แล้ว

      Chadette. Finlay is a woman though.

    • @zaimhassan6490
      @zaimhassan6490 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Ravagerblade it's a woman? i could've swore I saw a tarail of gigantic set of balls dragged through Caelid to haligtree that belonged to her.

  • @themadgamer1217
    @themadgamer1217 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    Your visuals are super funny, while still being a part of an informative video, and I really appreciate it. This is awesome. 👍

    • @pritzi101
      @pritzi101 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great editing!

    • @bas9348
      @bas9348 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The part with he old guy coughing at 17:30 had me in stitches xD

  • @Midnitethorn
    @Midnitethorn ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Really like the theory that Millicent has Malenia's memories and is an off shoot of her. I'd really like the DLC (DLCs if we are lucky) to dig deeper into these twins lore and fates.

  • @SmoughTown
    @SmoughTown ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Yo a V-Limit lore video! Let's go
    TWO BLOOMS THO

    • @hhowdy
      @hhowdy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Omg SmoughTown 😱😱😱

    • @SmoughTown
      @SmoughTown ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hhowdy Hello!

    • @darthacez
      @darthacez ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SmoughTown What’s up!

    • @SmoughTown
      @SmoughTown ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@darthacez Hey my man!

  • @VLimit11
    @VLimit11  ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Finally got this video finished.
    I'd love to hear your thoughts on any topic that you agree or disagree with here, since there was a LOT of content to cover. I hope you enjoy, and all feedback will be greatly appreciated!

    • @hhowdy
      @hhowdy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s been a while cuh

    • @martakopycka3316
      @martakopycka3316 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I like the idea that Millicent is Malenia but then I can't really understand the idea of three blooms. Depending if you help or challenge Millicent she either blooms or just simply dies (though I might not remember that correctly). That would leave us with Malenia's phase transition as second or third bloom respectively so I think that makes the theory a bit unlikely.

    • @gandalfthewhite.5245
      @gandalfthewhite.5245 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for telling this story

    • @EldenGeek_Gaming
      @EldenGeek_Gaming ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just keept it , ur totally underrated ❤️

    • @hughmccrystal684
      @hughmccrystal684 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This entire video is a masterpiece which manages to turn the incredibly complicated and complex story of Elden ring into an amazingly well told story

  • @emptyptr9401
    @emptyptr9401 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    When I found Millicent my main theory was that she actually was Milenia. It seemed to fit so perfectly, so in retrospect, it would make sense that this was the original story they planned, although I am unsure why they decided to change it, since I feel like this could have been a very cool questline.
    Although, to be fair, her being carried home by a knight of hers is badass too, and Millicent now mirroring the journey, with us now being her knight could be an interesting idea to explore, but unfortunately the game doesn't really.
    That being said, this video re-ignited my fascination with Elden Ring lore. I kind of felt like, unlike with the other games, Elden Ring was a little to confusing to be interesting since there are a few too many question-marks and I would have loved to get more of a taste of the complicated and deep story-beats and characters Martin probably came up with, but this video kind of gave me that taste. Really loved it :) I also think you struck a great balance between Vaati-esk epic-ness and memes. Keep it up, I'll look forward to your next vid :)

    • @jacobnorris8256
      @jacobnorris8256 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think the reason is probably just gameplay. They likely didn't want to gate her fight behind a vague NPC quest. Or at least not a minor, very easily missed NPC quest, and they didn't want to make it a Ranni sized one due to time constraints.

    • @emptyptr9401
      @emptyptr9401 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jacobnorris8256 Sounds probable

  • @lovelycrimeboy8368
    @lovelycrimeboy8368 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    During my first playthrough I personally thought Millicent WAS Malenia in disguise or with amnesia, so i really am fond of the theory/cut content of Malenia referring to you as her friend

  • @KanaevM
    @KanaevM ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The theory that Mellicent is Malenia and we help her recover memories was what I thought when playing. Until reaching the end of the quest, obviously. I'm sad that that headcannon was false. Building up the ultimate boss. Helping her recover her arm, her skills and her memories, only to be confronted at the end.

  • @Glodwra
    @Glodwra ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Honestly, I can see them saving Miquella for a full-blown sequel as opposed to DLC. He seems way too important lore-wise. He's on his way to godhood and is next in line as reigning sovereign to the Lands Between.

