2015 Personality Lecture 04: Heroic & Shamanic Initiations II: Mircea Eliade
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- The drama of allowing old presuppositions die, and new ones emerge, was represented in heroic and shamanic initiations and then in drama and story long before it was rationally articulated by modern psychoanalysts and psychologists.
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I wish my professors had this level of really deep internalized understanding of their fields, most of them are too full of themselves to realize that they're not truly as proficient as they think. The world genuinely needs more teachers and professors like this
Agreed. My professors were good, but just good...precious few reach for greatness.
Too achieve that goal I think education should give a lesser importance to marks and graduations, and rather encourages risk taking by letting you create your own knowledge in your own way on an invididual and autonomous long-term work-learning.
Most professors are boring because they consider being graduate as sufficient, which they were always being told when they were students. Having good marks or being deeply interested in knowledge isn't the same thing
Hessen
Also, not all psychology professors tried mushrooms. Peterson looked at things from various different perspectives.
@@Lightnings Ha I didn't know he tried mushrooms, cool thing for sure
Many are, but I had really good profs too. Profs who enlightened me and inspired me to push myself beyond my known limits
As i Romanian I love this man. As a human I adore him. A blessing
Vocea ratiunii intr-o lume nebuna 🤟
As a student of psychology I appreciate this man. As student of philosophy I am awed by his endless curiosity and exceptionally broad knowledge. As a daily meditator I feel sorry for him.
Chiar asa! Ne trebe mai multi ca el.
I am sincerely grateful for these lectures we can watch for free. I wish we could see the visual presentations too.
24:00 "you should take a good look at your unconscious structure there, bucko"
Parker Burchett BUCKO
So much new stuff, I feel like a mouse in a cheese shop.
I feel like calm rat with endles amount of cocaine available
Mouse in a peanut butter shop is a better illustration 😂
or a rat in a cocaine shop
Or a human in a cocaine shop
Feckin myth addicts
These lectures are blowing my mind, putting a lot of information I've studied before into context and filling in a lot of blank spots. Thanks for posting your material on youtube.
from 44:18 to 50:00 he basically says what he is going to do later with regards to the pronouns controversy. That's some consistency there professor !
elevencyan practice what you preach
elevencyan Even more so now!!!
Yeah, I noticed that too. Still though, it's too bad he doesn't have a clear clip explaining himself on the subject.. The clips where he states his rational are a bit hard to follow. Also he's attracted this hoard of sexist meat head fans, -but maybe a blessing if they end up actually watching his lectures the way through? It would be great to produce a clear clip stating his rational of systems and the particular issue + a shout out to females like- "I'm not saying y'all are chaotic it's like the metaphor for each of us etc". I wish he would go into more detail about the feminine side rather than the simplification "women know what to do/men need to be told". That's like.. a lot of pressure lol
meatheads who are learning not to listen to snide comments :)
Jordan slamming down a can of soda, those were the days!
54:18 I desperately needed to hear this in Highschool.
amen
"You should take a good look at your unconscious structure there bucko!" Lol. Ya gotta love these lectures :) Seriously though, they're packed with deep and useful insights. Well worth the time to watch.
I'm filled with giddiness watching these lectures. Thanks for sharing! #powerful #JRE
I got turned on to his lectures the same way!
I am giddy with happiness watching these lectures as well
J Peterson, the man that stuck with his word.
When I read nietzsche, I found I couldn't really read stories afterwards for around a year because he did something to my brain that made stories uncompelling and irrelevant. It was like a weird magic had been done to my brain/ self.
The same thing happened to me at first as well. I think it's just that he's so compelling in his mannerisms that nothing else is that intriguing. The only other thing I had found interesting was Aion, which is basically as interesting as a book can be! I fucking love Nietzsche, he's so aggressive and based that absolutely nothing can survive his criticisms without needing and entirely new evaluation, plus, his insults are fucking hilarious.
Which book would you recommend reading first?
I like how he wished he had more time for the lecture at the end of video. It shows the real care he puts into his work and that lecturing is not a simple job to him.
This dude helps me so much to understand how to navigate my own thoughts. Thank u man.
Dr. Peterson describing the totalitarian world that’s evolving around us nine years ago.
This is some holy stuff. Thanks for sharing it.
Take a bow JP! This entire playlist on 'personality' is brilliant, it truly opens the mind.
I'm addicted to JBP lectures...is it possible some addictions are actually beneficial? Help...but you're already helping.. but but...
