You obviously don't know Bill McClintock's youtube channel. I think you'll more likely find some Soul Maiden (for example: th-cam.com/video/02LSFTdC5UE/w-d-xo.html), tbh, but don't tempt him like that.
Lol! I still have this book from 1985 or so and I also thought that I was deficient because I couldn't make the tab sound like the song and yet the official book HAD to be right.... right? Later on as my skills got better I just figured it out and did decide that the book was on crack, I'm glad the world has decided that too :)
I always thought i was uncoordinated because they tell you to play highly impractical things and i couldn't move my hand like that, or that I sucked at music because what I was playing did not sound right, even though i was doing what the book said.
That's what I did with the AJFA-book from the previous video. I had just bought my first guitar and me and a bunch of friends from school, all total guitar noobs, were the next aspiring guitar heroes, sitting around the book and trying to figure out, how to make the (wrong) stuff in the book actually sounds like Metallica.
I was also duped by this book. I bought it in the early 90s at a used book store and was so pumped. I used it exactly once...to "learn" the Trooper. I also bought a best of Rush book that was even worse than this one. Oddly, I still own it. But I think that cover is too awesome to throw away.
These books are absolutely DAMAGING! Back in the 90s I would think these were actually written by the band guitarists, or at least someone they were in face-to-face communication with. Sometimes I thought I was going crazy! Probably a conspiracy by anti-metal christians or something.
@@westernrider100 there might be some, but most will call you a satan worshipper and pester you to stop listening to the devil music that causes its listeners to do crimes and múrdér
@@westernrider100 they never said Christians didn't listen to their or play metal music. However back in the 80s / 90s, many things were regarded as satanic by American Conservative Christians such as video games, Dungeons and Dragons, and of course metal music because a lot of it was about the devil. If you're Christian and you listen to metal music, it simply means you're most likely not a Conservative individual, which is objectively a good thing.
@@RickSanchez-dn6rd Mozart was a genius not a normal guy lol. I would expect you of all people to understand the futility in having the same expectations from an average person that you would from a genius Rick :)
It sounds a lot like they simplified it too much to make it "beginner level", but I have to admit, at the end, when the bass guitar was part of the mix, it wasn't particularly *bad*, it was just bland. In the verse you were really just missing the power chord riff of the rhythm guitar. But yeah, I can't really imagine what the actual chorus would sound like with that transcription and the band behind it.
Yeah, it feels to me like an "easy" version. I had a simplified Kill Em All tab book for beginners and it was similar, but from what I remember it was at least fairly accurate.
Wow. I distinctly remember buying this book when I was a kid (at least 25 years ago). And I also remember the disappointment when I tried to replay the songs as they were transcribed. And to be honest, until your video, I always had the idea that it was me who wasn't good enough. You made me smile with nostalgia and relief at the same time :) Excellent video series. Keep up the good work.
I learned quickly that these things were bullshit, and it gave me confidence in myself, lol but yeah not everyone is going to have that kind of take on things.
For those of you commenting about the paper weight...I mean the BOSS Heavy Metal pedal haha: I re-bought this for nostalgic reasons (being my first ever pedal and all). However when it arrived, I plugged it in and it didn't work. Like 5% of the sound was coming out. :( So for now it has become my page holder of choice. ;)
If you’re still going by books by for your tab, the only ones worth a fuck back in the day were by Cherry Lane Music and transcribed by Wolf Marshall who worked for and did 95% of all Guitar Magazine’s transcriptions back in the day.
Don't forget about Andy Aledort. He was the real deal as a transcriber for GFTPM back in the day. His version of The Trooper (Jan. 1985) was the one I learned and it's balls on accurate. He was also one of the first to deal with the "elephant in the room" (YJM) with his transcription of Hiroshima mon Amour (May 85). If I'm not mistaken, he also transcribed "Black Star" for Guitar Player (the year before) when they released the issue with the vinyl floppy. I'm not sure Wolf Marshall even worked for Cherry Hill in the mid 80's. AFAIK all of the really good (i.e. challenging) transcriptions in that magazine were Aledort's. Kid Charlemagne (Steely Dan) was an eye opener, done during this same period, when these magazines ruled. The books being published at the same time were trash in comparison.
I saw them in 2008 for their Somewhere Back in Time tour during Heavy MTL (at Montreal). They were still top shape and kicking ass despite being 22 years older! I bet the only difference was one more guitarist 😄
I am also forgot! It was the show everyone rioted and was turning over cars and burning them! What a crazy night! www.nj.com/bergen/2017/03/a_heavy_metal_riot_at_the_meadowlands_remembered_30_years_later.html
Oh wow, I had that book, I might still do. I got it with some other rock books back in a garage sale back in the late 80's. I got it because it was Iron Maiden, before I picked up a guitar. I think I might tried to play it, but I was just starting out and didn't understand the book, so I set aside. Last time I remember seeing it, the cover was not nearly as nice as yours. I'll have to hunt it down next time I visit my folks. If I have it, it's in their garage somewhere.
