Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk joined Felger & Mazz to discuss why Bill Belichick is without an NFL coaching job. Thumbnail images courtesy of USA Today Sports
Great idea. He needs to reshape his reputation as a down to earth and his encyclopaedia football knowledge for him to have any chance he becomes a coach again
I love how you guys think you know the future. No one knows how things are going to work out. If Bill did not make a lucky sixth round pick over two decades ago Bill would have been gone many years ago. Hit on a QB and all is possible, it not your the Jets for decades . I very much doubt Bill will ever be a head coach again. If he does coach he will not be picking the groceries again. Teams have seen Bills four year rebuild in NE and it’s an utter disgrace.
You're just a hater regurgitating media talking points "lucky pick". Please. The draft is all luck. Good luck and bad luck. No one really knows who or what they are getting until multiple seasons later.
@@Tsepete Yes but acting like Bill actually had a clue about Tom when he picked him in the 6th round is luck. I guess you could call Harry, Mac, Sony and Strange in the first round bad luck. I like Bill the coach but Bill the GM not so much especially on the offensive side of the ball.
He’s a great defensive coordinator. Bill was a shitty head coach before Brady and exposed as a shitty head coach/player personnel guy post Brady. Having the greatest QB to ever play run your offense fixed a lot of things.
@@mikeadams4230 A head coach needs elite players to win championships. In every team sport. Once he gets those players, he becomes great when he surronds his top player or players with well rounded teams every year for a long time. Andy Reid is the current example of that. He wouldn't have 3 rings without Mahomes and would not have had success in the past without the McNabbs and Alex Smiths who were both solid QBs. When Bill had elite players, he won Superbowls, as DC and as Head Coach. I checked the 5 Cleveland teams and could not find a single Hall of Famer. Now look back and tell me which coach won consistently without elite players. You won't find one. Bill said it over and over again, it's a players game. They can play without coaches, but coaches can not coach without players. This is why the "without Brady" arguement is silly.
"All models are wrong, but some are useful" applies to analytics in sports like anything else. Blindly following a percentage model based on an average of all NFL teams and games is as foolish as blindly ignoring that model. A head coach should treat analytics as just another piece of information to consider when making a judgement call in a game.
Does Belichick have any hobbies or interests outside of football? I kinda doubt it. Which, if true, would be lots of money with nothing to spend it on.
Going for it on 4th 3 at your own 48 is much different if you have the Detroit Lions offense relative to almost any other offense in the NFL. Campbell knows he has the best offense in the NFL....end of story!
Broad historical averages based on misspecified models with incomplete and unreliable data should never be used to make situation specific decisions. In other words, 4th and 1 against the mid-70s Steelers, 1985 Bears, or 2000 Raven defenses is not representive of the "statistical average".
The vultures are gonna pile on BB cos Brady went out on top, and on his terms. Shoulda just walked away as well, he has nothing left to truly prove in this league.
Felger keeps dumping on the krafts for a weak rebuild and i want to know who you thought we were going to bring in? Did you think Mcvay was going to quit his job to come fix the pats?
Dan Campbell coached like that all season. If he would have taken a step back and realized that the way Detroits defense was playing, there was no way that Brock Purdy was going to lead 3 scoring drives in 21 minutes.
@@tjk9263 You're acting as if the Coach mates those decisions. They do not. Vegas makes these decisions based upon how they can shave points or bait people into live betting losses. The NFL isn't, and never was genuine competition. The original owners of the first trans in the NFL were all heavily involved with illegal gambling and horse racing. The NFL was created to be a money maker for their gambling industry. There only way then to guarantee an attractive narrative and keep the score in favor of Vegas, and that is to play pretend football abd decide ahead of time who wins.
@jmurphy1973 lol , The Human Resources departments across the NFL are hoping Billy B. Doesn’t Get Hired by their organizations . They would have too much extra work with All the employees filling complaints against coach about his old school, no nonsense, no political correctness way of conducting his new work force. IMO
Everybody is leaving out the 800 lb gorilla. Belichick's irascible personality makes him Darth Vader to everyone that's faced with working for him. He earned that reputation, now he has to wear it. Ain't no NFL owner gonna turn over his team to a head coach that will bully him too:)
The Patriots fire the teacher and hire the student and they expect different results? 😂 New England is a f-ing mess!! They are unwatchable!! Why would you throw the keys to a 72 year old washed up coach!!
