What Made Sonic Adventure's Momentum Feature So Fun?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- Momentum is a heavily debated topic in the Sonic community. In this video, we take a look at the Sonic Adventure games to figure out just what made so many fans fall in love with the momentum game mechanics.
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What Makes Momentum Peak Sonic: (1:14)
Red Mountain Is The Best Stage In Sonic Adventure: (4:38)
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Yes! Someone else who has Red Mountain as their favorite SA1 stage! I seriously thought I was alone on that!
S a m e!!!
Same
Easily the best, speed highway is quite fun though
Most people have this opinion lmao
Red Mountain is probably my favorite Sonic level in general.
The Spin Dash in Sonic Adventure is like the wall jump in Super Metroid. It’s endless fun to use it in order to skip areas.
I played Sonic adventure a year ago (10 years after my first Sonic game, Sonic Colors), and BOY, it was a heck of a fun time! I have no nostalgia for this game, since I played it as an adult with a bumpy history of good and bad Sonic games, but this was the game to truly reignite my interest in the series...
Sonic adventure on Gamecube was my first sonic game at the age of 4. Still probably my favourite sonic game, wish they would return to the adventure style again some day.
I don't know who called it "momentum" first but that is called acceleration, not momentum... And now it's stuck in everyone's minds as momentum... And engineering majors like me have to live with the neverending misconceptions
When fans say momentum , orginally they mean maintaining your speed though section of levels and taking faster paths. The spindash is not momentum and it hurts my head too that some call it that.
@@fnsonicrick In the recent times, when fans say momentum, they usually mean gaining speed while going down a slope. Which is called acceleration. But Matt extensively used it to mean keeping your spin dash speed while jumping. Which is like... Doubly wrong.
So this video hurt my brain :P
Your example usage, "keeping your speed due to good level design", might be related to the term "keeping your momentum", so there could be some basis to that. However, as I said, fans usually don't use it like that, they think momentum=slope acceleration
Momentum seems to have stuck as it is a lot easier to say than pinball and slope physics lol
@@fnsonicrick haha yea this video hurts my brain too I feel like most people don't know what momentum is. Heck after your comment said this I had to look it up on meriam Webster.
It said "momentum is mass and speed becoming equal to the product of time it take for it to come to rest" or something like that.
So sonic 4 doesn't have momentum you stop holding the stick he comes to a stop right away. The classic sonic games however will have sonic slowly come to a stop.
This video should have said how sonic adventures physics are peak which still isn't true but whatever.
"In the recent times, when fans say momentum, they usually mean gaining speed while going down a slope. Which is called acceleration." Wait, what? That one is momentum.
I would say sa1 momentum is peak because you were always able to go EXACTLY where you wanted to go! I also love sa1 in general! 😁
Indeed
But is it a bit too broken. It like if every time Mario did a Long jump he Will be in the other side of the stage
@@themissingbits6375 what?
@@ykgcaramel6515 The spindash is Broken as Fuuuuuuuuuuck. It fun for sure, But it super broken. Take speedhigh Way, there is 2 buildings and you Can go to the top of the building to the right, and you Can spindash and skip Half the level.
@@themissingbits6375 tbf didn't the developers want that
I'd love to see the momentum physics of SA1 with the abilities of SA2 + Drop Dash in a future game, maybe if Frontiers succeeds they might drop the boost in favor for that.
One of my favorite momentum skips in red mountain is to use some of the platforms in the second part. You can wait on the edge and turn them into ramps to get to higher sections.
I learned of this from experimenting, but learned how to make it better when I watched some speedruns.
See, I get where Sega's coming from with Frontiers, but that game focuses so much of Sonic's abilities as a fighter that it sort of neglects to expand on what used to be his primary strength from the classic games all the way up til Adventure 2: being able to use his environment as a playground in ways other characters just can't. There's one part in Frontiers where you can run up the side of a hill and just follow the curve until you're running upside down on the bottom of a land-bridge. THAT'S the stuff I wanted to see more of. Hitting springs, riding rails, firing out of cannons, it's fun but it's also Sonic on boost-mode auto-pilot. You hit the spring, then homing attack the thing, then grind down a rail, then jump into a cannon, then hit another rail, etc. I want to DECIDE how to approach situations, not just figure out the specific series of actions the devs WANT me to perform.
red mountain has always been my favorite stage in sonic adventure. happy to finally see it get the recognition it deserves.