I used to buy books like this back in the 70s when I was learning guitar, yeah most of them were so incorrect, finally just learned songs by listening to the record, writing down the lyrics and playing along.
When I was young and trying to learn songs from transcription books, it often sounded awful and I thought it was just me. Much later, as I began to understand music better, I could see the problems in these books. Something I've wondered since gaining this better understanding is WHO do they get to make these awful transcriptions? Why are they so bad? And yes, I have that Iron Maiden book from way back.
They are bad for 1 of 2 reasons: copyright, book is made by a 3rd party so it's just an interpretation. or time crunch, book is produced by publisher with permission from label so it has to release with the album...which is next week btw hurry up.
I literally had a friend who had this exact Maiden tab book because his parents thought wifi was a fad and would just vanish. I learned Wasted Years and The Trooper here on YT, he learned from this book 😂 I accidentally shattered the guy when I told him it sounded awful for some reason (even though he was playing it fairly cleanly) but he insisted it was perfect. Looked at the book and actually died laughing. Even Ultimate Guitar was risky back in the day, it wasn’t nearly as good as it is now 😂 ah, growing pains. It was never accurate. Went to go learn some RHCP and because of my habit of correcting as I go, accidentally learned a bunch of Fleas harmonies to Frusciante 🤷♂️ I owe bad tabs a LOT.
I am still salty about the death of OLGA in the mid-00s. It was such a resource for tabs and other transcriptions. Once they folded, the tab space got a LOT messier.
I bought this tab book a long time ago, when it came out. I was a beginner and was convinced that the tabs were right and that I was an horrible guitarist. I just realised that I still have it, thanks to your video, and had a little fun playing the songs as they are "transcribed". What an amazing musical journey !
No wonder I suck, I learned from tab books like this! I always wondered why it sounded so off, and I thought it was just because I had poor technique. It kinda messed with my ear because I assumed they had to be correct!
Yeah at least these days there's tabs online that are far more accurate. They're not always totally accurate but we at least have the ability to compare between different tab sheets and watch the artist or someone else play/cover it on TH-cam
It's not that, it's that what was tabbed was wrong in the first place so the fact that they put a chord marking above it made it even more hilarious to me. ;)
I've been subscribed to your channel for around 18 months, Maiden are my favourite band and I think this is the first video of yours I've seen that is covering some of their material. It was great, hope to see more in the future!
I had this book, & between it & being self taught (i.e: having all the bad habits) I still catch myself bitching certain riffs some 35 years later. I have to concentrate to play the opening riff to Phantom properly. I f'n HATE concentrating!
Really glad to see videos highlighting this issue. As someone who wants to learn the songs I grew up with it's really frustrating to find the right information to play what you love. Most of the time I start picking around the neck till I find what sounds right to me. Other than this channel which already subscribe to are there any other channels with proper info for 70's - 90's music?
I learned “Animal Nitrate” by Suede from a magazine when I a teenager. 20 years later I came across a video of Bernard Butler (the original guitarist in Suede) showing how he played it. The main riff was totally different. Played off open chords instead of a single note riff at the 7-10th fret. There was also other mistakes right through the song. I was able to relearn it quickly but it was still galling to find out I’d been playing it wrong for so long.
Haha I still have this book ! I remember sitting with my guitar wondering how to play both harmonies of these songs at the same time (yes, they are written on the same tab, very confusing for a beginner...)
I don't know what's worse, the fact that the music publishing companies will sign off on a product that represents their property this badly, or that people will watch/listen to someone playing a song correctly and try to argue that they're wrong because "I hAvE tHe BoOk"
I generally learned to play guitar back when you walked to the mall and bought tab books. I ended up with a weird set of skills where I could do most of the complex things you would want to be able to master, but with some really weird patterns and habits that made scales confusing in my head. It is also the reason why I play mostly original music that sounded right by ear every day instead of playing those songs I learned from tab books.
Thanks for the trip down annoying memory lane. I remember getting this as a gift when I was a teen. After many attempts to learn several of the songs I gave up on learning anything from the book but I’m still playing guitar 30 years on.
@@LadyFairChildVideo Andy Aledort was the first guy to actually have decently accurate guitar tabs published. Some of his work (in the mid-80's) is hit and miss for sure but if he was invested into really getting it right? He's pretty much on point in terms of hand positions and harmonic/timing accuracy. Hiroshima mon Amour was a tour de force for the time in which it was done... 9+8+9+8+13/8...etc? Crazy how deep he went into the analysis of the rhythmic groupings. This stuff blew my mind at the time
I bought this book as a 14 year beginner back in 1991, costing me three weeks paper round money. I still have it, sitting in the shelf with its spine bleached almost white, and at the time I was a very happy boy. Transcriptions are hit and miss throughout. Some are close enough that you can play along to the songs, but others have such bizarre fingers and use of open strings (check out the intro to Phantom of the Opera) that they make your head hurt. The interviews are pretty good from what I remember. I think it's in there that they describe the sudden tempo change in Genghis Khan as "changing gear without using the clutch".
