If u go back 10Yrs ago Tom was free money every time he posted anything. But bookies put a stop to that. & 💯 Tom has the inside Scoop DOES NOT MEAN HE LETS EVERYONE NO. 😉
Honestly reminds me of the scam in Minder with the list of horses. Phone up the number, all get given any high price in the race, someone will win and keep subscribing the other suckers have already lost at the first hurdle(pun intended). But Arthur (or Tom in this case) doesn’t care as they’ve already been paid(winners paid a small commission).
Please comment on all those people employed by ITV etc. also employed by bookmakers a clear conflict of interest which should not be allowed. Great work
@greencell. Yip them days have gone defo. Miss the days when u could get a ok bet on @ price during festival @ Weekends. 😢Long gone now. And there so bloody quick to move anything that has a sniff off cash for it
Racing is going down the pan, gambling is not fun anymore prices are so doctored,and getting on a bet is such a demoralising waste of time especially a decent sized bet.The days of enjoyable racing have long gone this"sport" is just commercial exploitation and it is constantly being exposed for misdemeanors and rough trading.
It certainly is, but at least know the stitch-up you're walking into. Many don't even realise so hopefully they are aware now and can make their own decision.
Completely agree with you,Mr Segals only obligation is to give his good faith opinion on the particular race.His selections are a matter of record and his profit/loss,there for all to see.Whether you follow his advice or not is up to you.there is no "scam" here.
It seems fair to me to give tips in the big races of the day. The market is better able to absorb likely investments. Don't forget about all the other tipsters are giving tips in the said big races, including their naps sometimes. It would be interesting to know of his success rate if he could cherry-pick all and any races. If he did this, it could lead to a price collapse in lesser grade or small field races. Hey ho.
The number one problem in gambling is gambling sites will not give you the option of self excluding from slot machines/casino alone. Most people will not have a problem sports or horse betting but could be wiped out by slots. Its such an easy thing for them to implement and a discussion I’ve had with them for about 15 years but it is so sinister that they won’t. They are 2 completely separate vices, one is infinitely more controllable than the other
R watchwater totally agree with you enjoy a .net on horses but many times out all my dough on these machines.asked to be excluded from them but not horses.no can do they say. Hate those machines
Yet the RP and the like leave out the facts that have been put forward that sport should be seperated from those other formats you talk of. Maybe their sponsors had something to do with it?
The big feature races are always going to be the ones that are more popular, that's what people want. He gives good advice and his views of whatever race he does, you can check his win/loss at any time, and you have the choice to follow him or not. He is not putting up horses because he knows they are going to lose, so what's the problem. The interview was honest and open, wasn't trying to cover anything up. The criticism should be with the bookies taking away the option to have a bet as easy on Tom's tips. They used to revert to the prices printed in the racing post over night for a ten/fifteen minute period in the mornings . One of the top bookies stopped doing this at one point but soon went back to the policy, but over a period of months they all stopped this practice.
Wonder if the bookies know these tipsters (Tom segal, Hugh Taylor, upping the ante etc) selections before they are posted to public so they are servilely “under” on the the price and the price advertised is rarely or never even available in the first place. Then post there results in the prices that were never there🤦🏻♂️ HUGE SWINDLE lol. Great video!
I know Hugh Taylor likes the all weather tracks so i picked a day when there was only one all weather meeting and opened every race on the Betfair site. I used a screen recorder to record the prices. The price dropped before the horse was named on ATR.
@@peterbergman2131 - Savvy traders and punters have software which continually refresh Hugh's article to recognise the instant the tip is available, their software then automatically places a bet on the betfair market (they fight amongst themselves). You won't be able to get the betfair price by hand.
It’s a quick turnaround. Tom was on ITK for the Dublin racing festival and him and Paul Kealy recommended conflated in the Irish gold cup at 50/1, which I jumped on, by the morning couldn’t get anything better than 20s, was ridiculous. Tipsters like Tom know their stuff I feel, the bookies and papers are using their reputation to entice you and it taints them in a way
30 years ago someone explained PW to me. In those days it was hard to get all the prices the night before and PW was just picking out errors. So four books have something at 10/3 7/2 and one has it at 5. You put it up at 5. In those days the shops would lay early prices to customers up to 10.15 (15 minute window) to 10 or 25 pounds. It’s not massively clever but people would generally get a bet. There weren’t as many races priced up early. Now prices are so fluid no one gets the price.
Lots of tipsters behave like that. I pointed out that most of HT's tips were actually arbs if you could get the price even... my god the abuse I got for it. Hilarious given those surrounding HT say things like 'dirty arbers' and all that.
I've notice that myself following one Tipster for a while. He had a fairly large subscribed following. 9/10 the Horse would shorten by a few points, then would often drift back out to the original advised price on opening board prices. I said to my brother, if you got on the price at the right time, they were all just easy back and lays... I think the same case could be made for any other Tipster with a large following.. They would certainly shorten the price initially everywhere just from the shear amount going on to each horse. More the natural process of it all, and people just then taking advantage of the obvious price swing each time.. We saw a lot of Bookies online stop offering best odds the evening before. In turn they all eventually stopped. Before these price swings were massive on tipped horses.. Not saying its the main reason they stopped offering it, but it definitely gave them a better buffer with their prices. The Tipster I initially spoke about stopped giving his information the night before the racing as a result, and the prices then began moving so quick in the morning upon release of the information. I didn't do it myself, but it would have been much more difficult to back and lay with a smaller window of opportunity. Like I said, most would eventually drift back out anyway... Just for context, the Tipster I speak of is not affiliated with any Bookie.. Your usually either on one side or the other. He's definitely on the other side to them...
Very interesting and informative video. Must admit watched the interview with Tom yesterday and I think I was blinded a bit by his geniality and took a lot of it at face value. Thanks Caan learnt a lot
Caan, Hi - have to say the contents in this video is BANG ON ! And you have delivered another good thought provoking and truthful video that will make punters/consumers take note and digest your quality points. As an aside - can I just say - I have meet Richard Hoiles - he is a top professional and a real gentleman - so my own personal opinion is I don't think you should have included him in this video - apart from that issue - you have done another good video !
Sure, nothing personal to any of these people. But when you think about it, they have to be brought up from time to time because if you don't it's exactly what the firms want and the open loop continues. Always liked Richards commentary but was trying to outline the overall rebuttal is lame "I mentioned it once so I'm clean" kinda thing ya know.
Great video Caan, You will get negative comments for two main reasons 1) people just don't understand how betting works and 2) people don't want to understand as they don't want an excuse to stop their betting habits. By having to think about this they will realise how foolish they have been (exactly the same with football index) The more videos you put out, the more people will begin to learn. I myself have a bet with the bookies occasionally (usually to take an offer :) but I go into knowing it's a one off fun bet and there is no chance I could make money that way in the long term Keep up the quality content
I think that's fair. Hopefully it educates a few, even if the others don't want to see it. The other thing to bear in mind is, a lot of industry figures follow me too. I have lost count of the occasions that others have pointed out that the person being negative was in fact, the head trader of XYZ company. They all have personal accounts too you see :)
Great videos Caan that highlight the differences in the representation of the betting companies and the reality. Single wallet for customers is a sensible , collective solution . The gambling commision and the companies have tried to individualise the 'problems' to the punters. The single wallet is a sensible solution and the right way forward.
That Maddie Plough has been employed by the Racing Post for years and she knows her stuff. Tad harsh calling her 'young girl' numerous times and insinuating she's only there for the old men to lure at.