If you love momentum in your 3D Sonic games, then man, you really REALLY need to play Spark The Electric Jester 3. This game is Sonic Adventure's momentum and gameplay refined to near perfection.
You owe it to yourself as a Sonic Adventure fan to at least try the game out.
Why is everyone recommending that game
@@thefastcommenter7774 Because it's good? Because it does Sonic Adventure gameplay justice and expands upon it?
@@MariusUrucu More people should play that game honestly, especially sonic fans.
Top 3 levels from SA1
1. Red Mountain
2. Twinkle Park
3. Speed Highway
The spin dash is so good in SA1. I've been playing SA2 right after I finished my SA1 playthrough and it was a bit rough kicking the habit of constantly spin dashing.
If you like the Adventure momentum, you would like Sonic Boom Fire & Ice too. The spin dash momentum really works in the game. Tangled Tropics and Scallywag Reef are the best levels.
this is why your my favourite sonic-tuber, i normally do late night youtube sessions and i normally watch your videos. shows how much i love ur channel
I literally just played SA1 for the first time in the last month I really love this game
I'm at the part where you're talking about wanting a ranking system and I'm realizing it's kinda surprising that, as far as I know, there's no mod yet that adds one. I feel like that would've been one of the first ones given how much the community enjoys going for ranks.
I agree with some things you said but I do want to point out that the spindash isn't really true momemtum.. if you could run fast coming through and maintain your speed to skip sections that is true momentum. The spidash gives you extra speed at the moment. I've always thought of the spin dash as a cheat device since the classic games.
Momentum is the broad term, so the spindash, and especially super peel out and boost, are true momentum. Spindash being the weakest and ironic one since it relies on d.slopes to not only maintain speed (pre-LW) but go faster, while the other two moves at least maintain momentum regardless of surfaces.
Spindash has always been slightly overrated, while the boost contrary to popular belief not only fits Sonic better but is better suited for the pace of his gameplay. The issue was never the boost itself but (how it's earned if you want to go there but importantly) the more linear-3D level design it exist in. Frontiers is the FIRST Sonic game to give the boost its first real outing/3d-space to stretch its legs. All that's left is decent physics and level design. The platforming level design might not be up to Adventure standards (not a fair comparison anyway and it never will be), but demo footage did show slopey surfaces can be exploited to "fly" crazy distances with power boosting. (Not to ignore all 4 boost games allowing basic level design skips by air-boosting, Unl and Forces being the strongest cases, but those situations differ a bit for obv reasons.)
SA1 physics is peak, but for me the biggest disadvantage is the ability to SPAM spin dash and get top speed almost instantly. It just removes all this "use terrain to build up speed etc."
@Welp and speed up on slopes
As much as I do agree about Momentum (I prefer calling it Slope Physics personaly) being cool and what gives sonic's best games the depth that makes you keep playing. I dont think this video really explains well why its Momentum is important.
Every trick you showed had more to do with abusing spindash jumps to skip obstacles and while that IS fun I think you should have talked more on what momentum's role here is because it seem like you're just doing a bunch of charged jumps to skip areas no matter where you are half that time. you could argue that you can do that without momentum. Like if Sonic had a power up or an attack that would make him jump higher or something.
I think its important to note that the reason spindash jumping is still fun is because you still have to use it strategically and be more aware of your positioning on slopes. Because sometimes this isnt Sonic doing a super jump whenever you want, but also his reaction to when he jumps off and in what speed (altho the speed part feel trivial because of the spindash's top speed being the highest you can get in this game).
I think the cool places where slope physics are more involved are where you have to spin jump on an incline strategically to skip certain areas more vertically and not jump on any part of the incline, but you want to jump off the slope specificly when sonic's velocity is at its highest (as soon as you release the button) and on the highest part of the slope. To be honest tho there is one thing thats missing in Sonic adventure's level design imo and that is a slope physics moment where in order to make it you have to use earned speed thats faster then a spindash. Like the kind that you collect from a big down hill slope. However the Spindash in Adventure is so broken that you dont have to build speed because its faster then any amount of speed you can collect from slopes.
