@@djdrastic1 And and and, Since we can't win a race anymore. Lets try again to strip Max from his 1st Championship just to make us feel like we are on top again :P ( Incoming Ham fan boys )
Just goes to show the aero efficiency of that Redbull although they were running a shorter wing than Ferrari, it was bigger than Alpine and they were still only 4 kmh off, amazing.
@@nicholasbradshawunfortunately the teams know that too, and they can't do anything about it (except cry and force all teams to raise floor edge by 15mm)
@@nicholasbradshaw @Nicholas Bradshaw Ferrari probably could've but they always had to run a bit of extra wing because their car was quite hard on its tyres. Keep in mind that RBR never pushed their engines hard during 2022. Ferrari did during the first half of the season and they were still slower. RB were super fast on the straights while being extremely kind on its tyres.As a whole package the RBR was just unbeatable. That car was a masterpiece. Top speed is not everything.Teams have to find the best compromise between downforce and top speed.
Baku doesn't have a balance, at least from my perspective. The straights (plural) are obscenely long, and the corners in the middle that would have seen downforce oriented setups reign supreme are either: a) too gentle to slow down the top speed cars, b) too slow for wing setup differences to matter, or c) so tight you'd need to start the race with half a car to squeeze in. (I'm not an expert. I just know a few things about motorsports from my time playing "pretend racecar driver" on the internet.)
Not aero efficiency. The suspension geometry is the trick. There car has a clever mechanical suspension which allows them to run lower without porposing that's why the Red bull has the most amount of sparks
Yeah. Juzh123 showed Lewis's qualifying lap and Lewis was not even 300 goin through 130R. At that point i think everyone understood that Mercedes concept is very draggy.
the top 5 is too close for Alpine I can't see them near reb ferrari aston merc or Mclaren so being 6 th would already be an achievement but I guess sauber the willies and haas took that space already
The 2022 Alpine was a half-decent car. I honestly thought that with a bit more time they'd sort the crappy reliability out; I was convinced that Alonso had lost out on a decent seat after the dust from the Piastri contract saga had settled, since he jumped that ship before the matter got resolved. Turns out his move to Aston Martin was an inspired one.
Yeah, I second that. People say that McLaren lost 4th to Alpine because of DR, but I disagree. The McLaren was quite slow by the end of the season and in the races I always saw the Alpines having a pace advantage over the McLarens.
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This was like the inverse of what happened at Jedda with Piastri not having a big enough gain with drs to get the overtake done on Hamilton becuase Merc ran monza spec wing
To be fair to Mike, he had nothing to do with the car as Technical Director. When James Allison was still Technical Director in 2019 he came on Beyond the Grid and talked about how he doesn’t actually have any role as a car designer in that position, his job is just to manage people and resource.
Fun fact, the Alpine was quickest at Baku 2023 free practice. Wouldn't have been interesting if Ocon didn't encounter a safety car incident because he had to drive as long as possible with the Hard compound, before changing to Soft before the last lap and the incident with the FIA photographers standing on pits.
It does, Lewis was always gaining time through the corner exit but he starts to bleed time after just a few meters of straight. That Alpine just goes hard while the Merc is busy bouncing itself into the shadow realm.
@@ALPHABYTE64 I think they just have a very aerodynamically efficient car, I don't see how they can make their car quicker in a straight line without getting caught. ferrari's mega engine got banned and the fia learned to look out for that and they cant modify their engine to make it more powerful
I'm not so sure if the top speed on the straights during qualifying is a good indicator for how slippery the rear wing is, since all those top speeds were achieved with the rear wing open in a DRS zone.
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Should be way better this year.Merc is not RB level quick on the straights but it is actually one of the quicker cars on the straights. They just don't seem to gain much when the DRS gets actuated.
Their biggest issue in 2022 was aerodynamic drag, especially from the wings because they had to neuter the floor to stop the porpoising. This year they are not bad on the straights but they lack downforce, which is an even worse problem. And this stems from how difficult the setup window is for this car concept. At certain tracks they have to run very aggressive wing camber to be somewhat competitive in the corners, but at the cost of top speed. Then if they trim the wings they have a competitive top speed but they suck ass in the corners.
That would be why they seek the right "balance" in the car. It isn't about top speed only, or cornering speed only. It is about the balance between the two, to minimize the overall lap time.
