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The funny part is, Dave Mustaine is a self-admitted self-taught "street" guitarist - he absolutely would've been looking for the most direct way to play a riff; any fancy high speed position shifting/string skipping would've been the responsibility of his lead guitarists. These tabs read like someone just threw the notes into a program like Sibelius, hit "convert to Guitar Tab", and then called it a day.
@@vajda958 after? Can you imagine you're about to teach someone you think is going to be some wannabe rockstar kid and fucking Dave Mustaine walks through the door? I'd panic
Buying these books was the best feeling ever. Sitting on the bus on your way home and fantasizing about being finally able to play all your favorite riffs... and then feeling discouraged once you actually got around to learning them.
I think I actually learned it from a Guitar world magazine that had a couple lessons from Marty Friedman in it and it was very different from the cherry lane (?) tab book that I had been learning it from.
This is a perfect example of why training your ear and learning your way around the fretboard is so important. Tabs are incredibly useful to give you a general sense of what's going on, but don't be afraid to question them, listen to the recording, watch the artists perform the tracks live, etc.
The cool thing about music is that there are numerous ways to play it, but the notes need to be correct. I feel like the people who wrote this didn't really understand how to transcribe properly and probably were relatively inexperienced or drunk when they wrote it. What a shame. I'm sure there were a lot of people playing the music incorrectly because they used this book as a guide.
you can do it! That was one of my very first Songs i learned. Took me months but really made me from beginner to novice/intermediate (except the solos of course........)
Oh man, story of my life... It was so discouraging, especially back in the 90's... Pretty much no internet, no youtube, no alternative, no one to ask. Struggling with this kind of situation, and trying to make sense like " ohh, Mustaine or Hetfield or Hanneman etc. are geniuses and I'm a retarded person, that's why they are up on the stage and I'm down here" (well, that is probably true anyway :))
Actually, it's not being able to play insanely difficult riffs, that gets musicians like Hetfield and Mustaine on those big stages, it's being able to write beautiful and memorable riffs. Just look at the vast amount of musicians making guitar covers here on TH-cam. Many of them can probably play just as well as many famous touring musicians, but they won't get anywhere outside of TH-cam, if they can't write decent stuff of their own.
Truths. I bought a tab book that was literally MADE by the guitarist of the band in question (I think it was The Dangerous Summer) and the entire thing was in the wrong tuning.
@@aaroningram1060 How about Night Ranger's Jeff Watson on Don't Tell Me You Love Me. Talks about his wide tripplets. Impossible to play. Turns out he's tapping. Same with Judas Priest and Hellbent for Leather.
You telling me i wanted to get back to playing an instrument so i got a Yamaha DX reface for m birthday and dug out my doors anthology book of Ray's keyboard parts; half the keys the song are correct but it still feels off with the solos having a few odd notes that still work but isn't what he actually plays. It's like the biggest companies make the worst crap(looking at you Hal Leonard)
Ah, the ol’ tab book. I remember back in the day the Guitar Center here in Chicago had a Beatles tablature box set of their entire catalog. The whole enchilada. It was $100. I was 15 and had been playing guitar for a little over a year and learning fast. I talked my dad into buying it and calling my birthday or Christmas present, something like that. When we got there to buy it, it was gone. I was straight up heart broken. I still have never seen another one, anywhere, to this day. TO THIS DAY! (Deontay Wilder voice)
When Mustaine went on the Alex Jones show in 2012 he mentioned how this was transcribed by Wolf Marshal "who did all the Cherry Lane transcriptions" and it was wrong.
Wolf Marshall was all over the tab scene back in the early 90s. Seemed like he was transcribing everything. No wonder he was mailing it in after a while.
I'm wondering if the tabs were generated with a computer, maybe through a midi file or something? Especially after that bullshit at 4:31... No human in thier right mind would tab that out like that.
The coolest part about the end of daves solo is that you actually start with an upstroke on the barred 12th fret e, and kinda do it in a way where you're getting pinched harmonics from it. Hard to describe but I think I saw him do it and when I tried it, it was there! So cool!
These tabs were my life back in the early 2000s when I first started learning the guitar. Took most of them with me to Iraq a few times even. I’m sooooo glad I found this channel and that I wasn’t alone in thinking the tabs were funky lol.
Hi Mike, I just wanted to say this was a great video. I'm 45 and have been playing since I was 17... I bought the Rust In Peace book for around $40 Australian many years ago. For people who are new to guitar, unfortunately these books can give people a real bum steer and you are also correct that back then there were certainly no you tubes or much in the way of other resources to help people. Not only did I and others spent countless hours trying to play parts tabbed wrong and almost impossible to play properly, we now have to spend time learning them with more accurate tabs fighting against 20 years of muscle memory...
There's a part of me that admires that they even included the brief feedback bursts because noise like that does deserve to be treated as part of the composition (think about how much less gutsy Weezer's "Say It Ain't So" would be if they hadn't used the take with guitar feedback swelling up before the chorus), even if it can't really be notated beyond general directions like "let feed back" or "high-pitched feedback," but then it was all open strings and I had to retract that admiration - if you're gonna notate the presence of noise and feedback, don't get it wrong!
Ι remember getting this tab when I was 14 years old, trying to play with my limited abilities back then, closing the book and thinking "well.... there goes my money down the drain..." Thanks for the video Mike!