Great content and channel! I'm an "old" dude and had this book when I was younger and learning. One thing I think I can say more than anything is that this book more than anything taught me to trust my ears. i knew this was shit and the biggest part of that was the trills in the main theme. Honestly, books like this put me on the journey of figuring stuff out for myself as opposed to relying on garbage transcriptions.
2:59 You're not even playing what the tab book says to do. Notice the triplets instead of two 16th notes followed by an 8th note. You're so used to playing it correctly that you didn't even notice!
I bought this book as a kid, I scanned it for about ten seconds before returning it. The guys at the shop wouldn't refund me, so I opened the book randomly and shouted "tell me what the fuck this is?". This coming from a beginner at the time. I got the refund. Fuck that book.
To be fair, a lot of tabs on the internet are basically this level. Which is why it's kinda sad that people seem to be losing the ability to use their ears when learning a song. BTW love the HM2 as a page stopper, a nice touch ;)
This is exactly why I don't play any one song these days while playing alone home. I can't plynby the ear but I don't want to play them wrong from anyone's tab either. So I just jam what ever comes to mind and then get depressed because I didn't turn into Yngwie Malmsteen over the night. Again.
There are a few things you misunderstood about how to follow the notation/tab in this book. First, the parts where they leave out the tab numbers have so-called rhythm slashes that correspond with the chord name written above them, and the shape of those chords are the chords listed right under the track title (that you referred to as "chord chart") - whenever there's a rhythm slash in the notation, you're supposed to play that shape that the chord name above it is referring to (so the very first note isn't skipped, it's supposed to be an Em at the 7th fret) and the same thing goes for the Em after the D-G-D power chords (that Em chord and those open string versions of the power chords are very wrong, though). It's really badly written and the book sort of demands that you know how to read standard notation, which most guitarists that bought this most likely didn't/don't. So on that point, they actually have written out the legato indicators for the intro riff in the notation (although they didn't include the P.H. which is an error in consistency) but it's just not reflected in the tablature, just like with the slash chords. Another point is that you didn't actually play the written rhythm for the H.O. P.O. part - it's written like an 8th note triplet, but you played it as a reverse galopping rhythm with two 16th notes and an 8th note. Now, I'm not actually trying to defend this book at all, it's an absolute disaster with more wrongs than rights and it should NEVER have been allowed to be sold! Just those full chords and the Bb from the intro riff is more than enough to make anyone shake their head in disbelief...
I mostly came to the comments to make the same point about the rhythm slashes. But yeah, I had this book when I was a beginner in 1985 and even then I could tell a lot of it was wrong. I figured out correct (or at least closer) fingerings and stuff on my own, but not having the solos was unforgivable.
I had the "First Ten Years" book when I was about 15, and this tab was in it. I knew it was wrong right away because I was fortunate enough to have the Visions of the Beast DVD, which had all the music videos on it. Because a lot of their videos were essentially the band playing/miming onstage, I used to use bits of the book, and then try and watch what Adrian (I always wanted to be Adrian) was doing. But damn it, those open strings in the intro crack me up every time!
I cracked up when I saw the title/picture. I have the original printing of this thing from 1984. Where yours says Guitar Tab Edition, mine says Play It Like It Is with an album behind it. This book was given to me years and years ago by a friend and I'm so glad I never tried to use it. I can just imagine when they made these things, sitting in a room with a physical album and transcribing by ear. That's close enough!
I got this book for Christmas circa 1987. I wanted it so bad and my mom was so excited to give it to me. Boy is it ever awful?! However, I still have it in my studio to this day, primarily for sentimental reasons, but also for the pics as you mentioned. Great video!
Funny how everyone bags on this "Tab Book". I had it when I was a teenager, and listened to the song while figureing it out. It wasn't always correct, but put me in the right area. Back then, a lot of Tabs were NOT that accurate. So, you had to listen to the song and take what you could from the tab and the song. I guess it doesn't bother me, but neither does size 12 gauge strings.
Look at the bright side: with the ugly chords and the lack of solo, all you need are some pots and pans and Drop C# tuning to recreate The Trooper in the style of St. Anger!
Great vids ,My first pedal ever was that same Heavy Metal pedal, it has been on a shelf for years, probably last used during Ride The Lightning tab , I now know what I can finally use it for.
I saw in the previous comments that others had a similar experience but this book was actually one of the first TAB books I ever bought... At the end of the day, thought, it ended up being a positive experience in the sense that it taught me to be critical of what was written when it didn't sound right and helped me learn how to rely on my ears too.
