Actually Hoosier makes racing lawn mower tires. They would work great. Also they make a slick for that mower. I use to race lawn mowers in the USLMRA . I’m going to build another one. And race in another big series Calle the National Lawn Mower Racing Association. It’s as big as USLMRA. The series runs nation wide like nascar.
It's like watching Minis vs Mustangs. The mower certainly has it in the straights, but the karts are just so much better in the corners. Makes for a fun race.
is a motorcycle that absolutely deserves to be built. Love the content where the guys keep building cars and motorbikes. That thing definitely has the potential to be an absolute monster.
The mower really needs slicks and possibly a longer gear ratio. It'd have a higher top speed but it it would also give it a more friendly power band. That thing definitely has the potential to be an absolute monster.
That’s absolutely freakin’ awesome. Huge props to VIR and Skip Barber, an experience I’ve longed for for nearly 30 years. And of course, congrats to the C&C team! You guys make me and my heart smile, something rare in these times. I would like to take a moment to thank you all for the wonderful, family friendly, and entertaining content. PLEASE, keep up the fantastic work. Thank you.
You boys are bloody LEGENDS. That mower drifting around the track is one of the most wonderful things I have ever witnessed. If y'all ever make it to upstate NY for whatever reason get at me.
John has his head in the right place. Get some weight on the rear, get the steering worked out, and THEN put better gearing in it for more top end. One thing I would consider is cutting some slots in the front grill to let air in to cool the motor better, and maybe some road rrace style tires. I think that mower could run with the renal cars easy with those mods. Awesome content you guys, keep up the grerat work
If you add too much weight and improve grip, it may tighten it up too much I'd think. I'd upgrade the grip before making weight changes and then use the results from that, to dictate how much weight to move/add. Just my thoughts.
@@goosenotmaverick1156 Tires first, weight next, sounds like a good plan. You want a better compound to bite into the road before you add a weight penalty by using balast.
@@goosenotmaverick1156 As a "part-time mechanic" on a Formula Ford crew, we would always (try to) change one thing at a time. Otherwise, it leaves you uncertain what made the changes in handling/performance/whatever. The other important point was to ALWAYS keep records of what you've done with each change. We didn't have a large budget. We were just some friends racing on weekends in SCCA and having a ball. That "racing go-kart" looks like an awful lot of fun!! Knowing how fast my old Honda 450 twin could go, that thing has the potential to scare the crap out of you until you get it sorted out. Good Luck... post the videos... I just subscribed. 👍
Great session, guys! I'd love to drive that track on a fast kart. Even at my 77 yrs of age. My son and I raced karts years ago when he was a teen and I raced enduro motorcycles back in the 60's and 70's. You have an excellent channel and do some amazing builds. Al Hook, Paducah Ky.
John didn't take out any shrubbery and Ike didn't flip anything (close at the end) and nothing got broken, I would say the curse of the old days is behind you and your driving skills have evolved a lot.
Y’all I love the way this lawnmower kart looks (aggressive and fun) would love to see more but I like watching everything y’all make and test. This channel is one of the few I look forward to seeing a notification from.
It be really cool to see a 1000 or 1300 cc gsxr engine in the king midget car and see it fully restored with a really cool custom interior. Also have a top made for it and install an ac/heater so it be driven in any weather or on road trips. May need to change the sprocket size on the lawn mower to get more out of the 6 speed gearing.
I think maybe a slightly bigger steering wheel (if you have the room between your knees) would be enough to save your forearms and take the twitch out of turning. Certainly an easier fix than changing geometry. Great video guys!
To cool to be able to see the mower and midget out on track, looked like lots of fun. Have you guys ever figured out the YardDarts issue? Hoping to see that make a comeback someday with more power then it had new! Keep it up guys your an inspiration 👍
My good friend, and co-pilot to one of the Mini Mayhems, is at VIR this weekend racing. I had to tell him about this video as soon as I watched it. Good times and great videos with John, Ike, and Charles.
The 450 is a torque monster for what it is; they pull hard from 4k up to 8k rpm. Drop to a smaller rear sprocket to make 5th and maybe even 4th useful; there's a reason cars are trending toward more gears rather than fewer. Leaving it in 6th all the time is letting you drop out of the powerband when you slow down. The GS450 was known for having an abnormal amount of powertrain lash; this was intentional. They shift VERY well without the clutch. Use this to your advantage. Shifts will be faster and sharper; use the lever to load the shifter against the next gear and just roll off/on the throttle. It'll drop into the next gear and away you go. This works in both directions; upshifting and downshifting. The stock carbs do NOT like anything aside from the stock airbox and factory twin pipe exhaust. Spend some more time dialing them in or swap to a different set of Mikunis. For the heavy steering, you might consider switching from a wheel to a wider yoke. That will increase precision and decrease effort... And make it easy to build a rudimentary paddle shifter a la the Ducarti, which will allow you to better take advantage of the clutchless shifts. It's got potential fellas, it just needs some dialing in.
