Why Your Coaster's Stats Suck - Stat Requirements Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 พ.ค. 2021
- Have you ever built a coaster that has low stats for seemingly no reason? In this video we find out why this happens and how to prevent it.
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We at the University of Stuttgart in Germany checked your math multiple times and can confirm. 7 Meters really is less than 9 Meters. Your math is correct.
Thank you very much! It's a complicated equation and even though I had checked my work twice I was worried a mistake might've creeped in, but it's nice to know that that isn't the case.
But which way should the crocodile face??? Math expert needed!
If we already have a university on the case, I would like to have a 20 page essay explaining the math in detail that 7 meters is less than 9 meters. It always was my fist intuition but it would be nice to have some proof to show for the next time this discussion comes up. Greeting from Munich
@@ssingfo veritasium has a video called "this is maths fatal flaw" where he mentions something to this effect. its so much worse than what youd think tho lol
that seems fishy to me... is that peer reviewed¿¿
'The chairlift with 1 station intrigued me. I didn't think it would be any different to, say, a merry-go-round. How I was so naïve back then... I was about half way round until my soul was ripped out of my body. I saw it flee in despair while my vision turned to black and my brain was crushed under the paradox that something could be so unexciting. This is my final plea to the world. A warning for those who are more lucky than me.' - Bill M. on Tripadvisor.
'Burger from Burger Stall 1 is really good value'
Lol 😂
Me who doesn't even play rct2: yes, this knowledge is vital for my survival.
Never too late to start playing. It's a pretty fun game.
Yeah i only started playing in 2020 and its still great
If your pc is shit give it a try it runs like a dream
me irl
That's the first step. Step 2 is getting into it, or getting back into it if you played years ago. Step 3 is actually internalizing Marcel's videos to the point where you become proficient at advanced techniques in the game. I'm on 2, starting to touch on 3, and it's a blast.
"A chairlift with only one station is so boring that it is impossible to derive any joy from riding it."
Guy at 17:05: "Soulsucking Chairlift 1 was great!"
Lmao you're right, they jump for joy. Maybe it's *because* it's so boring and depressing
when you are so depressed any sort of lift makes you feel great
They're not happy because of the ride, they're happy cause they're not on it anymore BlargNaut
@@Kafj302 Mood
I'm that guy IRL
The only Chairlift I rode had one Station (Sky Ride @ Waldameer)
I love how even the mini-golf has a nausea rating! Using real-life logic, that means that someone playing a mini-golf course without holes is less likely to throw up after playing it!
I always get nauseous while playing mini golf. You can't believe how happy I was to come across a mini golf park without any holes. First time I've ever been able to play the game without throwing up! :D
It makes sense. You'd be nauseated too if you've seen my putting some days!
Clearly not a dad and forgot about the alcohol required to get through mini golf
@@TheMaplestrip DO NOT GO THERE. My friend and his family exploded on the Corkscrew coaster during a visit to that park! So senseless!
I mean: more holes=more time to be able to throw up
It never ceases to blow my mind how a game that is 20+ years old has such limitless potential for content.
What blows my mind is the knowledge that Marcel has about this game... it’s like he has a PhD in RCT2 😂
It's insane to think about. Guess that explains why it's the one and only sim game I've ever gotten into, and have been into for atleast 20 years at this point
Apparently, you haven't played Age of Empires 2 lately.
@@bladactania AOE2 and RCT are different types of games...
@@bladactania AoE is a real-time strategy game, RCT is a management and construction sim
It's not a Marcel vid unless he trash talks the heartline coaster within 60 seconds xD
A more accurate name for it would be 'The Shartline Coaster'
“please stop bullying me”- the shartline coaster
@@foremanmvyers We bully you for your own good.
It's a shame, honestly. The real-life heartline twister is a decent ride (provided you ride one of the ones in Japan. The handful that made it to the US were inexplicably intolerably rough for some reason. Contractor issues, maybe?), but in RCT2 it's just crap.
There should be another video about Heartline Coaster Sucks!
A chairlift with only one station is just an elongated chairswing ride
Stat requirements for Marcel Vos videos:
At least 1 harassment to the heartline coaster
At least 1 guest drowned
Minimal video lenght
If it fails to fulfill any of these requirements, all of its stats get decided by two.
I don’t even play RCT2, but I watch your videos because your accent, voice, and the technical way you explain things are all very enjoyable to listen to.
I always make my golf courses without hole to suppress their natural high nausea rating.
I wish this was explained in-game or something. openRCT2 needs like an in-game display of minimum requirements...