I still have this book from when it was first published (circa 1984!). Remember that at this time most of the paper music we had was "vocals + piano" with largely open chord boxes, so it was an improvement on a lot of what you could buy. It was a start back then but we mostly had to work everything out for ourselves as it was well before we started getting decent tabs. I still remember all the open strings...
Oh yeah! I have that book too and I was super confused when I tried to learn them. Because the tabs sounded completely wrong I just discarded the book.
This book is what helped me learn how to learn by ear. It gave me just enough to give me an idea where I was supposed to be but not so much that I was convinced I was doing it the right way.
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Therapist: Disco Maiden isn’t real, he can’t hurt you.
Disco Maiden: 4:27
You take my life but I’ll take yours too…Ah! Freak Out!
You obviously don't know Bill McClintock's youtube channel. I think you'll more likely find some Soul Maiden (for example: th-cam.com/video/02LSFTdC5UE/w-d-xo.html), tbh, but don't tempt him like that.
@@Gregorious2270 lol! brilliant
It sounds like the funky guitar line in Another One Bites The Dust - Queen
Reminded me a little of Volbeat
this correcting tab books is such a great idea for a series. make it your thing, theres so much material out there,
agreed
yes. this i will watch everyone! maybe see if I have learned it wrong too maybe?
hops on UG..."It's free real estate!"
Agree!!!
@@freedustin it’s a good resource - but you have to be at least a decent guitarist to figure stuff out from the broken tabs.
I had this book. I'm convinced it was transcribed by a jazz piano player in his 60s who had once learned a Beatles song on an accoustic guitar.
It probably was. That was who worked at publishing houses doing transcriptions at that time.
I was just about to type something similar ;)
Transcribed by someone not familiar to the genre or group.
Probably Blackbird. Disco Blackbird.
I would expect better out of a jazz musician, but basically the rest I had imagined too. The wah part in prowler, lmao!
@@hmpz36911 They never said the transcriptionist was a good Jazz pianist.
As a beginner guitarist back in the day. That book convinced me I had a learning disability or just had no feel for music. Yeah good times.
Life has lots of this
Lol! I still have this book from 1985 or so and I also thought that I was deficient because I couldn't make the tab sound like the song and yet the official book HAD to be right.... right? Later on as my skills got better I just figured it out and did decide that the book was on crack, I'm glad the world has decided that too :)
I always thought i was uncoordinated because they tell you to play highly impractical things and i couldn't move my hand like that, or that I sucked at music because what I was playing did not sound right, even though i was doing what the book said.
Same thing here. It was my first tab book and I thought it was something wrong with me since my playing were nowhere close as it sounded on the album.
Yeah. Me too! :)
Imagine a beginner picking up this book
i was picking these books and i was failing. I blamed my self cause i couldn't make it sound right. We didn't had TH-cam then. Now all changed!
I don't have to, I bought this Piece of Crap. Young me sounded terrible for many reasons, and this was one of them.
That's what I did with the AJFA-book from the previous video. I had just bought my first guitar and me and a bunch of friends from school, all total guitar noobs, were the next aspiring guitar heroes, sitting around the book and trying to figure out, how to make the (wrong) stuff in the book actually sounds like Metallica.
I was also duped by this book. I bought it in the early 90s at a used book store and was so pumped. I used it exactly once...to "learn" the Trooper. I also bought a best of Rush book that was even worse than this one. Oddly, I still own it. But I think that cover is too awesome to throw away.
that was me in the late 80s. the pain is real.
Iron Made-In China
...and we have a winner!!! 🏆🏅🏆
The traper for copyright reasons
These books are absolutely DAMAGING! Back in the 90s I would think these were actually written by the band guitarists, or at least someone they were in face-to-face communication with. Sometimes I thought I was going crazy! Probably a conspiracy by anti-metal christians or something.
Stop! Think about what you are saying! There are some Christians that listen to Metal!
@@westernrider100 there might be some, but most will call you a satan worshipper and pester you to stop listening to the devil music that causes its listeners to do crimes and múrdér
@@westernrider100 There's also christians who are anti-metal. Nobody said all christians are anti-metal.
@@westernrider100 they never said Christians didn't listen to their or play metal music. However back in the 80s / 90s, many things were regarded as satanic by American Conservative Christians such as video games, Dungeons and Dragons, and of course metal music because a lot of it was about the devil.
If you're Christian and you listen to metal music, it simply means you're most likely not a Conservative individual, which is objectively a good thing.
I have at least 50 Christian friends who where metal and rock shirts and love that type of music
It sounds like kmac did a "guy plays the trooper without learning it"
Dad i want iron maiden!
Dad: we have iron maiden at home.
*iron maiden at home:*
Sounds like Thin Lizzy tribute band would cover Iron Maiden
Too accurate
Maiden were influenced by Thin Lizzy.
Editors tabbed what they remember after hearing the song once.
@@RickSanchez-dn6rd My guess is, Mozart didn't ever transcribe 'The Trooper'. Possibly didn't do any Maiden guitar sheet music.