Listen to then while you clean, wash, do chores - then it is amazing .
Awakening!!! Thank God for people like you
4:58 The Hero,
Beneficial Productive Individual.
6:09 Incitation Ceremonies.
7:38 Mother and Father.
8:34 Unknown, Explored to Unexplored Territory.
9:28 How can you deal with what you do not understand?
10:04 Car Accident “Time Slowing Down” Experience.
11:00 Flags are Patriarchal Symbols.
11:45 Situationally Transformable. Undefinable In Isolation.
*Institutional Weight*
13:43 University
17:00 Peter Pan
• Pure Potential
19:23 Captain Hook 🪝
• Tyrant Coward
20:37 Joseph Stalin
• Father Tyrant, King of Hell.
Ideology uses Symbolic Categories to make their statements.
22:14
Watching these lectures makes me want to leave a profound comment,
Me like!
Thank you Dr Peterson for posting these lectures. I have listened to many of your podcasts and listened to 12 rules for life. I'm finding this series utterly compelling and useful for self reflection and decision making. I find your work tremendously motivating in my Christian faith and helpful for understanding more about myself and the world and how to go about my day with purpose and awareness. Thank you for your bravery.
astonishingly good lectures!
brilliant lectures! especially like the existentialism ones. words coming from an engineering major trying to find out more!
would you go back in time and change your major?
good question! i would, but i would still choose an engineering major. i like the practical side of knowledge as much as the theoretical one. its very hard to marry the two together, unfortunately, though
Stephanos Kythreotis indeed...
@@stephanoskythreotis3936 is there something you learned that you can tell to a person that is close to your situation,me , that is beneficial?
i think i need to learn about it.
It is very interesting to watch Jordan Peterson teeter, as he breathlessly disgorges and unpacks his information, between the order and chaos he is explicating.
"Are you jesus christ and all the saints combined!" Beautiful.
He's talking about initiation so yes at some point in that path you are.
Meanwhile I'm reading your name like... regal eagle? Eagle legal? I dunno something about eagles!
Never came across anything life-changing like this. Thank you so much Dr. Peterson for this illuminating and invaluable course. I'm really grateful!
Jordan Peterson is brilliant such a wonderful professor ❤
Dr. Jordan Peterson, I watched a part of this lecture on THE BESTS channel. The video was about having a balanced life between the chaos that interests you and the social structure that keep you in order. I find this very interesting and helpful. I want to say thank you. :)
Hi Jordan,
We cannot see the movies or pictures, would you please put them in a link attached to your weblog or somewhere !
BTW, it is awesome lectures thanks a lot :)
i have the same sentiments, but he does a fine job of describing them and their significance.
Emad A.Maleki think it’s due to copyright infringement
This is an older video. I think newer videos are better at showing illustrations and videos.
oldSchoolE does the IE stand for inland empire?
@@richardrice8195
Na-nu Na-nu 🖖, Namaste🙏, and Aloha🤙!!!
I am currently unsure where in this 1.5 hour ("roughly speaking") lecture the understanding of "i.e." is not able to be gleaned from context clues, BUT... I see a wonderful opportunity to share something potentially useful irregardless of actual applicability to properly answering your query:
theoatmeal.com/comics/ie
Also, kudos to not hiding behind an anonymized moniker, Mr. Rice.
I hope all is (and continues ad infinatum to be) copacetic in your multiverse.
24:03 HE SAID IT! HE SAID THE THING!
Absolutely an incredibly educational lecture. 1000 thanks.
Your lectures grip me . They tow the perfect line between Balance and chaos !
05:04 what is "hero"
09:28
11:06
14:50 the bipolar value of culture
21:59
25:20
27:16 tao symbol
28:16
29:49
32:50
38:33
42:20 wow
46:02
48:14 just say no.
1:09:43 heroic story -> 1:10:44
1:11:22 observations of potential
1:13:52
44:50 Political Correctness, at this point I don't think you ever guessed you'd have to deal with that conversation so often, thanks for your lectures!
we live in a world flooding with missinformation that is quicker to point the finger at someone that to sit and listen to their arguments, there are many things to learn from this man.
People just forgot how to say no
Love the alchemy throughout...
Ive watched as many JP vids as I can find, like a dozen times. EVERY TIME I WATCH, I LEARN MORE! REALLY! EVERY TIME!!!!
fucking amazes me
At about 49 minutes, Jordan warns the class not to be bullied in the workplace. He predicts exactly his own future at that same university. He's telling the kids not to take any ish, which is exactly the rule he followed when the time came.