10:32 I'm probably wrong but I think what they might mean is to fret at 14, tap the string at 26 (or halfway between the 14th fret and the bridge) with a finger (don't keep the finger on the string) so you'll have the fretted note at 14 and it's octave harmonic at 26 both audible. A pick tap might work but it's not always good about getting both notes to ring together (and you get more wiggle room to hit it with the greater area of string contact from a finger.) The sliding part is possibly what happens when someone tries to tab fret noise or more likely a full step bend up and back (which would bend both the fretted note and harmonic.) To avoid having to guess where the imaginary octave fret is, move it to 10/22-24 on the b string or 5/17-19 on the e string .
Such a damn good tune! I'm always a little nervous to learn anything from TAB in case it's wrong 😂 I might just have to bite the Sweating Bullet and get a TAB book for this.
Learning from tabs can be helpful but you can always play parts over the song or play then listen and compare. That way you can try to fix where tabs are wrong and helps with some ear training.
@@aydenhenley7147 Good idea, usually. The tabs are user submitted, so they could have transcribed it from the tab book. Best is ultimate guitar pro, if you are willing to pay.
These videos are giving me a whole new perspective on how learning songs on guitar was for many people back in the day. I've only been playing for around 4 years, so when I want to learn some riffs I just find the top rated tab on Ultimate Guitar, and it's most likely pretty much spot on. I'm so glad I haven't had to struggle with tab books like these.
You are so right about the crazy stretch I thought these guitarists had. I also thought the two guitars on one tab were one guitar. That really messed my brother and me up when we were learning.
Joe Walsh told one of the Beatles was a really tough song to learn, but he did it. Said Beatle was impressed….Walsh had not realized 2 guitars were playing the great guitar parts in harmony. Walsh did both parts himself.
I feel like the cliche "when i was a kid, we we had to walk through 6' snowdrifts, up hill, BOTH WAYS!" But it is definitely easier for players to learn songs, technique, theory etc., Today than it was in the late 80s/early 90s when i started. Tabs were almost always poorly transcribed, if you could even find them at all. I remember song books, that were written as actually sheet music, no tabs; but many were all but useless because all they had were the melodies with the chords on the top. They were pretty much only useful for singers. We had internet at my house a few years before most of my friends did, my father was into Ham radio, rebuilding old radios, electronics and shit like that. We had a c Commodore 64 a few years before that. I would find tabs online that were LITERALLY never right. Tabs123 was one of the earliest. Besides being notorious for being wrong, they had to be made by physically hitting the "-" dash from one side to the other, 6 times to represent the strings. Printing them out was a whole other issue. We didn't have color printers, what they printed was no different from what you could do on a typewriters, so they were difficult to see clearly. They were printed on the paper that had the holes running on the sides that you had to remove when it was done printing, and they came as 1 long continuous pages that were perforated so you could pull each page off. However the way they printed, there inevitably be pages that cut off one of the tab lines, so 1 page might have the LowE to G, and the top of the next one had B & E. You had to use a ruler to write in the strings that were cut off. The only other place you could find them was in magazines, but you were at the mercy of whatever they decided to transcribe from one month to the next. Even then they were usually only part of the song, maybe just the main riff. I knew a lot of players who developed really bad or fucked up technique by learning them from magazines. It's hard for players to actually accurately explain their playing style because they're usually not even thinking about it. An interviewer would ask them how they play something, and the response would be "um, im not sure let me see," then they'd play it to figure it out. The problem was that once they were paying attention, they would end up playing it differently that they normally would. This goes double for fast, shredding solos. One of my friends to this day has they most awkward hybrid picking techniques I've ever witnessed. He would hold the pick so that the tip was pointed from the tip of his thump instead of the side like you're supposed to do it. So the tip would be lining up with your thumb nail. They tell you to hang you're hand loosely toward the strings, with your other fingers that you're going to be using. But theb way it was worded you could easily misunderstand the "towards" of the string to be perpendicular to the way the strings (or body), when you really should have them parallel with the strings. So his hand is like 5" away from the strings, his wrist is bent practically in a 90⁰ angle from his arm, and he extends his pick and fingers toward the strings. If it was an acoustic, his fingers would be pointed into the sound hole. It's such a screwed up way to do it that i remember more than once people who've never even held a guitar, let alone play one, point out that it doesn't look right, it's that obvious. I had worked in a repair shop 15 years ago, and every once in a while a client would be dropping off or picking up a guitar. When i would have them play it to make sure that its what they wanted, they would play with that same bizarre way, so i hunted down the issue. Sure as shit, i immediately saw why so many people who practiced it developed this terrible technique. The 2 or 3 pictures (which not all lessons have) were done in a way that didn't show clearly what he was doing, they were pretty much useless. That's just 1 of many similar stories.
The internet and quality tabs have definitely helped make learning guitar easier, back in the day it seems like you basically needed a teacher, or a really good ear, to not suck
Dude we DID have to walk uphill both ways in a blizzard!!! I took lessons but even then my guitar teacher had a tough time trying to learn these super intricate parts. So I learned to play stuff by ear by listening to it over and over and over and just seeing what made sense on the guitar.
Very nice catch and spot with Tool's "Vicarious" in there! I never thought about any comparisons regarding that riff, but when you noticed it, I thought the same.
I just downloaded the Book and today I got into Dave´s final solo and I was like: "That´s looks and sounds really weird" and decided to make a research so i got to your video. Thank you very much! YOu save e a lot of time and effort Bro !!
