Those people aren't the FF14 community, they are Twitter posters. Those people live on there it's their lifestyle to them being terminally online, the absolute brain rot they have from always looking for problems to get mad over.
I no longer see social media as worth it. People being able to talk to family on the other side of the planet. People being able to support each other no matter the distance. People being able to aid each other during the lockdowns. There was so much potential and instead we have made social media a pit of hate, false allegations and abuse, and somehow worse things too. Fuck it.
Buddy, you sure are late on this take. Humans literally can't along in real life, what makes you think hiding behind the anonymity of a screen will change that?
@@ember-evergarden Because modern social media tends to have the innate effect where producing outrage drives the most traffic, and incentivizing it in some cases generates the most revenue, with disregard to facts and other boundaries well-adjusted people set between each other irl. If you found it hard to understand why OP said they no longer found social media as worth it, you're being an "um acktually" 👆🏼🤓 while not even saying anything remotely smart. No shit humans fight with each other you clown, but with the way twitter is set up, it makes that environment worse for real discourse. You also answered your own question; anonymity plays a huge part in feigning responsibility of one's actions online. But idk why I'm explaining this to someone too dumb to figure this out themselves, assuming you're already familiar with creatures like Lionel or places like 4chan.
@IzzyPR2010 Nah it was always shit. It used to be a Tumblr refugee camp and with Elon musk they just added 4channers to the mix, so people are fighting constantly over dumb things no one cares about for engagement and money.
Same.i deleted it last year and I'm not going back. It's beyond toxic. People are nasty just to be nasty. I don't really get the mentality of being continually hateful, other than they must have miserable lives.
Love ya Xeno but Spudz is correct. After almost 10 years I've just come forward and reported my own experience to the police. But I have very little, almost 0 evidence. I delayed reporting out of pure fear, thinking I'd never be believed, and also from the sheer impact of the trauma and having to relive it all over again. I agree we need evidence I'm not arguing on your points for a minute because I actually agree with you. But I just want to say that there are more victims out there with 0 evidence than you'd think. Especially when it comes to grape or SA. Grape and SA crimes are not always violent either. These are things that happen in a most intimate setting where there are no witnesses. It's incredibly hard. For me as a victim having everyone say "we don't believe you" is incredibly hard, and a reason I delayed reporting to the police. In fact whilst I was in a relationship with my abuser, when I tried to reach out and tell people what I was going through, people sided with him and acted like I was a crazy woman. It was heartbreaking and traumatising that some people can just dismiss it without even taking the time to see. If you know the person intimately, if it's your friend or family member or they've been in your life for a while, maybe they don't have evidence but you can have a deep conversation about it, see what their body language is, can they give you details, how do they act and react? You can sense a liar a mile off in a conversation like that because nothing adds up. People who invent abuse make me absolutely sick, and they absolutely do. Often the perpetrators of abuse do this To discredit the actual victim. It's disgusting so I understand the entire argument of needing evidence. An outsider, a stranger could never know who's honest and who's not :(
I hope things can get better for you. As someone who also suffered an assault that had to go unreported due to lack of evidence, I still have to agree with Xeno's take simply because of the state of the internet at large. People making shit up for sympathy or clout have ruined things for people like us, but I can understand why it's there. We are not the problem; we suffer because of the actual problem.
@@Second_UNIT That's why even when he's handed proof, he dismisses it out of hand, right? People making shit up haven't ruined anything; even when you bring proof it doesn't matter to them.
@Second_UNIT thank you for your lovely words ❤️ I completely understand your point and agree, it's a real shame it has to be like this :( I hope everything is OK with you too. I'm sorry to hear you've experienced this as well
*"having everyone say "we don't believe you" is incredibly hard"* Yeah people dont understand that not being believed as a victim is traumatizing to the point where reporting it can actually make the healing process worse, its almost impossible to get hard evidence of SA which a lot of people dont seem to understand. I get the need for evidence but in most cases its not worth reporting it because of people like Xeno.
As a former raid lead in WoW, and an assault survivor... a LOT of people try to lie about people they don't like. One great example is when I was in a private call with a shot caller in my group. I was messaged and told he had been harassing a girl in the group. I asked them to take a screenshot of the convo, and it all looked pretty legit. I asked the guy to show me their dms on a discord stream... nothing. Not even her messages that were in the fake messages. Later I found out the girl was rejected by him and wanted to take his spot from him. She had made an alt to have a conversation with herself. You truly can't trust people at their word anymore. This isn't to say you shouldn't support the person making the claims... Just that you shouldn't ruin someone's life with no evidence. Hope this dies down soon tbh
The last time I was doing duty roulettes, I did something wrong as a tank and a couple of people completely lost it in the chat. "I'm so glad I never have to see you in high level content!" Some in this community are genuinely great, others like this one is the reason I've been exclusively crafting and gathering the last few weeks.
Some people be saying that the constant drama is due from “content drought”, but let’s be honest folks. This has been almost non-stop since like Endwalker lmao.
To be fair, ffxiv general community is great, it's twitter with the issues, and of course top end clique drama or youtuber/well known personality turning out to be a shithead occasionally, the usual popular people drama you find everywhere, but you play the game and it really is a great community
it seems like there is a lot of this going around but the internet gives everyone a megaphone. if you really keep up with how much shitty people are around, its a far far far far smaller number of people then it seems.
why is it FFXIV's fault that people on twitter are weird? Are you gonna blame GTA for school shooters because they so happen to play GTA? Let me guess, videogames are the cause of violence?
Once again the internet proves to me that these people in the ff14 community are hazards to society. The fact that they don’t understand the concept of “evidence” just highlights why it’s so important in a court of law
”The IQ of a mob is the IQ of the most stupid member divided by the number of mobsters.” -Terry Pratchett I used to be surprised how this quote sometimes made sense. Now adays? Not so much.
The “believe all women” thing was such a haphazard phrase and poisoned so many people without critical thinking skills. The reason that phrase exists isn’t because women are always right and telling the truth, it’s because they’re victimized more often than men. The phrase people should have used is “take all potential victims seriously.” But that doesn’t fit in a hashtag nicely.
It's not because it didn't fit the hashtag or didn't sound as catchy. It's because the goal WAS to have people believe all women without question, so they could do exactly what they did to Johnny Depp or Pro Jared. That was the literal goal, they just wanted the power to do that. And, of course, now it has backfired and the pendulum has swung the other way. Now people don't just question a woman who makes accusations without proof, they are actively less prone to take any accusations seriously because of all the fake accusation scandals. And you know what, good! That's what you get for actively misusing the power you've been given.
I've always been under the mindset of that I'll believe victims but I'd still like proof. I want to give people the benefit of the doubt and trust them but the truth of the matter is that people lie, not everyone can be trusted and evidence is needed. I'm a woman myself and I raid, I believe that a lot of my fellow women have suffered a lot of abuse and ignoring over things they can't control but there are vindictive people, there are people who just hate others and want them to suffer retribution for things in the past. What we should do is trust victims but not 100% unless they can provide evidence, some insane people do have platforms they use to manipulate the truth, especially during situations like these where public opinion can easily be swayed.
imho in these types of situations stuff like arthars' comments about how "it takes two hands to clap" is not very productive because once again it puts the blame of being manipulated and led on by another person on the victim, not the perpetrator. I also don't know why two big content creators are hijacking the whole conversation, reducing it to "drama" and with that direct even more weirdos to also harass the people who are coming forward WITH evidence of mistreatment. Like this is not benefiting anyone except the people making bank on clickbait "drama" videos.
I know the forums were bad, but Twitter almost has no cork to it. I hope everyone uses this website less and less over time. Its not healthy for anyone.
I feel like the person who made the "lusting after trans women" comment was mad because you called out Sena Bryer's bad take about the song Smile and her unprofessional conduct. :T Amazing the mental gymnastics people do to try and come out as the 'right' person in a situation.
as a trans person it's so frustrating when other trans people do this. being trans doesn't automatically put them on a pedestal of goodness and correctness. it shouldn't be career ending to disagree with a trans person's take and making it out to be a sexual issue on xenos's part is just fucking weird and extremely revealing on their part.
This is such a stupid hill to die on for twitter. If they knew anything about Xeno. They'd know he would be the most vocal advocate for this when evidence actually comes out. Which is more likely and common than people like to pretend. Especially if this happened over a long period of time. Xeno is the guy you want in your corner cause he will go the extra mile for you. Xeno doesn't play the accusation/allegation game and that's all they care about so he is now enemy number 1 I 100% knew this was going to get out of control after I saw the sfia drama. A lot of these people are from the biggest and most toxic FF14 discords. That's actually how the Sfia dogpill happened so quickly. They love this crap. They fester for so long inside their echo chambers that every time they poke their head out. They are even more extreme than the last time. No one takes all their crap seriously normally cause they sound insane so they need stuff like this that people can't ignore.
just a general rule of thumb, people on Twitter are fucking idiots. so often I just scroll through it (while working, can't be arsed to do that in my actual free time) and I see hot takes that i'm like "are you ok? we need to call someone for you?"