This one is great!!! JP was pretty good at his apex.
You mention the experiment where people (volunteer psychophysics or neuroscience students, so no ethical issues!) bungee jumped to test their perceptions. They had watches which displayed flashing numbers at different frequencies and were supposed to test if they could actually see the sensory inputs at a faster rate. The key finding of the study was the opposite of what you mentioned. The falling students did not in fact operate at a faster rate than stationary students, even though they afterwards reported the feeling of time slowing down. This is an example which is now a staple of behavioural psycholology, where the memory of perception changes as a function of the context, but the real-time-reported experience does not. Just drawing your attention in case nitpickers nab you for this one. Otherwise, to me, all you say is true (in both senses you mention) ;) Very grateful for your doing this. journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0001295
At about 42:20 he explains why reading to people is so much less effective than talking to them, maintaining a rapport with them. I decided long ago that I could either read to people or talk to them and I decided to talk to them, from notes but extemporaneously. That way I did forget some things that I had intended to include but I also allowed myself to add in things that I hadn't prepared for. And I was able to connect with them.
The idea of "attention" is especially interesting here. Would love to hear more on this topic.
56:03 I want to know what that weird thing around the head is. lol
One of the best video !!!
I’m fairly certain the video he plays about two minutes in is a modified version of the Heider-Simmel Illusion, which you can Google and see the original video from the 1940s.
My "order of the world" was that we were all this thing together. Now that I see that we aren't all in this together I need to remodel my world view and I don't know how to do this.
"Mom, I love you."
Mom: "It's not obvious to me that you A C T like it."
🤣🤣🤣
Imagine INTPs finding professor Peterson's channel
thank you Jordan Peterson
In this lecture you hear one of his first iterations of “clean your room first”…!
Amazing! Thank you!
Jordan, you look like you're on the verge of losing your mind back here, and you down that Coke like an addict haha. You're like a madman, that's how we know you speak the truth.
I feel like "true" rationality does not favour a single view point, the older i get the more i realise that the world is capable of holding many complexed view points that at first appear contradictory but are in fact true.
Watching in 2022 there's a huge difference between JBP then and now. I love the passion and insight. It seems JBP got negatively affected by the circus around him. I guess this is what getting into a non-stop partisan, ideological warfare does to a person.
48:40 I wish I had encountered this video when it was released.
Thanks.
Just finished watching the first part of these lectures, should I read something before getting to the second part?
I totally empathize with the flip chart woman. It is why I cannot work in offices. Sanity requires self employment. Integrity requires it.
We aim for Paradise but always find a degree of Dystopia. The journey and adventure is worthwhile whatever.
57:18 I didn't even need to hear more than 2 seconds and knew straight away it was who framed roger rabbit.
What is the video?
I would say that I had a few moments of epiphany in my life, each of them have changed me. Each of them was caused by some moment charged with emotions. I think life is some kind of story we take part in. It depends on us how much we are a creator in it
Satch a shame so many visuals that you can't see
Would be grate if it will be possible to see them
10x :)
Casual conversation: Hello, what is your representation of your current state of being ?
The last half of this is SO predictive!!! I hope you have a plan for the continued struggle against the runnaway PC crap comong from your gov't
Being:what your experience as counsious creature
4:52, 6:43, 12:14, 13:31, 19:20, 23:08, 26:56, 28:32, 29:37, 31:27, 33:39, 38:07, 39:30, 40:30, 41:31, 43:43, 46:29, 47:32, 50:05, 51:44, 52:30, 1:01:45, 1:02:56, 1:10:46, 1:15:19, 1:17:35
can you link to the visual aids you use?
