Hogue Avenger: Precision Accuracy Via Delayed Blowback
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The Avenger is a flapper-delayed blowback, fixed barrel conversion upper assembly for the Model 1911 pistol. It was designed by Austrian Peter Spielberger, and manufactured by Hogue in the US and PowerSpeed in Austria. It is a product that came close to vaporware status, announced at SHOT Show in 2003 but not actually available until around 2011 - and by then at nearly double the initial advertised price.
The Avenger is a very well-made system capable of fantastic accuracy - but it was a commercial flop. It was too expensive, and didn't offer sufficient practical benefit over a simply well-tuned 1911. It went out of production almost as soon as it was made available, and is quite scarce today.
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Count on an Austrian gunmaker to either create a simple stroke of genius or a meticulous clockwork machine with nothing inbetween.
I completely forget that's a 1911 based gun until 11:00 because all that mechanical puzzle of disassembly
They say the same about Russians. What is funny, some say that Austrians are Slavs of Germanic people.
And the russians.
@@leobuana7430It makes a C96 disassembly look like a PPK.
Well you could say that about the Germans, no the Swiss or uhhh any folk in the northern hemisphere.......
With the number of required special tools and parts that have to be removed, I have to wonder how many automotive engineers they had working on it.
Engineers will walk right by ten vaginas just to screw a technician.
My thought exactly. And practices like that lead Right2Repair campaign resulting in EU adopting GVO/MB BER regulation preventing this kind of shenaningans in cars sold in EU.
Or Apple designers.
None. We'd have stuck a key component in an absolutely untenable postion.
@@brucewelty7684 As a former dealer technician that is about 6 years removed from the industry, I can laugh at your comment. I used to have a different response....lol
You pulled back the slide and I was like "Oh, it's like a Laugo Alien." Then you pulled it apart and I was like "Oh, it's a man-made horror beyond my comprehension."
That is a *LOT* of tiny fiddly fragile parts in a 1911 upper.
more like Hogue Cthulhu
Had the exact same thought. No wonder this didn't catch on. Some people find the standard 1911 hard to disassemble and maintain. this really looks like a nightmare. Curious to see the performance though as 1911s are already very accurate pistols.
I found myself giggling over what would happen if this _somehow_ went into military trials.
@@AsheramK What really gets me is that for as many disassembly steps as he went before he dared not go further... It *still* wasn't in a state where you could sight down the bore for a "proper cleaning".
It's one of those guns that makes me feel a lot better about my own off-the-wall gun designs that I'm never confident enough to prototype out.
I also wonder at the longevity of that friction/spring "locking" mechanism, considering that there isn't a locking-wedge like in an H&K smg or rifle that positively pushes out the flap into its locking recess. My first guess on how the Hogue Avenger worked was that the flap positively locked on a sharp edge and the flap, along with the bolt, was pushed open by a gas piston, fed from a gas port near the forward end of the barrel, but I was wrong.
You know it's complex when Ian doesn't want to disassemble it further.
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty neat system until he started disassembling it, and then it quickly devolved into a horror show.
@@DK-gy7ll That is a very apt description. I thought the same, but when he said he was afraid to take it further, no thanks.
I'm with you two on this. Thought the same things.
That was what I thought too. If Ian is hesitant, I want nothing to do with it.
@patricks.6812 that is a good rule of thumb, if he's afraid to take it apart, I want no part of it either
“You see, if we make it so complicated to take apart, they won’t want to clean it, so they won’t disassemble it, and it’ll stay clean and zeroed forever!”
This thing is really cool though
My two favourite gun youtubers together at last? Thank John Moses Browning!
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Zach Hazzard? Never would have guessed you were a gun nerd haha
@2:50 is where I got scared; when Ian has to say it like that you KNOW it will be........interesting
Accuracy increase over a standard 1911: 75%
Accuracy increase over a custom fitted and built 1911: 20%
Complexity increase over every other 1911 ever created: 8715%
Better to start with a better gun.
@@Oblithian1911 is a fantastic pistol platform.
As a 1911 hand builder myself it’s not hard to make a 1911 accurate just takes patience. I will say however Most 1911s nowadays are perfectly fine out of the box due to cnc machining being really good now. It’s rare to have a lot of barrel slop in most brands lately. It pains me to say it but entry level Springfields tend to be rattle traps lately.