Maybe because many of those songs are too hard to figure out. Some years ago I barely could find tabs/covers for the crazy Judas Priest's Ram It Down guitar solo. Same goes for All Guns Blazing.
Dude I just discovered your channel and these videos and man am I right there with you brother!!! I'm 41 and I stared playing Megadeth in Jr. High. My dad drove me an hour each way to buy me the Countdown tab when it came out. And that garbage Nevermind book you also covered! Anyway, I am that dude who couldn't read, assumed the book had to be right, I just wasn't good enough, and struggled through. Maybe it made me better in some ways. Hell I still have almost every tab I ever bought and am still actively building my collection. At least now as a mature player I have some perspective and know what I am buying. My tabs are as prized to me as my guitars, some more so. Anyway, rock on!!!
no doubt man.... part of what taught me to watch videos , and learn a lot by ear. even seeing the hand positions live made so much of a difference for me in finding out what was really being played vs crazy tab
Right of the bat… thanks for listening to subscribers really enjoyed this as I had the same child hood guitar issues , Almost stopped me playing. these book are not cheap
Not only is sheet music easier to follow once you learn to read it, it can give you options without you needing to think or it can specify, but it is generally more accurate, even in the same book! Plus with all the time you spend looking at numbers and counting frets, figuring out fingerings, you could just spend it learning to read music and play intuitively by knowing your intervals, you can play stuff you haven't heard before and it will make picking up any instrument easier, or even let you play stuff written for any other instrument.
Long overdue? The punishment due. That intro, the first few bars without the jump, is how I learned it from a guitar pro tab like 15 years ago and it never sounded wrong to me. I guess you always learn something new. Funnily enough I thought this is surprisingly one of the easier songs to sing while playing the verse I found. Not perfectly, given that my singing abilities while playing are non-existent, but this one lines up pretty nicely.
I had to pull this book out and follow along. I’m so glad you’re doing these videos because I specifically remember giving up on this song when I got to the acoustic part. Just couldn’t get it to work. I kinda cobbled together my own version of the rest of it, so I never even noticed a lot of the mistakes because I don’t even remember looking at each note in the book. I’d look at the parts to get an idea of it and then I was so impatient to learn it by reading a book I’d just figure it out by ear. No wonder I never learned a whole song! Now I want to see the real way to play Hanger 18!
Love all your videos brother! Really helpful and brings back so many memories! Used that same tab book back in the day to try and learn this. Realized how many mistakes were in it, just listened to the song over and over, figured it out myself, and been playing it *mostly* correct ever since! 🤘🙂
Mike, you make awesome content man! Thanks for putting out so many great videos on the varieties of topics possible in music. Love it bro, keep rocking!! 🎸⚡
Thanks Mike, this video brought back the same memories and frustration trying to learn songs from rust in piece with the official book. Totally agree this book makes it way harder on top of hard songs to begin with. I found wrong notes in Tornado of souls, and used to use my Digitech GNX2 to record and slow down 9 seconds of music at a time to work the notes out. That's why these days I use amazing slow downer all the way. Time consuming, but very rewarding when you nail the music exactly! Being able to watch their fingers on TH-cam vids really helps too.
I found some tabs in panteras the walk. Learned the correct way by listening over by ear. Best way to learn....period. Tabs are a good way to start,they can get you into the ballpark,but you have to put the time in. I know a lot of great guitar players. But to tell a really great,is to be able to hear someone play and know who they are.
When I first started reading the guitar tabs I couldn't understand it and back in the day I just quit trying to learn guitar. But at 50 years of age I can watch TH-cam videos and learn more easily.
Also. Try it with the Marty Friedman picking hand placement he uses all the time. Jesus I dont know how he plays guitar so well with his picking hand always staying out of the way if muting the strings. Hes a beast.
2 years too late but when I first learned the song, it was from one of the guitar magazines of the time (I might even still have it) and it was WAY more accurate than the book. Another thing I remember is how different the song Blackened by Metallica was between the tab in the magazines and the 'official' tab book! Most of my books have white out with the notes that are correct (or at least thought they were at the time) or crossed out!
back in the pre-Internet days I bought the tab book for Kill Em All just to learn Anesthesia and I must say it was extremely accurate.It took me all summer but I learned the whole song and was pretty damn pleased with myself lol!
Wow, I am such a novice guitar player, but a pretty good guitar hero player. This is one of my favourite songs to play on the plastic guitar, and Just hearing you play the song out of the tab book is so painful! The contrast of the tab book to reality is crazy. Love your content! You are a great player and instructor!
I never completely trusted tabs note for note. I would just use them as a foundation to get me started on something and then tweak them from there until they sounded right. They're an OK tool, but shouldn't be used as a crutch. *Blatant Disarray* does a sick cover of this song.
I think, for balance, I should point out that when this album came out (?1990) the internet didn't exist so much of this was transcribed by ear. It was VERY difficult to watch guitarists performing this stuff - unless you had MTV, and even then - tape it on VHS and try to pause it at the right points?? Anybody who has tried similar knows how hard THAT can be! Anyway, that is mostly for those folk who ask why the transcriber didn't just watch the original guitarist play it - wasn't very easy in the early 90's! 🙂
I remember getting that tab book. That was in 96. I got it home, unbelievably excited. Flipped through it, and was happy to be able to play the Tornado of Souls... the opening. That book was ridiculously bad.
