CHRISTOPHE GODIN explains the difference between a jazz guitarist and a rock guitarist
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- Christophe Godin gave a workshop entitled "Kartoon Guitar Clinic" at the Schorndorfer Gitarrentage 2014. I found his humorous exploration of the differences between jazz and rock guitarists worth posting here.
WARNING!
This video contains humor!
If you know that you do not have a sense of humor please don't watch the video!
If you notice that you don't at least smile while watching, please consult a doctor urgently.
Recorded with my Pana Lumix TZ61 pocketcam on May 31, 2014.
"a jazz guitarist doesn't know how to use a bridge pickup"
hahaha
they do, but use it only when they tunes their guitar
Also: no palm muting. Never.
Wait. There's a BRIDGE pickup now? 🤯
rock guitarists see Maj7, diminished chords, 13th chord, and will play that all in power chords.
What chord are you playing? Uhh 7
@@alexdattel2757 just play 2 5 1 in f#
or hybrid pick the adds in between chords.
Bald, that 'charismatic' face, seems like Devin Townsend rock guitarist tutorial to me, LOL :D
the face of kratos haha nice guitarist
Holy cow he just turned himself into John Scofield!
hhaahhaahhaa11 Best comment in this video. Hahaha.
I saw Scofield at a jazz club in LA a couple decades back and he left fusion to return to bebop with a fine trio. However when he came out and started the first tune he held his head way back and grimaced like he had pulled a groin muscle or came on to something. That was short lived though and he returned to normal playing chords and melodies together in some good tunes I hadn't heard before.
jazz: 5000 notes, 3 people in the audience.
rock: 3 notes, 5000 people in the audience.
***** nah more like 5
+Kowboy Santos
Jazz: The art of making difficult playing look easy
Rock: The art of making easy playing look difficult
hahah yes
+Kowboy Santos That's 3 "Chords" not "Three Notes"!
there are chords?? lol jk. thank you! yes, correct.
9:12 Oh he tried so hard to play simple and sloppy, but couldn't
"Don't do anything too complicated"
*plays super complicatedly*
It's impossible to play sloppy when you are a talented musician.
Something I heard in my lessons was "amateurs practice until they can do it right; professionals practice until they can't do it wrong". Seems to apply here.
The music scene is cleary missing people like this guy. Musicians nowadays, regardless of genre, always seem so square and always taking themselves ultra seriously.
He now looks like a crossover between The Rock and James Hetfield.
Rock: Play four chords to an audience of thousands.
Jazz: Play thousands of chords to an audience of four.
😄
Bahahaha... That was a good laugh man!!! Thank you!
Has anyone else even noticed he has an amazing singing voice and and that he can actually play the shit out of the guitar for real??
He's actually quite renowned in the french guitar community, and writes a column in the biggest guitar magazine in france
He can, but here to much talking..pff rather boring
This shit cracked me up. 11 people take themselves too seriously.
the tone volume... hahahaha
Christophe is just a pure genius !
"Wen you see someone playing a big guitar with a small amp, that's a jazz player....someone with a small guitar and a big amp, that's a rocker...."
And then........ There's Guthrie Govan
Actually, I do get the feeling, that quite a few talented jazz/metal/jazz metal musicians have a good sense of humour, but that it is us fans that take our favorite music and bands and players way to seriously. Having a good laugh does not mean that you don’t take your music seriously, do your best, try to break barriers and create something new. Sometimes people just fail to see the humour, because the music is too technical for our small minds to understand, I guess😃👍🏻🤘🏻
2:46 < a "djent" guitarist look.
There are no mistakes in jazz ! Classical guitarists are not allowed to make mistakes !
The biggest difference is that rock guitarist don't give a shit, jazz guitarist cry about being better than everyone who is not into jazz.
The funny thing about jazz,is that you never know if the guys really know how to play,or if they are doing that thing called jamming,which any idiot can do.-FRANK ZAPPA-
Not true.
When did he say this?
Don't ever bring false thing.
Leave it to somebody French to dismantle jazz guitar. Sure, make fun of jazz people, make fun of rock people, but I still love that music in the very depth of my soul. How should I feel about this video? I guess you just can't take it seriously right? Just kidding right? You'd better hope so or what's the point of even trying?
Fake.. he forgot the WAH pedal for rock guitarists xD
Where is Kirk Hammett at???