Carsandcameras been watching yall for 8 years keep up the hard work looks to be starting to pay off proud of yall. Love the builds. And the creativity. Forever my favorite TH-cam channel.
Been a massive fan since the OG grand prix days and i must say im lovin this high quality content guys. Wish i could join you all at a mini mayhem, but im on the other side of the world :)
Fun times at VIR. Worked for a Grand Am cup team many years ago. I remember VIR because of the multiple tire changes we did there. Rains, slicks, rains, slicks...... good times....
Because of the great video cam footage... it was literally a blast 🤙 watching you guys have a blast on that track, and the drifting with the modified lawn tractor was impressive - Nicely done!
Epic episode! You can see that these guys are having an awesome day at work, and it´s amazing to see some really skillfull driving beeing done here. This bring back my innerchild, and i almost immidiatly started to check prices on craig´s list for a lawnmower and an older 600-750 bike. Gotta be building something like this during the winter...
Another killer episode of C&C .. the race mower is a beast, I think you have it when you say the steering needs work, IMHO if you fixed the steering, put some sticky meats on it, and possibly changed to paddle shift you'd leave the rest in the dust.
That last lap was so funny, the mower got in front but he just couldn’t hold it in that corner lol, was funny seeing you try to hang onto that lead sideways lol🤙🏼
You guys had it pretty right. The gear ratio really kills the top speed, but the wheels do too. They're just another "gear" but one that interacts with the road instead. Motorcycle wheels are way larger and the outside travels a lot farther at the same RPM as the inside. You could maybe add larger wheels, but you'd have to lengthen or widen the back somehow, add clearance for your elbows. I think it's an awesome drift machine though and maybe that's it's calling. Keep up the awesome work guys!
That's such an epic day boys!! John your idea for one video a week to make better content is all good. You get one of these 👍 Shoutout from Livermore, CA
On the Mower-kart- remember that the bike that the engine came from had a 25" tire with, say, a 10" sprocket. If you have a 16" tire now, a good way to pick a sprocket is to start around 6-7 inches. That would give you about the same ratio the bike had. Maybe ratio up a little bit since it's heavier and won't need to go as fast. At least then you'll be able to use more than just 6th gear.
Definitely needs better tires! Curious what the weight distribution is. Battery moved to the rear sounds like a good idea. Would like to see a paddle shifter setup. So you can use the transmission. I look forward to your videos. You fellers are a hoot to watch, whatever you're doing. Thanks for the content!
That lawnmower car is bad ass just like I thought it would be! With a few tweaks in the right set up, I think it could be way faster than their carts get that steering issue taken care of some weight in the rear, I think it could be a real monster. Awesome video though guys great work!👍🏼🤩🫡❤️
Parade laps of major tracks are bucket list items we don't know we have until we are out there!!! Barber Small Bore 2023!!! CoTA September 9th and 10th 2023!!! Be there!
That mower is great! Fix that steering and more rear tire and you will have a winner. Maybe some gear changes would help also. I loved the video and the build! Keep them coming and I'll keep on watching!
Just a quick observation guys, but at the end of your last, and longest run, I would say that at the very least, your Suzuki powered lawnmower has over cooked your tires, and, if you are able to, I would suggest that you replace your tires ! ( a full set ) no cutting corners on this one guys ! The next heat cycle your tires will only be harder ! ( less grip ) You will be amazed at what a new set of tires will do for you ! Nice run, you will only be faster with more track time ! You will start to know when your shift points are due, and you are going to get better at learning your corner apexes ! That little kart has the potential to be an absolutely wicked kick-@$$ kart ! 😎
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@CarandCameras u should take the Ducarti to vir
@@quintonwilliams6511 maybe not. we want them to LIVE to make more episodes haha
Slap a turbo on the bitch an set it to kill hahaha
that clutch isn't that healthy on that gs450 even with the long bar and travel it stuttered to enter gear
Definitely needed slicks
With some racing slicks that mower would be a force to be reckoned with on that go-kart track.
My first thought , needs slicks for pavement and groved tires for dirt .
yeah would love to see it with slicks for sure.
Yeah, slicks and a little more gear would give quicker lap times.
