This is The MOST Expensive Lexus Model to Repair and Own! Be Aware!
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- The Lexus LS460 is one of the Most expensive Lexus models to repair and own! I always mentioned that you should be careful with LS460s as they can get very expensive to repair.
Today we take a look at a beautiful 2011 Lexus LS460 with only 70k miles that is in the shop for a lot of expensive repairs and in what I call the LS460 Pile up when repairs turn into more repairs. And at the same time we have a much older LS430 with double the miles and half the issues.
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I appreciate you so much!!!
I'm a 64 year old widow, and I'm in need of a reliable car. I have been watching your videos for weeks now, making lots of lists of what the best and worst cars are (and the years that were best within those years). THANK YOU for ALL you do to educate us!!!❤❤
I'm 71 senior, go with a Camry, you won't be sorry. But just like he said, have someone go over it. It's worth paying for and to assure that you made a great choice. If not, saved you $$$.
I also went with a Camry…. 2005 V6, since it was a top pick of the Car Care Nut in a past video. Couldn’t be happier. Maintenance is next to nothing, parts are cheap and it’s super easy to DIY service. I’ve had several newer cars in the past and this one always surprises me how smooth and comfortable it is considering its age. Best part is I got it for $4k from a private seller.
@@riceburner4747 I'd agree if somebody wants a decent sized car. Grateful my dad got the 06 Camry new which I still drive. I was going to post a comment myself before seeing yours. Hope the newer ones are still reliable and the hybrid battery warranty going forward gives hope. I think the overall size of the Camry is decent enough on safety, unless you encounter some really dumb motorists.
always have it inspected before you buy it though! no matter how pristine and pretty it looks!
So if you'd like a little guidance my mother is 71 and on her own. Currently she has some (2016/2017ish) Infiniti wagon I don't really care for but it is hers and she pays for it so I keep my lips zipped about it in order to not offend her. Lately she has talked about dipping her toes in and looking around for a "new" used car and I have made a few suggestions based on her past vehicles.. I have also helped her years ago pick out a few of them.. but she has gotten a bit headstrong these last several years or so.
The current suggestions that I have made for her within her budget are the Lexus RX as well as the ES model, the Avalon, Camry, Rav4, Highlander (too big she says and what I actually drive) and the Venza within the last ten years and to look for mileage around 60-80k ish or less.. also verify meticulous maintenance and other records on anything she is serious. I will help her only if she asks. I even suggested to look into the hybrid models of some of those I just listed and she doesn't seem too keen on any of those except she said she does does like the looks of the Toyota CHR which I personally wouldn't recommend. I have also suggested the Corolla Cross which just isn't flashy enough for her taste, it's a grandma car she says. In addition I go for the v6 models (namely the 2grfe engine) and I also prefer all wheel drive, just my personal preference.
Hope that helps you out in your quest, I only give my two cents as a middle aged son looking out for his mom. Good luck.
This is why I drive a 2002 LS430 and a 2002 4Runner 4wd Limited. Some would say they are old cars but they drive like new at 22 years old. Both were owed by old ladies and have around 150k. If I maintain these cars I see them lasting another 20 years easy. Can't go wrong with older toyotas. I personally like how the 430 looks over the 460
Agreed, to me Lexus design sort of lost its way when the ls460 came out
2005 LS430 is the best
I’m with you, I have a 2002 Tundra bought it brand new it still runs and looks great 👍🏽
We have a 2002 Tundra we bought new as well! It now has 535K and runs and drives like new. We do keep up on the maintenance but nothing has been done to the motor or transmission.
Mechanically your correct but when other stuff breaks and you can't get parts? Finding this out on older Lexus cars in the family🙄
I dont know how you can keep me engaged the whole video although I dont own a Lexus or Toyota, I don't have a car repair shop and I work in the medical field.
Your way of talking, presenting and explaining is great.
Wish you all the best
😂🤣😅 for real
I'm like you. I'm a retired nurse, I'm not a mechanic, I have a very good friend who is a mechanic and owns his own shop, like Amd. He has three full-time mechanics working for him.
I own an 07 Toyota Avalon, so now, 17 years later, I still love it like it was new. I'll never sell it.
What keeps me engaged in Amd's videos is his presentation. The information is given to us in relatable terms, which is very helpful when communicating with my mechanic. I understand him, and I am better able to get accurate information to him.
The series on the 600k mile Lexus keeps me glued to the screen. Sometimes, I have to chuckle. You think, ok, he's got something wrapped up, but no, wait a minute, there's something else. If Amd does fix everything, it will be a brand new car.😊
Same here, I'm a middle aged nurse who knows nothing about cars and drives a beat up minivan, yet I watch almost every video
Same bro. I have a Acura and know little of cars and work in medical yet I’m engaged the entire time
This is what happens when someone is passionate and good at what they do.
I'm so glad I sold my 2016 LS460 at 80,000 miles. I wish the new owner good luck on that car.
I've had a 2009 GS460 (same engine) for many years & it's been fantastic - but now it's getting up to that 80,000miles and the misfires have started... time to move it along I think - it really doesn't owe me anything so I can't be too upset about it.
Try driving an 05 Audi A6. Lolol. I could retire with the money I blew on this POS
Have you changed the sparkplugs? @@Beer_Dad1975
@@Beer_Dad1975
What's your real world MPG, out of curiosity?
@@maxxbenzz7842 Never buy a VAG car newer than 2004 is my motto 🤣
I love that he does not just play along with the usual Toyota/Lexus fanboy talk and tells it like it is. No car is perfect and even Toyota has some dumb stuff to deal with.
You just can't with the 460. I believe other expensive bugaboos of the 460 are melting dashes and ABS failures that cost thousands.
