2015 Personality Lecture 10: Humanism: Carl Rogers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.พ. 2015
- Carl Rogers was a great believer in the wisdom of the body, an idea approximately equivalent although more concrete than Carl Jung's idea of the Self. He was an advocate of the therapeutic utility of genuine, honest communication, and a pioneer of the idea of self-actualization.
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I'm so happy that I have many hours of Jordan Peterson lectures ahead of me.
And the lectures are so versatile, and relevantly informative, that you can watch each one as many times as you like and still find something new.
I often find myself having “shower thoughts” while listening to JBP
(those highly open, sometimes revolutionary ideas one typically gets while in a warm shower)
A true and proud Anglo-Saxon man, Jordan Peterson is. I am happy, pure blooded Anglo-Saxon man like Jordan Peterson exist, so they can educate us and bless the world with their superior knowledge and insight.
For Free ( as long as the "Biden administration" allows his videos to be on internet)
Same, same. 🥹👍😎🔥
I have gone through your 2015 "Maps of Meaning" and am slowly working through these lectures as well. I have found immense insight into my life after watching these. I also had a deep conversation with a desperate friend last week, and did nothing other than truly try to listen, and then repeat in the proper form what I had heard here. It was a moving experience, and I think made both of us better people, while helping him with issues that were deep seated. There have been other discussions I have had with other people, at least one of which had me send someone who was interested to this channel. What I am trying to say is thank you, but I just wanted to put a little context behind what those two words mean. For every person willing to put in the time to listen to these lectures, there are so many more people that can benefit.
+Jordan B Peterson I wish I had more to give back, but at the least I can tell you that what you do matters to me, and ultimately those around me. Keep doing what you do!
bv what lectures have benefited you the most?
I'm going through a divorce right now and this series has been a life safer. I'm not being hyperbolic
@@wilmingtonlongman Listening to Jordan Peterson seems to imitate the act of having a deep meaningful conversation with someone. Your personality transforms during those conversations. Its healing. Jordan Peterson always provides us with cognitive frameworks of a higher efficiency to think in. I feel he has boosted by problem solving capabilities and given us the ability to look at the world at multiple levels of resolution.
Condolences on the divorce. Highest vibrations of loving awareness to you!
@@murraymcgregor7829 I agree. Thanks.
I am fortunate to live in the same age of Dr. Peterson, the most brilliant intellectual and lecturer I have ever encountered. His words and voice have become important and necessary guiding power for my life and survival.
Sam vaknin, check it out
A very interesting side note to the study on the importance of smell (mentioned at 1:00:05) - The women who couldn't accurately detect a symmetrical mate by smelling the T-shirts happened to be the women who were on birth-control. FASCINATING.
Jason Bastin What does he mean by symmetrical mate? Is it literal in the sense that their features are symmetrical which IIRC is the basis for attractiveness, or is it just someone similar in personality(if that's even possible)?
@@BirdBrainViz Ahh interesting and useful question. It is beneficial to find a partner with minimal mismatch in personality.
It would stretch and boggle my mind to learn that smell can also identify a match in personality.
@@BirdBrainViz I’ve seen both definitions be used, but most commonly, it refers to the physical appearance
I will say one thing about JP. I wish I has a Lecturer like him when I was going through my university educations. To date I have not met anyone this inspiring. 4 Degrees, 10 Unis, Local and International. This level of education is very rare. 100% Awesome.
38:00 winning an argument and fixing something are entirely different things. Do you want to win the argument or do you want to fix the situation?
39:00 Rogers thought the therapeutic relationship was therapeutic to the therapist as well. He didn't make distinctions between normal and therapeutic relationships because he thought normal relationships were therapeutic. Also explains why some people don't want to listen: they are or must be changed by the listening.
Great video! Reasons I "liked" it....
"Honest integration matters"....
"Why would anyone think they can bend the structure of reality and get away with it?"....
"The pathway to correction is dialogue/communication"....
"If you're not capable of murderous fantasies, I would actually say there's something wrong with you...There's something missing."
...the example of partners negotiating who should make dinner...
also loved the bent ruler analogy. I hope (and almost believe) this is true.
I like that I can listen to something then realize its important to me then listen to it over and over again until it really sinks in. I hope other people can get to that point. the world will be a better place.