I also want to point out that slope physics in general are great because they also help everything have a better sense of weight and impact by its enviorment and makes you more considerant about smaller things and the enviornent feel more WORTH traversing faster through as a result.
For example uphill inclines slow you down a lot so you want to think of how to avoid them at times by either thinking more about when to jump and how to get passed them in an optimal way. Unlike a normal game where the slope would normaly just be considered normal terrain and skipping it does not amount to much.
So yeah..."Momentum" RULES!, but spindash jumping is not all it could be.
I’d definitely like the series to return to this style of level design. I mostly play through Sonic games once and return to them if the mood strikes, but there’s a game I played recently called Neon White that has a similar design philosophy of open level design and using skill and knowledge of the environment to find ways to take shortcuts and still achieve the objective. It’s ranking system essentially requires making use of these skips, and there’s a medal for actually beating the developers’ best time. It felt really satisfying to keep replaying levels to try and get the times lower and get better rankings. The game was also really built with Speedrunning in mind as it had a lot of helpful features for speedrunners and rewarded you for getting better times. I think it would be cool to see Sonic games also embrace speedrunning with more difficult rankings, collectible rewards for better clear times, and having ghosts and scoreboards optionally show in the main game rather than just being a side mode
When you said red mountain is the best in showcasing momentum gameplay I was confused, but not for why you predicted
You acted like it was unknown but this is my favorite sa1 level and every person I knew in person that liked sonic games preferred this stage over all others, specifically for the fact it has a super low skill requirement while a super high skill cieling
Translation: all my homies love red mountain
One of my favorite intros for TH-cam videos
Red Mountain is genuinely a sick SA1 level.
Subscribed to this channel because the moment I first heard you praise Sonic Adventure 1 for its level design and endless possibilities (ha) for going through the level I knew you were a man of culture
I played Sonic Adventure 1 and then Sonic Adventure 2 recently .
And I had a though time adjusting to those games camera .
And also it's hard to decide which game is better , but SA2 does have a better story and SA1 posibly has a better art direction .
And both games deserve to be ranked above 8/10 by critics , they are till this day masterpieces .
Watching this video, the only thing I disagree with is a super strict ranking system. Maybe make it difficult to get the S-rank, but more "Play the stage like 3 or 4 times to get the S-rank", not "Play the stage 50 times to get the S-rank"
sonic adventure the GOAT. i always want to play it but can’t, i have to be in the right mood for it
Same for me
I'd struggle to call it an "adventure" feature, especially when these slope physics are present in basically every 3D sonic game. The later ones certainly don't give it as much focus, but that's more due to having other mechanics that they are designed around, rather than a lack of slope physics.
Yea sonic heroes has momentum physics. Project 06 has momentum that can allow yout o skip parts of the level not including the gems which just increases the skill ceiling, sonic generations defintley has momentum too with the boost. I don't think sa1 is peak sonic design whatsoever
More like they don't give you a reason to do it. I have to admit that even in Unleashed and Generations, you're going through hallways a lot of the time. There's no secret extra lives, rings or enemies hidden, and the way Sonic turns discourages it, even though you're required to in Unleashed to progress, but a lot of times it's more of a guessing game on which area you can or can't walk to, yet in order to get S-ranks, Professor Pickle literally outright states you need to finish stages as fast as possible, even ignoring enemies.
I'm not suprised that it took well over a decade for people to notice that the rails in the boost games do have physics on them, because they're such a pointless feature that you'd have to either be just screwing around in a level for the lolz, or let Sonic come to a complete stop to see what happens. It's more superfluous than anything because you don't use them to speed up, you boost.
Matt I love your vids keep up the good work
Because unlike Mario 64 Sonic Adventure is still fun to control and feels even more appreciated now (for better or worse).
I think Mario 64 is still fine
Mario 64 is still fun to control, a little clunky but with all the movement options you have it’s still very fun.
thats a horrible take on mario 64
@@nerov3402 don’t care Mario has better controls and moves in Sunshine and Odyssey
Mario 64 still controls great, only thing I don't think has aged great abt the game is some of the level design
"momentum makes a Sonic game good"
Not entirely. There's a lot of sonic games with no momentum because you don't NEED it.