I'm both guitarrists, I love Jazz and Rock, why not?
Absolutely agree, I am not a good player, but I love guitar playing whatever the style. Currently I found a great peace trying to play jazz, bossa nova...and one thing is true at least to me, the chord progressions are really more complicated in jazz than in rock music, the harmony is beyond the progressions requires a lot of study. This point is not so important in rock with no clean sound...or even in blues. I found the jazzy finger style arrangements of rock and pop songs really clever and I love the sound of the new chords I must learn to play jazz. Anyway, I will queen playing rock,blues and jazz the rest of my life, depending of my mood condition I need one style or another.
Me too. Started with classical as a kid, played in rock bands (still do) then to improve my improvising took to jazz. I love it all & as you say 'why not ?'
Exactly. Who made a rule that like football you only support ONE style. Imagine if the great innovators, going back centuries, stuck to some 'rule' that stopped him/her from developing the music they heard in their mind. We'd still be banging sticks together. I say do/play whatever you enjoy.
+Mark Thuaux and It's very important to appreciate various music forms, as you I like classical, rock, blues, funk, pop, and a huge list. But know I'm studing modern music at the university and we only play jazz there, also fusion jazz and bossa nova, latin, and more types, is awesome to have the oportunity to study music! :)
+Carlos Cortegoso totalmente de acuerdo! greetings from Spain!
The only difference between a rock guitarist and a jazz guitarist is that a jazz guitarist can play guitar.
+b232now Jazz & blues share much. Jazz was born from the the blues. Rock was too but illegitimately lol.
+Mark Thuaux Not gonna lie I lol'd...
+led96zeppelin Really ?? A talented comedienne & a great player of at least rock & jazz guitar, but you're right, sedate him. All of the audience who loved him and his self deprecating humour are wrong, you're right & I'm sure you know best in, well, Everthing. Thanks soooo much for everything !!.
Mark Thuaux I don't think you understood my comment, at all. I loved the video, I just can't stand the attitude of some jazz guitarists, have a good day (night, whatever)
+led96zeppelin You're right, I didn't understand your comment. Apologies for any shit I inadvertently or misunderstandingly threw your way. You have a good ne too. Thanks for not biting my head off for getting it wrong. 👍👍
Frank Gambale / Yngwie Malmsteen
I did not smile when watching this video and I think there is nothing wrong with me.
''I'm the best guitarist in the world except for this gypsy that lives in France.''
+jack freeman Is that you, Emmett Ray? Where have you been? Shoot any good rats lately?
:) Cool.
This guy made me laugh! :D Take it in the spirit it's intended people!
Hello guitarist out there:
You can explain the difference much shorter:
A jazz guitarist plays hundreds of chords for few people,
a rock guitarist plays few chords for hundreds of people.
Nuff said, isn't it ?
*****
Please don't take my comment to serious. Same is for the clip here.
***** hundreds of guitarists*
+b232now As I have answered above my statement is just as ridiculous as the video. So my point is just kidding!
No trolling for that, I know chords like Em7b5 or C69 myself, so nevermind. C69 sounds great at the end of a song if you add a G flat to it, that means a flattened fifth. Since I know all this stuff there is nothing you have to worry about;-).
And so, music had run its' course.
The last that i remember it was a pop vs rock thing this joke
What no love for the whammy bar or wah peddle lol
Great stuff! There needs to be more humor in music. I'm a guy who plays both jazz and rock, but I can attest that I also have a healthy sense of humor!
I feel like no one caught the extent of his sarcasm... I loved his bit.
Rock guitar... just set the amp at 11*
Same went for John McLaughlin in the Mahavishnu Orchestra days.
They also had the worlds best drummer....
D minor for ballads, the saddest key
Geez guys i'm a jazz guitarist, i love rock, and i'm laughing my ass off what is it that makes you people so angry?
Lots of rock musicians take the piss out of jazz , but never other niche genres like folk or country . You know why ? Because they can't do it and no-one in the jazz world cares about their egos or their 'shredding' millions of notes . You can just tell that this man has been at some point rejected by the jazz world and is still smarting from it .
hes a great performer with a good sense of humor like frank zappa
lol there is a reason why rock always draws the bigger crowds ..... like 10 fold
Jan Akkerman
A Rock Guitarist
A Jazz Guitarist
A Classical Guitarist
A Blues Guitarist
A Funk Guitarist
A "Lute" Guitarist
and any other styles that you can think of.