"Man tabs out The Trooper without actually learning it"
@@RickSanchez-dn6rd Mozart was a genius not a normal guy lol. I would expect you of all people to understand the futility in having the same expectations from an average person that you would from a genius Rick :)
@@RickSanchez-dn6rd Mozart is not a great example of the average person, lol
Those Em chorus mutes are wild. I can only assume the tab book is The Trooper | Nile Rodgers Remix version
ROFl I'm afraid that's my personal style that creeps into my playalongs with everything from country to pop
😞
Hmmm...
That could work...
This is the tab equivalent of holding in a sneeze.
ded
Follow the book to the letter and you will never have youtube copyright strike.
They were quite clever at the time quite a smart precognition.
Just… why
Some Iron Maiden Vids?
You love metallica
Hey Andriy, you should create your own song with a solo somewhere in there, and then post it on a video for all of ur fans, including me!!
Ey it's Andriy
That was a troll move.....the HM2 as a paper weight? am I right?
I usually use binder clips.
More of a flex than a troll move
I saw that too, man I had both of these when I was 15! The tab book is beyond bad, Number of the Beast in this was pretty awful too
I have one I use as a paper weight too! Felt bad about using it on top of a pile of magazines, crazy to see someone else does it wtf
I was laughing when I saw the HM2 holding the book open. I always used to use my mid-1980s DOD flanger...
I’m just glad I can finally blame my horrible playing after all these years on shitty tab books 😂
It sounds a lot like they simplified it too much to make it "beginner level", but I have to admit, at the end, when the bass guitar was part of the mix, it wasn't particularly *bad*, it was just bland. In the verse you were really just missing the power chord riff of the rhythm guitar. But yeah, I can't really imagine what the actual chorus would sound like with that transcription and the band behind it.
Yeah, it feels to me like an "easy" version. I had a simplified Kill Em All tab book for beginners and it was similar, but from what I remember it was at least fairly accurate.
Wow. I distinctly remember buying this book when I was a kid (at least 25 years ago). And I also remember the disappointment when I tried to replay the songs as they were transcribed. And to be honest, until your video, I always had the idea that it was me who wasn't good enough.
You made me smile with nostalgia and relief at the same time :)
Excellent video series.
Keep up the good work.
I felt the same way buying some of these tab books, always thought it sounded off, now I know it was the dam tab..
I like how Mike using a Boss HM 2 for a paperweight
What's more sad is a novice guitar is gonna question his/her playing when they play it and it doesn't sound right.
I learned quickly that these things were bullshit, and it gave me confidence in myself, lol but yeah not everyone is going to have that kind of take on things.
Oh man, this was the first tab book I owned. It was truly awful.
Feel sorry for you
Damn it's Ernesto! I love your stuff dude.
Unimaginable that you acquired today's skill when you started out with this book :D
“Transcriber attempts to transcribe The Trooper without learning the song”
For those of you commenting about the paper weight...I mean the BOSS Heavy Metal pedal haha: I re-bought this for nostalgic reasons (being my first ever pedal and all). However when it arrived, I plugged it in and it didn't work. Like 5% of the sound was coming out. :( So for now it has become my page holder of choice. ;)
"I am afraid to turn the page to see the solo"
*A few moments later*
"Okay, never mind, no solo"
xD
Thanks for reliving that moment we literally just watched. What would we do without you?
@@Kommander_Rahnn You're welcome Capt. Sarcasm
@@Robi2009 Hey you made a comment and then someone replied and then you replied
xD
I have the "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son" TAB book and it's pretty hilarious as well.
Me too and the Somewhere in Time one too 🤣🤣
Nice Boss HM-2 paperweight you got there ;)
If you’re still going by books by for your tab, the only ones worth a fuck back in the day were by Cherry Lane Music and transcribed by Wolf Marshall who worked for and did 95% of all Guitar Magazine’s transcriptions back in the day.
Don't forget about Andy Aledort. He was the real deal as a transcriber for GFTPM back in the day. His version of The Trooper (Jan. 1985) was the one I learned and it's balls on accurate. He was also one of the first to deal with the "elephant in the room" (YJM) with his transcription of Hiroshima mon Amour (May 85). If I'm not mistaken, he also transcribed "Black Star" for Guitar Player (the year before) when they released the issue with the vinyl floppy. I'm not sure Wolf Marshall even worked for Cherry Hill in the mid 80's. AFAIK all of the really good (i.e. challenging) transcriptions in that magazine were Aledort's. Kid Charlemagne (Steely Dan) was an eye opener, done during this same period, when these magazines ruled. The books being published at the same time were trash in comparison.
Pretty sure Wolf did the Justice one...
@@hmpz36911 He didn't, he just did the introduction to the book part.
I have that book. ‘Screwed me up real bad.’ Yup.