Potentially good but complex and expensive. This would have made an excellent SPEC OPS weapon for the Elbonian military.
"Where are the disassembly tools again?"
I was thinking it's the kind of design a particularity arrogant megacorp would come up with for their own security personnel. Without the corps's own, highly proprietary, and probably at least partly automated maintenance service, the gun becomes a liability. So ungrateful (read: disaffected) employees who desert the corp, or any edgerunners who might snag an example during an op, will not benefit from the gun for very long before it inevitably needs servicing which they can't provide.
@LD-xt1vo oh no I dropped a spring into the mud.
The Elbonian armaments minister can simply point to the GIGN’s use of the Manurhin MR73 and say “we need a sniper pistol, too, but for every servicemen”.
At the very least, most recruits won’t be able to pass basic training (assuming that field stripping your weapons is a requirement), lowering morale and troop replenishment.
As tales of this monstrosity circulate, enlistment numbers will plummet.
Only if the FM mandates a full strip every 250 rounds
6" Powerspeed Avenger owner here - believe me...taking this thing completely apart is nothing compared to putting it together again. I did it once amd I swear to god: never again 😅
Especially if you know that if you send a spring flying or lose any single part of the Avenger, you won't get spare parts ever again 😫
Ouch. It really is a complete "clockwork" inside by the looks of it. A few years ago Ian showed a Swizz boutique competition pistol, that was pretty much just a miniaturised H&K G3/MP5/etc mechanism, that was fairly "1911-ish". I wonder if it would have been a bigger commercial success to just license that (if the patent hasn't long since expired) as a 1911 upgrade kit.
I found it. It's not Swizz but German and is called the Korth PRS Automatic Pistol... and it actually IS a 1911 lower.
Do you have any comments on what it's like to shoot the thing? I've never heard of it until today, and I'm damn curious!
@@eljefeamericano4308Based on this video, you won't notice a difference.
I own a Korth PRS and I can genuinely feel your pain.
It's not often that Ian shows a gun that i haven't seen before, but when he does I'm genuinely thrilled.
The Rudd Automatic Pistol uses a similar operarting system. That design also went nowhere but Ian did review a carbine form the same inventor some years ago.
Halfway through the disassembly and I'm suddenly very certain of why this didn't get popular.
Same.
It's the same reason most mechanics, speaking from experience, hate working on European cars...they always overcomplicate shit.
After seeing the Luago Alien's slide design, I wondered why more companies haven't tried a super low reciprocating mass slide design like that. Aside from machining costs, of course. Interesting to see a similar concept being dropped on a 1911.
It's definitely a cost issue. The original CZ-75 uses the P210 system of external slide rails running _inside_ the frame, which is way more expensive to machine than a typical Browning-style system. And they're both steel frame pistols, so more difficult again to manufacture, although they're incredibly strong and long-lasting.
The P210 system almost precludes the use of aluminium or polymer frames unless you have some sort of steel insert (maybe like the later CZs?) 🤷🏻♂️ but you've already lost the advantage the P210 has of a very rigid frame, allowing excellent accuracy.
And this is from 20 years ago
the mass of the slide and barrel also have effect on blowback and recoil operated gun. so maybe thats one reason you dont want to go any lighter. I mean, that's the very purpose of Browning style pistol slide anyway.
@@swayingGrass that's why the alien has a gas delaying system, it appears to have less recoil than a similar size/weight browning gun.
@@ryan0U Yeah, I meant you can't just make the slide lighter without other adjustment. And maybe there's a practical limit to how light you can make a Browning slide before you have to change operating mechanism.
When Gun Jesus does an Owl imitation sound when describing disassembly, you know you are in for a treat.
Mr. Owl, how many tools does it take to get to the center of a Hogue Avenger?
@@Big-Monkey-Man well lets see... one, two! three... (retaining pin goes flying off into the corner of the room, disappearing forever)
an overpriced and complex solution for a problem that isn't severe enough to fix? I'm sold!
Just shows how many people are willing to spend any amount of money in the hope that it will miraculously make them a better marksman.
@@Kevin-mx1viWell, one can simply *buy* gear; *skill* takes *work* . 😂
A problem for a niche of customers. Bullseye shooting used to be more popular.
Just cause some can't make good use doesn't mean it can't give the edge in high level competition.
@@geodkyt Indeed. Some people think that gear is a shortcut to skill, unfortunately.
Browning solved this issue over 120 years ago.
