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- In a twist on the usual format, a couple who has been married for six years seeks counseling from Tracy and their families: Should they continue to work on their crumbling marriage, or decide to part ways for good and finally sign the divorce papers?(Original air date: December 17, 2022)
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I'm so glad Tracy stepped in & corrected them about his 14 year old daughter.
She waited too long for me I was ready to jump in my tv 😂
@@dreamchasahh 😂😂
Absolutely!!! I kept saying how is a 14 year old responsible for the marriage.
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I wish Tiffany had apologized to Maya also.
At 14 this child has learned how to protect her peace. May she always.
Amen
🙌🏻🙌🏻 AND IN THAT ORDER!!!
I’m teaching mine too, especially due to daddy issues
Once again
Tracy is the real MVP of this episode
This one was a good one
Stop on therapy on going 100 spot on! My bro went thru this same thing with a baby dieing but no therapy and they both turned on each other blame! Therapy needs to be apart of death- divorce - any major life changing moment ( offer 4 sessions)!
Thank you for taking up for the daughter, Tracy. It’s not a child’s responsibility to fix the relationship. It’s the parent’s responsibility. Therapy is needed. Consistent therapy.
Berating that girl for not calling and blaming her for affecting their marriage was wrong. I’m glad she checked the parents. They seemed to understand.
At 14, SHE IS A CHILD! It is beyond unfair of both of them to put their relationship failings on a CHILD! If she doesn't call you, you're the PARENT DAD, it's your responsibility to chase and fight to be in your CHILD'S life.
As you can see everyone else are adults. So they’ve decided to go to the weakest link “a child “. They’re just plain old narcissist. It’s all about them. Shame on them.
How both of them crying and he hug the wife. Yet blame his daughter! Horrible and wife needs all the attention
My thoughts exactly. I was pissed hearing that.
This poor man looks like he’s barely hanging on 🥺😢 I pray his wife FINALLY allows him to grieve and stop trying to correct and belittle him.
I agree. How could she not know that he was depressed? He lost 2 important people in his life within weeks of each other. I could tell from the ride in the car that he was in anguish. I hate that people don’t understand that men have feelings as well and can take loss of loved ones just as hard as women. We as wives need to be there emotionally for our husbands. They deserve and need that.
She sees in him her grief. I hope she’s learned that berating will never fix depression
Exactly!!🎯
@@angeliqueanderson1484
Thank uuuuu so trueee
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The wife’s energy in the kitchen toward her stepdaughter was toxic. That child sat there and cried while her Aunt and Uncle did nothing. She’s not protected in that family and that’s sad.
She Lowkey don't like tht girl..she's controlling I wouldn't call them either... energy never lies
On a NATIONAL SHOW so imagine what's said and done in private
Yes and I’d want to stay home too.
Right! And I had no idea she was only 14 let alone 9 yesrs old when they lost the baby, why would he think a lil girl has the mentally to call an check on dad😔🤦🏾♀️ but it appears that they both had some realizations and willing to change 🤞🏾
It broke my heart when the Dad comforted his wife when she was crying but he didn’t take the same action when he saw his daughter crying moments earlier💔 The Dad lacks emotional maturity (& possibly the aunt and uncle if they didn’t comfort their niece either) in my opinion. Thank God for Tracey reminding the couple that his daughter is a child 🙏
The wife is so SELFISH! It’s all about her 🤦🏾♀️ I can’t believe she made his daughter feel responsible for his pain! They both need intensive therapy.
I think the wife does not understand that her husband is suffering from depression and grief. She believes he needs to snap out of it. But once she was told what he is dealing, it appeared she understood.
@@hevel4383I agree. People in these comments have immense empathy for him, but basically none for the wife.
She may be less knowledgeable about depression, but she also has the full emotional weight of the miscarriage, caregiving for two children under age 2, a service profession with clients to serve, a strained father-stepdaughter relationship, custody litigation regarding that child, and an emotionally unavailable spouse.
Both of these people deserve empathy and support.