Saw Maiden for the Somewhere in Time album tour around 1986 at the NJ Meadowlands. Great band, great show
I saw them in 2008 for their Somewhere Back in Time tour during Heavy MTL (at Montreal). They were still top shape and kicking ass despite being 22 years older! I bet the only difference was one more guitarist 😄
I am also forgot! It was the show everyone rioted and was turning over cars and burning them! What a crazy night!
www.nj.com/bergen/2017/03/a_heavy_metal_riot_at_the_meadowlands_remembered_30_years_later.html
I think I still have a newspaper clipping from after that show talking about the rioting from the Passaic county paper.
Oh wow, I had that book, I might still do. I got it with some other rock books back in a garage sale back in the late 80's. I got it because it was Iron Maiden, before I picked up a guitar. I think I might tried to play it, but I was just starting out and didn't understand the book, so I set aside. Last time I remember seeing it, the cover was not nearly as nice as yours. I'll have to hunt it down next time I visit my folks. If I have it, it's in their garage somewhere.
I used to buy books like this back in the 70s when I was learning guitar, yeah most of them were so incorrect, finally just learned songs by listening to the record, writing down the lyrics and playing along.
When I was young and trying to learn songs from transcription books, it often sounded awful and I thought it was just me. Much later, as I began to understand music better, I could see the problems in these books. Something I've wondered since gaining this better understanding is WHO do they get to make these awful transcriptions? Why are they so bad? And yes, I have that Iron Maiden book from way back.
They are bad for 1 of 2 reasons:
copyright, book is made by a 3rd party so it's just an interpretation.
or
time crunch, book is produced by publisher with permission from label so it has to release with the album...which is next week btw hurry up.
@@freedustin but one has to wonder though, if the bands themselves don't have any transcriptions of their songs?..
@@LRM12o8 they may be legally obligated to protect the official version...
I literally had a friend who had this exact Maiden tab book because his parents thought wifi was a fad and would just vanish. I learned Wasted Years and The Trooper here on YT, he learned from this book 😂
I accidentally shattered the guy when I told him it sounded awful for some reason (even though he was playing it fairly cleanly) but he insisted it was perfect. Looked at the book and actually died laughing. Even Ultimate Guitar was risky back in the day, it wasn’t nearly as good as it is now 😂 ah, growing pains. It was never accurate. Went to go learn some RHCP and because of my habit of correcting as I go, accidentally learned a bunch of Fleas harmonies to Frusciante 🤷♂️ I owe bad tabs a LOT.
I am still salty about the death of OLGA in the mid-00s. It was such a resource for tabs and other transcriptions. Once they folded, the tab space got a LOT messier.
I bought this tab book a long time ago, when it came out. I was a beginner and was convinced that the tabs were right and that I was an horrible guitarist. I just realised that I still have it, thanks to your video, and had a little fun playing the songs as they are "transcribed". What an amazing musical journey !
No wonder I suck, I learned from tab books like this! I always wondered why it sounded so off, and I thought it was just because I had poor technique. It kinda messed with my ear because I assumed they had to be correct!
Yeah at least these days there's tabs online that are far more accurate. They're not always totally accurate but we at least have the ability to compare between different tab sheets and watch the artist or someone else play/cover it on TH-cam
"Yea, we just gonna skip the solo for simplicity sake.... Also technically speaking; that 2 note minor interval is actually a Dm9 chord."
It's not that, it's that what was tabbed was wrong in the first place so the fact that they put a chord marking above it made it even more hilarious to me. ;)
Nah man the rust in peace book got some things atrociously wrong
I decide to wear my Iron Maiden Trooper shirt tonight for work and this video drops…
I've been subscribed to your channel for around 18 months, Maiden are my favourite band and I think this is the first video of yours I've seen that is covering some of their material. It was great, hope to see more in the future!
Next - Sunn O))) tab book plz
3:15, “who’s keeping track at this point”. Barley 3 minutes into the video and it’s already one of my favorites.
I had this book, & between it & being self taught (i.e: having all the bad habits) I still catch myself bitching certain riffs some 35 years later. I have to concentrate to play the opening riff to Phantom properly. I f'n HATE concentrating!
LOVE the shirt! Nice to see DL getting some love
Please do more of these.
Really glad to see videos highlighting this issue. As someone who wants to learn the songs I grew up with it's really frustrating to find the right information to play what you love. Most of the time I start picking around the neck till I find what sounds right to me. Other than this channel which already subscribe to are there any other channels with proper info for 70's - 90's music?
I haven't f'in laughed so hard since 20 years ago when I learned to play Ironman by ear and it sounded horrifying af! Thank you for this video
I need to listen to the actual version to cleanse my ears dear god
No way the TH-cam algorithm will bust anyone for this
I learned “Animal Nitrate” by Suede from a magazine when I a teenager. 20 years later I came across a video of Bernard Butler (the original guitarist in Suede) showing how he played it. The main riff was totally different. Played off open chords instead of a single note riff at the 7-10th fret. There was also other mistakes right through the song.