Check the top comment on this video blaming BMW 😂
Exactly what I wanted to say. Toyota guys are quite obnoxious and seem to think everything they make is as bulletproof as the Top Gear Hilux. They all have their issues and any service professional that does not acknowledge that is a hack
Yep. I am and always have been and always will be a Toyota fanboy 😅 but I appreciate this honest review and admit Toyota definitely has some dumb stuff
@@nowayout73 Most of us respect Toyota, that's why we watch CCN. Difference between respecting and 'denying reality' for 😂
MY 2013 Ls 460 L had the same problem at 175000 miles, and it took the mechanic 2 tries to do it right and it cost $2500 for the job. It was the only problem my Lexus LS had in 260000 miles when i sold it for good money . The LS was the most reliable Lexus I ever owned and I am on my 4th one.
Yeah, my 460 has over 170k right now and I haven’t done any expense repairs. Guess we got lucky. About to hit 175k though 😬
Mines been disastrous in suspension
I love the ls460 , still the most reliable luxury car
I hope my 2015 model keeps going, about to hit 65k miles on it this month
@@RahzAlGhul07-08?
I've been driving between Fresno and the Silicon Valley (360 miles weekly rt) for the past 12 years, caring for family w Parkinson's. There was 3 months where it was daily. Scheduling made it critical that I show up on time. My 92 Camry never failed until the head gasket blew at 500K miles. The 2003 replacement is giving the same reliable service. Used engine went into the 92 so I have reliable backup. Thank you Car Nut for all the good advice
Do you know why the head gasket blew? Did it overheat, or did it just blow?
@@Bubbles12345-cat It was weeping between the block and the head right at the exhaust manifold for over 200k miles. I was so busy I couldn't afford the down time so I ran it till it blew. When it did I got back from a trip, parked it and went inside. Next time I tried to start it it was hydro locked. I immediately bought a used 2003 and changed the locked engine a year later.
@@obsoleteprofessor2034 Thank you. Very interesting 🙋🏼♂️
I hope that the 2003 Camry is equipped with the V6 engine, not the bad 2.4L I4 motor that pulls head bolts threads when loosened for repair, requiring short block (2002-2004).
@@regal953 330K on the 4cyl so far. Eats 2 qts oil between changes...but oil is cheap.
The most knowledgeable mechanic on the internet.
I've had a LS400, LS430, a 2007 LS460L, and 2 2014 LS460 (still own one). The 2007-2012 had control arm issues, this was pretty much resolved in the 2013+ models and most of the issues you talk about here. I love the cars and find them to be very reliable.
Thanks for the intel. I've owned a 2007 LS460 for 10 years, now on the hunt for a lower miles 2017 LS460.
Same here, frontal control arms
Wasn’t the control arm issue resolved in the 2011 LS460 iteration?though that was the case
I own an 07 rear wheel drive 460. I bought it over a year ago for $12,000. I have had very few issues. Burns 1/2 quart of oil every 3,000 miles. Which does not matter much because I change the oil every 3k anyways. 127,000 miles. No suspension clunks, no coolant leaks. I love the car and will keep it as long as possible.
use 5w30 oil every 5k and check and replace the pcv valve every 100k mls
Got a 2010 460 sport and do the same thing, haven’t done anything but maintenance and am sitting at 170k
It shouldn't burn oil at that mileage, unless there is something wrong with the engine, or the oil was not changed regularly by the previous owner(s).
@@nihonkokusai Esp. the PCV valve. Changing at 3k is excessive.
@@wholeNwon I edited my comment
Toyota/Lexus must have hired the engineers from BMW/Audi to design the LS460.
The 430 was too reliable they probably didn't make much off stealership repairs.
The LS460 does feel very german when your working on it compared to the 430. Even the suspension design i german styled
When the new president of Toyota took over in 2004-2005 ish. He had a hard on for Mercedes crap cars. So, hence why the 460 is the worst toyota ever built. I tell everyone that if you buy a 460, i won't work on it. Im tired of fixing them.
Over complicate something for no reason 🤣🤣🤣🤣
i feel like they were experimenting more than anything tbh
This video is a great example of why I personally subscribed to this channel, I wish I could find a garage like yours in my country, it would be the only place I would trust to touch my car.
Thank you once again for a fantastic honest opinion led video 👍
What country you from?
I was fortunate to have put 378000 miles on my 2008 LS460. The only engine failure was the starter at 320K. I'm now the proud owner of a '14 GX460.. Letz gooooo...
I have an 08 as well. Did you drive only highway miles or city or both? Have you had any major repairs? I would love to know thanks.
@unavailable4466 Hello, the car had 75K miles when I purchased it in 2015. From 2015 until I retired it in 2024, I drove it 60% city and 40% highway miles. I did live in a rural area in SC. My commute to work was 55 miles one way. That and I lived 27 miles outside of the city. I've driven that vehicle From SC to NY and all the way down to Daytona, FL.
What I did do is use Mobil 1 full synthetic oil as soon as I purchased it. That and keeping it tuned up was my saving grace. I did have the lower control arms replaced but that's it as far as Maintenance.
@@WeAreOne-31Man I have to tell you, I just bought a 2007 with 144k. The car is a blast to drive but this video and other things I've been reading literally has me afraid of what I've got myself into.
@dangrimes5078 Facts! I'm on the other side & grateful I ended up with a tank of a LS460. Hopefully, the same for you. The vehicles will take on their owners personality. You take care of it & it will take care of you. 🤞🏿
@@WeAreOne-31 Let me ask you, I noticed the dash board on my car is sticky. Did you have that problem? I didn't understand what was going on but apparently the dash is melting? If it's like this in the winter I'm afraid in the summer it will be like fly paper. It kind of already is tbh.
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My LS430 has had a few issues, but nothing I couldn’t DIY in the driveway. Rear hubs weren’t the easiest thing ever, but I got it done. Everything else so far has been easy. Oh, unclipping the driver side downstream o2 sensor took a lot of patience and MacGyver-ing. But it has been absolutely rock solid as far as not being disabled. Very comfortable and quiet. I’ve heard from many sources to avoid the 460, especially before 2013. CCN reinforcing this for sure. I believe what he says without hesitation.
I would pick the Ls430 over the 460 for sure. Sealing the heat exchanger pays around 4 hours flat rate which is terrible time!