The part that shocks me is the fact they think this is no drama. Some people tried to tell this story to the Japanese community and they were pretty weird out about why they should care about couples problems.
i stopped playing the game cuz im just sick of the drama chasers everywhere in this community crazy how people think they have the right to call anyone out without proof
This is just so weird...i joined the FFXIV community very recently (6.2) and istg it felt like paradise, the perfect gaming community but as soon as you go a lil deeper it reveals this huge shithole of drama.
@@QuillTail well the problem is that i get wind of all this shit without actively searching for it. Doesn't ruin the game or the community but definitly sours it.
I think people just get hung up on the need hard evidence stance and then running with preconceived notions. It just sucks that being a women means unless I fight back violently and risk serious body injury or death, you just gotta let it happen and then pretend it never did.
This happens a lot to Twitter artists. There are organized groups for this. Discord servers they've made where numerous people gather evidence to try and report/out people they don't like. It's so fucking weird.
I'm a woman and was attacked over this whole shitstorm because I outwardly stated that what is happening isn't about misogyny or sexism, it's about /people/ being terrible to one another and as a society we need to work together, men and women, to make it a better place for everyone. The attacker obviously focused on the fact that I said it wasn't about misogyny or sexism. Completely disregarding the fact that I stated we treat /people/ terribly, equally, and equally, we need to change our attitudes and behaviors for a better world. But ya'know, fuck me for not joining the blanket hating on men bandwagon as a woman. Someone else literally said I was a "bad person". For wanting equality. Like, what? *insert jackie-chan wtf meme*
you didnt deserve to be attacked over it but it's a bit disingenuous to say it isnt about misogyny or sexism when all the potential victims coming out are women, with most talking about how remarks were made towards them specifically about being a woman. I agree that we should work together to make it a better place for everyone for the bigger picture, but people should be allowed to defend against being discriminated without being lumped into that whole category of "lets treat everyone equally" without addressing them first since it's a bit dismissive, which is likely the reason you were called a bad person.
This is a no win situation with people like this on social media, they are more concerned with pushing a specific narrative over caring about the well being of others. They are a hivemind and if you don't agree with them they will just attack your character by calling you a pick me or some other demeaning insult to try to take away from what you are trying to say. It's just better off to block and/or avoid these kinds of people alltogether.
"Believe all women" unless you go against their hivemind. Then you're just as bad as men to them. I'm a woman as well and I cannot vocally express how I feel about any of these topics because I get called every name under the sun as well. I agree, it's always about /people/ being shitty to other people. I know guys who have left the raiding scene because they were being "too nice" to others or "being a push over." Like yes, women get shit on for reasons, but so do men. It's literally just people being shitty to each other. And also as a woman, I've never felt alienated or preyed upon in group settings in games. I just choose not to join them because drama ensues no matter either gender you are.
@@anthony26812 the issue is, that men historically have been mocked for coming out as being "harassed" or "SA'd" Look at the Johnny vs Amber trial, before it was known what Amber actually did, everyone was mocking Johnny Depp for not being a man, so most men who are abused just bottle it up quietly and let it go. "when all the potential victims coming out are women" that's just the issue, society has basically made it so that women SHOULD be believed straight away, no proof or anything, meanwhile men who openly come out with this shit gets mocked instantly for not "being a man" But also, if it's just "remarks" against women, it's against both sides, men say stupid shit and women say stupid shit, just that women are more easily outspoken about it, doubly so if they have a following compared to men, who might tell a good friend here and there.
I stopped caring about the labels, they serve no purpose any more and seem meaningless. If a situation is shitty and/or illegal, then it is shitty and/or illegal. It doesn't matter what the accuser or the accused self identifies as or whether the situation is considered misogynistic or sexist or racist or whatever. Regardless of all of that, the standard of the burden of proof must be the same and it does fall on the accuser to meet that (as much as that might suck and can be difficult). The best thing someone can do in this case is to protect themselves as soon as possible; get a restraining order, sever any ties to them, find somewhere else to stay. Of course, all of that is considered dismissive or not taking things seriously, because it isn't unquestionably taking the side of the accuser. It's pretty fucked up that we are still at that point after all these years of "just believe us". Unfortunately, the few abusers of that trust, who were lying or inflating shit, have ruined that for all so it's back to requiring proof.
It's so funny seeing people go back and forth between "Hey you should use your platform to talk about this!!" To "Omg he's milking the drama for content!!" Do you want him to speak or not? Lol
He specifically said he has dirt on a bunch of people but isn't going to speak on it. Instead he's making drama reactions and making shitty arguments on twitter, while gloating about how many views it's going to get on his discord.
Dude, if this saying actually worked or if anyone was ever protected from it the world would be a better place. The reality is so far in the opposite direction that it's impossible to even take seriously at this point.
@@Grimnoire totally agree its sad cause thats how its supposed to be. In law yes it still remains for the most part but not always. Wording of the law is innocent until proven guilty still remains but is often thrown aside
@@TeddyBearsGames Are people actually unaware of how unlikely it is for men to actually be convicted of sexual assault, even _with_ proof? Because it's horribly naive.
Logic is like kryptonite to these kinds of people and as soon as they resort to strawman arguments, or just make blind accusations without a shred of proof they can't be taken seriously. They can stay mad and hopefully, they're dumb enough to take it one step too far one day and get taken to court.
Been lurking in the twitter stuff gonna be honest. everyone in the xiv community is weird. people are mentally damaged and act like their above others. they get mad if they can't have it "there way" that person who exposing your mod is still yappin away and the other person that called out arthars is still yappin. i get there their coming from but it's just annyoing seeing it. give it a couple weeks everyone goes back to normal and stops talking. but if people tell me that i can't be friends with someone because of actions they did then i won't listen nor be sucked into their bs drama i rather just listen and dip out.
I am with Xeno, I cannot believe people without proof. I can be sympathetic but I'm not going to call for someone'sv livelihood to be damaged over accusations without proof.
Thats kind of what people mean when they say believe victims though? Some people take it too far, but its important to treat victims with sincerity and respect when they come out. That's what they want
@@verdantmischief7092 I can agree that victims have every right to be heard and should be supported, that is entirely separate than holding people accountable. I fully agree with the US courts idea that you are innocent until proven guilty, but it doesn't take much for people to listen to victims. Understanding that we should listen, but not take unjust action is something many struggle with.
For me, it was because I started getting recommended political crap once Elon took over and the amount of bots following me got annoying. Haven't used Twitter since then
Dude, you went for the low hanging fruits. You should have responded to those screenshots where you said you don't care about any of this except to make content out of it. Are those real? Are those enough evidence for you? C'mon dude.
Replying to update that Xenosys is absolutely limp for his lack of response to the current evidence. You talk passionately about needing evidence but you've addressed none of them. If they are fake, how are they fake? Address them. Like, bro, this sort of situation is what your whole channel thrives on, and you ignore it? And what about that journalist who wanted to do an interview with you? Bro. GIve us content. I don't even care if you think you're right or wrong. You love content is all that matters, and so do we. C'mon man.
So glad I don't go on Twitter. I have watched Arthars and his wife on stream together and she likes messing with him - it's pretty funny. I don't think you have to hang out with them IRL to see the dynamic, but maybe that is because I'm married.
GCBTW. The ironic part about telling you guys to "shut up" is that those same people would be mad that other men aren't calling each other out. You can't win on Twitter. Doesn't matter what you say/do.
I did a lot of eureka trains on instances the Mr.happy was in and a few times on his party never did i see him complain in party chat, say or shout about taking lead most of the time we went from fate to fate no chat involved till the big fate timers open then some one would say kill x to span x and coord never did i see this person being Mr.happy, this baseless tweets are wild
I have never really seen much of your content just saw it sometimes popping up. I always thought u were a pretty decent nice guy from what i saw, And after seeing all the stuff on twitter i still gave you some benefit of the doubt. Maybe you used your words wrong or something like that however seeing the most recent clips (which came directly from your streams) any of those doubts are completely gone. Idk laughing at victims seem pretty vile to me and defending those abusers as well doesnt seem right to me. And there is so much proof of them being terrible people like the amount of screenshots i see flying by. I am a guy and even i feel genuinely uncomfortable by them. I will probably never understand why you would rather defend these abusers instead of being against this sort of behavior and support the victims instead. even if you dont agree with the victims i think its really strange to cheer for the abusers in general.
Looking up some of these, just to read through their documents, and somehow being pre-blocked by every single one is weirdly funny to me. The fact that telling twitter "people" that you need evidence, before you ruin someones life, sends them into a flying rage is honestly horrifying, mental illness echo chambers.
Here's a tip for the people on Twitter: If you want to get rid of content creators then DON'T harass them, because all they will do is take your actions and use it to generate yet more content. Content creators exist by the grace of their subscribers and viewers. So if you really want to get rid of these guys then the answer is simple - Don't subscribe to them, don't watch them and don't interact with them.
This is why I mainly just play with ppl I know irl in ff14, I tried to make friends with ppl I met in game but it just gets weird 80% of the time, so I just interact with them on a surface level if they talk to me
17:10 its actually getting to be a huge issue that people lack basic reading comprehension skills these days. No one can focus enough to read a single post and retain all of the context from one sentence to another. Each new sentence is a new entity completely divorced from all previous text. That or their personal biases are so strong or they are so whipped up by the constant flow of negativity from Twitter that they are incapable of actually understanding the text in front of them.