    • @jacobnorris8256
      @jacobnorris8256 ปีที่แล้ว

      Elden Ring is built on a ton of unused and reused assets from previous games, so we're gonna have to wait for them to stack up again for a while if we want a sequel.

    • @shagarumedic
      @shagarumedic 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This didn’t age well

  • @selentatsukie
    @selentatsukie ปีที่แล้ว +27

    gotta say, top tier editing in this one man. both the impactful visual parallels during dialogue bits & the little funny touches. been waiting on this one and it did not disappoint!

  • @hastur2905
    @hastur2905 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great compilation! I like a lot the way you tell lore, how neatly organized it is and how you play the NPC voicelines intead of retelling it, leaves it way clearer imo. Also the editing and visuals are stunning!

  • @SquatchViking
    @SquatchViking ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I actually loved this video so much, the editing is superb and I didn't expect such quality memeage while learning about all the details of these two; I've heard of most of these facts before but you're the best when it comes to explaining things succinctly and setting the facts straight; looking forward to the next video!

  • @sothea2729
    @sothea2729 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i really love the quality of the content and with how big and complicated the story is in the game, you tell it perfectly. Thank you.

  • @chulz23
    @chulz23 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This video was great! The pace combined with the editing made the lore explanation even more clear. Lovet it!

  • @LeftBootT
    @LeftBootT ปีที่แล้ว +14

    this videos have become so stylish and filled with personality, love the videos Limit, so glad to see you constantly improving each upload

  • @lowlytarnished7672
    @lowlytarnished7672 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This editing and writing is amazing, keep making these vids they're so interesting!

  • @cloudlessnight3047
    @cloudlessnight3047 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There also might be a chance that Malenia waged war after Mogh kidnapped her brother, and tracked him down to Moghwyn Palace (Which is adjacent to Nokron/Nokstella, which is right under Caelid and Liurnia) but had no idea how to get there, and made a big deal out of it with Radhaan not revealing where he is (most likely because he didn't know either) under the assumption that the two were in cahoots with each other, or that Radhaan war playing a gamble to remove a dangerous opponent from the board. -Tis my personal theory.

  • @exiledark6573
    @exiledark6573 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    What if Melina is actually Miquella? He’s known to be feminine and passes as St. Trina as well. He made a cocoon and rested in it to grow himself, but unlike normal mortals, his method of growth resulted in moulting. His shed skin is held by Mohg in the cocoon, but it doesn’t seem to be alive and doesn’t respond. Because it’s simply an empty skin. Melina says she remembers her mother in a tree, but doesn’t specify Marika. In the Haligtree, where the space for the cocoon is, is the image of a woman. This is Melina’s “mother” she met inside the Haligtree, not the Erdtree. Mohg wasn’t in Miquella’s blood, he was trying to fill the empty skin with the Formless Mother so she could take physical form in the world. The pool he emerges from is the Formless Mother inhabiting the shed skin of Miquella. We know that Empyrean flesh, even without a soul (like Godwyn) is incredibly powerful.

    • @tisstrinity7295
      @tisstrinity7295 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I *really* like this theory. It clicks well in my brain. Good thought bubble. ❤
      It also fits in the theme of ‘dreams’ because Melina only comes to us when we are ‘resting’ at the sites of grace.