Yeah imagine if you could expand the stats window of a ride so it takes up the entire screen and shows you ever little bit of data about the ride and what its statistics are
Oh. c'mon. Tap dancing in a minefield is FUN! :)
It could literally be to the right of the rating in yellow text. "Not enough drops (req 2)"
Calvin Mills
Or even having the requirement turn red or blue or something. Just like how lateral and vertical Gs turn red if they're too high, you could have max drop height turn blue if it's too low.
Or just a new window like the other ones with a checkbox for all requirements
The single station chairlift may have an excitement of 0, but guests still jumped for joy when they got off it...
Maybe they were jumping for joy *because* they got off something so utterly boring. "Hurray! I've finally got off of Mr Bones' Mild Ride!"
Mr. Bones Mild Ride was really good
I have a desire to remove myself from Mr. Bones' Mild Ride.
There should actually be one of these chairlifts at the entrance of every ski resort you have to complete before getting a pass. Would save a lot on line ups and embarrassment, tell them it’s to avoid law suits.
Having ridden go karts twice before this game's release...yeah...there's a good reason why you don't want to cover too much of the track of the go karts. It's a ride with a LOT of fumes if they are not allowed to air out and not a lot of people want to smell the fumes from the gasoline. Modern go karts might be different, but that was the state of go karts in the 90s
Indoor go kart facilities here have ventilation for that exact reason, kinda puzzled how any indoor racing facility wouldnt have that even if it was in the 90's. I went in early 2000's.
The last indoor go kart place I went to had electric karts, so that was cool.
indoor gas karts with vents for the win
I agree, but the game seems to treat having a roof far above the track equivalently to the track being in a narrow underground tunnel.
It’s not so much the roof as it is the walls (with a roof). It’d be cool if it’d let you cover a track for aesthetics and/or keep the rain off but as long as it’s open-air on the sides there’d be no stat penalties and would actually boost guest stats when it rains. “Go karts 1 was great during the rainstorm!”
So many nuances and detail went into this game. To think Chris Sawyer created and programmed it himself is mind boggling...he's a damn wizard.
I can't believe *you* coined the term for stat requirements, I'm so used to it being a standard term for the game that it didn't even occur to me it was unofficial, let alone thanks to you!
Im actually suprised that the minigolfs excitement isnt set to 0 with no holes like the chairlift with one station... Ngl id rather ride a chairlift with one station than a minigolf course with 0 holes
Just set up a few chains in your backyard, grab a putter, and walk in a circle. Sounds fun, right? 😁
@@belacickekl7579 ways to kill your boredomness
It's great to see that one of my favorite childhood games still has a large and great community following even almost 20 years later. Amazing videos Marcel
LMAO “please stop bullying me”
Great video man! They keep getting better and better honestly
Whichever is your next video that has no natural tie-in to criticize the heartline coaster, you should say after the outro something like "oh, and the heartline coaster sucks."
"You're about as interesting as a chair lift with one station."
The one diss to rule them all.
17:05 why are they celebrating a 0 excitement ride
They are happy to get out ;-)
Do not blame the actions of those released from apathy
Intensity might have something to do with it.
just because it doesnt look fun to you doesnt mean someone else wont like it
@5:10 I've put a team of renowned scientists on this and after long investigation we can conclude; 7 indeed is less then 9 in most circumstances
But what about for sufficiently large values of seven and sufficiently small values of nine? 🤔
I feel this is a potential for OpenRCT2 to improve. It'd be breaking from norms of Vanilla/Classic but maybe when you run a coaster, they could add a little bit of "Construction Tips" or something, with more general advice like "more drops would increase excitement" or "the coaster is very short" - general advice that hints to the existence of these stat penalty triggers without turning it into a min-max thing where you feel like every coaster _must_ satisfy them all.
You are going to hell, when you get there, you’ll not be able to skip the tutorial.
Sounds like a good idea for an add on 🤔
Hey, Marcel Vos is back! Superb analyses and explanation as always!
These 'stat requirements' were things that bugged me not when I was a total beginner, but when I became sort-of intermediate-level player. Back then, I wondered why my go karts had such low stats despite my improvement on underground building skills (because the ride had too much underground sections), or my compactly-built reverser coaster resulted in very low excitement ratings (because it had no reverser track pieces).
i remember years ago when i played a lot, i made a custom coaster that went around the whole park. i put everything into it, starting with the tallest possible incline, corkscrews, loops, etc. end result was it was absolutely TOO intense and nobody wanted to ride it
Because when ppl die riding a coaster it tends to drop in popularity, let alone all riders dead...
