Honestly, your format for these unreleased ships is EXACTLY the type of content I love to see in SC. I get super excited about upcoming ships, and this helps me be patient for them haha. I just bought the Vulcan at IAE, because support gameplay is definitely my style. If you did a video on that ship, that would be pretty awesome 😊
The Orion has been my White Whale for idk how long. I remember when it was first showcased, and basically have been telling myself ever since that once the ship was available to play, i would finally get seriously into SC and get a group together
Defending the ship is going to be a huge part of it. Good thought. Always imagined this beast being in high security space, unless it's funding/fueling a large fleet escort.
Yo dude I've been watching your vids since I first started playing the game 2 years ago. I mostly just watched your ship tours, but it's nice to see you're still posting a year later when I just picked up the game again. Keep going bro!
It's going to be quite the experience, being able to mine such massive objects. I'd love to see that sooner rather than later. Thanks for the great video, Farrister!
For Player Crew, I would expect 2 - 6 people, for effective play, more if offering/planning some surface side ROC mining. Once again, great video of what is essentially an Org Ship.
Same here. I also dont like that the Orion doesnt operate planetside. I dont see myself mining asteroids exclusively. The Arrastra seems to be more versatile
i feel this ship is going to possibly increase by yet another 100-200m roughly - and get a MASSIVE overhaul since the Arrastra was released. There are a ton more things that have to be developed for this ship to become feasible. But i think its going to become more of a platform like the Rorqual in Eve online. Its size is going to require some ridiculous upkeep but i do feel the size of this ship is going to get upgunned, up armored and possibly even get a larger hangar for ease of transfer for mined goods to planet bases, and a med bay. Since she is an older ship this thing i feel is going to get far bigger than what we currently have info on since we havent heard anything really on it since 2017 and a lot in game has changed since then. I look forwards to seeing what comes with this behemoth of a ship. Given the very little we actually know on the ship it very well could come back with a total redesign and be the size of a Javelin for all we know haha. Time will tell.
It's probably very safe to assume that the components listed on the website are outdated by now since CIG is in the process of refactoring component sizing and balancing due to the upcomming resource managment system. Thats why the more recently released ships tend to have smaller but multiple shieldgenerators for example compared to older ones with a single bigger one.
every ship is supposed to be soloable in the game once AI crew gets implemented. Protecting that thing will be another story though even though it will probably be pretty tanky.
I guess I’m curious to see if it will be able to om nom nom on all asteroids or just the ones marked as mineable. Like can I just go to the Yela belt, pick a direction, set autopilot to like 7m/s and just move all asteroids in my way to the grinder? Or are we still going to be stuck having 1 asteroid per 10,000 being good for anything other than blowing up on
Not a player here so I don't know if such feature is already in the game or not, but I think that for such ships they should implement some kind of shared ownership, because something like the Orion is basically a mobile HQ, apparently needs a crew to function and is very costly so in my opinion it would come natural for interested people to acquire it by pooling their resources rather but here is where I see a potential problem: every player involved payed a share to buy the ship but in game terms only one of them will be its owner.
wounder if orion could be used as combat asset, if it can move asteroids, you could fortifie area for defensive position if you have assets or plan to build "mini space base/station" if they add something like that in game.
I got it when it was at it's cheapest a million years ago and now it seems like terrible value to get rid of it even though I'm a solo player. It's the only big ship I have. At this point I'm wondering if I could just park it somewhere safe or hidden in space and leave it there as my own personal space station it's so big. 😐
The Orion is my most anticipated ship. A big profit maker, relaxing cooperative profession and RSI style is a great combination. I just hope CIG will give the Orion some sort of defensive properties rather than the planned one turret. No one would design a ship this big without some sort of countermeasures when the environment involves a fair chance of hostile encounters. I'm not asking to go toe to toe with capitals, just enough to drive off the odd lone fighter and shoot down torpedoes.