I believe that a majority of these issues apply to the pre facelift models of the LS460. 2013+ should be much better aside from the heat exchanger issue.
I hope so. I have 2017 with only 27k miles and I don’t want to have to go to the stealership to find something to replace it with.
Nice information. I'm not sure if all the LS460 are having the same problems. My 2007 has 305K and it's my daily driver, besides the front suspension (you can non-OEM for less than 500, they last 3-4 years, which I'm ok) no issues. I owned a 2001 LS430 before and the 460 is still my favorite. The car runs great, the engine and transmission are original. Maybe The car Care Nut can compare this 305K miles vs the 80K. Like always great content on your videos!
I think the Toyota Avalon is the perfect large size car. You get the same size with a V6 engine that’s still powerful!
Agreed. The Avalon is a fine automobile and I prefer it over the Camry, I like the v6 Camry in a high trim.. but I also like a mid size, all wheel drive SUV so I went with the Highlander.
Currently trying to steer my elderly mother towards a gently used Avalon.
Bought my a new avalon 2 years ago!
Yes, I have respect for Avalon but I just don’t like the styling, it’s too boring for my taste but definitely great reliable car. The Camry even looks better just not as powerful I don’t think. I have 2 Lexus a 460 and 250. Just my preference
Unfortunately not available where I live. 😢
You are right. Avalon is a great car overall but it is not Lexus :) And for many people it makes difference
A wise man once told me if you can’t afford a car when it was new, you can’t afford to fix it when it’s old.
That would only apply to certain expensive new cars. My car was expensive new for me in 1992 @16k, yet it has been so cheap to keep and can get 40 mpg. It's a Celica. It's far less expensive than any new one today.
Not so wise man. New cars are THE worst investments on the planet.
A nice idea but not true.
@@GranMastaDeeyeah, the statement sounds wise but it's not very wise
I had a 08 LS460. While it was great during my ownership, the control arms were going at around 90k miles and was going to cost $3500 or so to replace at an independent mechanic and $5500 at the dealer. The interior was also melting which was another issue with these cars. Those issues aside though, the car was great.
Lexus had a warranty “enhancement” program where a lot of people got their melted dashboards replaced for free.
I had a 2007 LS where the previous owners had gotten it done and it was beautiful after it’s done.
For anyone who’s getting one, skip the ones where the previous owner missed this program.
Agreed. I have a ls460. The worse of all ls. But my fav design. Still have it.
Dude they not only did the dash but the entire interior for me. It’s the oldest new car I’ve ever seen.
I complained because the color didn’t match the dash and they swapped everything inside out. That’s like over 5k but it was covered
I'd like to ask you a question if you don't mind. I just bought a 2007 ls460. I noticed the top of the dash is sticky. I thought someone must have used armor all or something. Now I'm wondering if the dash is melting. Have you experienced this?
@@dangrimes5078yes this is apparently a known issue with the earlier model years of the ls460. if the previous owner did not get it replaced when Lexus had that replacement program, I believe it is too late to get that replaced now, but doesn't hurt to ask your local dealer.
I’m not sure if this is common in all LS 460s but I own a 2008 LS 460 with 185,000 miles and I have had no real issues. I change my oil every 4000 miles everything’s original except for a brakes and other normal maintenance. The vehicle before I bought it was a company car and the oil changes were at the proper intervals but I have heard nightmares about these vehicles but I don’t think it’s systemic.
Oh man being a german car guy I looked at these and they looked like such a great deal. Not knowing much about Lexus I assumed it would be perfectly relaible. I found the issues with the suspension parts prices and immediately turned away. I had no idea the engine was also so finicky.
Ditto. You know a BMW is going to give you an amazing time, when its running right, and we just assumed a Lexus would always stay running right.
Undoubtedly your best video explanation of why/why not to consider certain model/years of a Lexus…the video was both comprehensive but easy to understand…great job AMD!
I'd say skip both and go for a fully loaded Avalon, or an ES350 if you still want the Lexus badge. But if you insist on RWD and a V8, get the GS400 or LS400.
You’re very right about the the RWD V8 Lexus cars but the GS400 is absolutely one of the hardest cars to find for a good price and was well maintained…
Indeed. Go with the Avalon or ES350. Great cars, and they're much cheaper to maintain.
As someone who owns a 2008 ES350, I prefer the loaded Avalon. The things that make a Lexus luxurious can be very subtle and not all that mind blowing, just high quality all the time.
I purchased a 1998 Lexus GS 400 in 2019 with 207K for $2200 from an older lady here in Tampa. It has 240k miles now. It's almost in mint condition. No leaks or rust anywhere on the car including the underbelly.
The interior is in great condition. The driver seat has a few cracks . She had just moved here from California and wanted a smaller car. She only drove it on road trips and was garage kept.
I purchased a timing belt kit including water pump and all the suspension parts from Rock Auto and my mechanic did the labor and I saved a lot of money. It looks and runs better than any new car and I get a lot of compliments.
I'm a huge fan of TCCN, and I just purchased a 2014 LS460, knowing well what I was getting into. I spent hundreds of hours of research on the ClubLexus forums, watching AMD's videos, and looking for the perfect car with an excellent service history for almost a year. I had 2 sold out from under me, and I'm glad, because the one I ended up with is much better. 85k miles, all OEM control arms and 60k service done, all other services performed at a Lexus dealer, and I even had a different Lexus dealer perform my PPI. They found the valley plate leaking, so I used that to get the price lowered on the car. When the advisor told me that despite that, it was a beautiful well-maintained car and that he'd himself buy it, I went for it. It's going to Lexus to have the heat exchanger leak repaired, and I know what it costs. I'm also getting a transmission drain/fill since it's never been done, with my advisor saying "it's lifetime, Lexus doesn't recommend it, but I'll do it if you want." AMD says every 60k, that's what I do. I've done it on my 11 ES 350 and have 198k trouble free miles. I only wish I lived closer to his shop, so I could have him do all my work. I'll keep dailying the ES as my trusty, fuel-efficient, and reliable car. The LS will be a weekend and every now and then treat to drive.