Every single car is too fast for Hamilton, unless he is ahead of them. If you took him seriously you would think that he drives the worst car in the field, and that it has no tires.
bro look at the porpoising... no wonder they are so slow Alpine: Jiggle Jiggle RB: Flat as a lake Ferrari: Jiggle Jiggle Merc: I'M MOVING UP AND DOWN, SIDE TO SIDE, LIKE A ROLLER COASTER
im surprised hamilton fans are not screaming how alpine is cheating and how their engine is too overpowered.....oh wait it's not redbull on top nevermind
you misinterpreting the situation. Mercedes was drastically slower than the alpine cause of the slower car. Ferrari 2019 would completely destroy the Mercedes (who was the best car) which left Ferrari suspicious including Red bull which made the first complaint after spa 2019.
@@idontspeakspanish By the way in term of qualifying duel 1vs1 Mercedes W10 EQ Power+ is the second fastest car in history behind the W11. So dominating such a car as if it was a bottom grid journeyman raises questions. ~Also the qualifying duel between W10 and SF90 is 10-10 so they should both be ranked 2nd. But when you put each car in duel against other top 10 cars (W11, W09, RB16, RB15, SF71H, MCL35, RP20, SF1000), the W10 scores higher than the SF90 in those qualifying duels against a same opponent. Reason why i rank W10 as 2nd fastest car in history and the SF90 3rd.~
Vettel stayed within 2 seconds of Hamilton for most of the race. I'm sorry but Hamilton won that race because he was able to keep Vettel behind. His car was maybe better but only slightly.
I mean.. if DRS o ly gives you 12 to 15 kph advantage. And a couple kph in slipstream.. while the car ahead is a standard 16 kph faster than you.. gon be pretty hard to pass that
Dude drove the fastest car for 8-10 years straight. Whines about Redbull 1/4 into the season when in reality the Redbulls pace is way lower than the pace of Hamiltons car he drove
He was talking about the top speed(with DRS) difference between the RBR and the rest. Its unprecedented. When it comes to overall pace, the 2014 and 2016 Mercs had more margin over the rest of the grid.That is a fact.
Such a big difference cannot just be related to the setup though. The 2022 Ferrari was very draggy but it still reached 330 km/h without toe or DRS. Mercedes had a pure power deficit. And that deficit still persists today as it's believed that Mercedes has around 15-20 hp less than Ferrari and Honda.
If they had a power deficit they would have horrible acceleration off the line, but they don't, even though their 2022-23 cars are heavier relative to the competition. Their problems lie in their car's aerodynamics, not their PU, which is probably still the best on the grid.
it is really cool to see the 2023 Alpine out gun a mercedes with TOW and DRS on this track specific high speed straight. lulu Hamilton is just making a fool of himself here
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look also on RPM, Mercedes hat much shorter gear ratios
You should show how Ferrari was pulling away. Not the words of Hamilton. They are not so important.
That Merc was porpoising so violently.
absolute nightmare
Ham took so much time getting out of the cockpit at the end of the race and then told everyone how incredibly bad his backache was.
Please FIA, nerf the other cars because our car sucks.
@@djdrastic1 And and and, Since we can't win a race anymore. Lets try again to strip Max from his 1st Championship just to make us feel like we are on top again :P ( Incoming Ham fan boys )
@@bryanlewis3913 Feels like only yesterday they proclaimed about the 'undisputed goat' the following
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"He could win in a Williams" 😂😂😂
Just goes to show the aero efficiency of that Redbull although they were running a shorter wing than Ferrari, it was bigger than Alpine and they were still only 4 kmh off, amazing.
The other cars in 2022 could definitely get closer to Red Bull's speed if they weren't wasting energy bouncing themselves to bits.
@@nicholasbradshawunfortunately the teams know that too, and they can't do anything about it (except cry and force all teams to raise floor edge by 15mm)
@@nicholasbradshaw @Nicholas Bradshaw Ferrari probably could've but they always had to run a bit of extra wing because their car was quite hard on its tyres. Keep in mind that RBR never pushed their engines hard during 2022. Ferrari did during the first half of the season and they were still slower.
RB were super fast on the straights while being extremely kind on its tyres.As a whole package the RBR was just unbeatable. That car was a masterpiece.