    • @dyppityjoop5912
      @dyppityjoop5912 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Coulda been, but a couple issues with that:
      Melina is housing a fragment of the destined death within her left eye, as shown in the Chaos Flame ending, and Miquella has no relation to destined death
      She is a fire maiden and Miquella is associated with trees, mind magic (bewitching branches, and the whole beloved by all thing) and if Trina is Miquella maybe sleep.
      Melina is a adult, while Miquella is cursed to forever be a child. I know he put himself into the cocoon to get rid of the curse, but the metamorphosis never finished so I think he is still probably cursed.
      However I do think Melina and Miquella do have a relationship together. I think their siblings, and that the twins were actually triplets. As each lineage of demigod children have a naming scheme. Twins Mohg and Morgott start with Mo. 3 children between Renalla and Radagkn start with R. The children of the Godfrey start with G, Godwyn, Godrick etc. I Think Melina plays into this name thing, as Miquella and Malenia start with M. But that's circumstantial at best, whats better evidence is the existence of the Aeonian, Nascent and Smouldering butterflies. In the description of the Aeonian and Nascent butterflies it relates to Malenia and Miquella respectively, Aeonian talks aboug a Goddess of Rot and Nascent says it looks like it just emerged from a cocoon for its entire life, aka it looks just born for its entire life which is a similar situation with Miquellas whole forever a child curse, also Miquella created a cocoon himself, so the relation is pretty obvious. As for the Smouldering butterfly there is no demigod to relate it to, unless you include Melina, aka the kindling maiden, as it states on the Blade of Calling, Melina's own dagger. Smoldering 's description states its an eternally burning butterfly used as kindling, which is similar to Melinas situation, as she is used as kindling for the flame to burn the Erdtree. Additionally her daggers weapon art 'Blade of Gold' is said to 'charge the armament with golden flames'.
      Also in her dialogue she constantly talks about her mother and Marika, and she literally says 'I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree', the only woman inside the Erdtree is Marika, and since she knows so much about Marika, it's pretty safe to say she is a demigod child of Marika. Another thing is that when you finish Boc the seamsters questline she speaks this line 'Your seamster, Boc... I see him crying, from time to time. I think he misses his mother. He wants someone to tell him he's beautiful. Does being born of a mother... Mean one behaves in such a manner?', despite earlier talking about a mother, she now questions what being born of mother does to a person. This is because she was not born of a mother, but of a father and mother in one single entity, aka the Marika/Radigon complex, just like Miquella and Malenia.
      As for the curse part of her heritage, Melina's curse is pretty obvious, she is a spirit, she is and i quote 'burnt and bodyless'. She, just like the Smouldering butterfly is eternally burning, and was probably born set aflame, and I believe she died from this curse, turning into a 'eternal' spirit, who would burn once again for another Elden Lord.
      To add onto this, Melina has destined death in her eye, her single right eye. And destined death is often delivered through black *flames*, additionally her daggers weapon art uses the exact same animation as the weapon arts of the Black Knife assassins, whose own weapons are imbued with destined death. And a woman with death in one eye who used flames and destined death fits perfectly with the character of the Gloam-Eyed Queen, another woman with a single signifcant eye associated with destined death. It is also said that the Gloam-Eyed Queen was an empyrean, similar to Malenia and Miquella. So if Melina was the Gloam-Eyed Queen she also shares this feature with her siblings.