The outro music loops in my head on a daily basis dividing my excitement level by a factor of 3.14
I can't begin to express my disappointment when I was growing up, making seemingly normal coasters which would be fun to ride, only to have them deemed too boring or too intense by my guests.
Cus the ride is gheeeeeeeyyyyyy
(1999 park guests)
you forgot that other requirement for mini golf, that it may cause you to explode if unfinished
what
@@Green24152 Wouldn’t you explode if you found out that the course you’re on is unfinished?
@@Green24152 In RCT2 ride cars crash and explode if they come off the track. Guests on a mini golf have no visible cars, but they still count as being in ride "cars" from an engine point of view and will still explode if they come off the track.
In normal game play cars coming off the track is something that should only be able to happen on rides that either have an explicit mechanic of cars coming off (e.g. the bobsled) or on coaster types with powered launch, reverse incline launch or similar modes which can be opened/tested without a complete track. On most tracked rides the ride can only be opened/tested when it has a complete circuit, guests can remain on a ride after it's closed but opening the ride for editing will reset the ride, deleting the cars and teleporting the guests to the ride exit.
However openrct2 has the "tile inspector" in the cheats menu which allows a ride to be modified while bypassing the normal safegaurds. So it is possible to break the track on any ride while it is operating and hence produce exploding golfers.
@@petermichaelgreen ive heckin watched his vid on this i know
@@Green24152 then why did you ask "what"?
Heartline Twister: "Please stop bullying me"
Everyone else: "Why are you the way that you are"
It's funny cause IRL they are actually cool funky coasters. That one with the dive loop especially is praised all the time
The amount of times I've made a beautiful masterpiece and its like excitement 2, intensity 18, nausea 19.
BS, you can go straight down from max into an unbanked small turn and not have those stats, you also would have small nausea, I guess riders die before inversions?
@@rmac3217 it was a joke using a technique known as satirical exaggeration
"please stop bullying me"
lmao no
16:39 I can confirm, anytime I've been at a minigolf course in real life, and it had no holes, I instantaneously felt less nauseated.
Minigolf can quickly become too intense for me with everything going on, so I tend to seek out the holeless mingolf courses.
;-;
We have that at Mr Bones’ Wild Park, step right this way but first, try this new launch coaster ehehe
(rubs hands together menacingly)
All coaster types are unique and equally valuable in the eyes of Marcel Vos...except the Heartline coaster.
And the mini suspended coaster.
NEW CHALLENGE: complete a scenario wherein the only roller coasters you can build are the heartline and mini suspended coasters!
@@jefffinkbonner9551 That's actually not particularly difficult as they're still coasters and thus still good rides.
The stats of your rides are far less important in scenario play than my videos may make you think, especially when it's pay-for-entry in with a goal that doesn't involve park value.
@@MarcelVos the mini suspended coaster is not that bad. You just have the wrong mindset when you try to build one
I imagine the nullifying of the stat requirements for inversion coasters was done to also prevent short launched or boomerang coasters like the Shuttle Loop from getting a penalty.
Still pretty amusing to see that loophole exploited with the Tiny Corkscrew, though.
Your deadpan style of humor kills me :D I love it when I'm watching your videos learning more about the game and suddenly you throw a joke in your calm tone and it just cracks me up.
Oh God the most boring chairlift ever at 17:00 got me way harder than I care to admit. :D
Praise Raptoria!
♥
Glory to Raptor!
Hello there, our RTS playing overlord.
Ah yes, I can confirm that you get really nauseous if you just walk around on a minigolf track, but if I there is a minigolf hole it is only half as nauseous.
16:34 You've got that backwards, fam. A minigolf course _without_ holes is half as nausea-inducing as one that actually does have holes.
@@E-102_Gamma do the guests puke from just traveling the park normally then?
@@jackradzelovage6961 Nope, because there's no holes (;
What you do is have a mini golf as the only entry and a few bathrooms, exit is into the park, big entry fee and now you don’t have to worry about the annoying customers!
This is probably the most useful explanation I've come across. I've had so many ride designs with underwhelming stats, with a couple of simple tweaks they come good.
Thankyou so much!
That chairlift thing shows just how wacky this game is once one looks past the merry-go-rounds and hamburger stalls
Rollercoaster Tycoon Wakcy World’s expansion! I still have it in it’s big ass box actually, definitely a collector item as rct1 expansions were bundled even before rct2 bundled up rct1 expansions.
It's crazy to think how such an old game was incredibly complex without telling you literally any of this. Makes me wonder what the devs were thinking.