Top speed is not everything.Teams have to find the best compromise between downforce and top speed.
Baku doesn't have a balance, at least from my perspective. The straights (plural) are obscenely long, and the corners in the middle that would have seen downforce oriented setups reign supreme are either:
a) too gentle to slow down the top speed cars,
b) too slow for wing setup differences to matter, or
c) so tight you'd need to start the race with half a car to squeeze in.
(I'm not an expert. I just know a few things about motorsports from my time playing "pretend racecar driver" on the internet.)
Not aero efficiency. The suspension geometry is the trick. There car has a clever mechanical suspension which allows them to run lower without porposing that's why the Red bull has the most amount of sparks
Ahh yes the legendary W13, codename "Unsolicited Vibrator".
Bit harsh innit
@@alessandroledda6480 yes but it's the honest truth. and one where I wish W13 is made for the W series. ; P
I'm sure hammy boi loved it all 😂😂
You mean the spine crusher
@@n.n9056 you mean the once and only lumbar spondylosis incuder? why yes indeed.
I think this also happened in suzuka 2022 where hamilton losing out in straight against alpine despite he has better exit toward the straight
Just shows that this cars are way too reliant on DRS. We need more nimble and agile cars instead of these School busses
It's also because Ocon is known to be one of the best on a wet circuit !
@@MrSafari1998ocon destroyed Alonso in points
Yeah. Juzh123 showed Lewis's qualifying lap and Lewis was not even 300 goin through 130R. At that point i think everyone understood that Mercedes concept is very draggy.
@@miszehajxi1622 and?
Can’t imagine the physical pain Hamilton and Russell endured that weekend
Self inflicted Mercedes should have looked after the safety of the drivers😂
@@skiran6316 Who asked?
@@Spyker8921 Toto with his fking agenda 😂 he has it printed go ask him
@@skiran6316 Who asked?
@@skiran6316 thx for the reply mate(i had asked, you bozos)
Back when Alpine were a top 5 team and one of the most loved
the top 5 is too close for Alpine
I can't see them near reb ferrari aston merc or Mclaren
so being 6 th would already be an achievement but I guess sauber the willies and haas took that space already
@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme yeah
back when alpine had decent engineers, livery and car
Now they're a yoke
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The porpoising killed me
It also killed his back 😅
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look also on RPM, Mercedes hat much shorter gear ratios
The 2022 Alpine was a half-decent car.
I honestly thought that with a bit more time they'd sort the crappy reliability out; I was convinced that Alonso had lost out on a decent seat after the dust from the Piastri contract saga had settled, since he jumped that ship before the matter got resolved.
Turns out his move to Aston Martin was an inspired one.
Yeah, I second that. People say that McLaren lost 4th to Alpine because of DR, but I disagree. The McLaren was quite slow by the end of the season and in the races I always saw the Alpines having a pace advantage over the McLarens.
@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 Look at Lando s points and DR Points, and u can say that DR really lost it
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This was like the inverse of what happened at Jedda with Piastri not having a big enough gain with drs to get the overtake done on Hamilton becuase Merc ran monza spec wing
Amazing vid as always. You need to make more and longer videos, I enjoy them a lot. Keep up brother.
Mike Elliott, you tried, buddy
Mike Elliott disasterclass 🔥🔥
He should have sticked with Engines lol. He is not a good aero guy.
To be fair to Mike, he had nothing to do with the car as Technical Director. When James Allison was still Technical Director in 2019 he came on Beyond the Grid and talked about how he doesn’t actually have any role as a car designer in that position, his job is just to manage people and resource.
@@totalmadnesman you’re thinking of Andy Cowell, Elliot was literally Head of Aero lol, that’s his focus
That he did, He failed the mission successfully.
Things you won't here in Formula 1 2024 for $2000, Alex.
This is the most aero efficient Formula 1 channel on youtube. Mega job you are doing man.
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Kudos to Ocon and Fernando for driving a lower drag car through those corners.
In Baku, Hamilton was also hard to drive in a straight line.
