Full Body Tracking For ANY Headset - Vive Ultimate Tracker Review
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- I've spent the last 6 months with the VIVE Ultimate Trackers. They need a lot of work, but they also have limitless potential.
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Silly goofy me! I forgot to mention battery life. The battery on these consistently outlasts my Quest 3/session playtime. I tend to get around 7-8 hours on each tracker
OwO that's a lotta time
I bought these and returned them after learning about the consistent problems and the difficult setup process. Plus i didnt want to do the whole figure 8 thing every time my tracking breaks
How long ago was this?
You can actually get away with the whole figure-8 calibration by using an alternative version of Space Calibrator by BD Underscore, where it uses "continuous calibration" to automatically calibrate your playspace, assuming you have another tracker attached onto your headset.
It's an essential piece of software that I would highly recommend to anyone using a Quest platform for PCVR FBT.
@@AzureOnyxscore You would need an additional tracker on top of your head i believe, because the quest and the vive trackers play spaces are diffrent unles sim mistaken, I saw someone using the ultimates in public and while it was cool to se ehim walk across the whole furry hideout map, there was some drifting within his feet
@@AzureOnyxscore So basically you would need 4 trackers if using Quest 3? 2x feet, 1x waist and 1x on the headset itself?
@@william9169 I'm a newbie, but I think you are correct in needing 4 with the Q3 and "Space Calibrator" software mentioned by Azure.
the riv suit lurking in the backhround:
also ty for the heart :D
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Hi, overall a great review, just a few points:
- having to re-do calibration : that is probably from the Quest headset re-making its own playspace, therefore it is a new playspace that needs to be calibrated again. I keep the same calibration for months
- "facing your computer" : it does not need to be your computer, but "the front of your playspace", as in "where you would be looking the most when you are playing". Same thing when you start mapping, it does not need to aim at your physical computer
Wow, really cool! I'll wait, though. I value consistency in my products very highly, and while 600 is accessible it's also absolutely nothing to scoff at.
Big Reason why I'm keep avoiding this Vive Ultimate Tracker, even i like it, but not now, waiting for more update, thank you so much for making this great information real use, i really appreciate it so much!
I got them about two months ago. I have a really small play area and they tend to work really well most of the time, though I have noticed some jittering if they can't see much color. One way I've heard to get around these tracking issues is to have things like art pieces hung up on the wall, which may be a little annoying if you have just a blank room, but for me I have enough stuff and I already make art anyway so I can just use that to work around these issues. My initial setup wasn't too bad either, and these do work exceptionally well once it's all good. I still have yet to figure out how to fix one issue though, and that comes from sitting down so the trackers on my feet only mostly see my white ceiling. When this happens they sometimes lose tracking.
Also for the calibration figure 8, I just do it once at the beginning and only with a single tracker before even putting them on my body. Never needed to recalibrate during a session.
The Vive Utlimate trackers have the main problem that they dont like Cold White light at least for me. If I use Warm White light everything is running very good but if i switch to Cold White light it gets a lot worse. And a little Tipp if you want to have good Tracking with these you should use standable full body estimation so you can use Mixed tracking its very good. Yea I undestand that making your first maps can be very annoying but its worth it overall. (at least for me :] )
I really hope a Valve Index 2 with lighthouse support comes out... I like how good the Vive 3.0s are and don't wanna give that up for a standalone alternative.
Appreciate the review! Newbie in the VR tracking world, so learning what I can before taking the pricy plunge and use with my Q3 in PCVR mode.
Thanks for sharing this. Still gonna wear my 12 slimeVR and press a button every now and then to yaw reset my drift. But one day I will jump to something elese. The price for these atm are just to high and the beta... ( Pico 4 user and jump around A LOT)
Awesome video and info. Thanks, ill consider them in the future.
Ivy... do I need to remind that using figure 8 to give exact distance and bearing is the bread of butter of bees?
So my conclusion is that they have to work a bit more on the tracking software in poor lighting condition and adjust the calibration process to be more precise.