Simply the best
Exactly! Thanks Jan Akkerman!
I love Rock music. But most (most, not all...) of rock guitarrists think, act and play like kids. Jazz is art.
"tava mais bobo que banda de rock..." Zeca Balero.
E essa frase lixo desse m3rd4 chamado Zeca Balero eh legal ? A musica dele eh um lixo perto de qualquer banda de rock decente. Quem eh esse lixo pra criticar bandas de rock?
This guy kicks ass. I totally respect Jazz guitar, though.
funny. Jazz is really difficult and I do not enjoy jazz anyway.
This joke is getting old and doesn't even reflect well on Christophe. Let's hear him play some of the classic jazz repertoire with a straight face, no effects and with good time. Any takers?
it was funny, but I feel also sad because Rock musician are always doing fun of us Jazz musicians and then they are asking us for help to teach them harmony not only power chords and also to teach them Jazz scales. it's not fair. :(
Hahaha you're a jazz guitarist? Lmaoooo 🤣🤣🤣. Btw can you teach me some chords?
J'adore! j'en pleure! Enfin un luthier guitariste qui a de l'humour ! et merci à CG d'avoir lancé un bon gros débat qui visiblement fait recette compte tenu des commentaires précédents :-))
Rock guitarists play simple cliches. Jazz guitarists play complicated ones.
plantagenant add "bad" in front of it and you are completely right
😂😂😂
It depends actually of what type of rock are you playing.
jazz guitarists can not bend the string
hmcccpp well if you say so.
LinkBulletBill isnt it?i dont mean fusion guitarists ,i mean real jazz guitarist, it s just that kind of a "static" style of playing, you know not like blues rock or whatever,where you always bend...
hmcccpp Pat Metheny bends a string 1% of the time each concert.
+hmcccpp They can, they just don't want to.
+jaw350 no, they cant,
Great video!
I think the real difference is that jazz guitarists learn a lot of theory and a few techniques, whereas rock guitarists learn a lot of techniques and a little theory.
This annoying background something...
Had me crying laughing!😂
Laughed my ass off. So funny, great work Mr Godin for brining some laughter to the world. I can see the Jazz muso's commenting below, sound pissed off. Lol.
hey! this guy's voice and attitude remind me a lot Frank Zappa... Kudos!... I wonder if he is related to Godin guitars in some way... anyways, it was fun...
Nope it's just his name... And he plays Vigier guitars
nice jesu joy of man's desiring at 11:24
+and then i said And how many 'rock only' players would have the aural skills, let alone the musicianship drummed into them in their formative, learning years to recognise the quick phrase thrown in there, I bet on the fly. Well done for spotting it, I missed it !!
Mark Thuaux careful now! I've been known to think too much of myself haha
I sometimes get a little obsessed with musicians quoting random pieces, feels like inside jokes hidden at plain "sight"... they're very fun to catch.
It's particularly fun to see Bucky Pizzarelli troll his son John by quoting Satin Doll often when they play together. John himself gets a little trolly with Smoke on the Water and Stairway to Heaven. Guthrie Govan starts to play ringtones when he's frustrated and wants to get a laugh, problem is he is so awesome, sometimes people end up rocking out to the Nokia ringtone hahah
Godine n'aurait-il pas manqué une carrière de grand comique plutôt que de galérer aux 4 coins du monde en grattant (admirablement ceci étant dit) ?
En fait, j'apprécie pleinement sa carrière de guitariste comique !
Gonine n'aurait-il pas manqué une carrière de grand critique musical ?
arf arf
La première pose, Yngwie Malmsteen
Not that funny - I believe 'real' jazz guitarists deserve more respect.
worst hair band ever seen
The difference between a jazz musician and a rock musician is that jazz musicians play 3000 chords for 3 people and rock musicians play 3 chords for 3000 people.
I couldn't get past minute 2:52 but I hope he mentioned the huge divide in understanding moving harmony
I presume people paid good money to sit through this?
oui et alors ???
Why not? It's funny, he can entertain and can play.