Just realized what you said
Ayo💀
I mean his car is bouncing like crazy
Mark Webber scream
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You can really hear the bouncy bad times the merc was going through
W13 before being fixed was wild
Fun fact, the Alpine was quickest at Baku 2023 free practice. Wouldn't have been interesting if Ocon didn't encounter a safety car incident because he had to drive as long as possible with the Hard compound, before changing to Soft before the last lap and the incident with the FIA photographers standing on pits.
Kinda like 2014-2016 merc to the rest of the field, but they can keep the high downforce as well lol
OP analysis. Love it.dont u think the last corner exit speeds matter for the Top Speed on the Straights?
It does, Lewis was always gaining time through the corner exit but he starts to bleed time after just a few meters of straight.
That Alpine just goes hard while the Merc is busy bouncing itself into the shadow realm.
It certainly does, but it's not the end-all, be-all
It does but on a straight as long as Baku's the impact is minimal after a few hundred meters
The Merc sounds like the blades that has gone one a electric shaver.
Ah. Merch porpoising good to see back again
Redbull running that big of a rear wing and still managing to go super fast down the straights💀
Yeah, I smell cheating.
@@heavensent7183 i mean they cheated in 2021 when they overspent
@@OscarZheng50that is true
@@ALPHABYTE64 I think they just have a very aerodynamically efficient car, I don't see how they can make their car quicker in a straight line without getting caught. ferrari's mega engine got banned and the fia learned to look out for that and they cant modify their engine to make it more powerful
At what distance do we consider the tailing car to be benefiting from tow/slip stream?
Would love to see last year's Alpine vs the RB19 at Jeddah
I'm not so sure if the top speed on the straights during qualifying is a good indicator for how slippery the rear wing is, since all those top speeds were achieved with the rear wing open in a DRS zone.
Only legends realise that this is old video after watching entire video
Dude, I love your channel, so please don't keep using titles that make it look like someone said something they never said. Come on.
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Insane to think he can drive a jumping jack for 2 hours straight
No wonder he had a backache at the end of the race, jeez look at that car😲
It all depends on the exits on the last few turns
Love your analysis' mate! You always know the right telemetry to show and highlight
Wdym all telemetry is always there 💀
But Alpine also lost the grip in cornering? As we saw in Q and race.
will be interesting to see how is it in 2023
Should be way better this year.Merc is not RB level quick on the straights but it is actually one of the quicker cars on the straights.
They just don't seem to gain much when the DRS gets actuated.
Give me vibe of 2009 Turkish gp: "It’s embarrassing! I can’t even keep up with the fricking Renault in front."
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interesting how merc’s rpm was 1100 more than alpine’s despite only going 5kph faster
Their biggest issue in 2022 was aerodynamic drag, especially from the wings because they had to neuter the floor to stop the porpoising. This year they are not bad on the straights but they lack downforce, which is an even worse problem. And this stems from how difficult the setup window is for this car concept. At certain tracks they have to run very aggressive wing camber to be somewhat competitive in the corners, but at the cost of top speed. Then if they trim the wings they have a competitive top speed but they suck ass in the corners.
it would be nice if you wrote in the title and/description, which year this video is referring to
gotta love it when people called this a skill issue. I guess Hamilton should've just stepped on the gas harder LOL
That proposing sounds brutal
Imagine that porpoising scenario. I really have to give it to Hamilton and Russel to endure it.
Merc : Watch me bounce !
the Mercedes is shit on the straights regardless of what ocon and his team was doing with the car
I immediately noticed RBR was the only one not porpoising. The other 3 did, with the mercs as the worst..
That would be why they seek the right "balance" in the car. It isn't about top speed only, or cornering speed only. It is about the balance between the two, to minimize the overall lap time.
Perhaps having a slightly worse lap time is better if it makes it harder for people to overtake you.
No Lewis, its just your Merc going slower.
More like both
Every single car is too fast for Hamilton, unless he is ahead of them. If you took him seriously you would think that he drives the worst car in the field, and that it has no tires.
0:50 That porpoising man
That is painful... just like the porpoising of that merc.
*Is it the differential gearing or is that standard across all cars?
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there is a second one piston engine under that merc
Well he might said this again
Lewis and george getting concussions during each race lol
welcome to 2024, alpine is really fast xD
Nah that 2019 Ferrari was a different animal. Remember it had like a 30kph advantage over Mercedes in Spa
bro look at the porpoising...
no wonder they are so slow
Alpine: Jiggle Jiggle
RB: Flat as a lake
Ferrari: Jiggle Jiggle
Merc: I'M MOVING UP AND DOWN, SIDE TO SIDE, LIKE A ROLLER COASTER
that Alpine was flying
This is F1 excitement in the 2020s.