I bought this tablature book 25 years ago in high school and I was always puzzled about the Holy Wars transcription when I was trying to play it 🤔 As I worked thru more of the book, I found that the rest of the songs seemed much better in accuracy...
Great video! I often tell my students not to rely wholly on the tabs, as they can be wrong. You’d expect the “official” tabs to be perfect, but they often aren’t and the online tabs are usually worse! Use your ears, check different tabs, watch live footage and/or find tutorials (like this one!) to help you find your way!
i have that book and the countdown to extinction tab book. they're so bad, it's incredible. i was used to good quality material from hal leonard, because of all the troy stetina stuff they have, so i gave those tab books a shot. i'm glad you're making these videos to get some more attention to this problem.
He's always talking about how much money he has in his videos. In one video he has a Gameboy in his hand but you can clearly see there's another Gameboy in the background.
You must never watch my channel because money is the last thing I'd talk about unless it's a video specifically about how much, or little, you make as a performing musician. Where's this video you speak of where I have 2 Gameboys anyway? I'd love to see that.
yup i remember those tabs and I learned that no one plays the same thing at the same place on the fret board. I usually try to get what I can by hear first then go get some stuff I can't figure out by myself. Tabs are usually horrible.
Next mistake... No more mistakes!
I definitely knew someone would do this!
You win the thread.
Best comment! LOL!
unfortunately the idiots who transcribed the guitar tab books never got the damn memo!
@@GuitarsAndSynths Dude some poeple risk to eploy you.
First mistake... 1:02
Last mistake. 10:59
You win
No more mistakes 12:51
Brilliant guys
😂🤣🤘🏼
god
The Official tab was originally transcribed by:
-Dave Mistake
-Dave Help-me-son
-Marty fried-hand
-Nick not "Menza" be played the right way.
💀
Lmao
This is actually a funny original joke 😂
LoL 😂😂
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The funny part is, Dave Mustaine is a self-admitted self-taught "street" guitarist - he absolutely would've been looking for the most direct way to play a riff; any fancy high speed position shifting/string skipping would've been the responsibility of his lead guitarists. These tabs read like someone just threw the notes into a program like Sibelius, hit "convert to Guitar Tab", and then called it a day.
Yeah, he even said he started actual guitar classes way AFTER founding Megadeth (it was in a video interview somewhere)
That's exactly what it looks like lol
@@vajda958 after? Can you imagine you're about to teach someone you think is going to be some wannabe rockstar kid and fucking Dave Mustaine walks through the door? I'd panic
@@vajda958 he wanted chris poland to teach him. After his left hand injury, he got guitar lessons to improve his hand
It's almost like a classical guitar were your trying to utilize the closest area electric guitar it's not like that it's not like a piano for guitar
Playing Dave’s riffs on Hetfield’s guitar 😁😁
No one tell Dave!
It's always better that way
What did he steal it from James?
so its basically kill em all
The irony.
"Not forgivable"? So you dub them...
*Unforgiven?*
Metallica reference. Ironic.
‘What I fret, what I’m shown
Never sounds much like the song,
Never played… just like Dave…
So I Tab thee Unforgiven….’
👍😂
get out XD
I got that reference
Someone needs to get these artists to try and play their own songs from a tab book.
XD
that's actually an excellent idea, would love to see
Buying these books was the best feeling ever. Sitting on the bus on your way home and fantasizing about being finally able to play all your favorite riffs... and then feeling discouraged once you actually got around to learning them.
I think I actually learned it from a Guitar world magazine that had a couple lessons from Marty Friedman in it and it was very different from the cherry lane (?) tab book that I had been learning it from.
I had this exact experience 😂
This is a perfect example of why training your ear and learning your way around the fretboard is so important. Tabs are incredibly useful to give you a general sense of what's going on, but don't be afraid to question them, listen to the recording, watch the artists perform the tracks live, etc.
I remember having this tab book as a young child, it really sucked
Does it suck less as an adult child?
Lucky ass. I had to learn this by ear. Still play a hybrid of my way and the tab way
the cover art is cool but tabs are the worst
Honestly the greatest hits tab book is much better with holy wars and hanger 18. Amongst other songs you would want to play from Megadeth.
The cool thing about music is that there are numerous ways to play it, but the notes need to be correct. I feel like the people who wrote this didn't really understand how to transcribe properly and probably were relatively inexperienced or drunk when they wrote it. What a shame. I'm sure there were a lot of people playing the music incorrectly because they used this book as a guide.
“Holy Wars, The Punishment Due” is my favorite Megadeth song of all time. It’s on my bucket list to learn.
you can do it! That was one of my very first Songs i learned. Took me months but really made me from beginner to novice/intermediate (except the solos of course........)
You can learn the song with about 4 months of playing
Buy the official tab book 👌🏻 ohh… wait… nevermind 😅
its not too hard
How long have you been playing?
Oh man, story of my life... It was so discouraging, especially back in the 90's... Pretty much no internet, no youtube, no alternative, no one to ask. Struggling with this kind of situation, and trying to make sense like " ohh, Mustaine or Hetfield or Hanneman etc. are geniuses and I'm a retarded person, that's why they are up on the stage and I'm down here" (well, that is probably true anyway :))
I was in a mega-tallica group and we began to learn this whole album. I remember skipping holy wars because the tab was insane...
And more unfair, newer players don’t have the experience to see through the bullshit.