This is why I have never had a twitter account and refuse to go on it... Twitter is a giant echo chamber cesspool of dumb ass people who mean nothing to me
This feels like deja vu to me as a Destiny 2 refugee. I kid you not, the Twitter community on Destiny 2 fucking hates the content creators (which I'll admit, a few like GernaderJake are assholes). Crazy to see it happen to the FFXIV content creators now, which are far more chill than the Destiny 2 content creators (excluding people like Byf and Aztecross. Datto I dislike because he comes off as an armchair game dev)
People on twitter be a whole level of soft and stupid that I keep forgetting exists. How we go from someone cheating on someone to talks of sexual assault is beyond my comprehension.
14:37 funnily enough that Kris person threatened to send a bunch of people to my DM’s for saying a VA (Sena Bryer) didn’t do the best job she could have and that she was kind of an idiot on social media, they are a Billy Bullshitter cause I got no one in my DM’s after they claimed I would do. I’m pretty sure they are just engagement farming if anything.
@@rustyjones7908I played in Japanese dub so I wouldn't know. My problems with the VA stems from her posts on Twitter but I don't hate her. If she gives me a reason to, that'll be a different story but I'm just neutral with the VA and hope Wuk Lamat becomes more likeable
@@rustyjones7908going through the level 96 quests myself, I really like what I've seen of the character so far, I honestly prefer the unvoiced cutscenes this time around though
The people saying you're transphobe are the same people who say you're mysogynistic or transphobic because you dont like some of the female protags or say they dont like Wuk Lamat (Whether its her character, or voice, or line delivery)
Is there ANY positive Twitter community, like at all? Sites a damn cesspool. Also calling someone out for being "mean" in Eureka is wild. Did that hurt him that bad!? It was 7 years ago!
I feel like people on twitter just do it for the fun of it. Like they get some kind of satisfaction being "knights in armor", or "crusaders". Crusaders weren't good people, not even close.
wdym "why wouldn't she just call the police" yk this take is dumb don't you, the abused people most of the times can provide 0 evidence or even call the police because of the fear instead of immediately getting defensive about it and taking side try getting deeper into the situation if you really want to post your takes on that, after all you're a big xiv streamer with responsibilities
I think people heard the "parasocial" discussion too soon from Asmondgold. I think we need to go back to that for one moment from at least one CC in every gaming community. Cause from what I watched so far, at least three different community vastly different from one another, except they like anime in some way, all have a community that cares too much about what their favorite CC is doing with their signigificant others. Weither it be them fuckin' or fighting, the community gotta know. 🙃
Reminds me of the whole "believe all women" thing. And since this is the FF14 community.... yeeeeah. Super wild they are going after Happy thoe. Bro is critical about hunt train, gets branded a threat to the hive mind, lol.
@@XyrenosMight have to do with how it works now. In ShB, people would wait for players before pulling the boss whereas now (at least on my DC), people rush the train and it often results in people missing on the rewards since the game can't load in everything at once. It's definitely more frustrating now because I'd love to get the mounts but people rushing the boss makes it difficult
100% approval of his criticism from me then. The peak hour bullettrains are horrible if 200+ people rush around and you get stuck at the aetherite to change instances for too long you always miss the first mark. At least some trains let everyone change instance before announcing next target but I guess having 36 marks per train somehow makes people feel the need to rush it.
i have no problems with mr happy's statement. my issue comes in the form of people making this out to be "drama" when the original discussion that was happening on twitter was women within the ff14/raiding WF community discussing how unsafe it is for women WITHIN these communities, with sfia being only one part of the problem. the reason arthas was attacked was because he harrassed a woman live on stream after they apologized for being bad within the group. arthas then proceeded to victim blame on twitter about the whole thing and attempt to justify why he "Had" to harrass her on stream. he took no accountability for his own actions and how his actions affected a woman within the community, thus being part of the problem regarding women feeling unsafe. sfia is only one part of the problem when it comes to the wider conversation around the rampant misogyny going on in the community. and, often times, other men go out of their way to defend the men within their circle or be completely silent and not speak up - this further contributing to the unsafe atmosphere when it comes to women within the RWF space in ff14. i will not speak on your (xeno's) involvement because i do not know enough to comment, but i will comment on the butchering of what is happening and the reduction of it into a mere drama when the discussion was about something far, FAR more systemic within the gaming space. misogyny is rampant and more men need to speak up and speak out. because, unfortunately, more people listen to men than they do women. which is, also, unfortunately, a form of misogyny. people are so terrified of "Losing" their place within a circle that they do not realize these people/circles are very much not ones they benefit from existing within in the first place. everything that happened with sfia happened a day or so into the entire conversation/discussion that was being had by women within the online space when it comes to raiding. that being said: when it comes to accusations of assault and the like, i want people to ask a simple question to them. why do you care more about defending men and their "livelihoods" over defending women who have either had their livelihoods destroyed, or will have their livelihoods destroyed as a result of coming forward about the abuse they have to endure? unfortunately, in this case, the "proof" or "evidence" regarding what has happened to them IS their testimony. it is much easier for men or falsely accused people to defend themselves. and, yes, whilst false accusations DO happen, they're so few and far between compared to the ones that are truthful that i feel as though people use faking claims of abuse as an excuse to harrass or victim blame these women and invalidate their experiences. i do not believe in "believe all accusations" however i do believe in giving credence and support to them. most false claims DO in fact do so in order to gain something, but they usually already have the power and privilege to obtain that power or maintain it to begin with. most actual victims know that these few cases of falsehood will cast doubt on their claims and they are more likely to be harrassed and belittled for coming forward about what happened than anything else. in fact, a lot of people who come forward about these things open themselves up to being harrassed yet again - which is the main reason why so many keep quiet. and, as unfortunate as it is, even "proof" that is obtained does not always sway the people who defend these figures even though the evidence is right there. (for example, although not xiv related, if people know who "dafran" is from the overwatch esports community... yeah.) it often takes other men to corroborate these stories for women to be believed.
Xeno, you're right that all these people that are out for blood and taking issues with hunt train drama or Nova etc are ridiculous. You're completely right on that and these people should seriously stop acting like this on twitter. But when you say you need actual evidence for things, you might think you're working with a solid principle but in reality that is really out of touch. A lot of these issues with women cannot have evidence besides their words and their experience - I mean how would that even happen? It's not like women record themselves 24/7 and it is very widely known that going to the police is very ineffective most of the time. Also, doesn't what you're saying also apply to sfia situation? You did not witness sfia typing these DMs to these girls or manipulate them irl, and discord DMs can easily be faked. Multiple people can come together and corroborate to share the same fake story as well. So in sfia's situation, all you have are just words and rumours + discord DMs which can be faked easily too. What I am trying to say is that the level of evidence can vary, and things are never as simple as evidence-or-nothing approach. It's not even agreed on what is "good enough evidence". Very often words is all they have, and you are being very unrealistic if you think words alone should be dismissed. As evidenced by so many women coming forward with their stories, things are heavily stacked against women by default. This is why you should always start out by considering what they say, instead of dismissing it because it's not "good enough evidence", whatever that means. Think about the greater picture and consider the pros and cons - a lot of victims are already discouraged from coming out due to power dynamic, not wanting to relive the trauma, fear of retaliation, etc. If you make it even harder for women to come out by insisting that they must always have "good enough evidence", you are not improving things on average. Just because some people lie and make false accusations doesn't mean you should throw out the baby with the bathwater. A better stance would be to consider everyone's words to begin with, but punish the false claims harder.
While Xeno did not emphasise it in his tweet, he specifically said in the video ''i'm not saying i believe it, but i'm also not saying i DON'T believe it, i'm neutral''. I didn't get the impression he's dismissing them because it's ''just words'', in fact it looks like he considered them quite fairly and has brought up clear issues he has with the allegations. If you want any kind of condemnation or any kind of action or... Just whatever you're even trying to achieve by making this public, then you need substance behind what you're saying I don't think Xeno is being out of touch there
@@Koodaris What I'm trying to say is that when women come out with these stories, we should assume that they do have substance behind what they're saying. That isn't asking for condemnation of other party, it's asking to take what they have to say seriously instead of saying "I'm sorry but I'm not going to believe this because you could've faked it." There is a world of difference between showing real concern, and dismissively saying we need evidence. Just think of a real life example. If a child comes to you crying because he said he got bullied by other kids, which one shows more care and concern? "Sorry I'm not going to believe you because you could be faking it", or "are you okay, and can you tell me what happened"?