No I don't I never said that😂. Talk about desperate to de-rail the points made! couple of you coming back daily to leave comments like this.... doesn't look suspect at all lol
@@CaanBerryProTrader you literally say it in 5:55. Also not derailing the points made, I’m just calling you out for saying “the young girl” is employed to be objectified by men rather than being a good journalist in her own right. Then you’re now totalling trying to deflect from that point instead of confronting it…
No I didn't, I just re-watched it to make sure again, intially you said "thinks women only work in..." which I certainly did not. I said "the media, racing post, pricewise, higher like the young girl" in order to get their customer demographics attention. It's certainly not the "only" reason, but if you look at the industry as a whole, it's hard not to say it's no a reason at all. Just take a look at the pretty girls used by Coral or William Hill or on other channels. It's not at all mysoginistic or a red flag, its merely a statement of truth. Another point that you and these other accounts that are so desperate to de-rail this video keep saying is "journalist" which is also untrue. Journalists report, from the industry media all we get is bookie PR that is the direct opposite of the truth, which is of course the purpose of the video. You're being as bad as them in trying to twist what's been said, or, are these first time commenting accounts affiilated to them? Looks like it certainly could be.
Tom comes across as a great guy and i still think he is, seems like he actually cares about racing, on the “in the know” videos he does openly criticise the price boosts coral give out during the video, good video though 👍🏼
I'm a man, so don't get me wrong but I love what you doing. It's f.ng mile stone for all those (like me) who has not enough experience to see all those scams behind the scenes
Another great video Caan. Again, happy we don't have the same stupid rules this side of the pond. The Racing post has become a ,one big bookie advertising paper. Nearly hard to actually find the racing these days !!!!
Point 1 is not a slip up and hardly a revelation. He talks people through how it all works and the schedule of his days on a promo video for the book ‘Secrets of Pricewise’ - that was a lot of years ago.
So true! Tom has been completely transparent with how it works. If someone doesn’t see Pricewise for what it is then they are very naive. Pricewise is meant to be fun and that’s exactly what Tom wants it to be. The only people who are shocked by this are people who just blindly follow Pricewise regardless hoping to make a fortune for no work. Those people need to be realistic. Of course with a huge following Pricewise will get occasions where a punter writes in saying he won £60k from it. But we also don’t know how much was staked. We also can’t be surprised or angry at the Racing Post advertising when Pricewise does well or a punter has success with it. They are a business too! Pricewise, Tom Segal and the Racing Post is great.
Depends .. racing post is a very old publication which long since separated ties from its original journalistic model. It’s owned (as are most sports sites) by large digital marketing and data collection companies. That’s a fair enough model. I don’t think people are necessarily that confused by what it’s all about. I’d rather have the sport as it is than no sport at all. Without bookmaker revenue there would be no future for the racing Industry. I’d prefer to be able to get a bet on and not be shafted on prices but I’ll take the exchange as good enough and be happy with that,
I see it as the only sensible option. Ideally I'd like no checks, but they are already happening and the cat is out the bag so we may aswell ask for something sensible.
The ITV team always big Pricewise up when he has a winner on a Saturday, but don’t mention the 30 or so he’s lost in a row. Something not right about that.
Hadn't really noticed that myself. Will take a look. I would imagine ITV get lots of ad rev too although they are probably pressed harder on a fixed script/format. The trouble is, the bookies pay all these organisations so much they wont say anything.
There is a piece in The Guardian today "Revealed: how bookies clamp down on successful gamblers and exploit the rest" It is interesting because they have insiders from four stating how the bookies restrict successful punters but upping the amount losers can bet.
I already tried to show this, 5 years ago... th-cam.com/video/ocS3WaXVKuM/w-d-xo.html contacted all the media outlets, they were not interested. Its a shame really, there are multiple videos on this channel showing my own accounts being restricted. See the channel page for Bet365, MoPlay, MrPlay to name just a few.
i am glad this channel exists ; watched a few videos . The standard of research does undermine the points you are trying to make. The races he is given will be the ones priced up when the copy is written. We all have complaints about betting firms but surely one isnt failing to price up every race 36 hours before the off. You would also need to consider the margin point ...which if you think about it is also wrong.The televised handicaps that form the bulk of the choice are often (due to extra place terms and the like) the least strong from a margin point of view., its the races he doesnt consider where the percentage per runner is at its worst. Now it would be interesting to ask why he seldom selects ew with extra place races?.. that said Paul Kealy does .. The value available now to recreational punters is excellent. The amount of information available is excellent . Hills price up handicaps 48 hours in advance on every meeting. Bet £3.65 go up at 4pm the previous day on all races. Yes you cant get 1000s on but you can get three figures which is surely fair enough .Its not all good , not all bad nor is everything Q anon bullocjks
A bizzare comment, Harry. Do you work at the RP or something? These points are very weak at best. To address them one-by-one, there's no defence for doing anything other than serving paying customers first. By letting bookies pick the races it's the opposite. The margin point is fine, the bookies are not forced to offer promotional concessions like extra places, to say that is a reason is very weak. It's like them complaining about people using free bets, nobody made them, it's their choice. If it's bad for business, they shouldn't do it. Having an overwhelming amount of information isn't excellent IMO, unless it's good and relevant information - not bad info out of date/price. I assure you that you cannot get 3 figures on with those firms unless it's a badly -EV account, see proof of it on the channel. Your overall comment here reads like the RP is giving away value and helping the end user, for which they would lose affiliate rev-share on their monthly portal (maybe that's another video to do). We all know that's not the RP's angle, if they cared about consumers, they wouldn't be publishing FOBT's are good articles or putting positive spin on restrictions and ignoring other important points like racing should be seperated from casino games (something the bookies don't want).
I'm 100% behind The Single Customer Wallet. On a different note Caan whatever blade you are using to shave your head must be absolutely razor fella. It is damn tight. You could approach them to sponsor your channel ?
@@CaanBerryProTrader I didn't say it was ok. I just said that it's been common knowledge for years. From his results over recent years he's probably doing actual punters a favour in letting the bookies shorten his selections, potentially allowing for more value elsewhere.
This is bordering on conspiracy theory stuff to be honest - joining dots and drawing wild conclusions. It has been known for years and years that Pricewise races are chosen in advance and given to Tom to pick from. Not sure that is the scandal you think it is - it’s also very much not the reason most people sign up for members club. As for the other stuff, making videos to promote people sign up to members club is just part of their marketing strategy. It’s a fairly common business model. Definitely not a swindle. If I was racing post and you were accusing them of scamming their customers (which they clearly aren’t but you seem to suggest you’ve uncovered some massive conspiracy here which is just a straight forward business model), I would be sending you a solicitors letter fairly promptly.
Trainers are sponsor by bookmakers Owners can have horses with multiple trainers The prize money is too low These 3 facts will tell you how bent this so called sport is
Jeez. Someone got a bee in his bonnet!! Caan, you clearly have a passion or I should say dislike for bookies and the lack of value but I cant for the life of me take that one interview with Tom Segal as proof that the Racing Post is in cahoots with them!! Of course they have to bend over and be nice - their main source of income is from Ad Revenue. I too was surprised when Tom says ' I dont choose the races....." .but actually the 'Pricewise' races are always going to be the big Saturday handicaps - and im sure its what punters are looking for. I subscribe to Members Club for one reason - the form and the replays. I also take an interest in the bloodstock database but that's an aside. For a real Racing Fan I think Members Club is essential. I dont and ever have taken an interest in following tipsters. Do any 'real' racing fan do that? Surely the whole point is try and find the winners yourself? To say that Racing Post as selling tips is nonsense frankly. Doesn't even cross my mind. The constant Cheltenham preview shows (home many????) pisses me off much more. Swindle? Twaddle more like!
Couple of key things missed to link their close relationship: The Racing Post supply a betting display guide to all the Bookmakers, and have a copy of their main paper in each of those shops. And anyone remember the old pricewise tips and the 15 minute Gaurentee?? I don't see the racing post supporting the one wallet idea, or speaking much about other things like this. Most of these looming restrictions threaten the High Street Shops, and look set to put the final nail in the coffin for them. No way they support the threat to their main line of supply...