AMD, can you do a video on the brake actuator/pump/relay failure? Lexus has extended the warranty to 10yrs/150k miles on these. I'm still covered until November this year. That's another $2500 repair. I call all these items the Big 3: Control arms, valley plate leak, and brake actuator. Get past those and you've got the worst of things knocked out.
I also have a 2014. Can you please share where you found info about the ABS warranty extension?
Nice post. Thanks. Welcome to the LS family.
yeah fuck that "lifetime" fluid bullshit that tranny will blow at 200k if you don't change the atf.
Brake actuator’s fail in these because people don’t flush the brake systems and crap gets into the solenoids. I’ve saved a few flushing the system with a few gallons of brake fluid including my own.
@@Fix-it-tony that's not normal and makes the 460 shitty
11:16 - there's a reason why I watch all of your videos. This is it. I own a Tacoma and I honestly don't really need or plan to buy a sedan. But, you are knowledgeable, and your advice is meant to help people. Wish there were more people on TH-cam (and in real life) like you
98-2000 LS400 is the high water mark for me. VVTi, coil on plug, A650E, better instrument cluster, better looks and you can get Bilstein shocks for it. LS Perfected.
I have a 1998 GS400, solid engineering, most reliable car I've ever owned. The timing belt service is the only big ticket item, and I did my 2nd one last year when it hit 230k miles. Still runs like new, not interested in selling it!
@@fastfingers1957Great minds think alike! I love my 2002 GS430. Such a great car. Put on some Bilstein shocks, Megan sway bars, and some judicious use of polyurethane bushings up front and the thing drives fantastic. One of the best Lexus cars ever made.
How do the Bilstein shocks ride? I’ve been thinking about getting them but I’m worried it’ll make the ride too firm
I own the 2000 LS400. That car is bulletproof. I have 214,000 miles on it and just changed the radiator.
@@jakes2311I really like the Bilsteins. They firm up the ride but are not harsh. Couple that with upgrade sway bars and it really reduces body roll and improves responsiveness.
Bought a used 2010 ES a few years ago with 85,000 miles. It's been absolutely flawless. I have put a little over 52,000 miles on it and wouldn't hesitate to get another. Would love to get an LS but couldn't afford the repairs. My daughter has a 2012 Camry with a v6. My Lexus is much smoother and quieter but the Camry is just as reliable.
I must be one of the lucky ones to own an 2011 AWD Long wheel base.
I bought mine proof 2023 and have put 32,400 as at today without any issues!
But here is the deal. When I bought mine, I removed all the air suspension and put high-end coilovers; replaced the valley plate; put new brakes; new heat exchanger; control arms; new sparkplugs and many more work. All work done at Lexus for almot$6000. Currently sitting at 184,300 miles
What coilovers did you use? Currently thinking about replacing the air suspension on my 09 AWD LS460
I bought at 2010 460 sport and put 20k miles one it, and as far as I’m aware there are no issues sitting at 170k rn. This video scares me and I want to sell it.
I remember sitting in one of these at the New England Auto Show in Boston back in 2012. We laughed at the $80k price tag but the door chime was the same as my mother’s 91 Tercel and my 89 Corolla All Trac. We were impressed that as soon as we shut the door, the crowd noise immediately went to just barely noticeable (lotta people packed in that convention center)
I've learned a good amount on this channel especially for my 2010 Toyota Camry V6 (34550 original miles) and other Toyota and Lexus cars! The best part is that you don't cut corners and I really appreciate that! Great video!
3 years ago I was tempted to look into a LS430 but i chose my 2002 ES300, original owner with 160k miles. within first 2 years i did have to replace several original OEM parts: starter, alternator, exhaust flex pipe, front brake calipers, denso ignition coil packs, denso plugs, and 4 struts. all other parts were replaced with GENCO. but its worth every penny. best car i’ve ever owned. now with 180k miles and going strong.
It's a top Camry 3.0, but it's a front wheel drive car,please try driving LS430
@@jackchen6911 my ES300 doesn’t compare to a camry. same platform but that’s where it ends. excellent insulation and extra structural support. strut tower brace and bracing behind the rear seats sets this apart from the camry. tight and super quiet. there’s a reason why it cost more than a camry. LS430’s are awesome but don’t need a V8 and the extra size.
That's a LOT to replace. My '98 has only needed brakes so far.
@@wholeNwon yeah but hopefully im set. I change the synthetic oil every 5000 miles myself. muffler was changed by the dealer. This engine is golden. There’s one on TH-cam from four years ago with almost 600,000 miles on it.
@@stephendibari5010 Best of luck. There was a 1uz-fe with 1000000.
As an owner of a Launch Edition LS600, I 💯 agree with this video. With absolutely nothing breaking, just taking care of things that wear out, this is the most absurdly expensive vehicle I’ve ever owned and maintained.
a Porsche 911 is even worse, but they drive so well that owners just pay up
You apparently have never owned German vehicles.
@@2003evodave correct, and I am glad I got this instead of the S65 I was thinking of 🫣
I came so close to buying one of these. I am so thankful that someone got there before me! I am now in a '19 4Runner TRD Pro. Not as snazzy, but will last forever.
In either case, Exxon Mobil thanks you for considering only the vehicles they recommend.
As an exercise for the class, figure out what this guy's real needs in a car are, if both of those meet his needs.
V-8 power? No
Great handling? No
Fuel economy? No no no
Offroading capability? No
True luxury? No
Cargo capacity? No
Towing capability? No
Regular gas? No, premium is fine, whatever
Conspicuous consumption? Probably
Actually made in Japan? Would have to ask him, but it looks like a trend
Something for his kid to drive to the prom? Maybe
Keeping up with the Joneses? Definitely, bingo.
He forgot to mention that he probably also considered a Nissan GT-R.
The auto industry thrives on making people want stuff they don't need.
It works great for them, because most people buy what they want rather than what just meets their actual needs.