He doesn’t need amg anymore. A new team/challenge would be beneficial.
“Change ya fuckin caaaaar”
Merci !
Remember when cars didn’t bounce on straights? Good old days.
if this is the case why dont the other teams just run less wing? clearly most of the lap time is determined by the straights
Because they will have terrible performance in the sections without straights.
Mercedes: Phone shakes violently
im surprised hamilton fans are not screaming how alpine is cheating and how their engine is too overpowered.....oh wait it's not redbull on top nevermind
You have basically described Red Bull fans from 2014-2021. Ironic.
you misinterpreting the situation. Mercedes was drastically slower than the alpine cause of the slower car. Ferrari 2019 would completely destroy the Mercedes (who was the best car) which left Ferrari suspicious including Red bull which made the first complaint after spa 2019.
Stop talking without context
@@idontspeakspanish By the way in term of qualifying duel 1vs1 Mercedes W10 EQ Power+ is the second fastest car in history behind the W11.
So dominating such a car as if it was a bottom grid journeyman raises questions.
~Also the qualifying duel between W10 and SF90 is 10-10 so they should both be ranked 2nd. But when you put each car in duel against other top 10 cars (W11, W09, RB16, RB15, SF71H, MCL35, RP20, SF1000), the W10 scores higher than the SF90 in those qualifying duels against a same opponent.
Reason why i rank W10 as 2nd fastest car in history and the SF90 3rd.~
@@alexlacl8730 i mean what context do you need?
W channel
This assumes both riders were driving perfectly at that point.
red bull rb19 will be beast on straight in Baku
That porpoises OH MA GAAH
Hamilton says that about every car these days.
Man the Merc sounds like the first time I tried to lower a Honda civic 😂😂😂
I see more teams trying a Monza setup this weekend at Baku.
02:44 R.I.P Headphone users
Silver Arrow more like Silver Vibrator
Vettel on Hamilton, Kemmel straight 2017
Vettel stayed within 2 seconds of Hamilton for most of the race. I'm sorry but Hamilton won that race because he was able to keep Vettel behind. His car was maybe better but only slightly.
I mean.. if DRS o ly gives you 12 to 15 kph advantage. And a couple kph in slipstream.. while the car ahead is a standard 16 kph faster than you.. gon be pretty hard to pass that
Last year's footage.
Meanwhile the rb hits easy 345+ lol
Only legends will understand that he is asking to check engine irregularities with Renault like Ferrari in 2019
still managed to get 17th and 19th lol
Dude drove the fastest car for 8-10 years straight. Whines about Redbull 1/4 into the season when in reality the Redbulls pace is way lower than the pace of Hamiltons car he drove
He was talking about the top speed(with DRS) difference between the RBR and the rest. Its unprecedented.
When it comes to overall pace, the 2014 and 2016 Mercs had more margin over the rest of the grid.That is a fact.
He didn't really have the fastest car in 2017, 2018 or 2021.
more like monza 2011 against schumacher i would say
what is tow? new to f1
Such a big difference cannot just be related to the setup though. The 2022 Ferrari was very draggy but it still reached 330 km/h without toe or DRS. Mercedes had a pure power deficit. And that deficit still persists today as it's believed that Mercedes has around 15-20 hp less than Ferrari and Honda.
I doubt is power the car looks like a pig
The Ferrari reached 333kmh in Q3 with DRS.
If they had a power deficit they would have horrible acceleration off the line, but they don't, even though their 2022-23 cars are heavier relative to the competition.
Their problems lie in their car's aerodynamics, not their PU, which is probably still the best on the grid.
@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 No bro, the Mercedes PU is definetely not the best
Mercedes had shorter gears
It's like mercedes and ferrari in 2017.
My spine hurts watching the Merc bouncing
it is really cool to see the 2023 Alpine out gun a mercedes with TOW and DRS on this track specific high speed straight. lulu Hamilton is just making a fool of himself here
I thought rb has more drs
Fast forward to 2024 and Alpine is the slowest.