Daughter of Murdered Parents is Found Over 40 Years Later | Holly Marie Clouse Case Analysis
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- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Harold and Tina Clouse and their daughter Holly Marie Clouse?
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Thank you so much for sharing this information. Dean was my first cousin. Our family has only speculated what happened to his family for all these years . I am so thankful his mother is still alive and will soon be able to see Holly Marie.
Brenda thank you for sharing. I’m very sorry for the loss of your cousin. This sounds like a horrible thing for your family to go through but I’m very happy his mother is still alive so she can be reunited with Holly Marie. I’m sure she would love to see photos and hear stories only you all as the family can share. I wish you all peace and comfort in the days ahead 🌹❤️
Gosh, I’m so happy that your family has found Holly. Wow! What a situation!
I wouldn't rule out the family that raised her
Oh this just made me so happy!!! I hope some healing can happen for everyone involved. Thank you for sharing this!
@@barbramarshall9790 Holly was thankfully dropped off at a church and I’m sure she was put up for adoption from there. The family who adopted her would have nothing to do with this. Hens the reason he makes note in the video that the police have ruled them out.
Yes, giving a child away and returning a car to the family are usually good ways to get caught but this was the early eighties; given this was only just solved, their confidence was not misplaced.
Yes! And there is the possibility that they asked each other: How would an innocent person behave in this situation? Well, obviously return the car for example…
Exactly. I think the "Jesus people" are guilty. They may assumed that returning the car would be the actions of an ostensibly innocent and good hearted group of people.
…and, these are crazy cult members, so not know to have the best logic.
This just looks to me like another case of a family who couldn't be bothered by trying to find out what really happened to their missing loved one. Whatever happened with the Jesus Freaks and the car, that was 40 years ago !!! Did NO One try to find out what happened to their family members in 40 years ??? The FBI has a nationwide database of "unidentified persons", Doe corpses who have never been identified. The BIGGEST Reason for this database is that NO One ever filed a missing person report on these people with the cops. Two unidentified corpses just 140 miles from where the couple went missing was not a hard connection to make even in 1980. if a missing person report had been filed and if the family followed up. I've seen so many American cases over the years where a family member just walks away and their family doesn't even seem to notice. How do you like THOSE "family values" ???
I agree but then again the MONEY motivation is a big reason to murder someone. No matter what you believe when money enters the picture anything can happen, even with so-called good people.
Also, there was NO internet back at that time, so how did the cult members know who to contact in reference to the car? Maybe they found the registration in the glove compartment? Or maybe from Deans wallet or his wife's purse? The timing of everything is very important.
$1,000 in 1980 is worth $3,547.28 today, so a far amount of money that would be of great value to a nomadic cult with little to now money.
Back then the cult wanted people to turn over everything to the movement to divide evenly to all members, perhaps Dean and his wife did not want to give up everything and so they were murdered for it.
I hope somone from that cult comes forward with knowledge of what happened. Especially as to the timing of when the baby was found and the car was returned, and any police report in Florida.
Ha! Looking for parts that fell off the car in comfort! Doctor Grande, you need to put together a stand-up routine, you've got the best straight faced humor! With something as serious as psychiatric analyses, and the crimes you cover perpetrated by the worst of human monsters, I'm so glad you found a great way to infuse humor into it. There has to be levity and humor, regardless of the facts of the case. If not, then we're all in trouble. Thank you for everything you do for all of us.
Stop it with the monsters.
People are born with their mental illness. We need universal health care
And he always says it with a deadpan expression!
Very well said, Jeff.
Thank you Dr. Grande ⚘
@@tangerinefizz11 He's kinda like the comic, Steven Wright. Perfect deadpan delivery.
Dr. Grande you are savage 😈
Holly was found on June 7 2022 her father’s birthday (June 7 1960)
Amazing 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Sad but interesting story! I well remember the "Jesus" movement. I was 20 in 1971, attended a few of their street meetings and "coffee houses" in the early 70's, and, very briefly, was friends with some of the members.