Pricewise and Hugh Taylor are widely revered, fair enough, but look at their profits not as percentages of turnover but in pounds, shillings and pence and it comes down to a lot of bets and very little profit. Its not my idea of fun and tbh I cba for the tiny profit. Thanks Caan
Pricewise tips in the most competitive races every weekend and at the festivals. Easy to knock his p+l but I doubt anyone could do much better in those specific races. You can't compare his p&l with tipsters who choose which races to tip in.
I have long held the view that popular Tipsters like "Pricewise" are nothing more than front Men for the Bookies. This article goes some way to justifying my views. Anybody who still uses a bookie for anything other than MB is simply a Mug Punter imho.
Good to see someone highlighting the RP/bookmaker farce. I do think that referring to Maddy Playle as “a young girl employed to interview him” is a bit demeaning. She’s one of their main journalists, is she not? And she’s an adult!
Wasn't personal as I said, just highlighting how the industry behaves. You won't have to look far for other cases like that, whats that girl with hills or on the racing channels sometimes, the firms do it with football too. It amazes me how they ever have one that looks like an overweight moonpig isn't it? or is that just coincidence? Maybe!
I already did, 5 years ago... th-cam.com/video/ocS3WaXVKuM/w-d-xo.html contacted all the media outlets, they were not interested. Its a shame really, there are multiple videos on this channel showing my own accounts being restricted. See the channel page for Bet365, MoPlay, MrPlay to name just a few.
Good video and I know it’s not personal against Tom, feel his reputation and knowledge is being used to be profitted off. Not once in price wise was conflated mentioned for the Irish gold cup yet him and Paul kealy were waxing lyricals about the value on it the night prior, yet provided the best value winner of the Dublin racing festival if you got on at 50s
Wallet sounds fine except that data about who the customers bet with could be shared and gubbings could be more of a problem. Not a fan of the wallet idea.
@@CaanBerryProTrader Well fair point, Caan. I definitely wouldn't prefer bookies controlling it. Perhaps they could set up a ring-fenced data exchange that runs on automation just like how worldpay (and similar) sit outside of the banks yet verifies the transaction securely. I'm not sure if that's what the proposed wallets would do but something about the way wallets have been described makes me worry about gubbings. In the end all matched bettors or value bettors/arbers will, I suppose, take the profits from the new customer offers and either seed some other venture or try trading. I also think the bookies will lose a lot of potential customers if they don't give away at least some value. What do you think? Btw, thanks again for all the brilliant content 👍
I remember 20 odd years ago when Paul Haigh left the Racing Post he accused it of becoming a 'tipping sheet'. It would appear that he was absolutely right and it has only got worse (and way more cynical) in the intervening years.
Don't gamble don't drink don't take drugs. Life is simple. Why complicate matters. Follow Jesus, have a friend for life and eternity and build your life on a solid rock. Beware of greed.
If this makes you angry your going to need a wheelbarrow of Prozac, try looking for upping the ante with bet 365 they encouraging people to bet without knowing the ground , entries ,weights or races and made a massive loss last year
As a general comment , anti post betting , by definition , is a long term gamble which is rewarded by securing a higher price weeks or months in advance. No one can know the going , weights etc.
And who is pushing for 5 day Cheltenham YES the bookies , 5 days of gambling that’s a problem for compulsive gamblers and ordinary punters , 6 nights for hotels , more expense for food and drink etc but 5 days of Cheltenham PLEASE no it’s tedious now over 4 days but bookies give out cash to make it back 🤔
With the scale they have, isn't it easy money for those involved with Price wise or other big tipping services to simply lump on a horse, know the price will lower once the tip is published and the masses lump on, then lay at the lower price to lock in profits? Seems to be the same with any tipping service that they look great on the face of it at decent prices, but in reality noone could ever have gotten on at the higher price and therefore noone but the bookie and tipster will make money from it (accepting I've only ever looked at a small number of free tips - may well be wrong and some paid sites could offer genuine value)
Great heads up .. shame it all leaves a sour taste in the mouth .. I am close to giving up .. They have rigged the game too much in their favour .. It all went downhill when it went a fifth of the odds each way .. Now a lot of fields have short priced favourite and may 3 horses at 3/1 4/1 9/2 , so 4 horses at less than even money each way in the field // it is losing its appeal for me
Many years ago I followed Tom religiously and at £80 per horse I won £6000 one one occasion, plus countless other wins of £1000+ ; I can't attest to his skills now but I've no doubt that there's much more morally dubious characters in the game than Tom and even the Racing Post itself.
There are lots of dubious charachters. Others have said back then he was picking soft prices out early. I don't know but I noticed that most of Hugh Taylors are at prices I couldn't ever get and or would have been arbs.
@@Drinkman7reloaded Many won a load when Mel Collier was PW. He was dynamite. Subsequently started his own service which absolutely bombed and he soon called it a day.
I have no idea whether there is any swindle, but I know that you spent little or no time getting any facts or evidence together to support your theory. for example it would have taken next to no time to work out overround of races with Pricewise tips vs industry average. Really poor execution when you could have done it so much better.
If that were true, then surely you'd have shown the numbers? This is just a comment to try and undermine the very valid points made IMO. Pricewise is not value, it doesn't provide a positive return and you cant even get the advised prices the vast majority of the time. No better than a twitter tipster, only difference is its backed by a newspaper that makes money from it mate. Wouldnt suprise me if the tips get sent to the bookies before the punters too but that's obviously unconfirmed, just a hunch.
Firstly, I like Tom Segal. Seems like a genuinely nice guy and he knows racing back to front. That is beside the point though, as I believe the only way to pick value to to do the studying yourself. If you bet because of tips, unless it's inside info, you can't harp about losing without putting the effort in. I will spend hours on each race at Cheltenham, especially the handicaps, and only after I have my selected picked, will I check what the tipsters say, just in case they mention a negative that I have missed. You have the same info the tipsters use to form opinions, so study and make your own mind up.
Sure he's a lovely chap, but everything comes down to price and value. The bookies don't give any, and if they do, they close your account. I wouldn't waste your time spending those hours reading about it to be honest... bookies are a stitch-up. It's an industry-wide thing, to draw a comparison, if you were buying a car, the bloke selling it might be a nice chap and you could read about people who have had cars like it but it woudln't change the fact he's selling it to you at a ridiculous price to make a fat profit for himself and his paymasters. Just a thought :)
@@CaanBerryProTrader Completely agree, though my way of thinking is if you do all the work yourself, you work out the value yourself. So whatever the book percentage, you could/might still find a value bet if you put the effort in. Anyway, really enjoy your vids. Reminds me of the Greenshield? bet complaints/answers section in the paper Sporting Life from years gone by or is that a figment of my imagination?
What do you think to New Industry SP on Greyhound Racing Caan? Used by High St Bookmakers,anybody will beat SP Now and get accounts shut Online if betting a few winners.
Dogs are pretty crooked in the betting tbh, but I think its the industries fault for making it that way. People gotta make their money somehow. Dogs are usually the easiest way to get restricted.
This why i follow my own eyes and heart, you should not rely on another person when it comes to money. Its easy just follow racing watch all the races that lead towards Cheltenham and the horse. Before Cheltenham starts you should have 90% of horses you are going to bet on at the festival only use racing post for form and latest news as for tips F THAT 😂😂😂
Who still regularly buys the racing post? Just a bookies pamphlet these days, everything you need is on internet using your own eyes etc, tipsters are what they are, bookies foils…
Betting should be Fun i here them say, well if people did bet just for fun i.e. a flutter there would be no bookmakers left because they would not be able to make it pay.