@@LawFirmMentor Yes, I agree some does not have as much empathy for her as they did for him. They both are grieving, but it shows up differently. Despite, the day to day task they both are faced with, they both see that each need their own counseling to address their own issues and then they both can show up as the best version of themselves.
We don't know what she goes through....
Okay, I thought it was just me thinking the same thing.
Tracy is always so spot on. I love how she holds the couples accountable for their BS. The energy feels off on this one from the time they were in the car. The constant berating and correction would drive anyone insane.
This is a powerful episode. I wish all married couples saw this. Honestly, working with married couples like this, should be a whole other show!
I agree! I wish there were more shows that really breakdown problems and trauma married/engaged couples go and grow through.
Yeeeesss!
“And the Word is depression “ 💯
I lost it when she said that.
He is grieving late. He needs counselling for his ANXIETY &DEPRESSION, PTSD!
His Symptoms sound similar to panic and anxiety that manifests itself physically.
You nailed it 👍🏽
I agree. That and the fact that he's weak. He blames his child for his conscious decision to not be a parent.
@@RahYisrael99what show are you watching? He never blamed his daughter. It was his wife who blames the daughter for the problems in their marriage and he blames the wife for the daughter not wanting to come around.
Agree you can see he doesn’t feel well not sure if it’s cause he don’t want to loose her and it manifest in physical pain or he’s having an anxiety attack 😢
And ptsd
I love the immediate correction about blaming a child, keep kicking the man’s back in when he is having an anxiety attack.
I love the fact that the family is rooting for them. This was an awesome show and an example of what black families need to deal with their trauma.
Wait a damn minute. Did she just place blame on his daughter for their marital issues? She has lost her ever loving mind.
Few mins in.....i feel like he doesn't feel 'safe' enough to breathe/exhale with her.
Neither do, but it because they experienced trauma together.
💯 The trauma has caused him severe depression.
The wife saying he is having mental breakdown, is counterproductive and she gets to blame him for everything. She seems to relate to him as though he’s her child.
It did appear to be a mother child relationship but her mom did the same so the wife only mimic was was shown to her! Cute couple!
Two adults blaming a child for their marriage falling apart is insane. He failed that baby as a father, not one time did he take accountability for not being there for her but praised the wife's kids smh. They need counseling, period!
Thts part !
That junk pissed me OFF! And that’s exactly why she don’t come around. Why the hell would she care about people who don’t give a damn about her.
Like why was he just meeting his child when she was 9 and then immediately placed blame on her for being uncomfortable or not reaching out.
It seems like the daughter doesn’t even really know him and again, he put that blame on her
I'm disgusted how they're treating his 14 YEAR OLD daughter!
I'm so mad!
Glad someone said it he hugged his wife after seeing his daughter cry never comforted her
Unfortunately HE ALLOWS IT
Girl!!!!!
she has no compassion or kindness from her side.. ANYONE can look at this man and SEE his soul in massive pain. BE LOVING & Patience PLEASE.
Exactly
Don’t put the responsibility Of the parent child relationship on the CHILD!!
My dad always reminds me he is the parent and it his responsibility to have great relationship between he and I. This hurt my feelings for her especially the bond he has with the wife’s daughters
Tracy be SPOT ON…, she told the wife “Hey STOP THAT! That wife beats the husband DOWN sheesh 😮 she’s so controlling and won’t let him talk…she’d drive any man to stay away from her and retreat to the garage 😮
Man when he started to cry, I balled- 😢
Man an can't stop crying 😭
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She is so in tune with her profession. I ❤ how she calls out bad behavior like Iyanla but in a more passive manner. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
In a more progressive manner! Love that!
Traci is an assertive communicator for sure.
It’s called empathic confrontation, it’s a unique skill of helping the client to see their problematic behavior or beliefs without putting them on the defensive and encouraging the client’s resistance. Seems passive but it a skill.
15 minutes in and I don’t like how they put all that pressure on the 14 year old. I hope they clean it up… Let me keep watching.
Its too much pressure for a 14 year old. Thats not a childs responsibility
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Right!! I’m p!ssed!! 😡
I don't like it
Exactly what i came to say
The wife is the biggest issue in the relationship..