Dev* one dude made this in Assembly lol
The nerd thought, “I’ve done it, my game is in my fav cereal box, now i’ll sell the rights to Atari and keep on nerding, what legacy?”
Wait. Helixes aren't drops? The heck‽
Interrobang sighting‽‽
A chairlift having some nausea rating definitely makes sense if you have a fear of heights. I remember as a kid when I rode a theme park chairlift in real life, I wasn't bored, just scared out of my wits and wanted to get off. Especially when it was going over the pond.
One of my least favorite things about this game is that these requirements are hidden. Kid me never would have even imagined something like this was going on behind the scenes.
Cus you were dumb... Can build anything you want anyway, just start with thrill rides and charge the right amount, $20 for umbrellas, you’ve hacked the game.
Since 2002 I play this game, actually on my smartphone. Thanks for yourour videos.
I came across this channel recently and as a result am playing OpenRCT 2 again, alongside Classic on a tablet. Rolling back the years!!! Thanks.
That chairlift could still be exciting, like a Whip ride. Unrealistic game, 0/10
Turn up the speed to 100km/h!
Great vid. I like the addition of the bg music as well now!
Niet dat ik verwacht iets nieuws te leren in deze video, ik gun je een extra view met 100% kijktijd. Groeten vanaf de Korreweg 👍🏻
Incidentally this is why the micro corkscrew doesn't work very well for the Stand-Up Coaster ;)
Those swapped path types at 6:21 are just cursed!
Absolutely fantastic and oddly entertaining video. Well done Marcel!
You should make a video about the best and worst prebuilt coasters.
"According to the game, a chairlift with only 1 station is so boring that it is IMPOSSIBLE to derive any joy from riding it"
I don't know why that was so funny to me but man I had a good laugh! Makes me wonder if there was a specific reason or incident that inspired that bit of code.....
So I just recently started playing RCT2 -- I've played the ever living heck out of RCT: Deluxe as that was what I grew up with. Have to say, although the two games look so similar on the surface, RCT2 really does add some neat improvements I wasn't even aware I wanted. Both games are amazing but with the added features of RCT2 and the fact that open RCT2 is built to mod RCT2, that second one does seem to be a no brainer.
Anyway, working through RCT2's scenarios now and this channel is going to be extremely handy.
OpenRCT2 developers, PLEASE embed stat requirements into the game's interface!
I think part of the challenge of the game is to design good rides without being spoon-fed the instructions.
@@Trancefreak12 Good for you. You can just leave the feature disabled if it gets implemented.
@@BerserkFervor Yeah I've no problem with including an option in the cheats menu.
@@Trancefreak12 but you can design good rides without adhering to these arbitrary, unintuitive, and limiting rules. The game just penalizes you for it.
@@Crazy_Diamond_75 The vast majority of them are perfectly intuitive if you've actually ridden any rollercoasters.
I love this game and I love that you’re so wise about this game and chose to share it with us.
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I didn’t expect to learn so much from this, like for the observation tower and the caveats for the go karts.
This game is amazing. Back then it was a pioneer and today devs can't even make a worthy copy.
This guy's knowledge of RTC2 is down right impressive. Way more than a beginner like me can take in, but I appreciate this depth, and may be back when I'm ready for it.
I haven't played RCT2 in probably a decade, but I love your videos regardless. Someday, when I get out of the MMO hole and my backlog, I'll definitely grab OpenRCT and play thanks to you.
Dude I can watch your videos over and over again
More than i ever needed to know about how much of my monorail i can have under cover. Not sure if it makes more sense now or less.
There's a lot of information from previous videos, but like all other videos I learn something new and interesting.
Never been this early!! I love your videos Marcel! One of my favorite games to this day. 🎢
I think the Mine Train Coaster has a requirement that it must have at least one underground section and one above ground section. Otherwise it gets a small penalty. It’s hard to prove though since underground segments always grant extra excitement.
The mine train is the worst coaster but I still build it over and over, don’t get why Sawyer didn’t program all pieces into the rides, it’s not like he was big on controlling the game.
brilliant video, very well done Marcel !
really appreciate this vid! had a coaster just today that should have had quite good stats that stunk and immediately knew to check the requirements - it was about 10m shy of the minimum lol
16:31 "The mini-golf needs to have at least one hole"
these are also my requirements
Need more vids marcel. This is the best drug. I don't even play rct anymore but wow
"it's impossible to derive any joy from riding it"
Yeah sounds like my ex
I recently built the smallest figure 8 Go-Kart track you make, and still cross over your own track, with a bit of a fenced garden look to the scenery. I left it open, because I knew you didn't want to cover your go-karts from watching this video before, but it still got halved excitement. I spent a good hour or two in "RCT Classic" trying to figure out what was going on. Turns out that the small flat steel grid structure-piece I put UNDER the two hills that are in that design, counted as the Karts being "more than 50% covered" after ten laps, and that's why I got the tanked excitement. Removed those 4 pieces (again, from UNDERNEATH the track), and the whole ride went back to normal. It was a weird one.