Isn't Maddy a contributing journalist on Racing Post already? Anyone who "pays for tips" is misguided, the best betting advice I ever had was "pick your own losers". The value in the market these days is absolutely awful but most punters who follow Pricewise are weekend ITV punters who are unlikely to be a problem. The Racing Post is tied in with many bookmakers and you have to take that into account when considering any advice they offer. As McCririck used to say "shop around and find the value (which is scarce these days). I don't subscribe to the Post and I am a small stakes punter who makes his own choices but takes in as much information as possible to do so. The Post social media content is as much about entertainment for me than anything else.
There aren't any journalists there IMO, just bookie PR people. Last week there was a double page article about why restrictions aren't a problem, despite people been screaming about it for 10 years as a massive problem for anyone who makes a profit. Meanwhile, the losers get the red carpet treatment and 'tips'.
@@CaanBerryProTrader Sick of the paper. Pricing is a piss take. Most of the time they are looking for negativity in Racing. Nearly all there reporters are college leavers with an interest in Sport....not a love of Racing.
Interesting video but hardly a revelation that tipsters, bookmakers and press are interlinked. Betting has alwaysbeen about 2 key words , value and control. Use your own knowledge, if the bet doesn't represent value then don't bet it, this goes for a 1/2 shot sames as it does for a 20/1. And have some control, don't bet for the sake of it, bet only when your experience and knowledge tells you is value. I follow Tom Segal but its difficult to get value on his tips given his profile now,so it would be stupid to bet him blind. Bookies can draw people in with big headlines , eye catching but poor value promos and special "enhanced price" bets that still don't represent value.Exercise control, use your head and there is money to be won from the bookies....so many don't and that's where the profit lies.
I don't listen to pricewise I go mainly by weather anyway if u try to back his tip in say a patent or lucky 15 it's minimum stake so they must be afraid of payouts so he must have a big following . Is it green eyed monster with people just watch or switch off.
Good video, to be honest I always enjoy the racing posts 'what a shout'. However, they always seem to choose the hardest races to look at for tips or ones with little value.
The fact that Tom takes races selected by bookmakers is common knowledge even before the video the other day. He makes no attempt to hide it. And the "solution" you give at the, I fail to see how this would help that situation? Having an independent wallet doesn't stop you following a tipsters tips, two completely different issues. Watch any of the shows that Tom does including In The Know and he comes across very open and honest, whilst at times slating the bookmakers offers of alleged value.
If you read the comments its not common knowledge. The solution is for an industry wide problem that there is a governemnt review going on, has been for a year, maybe you were unaware of the total state things are in right now?
@@CaanBerryProTrader Might not be common knowledge but you can hardly say he's slipped up revealing it though. It's explained in 'The Secrets of Pricewise' published way back in 2012 by the Racing Post themselves.
Tom Doesn't need to bet large stakes on his tips, I wonder if he and his close associates, back his tips on the exchanges before they are announced and lay for a profit when the odds crash ????
Your analysis doesn’t add up or make any sense ,if Tom segal was working in cahoots with the bookmakers he surely wouldn’t have tipped up 4 winners at ascot recently giving his followers a 2,000-1 winning Acca . You’re clutching at straws with your accusatory tone, pricewise gave another 11-2 winner Saturday I’m sure corals would prefer he’d tip an 11-10 loser than the decent priced winners he regularly tips . I can’t see anything wrong in how he operates and the openness of how he is in the interview. You seem to be the one trying to benefit for views with sensationalist click bait videos with no substance .
It makes perfect sense. You don't seem to understand how betting odds and probability/profit work. It's nothing to do with winners, I would recommend watching this video to understand more: th-cam.com/video/iL4rmbwFwEY/w-d-xo.html
To find the most the fastest, just have to look at the most profitable platforms like RP. Today there was an article in there saying that restrictions are nonsense and its all BS. I mean have a day off lol.
No different then nicholls Elliot and the other trainers and jockeys they have marking their cards for them. Same as the fodder of racing they want put on shite from wolves Southwell and gaffe tracks with unreliable donkeys running
Lots of really good points here Caan and completely on board with it being an extremely floored and bookmaker favouring landscape but the narrative in your video surrounding the female presenter is completely irrelevant.
Pricewise just picks anything at a big price knowing one will eventually win. I don't know why anyone takes any notice of him.
If u go back 10Yrs ago Tom was free money every time he posted anything. But bookies put a stop to that. & 💯 Tom has the inside Scoop DOES NOT MEAN HE LETS EVERYONE NO. 😉
Honestly reminds me of the scam in Minder with the list of horses. Phone up the number, all get given any high price in the race, someone will win and keep subscribing the other suckers have already lost at the first hurdle(pun intended). But Arthur (or Tom in this case) doesn’t care as they’ve already been paid(winners paid a small commission).
You’re clueless peter, he understands more about racing than you ever will, no need to attack the man on the internet👍🏼
@@jameshart6908 Not an attack though is it, its fair criticism. Feel free to prove it wrong :)
@@CaanBerryProTrader Peter is attacking him though, saying he just blindly picks big prices to tip 😂 its just an un necessary lie
See the relevant Coral video here: th-cam.com/video/uMEpdren85E/w-d-xo.html it's madness that it's been swept under carpet (again).
Must admit , this channel has improved a huge amount over the last 12 months or so .
Thanks, Steven, appreciate it.
The modern parlance is " not gonna lie " - Keep up :)
Please comment on all those people employed by ITV etc. also employed by bookmakers a clear conflict of interest which should not be allowed. Great work
The glory days of Pricewise are a long time ago, with Mark Coton.
@greencell. Yip them days have gone defo. Miss the days when u could get a ok bet on @ price during festival @ Weekends. 😢Long gone now. And there so bloody quick to move anything that has a sniff off cash for it
Racing is going down the pan, gambling is not fun anymore prices are so doctored,and getting on a bet is such a demoralising waste of time especially a decent sized bet.The days of enjoyable racing have long gone this"sport" is just commercial exploitation and it is constantly being exposed for misdemeanors and rough trading.
Nothing wrong with it in my opinion. He was very honest in that interview and if people want to use those tips are up to them.
It certainly is, but at least know the stitch-up you're walking into. Many don't even realise so hopefully they are aware now and can make their own decision.
Completely agree with you,Mr Segals only obligation is to give his good faith opinion on the particular race.His selections are a matter of record and his profit/loss,there for all to see.Whether you follow his advice or not is up to you.there is no "scam" here.
It seems fair to me to give tips in the big races of the day. The market is better able to absorb likely investments. Don't forget about all the other tipsters are giving tips in the said big races, including their naps sometimes.
It would be interesting to know of his success rate if he could cherry-pick all and any races. If he did this, it could lead to a price collapse in lesser grade or small field races. Hey ho.
If you want to win on the horses, back with the Tote they can't ban you.
The number one problem in gambling is gambling sites will not give you the option of self excluding from slot machines/casino alone. Most people will not have a problem sports or horse betting but could be wiped out by slots. Its such an easy thing for them to implement and a discussion I’ve had with them for about 15 years but it is so sinister that they won’t. They are 2 completely separate vices, one is infinitely more controllable than the other
R watchwater totally agree with you enjoy a .net on horses but many times out all my dough on these machines.asked to be excluded from them but not horses.no can do they say. Hate those machines
You can on Betfair, I'm excluded from everything except the exchange for horses and sports.
Yet the RP and the like leave out the facts that have been put forward that sport should be seperated from those other formats you talk of. Maybe their sponsors had something to do with it?
Yes you can ban yourself from slots but still place sports bets
The big feature races are always going to be the ones that are more popular, that's what people want. He gives good advice and his views of whatever race he does, you can check his win/loss at any time, and you have the choice to follow him or not.
He is not putting up horses because he knows they are going to lose, so what's the problem. The interview was honest and open, wasn't trying to cover anything up.
The criticism should be with the bookies taking away the option to have a bet as easy on Tom's tips. They used to revert to the prices printed in the racing post over night for a ten/fifteen minute period in the mornings .