She has no empathy at all
No compassion for him at all .
He's a broken man
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This is true his brokenness is manifesting physically 😢
AGREED !!!
@@FeliciaStandsSo true! 😢
I thought the same thing. For most of the episode, she was not my favorite person. At. All. But as the show progressed, they showed insight on her thoughts and emotions. Even though she was 100% wrong on multiple things, I now feel for her.
First off why no one stood up for the daughter. Seems like he’s been absent and her momma wasn’t having the popping in and out !
When he said losing his mother"poked the stability he was standing on", touched my soul. I just lost my father and this 100% how i feel..
That’s sad and scary , sorry for your loss .
Losing your mother changes you!
It definitely does. And when that happens you need supportive people around you that will be there for you when you’re grieving. Not people that tell you to man up, you’re not acting the same, you still crying etc. I don’t get why people don’t understand this. Also, the circumstances in which a loved one dies makes a difference. My Grandmother died in 2022. She was 88 years old. I think of and miss her everyday, but I was at peace because she was 88, she deserved her rest. My mom died in 2023 from stage four uterine cancer. I watched her die a little every day. The last few days of her life were very traumatic. So I’m not grieving the same. It’s very very hard to go on each day. My anxiety and depression are through the roof. I have to make a decision to lean on God everyday just to keep on keeping on.
It does
I feel bad for him. He definitely needs therapy. But he never raised his daughter and blamed the daughter for not reaching out to him. She's a child, and he was a stranger to her. So, he has always had issues.
@@TheeMichellesMindThe same thing happened with my mom and it’s been ten years and still seems like fresh pain. 😢
Facts! I have never been the same since I lost mine 4 years ago 💯💯💯
Gastritis has you this way too, too much stress causes stomach pains, burping nausea and tiredness.😢
Sure does. I experienced this in the past.
So does drugs when it leaves your body...
Sheeeeshhhhh that trauma therapist was good!
She was dropping gems for real!
The wife’s lack of compassion plays a huge role in this dynamic. She’s blaming everyone else. But is not understanding how everyone else feels.
Tiffany owed that baby an apology period
Right cuz wtf ???
At the table, He hugged his wife but not his daughter 🥴
This ‼️
It’s based on who has more value to him. Unfortunately, for some fathers, children have no value.
And he wonders why she doesn’t call…..
o ya u see that too i feel it😢
Terrible!
I'm lost...in the beginning his stomach hurts she said he always tryna bring her down...😮 but let me keep watching
Man I’m lost too like damn his stomach can’t hurt? 😭😭😭😭
OMG i came to the comments for this. I was so lost. I’m like did they take something out? But let me finish watching 😅😂
Right
With anxiety and depression it can be physically symptoms along with it. Like headaches, stomach pains, the jitters, etc.
I think he's on something.
The hiccups startled me. I thought he was going to have a panic attack.
She told Husband to get up and pull his pants all the way up. Sounds like me talking to my teen son.
She's the breadwinner. She said if she makes one mistake at work they are right back in the ghetto. She's carrying the entire marriage. She acts like his mom because she is.
I give them no pass on how they treat his daughter though. He abandoned her for nine years then expects her to manage his emotions. A child.
Summarized perfectly.
His daughter crying and him hugging his WIFE instead of HIS DAUGHTER is DISGRACEFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like Sir she NEEDS YOU. Shes a 14 yr old CHILD!!!!! A BABY!!!!!!
You could see it in her face as well
VERY DISGUSTING‼️‼️‼️
Are they blaming a 14-year-old for not reaching out? A dad saying you didn't call me on my birthday. What... It is your job to reach out...
Facts
I couldn’t be married to her. Its not safe to be emotional. Its not safe to be vulnerable and she’s extremely controlling. Run bro! And keep loving your kids
Does he love his kids though?