Actually, it's not being able to play insanely difficult riffs, that gets musicians like Hetfield and Mustaine on those big stages, it's being able to write beautiful and memorable riffs.
Just look at the vast amount of musicians making guitar covers here on TH-cam. Many of them can probably play just as well as many famous touring musicians, but they won't get anywhere outside of TH-cam, if they can't write decent stuff of their own.
I know your pain. I wish I had access to today's resources when I started playing.
Guitar magazines...
Bottomline: the "official" tabs are not official. Like.. ever. Don't buy them.
I found a lot of songs dont have true or canonical script. Instead they have "direction" lol.
Truths. I bought a tab book that was literally MADE by the guitarist of the band in question (I think it was The Dangerous Summer) and the entire thing was in the wrong tuning.
It's not hetfield it's his own guitar
@@aaroningram1060 How about Night Ranger's Jeff Watson on Don't Tell Me You Love Me. Talks about his wide tripplets. Impossible to play. Turns out he's tapping. Same with Judas Priest and Hellbent for Leather.
You telling me i wanted to get back to playing an instrument so i got a Yamaha DX reface for m birthday and dug out my doors anthology book of Ray's keyboard parts; half the keys the song are correct but it still feels off with the solos having a few odd notes that still work but isn't what he actually plays. It's like the biggest companies make the worst crap(looking at you Hal Leonard)
'Holy Wars' is the name of the song. '(The Punishment Due)' is the name of the official tab.
Actually, the song is a combination of Holy wars, and the punishment due
3 years later and u still never got the joke huh
Ah, the ol’ tab book. I remember back in the day the Guitar Center here in Chicago had a Beatles tablature box set of their entire catalog. The whole enchilada. It was $100. I was 15 and had been playing guitar for a little over a year and learning fast. I talked my dad into buying it and calling my birthday or Christmas present, something like that. When we got there to buy it, it was gone. I was straight up heart broken. I still have never seen another one, anywhere, to this day. TO THIS DAY! (Deontay Wilder voice)
Also, this is quickly becoming one of my favourite series, not least because you keep picking a bunch of my favourite songs: looking forward to more!
When Mustaine went on the Alex Jones show in 2012 he mentioned how this was transcribed by Wolf Marshal "who did all the Cherry Lane transcriptions" and it was wrong.
I'm pretty sure he also did the ....And Justice for All tab book, which I guess explains why that one is also terrible.
How do guys like this keep getting work? I’m guessing pre internet good transcribers were hard to find
Wolf Marshall was all over the tab scene back in the early 90s. Seemed like he was transcribing everything. No wonder he was mailing it in after a while.
Adam Jones got the chorus of Vicarious from the Megadeath tab book that''s totally wrong lol
And you got Megadeth's name wrong :P.
and its the verse not the chorus
That's cool
You could also look at Megadeth: selections from Peace Sells & So Far, So Good... Oh man. Where to begin with that one.
That book is bloody woeful.
I'm getting interested to know who made all this weird notation for these "teaching" books.
Billy the unpaid intern.
I'm wondering if the tabs were generated with a computer, maybe through a midi file or something? Especially after that bullshit at 4:31... No human in thier right mind would tab that out like that.
@@wardkdouglas right? like tabs that reference 29th fret and expect us to stretch from 12th fret to 30th fret lol
@@wardkdouglas yeah most likely honestly, i will put midi into a tab software, and its always wild stuff like that
they're teaching you how to play it wrong
Ahhh how nostalgic the first megadeth song I've learned and played
How did you become so powerful the first Megadeth song you played was this one?
@@spacejesus4747 It’s not that hard, if you can play blackened you’ll have no problem with rust in peace
Its much easier than KiMB album songs to play
Sliding the pick on the string was hilarious.
"What, do they think we're Al Dimeola?"...that cracked me up!
what great timing, I was about to give up on practicing Holy Wars. THANKS MIKE
The coolest part about the end of daves solo is that you actually start with an upstroke on the barred 12th fret e, and kinda do it in a way where you're getting pinched harmonics from it. Hard to describe but I think I saw him do it and when I tried it, it was there! So cool!
I love the sound that makes.
I love how he's so chill and seems to love teaching guitar and then casually shredds like an 80s vilain
These tabs were my life back in the early 2000s when I first started learning the guitar. Took most of them with me to Iraq a few times even. I’m sooooo glad I found this channel and that I wasn’t alone in thinking the tabs were funky lol.
Hi Mike, I just wanted to say this was a great video. I'm 45 and have been playing since I was 17... I bought the Rust In Peace book for around $40 Australian many years ago. For people who are new to guitar, unfortunately these books can give people a real bum steer and you are also correct that back then there were certainly no you tubes or much in the way of other resources to help people. Not only did I and others spent countless hours trying to play parts tabbed wrong and almost impossible to play properly, we now have to spend time learning them with more accurate tabs fighting against 20 years of muscle memory...
There's a part of me that admires that they even included the brief feedback bursts because noise like that does deserve to be treated as part of the composition (think about how much less gutsy Weezer's "Say It Ain't So" would be if they hadn't used the take with guitar feedback swelling up before the chorus), even if it can't really be notated beyond general directions like "let feed back" or "high-pitched feedback," but then it was all open strings and I had to retract that admiration - if you're gonna notate the presence of noise and feedback, don't get it wrong!
Or the feedback in "Mayonaise" from The Smashing Pumpkins.