It pays off double for the car makers, because then people bail out and buy something else sooner.
Preferably something else that wasn't the best choice for them to keep a long time.
You're an amazing human being Car Care Nut. I pray that God continues to bless and keep you and your family. Love you brother.
This is why once you go v6 and beyond you start running into issues like complicated timing covers and tough valve covers to reach. Love having a simple Rav4 with 2ar-fe
I own a 2011 LS460. 245,000 miles, still drives like new. Haven’t had repairs in over 4 years but when I did it was expensive. Regardless it’s still of Lexus quality which is exquisite. The 430 is definitely a better buy and still has an up to date classier look than most cars today. Great information!
Still will buy a Lexus LS460 anyday!
There is a reason why it's rare to find them in the workshop 😎
Especially 2013 to 2016 models
Thanks for your honesty! Peoples buy for cheap price a luxury car but forget that when needing repairs , it is still a $100 000 dollars car and parts cost for that $100 000 dollars car, not the $8000 that they paid........
Well said, I learned my lesson with my Sc400. Though it was a cheap reliable luxury car, now it needs over 20k$ in parts. Can’t imagine how expensive it can be for someone not mechanically inclined.
At least it’s not a German car
They must always remember the 92,000 they saved upstream.
@@1a1_sc400what in the world is wrong with it that it needs $20k in parts??
I’m going to say I stumbled upon you videos just scrolling through not looking for anything particular. Your knowledge and connivance of said knowledge is outstanding.
Keep it coming bud, very educational!! Almost considered trading my LS430 (which I love very much) for 2015 LS460 just because it’s newer.
2014 and up are so nice, but doesnt beat the classiness of black on black ls430
Thank you for the video, I was in the market for a 2007 LS460 and after seeing your video I truly have changed my mind.
Great video, Amd. The last time I went looking for a different car, I had an 03 Lincoln Town Car. Beautiful car, but I had always wanted a Lexus. I was 120 miles from home at a Toyota dealership. I had been looking at two Lexus cars online, an 04 LS 430, and a RX 350. I never made it to either Lexus. I spotted an 07 Avalon Touring car. I was in love. Needless to say, we made a deal, and I drove home in my Avalon. After a few weeks, I was questioning my decision and began thinking I'd keep it two or three years and trade it for a Lexus. Well, all these years later, I still have my Avalon, her name is Blue, and she's part of the family. She's been incredibly dependable, normal maintenance, and that's it. She's just over the 93k mile mark now. I'm retired, so I'm not putting as many miles on her as I did when I was working. I still get the urge to buy a Lexus, but common sense wins out. Blue will be the last car I own. When I'm done driving, I will pass her down to someone in the family. I'm a little partial to her, but I think she's barely broke in, and there's probably another 300k miles left in her as long as she's cared for the way I do. Oil and filter, along with tire rotation every 3k miles, I've done it that way from day one. All the other maintenance gets done by the owners' manual recommendations.
I just love that car.
Thank you for taking the time to provide us with this timely information. Most appreciated!
Finally, an ls460 video loves your videos. Please, more videos of the ls460
I owned an LS430 and loved it but I next went to an ES because I heard so many bad things regarding the LS460. Looks like I made the right call.
Let’s not forget the infamous LS460 ABS module that’s costs a kidney to repair. Hell nah to this Lexus.
just did the valley pan and the ABs in the last month
DIY? What mileage? How long did it take you? Any injectors break?@@dw5479
I got: brake actuator and accumulator, ABS, coolant valley, interior plastics, various rubber failures in the suspension, and a high pressure fuel system part. I was almost grateful when the car was totaled by another driver, as it stopped the bleeding. And I replaced it with an ES with an extended service plan to cover the potential for a timing cover oil leak and coils.
how much is the ABS module? I have a 100 series Land Cruiser and the ABS on those was $2400 for the part until some dealerships dropped it down to $1400. Just curious how the LS460 part compares price wise. thanks
I had that brake actuator replaced as well. Only the dealership can do that because they have to code the part with your vehicle.
I remember reading about the LS460, Toyota/Lexus rushed its development to release it as quickly as possible, and because of that, it didn't have the same solid reputation as its older siblings the 400 and 430.
What about the double facelift 2013+?
@@OcaOca Could be a bit better, didn't check that one out, but if I were to give a verdict, I'd still rate it below the 400/430.
@@OcaOcaSame car just updating suspension parts and face-lift. New radio too.
The Ugliest bunch Lexus ever designed to date! I know Ahmet is right times and times over. That said I love my money pit. But just bought a scanner and intend to do a lot myself. Incidentaly Ahmet omitted a bad one of the 460LS flaws. The Brake Accumolator/Pump fiasco, Its the one I am expecting not to far down the road. God bless Ahmet ! @@OcaOca
@@OcaOcaFacelift is wayyyy better, always always buy facelift cars, even AMD says to avoid first 3 years.
I have a 2013 ls460 (face-lift model) I've had it since November of 2022. Had the valley plate leak fixed under warranty. Haven't had any other issues. Car has air suspension and never had an issue with it. It also an awd model. It was maintained very well always at lexus from the carfax history. If you want an Ls460 just get a 2013+. It's crazy to see all the issues these are having. My car has 106k miles
I also have a 2013, with 90k miles, and the the valley plate leak has been repaired under warranty. My understanding is that the 2013+ still is susceptible to all of these issues, with the exception of the control arms, which were updated. Love the car, but AMD always makes me feel like I'm driving a ticking time bomb of repairs!
I have a 14 F Sport AWD, 148k miles at this point, had close to 40 regular maintence records at the dealership. Valley plate has no leaks(yet), one Air strut is clunking but rest of control arms are in great shape with no play. I will eventually convert it to regular strut, not because I can't afford it but they are more durable and less problematic in the long run. There are LS460 with regular struts out there.
@s140s sad part is start masters doesn't sell a kit for the AWD model for normal struts. Even worse in my case since I have the recling rear seats so it's quite a task to even just replace the strut.