It was a "hippies meet Jesus" atmosphere, with love and acceptance for everyone, food and marijuana freely shared, flop pads for those in need - no rules, no questions asked, and good music.
There were some genuinely well-intentioned members, but unsurprisingly with the availability of drugs and a "we share everything/mi casa es su casa" philosophy, it also attracted a lot of scammers, free-loaders, criminals, societal misfits, mentally ill, and some just really strange people - too strange for me, even as a 20 y/o "cool" kid.
I think you're right - that the crime was committed by one rogue "member", and the others tried to cover for them, and "do the right thing" by returning the car ans finding a home for the child.
I can't imagine what the poor daughter is going through.
As always, I love your humor!!!
I think the grandfather is right that the boy died trying to defend his wife and daughter. They were probably solicited for membership, refused and were ambushed for their car and baby - here's a thought, they may have tried to SELL the baby; they may have done this many times since Sister Susan admitted she had given up a baby somewhere else before...
@@JCPJCPJCP you hadda be there
How did the “flop pads” work? Would you just ask anyone for sex and they would oblige?
I had some contacts with similar types as a young guy working in construction back in the late 70’s and early 80’s. They set off my weird alarms. I stepped back from them after I became suspicious about their leadership. Just bad vibes. I am willing to presume that many unsolved murder cases could be traced back to these religious groups.
I was briefly involved with them in the early 70's. The idealistic philosophy that everyone was loved, accepted, and that all was shared, no one left out, that it was "church," but free of the rules and hypocrisy of the traditional church, plus the marijuana and the great music - it definitely had a strong appeal.
It attracted not only the "pure in spirit" seeking a better, truer life, but also scammers, druggies, cons, and the rejects and misfits of society - many because of mental illness. It pretty quickly became too scary and weird for me.
@@nisselarson3227 'Separation of sexes' within pseudo-religious groups is usually just a rouse to break up pre-existing couples so that male leaders can have sex with as many women as possible.
MORE than likely!
I work for one of the companies involved in solving this case-so excited to see you covering the Clouse/Holly Marie case!! Thank you Dr Grande
If I were Holly, I would be heartsick to find out my parents were murdered. Whether you remember them or not, they are a link to self; they are the reason you exist. It would be very painful knowledge to have. My heart goes out to her.
It's a little hard to imagine how one would feel because did you actually grow up with and know your parents?
@@AaaaNinja No-I actually did not. I was adopted at four months and never knew my birth parents, but to find out later in life that they were brutally murdered would be difficult whether you “grew up with and knew them” or not. If you’re any kind of human with a heart, you would be sad to learn that anyone suffered a violent murder, let alone the people responsible for your existence. So for me, it is not hard to imagine. To challenge someone’s personal feelings based on assumptions you have about his or her circumstance is ignorant and discourteous.
Anna - 😘😓🙏👍💗💎🦄🐥🐦🐇🕊
understandable, of course. Plus she was kidnapped from them, so they both were obviously caring for her, she was loved by them.
Learning about this case has led me to the conclusion that a storyline from Chicago PD was probably based on this. On that episode there was a murder of a husband n wife that led them back to a similar case from 30+years before. Another couple was murdered n their 4 or 5 yr old son escaped. They attempted to find out the facts but didn't think the boy was telling them actual true events n thought he was dumped by neglectful/ abusive parents. They located one of the original child psychologist who said back then the boy didn't behave like an abused kid. Everyone else had written him off n DNA wasn't what it is today. They were able to solve the case with the help of the now fully grown husband n father. I won't go any further in case someone wants to watch it. If you're interested I'll give the episode info.
Please do a follow up video if more information comes to the surface. This is a mystery.
Thank you.
I'm naming my next band Sister Susan & The Laundromat Babies.
I think they returned the car to the family to make them think that they disappeared voluntarily and there is no need to look for them
A group of barefoot wandering religious oddballs. It doesn't sound like planning was in their skill set. The theory that some members went rogue, committed the murders, and the others cleaned up the mess, not even thinking about the possibility of getting caught, is the likeliest one.