@@Lilybellmusic I think he did exactly that, is what i am telling you. He took a look at it and thuroughly explained his issues with the allegations, and remains open to change should more information come to light in the future It doesn't change that this is a really poor public allegation, and you have to keep in mind that in the cases where a real victim was involved where a real crime was committed, this stuff CONSUMES YOUR LIFE. There are so many thoughts and so much swirling in your mind, so much to let out and so much you've thought over weeks, months, years Add to this that any public allegation like this will incite people. You're not responsible for what they do or say, but they were influenced none the less by your allegations. When you provide no substantial evidence, then this is equally important to me because one of you will have your reputation completely destroyed once this is over with. This is dead serious, it has very destructive consequences, potentially even legal ramifications. The victim is as much of a stranger to me as the accused I genuinely think Xeno has been fair here. The reaction and how he talks about it might appear otherwise, but that is related to his character, and not his assessment I implore you to actually look at the tweets, how they talk about Ryan mistaking going out as a date, how he raided with her ex, how she can't take Xeno seriously because of Ryan even though Xeno has on the record helped real abuse victims A lot of the allegations hangs on the ex being this vile criminal abuser and accusing Ryan (and Xeno) for guilt by association, and that Ryan may have been a little uncomfortable/creepy or lied to her once. That's the extent of the allegations. There isn't even anything incriminating towards Ryan as it stands, and this wasn't meant to be about her ex Edit: The tweets responding to her are also not dismissing her in the way you make it sound, they're actually questioning her and showing that they listened, and are wondering what exactly Ryan did. It seems that what you're asking for is at least taken to heart by some of the people
@@Koodaris When I talked about being dismissive, I wasn't talking about the tweets responding to her. I was talking about what Xeno is doing 9:26 onwards and his conclusion at 11:17. You say the way he talks about it and his reaction might appear otherwise but that's related to his character not assessment. But the way you present yourself is as important as what you say, and his assessment over what was given was "get the fuck out of here" at 11:17. I like Xeno when he's being silly, funny and overly dramatic, but when this is regarding hundreds of women who have come out sharing their stories, I think the way he has conducted himself is very poor and not considering the gravity of some of these pains. Instead of reaching out to the person making the tweet to ask for further clarification, he's decided that he doesn't think it's relevant and made fun of her to thousands of viewers live. Do you really think that is being fair and sensible? Xeno is also only talking about 1 person in that part of the video, but the community discussion is about treatment of women in general. You say the victim is as much of a stranger to me as the accused, but let's think about the statistics. There are overwhelmingly more women being sent creepy DMs and having uncomfortable interactions with men than the other way around. That does not mean we should automatically assume men are guilty, but it does mean that in vast majority of cases, our starting point should be to assume that women have something substantial and real to say. You're correct that allegations like this has potential to incite people, but that's why we need to listen with compassion and ask for more information. Xeno has not done either of those. He's not listening because he's already made up his mind that she could be lying, and he has made no effort to ask for more information. Refer back to my example with the bullied kid to see why this is such a bad way to deal with these things. What this does is create a very hostile environment where women don't feel like they can talk, because even if they speak up they will be told to "fuck off with that bullshit" by people who are not listening, and make no effort to learn more. And once again, this is just 1 person's allegation. The reality is that almost every single women have a story about someone making them uncomfortable. We really should not focus on this example or some publicized cases like Amber Heard to make a precedent of "evidence or nothing" like what Xeno is doing. That does not create a good environment for women, and as much as Xeno likes to deny it, he's an influencer and he will influence how people perceive things.
@@Lilybellmusic I'm not really here to talk about the general issue of what women facing abuse and coming out about it is like, so i think this is where our friction is. If that is the case then it seems you should take the discussion to where it's discussed. Xeno only focused on this particular instance, which is what i was focusing on. I think his reaction, to this particular instance, is fair game for sure. I assume the reason he only covered this one person is because they're targeting Ryan, which is affiliated with Xeno I think you're misplacing your (valid, mind you) concerns So the thing you seem to take issue with is Xeno's reaction primarily and what this could mean for other women coming out. I think were the situation different, his reaction would be as well. You can go and watch how much he extensively covered Lionel and what he's done to people and how much space and a platform Xeno gave one of the victims to speak out. In fact he's arguably one of the very few influencers that took it as serious and as far as he did, which speaks more volumes about his thoughts on *this* particular incident You say Xeno should be careful about how he approached alleged victims, but at what point are *you* being unreasonably faithful to someone who is potentially concocting a narrative that could destroy someone elses life, while simultaneously damaging the very cause you're championing? Also, Twitter and social media is not, nor should be, a good environment for women to come out and expose private matters to the public. Nor should they feel compelled to. That's a pretty bizarre phenomena which is primarily a US-cultural issue
Best to just step away from it, XIV Community in-game and on Twitter is nothing but a joke. You can still enjoy the game on your own without getting involved, but considering it is a social hub makes it a lil difficult
I left the game for the most part personally. The community is a joke and the game itself doesn’t provide me with any of the content that I want to do or they dont provide that content better than other games
@@ikeaira8701yeah, i quit 2 months ago for path of exile but i do keep tabs on the game because i cannot wait for the next field zone, but nowadays im not so sure
To me, the craziest thing about this video is learning that your background wasn't your room. I feel deceived. I bet you even have hair.
This makes me remember the fake fridge video, same energy.
@@Limelol he uses AI to remove his hair.
@@RiskOfBaer THERE IS NO FRIDGE! I LIED!
@@RiskOfBaer I LIED
Same, that guitar was my hero
Sadly Xeno is legit known more as a drama and react streamer than a greed god, this is the darkest of timelines.
Insane Greed God
He'll always be the necromancer scholar to me
He's just greeding the drama. Still a greed god, if you think of it that way.
It gets the most clicks unfortunately
he is just taking advantage of the drama hungry people, if yall stopped watching it then it wouldn't be popular
Bald bottom left
Whos saying ff has no content between patches, the community makes the content
And even the statement itself is stupid. You need patches to add content, so of course there's no extra content between patches lmao
new lore update every day
Those people aren't the FF14 community, they are Twitter posters. Those people live on there it's their lifestyle to them being terminally online, the absolute brain rot they have from always looking for problems to get mad over.
The worst type of content
Never understood that btw "no content between patches"... Isn't that the point? To have content in the patches and no between?
I no longer see social media as worth it.
People being able to talk to family on the other side of the planet.
People being able to support each other no matter the distance.
People being able to aid each other during the lockdowns.
There was so much potential and instead we have made social media a pit of hate, false allegations and abuse, and somehow worse things too. Fuck it.
Buddy, you sure are late on this take. Humans literally can't along in real life, what makes you think hiding behind the anonymity of a screen will change that?
@@ember-evergarden Because modern social media tends to have the innate effect where producing outrage drives the most traffic, and incentivizing it in some cases generates the most revenue, with disregard to facts and other boundaries well-adjusted people set between each other irl.
If you found it hard to understand why OP said they no longer found social media as worth it, you're being an "um acktually" 👆🏼🤓 while not even saying anything remotely smart. No shit humans fight with each other you clown, but with the way twitter is set up, it makes that environment worse for real discourse.
You also answered your own question; anonymity plays a huge part in feigning responsibility of one's actions online. But idk why I'm explaining this to someone too dumb to figure this out themselves, assuming you're already familiar with creatures like Lionel or places like 4chan.
I swear it's like every day I'm getting so many examples of why not having Twitter is probably the best decision I ever made in my life.
It was bad enough but then got much worst when Elon Musk bought it. The guy had taken companies to court when they decided not to use twitter,.
@IzzyPR2010 Nah it was always shit. It used to be a Tumblr refugee camp and with Elon musk they just added 4channers to the mix, so people are fighting constantly over dumb things no one cares about for engagement and money.
@@Dadude572 lmao I remember the first day when Elon took control the n word started trending 😂
Same.i deleted it last year and I'm not going back. It's beyond toxic. People are nasty just to be nasty. I don't really get the mentality of being continually hateful, other than they must have miserable lives.
@@IzzyPR2010 brain rot
NA people and FFXIV drama, name a more iconic duo
NA "people" and drama, name a more iconic duo
EA and surprise mechanics
Boeing and Strikes
@@corvoyami3192yeah because Requiescat is from NA... Oh wait...
@@polarroebear All the freaks are from NA lmfao (in and out of game)
Req speaks English wouldn't surprise me if he's americanised
Love ya Xeno but Spudz is correct. After almost 10 years I've just come forward and reported my own experience to the police. But I have very little, almost 0 evidence. I delayed reporting out of pure fear, thinking I'd never be believed, and also from the sheer impact of the trauma and having to relive it all over again.
I agree we need evidence I'm not arguing on your points for a minute because I actually agree with you. But I just want to say that there are more victims out there with 0 evidence than you'd think. Especially when it comes to grape or SA. Grape and SA crimes are not always violent either. These are things that happen in a most intimate setting where there are no witnesses. It's incredibly hard. For me as a victim having everyone say "we don't believe you" is incredibly hard, and a reason I delayed reporting to the police. In fact whilst I was in a relationship with my abuser, when I tried to reach out and tell people what I was going through, people sided with him and acted like I was a crazy woman. It was heartbreaking and traumatising that some people can just dismiss it without even taking the time to see.
If you know the person intimately, if it's your friend or family member or they've been in your life for a while, maybe they don't have evidence but you can have a deep conversation about it, see what their body language is, can they give you details, how do they act and react? You can sense a liar a mile off in a conversation like that because nothing adds up.