Or the feedback after the solo in "Don't Feaк The Reaper"; at least it seems that that song is tabbed correctly in thу tab book.
Ι remember getting this tab when I was 14 years old, trying to play with my limited abilities back then, closing the book and thinking "well.... there goes my money down the drain..." Thanks for the video Mike!
"Today i just decided to go with the gameboy"🤣 I love this guy
He explained why, the usual Internet douchebags got butthurt when he used the Boss pedal because they're most probably worshipping it.
These are crazy entertaining to watch... having struggled with these books personally as a beginner guitarist. Need more of these videos! ☺
10:32 I'm probably wrong but I think what they might mean is to fret at 14, tap the string at 26 (or halfway between the 14th fret and the bridge) with a finger (don't keep the finger on the string) so you'll have the fretted note at 14 and it's octave harmonic at 26 both audible. A pick tap might work but it's not always good about getting both notes to ring together (and you get more wiggle room to hit it with the greater area of string contact from a finger.) The sliding part is possibly what happens when someone tries to tab fret noise or more likely a full step bend up and back (which would bend both the fretted note and harmonic.)
To avoid having to guess where the imaginary octave fret is, move it to 10/22-24 on the b string or 5/17-19 on the e string .
Such a damn good tune! I'm always a little nervous to learn anything from TAB in case it's wrong 😂 I might just have to bite the Sweating Bullet and get a TAB book for this.
Just use songsterr.
Learning from tabs can be helpful but you can always play parts over the song or play then listen and compare. That way you can try to fix where tabs are wrong and helps with some ear training.
@@aydenhenley7147 Good idea, usually. The tabs are user submitted, so they could have transcribed it from the tab book. Best is ultimate guitar pro, if you are willing to pay.
Dude, can you make a lot of videos like this? I feel like this can be your thing. Not even getting started on apps and guitar pro. Anyway, much love.
This is like his 3rd or 4th video on the subject.
These videos are giving me a whole new perspective on how learning songs on guitar was for many people back in the day. I've only been playing for around 4 years, so when I want to learn some riffs I just find the top rated tab on Ultimate Guitar, and it's most likely pretty much spot on. I'm so glad I haven't had to struggle with tab books like these.
10:02 WOW! That must be the most confusing tab i've ever seen XD
i started playing in 96, and it was hard times. nowadays its guitar heaven.
Such a good feeling when you learn something you wished you could play when you were new
You are so right about the crazy stretch I thought these guitarists had. I also thought the two guitars on one tab were one guitar. That really messed my brother and me up when we were learning.
Joe Walsh told one of the Beatles was a really tough song to learn, but he did it.
Said Beatle was impressed….Walsh had not realized 2 guitars were playing the great guitar parts in harmony. Walsh did both parts himself.
I feel like the cliche "when i was a kid, we we had to walk through 6' snowdrifts, up hill, BOTH WAYS!" But it is definitely easier for players to learn songs, technique, theory etc., Today than it was in the late 80s/early 90s when i started. Tabs were almost always poorly transcribed, if you could even find them at all. I remember song books, that were written as actually sheet music, no tabs; but many were all but useless because all they had were the melodies with the chords on the top. They were pretty much only useful for singers.
We had internet at my house a few years before most of my friends did, my father was into Ham radio, rebuilding old radios, electronics and shit like that. We had a c Commodore 64 a few years before that. I would find tabs online that were LITERALLY never right. Tabs123 was one of the earliest.
Besides being notorious for being wrong, they had to be made by physically hitting the "-" dash from one side to the other, 6 times to represent the strings. Printing them out was a whole other issue. We didn't have color printers, what they printed was no different from what you could do on a typewriters, so they were difficult to see clearly. They were printed on the paper that had the holes running on the sides that you had to remove when it was done printing, and they came as 1 long continuous pages that were perforated so you could pull each page off. However the way they printed, there inevitably be pages that cut off one of the tab lines, so 1 page might have the LowE to G, and the top of the next one had B & E. You had to use a ruler to write in the strings that were cut off.
The only other place you could find them was in magazines, but you were at the mercy of whatever they decided to transcribe from one month to the next. Even then they were usually only part of the song, maybe just the main riff. I knew a lot of players who developed really bad or fucked up technique by learning them from magazines.
It's hard for players to actually accurately explain their playing style because they're usually not even thinking about it. An interviewer would ask them how they play something, and the response would be "um, im not sure let me see," then they'd play it to figure it out. The problem was that once they were paying attention, they would end up playing it differently that they normally would. This goes double for fast, shredding solos.
One of my friends to this day has they most awkward hybrid picking techniques I've ever witnessed.
He would hold the pick so that the tip was pointed from the tip of his thump instead of the side like you're supposed to do it. So the tip would be lining up with your thumb nail. They tell you to hang you're hand loosely toward the strings, with your other fingers that you're going to be using.
But theb way it was worded you could easily misunderstand the "towards" of the string to be perpendicular to the way the strings (or body), when you really should have them parallel with the strings. So his hand is like 5" away from the strings, his wrist is bent practically in a 90⁰ angle from his arm, and he extends his pick and fingers toward the strings. If it was an acoustic, his fingers would be pointed into the sound hole.
It's such a screwed up way to do it that i remember more than once people who've never even held a guitar, let alone play one, point out that it doesn't look right, it's that obvious.