If I am an up and coming pro football player or coach I too would be concerned about working for someone that has a .442 lifetime win percentage Belichick without Brady: CLE 1991-1995 36-44 (.450) NE 2021-2023 29-38 (.433) Combined 65-82 (.442)
Let's face it Bill became a cranky, nasty old bastard after Brady and Kraft made him get rid of Jimmy G. I think he came to the realization that Tom was the one player that didn't support Bill's narrative that you get rid of someone before they are toast. Tom played til he was 45 and probably could have played a few more years.
I've been saying all along that the Belicheck WORSHIPPERS act like Spygate never happened! And that's by DESIGN! Because once u mention Spygate, that takes ALL the Air out of the Belicheck Balloon!😂
Question….If Bill B is a cheater, why doesn’t he win w/o Brady ? You idiots just ignore that Tom Brady was the QB !! As a patriots fan Ive always said it was 75% Bardy 25% Bill
Murray, like Mazz, is a telephone tough guy. 0 balls!
Kinda like Greg Hill your boy
This is hilarious to see considering all the times Murray has called him "Nana Florio" on Twitter and on the show. Murray despises him.
Florio is a good guy in person from all impressions I get, and he can take a joke certainly
Chris, Mike Florio is 4 times smarter than Mayo!! He is a lawyer turned journalist!!
It seems Belichek and Tiger Woods may not reach their pre-annoited most all-time wins record.
Wood is tied for the most wins on the PGA tour with Sam Snead at 82...
I would pay real money to see nice bill on some talk show.
Ive already paid money to see Bill mumble for 20 years. No thanks.
Yeah listening to belicheck talk without holding anything back would be super entertaining lol
Hell a lot of owners would probably be a bit nervous around Bill.
Belichick should zoom with the Manning brothers on Monday night. Just stay away from the ring cameras on the other nights.
Great idea. He needs to reshape his reputation as a down to earth and his encyclopaedia football knowledge for him to have any chance he becomes a coach again
he has the charisma of a plant
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And oddly enough that's what makes him super funny lol
Sometimes the extenme boring/uptight people are the most entertaining 🤣
I love how you guys think you know the future. No one knows how things are going to work out. If Bill did not make a lucky sixth round pick over two decades ago Bill would have been gone many years ago. Hit on a QB and all is possible, it not your the Jets for decades . I very much doubt Bill will ever be a head coach again. If he does coach he will not be picking the groceries again. Teams have seen Bills four year rebuild in NE and it’s an utter disgrace.
You're just a hater regurgitating media talking points "lucky pick". Please. The draft is all luck. Good luck and bad luck. No one really knows who or what they are getting until multiple seasons later.
@@Tsepete Yes but acting like Bill actually had a clue about Tom when he picked him in the 6th round is luck. I guess you could call Harry, Mac, Sony and Strange in the first round bad luck. I like Bill the coach but Bill the GM not so much especially on the offensive side of the ball.
He’s a great defensive coordinator. Bill was a shitty head coach before Brady and exposed as a shitty head coach/player personnel guy post Brady.
Having the greatest QB to ever play run your offense fixed a lot of things.
@@mikeadams4230 A head coach needs elite players to win championships. In every team sport. Once he gets those players, he becomes great when he surronds his top player or players with well rounded teams every year for a long time. Andy Reid is the current example of that. He wouldn't have 3 rings without Mahomes and would not have had success in the past without the McNabbs and Alex Smiths who were both solid QBs. When Bill had elite players, he won Superbowls, as DC and as Head Coach.
I checked the 5 Cleveland teams and could not find a single Hall of Famer. Now look back and tell me which coach won consistently without elite players. You won't find one.
Bill said it over and over again, it's a players game. They can play without coaches, but coaches can not coach without players. This is why the "without Brady" arguement is silly.
With Belichick’s reputation obviously most GM would feel uncomfortable working with him, there is no need for a genius like Florio to point it out.
What about the HR department at such facilities.
"All models are wrong, but some are useful" applies to analytics in sports like anything else. Blindly following a percentage model based on an average of all NFL teams and games is as foolish as blindly ignoring that model. A head coach should treat analytics as just another piece of information to consider when making a judgement call in a game.
Florio is a guy that will big time people he thinks are not worthy. Murray is right.
Belichek's Petworth is 70 million dollars.. he doesn't need to coach somewhere he has to compromise.
that's a lot of pets.
Does Belichick have any hobbies or interests outside of football?
I kinda doubt it.
Which, if true, would be lots of money with nothing to spend it on.
Well if he wants that all time win record he does lol
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Right exactly he probably has zero fun in life
I hate analytics in sports. Kick the fieldgoal, Dan Campbell.