As a gunsmithing student, I waited years for this one.
2k on gunbroker 5 weeks ago
@@justinbellio2285 I'm French, so it's pretty much unobtaium here :/
When one comes in for repair, be prepared to make parts.
As a french person as well, how and when did you get into gunsmithing? If these details are okay for you to share. It really interests me as well
Really cool idea, too bad it isn't very "field strippable". This idea has a lot of potential with any caliber of pistol, especially heavy calibers or hot loads.
If someone could create a version of this that was much easier to strip and reassemble, you've basically gained a bigger market share in pistol accuracy.
Reminds me of an Italian gunsmith that does custom work converting 1911s into gas delayed blowback, though its design is more similar to the Steyr GB's system
Who?
@@onpsxmember According to another comment, Chiappa made something that matched that description, as did a company called Network Custom Guns.
Who??
The guts/disassembly reminded me of all the guns on this channel that are forgotten for a reason.
Cool bit of engineering that maybe looks like *too* much engineering? Intrigued to see how it compares to a souped up 1911. Would also be interested to see how it fares against that roller-delayed Korth (recognise this is unlikely to happen). Thanks for yet more great content, Ian.
No such thing as too much engineering. I bet I could fit at least a dozen more small springs and precisely aligned cams in there 😂
WoW..is this a Rubik's 1911 or what?? I thought my hi point jhp was a pain to take apart. Taking this thing apart is not a stroke of genius, it could cause a genius to have a stroke. Any buyer should get the schematics and parts list….the 12 volume set is on sale now.
So its like the Laugo Alien, but 20 yrs ago. I wish this had been more successful.
Yea
Not gas delayed, barrel not as low but also no heat issues and might not care about cast or coated bullets. Maybe just announced too early.
@@onpsxmember It still would have been very expensive and difficult to disassemble, though.
Sucks that Star went under when they did. They had what i think was called the "AccuLock" barrel system and it had a very tight fit to the slide with no bushing. I have both the Star Firestar M43 in 9mm and the Star Firestar M45 in .45acp. They never malfunction, heavy as a tank but reliable and low recoil due to the weight. I carried one in AZ for a long time.
I had an M43 and regret letting it go.
Unless I missed it, does it have anything to prevent an out of battery discharge? With a spring loaded "locking" lugI figured some sort of mechanism would have to be there to prevent the hammer from falling or the firing pin moving forward when the lug isn't in position.
AVENGERS, ASSEMBLE! 😅
So have you ever had a spring 'explosion'? Do you take precautions to work in a room without places small parts can hide? Just looking round my room - nightmare!
Good morning early gang!
Seeing how ridiculous disassembly was reminded me of the Korth 1911 Ian did a video on several years ago. Roller-delayed blowback so still a fixed barrel but it took apart easier than a 1911.
I know Mr. Peter Spielberg personaly and he is very clever, friendly and iteresting man with tons of amuzing stories from his life. And I must say I take it as a privilige to had oportunity to know him and work with him.
I remember seeing this in the noughties and thinking it was a really cool idea. I seem to recall a different name for it, though. Maybe there was an earlier version or a competitor around the same time, too?
I also now feel old. Thanks, Ian 😢
Edit: Wolf Ultramatic for the win! 😂
There was the Korth PRS Which Ian has previously done a video on which was a very similar concept.
Imagine how old I feel having more or less fired an M-16 (they used a recoil simulator with a laser in the barrel) at the Worlds Fair (NYC) unveiling in 64 only to hear they have become C&R guns almost a decade ago. ☹
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@@kenibnanak5554 I doubt it used a laser, they were only invented in 1960, and laser diodes weren't invented until the '70s.
@@jic1 I was a little kid firing it. What mechanisms the Army put in it is unknown to me. When you pulled the trigger a light appeared where it was pointed. A light chain kept one from pointing it in a wrong direction. A long cord to the pistol grip was probably an electric cord. If you hit the bullseye 5 or 10 yards away, not only would you see the red light on it, but a bell would ring too. Also when you pulled the trigger the rifle recoiled. With hindsight it certainly acted like a laser in the barrel and a recoil simulator in it somewhere. I have never seen any discussion of the weapons (and mods to) the US Army brought to the NY Worlds Fair in the 60s.