Actually Hoosier makes racing lawn mower tires. They would work great. Also they make a slick for that mower. I use to race lawn mowers in the USLMRA . I’m going to build another one. And race in another big series Calle the National Lawn Mower Racing Association. It’s as big as USLMRA. The series runs nation wide like nascar.
John is SENDING IT!
The GS450 mower is my favorite build so far. Has the looks, the speed, and the jank factor just perfect!
It's like watching Minis vs Mustangs. The mower certainly has it in the straights, but the karts are just so much better in the corners. Makes for a fun race.
That lawn mower kart really turned out great! Glad to see you racing it. 👍👍
it might be my top build from these guys. it came out SO cool, and it goes like stink!
As a Virginia state inspector, I always like seeing our old stickers every once in a while.
This thing sings!!
🎶🎵🎶🎵music to my ears 😁
Like a choir of angles
Love watching y’all since day one
Dang no face sanding....still an epic vid though!
is a motorcycle that absolutely deserves to be built. Love the content where the guys keep building cars and motorbikes. That thing definitely has the potential to be an absolute monster.
The most BAD ASS MOWER ON TH-cam!!!!! John was on xgames mode DAMN!!!
🎉 thank you Patrick for letting us video happen....🎉 good video guys 🎉..... JJ.. Jonjon....😊😊😊
The mower really needs slicks and possibly a longer gear ratio. It'd have a higher top speed but it it would also give it a more friendly power band. That thing definitely has the potential to be an absolute monster.
Gears for sure, you can hear how close they are. Stretching it way out would help so much this thing could be insane
@@jase7252 right. Better tires, longer gears, better weight distribution, and lighter steering and that thing would be a track weapon.
1 to2 gear ratio and little more backpressre,perfect
That’s absolutely freakin’ awesome. Huge props to VIR and Skip Barber, an experience I’ve longed for for nearly 30 years. And of course, congrats to the C&C team! You guys make me and my heart smile, something rare in these times. I would like to take a moment to thank you all for the wonderful, family friendly, and entertaining content. PLEASE, keep up the fantastic work. Thank you.
You boys are bloody LEGENDS. That mower drifting around the track is one of the most wonderful things I have ever witnessed. If y'all ever make it to upstate NY for whatever reason get at me.
You mean they didn't build it to be a drift mower on purpose? 😂
Lawnmower kart is wicked BUT John was LEGENDARY on that kart!
It's amazing how far this channel has come.
You guys are killing it!
John has his head in the right place. Get some weight on the rear, get the steering worked out, and THEN put better gearing in it for more top end. One thing I would consider is cutting some slots in the front grill to let air in to cool the motor better, and maybe some road rrace style tires. I think that mower could run with the renal cars easy with those mods. Awesome content you guys, keep up the grerat work
If you add too much weight and improve grip, it may tighten it up too much I'd think. I'd upgrade the grip before making weight changes and then use the results from that, to dictate how much weight to move/add. Just my thoughts.
@@goosenotmaverick1156 Tires first, weight next, sounds like a good plan. You want a better compound to bite into the road before you add a weight penalty by using balast.
@@goosenotmaverick1156 As a "part-time mechanic" on a Formula Ford crew, we would always (try to) change one thing at a time. Otherwise, it leaves you uncertain what made the changes in handling/performance/whatever. The other important point was to ALWAYS keep records of what you've done with each change. We didn't have a large budget. We were just some friends racing on weekends in SCCA and having a ball. That "racing go-kart" looks like an awful lot of fun!! Knowing how fast my old Honda 450 twin could go, that thing has the potential to scare the crap out of you until you get it sorted out. Good Luck... post the videos... I just subscribed. 👍
A truly epic day at VIR !! Well done, guys !!
Great session, guys! I'd love to drive that track on a fast kart. Even at my 77 yrs of age. My son and I raced karts years ago when he was a teen and I raced enduro motorcycles back in the 60's and 70's. You have an excellent channel and do some amazing builds.
Al Hook, Paducah Ky.
John didn't take out any shrubbery and Ike didn't flip anything (close at the end) and nothing got broken, I would say the curse of the old days is behind you and your driving skills have evolved a lot.
Y’all I love the way this lawnmower kart looks (aggressive and fun) would love to see more but I like watching everything y’all make and test. This channel is one of the few I look forward to seeing a notification from.
That GS450 is badass one of my top 5 of you guy's builds
Looks like you guys really had a great time at the track. Really enjoyed this episode. All the best guys.
VIR is a beautiful track and so much more. Really cool to see you guys run your build on the course.
Hahaha the tractor was all over the track at the end. Ike was really pushing it.