@@Farrister Ahh yes. The will of the unwashed masses. Yeah that's a good reason. You have a few points in there where it would have been good to work in the concept imagery though.
Honestly seems pretty niche. Unless there's a lot of BIG profitable rocks in space, it sounds overkill. Can't land, can't divide itself to cover a larger asteroid area... I don't know, we'll see.
Although mining is an enjoyable profession in Star Citizen that I like to do, I have no intentions of ever owning such a huge platform like an Orion. If it were up to me to name one though, it's absolutely going to be some variation of USG Ishimura.
the idris is 240 the Orions is about 380 cause its 100 meters smaller then the javelin and thats 480 meters, they have said now if its capital it will have capital parts.
Cargo size isnt the same as the reinery storage is.. Orion ore storage ( on those spinning parts ) is around 16400 scu.. its allmost 1 to 1 with Hull D...
My luckiest buy at it's introductory price. Still hard to believe how huge it is. I asked chat GPT and it's longer ethan the Eiffel tower and Chrysler Building are tall.
If either the Arrastra or Orion were released, I think I would be in danger of buying my Christmas gift too early. Having said that, it's not really a possibility as far as I can see.
Realistically, the minimum crew would be around 4 to pilot and laser operators, 2-4 for the drone bay operators, and another 2-4 for the Refinery (if it needs to be actively manned) and engineers to run around the dam thing incase things break. Which be the time this comes out, the engineering gameplay will be in full effect.
CIG only really designed each job around 1 person (maybe 2 for the drone operators) and once life support comes online with the resource managment system your crew will be hard capped at 5 anyway. Refining really will just be sitting at a panel adjusting sliders and some minigame on there from what we have heard so about the Expanse, so having a second person or more wouldn't do anything. Engineering will also be optional for the most part if you maintain the ship properly at a station/repairdock outside combat unless you want to optimize/overclock equipment.
@@BizzMRK yeah one more thing to take into consideration is where each of these stations are located at. We got REALLY FUCKIN lucky with the Arrastra where the lasers and pilots seats are all in the same area. But in the Orion, I have a feelin that won’t be the case. I hope I’m wrong but no one knows. The refinery is 100% going to be in the back that’s not up debate. So maybe the refinery crew will also be the main engineering crew as well. But either way, there going to be ALOT of multitasking that’s going to be taking place. But yeah… I can see having a crew of 5/6 and you’ll be alright but honestly… most of these “minimum crew” conversations is going to have to wait until we know where all of these stations are going to be located
Very informative, actually I think I'm considering getting the Arrastra, not really a miner but the prospect of going into the profession with a team sounds appealing to me. It must be said tho, I think CIG should really consider giving CAPITAL ships in the universe the ability to spawn players who are members of an Organization as well as being able to spawn a ship inside the CAPITAL ship if there are pads for it, making CAPITAL ships like the LIBERATOR and the KRAKEN that have multiple SHIP PADS and BEDS, a really valuable ORG ship when its out flying in the PU. By having this ability a CAPITAL ship becomes an ORG ship when its out in the persistent universe allowing ORG PLAYERS the ability to join their org team mates easily and allows for better logistical control when grouping up and doing missions that require multiple people to accomplish, this ability alone would really make it much easier to join team mates and makes grouping up with people to do missions and makes a CAPITAL ship VERY VALUABLE when its out in the persistent universe as it becomes a spawn point for org members.