Look at unleashed, gens, heroes, and frontiers
They HAVE momentum but they don't NEED it to be fun. In fact colors has no momentum at all but is considered the best Sonic game in most eyes.
Nah, he's right, but in a (literal) sense different from his meaning and the one you think that is. Sonic is at his best when he keeps moving (that's momentum), not when he needs to stop to solve puzzles or do precision platforming. (Not saying platforming is bad, it just has to be spread out far enough so Sonic can do what he's most known for, run.) Unleashed is one of the most momentum-based Sonic games in history.
Colors, which has momentum (though not much worth noting), hasn't been viewed as "the best Sonic game by most" in years. Gens stole that glory about a decade ago.
Hello matthasnocuts, you are personally one of my favorite sonic TH-camrs ever.
Gotta love the rhetoric that linear level design is always inferior to open level design, and that these types of stages are completely exclusive to one game each.
I seem to remember 2/3 of Icecap Zone being a linear generic platformer aside from the one skip you showed, the inside of Red Mountain, Final Egg as a whole, Windy Valley's Tornado being a few jumps off of orange panels, and Lost World consisting of a narrow hole you run down, a giant Snake you wait on and jump between platforms for at least a solid minute, and the wall running room is just a puzzle to figure out the path you're supposed to take.
You literally showed a trick in City Escape to reach the Invincibility Power-up and Chao Container without swinging from the pole, in Metal Harbor you can get to the top missle route quicker which is what I thought you were going to do, there are LOTS of separate grinding and platforming paths in Final Rush with rewards, and they clearly intended you to use the spin dash jump in Sky Rail as evident by the extra rings, item containers, and animals, which SA1 doesn't do. One of the most impressive uses of it has to be on Cannon's Core Hard Mode, where on previous missions you'd use Mystical Melody to unlock a secret in the following character's section, until the second part of Sonic's where you light dash up to a room that has an extra life, or the lost Chao on the 3rd mission, but on Hard Mode, they removed the Light Dash ring path, but put FIVE extra lives in that same room.
I can go on, but my point stands. Most of these stages in BOTH Adventure games, linear or open, are still plenty of fun to play, and one type of level design never has and never will be better than the other 100% of the time.
I'm glad you pointed that out man sa2s level design is honestly like just as open and linear as sonic adventure 1's. The 5 extra lives you can get is even more interesting than how you get the 4 extra lives in final egg where you just wait on a platform for a few minutes.
True ?
@@elibonham4388 Also not everyone knows this, but if you collect every ring on a mission, or at least get a Perfect at the end of the stage, that's an automatic A-rank, regardless of your score. Even amongst the more linear stages in SA2, they encourage you to check every nook and cranny even for stuff like animals, and you can revisit past stages to find new power-ups and extra goodies.
In Radical Highway you can Spin Dash Jump to the area that has the Flame Ring instead of needing to come back after you get Light Dash. In the area where you normally take a bunch of springs downwards after first checkpoint, you can actually jump to either side and find baloons. The left one has invincibility, and the right one has an extra life. If you homing attack the spring ramp afterwards, it will send you up high enough to skip the section where you have to beat the 4 beetles, which is essential on the 4th mission as that stage has one of the more strict time limits, along with plenty more if you actually try to explore and experiment in these stages instead of just writing them off as "another garbage linear SA2 stage."
@@AkameGaKillfan777 100% the 1st missions are built for the score attack the rings mission is built for time bit also exploration to find the most efficient way to collect them all certain areas you think are absolutely worthless in the regular stages are actually really important to get those two ring capsules like in lost colony. The 3rd mission again same thing except you go to parts of the levels you usually wouldn't go unless you wanted an extra life. Mission 4, take all the short cuts it's more focused on time 5th mission survive but play fairly well. I just think the hard mode versions of each level are the real levels incouraging you to use all your mechanics even more harder platforming more enemies everything sa1 didn't have stuff like this crazy gagdet hard mode is super fun for example
I honestly really can't say that red mountain is the best. it's good, but speed highway does everything that red mountain does slightly better
You left out the most important part: Momentum cancelling. In the Classic games, you can get a more precise jump by trying to move Sonic in the opposite direction while he's airborne, which the Sonic Adventure games do as well. That paired with the jump height changing depending on how long you hold the jump button rather than the height being fixed I think is the real special sauce that makes the Adventure game feel great to control. The other games have momentum, but the problem with them is once Sonic hits a certain speed it's difficult to turn or slow down for more precise platforming.