      Also in the Haligtree, that staue with the 3 figures with that one mystery figure would now make sense, as the figure would not be the out of place Godwyn, but the third triplet Melina. As for whythere is no following around Melina unlike her siblings, well there is, or atleast was a cult around her. The godskin apostles, also deliverers of destined death to gods were said to follow the Gloam-Eyed Queen, and it makes somesense as to why they would skin gods, as Melina is a spirit, a corporeal one that can still influence the living world, but a spirit nontheless, perhaps when she was the Gloam-Eyed Queen she skinned gods in hope of making herself a new godly body, similar to how Ranni made herself a new body, though hers was made of straw and wood. As for why none of her half-siblings mention her, I think the reason is that Marika eventually rejected destined death, outcasting Melina, and eventually Marika made Maliketh defeat the Gloam-Eyed Queen and eventually imprison destined death within himself. Forever closing Melinas left eye. Making Melina obsolete, atleast until we came around and she kindled the fire and helped us release destined death. As for why she regains her left eye in the chaos ending, in that ending she never dies before we kill Maliketh, meaning that in that ending destined death is given back to her.
      One minor discrepancy is the colour of Melinas flames if she is the Gloam-Eyed Queen, as she wields both golden fire of the Erdtree and pure-black godkilling fire. Aswell as being related to the red-black fire of the rune of death. So idk whats up there, maybe as the kindling maiden and Empyrean of Fire she can just use all the fires. Also her relation to fire explains how she survives the chaos flame ending and even knows what the three-fingers and chaos flames even are, as aside from her very few are aware of the true nature of the chaos flame.
      So yeah, I personally buy into the thoery of Melina being the third sibling of Miquella and Malenia and them being triplet empyreans born of a single entity. And I have a smaller theory that they each have curses from a outer-god, like Malenia is cursed by the Scarlet Rot and will become the host to it aka become the Goddess of Rot, Miquella is cursed by the Formless Mother, since he is associated with Mohg, is forever a child, relating to the Mother part of the Formless Mothers name, he can go into dreams as St Trina and bewitch peoples minds/aka mind control, just like the Formless Mother corrupted Mohg into becoming a insane blood goat, and Miquella also watered the Haligtree with his own blood, relating back to the Formless Mothers blood magic, also Mohg is trying to raise Miquella to godhood through his own blood and other peoples blood sacrifices, so maybe the Formless Mother is trying to turn Miquella into a god for him to become a host, just like how Malenia became the goddess of rot and hosted the Scarlet Rot, and how Marika/Radagon became a god and hosted the Greater Will/Elden Beast/Elden Ring and how Ranni became a goddess and hosted the Dark Moon in her ending, And Melina's curse would probable be associated with the Outer-God of the Deathbirds, the Twinbird God, since the Deathbirds spells and weapons are called Ghostflames, so also fire in nature and also deal with death, just like the pure-black and red-black flames of death (there are alot of death fire types, the cold-black, red-black and pure-black flames, all have to do with death) and since she died and is just a floating spirit going around, it also makes thematic sense for her to be the empyrean of a Outer-god of death and fire. Although the deathbirds are more closely associated with Godwyn then they are Melina, since those-who-live-in-death and all the death sorceries have ghostflames (aka flames of the deathbirds/Twinbird God) and colours (pale blue-white) that are related to the Twinbird God and also Godwyn. So if it's not the Twinbird God, then Melina's Outer-God would probably be the Fell Flame God of the giants, but the Fell Gods flames are bright red and are called 'ruinous', instead of anything relating to death, and have little to do with death in general, having more to do with destruction than death. But the Fell God is one eyed, and Radagon was cursed by the giants to have red hair, maybe that curse extended to Melina, and burned her. But that connection is not that stable, similar to the Twinbird God, maybe Melina's Outer-God is yet to be mentioned, but that also seems unlikely, since all the 4 other empyreans already got their Outer Gods mentioned. Idk, but its just a theory after all.