"Docs arent trained that wat but there should be"
Having had a very serious encounter with a psychopathic narcissist, I am so glad that someone is defining and validating that these people are among us. Jordan Peterson's clarity is amazing, congrats to those who took his classes. So fixing the problem and not the blame on the other, requires me/us to help the fumbling critic articulate the real character flaw they trying to bring forward. Wow! We would have be able to discern whether or not that this critic is a narcissist or someone with conscience. If the person is a narcissist the context of an intimate vs casual vs stranger in this situation complicates it for sure, but at some level the core is the same, deception and emotional vampirism. Argument versus an ethical negotiation with a narcissist seems still to be trying to create a mutually beneficial outcome with someone who is a spider in human disguise.
Ctpsd manifestations are just primitive humans and their main goal is usually power and control. They instinctively distrust everyone and are proper mentally ill. This world doesn't make sense to them.. Mafia families would make sense to them. Most mental illnesses are inter compatible with each other as in people with mental illnesses understand the insane but the sane is seen as insane.
Basically boils down to neo cortex dominant humans and limbic system dominant humans.. we're two different human types each very mentally damaging to the other and we don't even know about it.
But in a 100 years hopefully this will be common knowledge and there will be some sort of a solution to it.
Good luck to the ones that aren't aware tho.
@@007lutherking Yep, great reply! "Neo cortex dominant vs mid brain limbic dominant.... two different human types... " Thank You Clarence. I don't know if we will make it 100 years with these ones without conscience at every controlling bottle neck of temporal power. One thing is for sure, these limbic types recognize power and they are not likely to invite a mutually beneficial 'live and let live' resolution between our types. The attitude adjustment alone, for the survival of the species, would require a massive reasoning, where the narcissist type would have to let go of the, "Are you Dinner or am I?", outlook on every human exchange. Fuel, Appliances and no nagging conscience about anything, that is hard thing to give up and grow from.
I’m confident in saying that the lip smacking mouth breather by the camera must be sacrificed to the gods!
Having read Rogers I can't help but think that parts of the description of his person centered therapy are misrepresented. Rather than adopting someone else's perspective it seems as if Rogers wanted to create a space without expectations in which someone could take off the masks they put on to appease other people to find who they are. Whether this makes sense or is reasonable or even possible, it seems as if that is what he thought of his work. And that is where the trope of "and how does that make you feel" comes from. The clinician doesn't or cannot access the mental state, but rather allows the patient to build it (or for him uncover it perhaps), perhaps in the same way you might give a child the room to become themselves. I'm not a psychologist or a clinician, but that's what I remember from reading him years ago.
Your second sentence makes me think of Fritz pearls gestalt therapy. Where you want to dispose of your "phony self"
Yes you are absolutely correct. My diploma was in the theory and practice of person centred counselling. That is exactly what I was taught.
I'm a very big procrastinator and I ususaly leave my responsibilities to the last minute because I strugle to get motivation to do stuff I don't want to and only by nearing the deadline of my responsibilities I start to work on them. However thanks to youtube recomending me random Jordan Peterson's videos about topics that I find interresting I have gain interest in studying and reading articles for my exams because in a way Jordan ends up motivating me to learn about a variety of topics that can then be used to motivate me to study my own articles since I study Psychology and in some way it is all related. So whenever I have to study and read articles I just browse youtube untill eventualy I find a Jordan's video about something that I might find interesting and then I just pause the video when I feel "satisfied" enough and go on to study my own articles for the exams in the hopes of finding there pieces of information as interesting as the information Jordan shares, through his speech in these videos. So in a way he is helping me to find different alternatives to making me study
The whole “Who’s going to make dinner” bit is just golden. Lol.
Someone close to the mic is eating something or moving their mouth and as a trained audio engineer it truly tests the limits of my abilities to focus and absorb any of the information let alone type this comment. 6:00 - 8:00 just kill me it’s brutal
I became acutely aware of someone breathing heavily and smacking their lips together and was looking to see if anyone else noticed this. It triggers an intensely misophonic reaction.
@@DigitalPsyche It irks me that there is a clinical term to define the affliction of a person who reacts in this way, but we lack one to define the utter unconsciousness of the person emitting these hideous noises
I know this is a year old, but I was scrolling through the comments looking for something about the mouth breather/chewer.
I love JBP, but I simply cannot concentrate on anything but The Smacker after I noticed it. Intensely misophonic.
such moist breaths
Worst cameraman vs. best lecturer. I think we are part of an experiment...
