Buffy the Vampire Slayer Talk || s6e03 "After Life"
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sorry this is a few days late! had an exporting issue, but hope you guys are enjoing s6 so far!
Ooh, you're gonna have a rough time, season 6 is hard. The psychological aspect is very hard.
Let's see how you're doing after season 6 episode 19.
I don't remember what happens in the episode numbers people keep mentioning, but there's a lot of spoilers around, watch out
@@alicequinn505 9 and 19 are particularly rough in season 6.
@@alicequinn505 she has already finished Buffy so spoilers are fine now I guess she just doesn't want to hire an editor so puts stuff on youtube really slowly
"They can never know. Never."
She never stops sacrificing herself. Never.
some extreme imbalance in these relationships. buffy badly needs some self-care.
@@sirmoonslosthismind I really agree. SPOILERS FOR S7
I wish season 7 had done something to address this, but instead it goes the other way
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these weren't concepts contemporary audiences were ready to deal with. if a show gets too far ahead of its time, it gets cancelled.
@@jaycievictory8461There are a lot of things season 7 could have done better.
@@jaycievictory8461went so far the other way everyone besides spike lost their mind and kicked hot out of her own house…. And not a single person told willow that out of everyone she was the last person to open her mouth…. She literally caused it all. So many things in the last two seasons should be changed
"Every night I save you" literally made me teary in the middle of my work day despite watching it a million times, ugh.
One of Spike's best lines, imo ❤💔♥️
Yes love that scene 🥺
And Buffy seems like the only person she can be herself around is Spike.
Mixed feelings - yay for Spike, sad for Buffy...
Every sad moment in this show still makes me cry after I’ve seen it just as much
@@Ebbagullalmost EVERY phrase out of his mouth is like freaking POEM or song lyric..
Honestly, I have so much respect for this show’s choice to resurrect a character and NOT have it be immediately a-okay. There’s a toll, and consequences that will take time to work through. So many stories resurrect people with no sense of weight or cost.
So even though it’s an insanely dark story choice, I love the reveal about heaven.
Yep. Marti Noxon: 'Joss was really clear that resurrection could only come at a cost. That when Buffy comes back, it's not going to be easy. I think that was sort of a genius twist in that we'll assumed she had been in some sort of horrible place, and then we discover the reason the resurrection is so painful for her is because she wasn't. That was what made it such a great revelation and made Buffy's character a little more interesting'
@@ibgvox “..a little more interesting…” Ha, that is quite the understatement., Marti. What happens after Buffy’s return *still* ties my brain in knots sometimes and the subsequent course of events continues to be hotly debated within the Buffyverse to this day! A little more interesting my a**😂
Completely agree. This is why I love how GRRM handles resurrection in ASOIAF/GOT as well. You can do it but the person is not the same when they come back. They've lost pieces of themselves they can never recover.
James Marsters does some WORK in this episode. Every scene he's in he's doing some of the best acting I've ever seen. It's crazy.
For real.. every little expression and tone of voice is like super heavy.
He is soooo good!
YEA and almost EVERY line he delivers sounds like poetry..
SMG really sold the performance that she was shell-shocked from being in heaven instead of hell. She does it so well that when she finally tells Spike it 100% tracks with her behavior/sparse lines. Her saying ‘longer’ when Spike asked how long it was for her gives me chills
Its not just the fact that she was torn out of heaven. I think the way Buffy says "By my friends" also shows the depth of the fact that she has issues over the fact that she was buried alive (and who knows how many other issues over the years now hitting her to the point of full force depression) which has been a fear of hers since she's started being the slayer and the audience has known about since 1x10 _Nightmares._
I love how Buffy was supposed to end at S5 BUT when it continues, they make the “nightmare” episode come true…
@@lessismore8533 While I agree with the point of your comment reguarding the "nightmare," I have a small correction reguarding the rest: _The Gift_ was never the meant to be the series finale. Most Buffy seasons were written in a way where if the show got cancelled the seasons could be their last without any major hang up storylines. But in that episode's case, the distributing rights became UPN ownership and there has been confusion to this day due to Buffy dying in-universe about whether or not it was ever the series finale. Behind the scenes issues could have made it that way, but it was never intended to be by Joss's writing plans.
The way Spike looks at Buffy, with his little head tilt, is so sweet. And yeah, counting the days she has been gone…it shows how much he loves her.
Obsession can be a form of love I suppose.
@@troikas3353 Exactly. He is still a bastard.
well we know the lengths he will go to
Like a golden retreiver.
He reminds me of an Andrex puppy that does the head tilt thing when it’s confused.
Every spuffy scene is so wonderfully acted, especially the staircase scene. I love how its a perfect mirror to the scene between buffy and spike on the staircase in the finale of s5. This episode really is amazing
Yes I love Spuffy! And Spikes dialogue is literal poetry..
The gang needs Buffy to be okay, so they have zero chill. Spike is happy to just let Buffy be
That Buffy told Spike the truth, that shows just how much she trusts him, and how connected to him she feels. In fact it shows she feels more connected to Spike right now than to any of her friends. To her friends, she had to feign strength, that she had to protect their feelings over her own; but to Spike, she felt she could be vulnerable, that she could share her burden with.