One of the top bookies stopped doing this at one point but soon went back to the policy, but over a period of months they all stopped this practice.
Wonder if the bookies know these tipsters (Tom segal, Hugh Taylor, upping the ante etc) selections before they are posted to public so they are servilely “under” on the the price and the price advertised is rarely or never even available in the first place. Then post there results in the prices that were never there🤦🏻♂️ HUGE SWINDLE lol. Great video!
I know Hugh Taylor likes the all weather tracks so i picked a day when there was only one all weather meeting and opened every race on the Betfair site. I used a screen recorder to record the prices. The price dropped before the horse was named on ATR.
Yeah ur 💯 on taylor 2. I know someone who had 3 platforms where he posts. Went up not even enough time to pull race up before it changed madness
@@peterbergman2131 - Savvy traders and punters have software which continually refresh Hugh's article to recognise the instant the tip is available, their software then automatically places a bet on the betfair market (they fight amongst themselves). You won't be able to get the betfair price by hand.
It’s a quick turnaround. Tom was on ITK for the Dublin racing festival and him and Paul Kealy recommended conflated in the Irish gold cup at 50/1, which I jumped on, by the morning couldn’t get anything better than 20s, was ridiculous. Tipsters like Tom know their stuff I feel, the bookies and papers are using their reputation to entice you and it taints them in a way
I think Tom has said in a previous interview that there are a couple of bookmakers that let him bet with them so they know in advance what he fancies
30 years ago someone explained PW to me. In those days it was hard to get all the prices the night before and PW was just picking out errors. So four books have something at 10/3 7/2 and one has it at 5. You put it up at 5. In those days the shops would lay early prices to customers up to 10.15 (15 minute window) to 10 or 25 pounds. It’s not massively clever but people would generally get a bet. There weren’t as many races priced up early. Now prices are so fluid no one gets the price.
Lots of tipsters behave like that. I pointed out that most of HT's tips were actually arbs if you could get the price even... my god the abuse I got for it. Hilarious given those surrounding HT say things like 'dirty arbers' and all that.
I've notice that myself following one Tipster for a while. He had a fairly large subscribed following. 9/10 the Horse would shorten by a few points, then would often drift back out to the original advised price on opening board prices. I said to my brother, if you got on the price at the right time, they were all just easy back and lays...
I think the same case could be made for any other Tipster with a large following.. They would certainly shorten the price initially everywhere just from the shear amount going on to each horse. More the natural process of it all, and people just then taking advantage of the obvious price swing each time..
We saw a lot of Bookies online stop offering best odds the evening before. In turn they all eventually stopped. Before these price swings were massive on tipped horses.. Not saying its the main reason they stopped offering it, but it definitely gave them a better buffer with their prices. The Tipster I initially spoke about stopped giving his information the night before the racing as a result, and the prices then began moving so quick in the morning upon release of the information. I didn't do it myself, but it would have been much more difficult to back and lay with a smaller window of opportunity. Like I said, most would eventually drift back out anyway...
Just for context, the Tipster I speak of is not affiliated with any Bookie.. Your usually either on one side or the other. He's definitely on the other side to them...
Very interesting and informative video. Must admit watched the interview with Tom yesterday and I think I was blinded a bit by his geniality and took a lot of it at face value. Thanks Caan learnt a lot
I think that happens with a lot of people. Unless they are aware of what's going on already, they are disarmed before watching...
Caan, Hi - have to say the contents in this video is BANG ON ! And you have delivered another good thought provoking and truthful video that will make punters/consumers take note and digest your quality points. As an aside - can I just say - I have meet Richard Hoiles - he is a top professional and a real gentleman - so my own personal opinion is I don't think you should have included him in this video - apart from that issue - you have done another good video !
Sure, nothing personal to any of these people. But when you think about it, they have to be brought up from time to time because if you don't it's exactly what the firms want and the open loop continues. Always liked Richards commentary but was trying to outline the overall rebuttal is lame "I mentioned it once so I'm clean" kinda thing ya know.
Great video Caan,
You will get negative comments for two main reasons
1) people just don't understand how betting works and 2) people don't want to understand as they don't want an excuse to stop their betting habits. By having to think about this they will realise how foolish they have been (exactly the same with football index)
The more videos you put out, the more people will begin to learn.
I myself have a bet with the bookies occasionally (usually to take an offer :) but I go into knowing it's a one off fun bet and there is no chance I could make money that way in the long term
Keep up the quality content
I think that's fair. Hopefully it educates a few, even if the others don't want to see it. The other thing to bear in mind is, a lot of industry figures follow me too. I have lost count of the occasions that others have pointed out that the person being negative was in fact, the head trader of XYZ company. They all have personal accounts too you see :)
Great videos Caan that highlight the differences in the representation of the betting companies and the reality. Single wallet for customers is a sensible , collective solution . The gambling commision and the companies have tried to individualise the 'problems' to the punters. The single wallet is a sensible solution and the right way forward.
I think so, its the only thing that'll work. As long as it doesn't fall into the bookies hands.
That Maddie Plough has been employed by the Racing Post for years and she knows her stuff. Tad harsh calling her 'young girl' numerous times and insinuating she's only there for the old men to lure at.
Proper red flag behaviour from Caan. Thinks women only work in these companies to lure men… 🚩
No I don't I never said that😂. Talk about desperate to de-rail the points made! couple of you coming back daily to leave comments like this.... doesn't look suspect at all lol
@@CaanBerryProTrader Yer mate you caught me, I'm a puppet for Betfair.
@@CaanBerryProTrader you literally say it in 5:55.
Also not derailing the points made, I’m just calling you out for saying “the young girl” is employed to be objectified by men rather than being a good journalist in her own right. Then you’re now totalling trying to deflect from that point instead of confronting it…
No I didn't, I just re-watched it to make sure again, intially you said "thinks women only work in..." which I certainly did not. I said "the media, racing post, pricewise, higher like the young girl" in order to get their customer demographics attention. It's certainly not the "only" reason, but if you look at the industry as a whole, it's hard not to say it's no a reason at all. Just take a look at the pretty girls used by Coral or William Hill or on other channels. It's not at all mysoginistic or a red flag, its merely a statement of truth. Another point that you and these other accounts that are so desperate to de-rail this video keep saying is "journalist" which is also untrue. Journalists report, from the industry media all we get is bookie PR that is the direct opposite of the truth, which is of course the purpose of the video. You're being as bad as them in trying to twist what's been said, or, are these first time commenting accounts affiilated to them? Looks like it certainly could be.
Tom comes across as a great guy and i still think he is, seems like he actually cares about racing, on the “in the know” videos he does openly criticise the price boosts coral give out during the video, good video though 👍🏼
Ye fair, although even with the price boosts he knows it will be bad value. Bit like a DFS sale, it's not really a sale...
Dont worry about Coral or Ladbrokes they restrict every account to pennies dont they ?
Looks that way doesn't it!
@@CaanBerryProTrader Why have 2 separate brands as Ladbrokes and Coral share account holder information.
FANNY BETTOR LOSER !
I'm a man, so don't get me wrong but I love what you doing. It's f.ng mile stone for all those (like me) who has not enough experience to see all those scams behind the scenes
Another great video Caan. Again, happy we don't have the same stupid rules this side of the pond. The Racing post has become a ,one big bookie advertising paper. Nearly hard to actually find the racing these days !!!!
It's so biased its unreal.
Great post Caan.
Point 1 is not a slip up and hardly a revelation. He talks people through how it all works and the schedule of his days on a promo video for the book ‘Secrets of Pricewise’ - that was a lot of years ago.
Caan just likes having a moan I think lol
I like tom segal and rate him quite highly ... nice bloke too
So true! Tom has been completely transparent with how it works. If someone doesn’t see Pricewise for what it is then they are very naive.