@@Hondaman0924 You can buy front Monroes with springs on Rockauto, rear you got to get OEM from non air Awd or low milage used. All new OEM springs struts mounts etc is 1500$
I gotta give you credit for keeping it real and being a great mechanic, your advice helped me fix the coolant seal on my 2014 AWD 460 easily and successfully! From my experience, you are way too right on these lol big fan of your channel!
did you see any symptoms of it? did the car start to overheat or u started seeing coolant?
@@TheShakir98I topped off coolant the night before and I turned it on the next day and luckily no music was playing and I heard splashing around behind the glove box, i already did my homework on these and skipped straight to looking behind the engine and saw coolant trails spilled on the transmission.
As always Ahmed, your wisdom is very important, and thank you for loving your customers. I almost bought a 2012 LS460 AWD with 83,000 miles, original owner, fantastic maintenance history, $16,500 offer and they accepted. But after thinking more and more, I decided not to based on your opinions.
As an owner of a 2007 LS460L with air suspension and all the other stuffs. I agree it’s EXPENSIVE to keep it on the road. I have about 186,000 miles on mine, it’s pretty well looked after but I can attest, there have been $10,000 service visits. Even if you buy a nice one, at some point you will experience an expensive service visit. In the next few weeks I need a new rear mark levinson subwoofer, that’s gonna be expensive. The only thing that doesn’t work is the rear defroster, the glass has power, the whole circuit works but somehow the glass is defective, I haven’t done it yet because I live in SoCal I need a defroster maybe twice a year, that can wait. Other than that, if something is broken, it gets fixed, and it gets fixed with OEM parts at a dealer.
Does Mark Lev. Sub sound like its blown? If its not the voice coil then possibly just need a new surround. A new re-cone kit might all you need. $30 or so sounds better than $115-130 on ebay for a used sub.
Same here with my 08 at 187000 km
Yikes!
You are an excellent technician and mechanic, but even more rare, a good person!
My mother had the LS430 and put just over 200K miles on it, but when she turned 80 years old she wanted to downsize her car, so she bought a Lexus ES with the 3.5L V6.
It has every bell and whistle on it.
She said that it would be the last car she’ll ever buy, but I’m sure when she turns 90, she’ll buy another one… but by then she’ll be living with us so instead of an ES, she will need an NX or RS AWD because we get 5-7 feet of snow every winter.
My wife’s Outback does great with our snow as does my 23 Tacoma TRD Off Road.
Her driver's license will likely get taken away before age 90. Old people have no business driving.
@@gdcat777 My grandma was driving at 95 and lived a few more years after the state took her license, upon my mother’s request
I have had two 2007 LS460 L vehicles and loved each of them first one (black on black) 146k and the other (white on tan) 186k. The only major issue was the air suspension due to a car tire in the road but was taken care of by the extended warranty. The only reason I do not have them today, each was totaled and saved my daughter as well as my life. They both were purchased used in 2013 with 46k miles (black) and 2019 with 52k miles (white). I am a believer lover of the LS 460. I agree with the Car Care nut, you get what you pay for, so if you cheap out be prepared to pay out. I paid $23k (black) and $19.8k for the white.
We JUST bought a 2008 Lexus LS460 RWD 103k originally from Atlanta & was previously owned by a telecom CEO. All service records from new, hopefully it isn’t a dud lol Will be going to you for our first service!
I had a 93 Lexus ES300 and loved it. I want to buy one again.
2 years ago I lucked out and found a retiring "One Owner" RWD "MINT" 2007 LS460 perfectly maintained (141k miles with no accidents) with all Lexus service records, customer had just had the control arms replaced and a full service/inspection (verified) done by Lexus right before before he decided to sell it...Was not cheap (it's now my daily driver) but so far it's only been in at Lexus for routine 5k services, a bad vacuum hose and a tire pressure sensor...You are correct, they can be "very" expensive cars to work on, but I knew that going in...I also own a 97 LS400 and a 2022 LC500, LOVE THEM ALL!!!👍☺
My elderly neighbors across the street own a 97 LS400. That thing is in mint condition. One day it was sitting outside their house and I was asking what was wrong. It was the alternator. They said they had a couple recalls on it but other than that alternator going out, it didn't have many issues. They said it had a leak but their mechanic said just to keep an eye on the fluid levels and it should be OK. So they decided not to fix anything. And it's still going. They also have a 2001 RX 300 that he said they had no problems with. Then a couple layers later the air conditioner unit went out. But that was it. They kept saying they would look at new cars every once in a while but couldn't find anything as comfortable. That's when I told my parents to look at Lexus when they were looking at new cars in 2020. My dad got the ES 350 and Mom got the NX 300. Both leased. Mom decided to purchase her NX since car prices are crazy and dad bought a new 23 RX 350. Anyone looking into buying a used car, I tell them to look at Lexus!
I wonder if...remove the front cover and position it such that you can cut that pipe in half, use a new o-ring, shove said pipe in...the fill the gap with JB Weld. Do the same for the other pipe half and then connect the two with a hose and clamps. Hopefully, it can never leak again, bearing in mind the jump hose is good quality.
Youre the thinking kind of the tree shade mechanics group! I salute You. Got 2008/460/rwd myself, just about replacing the ECU that misteriously died while boosting. Still dont know how in the world i managed that to fail.
Well such is life in Lexus world. Sporting 327.016KM at the present. One does have to get creative in do it yourself world, owning a TIG is a butt saver at times.
Thanks so much for the honest upfront information. I have an es350 and have thought often about upgrading to the 460. Thanks for saving me from making a huge mistake. I will just stick with my old reliable es350.
Apples and oranges. One isn't anything like the other. Of course the ES will be more reliable----it's nowhere near as luxurious or sophisticated, and that's fine. You have to own the vehicle you prefer, for the reasons that are most important to you. I have an LS460. I recently wanted to get another car for the household, a smaller sedan, and looked at the ES350----ended up getting a Honda Accord EX-L V6 instead.