The thing about monentum in the 3D games is that it doesn't teach you how to use it whereas the classics teaches everyone. I personally think that is a major flaw.
Momentum so good, pinball doesnt even work properly
How would you feel about sa1 sonics gameplay if the spindash wasn't able to be used like that, and it was more slower along with being alot less easy to abuse.
4:35 Average Sonic Adventure Fan:🥴🥴🥴
Average Sonic Adventure 2 Enjoyer:🗿🗿🗿
I fucking love red mountain it's my favorite level and favorite song thank God you brought some popularity to it
Red mountain is soooo underrated
About the ranking thing for red mountain, I’m pretty sure it had an incredibly strict time in the DX version, or atleast hard for me
By keys in Crash, are you referring to the relics? Because this really confused me, like, there are keys in the Crash games?
As soon as u said red mountain best stage I had to sub
I really dislike seeing the spindash used this way, and personally would rather not see it in the 3D games at all. It trivializes the act of actually building up momentum because you can get as much speed as you want from a standstill. No need to take advantage of the nearby level geometry to build up speed for a big jump. No chance of missing an opportunity because you messed up and lost your momentum. And an even bigger issue in my opinion is that it's always used to outright skip the level. And I think that's the problem that a good ranking system like the one in Sonic Adventure 2 helps fix. People only care about going fast and forget that part of Sonic's appeal is looking cool while doing it. In Sonic Adventure 2, completing the level at blazing speeds doesn't get you an A rank. You actually have to master the level as it's designed, chaining together your abilities and succeeding at level-specific gimmicks designed to make you feel cool. Even in the secondary missions which are only ranked by time, you don't need to abuse the spindash to get an A rank. In fact, doing so completely removes the pressure that would otherwise make the challenge feel tight and interesting.
I still find the beta Windy Valley and Sonic 06 stages to have the best designs in the 3d series. I hate hate how they abandoned it. Mods have been picking up the slack on that but that does nothing for someone who isn't apart of the Pc master race.
Commenting about Sonic on my birthday again.
Red mountain is the best sonic stage of all time and I thought it would continue being forgotten. but then Matt as the chad he is praised red mountain (what a chad.)
I could've sworn that you've made a video about this before.
I made one very similar to this video about a year ago. Originally this video was just going to be a video all about analyzing Red Mountain but then I realized that it's kind of hard to explain why Red Mountain is great without explaining what made the momentum and level design so fun in Sonic Adventure. In a strange way, I practically remade a video I made a year ago in the first four minutes of the video. The rest of the video was the initial idea of what the video was supposed to be.
YESSSS!!!! Someone who understands that red mountain is the best level in SA1
Oddly enough, even though I've played this game my whole life and beaten it about 20 times, I rarely ever use the spindash. I basically always play the same way you did at 9:47, and I still feel like the momentum is perfect. You didn't really talk much about how outstanding the jumping and mid-air movement is (also I typically beat Red Mountain in under 3 minutes)
Obvious knowledge : Because Red Mountain is a lava based level and on Angel Island that means that Red Mountain is the same location as Lava Reef Zone from Sonic 3 & Knuckles .
4:35 THIS!!!!
What I noticed about the physics in Adventure is that they're quite a bit stiffer and snappier than the classic games. This feels pretty great, has a pretty high skill ceiling, and apparently makes the game more approachable. However, I'd argue that it removes some of the push and pull of the Genesis games. In those games, certain tricks required more buildup of speed and thus were more difficult, but were much more satisfying and significant. In Adventure, most tricks can be pulled off with just the mastery of the spin dash. With some refinement, I think an approachable yet ultra-deep control scheme could be crafted.
The spindash jump is also very one note and for me gets stale quickly. Defintley in comparison to the team up mechanic in heroes the gems in 06 or the combination of the summer sault speed conserving mod in sa2 bounce bracelet and spindash.