People who invent abuse make me absolutely sick, and they absolutely do. Often the perpetrators of abuse do this
To discredit the actual victim. It's disgusting so I understand the entire argument of needing evidence. An outsider, a stranger could never know who's honest and who's not :(
I hope things can get better for you. As someone who also suffered an assault that had to go unreported due to lack of evidence, I still have to agree with Xeno's take simply because of the state of the internet at large. People making shit up for sympathy or clout have ruined things for people like us, but I can understand why it's there.
We are not the problem; we suffer because of the actual problem.
@@Second_UNIT That's why even when he's handed proof, he dismisses it out of hand, right? People making shit up haven't ruined anything; even when you bring proof it doesn't matter to them.
@Second_UNIT thank you for your lovely words ❤️
I completely understand your point and agree, it's a real shame it has to be like this :( I hope everything is OK with you too. I'm sorry to hear you've experienced this as well
*"having everyone say "we don't believe you" is incredibly hard"* Yeah people dont understand that not being believed as a victim is traumatizing to the point where reporting it can actually make the healing process worse, its almost impossible to get hard evidence of SA which a lot of people dont seem to understand. I get the need for evidence but in most cases its not worth reporting it because of people like Xeno.
Its so wild how the entire sfia thing got so lost in the sauce it just became "i dont _____ content creator because they are bad with no proof"
As a former raid lead in WoW, and an assault survivor... a LOT of people try to lie about people they don't like. One great example is when I was in a private call with a shot caller in my group. I was messaged and told he had been harassing a girl in the group. I asked them to take a screenshot of the convo, and it all looked pretty legit. I asked the guy to show me their dms on a discord stream... nothing. Not even her messages that were in the fake messages. Later I found out the girl was rejected by him and wanted to take his spot from him. She had made an alt to have a conversation with herself. You truly can't trust people at their word anymore. This isn't to say you shouldn't support the person making the claims... Just that you shouldn't ruin someone's life with no evidence. Hope this dies down soon tbh
The last time I was doing duty roulettes, I did something wrong as a tank and a couple of people completely lost it in the chat. "I'm so glad I never have to see you in high level content!" Some in this community are genuinely great, others like this one is the reason I've been exclusively crafting and gathering the last few weeks.
Some people be saying that the constant drama is due from “content drought”, but let’s be honest folks.
This has been almost non-stop since like Endwalker lmao.
Since Shadowbringers! I began playing the game during 5.3 and I distinctively remember the amount of drama during those times.
@@ZoraDoom what are you talking about, this IS the content!
"If you take twitter seriously, you're brain-damaged."
Truest and based of take.
There will always be someone who hears, "I like pancakes" and translates as, "I hate waffles" ...just not worth the argument.
XIV twitter sees "I don't believe people without evidence" and reads "I hate women"
Classic Twitter:
"I like chicken"
"OH, SO YOU HATE VEGETARIANS!?!?! HOW DARE YOU!?!?"
Always someone inferring whatever will make them the maddest.
So who's ready ff14 to win best community award for another year in a row
To be fair, ffxiv general community is great, it's twitter with the issues, and of course top end clique drama or youtuber/well known personality turning out to be a shithead occasionally, the usual popular people drama you find everywhere, but you play the game and it really is a great community
It’s less of a choice and more of a lack of options I think haha.
it seems like there is a lot of this going around but the internet gives everyone a megaphone. if you really keep up with how much shitty people are around, its a far far far far smaller number of people then it seems.
why is it FFXIV's fault that people on twitter are weird? Are you gonna blame GTA for school shooters because they so happen to play GTA? Let me guess, videogames are the cause of violence?
@@gil749 damn you went on a fucking trip to get angry about something entirely different than what we’re talking about
Once again the internet proves to me that these people in the ff14 community are hazards to society. The fact that they don’t understand the concept of “evidence” just highlights why it’s so important in a court of law
This mindset is not exclusive to the ff14 or any community.
As per usual, twitter is the court of public opinion that no one with a head on their shoulders will actually take seriously.
”The IQ of a mob is the IQ of the most stupid member divided by the number of mobsters.”
-Terry Pratchett
I used to be surprised how this quote sometimes made sense. Now adays? Not so much.
The “believe all women” thing was such a haphazard phrase and poisoned so many people without critical thinking skills. The reason that phrase exists isn’t because women are always right and telling the truth, it’s because they’re victimized more often than men.
The phrase people should have used is “take all potential victims seriously.” But that doesn’t fit in a hashtag nicely.
It's not because it didn't fit the hashtag or didn't sound as catchy. It's because the goal WAS to have people believe all women without question, so they could do exactly what they did to Johnny Depp or Pro Jared. That was the literal goal, they just wanted the power to do that. And, of course, now it has backfired and the pendulum has swung the other way. Now people don't just question a woman who makes accusations without proof, they are actively less prone to take any accusations seriously because of all the fake accusation scandals. And you know what, good! That's what you get for actively misusing the power you've been given.
@@RiskOfBaernah this is a chronically online psycho take, its the fact that the existing tagline is catchier, its not that deep lol
@@RiskOfBaeractually youre just a weird fuckin guy in general with very sexist beliefs in the first place, dunno why I bothered😭
I prefer the soviet saying:
doveryai, no proveryai
Trust, but verify.
@@shelflord1686 The end result proves the intent.
It is far worse to convict an innocent man then to let a guilty one walk free. Every modern justice system is based on this concept.
I've always been under the mindset of that I'll believe victims but I'd still like proof. I want to give people the benefit of the doubt and trust them but the truth of the matter is that people lie, not everyone can be trusted and evidence is needed. I'm a woman myself and I raid, I believe that a lot of my fellow women have suffered a lot of abuse and ignoring over things they can't control but there are vindictive people, there are people who just hate others and want them to suffer retribution for things in the past.
What we should do is trust victims but not 100% unless they can provide evidence, some insane people do have platforms they use to manipulate the truth, especially during situations like these where public opinion can easily be swayed.
imho in these types of situations stuff like arthars' comments about how "it takes two hands to clap" is not very productive because once again it puts the blame of being manipulated and led on by another person on the victim, not the perpetrator. I also don't know why two big content creators are hijacking the whole conversation, reducing it to "drama" and with that direct even more weirdos to also harass the people who are coming forward WITH evidence of mistreatment. Like this is not benefiting anyone except the people making bank on clickbait "drama" videos.
I know the forums were bad, but Twitter almost has no cork to it. I hope everyone uses this website less and less over time. Its not healthy for anyone.
Normal people: Where is your proof this happened?
Twitter: the proof is I made it the f*ck up!
Twitter is so wack, there's no saving them.
it was stated in cfyow
@imbawling I see the Bleach subreddit meme is leaking 😂
the worst part is they don't even brother making up proofs
FF14 community + twitter is basically a double negative
*video starts*
"Yo you guys seen twitter?"
me: thankfully not!
I feel like the person who made the "lusting after trans women" comment was mad because you called out Sena Bryer's bad take about the song Smile and her unprofessional conduct. :T
Amazing the mental gymnastics people do to try and come out as the 'right' person in a situation.
as a trans person it's so frustrating when other trans people do this. being trans doesn't automatically put them on a pedestal of goodness and correctness. it shouldn't be career ending to disagree with a trans person's take and making it out to be a sexual issue on xenos's part is just fucking weird and extremely revealing on their part.
People got no lives of their own.
This is such a stupid hill to die on for twitter. If they knew anything about Xeno. They'd know he would be the most vocal advocate for this when evidence actually comes out. Which is more likely and common than people like to pretend. Especially if this happened over a long period of time. Xeno is the guy you want in your corner cause he will go the extra mile for you. Xeno doesn't play the accusation/allegation game and that's all they care about so he is now enemy number 1
I 100% knew this was going to get out of control after I saw the sfia drama. A lot of these people are from the biggest and most toxic FF14 discords. That's actually how the Sfia dogpill happened so quickly. They love this crap. They fester for so long inside their echo chambers that every time they poke their head out. They are even more extreme than the last time. No one takes all their crap seriously normally cause they sound insane so they need stuff like this that people can't ignore.
💯💯💯
Twitter people have the reading comprehension level of a child.
General rule of thumb, people on twitter have zero sense of reading between lines or really any sort of proper reading comprehension.
just a general rule of thumb, people on Twitter are fucking idiots.
so often I just scroll through it (while working, can't be arsed to do that in my actual free time) and I see hot takes that i'm like "are you ok? we need to call someone for you?"
I'm just here, waiting for the Twitter users meltdown in the comments xdx
The part that shocks me is the fact they think this is no drama. Some people tried to tell this story to the Japanese community and they were pretty weird out about why they should care about couples problems.
Another reason why being in JP is peaceful most of the time (outside sometimes seeing JP Only in PFs)
i remember when xeno used to exclusively stream raids. now he's like this. everyone devolves into a react andy....
i stopped playing the game cuz im just sick of the drama chasers everywhere in this community
crazy how people think they have the right to call anyone out without proof
Happy I got a full time blue collar job and a full set of hair, I'll never understand the twatter hivemind
This is just so weird...i joined the FFXIV community very recently (6.2) and istg it felt like paradise, the perfect gaming community but as soon as you go a lil deeper it reveals this huge shithole of drama.