Don't you just love listening to subtle smacking sounds of the cameraman's mouth?
As much as I enjoy Dr. Peterson's lectures, this is so distracting XD
I think this is one of Peterson's better lectures. His Dostoevsky summation was superb.
Rewatching these again and I only just picked up on the fact that the students are giving an APPLAUSE AT THE END OF A LECTURE!?!?!?! If you've been to university you know just how insane this is and it goes to show just how deeply meaningful and insightful these lectures are and the appreciation of the journey they take you on
The beyond obnoxious rate of adds must be testament to Dr Peterson's success. I don't remember there being a single one the first time I listened to this lecture
There’s someone that’s really REALLY close to the mic in this video off camera that you can hear breathing into the mic.
The shirt looks like 3D without the glasses.
It’s both positively impressive and saddening this only has 170,000 views. The idea that the self doesn’t understand it’s reflection, and being logically dominant comes with emotional, pathological, impulsive sub currents. That in order to have peace and stability one must attempt to control impulse honestly while aiming at a collective good faith with your companions…. And perhaps against yourself pathologically because the self may not be consciously aware of the motivation behind the behavior…Blind…
Not only has your lecture revealed to me my own blindness, but reveals just how easily blinded one can become if we don’t consider the smallest logical decision. I thank you, and all the referencing authors surviving good faith and efforts.
Some one is chewing on something near the cameras mic and I’m going to throttle them!
Rogers says courage is the prerequisite to actually listening and empathizing. And empathy, more than rational argument, is the thing that can radically change the other person.
Whoever was running the camera ruined this video, I can’t listen to all their breathing, lip smacking and all the other noises that’s driving me insane
Thank you for helping me understand myself Professor
JP has changed my life. Thank-you!!!
I loved this lecture about Carl Rogers and communication aiming up towards long term goals, therapeutic relationships, empathy, and solving problems.
How about just leaving relationships in which one has become an actual babysitter to a narcicist. The mental gymnastics one has to perform to groom a partner into common sense just isn't worth any effort.
Amen to that, Bro, amen to that. Due to my beginnings in life, I was the type that tolerated narcissists and abusive behavior endlessly. I think one of the many vitally important things good parents can do for kids is to educate them about when to write off a narcissistic "friend". For lack of that instruction, a person can suffer tremendously, for decades and decades.
Hi Jordan,
You literally answer the world's questions.
I'm in danger of hero worshipping Jordan Peterson. I must retain my critical faculties...such a cool lecturer and ive known a few. How about this, the second best was male, the rest were female..
Outstanding lecture. The final 3 minutes are GOLD.
Thanks for uploading JP's lecture ♥️
Sarah Polley on the Team Deakins Podcast mentions "unconditional positive regard" as her operating principle when directing actors.
As usual a great lecture! This is inevitable, meaning a "Cappucino & Croissant Caffe` Chat" between Gabor Mate` and Jordan Peterson.
Excellent lectures. Many thanks. Greetings from Cancun Mexico!
Excellent!
'If youve never had murderous fantasies there is something wrong with you.' Paging Ned Flanders.
43:37-49:55 example of a good rogerian discussion abt dealing with family dinner issues
watching the master with his sword her like haha, bang on 3 and everything :) good work!
33:25-34:02 preconditions for therapy: no judgement in the sense of rejection and the both of you must acknowledge something is wrong and that the client voluntarily wants to change
Conciousness is only a mystery if you dont assume its fundamental.
As long as the collection of experiences we call the physical world, that can only be held in conciousness, is treated as a literal reality, then itll always be a mystery with us banging our heads against the wall wondering how it can emerge from the image we call the brain.
Imagine if some of the old greats were alive today; having a dicussion with peterson!They would be facinated by each other (or perhapes hostile)
is it just me or is someone breathing in the background and its super annoying
Way more annoying than breathing, it's a lip smacking chewing sound that makes me crazy.
Its the cam man i think.
High neuroticism, low extraversion
Urghhh, it's nauseating, it's like they are chewing on a pen right next to the mic, sicko!
Jesus it's like ASMR overlay onto the lecture
Who's the guy that sounds like hes eating candy in a closet
Wow! Its hilarious to me that u mentioned the PUA that u follow online, I thought i was the only one that found their tactics fascinating! I read there book when I was freshman in college and found that book to lead to my appeal for psychology. Its really funny how my animalistic obsessions with getting laid led me down a path of academia. Keep up the good work ur really doing a charity by spreading ur precious knowledge/perspective to rest of us!