See i live in an apartment and i really dont want to deal with the whole messy set up for 3.0 trackers so when i first saw these i got all excited and planned to get them but the reviews…. The amount of issues it has😭 i have never had fbt before and these seemed worth it till now. I just dont want to deal with buying all the extra things needed for the 3.0 trackers (base stations, base mounts, straps, etc). But that may be my only choice
i have been heavily considering these as they sound like the exact middle ground between slime/mocopi and lighthouse tracking
i personally do not wish to go through spending 1k on lighthouse tracking and neither do i think i would bother with slime/mocopi as they also require a lot of messing around to work
any idea how these hold up against slime/mocopi in terms of trickyness to use?
slimes are actually pretty good with tracking, mine track my body with relative accuracy, sometimes my feet can be off maybe by 5 inches or so (which for me is alot because im a perfectionist when it comes to tracking) other than the good tracking the constant recalibration can be a pain in the ass recalibrating maybe every 10-20 minutes for me, it could be because i have older trackers as ive heard the new ones dont have that issue (youll need to recalibrate every hour with brand new ones)
I had these 2 months. Use them everyday. I luv them so much
what VR are you using them with ?
i have a quest 2 and currently have vive 3.0's
when they are ironed out of bugs more I will definately be interested in them. hopefully by then i'll have gotten a quest 3 as well
That's fascinating
Hi this may seem like an annoyance and extra expense but OpenSpace VR Calibrator has a branch with continuous tracking, so if you get an extra tracker and just strap it to the headset it will constantly calibrate your quest play space to your calibrated trackers
That way you don’t have to figure eight controllers, but they definitely are work in progress and seem to have the hardware in them to continuously improve. Vive messed up on the XR Elite and made the hardware so limited that although software is so much better now, the hardware just can’t keep up, hoping vive did things right here.
2:52 "Once per session"
...That alone is too much. I'd prefer 'once and you're done' (aka the tracking data is saved).
Doing the dumb figure 8, every time I wish to play VRChat, feels stupid. And what if the program crashes? It'll likely be seen as another session.
Hard pass, Vive.
Try some camera filters on them, I know using some on the Quest 3 outside helped when used it.
Your electric pannel seems to be a commander. If it is, i would recommend looking it up. They sometimes get caught on fire. If you have the possibility, i would recommend a square D or siemens. Thanks for the video brotha!!
Nice Vid, I wanted to get some and use with the Crystal Light soon but dam not a plug n play I guess
I can’t stop listening to DATA_REJECT
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i love how ivysaid "make sure to leave a dislike" :D
not
' make sure to like and subscribe' 🤓
Yeah, there needs to be a better way to calibrate, other than the figure-8 with Open VR Space Calibrator. It's a total pain, every single time, even with Vive 3.0's. And even when you spend all that time calibrating and setting up, like you mentioned, then don't even align correctly in virtual space. They are almost always off by like 6 inches. It's infuriating and on top of that, they drift throughout a session and your avi body bends in half and flies away, constantly with this whole whiplash/ rubber band-type motion. Vive needs to finally integrate native software for Quest systems 2 and 3. I've had FBT for like 2 years and I never use it, because it's so jank. Also, when you put the controllers down by the waist tracker it causes your avi to totally spazz out. It's not worth the hassle most of the time. I'll wait until they fully support these and get everything ironed out.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm just now looking into trackers for my Q3, so all comments help a newbie like me.
I'm having a really hard time finding an answer for this, but does the Track ultimate kit come with the straps? they don't show up in bundle info and they aren't on the site.
They dont, you need to get them extra
OMG SO EXCITED
I absolutely LOVE the idea to get one of my own but besides the horriblely expensive price, i need to get a much better pc first.
I have a gaming laptop, 40gb 3200mhz ram, 11th gen i7 and rtx 3050 ti laptop gpu. Its good dont get me wrong, im hella proud of it being my first self bought pc but, i have to optimize my pc perfectly for simi decent vr proformance on my quest 2 lol. So i should get a better pc first.
Wouldnt continuous calibration work if you bought 4 of the trackers and attached one of them to the headset? This would negate the need for figure 8's, though that's presuming the tracking quality is good enough to begin with.
honestly, if I got these at discount with all the bugs and weird quirks, I would put up with it💀
my boundary for my quest is already screwed as there's my entire room in the boundary space🙏
Why not 2 SteamVR 2.0 base stations and 3 Vive 2.0 or Tundra pucks for the same cost? You’d still do figure eights but never lose tracking as long as your play area is clear of occlusions.
I have that setup but I’m planning on switching to ultimate trackers due to less occlusion and I just don’t want base stations if I don’t absolutely need them I think they are old technology and will become irrelevant eventually.
As someone who lives in a rented apartment, part of my lease says I can't mount things to the walls with screws (I have since broken this for my Sonu Elite Pulse headset mount), but for situations like that, where you can't use base stations, this would be your only option that isn't IMU based trackers.
@@HylianKnight02you can easily stick them to the wall or if your play space allows just have a stand
Oh so they now work on every headset not just vive focus 3 and vive de elite
I've been looking all over for a review of these trackers when I found out the release of them. I've been super hesitant of getting it cause of the price and the quality since I use a quest 2 with HaritoraX full body. This really shined on the issues that will be apparent and I really appreciate it!