You have to have a minimum amount of mental dysfunction to lead a FC from what I've seen...
It's really not that big a deal, no one gives a shit about this stuff except chronically online people on twitter.
nicest coummity btw.... thats actually gw2 lol
@@QuillTail well the problem is that i get wind of all this shit without actively searching for it. Doesn't ruin the game or the community but definitly sours it.
Pretty much. FF14 is great as long as you avoid literally every community in and out of game. GCBTW
Twitter has the reading comprehension of a fucking mosquito.
I think people just get hung up on the need hard evidence stance and then running with preconceived notions. It just sucks that being a women means unless I fight back violently and risk serious body injury or death, you just gotta let it happen and then pretend it never did.
This happens a lot to Twitter artists. There are organized groups for this. Discord servers they've made where numerous people gather evidence to try and report/out people they don't like. It's so fucking weird.
FF14 Twitter community is something special. We usually don't see this kind of garbage with other games 💀
I'm a woman and was attacked over this whole shitstorm because I outwardly stated that what is happening isn't about misogyny or sexism, it's about /people/ being terrible to one another and as a society we need to work together, men and women, to make it a better place for everyone. The attacker obviously focused on the fact that I said it wasn't about misogyny or sexism. Completely disregarding the fact that I stated we treat /people/ terribly, equally, and equally, we need to change our attitudes and behaviors for a better world. But ya'know, fuck me for not joining the blanket hating on men bandwagon as a woman. Someone else literally said I was a "bad person". For wanting equality. Like, what? *insert jackie-chan wtf meme*
you didnt deserve to be attacked over it but it's a bit disingenuous to say it isnt about misogyny or sexism when all the potential victims coming out are women, with most talking about how remarks were made towards them specifically about being a woman. I agree that we should work together to make it a better place for everyone for the bigger picture, but people should be allowed to defend against being discriminated without being lumped into that whole category of "lets treat everyone equally" without addressing them first since it's a bit dismissive, which is likely the reason you were called a bad person.
This is a no win situation with people like this on social media, they are more concerned with pushing a specific narrative over caring about the well being of others. They are a hivemind and if you don't agree with them they will just attack your character by calling you a pick me or some other demeaning insult to try to take away from what you are trying to say. It's just better off to block and/or avoid these kinds of people alltogether.
"Believe all women" unless you go against their hivemind. Then you're just as bad as men to them. I'm a woman as well and I cannot vocally express how I feel about any of these topics because I get called every name under the sun as well. I agree, it's always about /people/ being shitty to other people. I know guys who have left the raiding scene because they were being "too nice" to others or "being a push over." Like yes, women get shit on for reasons, but so do men. It's literally just people being shitty to each other.
And also as a woman, I've never felt alienated or preyed upon in group settings in games. I just choose not to join them because drama ensues no matter either gender you are.
@@anthony26812 the issue is, that men historically have been mocked for coming out as being "harassed" or "SA'd"
Look at the Johnny vs Amber trial, before it was known what Amber actually did, everyone was mocking Johnny Depp for not being a man, so most men who are abused just bottle it up quietly and let it go.
"when all the potential victims coming out are women" that's just the issue, society has basically made it so that women SHOULD be believed straight away, no proof or anything, meanwhile men who openly come out with this shit gets mocked instantly for not "being a man"
But also, if it's just "remarks" against women, it's against both sides, men say stupid shit and women say stupid shit, just that women are more easily outspoken about it, doubly so if they have a following compared to men, who might tell a good friend here and there.
I stopped caring about the labels, they serve no purpose any more and seem meaningless. If a situation is shitty and/or illegal, then it is shitty and/or illegal. It doesn't matter what the accuser or the accused self identifies as or whether the situation is considered misogynistic or sexist or racist or whatever.
Regardless of all of that, the standard of the burden of proof must be the same and it does fall on the accuser to meet that (as much as that might suck and can be difficult). The best thing someone can do in this case is to protect themselves as soon as possible; get a restraining order, sever any ties to them, find somewhere else to stay.
Of course, all of that is considered dismissive or not taking things seriously, because it isn't unquestionably taking the side of the accuser. It's pretty fucked up that we are still at that point after all these years of "just believe us". Unfortunately, the few abusers of that trust, who were lying or inflating shit, have ruined that for all so it's back to requiring proof.
American FFXIV community never dissapoints
It's so funny seeing people go back and forth between "Hey you should use your platform to talk about this!!"
To
"Omg he's milking the drama for content!!"
Do you want him to speak or not? Lol
He specifically said he has dirt on a bunch of people but isn't going to speak on it. Instead he's making drama reactions and making shitty arguments on twitter, while gloating about how many views it's going to get on his discord.
FF14 community is so god damn weird, truly.
People have forgotten you have to proove guilt not innocence
Dude, if this saying actually worked or if anyone was ever protected from it the world would be a better place.
The reality is so far in the opposite direction that it's impossible to even take seriously at this point.
@@Grimnoire totally agree its sad cause thats how its supposed to be. In law yes it still remains for the most part but not always. Wording of the law is innocent until proven guilty still remains but is often thrown aside
@@TeddyBearsGames Are people actually unaware of how unlikely it is for men to actually be convicted of sexual assault, even _with_ proof? Because it's horribly naive.
@@rtiq270 Because ruining someone's life by lying about sexual assault is so much better, right?
@@ruily276 --is such a seriously low statistic that men are more likely to be sexually assaulted than be falsely accused of such.
It's crazy that people don't know about the green screen lore.
Braindead chat in the corner lead by the Keemstar of XIV community.
This is so difficult to listen to. Dysfunctional people fighting each other in a pit that is twitter 😔
terminally online people getting farmed by Xeems lol
Logic is like kryptonite to these kinds of people and as soon as they resort to strawman arguments, or just make blind accusations without a shred of proof they can't be taken seriously. They can stay mad and hopefully, they're dumb enough to take it one step too far one day and get taken to court.
From the little I've seen of Arthar's wife, if he tried to bully her, she'd laugh, take the gloves off and win.
Been lurking in the twitter stuff gonna be honest. everyone in the xiv community is weird. people are mentally damaged and act like their above others. they get mad if they can't have it "there way" that person who exposing your mod is still yappin away and the other person that called out arthars is still yappin. i get there their coming from but it's just annyoing seeing it. give it a couple weeks everyone goes back to normal and stops talking. but if people tell me that i can't be friends with someone because of actions they did then i won't listen nor be sucked into their bs drama i rather just listen and dip out.
I am with Xeno, I cannot believe people without proof. I can be sympathetic but I'm not going to call for someone'sv livelihood to be damaged over accusations without proof.
Thats kind of what people mean when they say believe victims though? Some people take it too far, but its important to treat victims with sincerity and respect when they come out. That's what they want
@@verdantmischief7092 I can agree that victims have every right to be heard and should be supported, that is entirely separate than holding people accountable. I fully agree with the US courts idea that you are innocent until proven guilty, but it doesn't take much for people to listen to victims. Understanding that we should listen, but not take unjust action is something many struggle with.
the ffxiv twitter community is primarily why i deleted my twitter.
For me, it was because I started getting recommended political crap once Elon took over and the amount of bots following me got annoying. Haven't used Twitter since then
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 that too lol
Dude, you went for the low hanging fruits. You should have responded to those screenshots where you said you don't care about any of this except to make content out of it. Are those real? Are those enough evidence for you? C'mon dude.
Replying to update that Xenosys is absolutely limp for his lack of response to the current evidence. You talk passionately about needing evidence but you've addressed none of them. If they are fake, how are they fake? Address them. Like, bro, this sort of situation is what your whole channel thrives on, and you ignore it? And what about that journalist who wanted to do an interview with you? Bro. GIve us content. I don't even care if you think you're right or wrong. You love content is all that matters, and so do we. C'mon man.
Arthars and his wife just seem like the average Chinese couple, it's just a cultural difference lol
Singarore* but close enough
@@75skyloftmexicanSingapore* but close enough
@@ShikiRyougi05 Sing-a-pour* but close enough
@@75skyloftmexican Shit-a-poo* but close enough
@@ShikiRyougi05 Ohio* you misspelled a bit
So glad I don't go on Twitter. I have watched Arthars and his wife on stream together and she likes messing with him - it's pretty funny. I don't think you have to hang out with them IRL to see the dynamic, but maybe that is because I'm married.
GCBTW.
The ironic part about telling you guys to "shut up" is that those same people would be mad that other men aren't calling each other out. You can't win on Twitter. Doesn't matter what you say/do.
I did a lot of eureka trains on instances the Mr.happy was in and a few times on his party never did i see him complain in party chat, say or shout about taking lead most of the time we went from fate to fate no chat involved till the big fate timers open then some one would say kill x to span x and coord never did i see this person being Mr.happy, this baseless tweets are wild
the average player of the modern audience continues to prove their fundamental incompatability with a normal and functioning society.