The screaming bassist got me.. x'D
so technically to be a jazz guitarist you should hold your guitar like john petrucci
a jazz guitarist plays the guitar, a rock guitarist plays the distortion(s) and the guitar
Its ultimately the difference between a nice librarian girl and and hot blonde bombshell....the first ll try to attract you with her wit,smarts personality etc etc etc but the second ll attract you just cause...she exists.....
Bach had also more as 3 chords, I think there are more as 3 people who heard the music of Bach. But now think about Miles Davis, Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, Louis Armstrong, Davis Sanborn and named and named.They played all on more as 3 chords. When I was as young Benny Goodman was a bigger Star as the Rolling Stones are now (look at the Movie"The Benny Goodman Story! Making noise with guitars and 3 chords is the proof of decadence of humanity. So stop to be ignorant and think and learn. As a bad joke, well, it can be accepted
Jazz music? Oh you mean playing random stuff, sometimes out of tune and saying : "yeah you understand nothing to music, I'm an educated musician so STFU". Yeah jazz. Just kidding, I don't want to get all the butthurt over educated guitarists on the planet against me. Godin is fun and incredible as usual.
The difference between the difference between a jazz guitarist and a rock guitarist? A jazz guitarist plays a 5,000 chords to 3 people, and a rock guitarist plays 3 chords to 5,000 people! lol
Bonjour J'ai une Godin XTSA mais je ne peux exploiter toutes ses possibilités car je n'ai pas le mode d'emploi en francais Comment utiliser correctement les vis de bloquages pour les cordes que l'on change (au niveau des mécanismes) Comment passer de l'éléctriique à l'accoustique ? En ce moment je joue comme si j'avais une simple guitare électrique en branchant le jack sur l'ampli guitare et c'est tout Merci d'avance...Jean louis
I'd like to point at the same video with the russian voiceover: th-cam.com/video/SZJDlZtaDx4/w-d-xo.html
Is it legal or a click theft?
Nearly the same amount of views so far...
Thx for the info. This is definitely an unauthorized copy.
If somebody wants to use my content, it is always a good idea to ask me for permission instead of just taking and reposting it.
btw, is there some options in youtube for such voiceover translation or just subtitles added to original video? It would probably duplicate the video, even if being on the same channel.
how is this your content? are you the man in the video?
The difference is that people actually like rock guitarists.
Charlie Christian, Joe Pass, Wes Montgomery, Barney Kessel, Kenny Burrell, Grant Green, Herb Ellis, Monnette Sudler, Tal Farlow. Django Reinhardt, George Benson.
Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Keith Richards, Richie Blackmore, Tony Iommi, Jimmy Page, Pete Townsend, Slash, Robert Fripp, Dave Gilmour. They all influenced me in some shape or form but there is a man in the middle of all that who I have not mentioned. Nile Rodgers. He couldn't hold a candle to Joe Pass but then who cares. He's old school and has style. That's what it's all about.
It's a nice joke. But a joke with 12 minutes and a big problem: don't have a punch line. And in this case, the punch line is obvious.
1) jazz guitarist (true, all true)
2) rock guitarist (true, all true)
3) (the punch line) enters a big fat old black man with a physical disability, pulls up a guitar and says "get out of the way kids. let me show you how a guitar is really played" and he plays the blues... and the jazz and rock guitarist just listen and look to the ground. Ashamed.
The Jazz bit was cool but during the rock part I couldn´t hear the bass player anymore and he completely drowned the drums too
Funny though
genious, great,,,,
though i prefer the blues,, but this represents those things
Jordan Rudess' guitar-playing brother...
Quite funny twin :p (I'm your darker twin)
so whats the difference from a rockjazz guitar player?
Ce que Christophe Godin a oublié c'est que les guitaristes de jazz n'avaient pas d'humour... (cf) :)
Me parece deleznable y lleno de tópicos su discernimiento acerca de los guitarristas. Como cómico es usted pésimo. Dedíquese a hacer música y aprenda que falta le hace. O bien siga haciendo su "espectaculo", pero recuerde que mofarse, de personas gratuitamente le puede salir caro. Le comentaría que me parece usted y su banda llena de aparatos caros y sordinas pa la batería, pero bastaría con dejarle mi "equipo" a ver cómo sonaría su música. Eso si, y no me equivoco seguro: su prepotencia deja claro que se cree muy bueno, un gran artista, y si tiene experiencia como alardea, sabrá que todo eso no le llevara a buen puerto, sino a la envidia. P.D.: si suelto los insultos que se merece, me parecería demasiado a usted.