    • @HxH2011DRA
      @HxH2011DRA ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dyppityjoop5912 damn, long af (but I believe it)

    • @Lialey22
      @Lialey22 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dyppityjoop5912 could it be "her" outer God is the frenzied flame? Since she's doing everything she can to stop us from becoming the lord of frenzy? Just like Malenia she doesn't want to be the vessel of her outer God but since she's bodyless can't do anything to stop us?
      Also maybe they weren't triplets, but she is a sister of them. Duality - seen with Marika-Radagon, Morgot-Mogh and Malenia-Miquella is too much of a thing in this game. But the three are connected for sure (as you said with the butterflys)
      But nevertheless your interpretation is so well put together!! ✌ Melina, Miqella and Malenia are by far the most interesting characters

    • @gaythugsmatter7029
      @gaythugsmatter7029 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dyppityjoop5912 not reading all that

  • @alblank1316
    @alblank1316 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Watching you get progressively better at making videos/editing and your sense of humor keep me coming back. Great stuff

  • @LyricSnowe
    @LyricSnowe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The editing/visuals were beautifully done and also helped my follow the story points.

  • @atlas4631
    @atlas4631 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this was so helpful and informative (and also rlly funny)!! i learned some new stuff i haven’t come across in lore videos before so thanks :)

  • @7F0X7
    @7F0X7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Maybe St. Trina is the Miquella of the dream world, and Miquella is the person in the waking world. I don't think Radagon was always the same person as Marika because there's item descriptions that indicate Radagon was descended from the fire giants and thus resented his red hair and there's also a suspicious bit a red hair in one of the description of a jar item (can't remember which one exactly, but it was definitely there). I think Radagon came from the North then marched south where he met Rennala in battle. There's a stone sword shine confirming this in Liurnia. Then there's also the Church in Liurnia (the turtle pope church) specifically built to reconcile the glintstone academy/carian royals with the royalty of Lyndell.
    It just doesn't make sense that Radagon was Marika pumping out children from Godfrey while he simultaneously marched down from the north to meet Rennala and then marry her. It makes far more sense if Radagon was his own person, and then met Marika and founded that church with her to reconcile Liurnia and Lyndell. There's also talisman descriptions that indicate Radagon left Rennala after learning everything about sorcery to be with Marika and learn everything about incantations. I think around the time that church was built was when Radagon truly left Rennala and then underwent some kind of alchemy to fuse with Marika, yet they could still switch both body and minds at will as proven in the final battle in the game.
    Now, taking that idea into account. What if St. Trina is actually her own person in a 'dream world' which originated at Elphael and in the dream world Miquella fused with her in the same way his father fused with his mother? If this actually turns out to be the case in the DLC, then I think I deserve a cookie lol

  • @Princessgia
    @Princessgia ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The no BS dialog of a video earned my subscription. Worth listening to the entire 31:51 minutes. Looking forward to checking out the rest of your work.

  • @wespensen823
    @wespensen823 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved the video, excellent overview of the lore of these two character, and I loved the style it was made in!

  • @oliverfletcher5884
    @oliverfletcher5884 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is such an excellent video, so masterfully crafted in its curation of events. So easy to follow and comprehendable, truly magnificent!

  • @paolosolcruz
    @paolosolcruz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Impressive video production! Definitely great depth and research! Such a gem!

  • @ryanladuke9399
    @ryanladuke9399 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Once again great video. Your edits are the absolute cream of the crop! I would gladly watch any video you make regardless of the game/subject

  • @DimensionRIFT
    @DimensionRIFT ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Well thought out and put together. Thanks for sharing this work and continue making great pieces.

  • @leandro0720bitch
    @leandro0720bitch ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro you killed this edit. Beautifully pieced together.

  • @coreyrachar9694
    @coreyrachar9694 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Damn, that was a really nice video. Even though it was mostly stuff I already knew the way you lined everything up in the video made me realize some new connections. Pretty sweet editing too, in particular the Mohg fight was really epic.

  • @iwishiwasadragon8137
    @iwishiwasadragon8137 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The edit is absolutely amazing, no wonder it took a while to make this video

  • @isam_ii502
    @isam_ii502 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video is very very well produced. Great job making it!

  • @kostasgalanis4589
    @kostasgalanis4589 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ive heard about this topic 1000 times and i could hear you say these things 1000 more , love the new editing too

  • @Stryveon
    @Stryveon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really quality video mate! The editings, voice lines, and everything, beautiful

  • @R_nin
    @R_nin ปีที่แล้ว +5

    D and his twin brother actually do have names. The one with the twinned set is named Darian, and his twin brother, the one in Nokron, is named Devin. Darian's name is revealed after finishing Fia's questline, and Devin's name is revealed if you kill Darian when you meet him in Limgrave, but most people wouldn't know their names since one is tied to a quest, and the other is if you kill Darian when you meet him. Just a little fun fact.

  • @qg8924
    @qg8924 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the lore, the edits, & in depth perception of possible theories. Well done sir, well done 👏👏

  • @RiderZer0
    @RiderZer0 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think it’s important to note that Godwyn was killed by Ranni. She stole a piece of the death rune to kill Godwyn’s soul and in turn killed her own body. Which is why she lives as a spirit in a puppet body.

  • @Smiling_Tears
    @Smiling_Tears ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This channel needs more attention and love. The video quality is superb and humor on point.

  • @lorddervish212quinterosara6
    @lorddervish212quinterosara6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love your videos bro, always fun to watch, very enjoyable

  • @prafulltiwari8929
    @prafulltiwari8929 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is amazing editing, it's like I'm looking at a living comic book. Love this

  • @DjDizzy216
    @DjDizzy216 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great analysis of the lore, editing and narration. Subbed.

  • @Rararahul1313
    @Rararahul1313 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Let's take a moment to appteciate how well the video is edited. Trully awesome!

  • @abdullahbouchi2042
    @abdullahbouchi2042 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done ! This was an amazing video 👍 hope to see more of your content in the future

  • @busybeingbusy
    @busybeingbusy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally someone explaining everything easily with some funny edits ❤. Thank you!