I have never really seen much of your content just saw it sometimes popping up. I always thought u were a pretty decent nice guy from what i saw, And after seeing all the stuff on twitter i still gave you some benefit of the doubt. Maybe you used your words wrong or something like that however seeing the most recent clips (which came directly from your streams) any of those doubts are completely gone. Idk laughing at victims seem pretty vile to me and defending those abusers as well doesnt seem right to me. And there is so much proof of them being terrible people like the amount of screenshots i see flying by. I am a guy and even i feel genuinely uncomfortable by them.
I will probably never understand why you would rather defend these abusers instead of being against this sort of behavior and support the victims instead. even if you dont agree with the victims i think its really strange to cheer for the abusers in general.
Looking up some of these, just to read through their documents, and somehow being pre-blocked by every single one is weirdly funny to me.
The fact that telling twitter "people" that you need evidence, before you ruin someones life, sends them into a flying rage is honestly horrifying, mental illness echo chambers.
Here's a tip for the people on Twitter: If you want to get rid of content creators then DON'T harass them, because all they will do is take your actions and use it to generate yet more content.
Content creators exist by the grace of their subscribers and viewers. So if you really want to get rid of these guys then the answer is simple - Don't subscribe to them, don't watch them and don't interact with them.
Is the new MSQ that bad that they need all these additional storylines?
The new msq is fine tbh. I’d be willing to bet that most of this has been bubbling for a lot longer than DT or potentially even EW.
Maybe they should have asked to talk to 4 people before talking to Wuk Lamat.
@@rustyjones7908wuk lamat clenches her fist😊
Yes.
The new msq is great honestly. I enjoyed it quite a bit.
It's okay to support and believe victims without simultaneously condemning the accused until having evidence.
This is one of the reasons I quit F14, ya'll are fucking nuts.
Granted too many places for mentally ill
@@DoppelgangerTH then they'll lose like 90% of their player base.
@rustyjones7908 wonder what's gonna be the final nail in the coffin, the msq going downhill or community becoming incredibly deranged
I'm one of the sane players, though I've gotten caught in the crossfire of FC drama or people got upset over stuff
This is why I mainly just play with ppl I know irl in ff14, I tried to make friends with ppl I met in game but it just gets weird 80% of the time, so I just interact with them on a surface level if they talk to me
17:10 its actually getting to be a huge issue that people lack basic reading comprehension skills these days. No one can focus enough to read a single post and retain all of the context from one sentence to another. Each new sentence is a new entity completely divorced from all previous text. That or their personal biases are so strong or they are so whipped up by the constant flow of negativity from Twitter that they are incapable of actually understanding the text in front of them.
This is why I don't have a Facebook, X or Instagram.
This is why I have never had a twitter account and refuse to go on it... Twitter is a giant echo chamber cesspool of dumb ass people who mean nothing to me
Ffxiv the modern mental asylum.
when there is a FF14 break in content this stuff always pops up.
FFXIV is a great game, I love it. However, the community is 90% toxic Lefty weirdos... I try to avoid the community as much as possible.
Nah, it's mostly the Western side of it. People on the JP side are weirded out about all this as to why it's such a big deal.
90% of the community keeps to themselves and just enjoys the game.
AINT NO WAY SLEEPY RAIJIN IS CHIMING IN ON THIS SHIT AHHAHAHAHA
This feels like deja vu to me as a Destiny 2 refugee. I kid you not, the Twitter community on Destiny 2 fucking hates the content creators (which I'll admit, a few like GernaderJake are assholes). Crazy to see it happen to the FFXIV content creators now, which are far more chill than the Destiny 2 content creators (excluding people like Byf and Aztecross. Datto I dislike because he comes off as an armchair game dev)
I refuse to believe people on twitter are real but then i remember they're probably like 14 yrs old.
People on twitter be a whole level of soft and stupid that I keep forgetting exists.
How we go from someone cheating on someone to talks of sexual assault is beyond my comprehension.
The FF14 to Twitter to mental asylum patient pipeline is real
14:37 funnily enough that Kris person threatened to send a bunch of people to my DM’s for saying a VA (Sena Bryer) didn’t do the best job she could have and that she was kind of an idiot on social media, they are a Billy Bullshitter cause I got no one in my DM’s after they claimed I would do. I’m pretty sure they are just engagement farming if anything.
@@astorant7084 95% of the time she was fine. Any intense scene and her voice just sounds strained. (Spheeeeeene! Listen to me!)
@@rustyjones7908I played in Japanese dub so I wouldn't know. My problems with the VA stems from her posts on Twitter but I don't hate her. If she gives me a reason to, that'll be a different story but I'm just neutral with the VA and hope Wuk Lamat becomes more likeable
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 Yeah, love the character actually. I ignore what the VA does
@@rustyjones7908going through the level 96 quests myself, I really like what I've seen of the character so far, I honestly prefer the unvoiced cutscenes this time around though
@@MiniDallas000 I did enjoy the msq in general. but let's be honest, it's no Shadowbringers.
The victims didn't want to be publicly known
In court, words mean nothing.
Arthurs cheating on his wife is so wild lmfao. People are insane
Falsely accusing him for abusing his wife is wild shit twitter is a mistake
@@BobTan5487 And somehow his life isn't ruined? crazy
Can people just recall the depp trials? please?
The people saying you're transphobe are the same people who say you're mysogynistic or transphobic because you dont like some of the female protags or say they dont like Wuk Lamat (Whether its her character, or voice, or line delivery)
Is there ANY positive Twitter community, like at all? Sites a damn cesspool.
Also calling someone out for being "mean" in Eureka is wild. Did that hurt him that bad!? It was 7 years ago!
Bald moment
If you want the short version skip to 22:26
I feel like people on twitter just do it for the fun of it. Like they get some kind of satisfaction being "knights in armor", or "crusaders".
Crusaders weren't good people, not even close.
you can act all cutie all you want, but after this incident all you have are incels in your chat. be better man.
wdym "why wouldn't she just call the police" yk this take is dumb don't you, the abused people most of the times can provide 0 evidence or even call the police because of the fear
instead of immediately getting defensive about it and taking side try getting deeper into the situation if you really want to post your takes on that, after all you're a big xiv streamer with responsibilities
I think people heard the "parasocial" discussion too soon from Asmondgold. I think we need to go back to that for one moment from at least one CC in every gaming community. Cause from what I watched so far, at least three different community vastly different from one another, except they like anime in some way, all have a community that cares too much about what their favorite CC is doing with their signigificant others. Weither it be them fuckin' or fighting, the community gotta know. 🙃
Reminds me of the whole "believe all women" thing. And since this is the FF14 community.... yeeeeah. Super wild they are going after Happy thoe. Bro is critical about hunt train, gets branded a threat to the hive mind, lol.
What does he not like about hunttrains?
Not allowed to criticize archaic pieces of content that a certain community of brainlets seems to think they "own".
@@XyrenosMight have to do with how it works now. In ShB, people would wait for players before pulling the boss whereas now (at least on my DC), people rush the train and it often results in people missing on the rewards since the game can't load in everything at once.
It's definitely more frustrating now because I'd love to get the mounts but people rushing the boss makes it difficult
100% approval of his criticism from me then.
The peak hour bullettrains are horrible if 200+ people rush around and you get stuck at the aetherite to change instances for too long you always miss the first mark.
At least some trains let everyone change instance before announcing next target but I guess having 36 marks per train somehow makes people feel the need to rush it.
Xeno I love you man but what on earth are you doing?
I can only assume dawntrail was extremely boring if people are this busy attacking others over nothing.
this is it for the next 2 years
i have no problems with mr happy's statement. my issue comes in the form of people making this out to be "drama" when the original discussion that was happening on twitter was women within the ff14/raiding WF community discussing how unsafe it is for women WITHIN these communities, with sfia being only one part of the problem. the reason arthas was attacked was because he harrassed a woman live on stream after they apologized for being bad within the group. arthas then proceeded to victim blame on twitter about the whole thing and attempt to justify why he "Had" to harrass her on stream. he took no accountability for his own actions and how his actions affected a woman within the community, thus being part of the problem regarding women feeling unsafe.
sfia is only one part of the problem when it comes to the wider conversation around the rampant misogyny going on in the community. and, often times, other men go out of their way to defend the men within their circle or be completely silent and not speak up - this further contributing to the unsafe atmosphere when it comes to women within the RWF space in ff14. i will not speak on your (xeno's) involvement because i do not know enough to comment, but i will comment on the butchering of what is happening and the reduction of it into a mere drama when the discussion was about something far, FAR more systemic within the gaming space.
misogyny is rampant and more men need to speak up and speak out. because, unfortunately, more people listen to men than they do women. which is, also, unfortunately, a form of misogyny. people are so terrified of "Losing" their place within a circle that they do not realize these people/circles are very much not ones they benefit from existing within in the first place.
everything that happened with sfia happened a day or so into the entire conversation/discussion that was being had by women within the online space when it comes to raiding.