That's fair feedback, I was experimenting with showing some gameplay in the background for this one, based on feedback from previous videos! But good to know :)
The only way I can listen to you is thanks to the x2 button on the bottom right corner. Otherwise your slow paced commentary is making me fall asleep. I understand you want to push the video to 10 minutes but doing it in the most obnoxious way possible shouldn't be the way, I suggest you to perhaps prepare some adittional comments about similar ships or the role itself of the ship to add more content to the video. You can add some cinematic intros, perhaps a 'what I think about this ship' kind of ending ... Of course this is just a suggestion, you do good videos even though I have to watch them at 2x speed
Watching at x2 speed is fine, if that works for you! This is my talking speed, I really don't concern myself with the length of these videos. If you see my gameplay videos, I often speed up the footage to 12x speed, to make them more digestible! But if I talk much faster I trip over my words, so this is just me I guess :(
Ok i get people want smaller Crew But Orion is a size of Godzilla , Humans are Tiny i mean Real Tiny , to Run Cap Ships will Require Minimum of 7 not 2 , you have 2 once Star Citizen has let say 10 star Systems its a High Possibility you will lose Cap ships fast . you can use That new word Copium as much as you want but to Run a real Mining Operation at that Scale in a safe way you will need a minimum Fleet fighters or bigger to also Protect the Orion . There is no way 2 people can run a Orion not by a long Shot
What would the 7 people do though, that's the question? Yes, you might want extras outside of this ship for a successful operation, but this video was more about the crew requirements for the Orion in itself...
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Just a note that as of the latest ISC covering the Arrastra, it is indeed confirmed that the Orion cannot land planetside!
It can, once xD
Going down is easy...
30 tractor beam tugs says it'll take off too lol
Where there are SRVs, there is a way@@stephenadkins616
I will Land the Orion like my full Hull C. CIG can not stop me
Honestly, your format for these unreleased ships is EXACTLY the type of content I love to see in SC. I get super excited about upcoming ships, and this helps me be patient for them haha. I just bought the Vulcan at IAE, because support gameplay is definitely my style. If you did a video on that ship, that would be pretty awesome 😊
I'm pretty stoked for the Vulcan too, but the bigger ships suit this format a bit better I think. Maybe I will give it a try and see how it goes!
Love the Drydock videos and the details of development of the ships. Can't wait to see more.
More to follow!
The Orion has been my White Whale for idk how long. I remember when it was first showcased, and basically have been telling myself ever since that once the ship was available to play, i would finally get seriously into SC and get a group together
yeah, im waiting for it. regret not getting the early purchase. i bet it will cost a billion credits to buy in game
Nice!! I like how you used the new backgrounds! Drydocks is perfect now.
Thanks!
Defending the ship is going to be a huge part of it. Good thought. Always imagined this beast being in high security space, unless it's funding/fueling a large fleet escort.
Yeah, I think so!
Yo dude I've been watching your vids since I first started playing the game 2 years ago. I mostly just watched your ship tours, but it's nice to see you're still posting a year later when I just picked up the game again. Keep going bro!
That's awesome, thank you :)
YES THIS IS THE PERFECT VIDEO THANK YOU! Exactly what I wanted to see!
Glad you enjoyed!
Love the drydock series
Fyi, the 384 scu is for personal cargo storage.
Orions ore storage is currently estimated by CIG at around 16,200 scu.
This ^
Yup, I also expect it will be considerably higher, the number you gave doesn't surprise me.
It's going to be quite the experience, being able to mine such massive objects. I'd love to see that sooner rather than later. Thanks for the great video, Farrister!
As with everything else, me too! Cheers Snaggletoof
For Player Crew, I would expect 2 - 6 people, for effective play, more if offering/planning some surface side ROC mining. Once again, great video of what is essentially an Org Ship.
I don't know how planetside friendly the Orion would be - seems all confirmed now it's a space-based beastie!
Oo what are you working on next? I'd like to see some already in-game ships in these videos please 😊
Oh really? I had just been focusing on the concept ships!
Do the cargo spindles spin? I think that would make the ship look really cool
vargo area is in the shipp hull.. those spinning parts are refinery / ore storages.. capacity in those containers are above 16000 scu..
It looks like it might! But until we see the ship, it's hard to know
Like a lot of the commentators, I also really enjoy your Drydock Series. Good Stuff, as always! 👍
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoy them :) fun videos to make!