That was some of the best lawn mower wheel ever, I bet y'all can now a lawn real fast, please put a deck on it lol
It be really cool to see a 1000 or 1300 cc gsxr engine in the king midget car and see it fully restored with a really cool custom interior. Also have a top made for it and install an ac/heater so it be driven in any weather or on road trips. May need to change the sprocket size on the lawn mower to get more out of the 6 speed gearing.
Absolutely loved the race at the end of the episode, that mower is the bomb🎉
I think maybe a slightly bigger steering wheel (if you have the room between your knees) would be enough to save your forearms and take the twitch out of turning. Certainly an easier fix than changing geometry. Great video guys!
You guys inspired me to build my own racing lawnmower and it is going smoothly so far
This is one of the sickest builds yet..keep it up!!
I love this channel ! You guys always kill it and keep us entertained .
Thank you GoPowerSports for supporting this!
You guys really out did yourselves with that mower, it's in the top 5 my favorite builds.
To cool to be able to see the mower and midget out on track, looked like lots of fun. Have you guys ever figured out the YardDarts issue? Hoping to see that make a comeback someday with more power then it had new! Keep it up guys your an inspiration 👍
That mower kart has a lot of potential. Can't wait to see you guys get it dialed in!
Ike throwing a slider was epic....You guys are nuts, but thats why I watch. :)
That was magical!!! 🏎------------
My good friend, and co-pilot to one of the Mini Mayhems, is at VIR this weekend racing. I had to tell him about this video as soon as I watched it. Good times and great videos with
John, Ike, and Charles.
once again it looks like you guys are having stupid amounts of fun
The 450 is a torque monster for what it is; they pull hard from 4k up to 8k rpm. Drop to a smaller rear sprocket to make 5th and maybe even 4th useful; there's a reason cars are trending toward more gears rather than fewer. Leaving it in 6th all the time is letting you drop out of the powerband when you slow down.
The GS450 was known for having an abnormal amount of powertrain lash; this was intentional. They shift VERY well without the clutch. Use this to your advantage. Shifts will be faster and sharper; use the lever to load the shifter against the next gear and just roll off/on the throttle. It'll drop into the next gear and away you go. This works in both directions; upshifting and downshifting.
The stock carbs do NOT like anything aside from the stock airbox and factory twin pipe exhaust. Spend some more time dialing them in or swap to a different set of Mikunis.
For the heavy steering, you might consider switching from a wheel to a wider yoke. That will increase precision and decrease effort... And make it easy to build a rudimentary paddle shifter a la the Ducarti, which will allow you to better take advantage of the clutchless shifts.
It's got potential fellas, it just needs some dialing in.
I like to think its not about how fast you go, but how much it makes you smile! Smiles per hour!
Carsandcameras been watching yall for 8 years keep up the hard work looks to be starting to pay off proud of yall. Love the builds. And the creativity. Forever my favorite TH-cam channel.
@carsandcameras
Been a massive fan since the OG grand prix days and i must say im lovin this high quality content guys. Wish i could join you all at a mini mayhem, but im on the other side of the world :)
Those carts are a hell of a work out, I did a 5 lap race and was literally cashed, with a few beers and old age lol.
Charles is that cool friend we all need in our life.
Fun times at VIR. Worked for a Grand Am cup team many years ago. I remember VIR because of the multiple tire changes we did there. Rains, slicks, rains, slicks...... good times....
Because of the great video cam footage... it was literally a blast 🤙 watching you guys have a blast on that track, and the drifting with the modified lawn tractor was impressive - Nicely done!
Epic episode! You can see that these guys are having an awesome day at work, and it´s amazing to see some really skillfull driving beeing done here. This bring back my innerchild, and i almost immidiatly started to check prices on craig´s list for a lawnmower and an older 600-750 bike. Gotta be building something like this during the winter...
Another killer episode of C&C .. the race mower is a beast, I think you have it when you say the steering needs work, IMHO if you fixed the steering, put some sticky meats on it, and possibly changed to paddle shift you'd leave the rest in the dust.
yo like this: cc giveaways with ld gocarts would be fire!
Super freaking cool yins guys. Keep up the great job
Man... It's always a good day when Cars and cameras uploads a video.
Keep carving your own path. :)
You guys are having to much fun. I am 65 and I want to be right in there with you. Be safe always.
That looked like soooo much fun!!
Love when the whole crew is happy.
Damn he's sending it
That last lap was so funny, the mower got in front but he just couldn’t hold it in that corner lol, was funny seeing you try to hang onto that lead sideways lol🤙🏼
That mower is bad ass. Me being from north Carolina it doesn't surprise me to see this. Lol.
It needs some grippy tires and a shorter throw shifting linkage setup.