"Their baby dropping skills were so renowned"- God Damn Dr. Grande!!!😂😂😂
His mind… I love it… Who else would go there like that but it’s so innocent yet still many levels of wrongness! 😳🤣
The best doctor on the TH-cam.. how is it that he can tell these whacked stories but still put me at such rest and ease?🤨.
He seems like such a gentleman too🌱
In the mid 1970’s my ex-husband was interested in joining commune group which I had no desire or intention of doing. We went to one such place and the first thing they did was take my infant daughter away from us. I couldn’t wait to get her back and left there as fast as I could that night. These groups like to separate couples and children. I assume Dean was trying to protect his wife and child when the couple was murdered. I’m so happy Holly was physically unharmed but emotional her will be traumatized by this news.
It's WAY more common than people think! They have members lure normal people near with all kinds of ruses.
Was this in Texas? And do you remember what the group was called? I wonder if it was the same group. I’m trying to support my theory as to what happened. If you could give me any info on this group, as well as disclose whether this group operated in AZ, CA, and/or TX, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
@@SG-nd9bfSorry. It was in Pennsylvania near Philadelphia and I don’t remember the name of the group. Good luck on your research.
Removing the children from parents was how the Manson family operated as well. No freaking way would I let that happen!
There's nothing more frustrating than when law enforcement shrugs and does nothing despite a family's firm belief that there's been foul play.
Right! It's legit one of those jobs where procrastination/laziness is inexcusable.
You’d think the least they could do is try to track down the women who dropped the baby off
And the family even notified the police of the "kind offer" to return the car for $$$ so the cops _knew_ they were coming yet did absolutely _NOTHING_ 1) BE there when the Jesus freaks arrived, or 2) perform any kind of verification that unrelated total strangers are telling family 2 missing adults supposedly wanted nothing to do with their families ever again...based on 3rd party hearsay & hearsay's not even allowed in _court_ generally so why would cops accept it from strangers? It's _beyond_ lazy & inept.
Not making excuses but im not sure how old you are? 40 years ago everything was really different. Imagine: no nationwide database, no internet, cell phones unheard of. Police work was not like today
My name is Sister Susan and I had nothing to do with this mystery 😃
Aha Sr Susan, so you say... suspicious name though. Probably why I go by "Sue".
Who else gets most of their topical news from Dr. Grande?
Me!
So sad for this young couple. Thank you for speculating over this case, Dr. Grande. We could use some good news, and Holly can now begin to process some answers and gain her real name.
Seriously... Their baby drop off skills were so good they even can do the laundromat oh my gosh you made an otherwise wicked day so much better thank you!
No body does dry and catty like dr. G🏆🥇
Maybe whoever killed her parents couldn’t bring themselves to kill an infant? Such a strange story.
Or maybe the parents where told to comply and no harm will come to that child's head and the first to go was the dad then mother followed shortly after
I laughed so loud at the idea of driving in utter comfort while searching for parts that had fallen off the AMC Concord
The leprosy of the Concord was second only to the flammability of the Ford Pinto.
Me too! Lol made my day! The way Dr.Grande just deadpans into the camera while saying the most hilarious stuff ... 🤣
Ahhhhh. Thanks for clarifying. I didn’t realized it was a joke. I remember hearing that and saying …uh??? And then shrug and then mentally saying…..next. As you can see I know next to nothing about cars.
@@redstarseed514 all you need to picture is pieces of it all over the highway and that should give you a giggle.
@@imaginempress3408 Now that I understand, it is rather silly. Thanks again
The communes were only against their member's having possessions ~ not the elders, who profited greatly. Selling a child? Who knows.
I hope they at least told her she was adopted, otherwise that is a lot to process. I'm adopted from within my family, I know my birth mother; growing up she was my aunt. I learned who she actually was when I was college, but I always knew I was adopted, I never had any issues with it. However, the identity of my birth father is a mystery. My "aunt" isn't sure who it is. So somewhere out there, a man has a brilliant daughter he doesn't know about. I've seen some of her previous boyfriends. I don't feel compelled to go looking for him, I feel like it would end in a story like this. At best, it would give me a new set of intoxicated extended relations to apologize for. Right? Internet, tell me I'm right to not ever look for this person.