I had worked in a repair shop 15 years ago, and every once in a while a client would be dropping off or picking up a guitar. When i would have them play it to make sure that its what they wanted, they would play with that same bizarre way, so i hunted down the issue. Sure as shit, i immediately saw why so many people who practiced it developed this terrible technique. The 2 or 3 pictures (which not all lessons have) were done in a way that didn't show clearly what he was doing, they were pretty much useless.
That's just 1 of many similar stories.
The internet and quality tabs have definitely helped make learning guitar easier, back in the day it seems like you basically needed a teacher, or a really good ear, to not suck
Dude we DID have to walk uphill both ways in a blizzard!!! I took lessons but even then my guitar teacher had a tough time trying to learn these super intricate parts. So I learned to play stuff by ear by listening to it over and over and over and just seeing what made sense on the guitar.
Very nice catch and spot with Tool's "Vicarious" in there! I never thought about any comparisons regarding that riff, but when you noticed it, I thought the same.
I just downloaded the Book and today I got into Dave´s final solo and I was like: "That´s looks and sounds really weird" and decided to make a research so i got to your video. Thank you very much! YOu save e a lot of time and effort Bro !!
One of the hardest songs I learned for the most part. Watching Dave play on Headbangers Ball Live from the start of the Countdown to Extinction Tour.
OMG I've been playing that walkdown section without the menacing 2nd for over 20 years. Much appreciated!
Ought to do a series of the whole album.
This is so relatable. It's content creators like yourself who enable us to have the resources to learn things the right way 🤷
Why do the best songs always have the worst tab books…..? I love these videos, hope you can make a whole series out of it🙌🙌🙌
Maybe because many of those songs are too hard to figure out. Some years ago I barely could find tabs/covers for the crazy Judas Priest's Ram It Down guitar solo. Same goes for All Guns Blazing.
Dude I just discovered your channel and these videos and man am I right there with you brother!!! I'm 41 and I stared playing Megadeth in Jr. High. My dad drove me an hour each way to buy me the Countdown tab when it came out. And that garbage Nevermind book you also covered! Anyway, I am that dude who couldn't read, assumed the book had to be right, I just wasn't good enough, and struggled through. Maybe it made me better in some ways. Hell I still have almost every tab I ever bought and am still actively building my collection. At least now as a mature player I have some perspective and know what I am buying. My tabs are as prized to me as my guitars, some more so. Anyway, rock on!!!
no doubt man.... part of what taught me to watch videos , and learn a lot by ear. even seeing the hand positions live made so much of a difference for me in finding out what was really being played vs crazy tab
I’m glad I learned this song from a Guitar mag tab and not the official tab book.
We did a full cover on the channel Shred Brothers it’s a weird song to learn. We improvised.
I was very disappointed with this tab book….wait till you get to the Lucretia breakdown lol
Right of the bat… thanks for listening to subscribers really enjoyed this as I had the same child hood guitar issues , Almost stopped me playing.
these book are not cheap
7:55 that alrt actually was correct it swtiches back and forth from the 7th fret to the 3rd fret in different parts of the song
My new favorite TH-cam channel. Excellent.
Seeing that classic Gameboy is taking me back lol I had two of those bad bois when I was younger, playing Killer Instinct and Tetris Blast
Not only is sheet music easier to follow once you learn to read it, it can give you options without you needing to think or it can specify, but it is generally more accurate, even in the same book! Plus with all the time you spend looking at numbers and counting frets, figuring out fingerings, you could just spend it learning to read music and play intuitively by knowing your intervals, you can play stuff you haven't heard before and it will make picking up any instrument easier, or even let you play stuff written for any other instrument.
That 26th fret tap and slide was the best
Long overdue? The punishment due.
That intro, the first few bars without the jump, is how I learned it from a guitar pro tab like 15 years ago and it never sounded wrong to me. I guess you always learn something new. Funnily enough I thought this is surprisingly one of the easier songs to sing while playing the verse I found. Not perfectly, given that my singing abilities while playing are non-existent, but this one lines up pretty nicely.
Your bad tab videos are awesome, especially Megadeth!
"doesn't that look way easier"
me, barely able to play the verse riffs right: haha yeah
I had to pull this book out and follow along. I’m so glad you’re doing these videos because I specifically remember giving up on this song when I got to the acoustic part. Just couldn’t get it to work. I kinda cobbled together my own version of the rest of it, so I never even noticed a lot of the mistakes because I don’t even remember looking at each note in the book. I’d look at the parts to get an idea of it and then I was so impatient to learn it by reading a book I’d just figure it out by ear. No wonder I never learned a whole song! Now I want to see the real way to play Hanger 18!
Love all your videos brother! Really helpful and brings back so many memories! Used that same tab book back in the day to try and learn this. Realized how many mistakes were in it, just listened to the song over and over, figured it out myself, and been playing it *mostly* correct ever since! 🤘🙂
Love your videos and explanations! You are very pedagogical!
Mike, you make awesome content man! Thanks for putting out so many great videos on the varieties of topics possible in music. Love it bro, keep rocking!! 🎸⚡
That Vicarious thing was pretty sick.
The boys in TOOL knew what they were doing.
Thanks Mike, this video brought back the same memories and frustration trying to learn songs from rust in piece
with the official book. Totally agree this book makes it way harder on top of hard songs to begin with.
I found wrong notes in Tornado of souls, and used to use my Digitech GNX2 to record and slow down 9 seconds of
music at a time to work the notes out. That's why these days I use amazing slow downer all the way.