The gear changes are key 🤌
I got the race rush just watching 😂that was awesome
That was some drivin' at the end Ike
Lol. Thanks
You guys had it pretty right. The gear ratio really kills the top speed, but the wheels do too. They're just another "gear" but one that interacts with the road instead. Motorcycle wheels are way larger and the outside travels a lot farther at the same RPM as the inside. You could maybe add larger wheels, but you'd have to lengthen or widen the back somehow, add clearance for your elbows. I think it's an awesome drift machine though and maybe that's it's calling. Keep up the awesome work guys!
That was so awesome!! That had to be the best day ever for y'all.
That's such an epic day boys!! John your idea for one video a week to make better content is all good. You get one of these 👍 Shoutout from Livermore, CA
Couldn't agree more, they've been killing it!
Epic!!! Please more of the mower,that thing rocks,i love it!!!
dudes, this build is just beautifuly made! i love the look of it
On the Mower-kart- remember that the bike that the engine came from had a 25" tire with, say, a 10" sprocket. If you have a 16" tire now, a good way to pick a sprocket is to start around 6-7 inches. That would give you about the same ratio the bike had. Maybe ratio up a little bit since it's heavier and won't need to go as fast. At least then you'll be able to use more than just 6th gear.
Congratulations. You guys deserve this.
What a killer race day. Cool they let ya run your own carts too. Sounds like the mower could use a seat with more side support.
You could see the strain in everyone’s arms. Very enjoyable video.
Hyde Park, NY's own Pat Egan. Keep up the content.
love the mower .. wish we could do this in the uk ...
Definitely needs better tires! Curious what the weight distribution is. Battery moved to the rear sounds like a good idea. Would like to see a paddle shifter setup. So you can use the transmission. I look forward to your videos. You fellers are a hoot to watch, whatever you're doing. Thanks for the content!
That lawnmower car is bad ass just like I thought it would be! With a few tweaks in the right set up, I think it could be way faster than their carts get that steering issue taken care of some weight in the rear, I think it could be a real monster. Awesome video though guys great work!👍🏼🤩🫡❤️
i wish i could have that kind of fun at work, great stuff guys thanks.
Excellent video guys.....outstanding day !!.... thanks for sharing this with all of us
Parade laps of major tracks are bucket list items we don't know we have until we are out there!!!
Barber Small Bore 2023!!!
CoTA September 9th and 10th 2023!!! Be there!
Well done gentlemen.
You were taking it easy on those full sized cars in the King Midget otherwise they wouldn't have stood a chance.
That lawnmower probably my most favorite project for guys wonderful job
i think the Honduki and the Ducarti need to hit that track
Great video 👍 📸
Always love the outtakes, a nice touch. 👌
We need more King Midget video's. Did you upgrade the breaks and steering? If so can you show how.
That mower is great! Fix that steering and more rear tire and you will have a winner. Maybe some gear changes would help also. I loved the video and the build! Keep them coming and I'll keep on watching!
thw fly bye by ike to the long drift was nice at the end...
man ike was whipping that thing. hes such a talented driver
Ike looking like a badass rolling the mower up to the starting line
Nice video love it 🥳 you guys need to do it again with some slick tires on the gs450 and see how much faster it will go🔥
5:54 most importantly, don’t flip it!
John is a dedicated dude . I wish I could stay on a diet like he can.
what size pipe do you have for the exhaust on the 670 king midget it sounds so good
Yeah it does!!!
The mower kart is epic! You guys are awesome to watch
Man that looked like fun! Y’all are great. Thanks for sharing!
chainsaw motor on a cart.. i use to have a yellow saw motor powering one wheel..the motor was a McCulloch..with 2 it screamed!
Great video, that mower kart is SICK! Sorry to hear about bonneville being closed.
That looked like a lot of fun! Last lap laughs the whole lap!
Thank you for the video guys hoping the comment helps out...JJ.. Jonjon...
Just a quick observation guys,
but at the end of your last, and longest run,
I would say that at the very least, your Suzuki powered lawnmower has over cooked your tires,
and, if you are able to,
I would suggest that you replace your tires !
( a full set )
no cutting corners on this one guys !
The next heat cycle your tires will only be harder !
( less grip )
You will be amazed at what a new set of tires will do for you !
Nice run, you will only be faster with more track time !
You will start to know when your shift points are due, and you are going to get better at learning your corner apexes !
That little kart has the potential to be an absolutely wicked kick-@$$ kart ! 😎
Thanks guys.
Central California watching
Put a bigger steering wheel on the mower, it will slow down the jerkiness and give you a little relief on the arms. We use a15” on our dirt mowers