Is there no lecture 11 for this year?
1:03:00 *most effective agent we know for altering the basic personality structure of the individual*...is to understand and empathize with him. - Rogers
thanks for these uploads!
is the May/Frankl lecture being uploaded?
40:00
Pathway to Correction
“What’s the difference between genuine criticism…and presenting your point…?”
One, your point, is centered around your ego. When you take yourself OUT of the solution, when you’re about WHAT’S RIGHT, instead of BEING RIGHT,
You’ll find YOU’RE RIGHT…very often.
The other is centered around a SOLUTION…PROGRESS.
Making any point about yourself, or a goal for yourself, ruins the POWER OF INTENT, and will fall upon DEAF EARS, with regards to listening parties.
This guy is very smart,intelligent! he loves what is doing!I admire that!He believes and trying to help people.I suppose so! what I am seeing is a exchanging materials goods!probably same one get a kick and find away but that'll happen anyway I think...
Whatever prompted you to record and offer these online.... Just.. Thanks.
at 1:05:00 Jordan talks about an experiment to use during an argument. The exercise was to restate the ideas and feelings of the person who has just spoken and also to have 1 person speak at a time. 100% I use this during complaints processes when I'm speaking with Business Owners, CEO's, Directors, etc. It works. I don't use it as an experiment but mostly as a way to negotiate and de-escalate problems and issues. I get a large amount of positive reinforcement in my abilities of negotiation when I can finesse an angry client into not getting worse and also for finding a solution to their problems and issues.
It's also rewarding. You would be amazed at how far you can get in corporate when you take these issues off line managers, general managers, or directors in your organization. They are the best kind of favors that everyone wants to get rid of. If you equip yourself with this skill, plus do any side projects that others hate, and then over deliver on it, you'll find yourself progressing very far in your career, or in business for that matter.
37:00 good stuff on relationships.
Question: It seems that Jordan is reading some quotes from Carl Rogers. Where can I find this reading material on Carl Rogers? Is it somehow in the lecture notes?
When will the Lacan lecture happen? I'm thinking you'll enjoy that one...
1 tip about who's going to cook dinner. Have a freezer if you can down your basement or wherever and keep a baked ziti or rigatoni or lasagna or two and a couple of uncooked meatloaves that you can pop in the oven. Homemade of course. Then you can put a few baked potatoes in the oven 6 minutes a piece don't go over 15 minutes at a time or you'll blow a fuse. If you cook chili cook two batches and freeze one. You might want to put them in smaller container so you don't have to throw a giant one. Same with spaghetti sauce. Works with homemade soup too, but if you use rice, make sure you use converted or parboiled rice it'll hold its shape and not get mushy. Then there's always the Crock-Pot what a great invention it Cooks while you're out.
Thanks mum.
The nasal breathing and intermittent chewing noises coming from the camera operator finally got the better of my willingness to endure about 20 mins in. Such a shame.
Anyone know if there actually was a study done with conditioning dogs in a such manner?
Neuroticism successfully activated by the cameraman chewing his own saliva.
I wonder though in how far the maxim of always speaking and thinking truth to self and other, with which I sympathise with highly, and the use and abuse of the persona are conflicting concepts. Peterson emphasised that one needs a developed persona in order to function in the social world, however as far as I can see it, the persona looks to be inextricably linked with the implementation of white lies or other more innocent acts of deception. So how does one deal with that?
and then we see that by trying to make things better, it never actually gets better. because its an escape.
The Peter Sage advert is a threat from this criminal crew.
Imagine being graded on the things you learn on youtube. Wouldn't mind in this case.
I am hoping someone can set an exam on Jordan Peterson's lectures and the required readings to enable someone to qualify as a psychologist.
"You might consider that a moral problem"
In the 1st conversation with your student: You could use rationalization and relativistic moralism to convince your self to do the thing you find contradictory with the self of your past and it would lead to anxiety, only if you were identified with the thing you are. If you were identified with the thing that changes, there will be no contradictions with your past self because you are not that anymore. Like saying i guess i am an amoralistic bastard now, no anxiety there. Am i making sense?
hey, any body knows about lecture 11? cant find it anywhere!