I can't help but think that the Orion is probably going to get another size bump along with a price bump due to the announcement of the Arrastra.
Feel like it's already massive!
@@Farrister MOAAAAAR
I do have a CCU to the Orion but I'm now playing with the idea of springing for the RSI Arrastra. I'm confident it will show up before the Orion
Same here. I also dont like that the Orion doesnt operate planetside. I dont see myself mining asteroids exclusively. The Arrastra seems to be more versatile
I believe the Arrastra will be a test bed to see what works and scale it up for the Orion build.
@@bobklk51100% agree
@@NovelloNine good point, that makes sense once the Arrastra is ingame that it would be the perfect loaner for the Orion
Time will tell, I guess
Im curious about the grinder at the front. They gonna be used
i feel this ship is going to possibly increase by yet another 100-200m roughly - and get a MASSIVE overhaul since the Arrastra was released. There are a ton more things that have to be developed for this ship to become feasible. But i think its going to become more of a platform like the Rorqual in Eve online.
Its size is going to require some ridiculous upkeep but i do feel the size of this ship is going to get upgunned, up armored and possibly even get a larger hangar for ease of transfer for mined goods to planet bases, and a med bay. Since she is an older ship this thing i feel is going to get far bigger than what we currently have info on since we havent heard anything really on it since 2017 and a lot in game has changed since then.
I look forwards to seeing what comes with this behemoth of a ship. Given the very little we actually know on the ship it very well could come back with a total redesign and be the size of a Javelin for all we know haha. Time will tell.
All the detail seems very old at this point
It's probably very safe to assume that the components listed on the website are outdated by now since CIG is in the process of refactoring component sizing and balancing due to the upcomming resource managment system. Thats why the more recently released ships tend to have smaller but multiple shieldgenerators for example compared to older ones with a single bigger one.
I agree with that - but sadly it's all I have to go on, for now!
I'm going to solo it. 😂
I’m don’t see why not
every ship is supposed to be soloable in the game once AI crew gets implemented. Protecting that thing will be another story though even though it will probably be pretty tanky.
@@BizzMRKgiven its an Asteroid miner its probably not a problem to hide in an Asteroid belt. Space is big.
Haha
I am sure you will 😃
I guess I’m curious to see if it will be able to om nom nom on all asteroids or just the ones marked as mineable.
Like can I just go to the Yela belt, pick a direction, set autopilot to like 7m/s and just move all asteroids in my way to the grinder? Or are we still going to be stuck having 1 asteroid per 10,000 being good for anything other than blowing up on
I dunno, you had me at omnomnom
Not a player here so I don't know if such feature is already in the game or not, but I think that for such ships they should implement some kind of shared ownership, because something like the Orion is basically a mobile HQ, apparently needs a crew to function and is very costly so in my opinion it would come natural for interested people to acquire it by pooling their resources rather but here is where I see a potential problem: every player involved payed a share to buy the ship but in game terms only one of them will be its owner.
Or even org ownership!
@@Farrister Yes, exactly 👍
wounder if orion could be used as combat asset, if it can move asteroids, you could fortifie area for defensive position if you have assets or plan to build "mini space base/station" if they add something like that in game.
it was about 7-8 years ago, my
friend and I bought an Orion, now it became so huge and expensive.
Wow, that's a long time!
9 years
At the website there is no Concept marker at the Orion pledge does that mean she is flyable in game?
It is not yet flyable, no
Thanks for replying. Because there is no mark that says concept so i looked up if there is any video out.@@Farrister
Great video but even wiser timing ; - )
Haha thanks
I got it when it was at it's cheapest a million years ago and now it seems like terrible value to get rid of it even though I'm a solo player. It's the only big ship I have.
At this point I'm wondering if I could just park it somewhere safe or hidden in space and leave it there as my own personal space station it's so big. 😐
A really big one for a solo player, for sure!
The Orion is my most anticipated ship. A big profit maker, relaxing cooperative profession and RSI style is a great combination.