Pricewise is meant to be fun and that’s exactly what Tom wants it to be. The only people who are shocked by this are people who just blindly follow Pricewise regardless hoping to make a fortune for no work. Those people need to be realistic.
Of course with a huge following Pricewise will get occasions where a punter writes in saying he won £60k from it. But we also don’t know how much was staked. We also can’t be surprised or angry at the Racing Post advertising when Pricewise does well or a punter has success with it. They are a business too!
Pricewise, Tom Segal and the Racing Post is great.
That was my first thought at that point. That book was published in 2012 and it's all in there.
Depends .. racing post is a very old publication which long since separated ties from its original journalistic model. It’s owned (as are most sports sites) by large digital marketing and data collection companies. That’s a fair enough model. I don’t think people are necessarily that confused by what it’s all about. I’d rather have the sport as it is than no sport at all. Without bookmaker revenue there would be no future for the racing Industry. I’d prefer to be able to get a bet on and not be shafted on prices but I’ll take the exchange as good enough and be happy with that,
Please keep exposing this. Very good work
Thanks, I appreciate the positve feedback. Will do. :)
That was brilliant.
Fully behind the wallet idea.
I see it as the only sensible option. Ideally I'd like no checks, but they are already happening and the cat is out the bag so we may aswell ask for something sensible.
The ITV team always big Pricewise up when he has a winner on a Saturday, but don’t mention the 30 or so he’s lost in a row. Something not right about that.
Hadn't really noticed that myself. Will take a look. I would imagine ITV get lots of ad rev too although they are probably pressed harder on a fixed script/format. The trouble is, the bookies pay all these organisations so much they wont say anything.
I just saw u had bob mortimer on would I lie to you showing as a recommendation. That’s a treat in itself
There is a piece in The Guardian today "Revealed: how bookies clamp down on successful gamblers and exploit the rest" It is interesting because they have insiders from four stating how the bookies restrict successful punters but upping the amount losers can bet.
I already tried to show this, 5 years ago... th-cam.com/video/ocS3WaXVKuM/w-d-xo.html contacted all the media outlets, they were not interested. Its a shame really, there are multiple videos on this channel showing my own accounts being restricted. See the channel page for Bet365, MoPlay, MrPlay to name just a few.
Brilliant video Caan real eye opener👍🏼 hope you have a good cheletenham mate
Thanks, certainly did :)
Amazing video sir
Thank you 🙏
A real eye opener …!
No problems! Thanks.
" Tom studied economics at University " 🤣 Is he related to Steve Segal by any chance ?
i am glad this channel exists ; watched a few videos . The standard of research does undermine the points you are trying to make. The races he is given will be the ones priced up when the copy is written. We all have complaints about betting firms but surely one isnt failing to price up every race 36 hours before the off. You would also need to consider the margin point ...which if you think about it is also wrong.The televised handicaps that form the bulk of the choice are often (due to extra place terms and the like) the least strong from a margin point of view., its the races he doesnt consider where the percentage per runner is at its worst. Now it would be interesting to ask why he seldom selects ew with extra place races?.. that said Paul Kealy does .. The value available now to recreational punters is excellent. The amount of information available is excellent . Hills price up handicaps 48 hours in advance on every meeting. Bet £3.65 go up at 4pm the previous day on all races. Yes you cant get 1000s on but you can get three figures which is surely fair enough .Its not all good , not all bad nor is everything Q anon bullocjks
A bizzare comment, Harry. Do you work at the RP or something? These points are very weak at best. To address them one-by-one, there's no defence for doing anything other than serving paying customers first. By letting bookies pick the races it's the opposite. The margin point is fine, the bookies are not forced to offer promotional concessions like extra places, to say that is a reason is very weak. It's like them complaining about people using free bets, nobody made them, it's their choice. If it's bad for business, they shouldn't do it. Having an overwhelming amount of information isn't excellent IMO, unless it's good and relevant information - not bad info out of date/price. I assure you that you cannot get 3 figures on with those firms unless it's a badly -EV account, see proof of it on the channel.
Your overall comment here reads like the RP is giving away value and helping the end user, for which they would lose affiliate rev-share on their monthly portal (maybe that's another video to do). We all know that's not the RP's angle, if they cared about consumers, they wouldn't be publishing FOBT's are good articles or putting positive spin on restrictions and ignoring other important points like racing should be seperated from casino games (something the bookies don't want).
Phil Bull had plenty of one liners when it came to tipsters!
One word will suffice in most cases, dunno about one line lol
@@CaanBerryProTrader Damn right :)
I'm 100% behind The Single Customer Wallet. On a different note Caan whatever blade you are using to shave your head must be absolutely razor fella. It is damn tight. You could approach them to sponsor your channel ?
Haha, a thought I guess.
TBF, it's common knowledge that Pricewise gets sent which races to look at. It's mentioned in a video that's on the RP TH-cam from about 7 years a go.
So its okay? I wonder if they send him the selections too.
@@CaanBerryProTrader I didn't say it was ok. I just said that it's been common knowledge for years. From his results over recent years he's probably doing actual punters a favour in letting the bookies shorten his selections, potentially allowing for more value elsewhere.
@@jamesdunkley4820 Was all even in the book 'The Secrets of Pricewise' as long ago as 2012.
This is bordering on conspiracy theory stuff to be honest - joining dots and drawing wild conclusions. It has been known for years and years that Pricewise races are chosen in advance and given to Tom to pick from. Not sure that is the scandal you think it is - it’s also very much not the reason most people sign up for members club. As for the other stuff, making videos to promote people sign up to members club is just part of their marketing strategy. It’s a fairly common business model. Definitely not a swindle. If I was racing post and you were accusing them of scamming their customers (which they clearly aren’t but you seem to suggest you’ve uncovered some massive conspiracy here which is just a straight forward business model), I would be sending you a solicitors letter fairly promptly.
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Please behind price wise iss sound, they look for overpriced horses.
The problem is bookmakers makee it hard to obtain advertised prices
Make it near on impossible.
Trainers are sponsor by bookmakers
Owners can have horses with multiple trainers
The prize money is too low
These 3 facts will tell you how bent this so called sport is
You are correct, Lee. The sport in general has become very twisted because of everyones greed :)
Great podcast thanks for all your podcasts
Cheers, I did one with Emmet Kenedy the other day which you may find interesting.
Jeez. Someone got a bee in his bonnet!! Caan, you clearly have a passion or I should say dislike for bookies and the lack of value but I cant for the life of me take that one interview with Tom Segal as proof that the Racing Post is in cahoots with them!! Of course they have to bend over and be nice - their main source of income is from Ad Revenue. I too was surprised when Tom says ' I dont choose the races....." .but actually the 'Pricewise' races are always going to be the big Saturday handicaps - and im sure its what punters are looking for. I subscribe to Members Club for one reason - the form and the replays. I also take an interest in the bloodstock database but that's an aside. For a real Racing Fan I think Members Club is essential. I dont and ever have taken an interest in following tipsters. Do any 'real' racing fan do that? Surely the whole point is try and find the winners yourself? To say that Racing Post as selling tips is nonsense frankly. Doesn't even cross my mind. The constant Cheltenham preview shows (home many????) pisses me off much more. Swindle? Twaddle more like!
You should do a Cheltenham Video what to do what not to do what to look out for etc 🙏🙏🙏Loving the vids btw 👍
Couple of key things missed to link their close relationship:
The Racing Post supply a betting display guide to all the Bookmakers, and have a copy of their main paper in each of those shops.
And anyone remember the old pricewise tips and the 15 minute Gaurentee??
I don't see the racing post supporting the one wallet idea, or speaking much about other things like this. Most of these looming restrictions threaten the High Street Shops, and look set to put the final nail in the coffin for them. No way they support the threat to their main line of supply...