Time consuming, but very rewarding when you nail the music exactly! Being able to watch their fingers on TH-cam vids
really helps too.
I love all these videos. It's amazing how many of these songs I still play wrong because of damn tab books!!!
I like the microphone listening to the heart drawing
That acoustic part oh my god....
I found some tabs in panteras the walk. Learned the correct way by listening over by ear. Best way to learn....period. Tabs are a good way to start,they can get you into the ballpark,but you have to put the time in. I know a lot of great guitar players. But to tell a really great,is to be able to hear someone play and know who they are.
When I first started reading the guitar tabs I couldn't understand it and back in the day I just quit trying to learn guitar. But at 50 years of age I can watch TH-cam videos and learn more easily.
I love the fact you're using an Explorer to play Megadeth
Also. Try it with the Marty Friedman picking hand placement he uses all the time. Jesus I dont know how he plays guitar so well with his picking hand always staying out of the way if muting the strings. Hes a beast.
Can you make best tab books list or something like that
2 years too late but when I first learned the song, it was from one of the guitar magazines of the time (I might even still have it) and it was WAY more accurate than the book. Another thing I remember is how different the song Blackened by Metallica was between the tab in the magazines and the 'official' tab book! Most of my books have white out with the notes that are correct (or at least thought they were at the time) or crossed out!
Also, I think the ending chord on the nylon middle eastern section is an E maj, not E minor.
back in the pre-Internet days I bought the tab book for Kill Em All just to learn Anesthesia and I must say it was extremely accurate.It took me all summer but I learned the whole song and was pretty damn pleased with myself lol!
Wow, I am such a novice guitar player, but a pretty good guitar hero player. This is one of my favourite songs to play on the plastic guitar, and Just hearing you play the song out of the tab book is so painful! The contrast of the tab book to reality is crazy.
Love your content! You are a great player and instructor!
that's how I started out too man, been playing "real guitar" I think over 10 years now
It's funny you mention GH
You'd think that since I've been playing for a Long time I'd be able to play it, no problem
I can't do it. Lol
I never completely trusted tabs note for note. I would just use them as a foundation to get me started on something and then tweak them from there until they sounded right. They're an OK tool, but shouldn't be used as a crutch. *Blatant Disarray* does a sick cover of this song.
I remember getting that book in the 90's. It's a crime how awful it is. That is one album I wish so badly we could get a 'perfect' transcription of.
I couldn’t help salivating over that explorer 😂
"They think we're Al Dimeola!"😂
I think, for balance, I should point out that when this album came out (?1990) the internet didn't exist so much of this was transcribed by ear. It was VERY difficult to watch guitarists performing this stuff - unless you had MTV, and even then - tape it on VHS and try to pause it at the right points?? Anybody who has tried similar knows how hard THAT can be!
Anyway, that is mostly for those folk who ask why the transcriber didn't just watch the original guitarist play it - wasn't very easy in the early 90's! 🙂
I remember getting that tab book. That was in 96. I got it home, unbelievably excited. Flipped through it, and was happy to be able to play the Tornado of Souls... the opening. That book was ridiculously bad.
I bought this tablature book 25 years ago in high school and I was always puzzled about the Holy Wars transcription when I was trying to play it 🤔 As I worked thru more of the book, I found that the rest of the songs seemed much better in accuracy...
Great video! I often tell my students not to rely wholly on the tabs, as they can be wrong. You’d expect the “official” tabs to be perfect, but they often aren’t and the online tabs are usually worse! Use your ears, check different tabs, watch live footage and/or find tutorials (like this one!) to help you find your way!
I have this one! I scratched my head a few time trying to learn the riffs, and finally did some adaptation work on my own.
i have that book and the countdown to extinction tab book. they're so bad, it's incredible. i was used to good quality material from hal leonard, because of all the troy stetina stuff they have, so i gave those tab books a shot. i'm glad you're making these videos to get some more attention to this problem.
Uffffffffffff... I am learning specifically this song for the last 3-4 months... Thanksgod I am learning it correctly !
Why would people dislike this video? Is like disliking a product you bought online because you misread the information next to the product.
Have this book. Swear to god I thought I was going insane when I’d compare the music and the book together
They should have the guitarist(s) look at the tabs before they start selling it. Especially the big companys that make tabs like Hal Leonard
Are you really using an original Gameboy as a paperweight 😂😂😂
Rich people moments
he do be mad flexing doe ngl
@@fyratvanoll3497 Guitar player? Rich?! 😂😂😂😂
He's always talking about how much money he has in his videos. In one video he has a Gameboy in his hand but you can clearly see there's another Gameboy in the background.
You must never watch my channel because money is the last thing I'd talk about unless it's a video specifically about how much, or little, you make as a performing musician. Where's this video you speak of where I have 2 Gameboys anyway? I'd love to see that.
One of my favorite series on TH-cam.
The 3,2,0,0 part, that also makes more sense in how you show it is supposed to do since that's similar to Phantom Lord
The 7th position is where the bass plays when it joins in the harmony
I have this book! Lol. I just remember thinking the end of Tornado's solo was impossible. Then saw this tabs book and all my instincts were true lol
The Yamaha Nylon sounds so good!
yup i remember those tabs and I learned that no one plays the same thing at the same place on the fret board. I usually try to get what I can by hear first then go get some stuff I can't figure out by myself. Tabs are usually horrible.