I just hope CIG will give the Orion some sort of defensive properties rather than the planned one turret. No one would design a ship this big without some sort of countermeasures when the environment involves a fair chance of hostile encounters. I'm not asking to go toe to toe with capitals, just enough to drive off the odd lone fighter and shoot down torpedoes.
That's why a rich miner like us world hire security. 😎
Yeah, it does seem unusually sparse...
I will never try to own one. But it would be a sight to see in game.
For sure!
Are you going to look over the endavor ?
Yes, at some point :)
Lots of missed opportunity to show the concept images here.
Maybe - people said they wanted to see more gameplay footage in the background, so was experimenting with that for this one!
@@Farrister Ahh yes. The will of the unwashed masses. Yeah that's a good reason. You have a few points in there where it would have been good to work in the concept imagery though.
I am hoping to buy this ship one day. If not buy the arrastra
Have you tried the Mole?
Honestly seems pretty niche. Unless there's a lot of BIG profitable rocks in space, it sounds overkill. Can't land, can't divide itself to cover a larger asteroid area... I don't know, we'll see.
We shall see, I imagine there will be some balancing to be done to make it worth while
I think the Arrastra will be big enough for me LOL but it would be great to work on it or to protect it
Yeah, me too!
I will adore this ship once it’s in game, but I would never buy it with money, I’d set it as a big goal in game
It's a valid choice!
Although mining is an enjoyable profession in Star Citizen that I like to do, I have no intentions of ever owning such a huge platform like an Orion. If it were up to me to name one though, it's absolutely going to be some variation of USG Ishimura.
Sadly I don't recognise that reference :(
the idris is 240 the Orions is about 380 cause its 100 meters smaller then the javelin and thats 480 meters, they have said now if its capital it will have capital parts.
Time will tell :)
@@Farrister yeah i just told you lol
new vid new vid wooo
Woop woop!
fun fact... "orion" is actually latin for "soon tm"
hahaha
Cargo size isnt the same as the reinery storage is.. Orion ore storage ( on those spinning parts ) is around 16400 scu.. its allmost 1 to 1 with Hull D...
I don't think we know that yet... But it wouldn't surprise me
@@Farrister its mentioned on orion tech specs sheet.. i have seen that and propably i still have data sheet somewhere
@@Jansoft11 if you can find it, please let me know!
@@Farrister i will
Found out today that I have one of those.
Yay!
That is 100m longer than an Idris if you are correct. A whole hammerhead length longer.
Could well be!
I felt that the new mining ship has made the Orion feel like its lacking in some ways that is hard to describe
Time will tell, I suppose
Bought it on first concept sale . Aging like a fine wine in my buy back cellar .
Haha!
Here Early!
My luckiest buy at it's introductory price. Still hard to believe how huge it is. I asked chat GPT and it's longer ethan the Eiffel tower and Chrysler Building are tall.
Haha, thanks ChatGPT!
If either the Arrastra or Orion were released, I think I would be in danger of buying my Christmas gift too early. Having said that, it's not really a possibility as far as I can see.
Haha, no, may be a little wait...
*claps* Farrister vid. WE WATCH
o7
NEW FARRISTER VID HERE WE GO
Like clockwork :D
Realistically, the minimum crew would be around 4 to pilot and laser operators, 2-4 for the drone bay operators, and another 2-4 for the Refinery (if it needs to be actively manned) and engineers to run around the dam thing incase things break. Which be the time this comes out, the engineering gameplay will be in full effect.
CIG only really designed each job around 1 person (maybe 2 for the drone operators) and once life support comes online with the resource managment system your crew will be hard capped at 5 anyway. Refining really will just be sitting at a panel adjusting sliders and some minigame on there from what we have heard so about the Expanse, so having a second person or more wouldn't do anything. Engineering will also be optional for the most part if you maintain the ship properly at a station/repairdock outside combat unless you want to optimize/overclock equipment.