PS: This is a partial copy/paste from my comment in your video covering go karts specifically, because it's an important bit of information to know for people in that video as well.
Park Bench 1 looks too intense for me!
"I want to get off 'Mr Bones Wild Park Bench'..."
Those go kart shenanigans are hilarious.
I'm super early, and excited to be so! Thank you for your awesome vids!
Hello Marcel Vos and welcome to another viewer.
Hi Marcel, I was wondering if you could do a video on the Multi-Dimensional coast type. Every time I look at into building one it just doesn't seem very straight forward so I never build it.
Thank goodness I now have a way to reduce the high nausea levels on my mini golf rides!
the vertical drop coaster at 1:20 I think gets its stats halved because it just barely doesn't hit the drop height requirement.
That's correct! It has a fairly high drop height requirement of 15 meters, which makes it great for making a coaster that looks like it should hit all requirements.
That....explains a lot. Now to break out my copy and apply this new knowledge xD
13:30 Indoor carting:
Am I a joke to you?
These videos have made me addicted to my childhood again, thank you lol.
Great Job in explaining the mechanics of this great game
Quick question but context first: I once built a park on RCT1 designed to imprison people...free park entry, 1 ride with free admission...that's dumps you in the other half of the park where there are only bathrooms and other kiosks charging max or near max for everything...
Is there anyway I can filter out guests as soon as they run out of money but not before? And is there any way I can entice more people to actually take the small ride? Often times people would about face and walk out of the park so I had to make like...3 rides to dump people into the extraction zone
I literally this morning watched the transport video and now this one has the single station chairlift with no track in it that I saw talked about in the comments. I don't remember seeing it in any other videos but maybe I missed it. It made me laugh so hard
A comment will be left by me to increase TH-cam's metric of engagement. You deserve it for such in-depth content, Marcel.
Great Video!! got a question /... i notice my guests wont ride coasters "when it's raining" ... are there any rides they DO want to ride while it rains? thx ... also enjoyed your ride reviews videos keep those coming!!
Thanks Marcel for this nice explanation^^
You are a smart man, Marcel. RCT was my first ever favorite PC game 22 years ago
This is something I was wondering about, since the game keeps it secret and it's useful to know
What's the most spammable coaster if the inversions-nullify-stat-requirements were turned off..? Not sure if that was covered in the tiny corkscrew video.. or which video that was! linky please..?
(edit: it's the junior coaster oval right?)
this video was amazing, props, very elaborate
In RCT2 (vanilla no mods) I've built multiple go-kart tracks with over 75% underground, and didn't seem to run into any stat penalties...
Edit: Well now I had to go look to be sure, and the racetracks of mine in question do actually pop out of the sides of hills and mountains enough that they might actually be only 75% covered. I thought it made the tracks more interesting... turns out I was more right than I suspected!
I wish ORCT2 would add requirements in game so you don't have to sit there alt tabbing constantly.
Yeah, that would be nice, like a little button to toggle it and maybe even a button in the ride "menu" to see what you will have to do any what you did just mess up.
@@lesphirou imo both of these features would take away the ride building and park management challenges of the game, which I think you're meant to figure out on your own. Although I do wish that there was a supply/demand aspect to ride pricing instead of a hard cutoff.
@@lesphirou I've considered writing a plugin to automatically set ride prices to the optimal value. I haven't looked at the API since it came out though, so I'm not sure if this is supported.
That plugin already exists and I use it almost every live stream as the point isn't the be good at the game but rather to make enough money to build fun things.
It'd be nice to watch Marcel do building videos just to see all of this in practice
Do you have a video about the coaster at 6:10 and the synchronisation of the trains on it?
Hi! I have recently found this channel, do you have a small essay on rct1? Is it the same? I'm not sure why my coaster is too intense people won't enter
This man could write his PhD on RCT
Early on in playing around with RCT, I couldn't figure out how to build rollercoasters properly as they always ended up boring, yet extremely intense and nauseating. I worked it out, but its interesting to see that some of that could have been fixed by punking the game and reducing the stats by a tiny primary run preluding the secondary, but actual, run.