All these videos are top class!
Much appreciated!
Another solid video You're doing great job Caan. exposing those scammers.
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback.
Pricewise and Hugh Taylor are widely revered, fair enough, but look at their profits not as percentages of turnover but in pounds, shillings and pence and it comes down to a lot of bets and very little profit. Its not my idea of fun and tbh I cba for the tiny profit. Thanks Caan
Pricewise tips in the most competitive races every weekend and at the festivals. Easy to knock his p+l but I doubt anyone could do much better in those specific races. You can't compare his p&l with tipsters who choose which races to tip in.
I have long held the view that popular Tipsters like "Pricewise" are nothing more than front Men for the Bookies. This article goes some way to justifying my views. Anybody who still uses a bookie for anything other than MB is simply a Mug Punter imho.
Don't forget you can still value bet, arb and trade. But other than that totally agree with you.
Good to see someone highlighting the RP/bookmaker farce. I do think that referring to Maddy Playle as “a young girl employed to interview him” is a bit demeaning. She’s one of their main journalists, is she not? And she’s an adult!
Wasn't personal as I said, just highlighting how the industry behaves. You won't have to look far for other cases like that, whats that girl with hills or on the racing channels sometimes, the firms do it with football too. It amazes me how they ever have one that looks like an overweight moonpig isn't it? or is that just coincidence? Maybe!
Caan, maybe you could do a video on The Guardians article "Revealed: how bookies clamp down on successful gamblers and exploit the rest"
I already did, 5 years ago... th-cam.com/video/ocS3WaXVKuM/w-d-xo.html contacted all the media outlets, they were not interested. Its a shame really, there are multiple videos on this channel showing my own accounts being restricted. See the channel page for Bet365, MoPlay, MrPlay to name just a few.
Good video and I know it’s not personal against Tom, feel his reputation and knowledge is being used to be profitted off. Not once in price wise was conflated mentioned for the Irish gold cup yet him and Paul kealy were waxing lyricals about the value on it the night prior, yet provided the best value winner of the Dublin racing festival if you got on at 50s
Its really not a personal thing but because the way its all set up, they know people wont talk about it so much because it looks personal.
I like how you make a grumpy face for the thumnails so people know that you are NOT IMPRESSED.
haha
Tips are NOT tips. They are opinions. Like arseholes, everyone has one !
Wallet sounds fine except that data about who the customers bet with could be shared and gubbings could be more of a problem. Not a fan of the wallet idea.
You'd prefer bookies control it?
@@CaanBerryProTrader Well fair point, Caan. I definitely wouldn't prefer bookies controlling it. Perhaps they could set up a ring-fenced data exchange that runs on automation just like how worldpay (and similar) sit outside of the banks yet verifies the transaction securely. I'm not sure if that's what the proposed wallets would do but something about the way wallets have been described makes me worry about gubbings. In the end all matched bettors or value bettors/arbers will, I suppose, take the profits from the new customer offers and either seed some other venture or try trading. I also think the bookies will lose a lot of potential customers if they don't give away at least some value. What do you think? Btw, thanks again for all the brilliant content 👍
I remember 20 odd years ago when Paul Haigh left the Racing Post he accused it of becoming a 'tipping sheet'. It would appear that he was absolutely right and it has only got worse (and way more cynical) in the intervening years.
The racing post tipped Alezan 16.10 Epsom today it finished last beaten nearly 30 lengths.
Muppets couldn't pick their nose.
Sir I help your help I have won 57 lakh INR in online casino but the winning is not been giving to me
Did the Racing Post accept monies to over promote Frankel and his early progeny,just asking.
Don't gamble don't drink don't take drugs. Life is simple. Why complicate matters. Follow Jesus, have a friend for life and eternity and build your life on a solid rock. Beware of greed.
Excellent video, bookies and tipsters eh? Two sides of the same coin.
...all in the same bucket and that.
well done good job thankyou
So nice of you
If this makes you angry your going to need a wheelbarrow of Prozac, try looking for upping the ante with bet 365 they encouraging people to bet without knowing the ground , entries ,weights or races and made a massive loss last year
Doesn't make me angry mate, its laughable. The industry has become a joke because of this behaviour and now its why affordability is bearing down.
Yeah only joking but u should review that show in your next video
As a general comment , anti post betting , by definition , is a long term gamble which is rewarded by securing a higher price weeks or months in advance. No one can know the going , weights etc.
And who is pushing for 5 day Cheltenham YES the bookies , 5 days of gambling that’s a problem for compulsive gamblers and ordinary punters , 6 nights for hotels , more expense for food and drink etc but 5 days of Cheltenham PLEASE no it’s tedious now over 4 days but bookies give out cash to make it back 🤔
With the scale they have, isn't it easy money for those involved with Price wise or other big tipping services to simply lump on a horse, know the price will lower once the tip is published and the masses lump on, then lay at the lower price to lock in profits?
Seems to be the same with any tipping service that they look great on the face of it at decent prices, but in reality noone could ever have gotten on at the higher price and therefore noone but the bookie and tipster will make money from it (accepting I've only ever looked at a small number of free tips - may well be wrong and some paid sites could offer genuine value)
Great heads up .. shame it all leaves a sour taste in the mouth .. I am close to giving up .. They have rigged the game too much in their favour .. It all went downhill when it went a fifth of the odds each way .. Now a lot of fields have short priced favourite and may 3 horses at 3/1 4/1 9/2 , so 4 horses at less than even money each way in the field // it is losing its appeal for me
Couldn't agree more.
This why never use price wise and only use rating post for information and latest news. But my bets are already 90% decided by me before hand 😂😂
Many years ago I followed Tom religiously and at £80 per horse I won £6000 one one occasion, plus countless other wins of £1000+ ; I can't attest to his skills now but I've no doubt that there's much more morally dubious characters in the game than Tom and even the Racing Post itself.
There are lots of dubious charachters. Others have said back then he was picking soft prices out early. I don't know but I noticed that most of Hugh Taylors are at prices I couldn't ever get and or would have been arbs.
Did you win more than you lost?
@@Drinkman7reloaded Many won a load when Mel Collier was PW. He was dynamite. Subsequently started his own service which absolutely bombed and he soon called it a day.
I have no idea whether there is any swindle, but I know that you spent little or no time getting any facts or evidence together to support your theory. for example it would have taken next to no time to work out overround of races with Pricewise tips vs industry average. Really poor execution when you could have done it so much better.
If that were true, then surely you'd have shown the numbers? This is just a comment to try and undermine the very valid points made IMO. Pricewise is not value, it doesn't provide a positive return and you cant even get the advised prices the vast majority of the time. No better than a twitter tipster, only difference is its backed by a newspaper that makes money from it mate. Wouldnt suprise me if the tips get sent to the bookies before the punters too but that's obviously unconfirmed, just a hunch.
@@CaanBerryProTrader Concept makes no sense these days anyway as I don't think he even advises a price anymore does he?
Firstly, I like Tom Segal. Seems like a genuinely nice guy and he knows racing back to front. That is beside the point though, as I believe the only way to pick value to to do the studying yourself. If you bet because of tips, unless it's inside info, you can't harp about losing without putting the effort in. I will spend hours on each race at Cheltenham, especially the handicaps, and only after I have my selected picked, will I check what the tipsters say, just in case they mention a negative that I have missed. You have the same info the tipsters use to form opinions, so study and make your own mind up.
Sure he's a lovely chap, but everything comes down to price and value. The bookies don't give any, and if they do, they close your account. I wouldn't waste your time spending those hours reading about it to be honest... bookies are a stitch-up. It's an industry-wide thing, to draw a comparison, if you were buying a car, the bloke selling it might be a nice chap and you could read about people who have had cars like it but it woudln't change the fact he's selling it to you at a ridiculous price to make a fat profit for himself and his paymasters. Just a thought :)
@@CaanBerryProTrader Completely agree, though my way of thinking is if you do all the work yourself, you work out the value yourself. So whatever the book percentage, you could/might still find a value bet if you put the effort in. Anyway, really enjoy your vids. Reminds me of the Greenshield? bet complaints/answers section in the paper Sporting Life from years gone by or is that a figment of my imagination?