One of these sold on gunbarger recently for 2000 dollars for just the slide with no lower assembly
the removable feed ramp piece blew my mind
There's not much in the way of inertial amplification happening with the delay lever, as such the mechanism is likely very sensitive to tolerance stackup and changes in friction. It is basically relying entirely on the difference between the two normal force components on the locking lever.
Agree. Seems fussy.
What an intricate firearm, it must have been a nightmare trying to produce them. Thanks as always Ian, happy 2024🎉🎊🥳🎆.
It's the age old story of adding a whole lot of cost and complexity for very little performance gain. Turns out, there's not a big market for that.
So the reason there is no ejector on the 1911 frame is because there is one on the side of the slide assembly mounted on the left wall directly opposite the ejection port (which should eliminate some 1911 jams). It looks like taking it apart for cleaning after every firing session could become tiring after a dozen times or so. I am also wondering, so many parts, what is the MTBF for parts when shooting? Also why didn't they vent the front of the barrel or at least thread it for a muzzle brake or weight?
I'm glad that they made sure the branding was ambidextrous. Really helps out the southpaws.
The assembly looks like a 'cartoonish' interpretation of an M1911. Like something you'd see in a Simpsons or American Dad episode.
Morning everyone
Seeing this being stripped reminds me of the time I undertook work on a Winchester 1911 Shotgun as a novice gunsmithing student. They too are nightmarish and require special tools, like a spanner wrench for the magazine tube cap, and a handle of bourbon for when you lose your religion trying to get it back together.
@Forgotten Weapons:
don't worry Ian, the "special tools" are just simple tools like a punch and an allen wrench with a fancy grip on it.
I envy you for the fiber front sight ... my Powerspeed Avenger just has the black one 😢
Btw: do you have an Owners Manual? If not, I can hand you a copy if we meet again at IWA this year 😉
Just bought this over a month ago from a seller on GunBroker. I paid about $2,200 shipped. Pretty much all new, unfired. None of my 1911s I have in my Arsenal works with this kit unless I milled off 5 thousands of an inch on each side of the slide rail in order for the kit to slide into place. I'm still contemplating on what to do. Should I get a bare Frame only and let the gunsmith handle the rest? Now I know why the previous owner wanted money recouped instead. 🤷♂️😆
Looks like ike this little pet project of mine will cost me dearly, LOL
The Colt MkIV Series 70 with the split barrel bushing was reasonably effective, much simpler, (only the barrel and bushing were different), and at the same price as a standard 1911.
reminds me of my Marvel 22lr conversion... shoots 5/8 inch group at 50 yard from a ransom rest... way better than I can... lol
This feels wildly over engineered, for what they were trying to do. I mean I understand wanting to use the 1911 as the base for something like this but it just feels like it would’ve been easier to just make your own firearm with how much went into this.
Adding complexity and cost and extended delivery times is a Brilliant Business Model for Bankruptcy!
you know that super simple, reliable, steam-engine of a pistol the 1911? lets make it expensive and complicated
Holy Austrian Overengineering Batman. I'm not sure I've *ever* seen a pistol with a harder field strip.
I finally meet a 1911 platform I'd actually want to own, and I didn't learn of it until 20 years after it no longer exists.
Feeling the same way LOL
I own one. 😁
@@AndrewAS87 After seeing Ian's test of the gun on the range, I am NOT envious.
@@juliancate7089 I'm not sure what his issue was, while I haven't shot mine extensively, it's always worked.
@@AndrewAS87 Ian did a video testing the gun right after he did this video. I recommend watching it. Frankly, if your piece works without failures to feed, then perhaps you should send it to Ian for a second go.
This channel has so much polish with camera and editing, pretty wild really. How often can TH-camrs not even pull focus on a basic thing?😂 Thanks!
I own two examples [and one mostly complete parts kit + pile of miscellaneous bits and peices] of the Wolf Ultramatic sporting pistol which was somewhat of a predecessor for this. It used a very similar concept with a fixed barrel inside a fixed "slide" and with a reciprocating bolt. The faux slide also had provisions for mounting a rail for optics, but several models also had receivers with the option to use side mounting optics. The main difference was that it used a roller locked [not delayed] bolt with an annular gas piston that wraps around the barrel and a rod connected to it that activates the locking rollers. It also happened to be Austrian, hideously complex, extremely fiddly, and overpriced just like the Hogue Avenger. When the company that made them went bankrupt, their remaining inventory of unsold guns, parts kits, and frames were bought out and liquidated for cheap. Many of the post-bankruptcy guns that were assembled by the buyers were sold as "non-firing collectibles", probably because they had little faith in their handiwork and couldn't be bothered doing warranty duty. I have one early SV [Short Version] model [in 9x21, oddly] and one late LV [Long Version with longer barrel and compensator] model in .38 super. They're very strange and interesting guns, could be worth doing an episode on if you can get your hands on some.