I was able to relearn it quickly but it was still galling to find out I’d been playing it wrong for so long.
Haha I still have this book ! I remember sitting with my guitar wondering how to play both harmonies of these songs at the same time (yes, they are written on the same tab, very confusing for a beginner...)
Yep. Had this book. So now in my twilight years I can take comfort in the fact that it just wasn't me.
I don't know what's worse, the fact that the music publishing companies will sign off on a product that represents their property this badly, or that people will watch/listen to someone playing a song correctly and try to argue that they're wrong because "I hAvE tHe BoOk"
Big Maiden fan (literally grew up listening to them) and now I can't unhear that "H.O.P.O H.O.P.O". You sir just scarred me for life! 🤣
this is fucking why i trust my EARS when learning a song...
I love that HM-2. I never thought you would be into Swedish Death.
Imagine the guy who wrote this book wrote the tab for “Caught Somewhere In Time”
This is all we had back in the day, be super glad you got youtube now
It’s a Cursed Tab Book that makes everyone who plays from it sound like a beginner, regardless of skill level.
I generally learned to play guitar back when you walked to the mall and bought tab books. I ended up with a weird set of skills where I could do most of the complex things you would want to be able to master, but with some really weird patterns and habits that made scales confusing in my head. It is also the reason why I play mostly original music that sounded right by ear every day instead of playing those songs I learned from tab books.
It almost sounds cool in its own right, definitely not accurate though
Thanks for the trip down annoying memory lane. I remember getting this as a gift when I was a teen. After many attempts to learn several of the songs I gave up on learning anything from the book but I’m still playing guitar 30 years on.
Wolf Marshall has a lot to answer for
I somehow doubt he transcribed this. hehe
Wolf Marshall and Andy Aledort pioneered accurate tabs
@@jean-francoisbergeron6100 the wolf marshall ones were hit and miss at best.
@@LadyFairChildVideo Andy Aledort was the first guy to actually have decently accurate guitar tabs published. Some of his work (in the mid-80's) is hit and miss for sure but if he was invested into really getting it right? He's pretty much on point in terms of hand positions and harmonic/timing accuracy. Hiroshima mon Amour was a tour de force for the time in which it was done...
9+8+9+8+13/8...etc? Crazy how deep he went into the analysis of the rhythmic groupings.
This stuff blew my mind at the time
Just straight up ending with those open strings hahaha I love it!
I bought this book as a 14 year beginner back in 1991, costing me three weeks paper round money. I still have it, sitting in the shelf with its spine bleached almost white, and at the time I was a very happy boy.
Transcriptions are hit and miss throughout. Some are close enough that you can play along to the songs, but others have such bizarre fingers and use of open strings (check out the intro to Phantom of the Opera) that they make your head hurt.
The interviews are pretty good from what I remember. I think it's in there that they describe the sudden tempo change in Genghis Khan as "changing gear without using the clutch".
Great content and channel! I'm an "old" dude and had this book when I was younger and learning. One thing I think I can say more than anything is that this book more than anything taught me to trust my ears. i knew this was shit and the biggest part of that was the trills in the main theme. Honestly, books like this put me on the journey of figuring stuff out for myself as opposed to relying on garbage transcriptions.
2:59 You're not even playing what the tab book says to do. Notice the triplets instead of two 16th notes followed by an 8th note. You're so used to playing it correctly that you didn't even notice!
do more of these plz. it's hilarity at its finest!
I had this book. Glad to know it wasn’t me.
Please keep posting this kind of videos.
They're funny😂
I bought this book as a kid, I scanned it for about ten seconds before returning it. The guys at the shop wouldn't refund me, so I opened the book randomly and shouted "tell me what the fuck this is?". This coming from a beginner at the time. I got the refund.
Fuck that book.
Things that didn't happen for $100, Alex
Hey Mike! Thank you so much for the Amazon gift card! I received it! Thank so much man! Nice! Up the Irons!
To be fair, a lot of tabs on the internet are basically this level. Which is why it's kinda sad that people seem to be losing the ability to use their ears when learning a song. BTW love the HM2 as a page stopper, a nice touch ;)
The short playthrough at the end with those full chords sounded like if Blue Oyster Cult covered The Trooper...lol
That's what I thought!
Imagine if you found out this was written by Dave Murray lol
Haha! :D
James Hetfield will purposely cross out correct parts and rewrite wrong ones in there, if you ask him to sign a tab book.
This is exactly why I don't play any one song these days while playing alone home. I can't plynby the ear but I don't want to play them wrong from anyone's tab either. So I just jam what ever comes to mind and then get depressed because I didn't turn into Yngwie Malmsteen over the night. Again.