that being said: when it comes to accusations of assault and the like, i want people to ask a simple question to them. why do you care more about defending men and their "livelihoods" over defending women who have either had their livelihoods destroyed, or will have their livelihoods destroyed as a result of coming forward about the abuse they have to endure? unfortunately, in this case, the "proof" or "evidence" regarding what has happened to them IS their testimony. it is much easier for men or falsely accused people to defend themselves. and, yes, whilst false accusations DO happen, they're so few and far between compared to the ones that are truthful that i feel as though people use faking claims of abuse as an excuse to harrass or victim blame these women and invalidate their experiences.
i do not believe in "believe all accusations" however i do believe in giving credence and support to them. most false claims DO in fact do so in order to gain something, but they usually already have the power and privilege to obtain that power or maintain it to begin with. most actual victims know that these few cases of falsehood will cast doubt on their claims and they are more likely to be harrassed and belittled for coming forward about what happened than anything else. in fact, a lot of people who come forward about these things open themselves up to being harrassed yet again - which is the main reason why so many keep quiet. and, as unfortunate as it is, even "proof" that is obtained does not always sway the people who defend these figures even though the evidence is right there. (for example, although not xiv related, if people know who "dafran" is from the overwatch esports community... yeah.) it often takes other men to corroborate these stories for women to be believed.
it begins
It took my sub ending to realize all this shit was going on in the ff western community. wtf is wrong with these ppl lol
Goddamn I'm running out of popcorn with the amount of drama and scenery popping out
Xeno, you're right that all these people that are out for blood and taking issues with hunt train drama or Nova etc are ridiculous. You're completely right on that and these people should seriously stop acting like this on twitter.
But when you say you need actual evidence for things, you might think you're working with a solid principle but in reality that is really out of touch. A lot of these issues with women cannot have evidence besides their words and their experience - I mean how would that even happen? It's not like women record themselves 24/7 and it is very widely known that going to the police is very ineffective most of the time. Also, doesn't what you're saying also apply to sfia situation? You did not witness sfia typing these DMs to these girls or manipulate them irl, and discord DMs can easily be faked. Multiple people can come together and corroborate to share the same fake story as well. So in sfia's situation, all you have are just words and rumours + discord DMs which can be faked easily too.
What I am trying to say is that the level of evidence can vary, and things are never as simple as evidence-or-nothing approach. It's not even agreed on what is "good enough evidence". Very often words is all they have, and you are being very unrealistic if you think words alone should be dismissed. As evidenced by so many women coming forward with their stories, things are heavily stacked against women by default. This is why you should always start out by considering what they say, instead of dismissing it because it's not "good enough evidence", whatever that means.
Think about the greater picture and consider the pros and cons - a lot of victims are already discouraged from coming out due to power dynamic, not wanting to relive the trauma, fear of retaliation, etc. If you make it even harder for women to come out by insisting that they must always have "good enough evidence", you are not improving things on average. Just because some people lie and make false accusations doesn't mean you should throw out the baby with the bathwater. A better stance would be to consider everyone's words to begin with, but punish the false claims harder.
While Xeno did not emphasise it in his tweet, he specifically said in the video ''i'm not saying i believe it, but i'm also not saying i DON'T believe it, i'm neutral''. I didn't get the impression he's dismissing them because it's ''just words'', in fact it looks like he considered them quite fairly and has brought up clear issues he has with the allegations. If you want any kind of condemnation or any kind of action or... Just whatever you're even trying to achieve by making this public, then you need substance behind what you're saying
I don't think Xeno is being out of touch there
@@Koodaris What I'm trying to say is that when women come out with these stories, we should assume that they do have substance behind what they're saying. That isn't asking for condemnation of other party, it's asking to take what they have to say seriously instead of saying "I'm sorry but I'm not going to believe this because you could've faked it." There is a world of difference between showing real concern, and dismissively saying we need evidence.
Just think of a real life example. If a child comes to you crying because he said he got bullied by other kids, which one shows more care and concern? "Sorry I'm not going to believe you because you could be faking it", or "are you okay, and can you tell me what happened"?
@@Lilybellmusic I think he did exactly that, is what i am telling you. He took a look at it and thuroughly explained his issues with the allegations, and remains open to change should more information come to light in the future
It doesn't change that this is a really poor public allegation, and you have to keep in mind that in the cases where a real victim was involved where a real crime was committed, this stuff CONSUMES YOUR LIFE. There are so many thoughts and so much swirling in your mind, so much to let out and so much you've thought over weeks, months, years
Add to this that any public allegation like this will incite people. You're not responsible for what they do or say, but they were influenced none the less by your allegations. When you provide no substantial evidence, then this is equally important to me because one of you will have your reputation completely destroyed once this is over with. This is dead serious, it has very destructive consequences, potentially even legal ramifications. The victim is as much of a stranger to me as the accused
I genuinely think Xeno has been fair here. The reaction and how he talks about it might appear otherwise, but that is related to his character, and not his assessment
I implore you to actually look at the tweets, how they talk about Ryan mistaking going out as a date, how he raided with her ex, how she can't take Xeno seriously because of Ryan even though Xeno has on the record helped real abuse victims
A lot of the allegations hangs on the ex being this vile criminal abuser and accusing Ryan (and Xeno) for guilt by association, and that Ryan may have been a little uncomfortable/creepy or lied to her once. That's the extent of the allegations. There isn't even anything incriminating towards Ryan as it stands, and this wasn't meant to be about her ex
Edit: The tweets responding to her are also not dismissing her in the way you make it sound, they're actually questioning her and showing that they listened, and are wondering what exactly Ryan did. It seems that what you're asking for is at least taken to heart by some of the people
@@Koodaris When I talked about being dismissive, I wasn't talking about the tweets responding to her. I was talking about what Xeno is doing 9:26 onwards and his conclusion at 11:17. You say the way he talks about it and his reaction might appear otherwise but that's related to his character not assessment. But the way you present yourself is as important as what you say, and his assessment over what was given was "get the fuck out of here" at 11:17. I like Xeno when he's being silly, funny and overly dramatic, but when this is regarding hundreds of women who have come out sharing their stories, I think the way he has conducted himself is very poor and not considering the gravity of some of these pains. Instead of reaching out to the person making the tweet to ask for further clarification, he's decided that he doesn't think it's relevant and made fun of her to thousands of viewers live. Do you really think that is being fair and sensible?
Xeno is also only talking about 1 person in that part of the video, but the community discussion is about treatment of women in general. You say the victim is as much of a stranger to me as the accused, but let's think about the statistics. There are overwhelmingly more women being sent creepy DMs and having uncomfortable interactions with men than the other way around. That does not mean we should automatically assume men are guilty, but it does mean that in vast majority of cases, our starting point should be to assume that women have something substantial and real to say.
You're correct that allegations like this has potential to incite people, but that's why we need to listen with compassion and ask for more information. Xeno has not done either of those. He's not listening because he's already made up his mind that she could be lying, and he has made no effort to ask for more information. Refer back to my example with the bullied kid to see why this is such a bad way to deal with these things. What this does is create a very hostile environment where women don't feel like they can talk, because even if they speak up they will be told to "fuck off with that bullshit" by people who are not listening, and make no effort to learn more.
And once again, this is just 1 person's allegation. The reality is that almost every single women have a story about someone making them uncomfortable. We really should not focus on this example or some publicized cases like Amber Heard to make a precedent of "evidence or nothing" like what Xeno is doing. That does not create a good environment for women, and as much as Xeno likes to deny it, he's an influencer and he will influence how people perceive things.
@@Lilybellmusic I'm not really here to talk about the general issue of what women facing abuse and coming out about it is like, so i think this is where our friction is. If that is the case then it seems you should take the discussion to where it's discussed. Xeno only focused on this particular instance, which is what i was focusing on. I think his reaction, to this particular instance, is fair game for sure. I assume the reason he only covered this one person is because they're targeting Ryan, which is affiliated with Xeno
I think you're misplacing your (valid, mind you) concerns
So the thing you seem to take issue with is Xeno's reaction primarily and what this could mean for other women coming out. I think were the situation different, his reaction would be as well. You can go and watch how much he extensively covered Lionel and what he's done to people and how much space and a platform Xeno gave one of the victims to speak out. In fact he's arguably one of the very few influencers that took it as serious and as far as he did, which speaks more volumes about his thoughts on *this* particular incident
You say Xeno should be careful about how he approached alleged victims, but at what point are *you* being unreasonably faithful to someone who is potentially concocting a narrative that could destroy someone elses life, while simultaneously damaging the very cause you're championing?
Also, Twitter and social media is not, nor should be, a good environment for women to come out and expose private matters to the public. Nor should they feel compelled to. That's a pretty bizarre phenomena which is primarily a US-cultural issue
It's amazing what takes perceived anonymity brings out.
he was giving us kisses and dating Nova at the same time, let that sink.... 😔
i cant take this anymore
Best to just step away from it, XIV Community in-game and on Twitter is nothing but a joke. You can still enjoy the game on your own without getting involved, but considering it is a social hub makes it a lil difficult
I left the game for the most part personally. The community is a joke and the game itself doesn’t provide me with any of the content that I want to do or they dont provide that content better than other games
@@ikeaira8701yeah, i quit 2 months ago for path of exile but i do keep tabs on the game because i cannot wait for the next field zone, but nowadays im not so sure