So glad I watched this. I have a 2013 gs 350, I was starting to look for an LS. Sounds like there isn’t much difference between the Lexus and the German options. I’m very sad to hear that the ls 460’s aren’t an option. I was hoping for “typical” Lexus reliability.
The V8s are a different animal.
@@mcc7762 that’s unfortunate!
After watching this excellent and informative video I can imagine how hellish owning the late models Merc S-class, BMW 7 series or Audi A8 can be. Thank you for reminding about that.
Congratulations on 1 million subs Ahmmed see you soon!
Hi my name is Paul in Australia I watch your videos very often as I am a proud owner of 2004 LS430 and yes I have owned LS 460 a couple of them I too had several problems but I have had many other vehicles such as Mercedes and BMW AND HAD WORST PROBLEMS SO WHEN i was looking to buy another Lexus I took note of your comments and bought a
2004 LS430 this has been very well maintained and receipts all from the same mechanic thank you for your valuable advice 😊 kindly regards Paul from Newcastle Australia 🤠🤠🤠🤠🐨🐨🐨🐨🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘
Man thanks to God we have you as advisor, mechanic and honest person, listening all the nightmares about this luxurious Lexus is like a recommendation to keep my humble ’13 Camry XLE, 140k and the only problem is the “rattling” , I just need time to fix it myself 😁
U can extend the life of the window switch motors by doing this I thing ( take silicone -not WD-40-spray with straw and spray tiny amount into rubber seal only on right (track aside the mirror)
And track along door jam! Don’t do the bottom you’ll streak/smear crap on the glass!) you’ll only have to do this once every 6 months!
It makes the glass slide on the rubber seals with less friction means less wear and Less work the motor has to push out
If you use WD-40 you’ll end up spraying after every rain storm or cash wash!
Silicone spray will not wash away/off as WD40
My brother in law is someone who is very well off and has owned all kinds of luxury vehicles. Audi A7, Porsche Panamera, Mercedes 550 etc and out of all these cars the one vehicle that he misses the most is the 2005 LS 430. The most smooth , quiet and comfortable car he ever sat in. Till this day he regrets selling that thing.
He’s right, my 1998 LS I only had to change the control arms once and I put over 300 thousand miles on it. My 2008 LS460 has 269 thousand miles and I’m about to order those lower control arms for a third time because they are shot and that’s a job I hate to do on the LS460. I’ll replace my wheel hubs the same time.
Also recently had to have the Lexus dealership replace my starter because that was a job I did not want to tackle, and a few months ago they replaced the brake actuator, very costly repairs.
It's hard for people to understand that a very nice looking and running car can have a VERY negative value.
Don't forget about the high pressure fuel sensor. It goes out she won't start. But I'm one of those I love mine, i enjoy it, 2012 LS 460 L.
LS430 from my understanding carries over a ton of the ls400 engineering. The land cruiser of sedans, 500k mile life off the showroom floor.
I lusted for the ls460 for years when I was younger, now I appreciate the 430 being the last of the real toyotas
Your honesty is greatly appreciated. Looking out for the customer - you are a rare breed.
I own a 2013 ls460 bought it used in 2016. Not an issue what so ever
As the former owner of a 2002 S600 with the sport package. I absolutely feel the pain of the LS460 massive repair bills.
your were in a different league, I still own a 99 911 so….
I'm glad you made this video, I've been looking at ls460s
They are great luxury cars.
I purchased my 2011 LS 460 l July 2023 with 101,000 mi on it. It now has 105,000 I did replace all the control arms. You know what it's worth every penny we absolutely love this car it floats on air. To me it will be worth fixing whatever it might need in the future; these cars are truly special.
Gots a 2013, got it with 42k miles got coverage upto 150k. I checked Vin at Lexus and read thur sever history of car. Smooth, quite, no issues. If anything hoping things go before 150k so I can get replaced with out touching my pocket then go Hopefuly other 100k. So far car been treat.
AMD, I feel you are asking a rhetorical question but if you really want an answer - LS 430. 😉 It sounds like the most expensive car in the whole Lexus /Toyota universe is a cheap LS 460.
What the hell 😂 where did you get that emoji from??
@@jgilbert392 I presume TH-cam supplied the emoji.
Sometimes people only want to hear what they want to hear instead of listening to the truth. LISTEN TO THIS MAN! He knows his trade and is truthful about everything he talks about on his channel. Anyone who has watched him for any length of time knows this.
Regards from Athens Greece...the poor relatives...LS200!❤
I almost - ALMOST - bought one of these a couple years back... it was low mileage and super clean - a gorgeous car... BUT, I just couldn't figure out why the seller only wanted 10K and was willing to negotiate... I steered clear and am now glad I did.
I think all of our car manufacturers have gone off the deep end. Cars are complex for no good reason. There is room for a new car company to come out with a simple, reliable car that has basics, pwr winows, doors and windows. Simple heating and cooling controls. Zero screens. I will use my phone for maps and music. I can get an aftermarket backup camera that I can replace easily. I can put my own speakers in ( only need two). A simple front wheel drive powertrain. No airbags. People need basic transportation - remember the kcar from lee iococa? Sold like hotcakes. Simple car. Easy to fix. Much more reliable than current chrysler products.
Those types of vehicles are made worldwide they’re just not legal here in the States.
People rate the Dacia Duster for that
Yeah you can thank your government for that. The list of stuff the government REQUIRES your car to have nearly doubles the cost of most cars.
These are six figure cars that wealthy people drive for 4 or 5 years and buy a new one. If you cant afford one new you cant afford one used.
The tech crazy customers, usually women, are driving that nonsense. They cannot live without their cell phones, screens, and social media.
I really appreciate this video as the wife and I are Lexus fans and I was considering the LS460
I have a 2007 LS460 RWD...previous owener maintained it and I called the previous shop and they said the owner always did everything they recommended. The arms look great, regular transmission and oil changes, the brake actuator, water pump, zlz recall, and starter have been replaced, the rear trunk button has been replaced, and my local lexus dealer said it looked very good for 145k miles. I will only put 6-8k miles a year on it and I have been happy with it thus far doing the regular maintenance.
you will be perfectly fine with it as those are the miles I put on it as well every year. I have nothing but good experience with a 2008 LS460. nothing has ever been required on it.