@@BizzMRK yeah one more thing to take into consideration is where each of these stations are located at. We got REALLY FUCKIN lucky with the Arrastra where the lasers and pilots seats are all in the same area. But in the Orion, I have a feelin that won’t be the case. I hope I’m wrong but no one knows.
The refinery is 100% going to be in the back that’s not up debate. So maybe the refinery crew will also be the main engineering crew as well. But either way, there going to be ALOT of multitasking that’s going to be taking place.
But yeah… I can see having a crew of 5/6 and you’ll be alright but honestly… most of these “minimum crew” conversations is going to have to wait until we know where all of these stations are going to be located
Maybe! If there's gameplay for all those people, I'd be all for it
Please make a dry dock on the banu merchantman
Yes, I will do!
Very informative, actually I think I'm considering getting the Arrastra, not really a miner but the prospect of going into the profession with a team sounds appealing to me. It must be said tho, I think CIG should really consider giving CAPITAL ships in the universe the ability to spawn players who are members of an Organization as well as being able to spawn a ship inside the CAPITAL ship if there are pads for it, making CAPITAL ships like the LIBERATOR and the KRAKEN that have multiple SHIP PADS and BEDS, a really valuable ORG ship when its out flying in the PU. By having this ability a CAPITAL ship becomes an ORG ship when its out in the persistent universe allowing ORG PLAYERS the ability to join their org team mates easily and allows for better logistical control when grouping up and doing missions that require multiple people to accomplish, this ability alone would really make it much easier to join team mates and makes grouping up with people to do missions and makes a CAPITAL ship VERY VALUABLE when its out in the persistent universe as it becomes a spawn point for org members.
It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out
I liked it but you should have showed the ship more often
Bruh there ARE no pictures to show of it other than a few concept peices
That's fair feedback, I was experimenting with showing some gameplay in the background for this one, based on feedback from previous videos! But good to know :)
The only way I can listen to you is thanks to the x2 button on the bottom right corner. Otherwise your slow paced commentary is making me fall asleep.
I understand you want to push the video to 10 minutes but doing it in the most obnoxious way possible shouldn't be the way, I suggest you to perhaps prepare some adittional comments about similar ships or the role itself of the ship to add more content to the video. You can add some cinematic intros, perhaps a 'what I think about this ship' kind of ending ...
Of course this is just a suggestion, you do good videos even though I have to watch them at 2x speed
Watching at x2 speed is fine, if that works for you! This is my talking speed, I really don't concern myself with the length of these videos. If you see my gameplay videos, I often speed up the footage to 12x speed, to make them more digestible! But if I talk much faster I trip over my words, so this is just me I guess :(
Next year in 2025 it will be 10 Years already but we still don't have this ship.
I know :(
"A big profit maker, relaxing cooperative profession" after EVE online you don´t say that lol. And it will be pvp, mmo
Star Citizen probably not going to be as heavy into PvP as EVE, I think
Ok i get people want smaller Crew But Orion is a size of Godzilla , Humans are Tiny i mean Real Tiny , to Run Cap Ships will Require Minimum of 7 not 2 , you have 2 once Star Citizen has let say 10 star Systems its a High Possibility you will lose Cap ships fast . you can use That new word Copium as much as you want but to Run a real Mining Operation at that Scale in a safe way you will need a minimum Fleet fighters or bigger to also Protect the Orion . There is no way 2 people can run a Orion not by a long Shot
What would the 7 people do though, that's the question? Yes, you might want extras outside of this ship for a successful operation, but this video was more about the crew requirements for the Orion in itself...
Why has it taken 8 years to implement this? We’ve been through 2 presidents in that time span lol
A valid concern, ultimately lots of these ships have a wait time attached, but they are slowly working through the backlog
Idris 240m.
Big boy
Beautiful bird that has just gotten too big for me, like my BMM
:(