I've never heard of it! but I guess that was before bookmakers bought all the news outlets 🤣
Great video
When trainers and jockeys are sponsored by bookies.....sorry I mean "employ" them to wrote columns then you know its not a fair field for all.
They have a hold on the entire industry.
What do you think to New Industry SP on Greyhound Racing Caan? Used by High St Bookmakers,anybody will beat SP Now and get accounts shut Online if betting a few winners.
Dogs are pretty crooked in the betting tbh, but I think its the industries fault for making it that way. People gotta make their money somehow. Dogs are usually the easiest way to get restricted.
I just watch upping the ante, DJ and Gavin Lynch, free and bitta craic and in profit mostky for cheltenham
This why i follow my own eyes and heart, you should not rely on another person when it comes to money. Its easy just follow racing watch all the races that lead towards Cheltenham and the horse. Before Cheltenham starts you should have 90% of horses you are going to bet on at the festival only use racing post for form and latest news as for tips F THAT 😂😂😂
Caan you clever man.
Who still regularly buys the racing post? Just a bookies pamphlet these days, everything you need is on internet using your own eyes etc, tipsters are what they are, bookies foils…
You would be suprised mate, lots do.
He tipped l’homme presse in the video and it won?
In The Know before Cheltenham on racing post TH-cam is free and he gives multiple tips on there.
Picked by the bookies too, right?
Excellent content as always caan.
Cheers!
Caan hi. Thank you. Stunning truths.
Can't be argued with really can they :)
Betting should be Fun i here them say, well if people did bet just for fun i.e. a flutter there would be no bookmakers left because they would not be able to make it pay.
Think maybe you're underestimating how many people bet? around 50% of adults do each month.
William hill are blagging,,there saying sign up and get 40/1 for Amir khan and 30/1 for Kelly.But when u sign up you dont get that 😭
They all move the goalposts like this, take a look at this, won't take a bet... th-cam.com/video/ocS3WaXVKuM/w-d-xo.html
We just released a video about william hill that will want to see!! Check it out.
Novibet have ceased trading in the UK.
Not suprised to hear that.
Isn't Maddy a contributing journalist on Racing Post already? Anyone who "pays for tips" is misguided, the best betting advice I ever had was "pick your own losers". The value in the market these days is absolutely awful but most punters who follow Pricewise are weekend ITV punters who are unlikely to be a problem. The Racing Post is tied in with many bookmakers and you have to take that into account when considering any advice they offer. As McCririck used to say "shop around and find the value (which is scarce these days). I don't subscribe to the Post and I am a small stakes punter who makes his own choices but takes in as much information as possible to do so. The Post social media content is as much about entertainment for me than anything else.
There aren't any journalists there IMO, just bookie PR people. Last week there was a double page article about why restrictions aren't a problem, despite people been screaming about it for 10 years as a massive problem for anyone who makes a profit. Meanwhile, the losers get the red carpet treatment and 'tips'.
bloody tip of the pip
They haven’t hired Maddy she works there.
The Racing Post, like the MSM full of bollocks
Its really gone down hill IMO.
@@CaanBerryProTrader Sick of the paper. Pricing is a piss take. Most of the time they are looking for negativity in Racing. Nearly all there reporters are college leavers with an interest in Sport....not a love of Racing.
Whats the alternative to racingpost?
Barely any, I believe the same parent company owns most of them.
Interesting video but hardly a revelation that tipsters, bookmakers and press are interlinked. Betting has alwaysbeen about 2 key words , value and control. Use your own knowledge, if the bet doesn't represent value then don't bet it, this goes for a 1/2 shot sames as it does for a 20/1. And have some control, don't bet for the sake of it, bet only when your experience and knowledge tells you is value. I follow Tom Segal but its difficult to get value on his tips given his profile now,so it would be stupid to bet him blind. Bookies can draw people in with big headlines , eye catching but poor value promos and special "enhanced price" bets that still don't represent value.Exercise control, use your head and there is money to be won from the bookies....so many don't and that's where the profit lies.
I don't listen to pricewise I go mainly by weather anyway if u try to back his tip in say a patent or lucky 15 it's minimum stake so they must be afraid of payouts so he must have a big following . Is it green eyed monster with people just watch or switch off.
Good video, to be honest I always enjoy the racing posts 'what a shout'. However, they always seem to choose the hardest races to look at for tips or ones with little value.
Never watched it, will refrain. Can see from the intro its one big advert.
@@CaanBerryProTrader You've missed nothing. The usual presenter is a numpty!🙄
The fact that Tom takes races selected by bookmakers is common knowledge even before the video the other day. He makes no attempt to hide it. And the "solution" you give at the, I fail to see how this would help that situation? Having an independent wallet doesn't stop you following a tipsters tips, two completely different issues. Watch any of the shows that Tom does including In The Know and he comes across very open and honest, whilst at times slating the bookmakers offers of alleged value.
If you read the comments its not common knowledge. The solution is for an industry wide problem that there is a governemnt review going on, has been for a year, maybe you were unaware of the total state things are in right now?
@@CaanBerryProTrader Might not be common knowledge but you can hardly say he's slipped up revealing it though. It's explained in 'The Secrets of Pricewise' published way back in 2012 by the Racing Post themselves.
Tom Doesn't need to bet large stakes on his tips, I wonder if he and his close associates, back his tips on the exchanges before they are announced and lay for a profit when the odds crash ????
if you watch the video you'll see he says he doesn't back them. you'd need the price to be available on the exchange to get it 🤣
You are made man
Your analysis doesn’t add up or make any sense ,if Tom segal was working in cahoots with the bookmakers he surely wouldn’t have tipped up 4 winners at ascot recently giving his followers a 2,000-1 winning Acca . You’re clutching at straws with your accusatory tone, pricewise gave another 11-2 winner Saturday I’m sure corals would prefer he’d tip an 11-10 loser than the decent priced winners he regularly tips . I can’t see anything wrong in how he operates and the openness of how he is in the interview. You seem to be the one trying to benefit for views with sensationalist click bait videos with no substance .
It makes perfect sense. You don't seem to understand how betting odds and probability/profit work. It's nothing to do with winners, I would recommend watching this video to understand more: th-cam.com/video/iL4rmbwFwEY/w-d-xo.html
So many hypocrites in gambling.
To find the most the fastest, just have to look at the most profitable platforms like RP. Today there was an article in there saying that restrictions are nonsense and its all BS. I mean have a day off lol.
@@CaanBerryProTrader hahahaha
its all about makeing money allso gamble responsably
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Isn't the idea of a single wallet the same thing as crypto gambling?
Similar concept but I imagine it will be in sterling and therefore wont fluctuate like crypto
No different then nicholls Elliot and the other trainers and jockeys they have marking their cards for them. Same as the fodder of racing they want put on shite from wolves Southwell and gaffe tracks with unreliable donkeys running
All be on Cheltenham preview nights soon too...
Good vid mate keep exposing these scum bags 👍
Just another part of the world is just a illusion ,,
Looks that way mate.
Lots of really good points here Caan and completely on board with it being an extremely floored and bookmaker favouring landscape but the narrative in your video surrounding the female presenter is completely irrelevant.
If you use the word "narrative", no more needs to be said and of course Caan is spot on with his comment.
Not really a narative was it, merely a fleeting point about how the industry behaves. Lots of outlets do it.
@@CaanBerryProTrader a fleeting point mentioned 4 times throughout, just seemed a bit over the top for me. Good content as always though, all the best