Awesome
It is unfortunate that there aren't pictues to see, though I am still very grateful
00:38:00
"For most people, if they don't have a substantial amount of external structure and routine, they just fall apart. They don't sleep properly, they don't eat properly, they're depressed. It's tremendously effortful to continually reinvent yourself day after day, so there's some real utility in routine and social identity. Jung would say that the part of you that has adapted to routine and social identity is the "persona", and sort of the mask you wear in public. It might even be who you think you are. And he thought that people who were only persona were dangerous, because they were thoughtless advocates of the system for which they stood. But he also believed that people who had no persona were in an equally terrible situation, because they're psychologically chaotic because they don't have the social structure around them to reign them in and continually remind them how to be sane and productive. So it's a matter of balance. There's horrors on both sides. And there's advantages on both sides. The trick is to place yourself in a location where you're deriving maximum advantage from both. And you'll be able to tell if you're doing that because, if you *are* doing that, you're going to find your life engaging and meaningful enough, so the fact that it's also tragic and potentially composed - at least partially - of slavery, is going to be acceptable. And that's the goal, in some sense. And it's hard to do that, but, you know, it's hard not to do it, too, so, you're screwed either way. So you might as well pick the path that's going to be of maximal utility to you, and hopefully to everyone else."
56:40 Watched it so many times as a kid, I knew immediately what movie and scene it was.
What is it?
@@allenwarren1269 who framed Roger rabbit, valiant stands at the tunnel entrance to toontown about to drink whiskey but instead pours it out on the pavement throws it in the air and shoots it with his toon gun, the bullet is native American and shatters it with a tomahawk
@@almighty1984 Thanks. I saw that. Wow so many representations of archetypes when we know what to look for. My heart goes out to Jordan. He has given us more than we expected. Already a great legacy.
@@almighty1984 Down is the only way up.
Goddarn great vidya. +1 I definitely have to get this series on more often.. Now I have two series to watch! +1+1+1+1+1+1
44:30. I'm Filipino. In my childhood during the early 90s, I remember my father (and probably other adults around me) using the word "flip" (pronounced more like "plip") as an insult, implying that someone is crazy or "cuckoo" - suggesting their brain or thinking is "flipped". As an adult, I no longer hear it. However, I have been living separately from my parents since I went to uni, so I'm not sure if he still uses it.
The term likely originated during the US colonial period in the Philippines (1900s to 1940s). That was a long time ago, and I don't think the original pejorative meaning is still part of our national consciousness.
23:40 Nailed it!
52:14
"part of _____ parent", I'd appreciate if you guys could spell the word for me, can't understand what is the word, nor that I was able to find the phrase in google search.
I think he talks about "oedipal parent" ( it cames from the name Oedipus - the character from greek mythology - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus )
I'm waiting for the revelation of the complexity of the Joker and Batman.
He is not teaching Taoism, he is teaching his own stuff.
Was it wrong? Not my religion so I'm asking.
~35:00 - ~56min
1:15:27 I can't catch the name. Who does he mentions?
Yes dad
Everyone needs to listen to the part starting around 46:00 minute. I think we are seeing the consequences of not doing this now in society.
wish we could see the slideshow
I'm sure your daughter doesn't know that much about metamorphosis yet, but the BUG dragging out the freshly grown-up boy really rings a bell.
Could anyone elaborate on the identity of the bug?
Francis Koira It bugs her.
@1:10:52 epic knuckle crack straight into next topic.
7:52 yes
What is the video at 57:00?
Could someone find me the Stalin poster with the almond-shaped flaming doorway? I mean I think it is hilarious what he doesn't say about it.
Peterson talks such utter nonsense about Stalin - contrary to his amazing other things to tell. There are no killed Ukranians, whoever was killed was by Hitler.
If only he had a time machine.
PTSD is also caused by sexual assault, stalking and bullying to a victim. The victim gets blamed many times because the predator needs a scapegoat because they are wrong in behavior which they know but will not admit. I reject married men who advance on me and I despise men who lie.
1:16:00 for title
Holy fucking shit Jordan
holy shit that little kid's dream was intense!!
24:00 LMAO
dear leslie go back to 13:00 for an understanding of statistics
I 100% agree with challenging stupid nonsense in a corporate environment, I've found that if you're able to elaborate your argument logically without emotion (which is harder than it seems because some of the shit is absolutely infuriating) then people will tend to agree and respect you for speaking up. And yes, the earlier the better because once the hamster wheel gets rolling then it's harder to stop. Do you think this is something people can learn to do? I'm not the type of person that fears confrontation, it seems like others reeeeeaally get freaked out by any sign of disagreement.
I am one of those people, I absolutely hate confrontation, especially with an authoritative figure. I've been trying to figure it out, and for a while I thought that it may be linked to my father's parenting techniques, but I have never made progress in finding that answer. It's definitely a fear. A fear of what is the answer.
You are the best and i Think like you ,
lol at 56:10 you hear all the girls laughing at him
35:00 1:11:00
🔥😎
1:13:45