Good god this is even more complicated than the St. Etienne machine gun.
Just found out that this is a thing a few days ago and i think its super neat.
Very convenient of you to upload a video about it now 😆
Thanks as always, you're a blessing!
"Spielberger" is what happens when a dad - who also happens to be a cinephile - names his dish at the barbecue.
Babe, wake up. A new Forgotten Weapons video just dropped
The delay mechanism reminds me of the Reising.
I think the concept has legs but would need to be simplified.
Disassembly this gun it's like soldering... Cool gun thou!
Looks like a challenge/opportunity for Laugo to make a 45 ACP counterpart to their Alien pistol. Maybe call it the Colonial Marine.
Shouldn't that be in 10mm?
@@jic1 Good point, but did they ever say the pistol was in 10mm caseless? I Thought that was just the pulse rifle G11's that we will never get to have.
Thanks for the video Ian.
Very complex. Very Chuuuurman.....
Slab sided pistols appeal to me for some reason.
Peaceful Skies.
Almost gives Alien vibes from just a exterior glance.
I wish someone made something similar for a more modern gun and in a smaller size...a fixed barrel 9mm pistol would make a GREAT suppressor host.
I love all these unique takes of existing firearms. Some google brought some things to my attention that perhaps can be found, although due to its rarity might as well be Unicorns. I'm talking about the Network Custom Guns: Ultimate Gas Barrel Kit for 1911s and the Chiappa Delayed blowback 1911. Both of which were Gas Delaying systems, and both of which seem to have flopped. It would be some interesting videos. The Chiappa works in a similar manner to the Steyr GB.
“This is going to be a bit..ch allenging.” I see what you did there Gun Jesus.
Also Ian, is there any left hand eject 1911 in production besides cabot guns which are 4k minimum?
I mean, it's literally just a mirrored slide, really.
@@anzaca1It’s really about marketability. The number of left-handed people that change how they use a right hand gun is so great leaving a left hand market very questionable. Left hand guns are a hard sell.
They all end up being expensive since so few are made and you do need a left hand ejector and extractor as well. Thumb safety, Slide stop, Mag release and frame are also changed to be a complete left hand gun. It’s really not as easy as it seems.
Man I went from "that's really cool!" To "that's a absolute pain in the ass!" As soon as he went to disassembling it
Oh, yeah...
Walking into a major gun manufacturer and saying, "make me a new Luger in .45 Auto" would be cheaper and easier.
...and put the backsight on the barrel, as the LP08 did.
My dad hase a Peters Stahl 1911, multi caliber in 9mm para, .45 acp, and.... .22lr 😆
We tested the 9mm and 45 in a steady rest at 25 meter at our shooting club (in Germany) and it had a deviation of around 30-40mm.
His Ruger GP100 .357 match Revolver was the same!
Most other hand guns we tested like a 08 Luger, a murican colt 1911 and some other randome junk where around 50-60mm in deviation.
I think in a hand gun, you can´t expect or need more accuracy then that!!
My Walter GSP got down to 20mm, but i guess a hand gun can´t be much more mechanically accurat then a GSP, and in a steady rest with that little recoil, all ther is left is balistics of the round.
I can head shoot a human at 50 meters 8 out 10 shoots with all of those guns, thats more than good enough. 😉
Hm, it didn't ever occur to me someone would commercially sell 1911 *uppers*. But I suppose it doesn't count as a full firearm then, so maybe it makes more sense from a legal standpoint? e.g. in France AR15s uppers are regulated differently and doesn't count as a full firearm for the 15-guns cat B quota (only the lower count for 1). I wonder if the Avenger would also only count as a B5 "firearm component".
As Spock might say... 'Fascinating'.
Not sure Mr. Browning would approve though...