  • @TheShowerofSlime
    @TheShowerofSlime ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I almost died at 8:30. Idris's clip was perfect and I love this comic book style video so much. Happy holidays

  • @sucinistro
    @sucinistro 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this was the best vid i watched about this part of the lore, i love ur editing

  • @scarabus3413
    @scarabus3413 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video answered so many of my questions thanks a lot keep up the good work

  • @anhdunghisinh
    @anhdunghisinh ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had always asked myself why Malenia was so desperated to win against Radahn by using Scarlet Bloom. But then i reach the Mohgwyn Palace, and the place was right under Caleid, and even match the arena where we fight Radahn. Makes me wonder, did Malenia come to Caleid just for fighting Radahn, or she came there to find Miquella? Thinking there might be a way to get to Mohgwyn Palace in Caleid? Or because just like the Nokron's case, killing Radahn who had conquered the stars help drilling a hole to Mohgwyn Palace?

  • @avecenix85
    @avecenix85 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is good to see there are many utubers nowadays doing research of ER lore..thanks for the contents and your efforts..😍😍

  • @aarienblack5953
    @aarienblack5953 ปีที่แล้ว

    You got a good sense of humor, it kept me interested through the whole video, keep it up! 😸

  • @HenryGreenEngine3
    @HenryGreenEngine3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bless you Mr Vyke-Limit. Your work is grand and impeccable

  • @Toonfish_
    @Toonfish_ ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Hey I dunno if I misinterpreted your joke at 8:29, but in case you didn't know and are interested, "wet nurse" is actually just a term for someone who breastfeeds and cares for someone else's child :D
    Love your videos and your style btw. I stopped watching Vaati's videos ages ago but you gave the format a really shiny fresh paint of coat and I'm enjoying it a lot, so thank you for reigniting my love for souls lore!

    • @uuqu
      @uuqu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      reminds me of mergo's wet nurse

  • @maleniabladeofmiquella3758
    @maleniabladeofmiquella3758 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Malenia is my favorite character and boss of all time. I really wonder why they cut all of this. Maybe for dlc ? I don’t know, but it seems like they cut so much from Malenia !
    Her voice actor is amazing and I would like to hear her play Malenia more

    • @DreyfusLagoon
      @DreyfusLagoon ปีที่แล้ว

      Too bad her boss fight is rng garbage 🔥🔥🔥

    • @maleniabladeofmiquella3758
      @maleniabladeofmiquella3758 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DreyfusLagoon every boss has RNG to it. It feels like you are fighting your equal with her

    • @DreyfusLagoon
      @DreyfusLagoon ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maleniabladeofmiquella3758 until she uses her undodgable attack that will one shot your character no matter your level of vigor. Significantly worse boss than the likes of Godfrey or mohg who actually do feel like you’re a fighting on level ground. Malenia is actually an incredibly easy boss aside from her one move that makes her absolutely infuriating and turns the fight into rng whether or not she is going to use the move 2 times or 6

    • @maleniabladeofmiquella3758
      @maleniabladeofmiquella3758 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DreyfusLagoon that’s untrue. She uses it at certain points. Once at 3/4 health left, 50% 40% and 10%. That’s if you are playing passively. If you are aggressive she will only do the beginning and last one. Her second phase is the only time it’s RNG

    • @maleniabladeofmiquella3758
      @maleniabladeofmiquella3758 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DreyfusLagoon and no she’s not easy what so ever lol she forces you to master everything she does and she’s extremely fast. She doesn’t have a lot of wind up’s

  • @evanleah6024
    @evanleah6024 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have to say your content makes me nostalgic of the early days of learning Dark Souls lore through Vaatividya. Amazing video and I hope you get the recognition you deserve.

  • @HohoHahaWorkshop
    @HohoHahaWorkshop ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like your editing, narative, story-telling style dude! item desc. sync perfectly with videos. Auto subscribe!