I kind of like the ASMR track...who wouldn't.
I shouldn't be saying this, but the last 6 years have really taken a hellish toll on JBP
I dont know you guys, looking at making dinner so logically... now i dont get the joy of arguing 😆
Trying to understand the private world of a psychotic is like starting into the abyss.. look long enough and it'll stare back and you'll be lost in some deep dark frozen pit inside your own twisted brain and then your options progressively become very limited from that point on.
Like solving a puzzle with blindfold on.. You're gonna have to use the eyes and will of your conscience... and if you're lucky enough you wouldn't have so thoroughly corrupted and violated your conscience that it's of little utility to you now. Then God save you and God save whoever you encounter..
Mr. Peterson, I would like to know your thoughts in regards to the increase of empathy and even sort of "humanization" of animals in the last decades, from a psychological point of view
That's "Doctor Peterson" or "Professor Peterson", and don't forget to say "please". That's the way a caballero would speak in English.
I've been really enjoying this 2015 series. However, I can find a number 11. What video from other years should I be watching next to follow on from this one, please?
These are great talks and wonderful 'insight(s)...'Thank you...
We need JP back to save the planet
better is part of duality, and if we associate with duality, we automatically sign up to the cycle of better and worse
Nothing like watching a man with a dignified, high-pitched voice have both sides of the "who is going to cook?" argument at the top of his lungs to reach the back of a shitty university classroom.
I got to cough in a university once. I'm so proud of myself. I sat in on one visiting my cousin.
How come every time I try honesty I get in more trouble? people just used it against you as if it was a chess game.
+Jordan B Peterson English is my second language, but I will write a few lines anyway, Hope you get the gist of my comments. In regards to a way of being honest, it surely refers to a dynamic and respectful ongoing stance towards others and your self, but also I would like to ad courage. Hiding, cheating or the like dishonest characteristics have much to do with fear, to me dishonesty can be represented with a mask, and the mask is not only supportive of criminal intent, but arises from an almost instinctive desire for survival... dishonest individuals in many instances are protecting their fragile core unable/unwilling to invest enough life on a common path with others or self for that matter... ? Your lectures are incredibly clear, interesting, important and coherent, at least this is so for me...thanks so very very much!! and best wishes to you :))
+Hiba AlMasri Hi. It sounds like some of the people you are interacting with are being manipulative. Thats always difficult. Its best to give those people a wide birth!
Is your first language French, or Spanish?
Patrick Bigoness Arabic :) is it so clear that English is not my first language?
No, it's just a habit of mine to try to see if I can tell by syntax and stuff. Your English writing is actually better than many born speaking English.
It's interesting to me though that I thought I detected Spanish. Becuase Arabic has a huge etymological influence on Spanish
1:02:01 Psychological technique
remember he's talking about the English language, in many other languages they speak of all this and more
11:00 JP follows pickup artists online!
is someone slowly breathing at the mic? or is it just me noticing
1:02:25
I fucking love this video
Look at the comments to see funny commentary about the tangent into who cooks dinner, sees comments about the chewing, now I only hear chewing. Damnet.
29:31 bookmark
I can never see the comments I post on my books. Weird.
51:03
I don’t believe anyone for a second if they say they don’t have at least ONE murder fantasy.
I love this lecture but the person who recorded it keep breathing and making sounds into the mic and it takes me out of it, I can't concentrate😫
Whoever keeps coughing that disgusting cough STOOOOP IM TRYING TO LEARN
Great lecture except for the person filming's constant gum chewing noise
Damn
I thought Rogers was more of a Buddhist....?
What were you reading in school?
Now i know what looking for,excuse
fuck me, some dude is really having a good meal in there
Theres a guy breathing in the camera... What a creep!
thats my line.
DUDE NO SPOILER!!! 30:02
Sounds like someone is chewing into the mic LOL
Unfortunately it is a major pet peeve of mine and it actually fills me with a fair amount of rage to hear someone chewing gotta skip this one.. I really was looking forward to hearing about Roger's too. Shame.
9:20
Is it just me or is the speaker picking up on sounds from another person? It sounds like chewing gum or a stuffy nose; very distracting.
TH-cam. How dare you interfere with the flow of thought with pointless adds. Like injecting adds into music, completely destroying its beauty. But hey, that just business, right.....I'm sure you just don't give a damn...