She just like her mom smh sad
@@RahYisrael99not Maya. What he gives her isn’t love. He’s literally showing his child what not to accept
I don't care for placing the blame of a strained father daughter relationship on the child. She's 14! Stay in a place of love and understanding for her...she's is and was a child throughout the whole process. But I'm glad they are in a place of learning and growing. ❤
I commend this entire family for their strength and vulnerability in not giving up... my prayers are with you all
Josh is grieving.. It’s so sad and he need therapy. The wife is out of line with the daughter, no compassion. They are putting too much on a child
The wife should have apologized to his daughter & reassured her that the demise of their marriage is not her fault& make her feel loved & aslo welcomed.
This lady is super controlling and can’t even see it. She’s telling him what to do every step of the way
He seems to be having an anxiety attack right before our eyes. The signs are there. Poor thing.
I saw the same thing! I really hope he gets individual therapy, grief support and even medication.
He has anxiety…
I hope this family sees these comments one day
I'm sorry?? How tf you find out your husband is struggling with depression and you make that isht about YOU?
This is the comment I was looking for!!!!!! The doctor should have sent her away to take her moment and let Josh continue to explore his feelings. The wife made that moment about herself as he was starting to express himself.
I thought I was tripping. The minute he finally starts to open up and let go, now you act like u are having anxiety and a revelation. She is selfish and want the attention all on her.
I don’t like how the bride kept on mentioning that the daughter not contacting her father is “messing up the marriage”. I understand the show is about the husband and wife, but I don’t think that’s helping her not feel neglected
I completely agree! Then they couldn’t understand why she didn’t feel loved or wanting. They kept blaming the child.
@@GlamoftheGlam exactly! And that is huge, especially for someone so young
I definitely agree
Agreed! They’re putting too much responsibility on the child for their marriage issues! It’s not her responsibility to heal their marriage. If she’s not calling her dad, the dad needs to reflect on why the dynamic has ended up that way. HE is the parent, HE sets the tone for their relationship as father and daughter!
I’m so glad Tracey checked them on that
This wife is all about her. Every time the therapist makes an observation about him, she instantly adds her 2 cents. Geez, he mourning let him get started on some healing. 🙄
Not okay for a wife /stepmom to apply pressure to a child that way ! Huge problem
Controlling is how she comes off to me at times. This one was deep, i loved it as always and Love the switch in the format. Congratulations yall
We need more episodes of saving couples on the brink of divorce.
Not a fan of the wife at all. First with the guy basically dying on the couch and she’s acting like he’s a creep for not doing well. Then with blaming his child for their relationship issues. Pathetic behavior. That child will never feel protected by her.
Sigh (after making it 36 minutes) I just want to thank Tracy for being a straight forward therapist and bringing the other therapist in. I will hold back my comments on the couple.
This episode was a rollercoaster of emotions. I truly hope they work on themselves individually first and foremost . I commend them for putting their lives out there in this way because we don’t talk about grief depression and anxiety as Black people enough even with all the progress we ve made with talking about mental health over the years . I like how the therapist never missed an opportunity to correct and call out things out for what they are .
Yes especially our black men deal with sooo much and they almost never get the support they need. I just wanted to jump in the episode and give him a big bear hug.
Oh my! This guy is not feeling well. 😢😢😢. The wife keeps saying:,sit up😣 😡
How is it the daughter’s responsibility for the father to have a relationship with him? And then to say it affects your marriage? What?!
Right?! Like how???! Expecting a 9 year old to reach out and comfort you is insane.
These adults are blaming others fir their own shortcomings. They are blaming the kids. Stop it!
He needs to hold hug his daughter
Excuse me, are y'all blaming the 14 year old?
Right!!! Whom at the time was only 9 yrs old!!!
As a mother to a teenage boy, I'm learning so much from Tracy
Love, love, love this episode. By far the best one. Keeping marriages together is a beautiful blessing 🙌🏿
I think overall they are a good couple. Grief, trauma and depression can wear and tear you down. Mentally, emotionally and physically I hope that are able to work through it and get back to their happy place. They both look so sad, because of the trauma.
The wife body language is off.. I honestly think she has already moved on and now she's making excuses. I feel sorry for him
How someone getting sick putting her down..im.confused
So the wife tried to get custody of child then blames her for the wedge and grudges themselves as adults harbor. Girllllll
This ‼️
Right. How do you try and steal a woman's child instead of the dad just BEING A DAD? Crazy.