@@elibonham4388 That's basically the problem I have. To get really good at the game, the spindash jump is basically the only technique you need to master. Some refinement to the controls would make it perfect, though.
yeah the problem is that the spindash spam takes that mastering of gaining speed by your own but this is still peak sonic control I think frontiers is the closest we got to sonic adventure controls but it definitely will not be as good as the adventure game because there is no spindash in that game and I really hope the sequel for frontiers will have the game built around momentum like doing puzzles or having to use that momentum to get through specific platforming sections or else you won't be able to do it or getting up to high mountains. that was the game I was imagining because I am kind of tired of the boost you can't do as many cool things with it as the spindash so I hope they actually just remove the boost from the games and make it all like the classics but the boost can still be canon they just make sonic boost in cutscenes and stuff but we won't be able to boost in the game.
Adventure Sonic's model is blessed
I see a video from Lord Matt?
I click.
1:31 literally the best
I love sonic adventures models there so low poly and I love it also this video realesed in my country at 10 AM right now so yea
Makin me want to play Sonic Adventure again oh no
Sonic venture on dreams has a lot of momentum
SA1 supremacy I’m here for it
red mountain is the most underrated and best level as long as it being my favorite
7:10 I see but I just wanna mention another shortcut that makes it even faster. Go and jump to your left and boom the rocket awaits you just in seconds.
Sonic looks funny in the thumbnail
I you wanna get under 2 minutes then just jump to the left over here 7:10
I don't know how I have never noticed that.
new video let's go
Sonic momentum 1 and 2 for the sega momentum cast
This video is my education on the adventure games 😂
So, essentially, we can use this video as a guide for this level? :)
Weird how being overpowered/broken made Sonic fun in Sonic Adventure.
0:10 fuck that scared me
anxiety af
I'd rather they just implement this into the mainline game after Frontiers as just a thing that you can do for some environmental challenges. 'Cause I rather like how Frontiers is basically just "Sonic Zones/Adventure Fields but as bigger open areas". Their literal first draft of Frontiers was a traditional open world after all, and that's what the first play testers played.
What I don't get is why people don't understand that this kind of system can break a game in two even IF it's made with it in mind. I'd rather have a Sonic game I can PLAY rather than a Sonic game I can BREAK, momentum or no momentum.
Facts red mountain cold
Say “spin dash” one more time please 😂❤😂❤
Turn run
"sonic adventure" and "momentum" should NEVER go together in a sentence, they're 2 parallel lines
Please Sega! Remake Sonic Adventure!
I remember playing this when I was younger Mf got scared of the spiders at the end.
Where
Does anyone else find it weird that Metacritic doesn't have a page for Sonic Adventure (Dreamcast edition)?
As good as some of the "boost era" games are, The controls never sat right with me. They felt too stiff, like it's always trying to lock you into place. Where as the Adventure controls just feel feel more fluid and organic.
It's not momentum, its pinball physics.
Actually it's kind of both
The level is cool but I have arachnophobia and i literally screamed and quit the game when they showed up in the caves.
People that say sonic isnt about momentum are the same people that say sonic forces is underrated and a good game.
Day 11 of asking for a sonics schoolhouse video
Great game but I get lost on this game I never know where to go
"Its power lies in the hands of the player"
Yeah the spindash was fun in sa1 especially with the less confined level design overall
Even without very much momentum (which will make going up slopes more convenient for new players which Im all for, id rather not worry about making it up inclines because I was too slow or stopped, I know that sounds nitpicky but not everyone grew up with sonic)
Even so, I think frontiers will be the "adventure" of its own series. Unleashed was the big boost game and generations made that more simple but still fun in terms of level design
But some of the spirit of sonic adventure lives on, especially in the hub world and now with some platforming elements rather than just running around with not much to do in the worlds (sorry sa1, your hub worlds were really just for the story and not too much more than that, and the chao garden)
I would not prefer the crash ranking system where you have to barely make it in time. The A rank missions make sure of that especially in Twinkle Park. You have to take a skip in order to get that one, and even 20 tries through you probably wouldnt know that
Grinding levels is fun, but I do like my forgiveness somewhat, also for the sake of new players
In unleashed, that would work much better. Focuses a lot more on speed constantly with adequate precision platforming needed, its not as slow as adventure which doesnt make that game bad by any means (because you can go fast but you will have to look a lot more before you leap because its a fully 3d game)
As a guy who loves Sonic Adventure, I really love your thoughts on Momentumn in Sonic Adventure and I think that the momentum of SA1 is so peak in my opinion because I think that you can always be able to go exactly where you really wanted to go, but because unlike Mario 64, Sonic Adventure 1/DX is still fun to control because of the momentum, but I still love SA1 and I really agree with your thoughts on the momentum feature that SA1 has but overall I think the momentum of Sonic the Hedgehog in the dreamcast classic (SA1) is so peak and so fun in my opinion.