I don’t think you’re wrong. I’m tempted to do the ancestry thing. I’m not adopted but I know my family has some skeletons and I’m not sure I want to know any more of them. I think it’s deeply personal and you have to be ready to handle the can of worms you’re opening. I’m not.
You could have some really wonderful, brilliant cousins. That would be cool.
Do what works for you. Do what makes you feel safe and whole.
You matter here, no one else. You do not need to know who fathered you - you are complete.
You might get a feeling of “finality” from knowing who they are, but most probably it is not going to be someone you would be proud of. They might even try to leech off of you if they see that you are better off than them, financially. So, tread with care. Maybe get to know them without them knowing who you are?
Older lady opinion here: I would suggest you either take the DNA test to know for sure or else make the firm decision to not think about it anymore and go on with your life. I had some doubts about my family, too, and took the DNA test and I'm glad I did. No more doubts. But I could have also decided to look ahead and not behind and live my life. (I'll add that I don't have any family medical history concerns that would lead me to take a DNA test, just ancestral ones.). So I advise that you choose - and be accepting of your choice whether or not to pursue it or leave it all behind. I wish you all the best. ❤
I thought this would finally be the video in which Dr. Grande says “Now moving to my analysis: what the fuck happened here?”
I realize that there is no way to prove this. Perhaps one of the group members was baby sitting baby Holly. Then, when her parents did not return they gave her away. Of course, we may never know.
That was my thought, too. Maybe they were sent to buy drugs and just never came back. Or, perhaps Dean objected to being separated from his wife and daughter at the last minute. Some of these groups didn’t react well to people wanting to leave the group, especially if they wanted their stuff back
No, the cult murdered the parents. People who are convinced they are morally righteous are capable of extreme acts of evil.
@@herbwitch5681 I was thinking something similar though I think it may have been the wife/mother who may have rejected to go with the group when realising the terms for it. She was pregnant already when they married which of course may have been for religious decency or similar, but by that I find it strange that she relatively short time afterwards would reject the basic material standard to support the infant with "Oh, but just do away with the baby and get a nomadic lifestyle with outher women". If Dran previously had been involved with the group but not comitted (after all he got married) for him it may have perhaps been a solution if they had difficulties making financial ends meet?
Hopefully there will be some answers to what happened. Even if not sufficient to put someone to trial due to the time passed but hopefully there are some people who may have left the sect who may know about whether the were abusive practices within the sect itself or ifthere was a tendency to be overly forgiving and looking the other way if individuals within the sect were abusive, the typical reasons to why people decide to leave?
I wonder how they identified Holly? Had she registered her DNA with a genealogy site?
Yes I'm pretty sure
I dont know. we will soon how all this came about. I bet she will do an interview kinda like jaycee dugard did
Or.... Maybe a confidential informant notified the police of her?...
Aren't there numerous situations where a person is expected to provide a birtcertificate and while legally good documents of an adoption may be sufficient I'd guess a grown up would wonder?
This is absolutely tragic, just two young people exploring and trying things. This must be traumatic for all involved.
She may have known that she was adopted and decided to use a genealogy test to learn about her heritage. At that time, adoption agencies sealed information about the child unless the parent(s) gave specific instructions to allow the child to have it if requested when the adoptee became an adult. Because of these practices, the adoptive parents may not have known anything about her origins, either, especially if they had been applicants for a child through an adoption agency.
Back then, mothers sometimes approached a church or a hospital to take a child that they could not care for. Even today in my state, a woman (the presumed mother) may surrender a child at a hospital or police agency, and the laws specifically forbid the hospital or police to ask anything about the presumed mother who is dropping off the child - even her name, the child's medical history, etc. The church probably turned the child over to the police or a hospital who arranged for the child welfare agency to arrange for the child's care until the child could be adopted properly. A court order would have been necessary to make the adoption legal and allow the child to get a social security number. Usually those procedures took a long time - years in some cases - to ensure that a thorough investigation to locate the child's family had been done. If something was as suspicious as this situation, child welfare would have been careful to rule out the possibility that the child had been kidnapped, to the extent that they were able.