@@tupledwa the only issue I have is it burns a quart of oil every 1500ish miles.
@@chrishamby86 I have not hit that stage yet as I only have 49k miles on it. its no big deal as likely we all likely switch to EV's as daily drivers in next few years and use this as a Long trip car.
@@tupledwa that is some low miles! Mine has meticulous records and all major issues have been taken care of by the previous owner and myself at this point. All fluids and many parts have been returned to OEM. Since I work from home I don't put many miles on it during the week. We did use it to drive from Lexington KY to Hilton Head and it was perfect for such a drive.
Just by the fact that you own two LS430 already told us which one to choose. You are totally right. I am not selling my 120k miles LS430. -- Proud owner of LS430 and LC500.
I’ve seen much worse design issues with BMW, Audi and Mercedes in our shop. This is minimal compared to those overpriced European vehicles. Toyota has a reputation for correcting some poor engineering practices/decisions by issuing voluntary recalls and issuing technical service bulletins. That is their mindset/practice for decades. Overall, this specific Lexus is a great vehicle with minimal of issues. Another great posting from AMD.
That is because you have no clue about european cars over there. I see a lot of BMW's all over most of Africa and Asia.,and THEY can handle them in less developed countries, but you NOT????
@@svein-haraldribland8559 there’s a belief or idea that European cars made in the US versus those made in Europe are inferior. I have no basis to make that claim, but there are issues within our shop where we see many European vehicle owners switching to Japanese. Purchase price is one reasons and long term reliability (price of parts, frequency of repairs and labor costs) Labor costs for a European brand car is much higher than a Japanese vehicle. More than 1/2 our customer base sold off their European cars for these reasons.
Wish I watch your video before bought one last year for my son, I DIY everything so far and is so expensive even with aftermarket part, every picky and after it drive fine the computer still say there no communication in the steering wheel system. Ride extremely nice with a headache. Bought it for 3k now I am way over 6k in parts alone labor is free from me countless hours. Be more than ready to buy one. Thank very much for your honest opinion.
What about the final year 2017 ls460? After the double facelift i feel they would fix everything
Feel? Hope you don't vote with your feelings too.
I really love my 2005 LS 430. It has 188, 800 miles now. Running wonderful
I was waiting for that video
same here, but I love to work on cars too
Ive found great control arm replacement sets for less than half of oem prices on these cars, and ebay motors will tend to sell air struts for cheap as well. Both of those jobs are quite easy to complete, with the valley plate being the one difficult problem. If you can turn a wrench, and you can find a 460/600h for a good price, I dont see a reason not to go in
Speaking with authority ! But the truth !!!
Thank you for an honest, unbiased opinion. Much appreciated.
LS430 > LS460
Surprising how Lexus had lost some of the reliable DNA when they made the 460
What’s sad is the 460 has the timing chain when the 430 has the timing belt and that timing belt job is not cheap especially if you want it done right.
@@boogitybear2283 true but I’d say the belt gives you peace of mind to have it replaced while timing chain issues are more difficult and costly to repair
@@grandtheftauto1233Lexus chains never break. The 430 is still cheaper to repair and maintain than the 460.
@@kingofuseddurablecars.ls6040 fair enough 👍
LS400 >both the LS430 and LS460.
I had to buy new axles, full front control arms set, and fix the brake pad and rotors since I had the LS 460 but luckily I was able to fix many of it with a buddy of mine. Parts all together were about $1200. The car does have issues if mistreated but luckily it had past owners that did it’s required scheduled maintenance on fluids and what not. Keeping an eye on the ABS module like many others are saying lol
Great video and information. A cautionary tale.
I owned a 2004 LS430 UL and it was a blast to drive, very comfy, WELL built and VERY reliable, I loved the car but it gave off grandpa vibes and I'm not even in my 40's. In 2016 I bout an LS 460 Fsport. Very beautiful car, fun to drive, didn't give off grandpa vibes. I still have it but I don't drive it as much anymore. However, I have replaced all four air struts (OEM) and last month I replaced all 8 control arms OEM, resealed the high pressure fuel pumps, new tires and alignment and that was $7,000. Now the Valley plate needs to be resealed and I'll get that sorted out maybe next month. If they made a NA LS500 Fsport I would have traded her in a long time ago. Everything he said is true, I'd be ver careful with 460's on the market, they're pushing up on 10 years old and they're going to pop up on the market. Now after all the money I spent on mine, I'd like to say I'd never sell it.
I have that specific car in RWD. 2011 LS 460 RWD with Sport Package. I bought this over a Mercedes/BMW for all the reasons you always talk about. I did my research and bought one with the control arms already done, as well as the leak in the engine valley, in other words, I did my research BUT...I hadn't come across your page. I feel like I bought a good one, and I'm still pretty sure I need to get rid of it soon after watching LS-related videos. Since ownership, I've lost the trunk actuator (replaced it myself, there's a guy on ebay who rebuilds them), the column tilt/telescoping is out, and it has a voltage leak that kills the battery after a few days. On the place side, drives great, handles well, power settings and air suspension work but now, all I can think of...is when? When is the big bill coming?
Peace of mind is priceless brother. Sell it, get an LS 430.
@@michesbianan you are not wrong. The problem is when I drive the car I love it. So far it's been manageable but I'm likely selling it and not buying another highway battle wagon.
@@michesbianan and fortunately, it's one of three cars. Best bang for the buck has been my 2009 Frontier
LS430 owner here, now at 160k, over the decades eventually had to replace n repair items per my mechanic, and it drives great. He warned me against LS460 too. I have a 2016 GSF so LS is easy to verify it really is worth keeping. In contrast, my 97 Jag XJ6, while easy to keep running, the suspension has never recovered it’s full magic in today’s rougher roads
With your eloquence if you wanted to sell me a Yugo, I'd buy it.