Super paper mario music, les gooo
Real
To Aid with tracking, could you not just paint like a 2 ft tall stripe of purple and gray diamonds around the room?
Perhaps. I heard colorful wall stickers work too, but I'm new so IDK.
Do they function on infra red? Sometimes the quest will do the same for me in my room, yet when my housemates light candles in the hallway my quest practically never complains about it. I don't suggest candles but maybe something can help relating to that?
how do you use the light houses for FTB?? ive been searching for a way today that forever
yea if you're looking to get into the tracking game, or upgrade to ultimate trackers, don't. They're by far the WORST trackers iv ever used, and for 600 dollars you can just get tundra's or the vive 3.0's with base stations included and get the same or even better tracking quality. I don't know who is setting the prices over there but they need to be fired, genuinely. Basic movement with the ultimate's seem like a task, if you move in the wrong way say goodbye to the tracking, it get's considerably worse at night time too, honestly feels like IMU'S using them.
So if you want FBT, I strongly suggest tundra's or vive 3.0s, easy to set up, reliable and is what most "VR enthusiasts" use across the board, don't waste your time and money on ultimate's.
ah its similar to setting up with phones xD
doing figure 8. I had only two good phones to do that. but.... one phone looses power under 4 hours :P it was old
I dont have any of these problems people are so called having with the trackers and i even have a ir flashlight that helps the cameras have a brighter room and ao i cam use my quest headset and vive trackers at night in the dark and it works amazing.
I didn't know this guy had a main channel. Just listened to his music lol
What if you have a smaller room?
I can't even get these things to connect to begin with. I lose tracking any time I turn away from my computer. The one time I managed to get them into a ready state I immediately lost tracking once I got them on my legs and hip and could not regain them even after holding them to my computer. these things are just a nightmare to use and I can't even get them into a state where they're even remotely ready to enter VR with.
Would not recommend, I couldn't even get them to work on the most basic level.
WAIT THIS IS IVY?!?!?!?
IFFFFF you get them to work they work really well. BUTTTTTT getting them to work is incredibly frustrating
Tis it twas expensive 3:
Had to return them sadly😢 Tracking was awfull at many sessions. The setup is really not that great eather. They need to put alot of work into it and maybe I will rebuy it when everthing got fixed.
Vive/Steam lighthouse tracking is technically inside-out too since devices track themselves. The only outside-in tracking systems are original Oculus and PSVR.
can u use them on quest 2?
do they work for Quest 2?
I didn't didn't like the video, so I didn't leave a dislike, obviously x3
I like these (I also kinda like the whole "hackyness" about them), but I can't afford them sadly
hi do they need steam base station??
Your dumb.
Il va dans la matrixe
So... "Not yet."
Maybe a year later i guess.
These were the biggest waste of money I've ever spent my cash on. Get yourself some slime VR trackers. They work amazing and are far simpler to use.
Sell me yours?
This will definitely cost a bajillion dollara
The 3 pack costed 600
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@@ArcticAruaouch
Alright. Here the list is, two months late.
Total amount of "track" related words said: 41
Tracker: 9x(+1)
Trackers: 10x
Tracking: 19x
Track: 3x
Extra info:
One "track" was actually part of "re-track", which people may consider a different word because of the hyphen.
One "tracking" was part of "self-tracking", which once again may be seen as a different word.
The +1 next to "tracker" was included from the comment Ivycomb left themselves on the video, but I thought it should count but still be pointed out.
The word "tracks" also did not show up in the video at all.
Tracking was the most used "track" word, with trackers and tracker being second and third respectively. (They are tied if you include the "tracker" in Ivycomb's comment.) While "tracker" and "tracking" were battling for the top spot throughout the first half of the video, "tracking" far overtakes it in the second half of the video.
Do you need a 4th one for the playspace calibration if you have a quest?
did you not watch the video
Rainworld.
Hi ivy
"the best trackers on the market rn!" *lists a ton of issues*
This is the state of VR overall right now.
I stand by that these are the best **when they work.** They often don't. The tracking quality is phenomenal but they're held back severely by the fact that the VR ecosystem is disjointed
Hi
Brightness is to low? Light the cameras, not the room) blind these duckers)))
UwU
Hit the gym get off the games 😂
He's actually working out by using vr lmaooo
@@binkygarretson228
Exactly.
useless
Why do u say that?
I immediately thought of that Mario phone meme 🤣
Does it work w quest 2