The Houston article stated that Sister Susan and friends had a birth certificate. That almost surely had to be falsified, because birth certificates contain the names of the parents and location of the birth. A legitimate birth certificate would have made it relatively easy to find information about the parents and their families. My guess is that Sister Susan claimed that Holly was born in a home birth and that the father was not known. Otherwise, the child welfare agency would have attempted to find the father. Without any information and no reports about a missing child somewhere, the child welfare agency would have been unable to find information about relatives, so they probably did the best that they could at the time, and chose a family that was seeking to adopt and who had already gone through the proper procedures. Even without computers and the tools we have today, child welfare would have been wary about this scenario and would have done what they could to find relatives for placing the child.
Regarding the Jesus people or Jesus freaks - the ones you mention were certainly extreme. Most people in the "Jesus People" movement were youthful Pentecostal/charismatic types who wanted a more expressive and younger church than the staid old evangelical churches that they grew up in, especially since few of their parents' churches addressed the burning issues of the day, such as women's liberation, the war in VietNam, and civil rights. They were often found on college campuses, getting their degrees like everyone else, but going to prayer meetings, having Bible studies, and interpreting "church" in a less rigid way (with better music!). Many of those who called themselves Jesus people eventually formed or joined nondenominational churches that are now common everywhere. Only a minority of self-named "Jesus people" were these bizarre types. They usually formed a cult with a charismatic and dominating leader who enforced strict demands and was obsessed with the apocalypse. Eventually and thankfully, most of those groups collapsed, but they were very damaging while they existed.
The point here is that after her parents were found there must have been a missing child report.
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He specifically says that the police didn't identify the parents until this year. They had no idea they had a child. And the family had no idea the parents were dead, so they thought Holly was with her parents. No missing child report was issued.
The Jesus Movement? OK, this won't end well....
The cult members knew the couple were dead. Why would they have the baby and then abandon her if the parents were alive?
Driving the car all the way back seems cuckoo to me.
They probably drove the car back for the $1,000...
@@sarahspencer1010 they could have sold it
I hope you are doing well Dr G! Where are you getting all those great Hawaiian shirts? Take care. I hope you get a vacation
I'm also thrilled about those shirts, but I'd like to know what they m e a n. Probably nothing, but there could be some meaning.
@@crabofchaos7881 Don't think too hard about it. You might blow a gasket. 🤯
Why won't the police name the religious group? (National press reports they are withholding the name).
Christ’s Family. There u go
I got involved with "jesus people " ..I was born in 1963.
I was involved with drugs.
I never got scooped up, but I cane close and went through a gauntlet " of sorts that i know now to be emotional abuse.
I no longer believe in the Supernatural! And my life is better for it!
Btw. I was raised in Presbyterian church.
I raised my kids on history, science and curiosity.
The had None of the problems I had!
5 Grandchildren now! 🙂👍
They look like a nice couple, hope their case is solved eventually.
They took a baby on a hippy road trip, they were terrible parents.
@@mostlyholy6301 Hippie road trips were pretty common back then, I don't know if I'd say they were any more terrible parents then some poverty stricken family that goes to church and donates money they cant afford which is much more common and is still going strong.
@@mostlyholy6301 That’s really judgmental of you. How do you know they were “terrible parents?” They sound poor, that doesn’t make them terrible anything. Talk about blaming the victims. Churches are great at exploiting poor people.
@@Drelam EXACTLY! I have more trouble with the churches that exploit people and take their money than the people exploited.
There was a story recently of a guy who stole a car with a baby inside, he returned the baby safely but kept the car. Maybe the person or people who killed the couple drew the line at killing an infant.
Yeah, I thought that myself
Good analogy indeed; although car thieves would not usually beat two people to death just for a car; seems extreme. I would do more research into that cult.
Even though it is such a tragedy to learn her parents were murdered i hope it is of some comfort to her to know she wasn't given up because they didn't want her.
I'm curious to know how they found Holly. I wonder if she had done one of those home DNA test?
Jesus movement,my ass.I hope that the killer or the killers will be identified....