There are a few things you misunderstood about how to follow the notation/tab in this book. First, the parts where they leave out the tab numbers have so-called rhythm slashes that correspond with the chord name written above them, and the shape of those chords are the chords listed right under the track title (that you referred to as "chord chart") - whenever there's a rhythm slash in the notation, you're supposed to play that shape that the chord name above it is referring to (so the very first note isn't skipped, it's supposed to be an Em at the 7th fret) and the same thing goes for the Em after the D-G-D power chords (that Em chord and those open string versions of the power chords are very wrong, though). It's really badly written and the book sort of demands that you know how to read standard notation, which most guitarists that bought this most likely didn't/don't. So on that point, they actually have written out the legato indicators for the intro riff in the notation (although they didn't include the P.H. which is an error in consistency) but it's just not reflected in the tablature, just like with the slash chords. Another point is that you didn't actually play the written rhythm for the H.O. P.O. part - it's written like an 8th note triplet, but you played it as a reverse galopping rhythm with two 16th notes and an 8th note. Now, I'm not actually trying to defend this book at all, it's an absolute disaster with more wrongs than rights and it should NEVER have been allowed to be sold! Just those full chords and the Bb from the intro riff is more than enough to make anyone shake their head in disbelief...
I mostly came to the comments to make the same point about the rhythm slashes. But yeah, I had this book when I was a beginner in 1985 and even then I could tell a lot of it was wrong. I figured out correct (or at least closer) fingerings and stuff on my own, but not having the solos was unforgivable.
This video has a meme potential over 9000. Love it! Btw, I guess it's the easy guitar edition where they don't put solos
HOPO HOPO
I had the "First Ten Years" book when I was about 15, and this tab was in it. I knew it was wrong right away because I was fortunate enough to have the Visions of the Beast DVD, which had all the music videos on it. Because a lot of their videos were essentially the band playing/miming onstage, I used to use bits of the book, and then try and watch what Adrian (I always wanted to be Adrian) was doing. But damn it, those open strings in the intro crack me up every time!
was the author lazy or tone-deaf...or both?
Old guy whose boss was cracking the whip to finish the book.
I cracked up when I saw the title/picture. I have the original printing of this thing from 1984. Where yours says Guitar Tab Edition, mine says Play It Like It Is with an album behind it. This book was given to me years and years ago by a friend and I'm so glad I never tried to use it.
I can just imagine when they made these things, sitting in a room with a physical album and transcribing by ear. That's close enough!
I got this book for Christmas circa 1987. I wanted it so bad and my mom was so excited to give it to me. Boy is it ever awful?! However, I still have it in my studio to this day, primarily for sentimental reasons, but also for the pics as you mentioned. Great video!
Funny how everyone bags on this "Tab Book". I had it when I was a teenager, and listened to the song while figureing it out. It wasn't always correct, but put me in the right area. Back then, a lot of Tabs were NOT that accurate. So, you had to listen to the song and take what you could from the tab and the song. I guess it doesn't bother me, but neither does size 12 gauge strings.
I was really looking forward to you playing the Disco Maiden chorus with the backing track!
Look at the bright side: with the ugly chords and the lack of solo, all you need are some pots and pans and Drop C# tuning to recreate The Trooper in the style of St. Anger!
Pots and pans! 😂😂
I caught the joke about using the boss heavy metal to hold down the paper. Very funny mike LOL
Great vids ,My first pedal ever was that same Heavy Metal pedal, it has been on a shelf for years, probably last used during Ride The Lightning tab , I now know what I can finally use it for.
I saw in the previous comments that others had a similar experience but this book was actually one of the first TAB books I ever bought...
At the end of the day, thought, it ended up being a positive experience in the sense that it taught me to be critical of what was written when it didn't sound right and helped me learn how to rely on my ears too.
I still have this book from when it was first published (circa 1984!).
Remember that at this time most of the paper music we had was "vocals + piano" with largely open chord boxes, so it was an improvement on a lot of what you could buy.
It was a start back then but we mostly had to work everything out for ourselves as it was well before we started getting decent tabs.
I still remember all the open strings...
I love his reaction to seeing the funky rhythm. “What the…?!” 😂
Oh yeah! I have that book too and I was super confused when I tried to learn them. Because the tabs sounded completely wrong I just discarded the book.
keep doing this dude...love it
Mike: 2:56
Me, a Clone Hero Charter: *Internal Crisis*
This is what we had to work with back in the day. Did Andy Aledort transcribe that? Nice series, keep going.
I had this book too; it taught me to transcribe songs on my own, and I'm forever grateful for it!
I Actually learned guitar with that book. I bought in in 1990 or 1991, no internet or tabs in these days. Still got it
This book is what helped me learn how to learn by ear. It gave me just enough to give me an idea where I was supposed to be but not so much that I was convinced I was doing it the right way.
1:59 I don’t have perfect pitch at all but I can recognise smoke on the water immediately
That explorer looks ace! Wait a minute disco!? Funkay! HM2 paperweight. Good use for one of those