Tht child would catch hell in house wt them
They are not all there! Expecting a child to make contact with them
A 9 year old he wants her to said oh let me call my dad n comfort him coz my lil brother passed away really man how stupid can u be she doesn't even know abt death by that age he's crazy n selfish
@@tgber8126 right and they were willing to keep blaming her
Yeah that pissed me off. At their big ages they should know that but for some people with age doesn't come wisdom. That made me not like them lol
Shes truly not a good person 🤦🏽♀️ everything is about HER HER HER...he need to grow a pair and put her into the place of his wife and not his mother smh
Real true love can be staring us in our face and still be blind….. He loves his family he just need some healing. Anxiety is no joke it can cripple a person
He seems like he has anxiety and he’s been through a lot
They are ignoring the 14 yr feelings and blaming her.The stepmother words on top of the Father’s is crazy. I think Maya’s mom needs to make sure her Daughter is emotionally safe from them. They are too broken .
Seems like the daughter is doing that on her own already.
Don’t put that on that baby!! Shame on her!! He’s the daddy. And ain’t nobody stick up for her! Lawd all them adults didn’t comfort the baby! I’m disgusted
Thank you Tracy!!
That’s what tore me up! Not a soul consoled the daughter
Agreed!!
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Anxiety is very debilitating… it’s hard to push through especially with the wrong ppl around you.
Not fair to blame daughter it is father’s responsibility period. They both weak for that
An it's a shame that a lot of parents do they kids like this
She didn't have the capacity to understand grief...lawd I hope she grows with him..this is life ❤ she doesn't have the tools, nor did the family...true for many of us
This episode was hard to watch. Wow. So many layers to peel back. This was sad. Josh looks defeated and his wife is annoying as heck.
He’s mentally beat down but loves her
Damn, has he sought out medical treatment?
Not having the tools to effectively communicate is the root of it all. The fall out is dire.
First 5 minutes, and I am worried about him. He looks medicated or unwell
They are a mess 😂. I’m only at the beginning but wtfff
He def needs to step up as a grown man and take the responsibility of being the father. He needs to call her. She’s a kid!
I wanted to see Tiffany apologize to the daughter as well, it needed to be done.
The elevator don’t go all the way to the top with these people. Blaming a kid for your marital issues is wild.
He needs to see a gastroenterologist for an EGD. Pretty sure he has gastric ulcers from the stress and depression. Very common😢
One of the best but saddest episodes!! I love this show and wish this couple the absolute best!! Keep fighting for each other ❤
I easily see why the 14 year old isn't around I'm glad they had a 1 on 1 and he apologized it's clear he hasn't grieved and he holds it all in because he doesn't feel comfortable enough to let it out because she doesn't let him and it effects him physically the black community has to be more open to seeking help it's okay to go to therapy
If I could 🙌these therapists, oh my goodness the power of therapy at work here! Love it! Shine that light the truth makes you free. Now this couple has some decisions to make.
People need to understand people grieve differently especially men! His baby, his mom!! That’s alot!! When me and my ex had a baby and she passed he didn’t stay he ran away and left I understand he couldn’t handle it
How is he today and you
An I'm sorry for your loss
21 minutes in and I was good until the mother and father blamed their daughter on their relationship issues. I have always been the one to say that children don't call parents. Be a parent!
12 mins in, and i can see one of the problems. She talks to him like a child. That would make ANYONE anxious.
he said he dont feel good. If he pass out everybody will be screaming and hollering
The wife probably worried all her life and took care of everyone, she’s a fixer and she’s human. She deserves some grace and at least she was checked by Tracy and I believe she will do better by herself( 1st) and her hubby and his daughter. God bless them 🙏🏾🖤
Tracy is my mentor. I truly appreciate her approach!
I don’t like how the wife’s family looks at the husband and his kids 😢
They are scapegoating that 14 yr old child
The groom seems to be more in tune with his wife's kids than he is with his own biological child, they may need counseling to build a bond and get to the bottom of their trauma.
Powerful...step out if people's way so they can be accountable for themselves.