I'm not sure if I understand how designing the level where spamming one overpowered move is your best choice is 'good design'.
Spin dash jump to win
They NEED to bring the spin dash back in future sonic games. The boost mechanic is fine, but why can’t we have both?
Because it's redundant unless you make them work specific ways
@@AkameGaKillfan777Frontiers says hi
@@ALegendaryBlueHedge So did Omens. My point stands
I just wish it wasn't so buggy a remake would make this game even better I hate how you fall out of the levels so often
12:18p.m. 10/23/2022
Peak because after the adventure games they never tried it again.
While I love Sonic Adventure's controls, I do have a big issue with it: Sonic's turning. It is EXTREMELY sensitive, especially at high speeds. This means you can redirect your speed instantly, which doesn't obey the laws of momentum, and it also makes Sonic twitchy and hard to wrangle at times
Ironically I feel like Shadow the Hedgehog does a better job at this. It can feel slippery at times, but they widened the turning arc, which makes it feel more natural and satisfying to make turns at high speeds.
So, in conclusion, Sonic's gameplay in Sonic Adventure is peak, but pales in comparison to Big the Chad and Shadow the Hedgheog.
I agree I love how shadow controls especially with the guns with chaos control abilities you can be an absolute mad man just running through these stages. Sonic unwished also I think has probably the best level design purely for time attack. With great controls that has a steep learning curve
Shadow does NOT control well in his game. He's either too stiff or slides. The only times it works well are in stages like Lethal Highway, Air Fleet and G.U.N Fortress, where there are several stretches they put little to no obstacles in that block your way. I cannot count how many times I've stopped or taken damage because of some randomly placed piece of terrain or black fruit or whatever is in the way. The only thing it has going is that you can stop immediately.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 I see where your coming from those are complaints I had with the game on the ps2 version or ig just console version of the game. But on dolphin I didn't really run into issues like it that much. Because the frame rate is better the visuals are clearer so I can react quicker to incoming obstacles
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Idk what to tell you dude, to each their own I guess.
I enjoyed the Adventure games but they never quite clicked with me, I could never wrangle Sonic's control and he was always derping off in some other direction unless the analog stick was 101% straight.
Insanely, I found Heroes more manageable (it also helped that it had way better level design), and everything just clicked with Shadow. Once I got the hang of the controls and level design, weaving in and out obstacles at high speeds while maintaining my momentum and gunning down every enemy in my was was some of the most fun I've had in a Sonic.
Pariah659 has a pretty good video on Shadow that summarizes most of my thoughts on it, you can watch it at 2x speed if you're tight on time.
AHH in your red mountain gameplay when you weren't spindashing and parts of the level I was vomiting 🤮 It
left so wrong
Sonic gt: what a rookie
Best sonic game
Well frontiers will have momentum especially with the drop dash so hopefully the momentum fans will finally stfu about no momentum in newer games
So this is the power of momentum…
That thing Sonic Frontiers trolls won’t shut up about.
HE SAID THE M WORD!
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Do you trust Sega with a sonic adventure 3
No.
@@Matthasnocuts yea lol. Unless Frontiers controls well, plays well and it does good(so far I’m impressed with frontiers) I really wouldn’t trust them with touching the adventure series. And after 06 happened which is basically adventure 3, I really have low expectations for the next adventure game.
@@amari648 it has all of those things according to everyone who has played the game, so
@@Matthasnocuts what about Sonic Team ?
@@bluefire9285 yea I know the game is good so far and I am excited to play it and enjoy for as long as I can.
wait people like the track inside the cave of red mountain, I just thought that was guitar giberish and hated the scratchy idek, me included I don't like that track, respect your opinion tho