Seems like something difficult to manufacture - almost a boutique pistol. Likely very accurate? Had a colt series80 that was more accurate than I was. Consistent w/factory ball (FMJ) that I could hit the ram @5 out of 7. Fun times even if couldn't knock the ram over & often missed the chicken - 1 or 2 out of 14 shots
The beautiful mutated child of the complicated clockwork insides of a Mauser C96 and the robust simplicity of the 1911
I remember these from the buzz and gossip 20 years ago. Everyone who I talked to back then would rather have 2 Kimber's or 2 Colt Gold Cups. Everyone thought that it was a neat design. But Nobody wanted to pay the price for it.
Competitive shooters are SO ridiculous that eventually they will just have builds that hook to computers that all the shooter has to do is click a mouse and the gun will do the rest.
So long as the rules allow that...
Makes me think of Maxin 9s, Alien, Hudson along with the Koriphilla, Korth, and that SUPER COOL Norton DP-75 you did videos of that I'd give my Eye teeth for all at the same time
Ian, love your videos.
Could you possibly do a video on the TKB prototypes? They are interesting Soviet bullpup designs that were made shortly after WW2 thru the 60’s.
Very cool idea, but it reminds me of the AN-94 Abakan for the AK. Just too many parts trying to improve on a minor "issue" of what was an extremely reliable gun because of the few moving parts it had to begin with.
Oy, what a schlepp to strip and clean! A bit of inspiration from Vasily Degtyaryov in the locking flap? And the non-reciprocating sight mounting looks rather Alien like.
I wonder how much the Laugo Alien was inspired by this, or if it just happened to be convergent evolution. Critically, the Alien has the advantage of being a ground up design, so it doesn't have to make compromises to work with existing components.
I thought this was cool, then I watched the disassembly, and then it's like, oh no. It's a bad sign when you need special tools to take a gun apart.
Given all the faff. I'd love to see how a "normal" version of this gun compares. I'm gonna search yt for such a thing now. But i can't be the only none American who thinks "I wish I understood all the 'obvious' stuff"
It reminds me slightly of a CZ Kadet, if the function of a CZ Kadet was to change a CZ 75 into The Lahti L-35 We Have at Home. :)
Curved MSH Superiority
Reminds me of the alien
In the book "Verschlusssysteme von Feuerwaffen" by Peter Dannecker, he illustrates the pistols operation and the lever is only in there to push on a separate piece of mass, accelerating it backwards. Like the leverage ratio in a FAMAS, the contact angles inside are chosen deliberately to move the small mass back faster than the breachface thus increasing its acceleration and allowing it to have the same inertia at a smaller mass than a single bolt with a bigger mass.
This explanation in the book makes me doubtful, that the spring force and angled contact surface alone is the primary delaying mechanism of this system.
This reminds me of the Benelli B76 Pistol delayed locking system. Not a common or well know pistol. Kind of a shame neither were popular in the commercial market.
...And that's why kids, you shouldn't mix great CAD/CAM skills and a glass of whiskey.
Ever shoot a Hipoint 45? 100% blowback ,$150 and surprisingly accurate.
Very cool piece, thanks for sharing.
Those two tiny springs keeping the locking wedge up preventing the gun from blowing apart and blowing the shooter face off 😮😮😮
The market has finally advanced beyond the mainstream of gun design and made the Browning tilting barrel obsolete!
And they did that just to make a better 1911
This is exactly what I'd expect the result to be if a NASA engineer designed a 1911 upper.
I cant help but say it, for the issues with the barrel tilt of the M1911, General Obregon found the best solution already.
It's like a Laugo Alien and a Benelli B76 had a baby and that baby had a baby with a 1911 and then this is that baby, baby. Now I want a baby sized Avenger.
The korth prs dosent use a standard 1911 lower but accomplished the same thing in a pretty 1911 like package.
Ian is right, i cannot out shoot my standard 1911. My eyes just aren't that great anymore. My accurized race 1911 is even better, but it's wasted on me.
5:52 "this is going to be a b!tch--"
😱 IAN!!
"bit challenging..."
😅 Phew....
Such a cool gun. The disassembly tells me the were not looking for military contracts
Austrian gun makers' philosophy ''It must not be simple.''
Honestly if this could be make easier to dis/assemble and clean then it could catch on for some crowds. I like the look but taking it apart... woof.
God I love hogue.
So everyone's favorite Largo Alien is the child of the Hogue Avenger.
When Ian says it's too complicated for him to disassemble, that means "OK kids, don't try this at home."
It's not just a 1911 it is a puzzle 😂