A guitarist is a guy that put his 3000$ guitar in the trunk of his 300$ car to play for 30$ in front of 3 people....
Funniest part is at 11:38 when the drummer accidentally loses a stick :D
Rock guitarist sounds good, Jazz guitarist sounds bad. Here is the difference ! 😝
The main difference between a Jazz guitarist and a Rock Guitarist? Well Jazz Guitarists usually labour under the false assumption that 27 notes are always better
then 1 - as long as they are shoe horned into a key that doesn't really fit the track being played, and of course, they are often totally deaf to that oldest of musics friends - a melody!
On the other hand Rock Guitarists have lousy fashion sense and often play the exact same solo over at least four songs in their set.
il y a un autre guitariste potache en ce moment
Eric&Manopulse Ode érotico moyenàgeuse guitare totale clip2
This man plays jazz like a pro bro
Who is Schorndofter and why do they want him to die? He must be a jazz player....
la difference , simple ecoute christophe jouer du jazz ensuite ecoute pat martino !ahaha sorry christophe ! ensuite jazz ou rock perso je m'en fous tant que c'est bien !
This is funny but this distinction is also harmful. So many guitarists insist theory will hurt them creatively and refuse to learn things that will only open so many other musical doors for them. Tablature is fine but you can't play with other musicians as easily.
I know this is a joke but my friend is a metal guitarist and he plays his guitar up that high. he swears buy it.
Jazz is difficult. Rock is simplier.
+Profiledek -
Oh, please. That is not always the case.
+Greg Pasquier I didn't really comment on the video, I didn't even watch all of it. I simply answered the "difference between jazz and rock". It doesn't make any sense to seek for differences in particular instruments, like guitar, drums or keyboard. Let's just think about jazz and rock. Which has a richier harmony? More difficult rhythms? More scales, theory and more advanced improvisation? I think the answer is clear.
Again, there are 100000 other arguments, I just stated the most obvious ones. To be clear, let's not talk about our preferences, tastes etc. Let's not talk about which is "better". I don't care, for me there is only "music", I don't like to seperate it and so I never do.
I'm kind of a player myself. Don't mean I'm a professional but I kind of been studying both classical and jazz/rock/popular music. You gotta accept some facts but first you got to get really curious about it. Without a deep analysis music often remains one big mystery.
+Profiledek It seems you did not get the point. You shouldn't comment what you didn't watch. Read my warning above.
+wforkel As long as I'm just stating the truth, which is also clearly connected with the topic of your video, I don't see why can't I post such a comment. And then again, I don't care about any "point", either I get it or not, and either if I watched it or not I still have permission to comment whatever I like. Comment section is a free section, nothing more or less. A free field.
If I write "banana" is because I like to, it can make a point or it can be just as it is. I'm not insulting anyone with "banana" or whatever. But then you would write it's about apples, not bananas wouldn't you? So I got a good tip for you, if you don't like a comment just ignore it.
+Profiledek Or delete it because I am the owner of this channel...
The difference between a jazz guitarist and a earthling.
Funny and fact
They act like rockers.....the don´t have to. They are rockers.
Rock guitarists know when to shut up and play yer guitar.
Thanks for sharing that great video!! :)
1:44 - SteveT, the jazz guitarist
Lol
Why is the drummer in the terrarium?
Even better, a jazz guitarist knows and can explain why he or she plays a chord or a third or fifth or flat nine, a rock guitarist, in many cases, goes "I don't know. I just like it. What's a flat nine?" But hey, this is America, we love laughing at those who are smarter and better educated than most. Just look at who we elected in 2016.
Grow some sense of humor, dear Lord....is just a joke alright? Plus, your argument is stupid, like who cares why you play a sus54 flat82 minus square root of a fifth ....who the hell cares... If you are to do your job as a musician, you must place yourself in the shoes of the listener. And your audience won't give two shits about all that stuff, it, as you said, simply has to sound nice. I don't extra respect you because you know all that shit. I extra respect you if your music touches my soul. Otherwise you're "meh", even though you're "WOW" in knowledge.
4:04 I absolutely died here, holy shit
Looks like Jordan Rudess..