You did a good job with offering your different scenarios. It was interesting to listen to them. However, your statements on the Jesus movement is incorrect. This particular movement was a cult and not a part of the Christian Religon. Like most cults, they pick and choose various parts of another religon and make up their own religion. Your blog is quite offensive to people who are Christians and not apart of a cult such as these people. I would have given you a thumbs-up if it were not for this misinformation.
I don't think it's offensive. If people who belong to 12 step programs can make up their higher power to whoever they want it to be and take stuff from different religions than why can't cults? I remember all those cults of the old days and the deprogrammers. I had forgotten all about them until this video. I think religion can be very dangerous and destructive at times. That's why I always liked to come to church at the last minute, sit in the end pew and be the first to leave as soon as it's over without talking to anyone. It's safer that way and you don't get mixed up with any wacko people or doctrine.
The AMC comment was straight savage. And completely accurate.
There was a case where there was a serial killer John Robinson I believe but not completely sure where he had murdered a woman and took her baby and had his brother adopt her or something like that so this could be a similar situation.
Dr. Grande. Does the “religious” organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses fit the criteria of a cult?
"Riding in comfort while looking for parts that fell off your car!"
Another perfect zinger from Dr Grande!😅🤣
Beyond all the mysteries - many of which may never be fully solved - my first thought is for Holly. As you stated, Dr. Grande, she has a LOT to process and a long road ahead. My hope is that she connects with a good therapist and feels she can take it slowly and give it all the time she needs... which may be the rest of her life.
Weird story. Some pieces are missing, of course.
This was fantastic, Doctor. You had some great lines in this one. Thank you, I needed that after this week, lol.
The Dr.'s smooth dryness makes me crave a martini with two olives. I've never had that drink 🍸
It's hilarious when you slide in a few low key zingers without being disrespectful, thanks Dr. Grande, I never miss an episode.
Wow I’m so glad they found her! When they identified her parents I was afraid she had been killed too and her body deteriorated to nothing.
"Jesus Freaks". I'm old enough to remember this movement. Basically, christian hippies. Very loose, and diverse, group of movements. Most petered out, when they got bored. Some became more conventional, non-denominational congregations. At its height in the early to mid 1970s.
Remember, the 60s ended in early 1973. That's when the cease fire, in Vietnam, between the US & North Vietnam, took effect. South Vietnam had to look out for itself, and fell in 1975. This is significant, because US involvement in the Vietnam War, heavily influenced US culture. Especially among the youth. Late 60s music was mostly protest music. When the US pulled out, the culture shifted. And the great music of the 60s and early 70s turned into DISCO ☹
Not enough info for me to opine. However, the fact that Dean came to Texas to work a construction job, makes me think he would have no interest in joining a religious cult, none.
Another article stated that he was working construction in their home town, and the owner was expanding or had a project that needed laborers in Texas. So Dean already had a job lined up in Texas. Like someone said up thread, it's possible that some of the cult members were also hired and targeted Dean and his wife, maybe thinking that they had money since they drove a relatively new car. The murderers would have wanted to get rid of the car because it would have made them easier to find. I am guessing that Dean's mother thought that the offer to return the car for $1000 was shady. She may have accepted it because she suspected something was not right and that these people were involved, and was hoping that the police could intervene. (Meeting at a race track? That was a strange plan, too.) Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like the police were able to get more information out of those who delivered the car. I am also guessing that "Sr. Susan" was like a "handmaid" to a corrupt and demanding leader who was behind all these events.
@@janey1red ..ya, i know he already had the job lined up, but i don't picture these cult members as willing to work construction jobs. Don't think this mystery will ever be solved.
I feel like it was more likely they were murdered by this said religious group and then their daughter was abandoned. Can you imagine being the daughter all these years later she must have wondered who her parents were why they gave her up .All these questions and come to find out they were murdered thank you Dr. I have never heard of this case ❤️
Murdered by a religious group? Unheard of! They are far too righteous.