  • @TheNeonP
    @TheNeonP ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great video as always, love the editing style with some memes

  • @danielforbes3311
    @danielforbes3311 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude I love your style of lord telling occasionally popping in important sentences said I loved it please make more like this like mogh and morgot

  • @jaydon5091
    @jaydon5091 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your combinations of video clips with the audios and descriptions make it much easier to understand

    • @VLimit11
      @VLimit11  ปีที่แล้ว

      Appreciate that! Framing stuff closely around the source material also ensures that I don't stray too far into unrelated tangents 😅

  • @mohamadnourshorai1447
    @mohamadnourshorai1447 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your content is so amazing and the editing is fantastic

  • @ManMad17
    @ManMad17 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your edits man!!!! It's informative and funny at the same time! Looking forward to see more of your content!

  • @andraskatai4966
    @andraskatai4966 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A pleasure to watch, as always ^^

  • @lambdaweaponscache5394
    @lambdaweaponscache5394 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am most definitely subscribed- your analysis is excellent and you have a fantastic speaking voice. Keep it it man.

  • @saahwn1871
    @saahwn1871 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was awesome. Loved the production style and felt like it was short and coherent enough to really get a lot out of. I’ve watched so many lore videos and this is the first I’ve seen of gowry’s transformation

  • @sanvy4367
    @sanvy4367 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lovely work. Really enjoyed that

  • @natan1173
    @natan1173 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This got me hyped for miquella dlc. Awesome video!

  • @courageousodin
    @courageousodin ปีที่แล้ว

    crazy good editing to accompany the narration

  • @arthurhsu9111
    @arthurhsu9111 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice edit and video style as always, thanks Vaati-Limit.

  • @fatbeepbeep883
    @fatbeepbeep883 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    just discovered the channel. it's a blessing thank you. good day mi lord

  • @TSFCaesar
    @TSFCaesar ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was an incredibly well made video!

  • @totallynot15snakes74
    @totallynot15snakes74 ปีที่แล้ว

    very cool video loved all the edits in it

  • @daveyjackson3606
    @daveyjackson3606 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love your breakdowns! Liked and Subbed These are fantastic

  • @user-zp8kj2cl9g
    @user-zp8kj2cl9g ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ohhh fancy new editing style. I love it

  • @vendellin6230
    @vendellin6230 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, good editing and funny too, subbed.

  • @DirtRider999
    @DirtRider999 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great stuff as always!

  • @viniciusdammski607
    @viniciusdammski607 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very good storytelling and nice edits, my dude.

  • @toftbo6928
    @toftbo6928 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really great video. Keep it out

  • @darkblu117zcrookedneck8
    @darkblu117zcrookedneck8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoyed you're long Elden Ring video. It really great and funny.
    I hope to see more.

  • @j1562
    @j1562 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The edits throughout this video were top notch

  • @HeiroftheAbyss
    @HeiroftheAbyss ปีที่แล้ว +1

    (the editing is godlike..just had to mention it)
    Miquella is so intriguing. I'm waiting for a dlc so bad haha
    again an incredible video V-limit :)

    • @VLimit11
      @VLimit11  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much! And yeah, I'm really hoping the inevitable DLC involves Miquella in some way

  • @cardboard2night
    @cardboard2night ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great editing! Lore is good too👍

  • @yvngking3865
    @yvngking3865 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great vid. More than earned my subscription

  • @1myfriendjohn
    @1myfriendjohn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video mate!

  • @8844DRAKE
    @8844DRAKE ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This video was excellent at describing their story

  • @user-ij1mp9mj2h
    @user-ij1mp9mj2h ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The editing 😩👌 so good

  • @bandsweretaken2705
    @bandsweretaken2705 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is so well edited

  • @eziowayne
    @eziowayne ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whoa! Very nice editing!

  • @StewartHiles
    @StewartHiles ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your lore videos!!

  • @valorantparaburros
    @valorantparaburros ปีที่แล้ว

    damn the quality of your videos is crazy for a relatively small channel, keep it up man you're doing great

  • @koschan7469
    @koschan7469 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    loved the editing that was hilarious

  • @reinor8670
    @reinor8670 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude i've been watching your vids from a while now,and your editing on this one is impressive.Love your content !

    • @VLimit11
      @VLimit11  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much! Always happy to see people who have been around a while and enjoy the current direction.

  • @Gabriel-uy4eh
    @Gabriel-uy4eh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very nice editing on this video man