Going for it on 4th 3 at your own 48 is much different if you have the Detroit Lions offense relative to almost any other offense in the NFL.
Campbell knows he has the best offense in the NFL....end of story!
Broad historical averages based on misspecified models with incomplete and unreliable data should never be used to make situation specific decisions.
In other words, 4th and 1 against the mid-70s Steelers, 1985 Bears, or 2000 Raven defenses is not representive of the "statistical average".
None of these talking heads knows anything more than any of us. They just spout conjecture with confidence.
I dropped PFT a long time ago
Analytics is fully embraced to the detriment of the art and chaos of any sport. Want a game with an unknowable outcome or a math equation?
Why are the panthers not calling Bill?
left new england about 10 years ago. amazed that felger and mazz still have a show. smh.
Felger is the most ignorant, annoying talking head out there, it's mystifying how he is still there.
Fontenot and Pace were not going to be subserviant to Belichick and having experienced 7 years of Pace in Chicago the marriage would not have worked.
The vultures are gonna pile on BB cos Brady went out on top, and on his terms. Shoulda just walked away as well, he has nothing left to truly prove in this league.
How can you give him keys to the car when he doesn't know anything about the offense for 50 years!!!!! DA DA DA❤😂🎉❤
mazz desperately needs one of those joe biden plug jobs
The reason analytics are taking over sports is simple. Because it works. These old grandpas screaming get off my lawn at the new age up and comers.
Felger keeps dumping on the krafts for a weak rebuild and i want to know who you thought we were going to bring in? Did you think Mcvay was going to quit his job to come fix the pats?
Analytics is nonsense. Normalizing stupid coaching decisions makes it easier to script games.
Dan Campbell coached like that all season. If he would have taken a step back and realized that the way Detroits defense was playing, there was no way that Brock Purdy was going to lead 3 scoring drives in 21 minutes.
@@tjk9263
You're acting as if the Coach mates those decisions. They do not. Vegas makes these decisions based upon how they can shave points or bait people into live betting losses.
The NFL isn't, and never was genuine competition. The original owners of the first trans in the NFL were all heavily involved with illegal gambling and horse racing.
The NFL was created to be a money maker for their gambling industry. There only way then to guarantee an attractive narrative and keep the score in favor of Vegas, and that is to play pretend football abd decide ahead of time who wins.
New England will be a real laughing stock with Mayo and his DEI. What a joke.
HR departments were Billy B . Interviewed was. Sweating him being hired.
What on Earth did you really mean to say?
@jmurphy1973 lol , The Human Resources departments across the NFL are hoping Billy B. Doesn’t Get Hired by their organizations . They would have too much extra work with All the employees filling complaints against coach about his old school, no nonsense, no political correctness way of conducting his new work force. IMO
I gotta say this: without analytics what else ya gonna talk about during a damn baseball game?
the different techniques of spitting and scratching your nuts?
Florio says Bill doesn’t have a job because he’d be a better GM than anyone. What a clown.
Everybody is leaving out the 800 lb gorilla. Belichick's irascible personality makes him Darth Vader to everyone that's faced with working for him. He earned that reputation, now he has to wear it. Ain't no NFL owner gonna turn over his team to a head coach that will bully him too:)
The Patriots fire the teacher and hire the student and they expect different results? 😂 New England is a f-ing mess!! They are unwatchable!! Why would you throw the keys to a 72 year old washed up coach!!
If I am an up and coming pro football player or coach I too would be concerned about working for someone that has a .442 lifetime win percentage
Belichick without Brady:
CLE 1991-1995 36-44 (.450)
NE 2021-2023 29-38 (.433)
Combined 65-82 (.442)
Let's face it Bill became a cranky, nasty old bastard after Brady and Kraft made him get rid of Jimmy G. I think he came to the realization that Tom was the one player that didn't support Bill's narrative that you get rid of someone before they are toast. Tom played til he was 45 and probably could have played a few more years.
Florio’s the worst. Can barely stomach him.
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Felger and Mazz. The only ones with the balls to dig into this cheating coach. There is no dynasty without Ernie Adams and his cheating and brilliance
You can get off your knees now. And wipe that chin.
I've been saying all along that the Belicheck WORSHIPPERS act like Spygate never happened! And that's by DESIGN! Because once u mention Spygate, that takes ALL the Air out of the Belicheck Balloon!😂
you mad, bro ?
@@MH-fb5kr Mad about what?!
Question….If Bill B is a cheater, why doesn’t he win w/o Brady ? You idiots just ignore that Tom Brady was the QB !! As a patriots fan Ive always said it was 75% Bardy 25% Bill