There was a man named John Robinson who killed a woman and then gave her baby to his brother to adopt. He killed the mother for his own sick reasons. And then figured he should give the baby to his brother since he knew he wanted a child. I think it’s possible these Jesus people could kill adults but couldn’t kill the baby. There are quite a few killers who kill an adult and just leave a baby unharmed.
Speak for yourself doc, my Gremlin is still on the road. 😉
The only way to deal with a Gremlin...
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I had an AMC Pacer. Nothing but trouble from the start. Glad your Gremlin is still running!
Dayum!
@Roz Alman 😁😁😁
Sounds like crappy police work isn't making things easy.
Seems to be a common theme, sadly
Remember the Pacer? 🚗
A chubby pinto
Remember the Gremlin? 😳
Yeah, it was kinda lowered! AMC.
the gremlins..could’ve sworn those are my neighbors kidsI🧟🧟🧟🪁
My mom had a yellow one. It was like riding in a fish bowl
My mom had a yellow one. It was like riding in a fish bowl
Only cacti can survive in the studio because the humor is so dry. 😊
I feel there is enough information and evidence to find the people who did this.
Dr. Grande has the best burns on the internet that only 5% of the people are intelligent enough to understand. Thank you Dr. Grande for bringing me a daily laugh, I look forward to your videos.
What is this about ?Are you part of the 95%? Your comment makes no sense,
His delivery is what gets me... He says it all with a straight face 😅
How does it feel to be part of the 5 percenters?😊
Thank you for your thoughtful speculations regarding this tragedy. I wonder if the group was covering for a rogue member- this sounds very consistent. The Jesus Movement had influence over all types of young people at the time. There was a similar group in the area that I grew up - they wore all of their clothes at the same time, the women walked behind the men, and they lived communally. They also stole from people’s gardens, not consistent with the Christian message, but a smaller detail than that whole false witness thing 🙄
Dr. Grande, could you write a rap that lasts for 3 minutes without repeating anything except the chorus?
Thank you.
OH!! AMC burn!! Wayne Campbell will be pissed!! Garth
Now I have to draw the line. The AMC Concorde was the successor to the Nash Rambler. I used to own one. They were more reliable than you think. One of the remnants of the Jesus Movement was a bumper sticker that proclaimed “I found it”. I doubt that meant the car parts.
It's astounding how you have managed to make this many quality videos, every day, this many days in a row. How is it possible?
"In a situation like this!!"...my head hurts trying to fathom this crime out. Maybe we need to get Columbo on the case
Trenchcoat , basket hound, invisible wife, never a pencil!
Thankfully, Holly is safe!
Good lord! Zooming in on the automobile style, color, age, bluebook value and expected malfunctions was beyond funny. Not pausing for a reaction was richly effective. You are going to hell Dr. Grande; I'll buy you a drink there.
Sounds like Holly dodged a counter culture bullet decades later.
What an incredible case! Both families must be ecstatic at this time. This case may bring some hope for families of missing children.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this, always appreciated Dr. Grande.❤️
Such a sad case, and your analysis of it was very interesting!
Love the "....which meant that the driver would enjoy exceptional comfort as they retraced their route along highway, looking for parts that had fallen of their car." 😅
What is truly bizzarr is that i am watching this video at the exact same time the local news broadcast this story! Bizzarr!
I like the way you organize your videos...Have you read about the famous case at Frank Lloyd Wright's house?...thank you doc.
You are the best Dr. Grande, love the pink shirt too❤
Police work in the 80s... terrible
"Like their baby dropping skills were so renowned that they could even pull off the laundrymat venue" 😆
Most people would not give up their child.
Anyone remember the AMC Gremlin? 🤣
"Their baby dropping skills were so renowned that they could even pull off the laundromat venue. "
Great, I'm at work and I snorted and laughed so loud several people are staring at me.
The fact the man was beaten to death suggests to me that this was some kind of ritual punishment, perhaps one that went to far. Getting your cultists to beat transgressors communally is a good way for a psychopathic cult leader to increase his hold over his thralls, it brings the community together in an act of "righteousness" and ofc it spreads the guilt among them all in case something goes wrong, for example if the victim of the beating dies.
The dad was handsome
Lol … Dr Grande you and my dad would get along well. Same sarcastic sense of humor spoken in a way that 50% will laugh & the other 50% will believe you are serious and like my dad, you probably won’t inform them that you are joking. If you play Poker then you are probably very good at it. If you don’t you should learn how to play
One member murdered a woman who he had a sexual relationship. He killed her for corrupting his values and he deemed her evil. It was a cold case that was resolved. They ride bikes and won't speak to you or try and spread religious doctrine but to live by example. They are to be abstinent and have no children. There are two in Yreka, CA. Very uneasy to be around. They just stare through you. I know they kill ex-members as fallen from grace.
For sure they white Americans???
Never seen one that wasn't. They tried to recruit me, cause I wasn't married or had children. I rode a bike and I practice the Christian faith. Freaks yes! Jesus no.
I would love to hear more of this group. Everyone knows some info..
I wonder how many babies the religious groups were fortunate to find. The members of the group sacrificed the young ambitious couple. The message-the couple cutting off relationships-they delivered to the parents shows they were the culprits, they knew the couple, had their daughter, their property and family contacts. The investigators must investigate them forthwith. Go get Sis. Susan!
Have you done a deep dive on cults? Would love a long video deep dive!!! Including a basic checklist those who think they're in a cult but not sure (they probably are lol) can use to check their situation.... Would be great to include how to deprogram. This used to be a thing in the eighties (referring to the professionals interviewed on the special "boys for sale" before it abruptly was pulled and after the one guy at least, was harassed to death at his college office!) this show is in my uploads years ago FYI... Great content as always! 💯😎👍💯
I think that he has because he called them a religious movement instead of a cult. The term New Religious Movements is used more today instead of cults. There is a book called Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin, but it doesn’t list everything, nor could it. An online directory of new religious movements doesn’t cover everything either.
They didn't have to much trouble, just financial struggles... Then they were found dead in the woods.... Welp guess it wasn't a murder over riches.... Also... We're all doomed with this mo. 😁👍💯
Weird preachy story.
Ah, I remember those good old Jesus freaks days
Humor is outstanding.
Thank you.
Peace 💕🇺🇲
Can we please get the Doc a 1hr HBO standup gig?
“Which means that you could could be in comfort while retracing your routes to find the parts that fell off”. 😂 😂
If only they drove a Gremlin, things might have been different.
C’mon Doc, gives us a run down on your opinion on using pot. We know you have to have a stance on it with your vast experience in these areas inquiring minds Want To Know! With your wit and Unique approach to certain points in your evals, Im sure I’m not alone in wanting an episode dedicated to Vitamin “C”
I still hope they find the parents alive !!! They found the baby so there is still some hope...
I would love to listen to you break down the investigation into the death of Lauren Agee. I know the case is a popular one amongst the true crime TH-cam community but nobody has your secret ingredient. In any case I’m looking forward to any upcoming videos you’ve got for us.keep up the great work.
I love how it never does matter if a case has been done to death bc of his unique insight. 👍
americans have a lot to answer for when it comes to this madness
Your exculpatory logic makes no sense. The murderer(s) might easily have killed the parents for reasons unrelated to the child and not wanted to kill her even though they didn’t want to keep her either. And dropping off both the baby and the car might have been done by different people to those who committed the murders. All of them could still be from the same cult, and the non-murdering ones might have been told lies about the couple’s whereabouts. So evidence in favour of certain cult members being innocent is not evidence in favour of the cult in general being uninvolved.
Dr I don’t have to enjoy your videos I like 👍 it b4 I start watching.
I'm going with option #3 - someone in the Jesus group went rogue or had a bad trip or something like that and the rest of the group cleaned it up the best that they thought they could. It doesn't sound like the Jesus group folks were likely to be the sharpest pencils in the box, if you get what I mean.
Truly amazed at how quickly you get these videos out! This information is BRAND NEW!
Gives hope to other families who miss their loved ones.
Dr Grande cracks me up with his car parts scenario! ☺️
What a weird case!!!! This could be an alien humanoid episode for sure!!!!!!