And, finally, everyone who guessed so many wrong interpretations of “death is your gift” in season 5 know the truth.
.... holy crap... it never hit me that way til just now. Mind. Blown. ❤😂😅😊
Holy shit, I never made that connection of a second meaning to that. That makes her being brought back hit even harder.
I always saw it as both “It is a gift for you to save your sister” and “It is a gift for you to be at peace.”
Spike was a caretaker for Drusilla for so much time, so he became very skilled at that. Dawn was also trying her best, love her and Tara ❤❤
Time doesn't matter. That's about that they write him caring about people who he has feelings for. And it started much earlier than with Dru. He thought about his mother right after he became vampire, he cared about her. She could and would die soon, so he wanted to save her from disease, wanted her to live forever. The pursuit of love and care has always been there.
@@Junejane4nah you guys are both right. Time DOES matter. The more you do something, the better you get..
So many people forget Spike's "there are always consequences" after this episode, because those words will be clear only in the far, far future. But I liked how you asked the right questions. Buffy died, and resurrected: don't forget it.
So, for the "why would they assume Buffy was in a hell dimension?" It's because the last time somebody got sacrificed to close a hell-portal (Angel and Ecathla's portal in season 2) that's what happened. Glory was trying to open a portal to her home (presumably hell) dimension and they were worried that's what happened. It's notable that in Ep 1 they never talk in certainties, just "what if" and aren't willing to chance her being trapped.
I agree with Barnaby. They were in denial. Angel physically went through a portal, Buffy did not. She did not go through a portal, she just died. On Buffy and Angel every other dimension has been about going through physically.
Angel was totally different, I don't think he even died per se, he just was sucked in the portal and transported to the other "hell" dimension. Buffy just died, wasn't sucked into anywhere, her body was actually there the whole time. Her soul/essence/spirit was then sent to some afterlife plane, pretty christian-like heaven so I guess it works similarly. So why would a slayer, who's only ever fought the good fight unselfishly, go to hell after she dies? But yeah, I get the Scoobies don't know as much as we the audience, particularly about Angel. I guess it's only natural that they picture the worst-case scenario.
Because she's a killer
It's also justification for their own selfish needs to bring her back
That was different though Angel didn't die, he was physically sucked through. Buffy on the other hand left a body behind, she was dead, and if they were in doubt much lesser magic could have found out.
But as usual Willow had decided.
I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen this episode. And yet, I’m always amazed that I find new tidbits. Today in “it too me two decades to notice this”: “I knew you were under that dirt somewhere” probably lands quite differently for Buffy than Dawn intended. Well played, WriterPerson.
Oh. My. God. It's been 2 decades of watching and rewatching for me, too, and I never registered that until reading this comment! 😲
Wow. I thought I’d pretty much extracted all the hidden aspects & double meanings from this episode. This show just keeps hitting it out of the park.
Bless Anya for giving us some great comedy this episode. Meanwhile, that scene where Buffy appears at the foot of the bed in the dark--Sarah's voice is quite menacing. Very chilling, effective scene. Also, hats off to James for where Spike first sees her again, how many emotions he's able to portray without any words.
Honestly...I think the Scoobies convinced themselves Buffy was in hell because they wanted her back and her being in hell would make it okay for them to resurrect her. No one even brings up that she might be in hell until Xander starts questioning the plan in 6x01, which prompts Willow (who I think wanted Buffy back most of all and thus had already talked herself into the idea that Buffy was probably lost or miserable and therefore needed saving) to bring up the possibility, and now in this episode they're all so certain that's where she was. Because when you really desperately want something, but on some level you know it's wrong, you'll look for any justification to make it okay so you can feel good about it. And if someone (like Willow) hands you a justification, you grab onto it and don't let go.
Buffy walking past the angel statue in the cemetery… My favorite visual ever in the Buffyverse. And a great bit of foreshadowing.
Willow also never told the others that she needed to sacrifice a fawn, an innocent life, in order to do the spell. Also, did they ever actually try to contact Buffy's spirit? Doesn't seem like it even occurred to them.
That scene of Anya cutting her face is one of the scariest visuals in the show. It felt like it was straight out of The Evil Dead (1981)
Exactly. Evil Dead is what I think of every time I see that scene.
Jane Espenson: There was stuff in [After Life] that was completely changed, much of it was Joss. The moment I think is so amazing of Anya cutting herself and laughing, was something Joss pitched just off the top of his head. "What if this happened?"
@@dneill8493 It's not even subtle, it's exactly an ED scene
Which Evil Dead? The original? Which came first, the BtVS scene or ED?
@@stephaniebarker472 I was referencing the one that came out in 1981! I think the Anya scene was paying tribute to that movie.
That scene with "Buffy" throwing the glass has to be one of the scariest scenes in the show. SMG played it so good, her silhouette is epic. Still gives me the creeps years later
This episode is so good, really underrated. So many amazing moments. Especially Spike. James Masters is unbelievable here
Lots of people think when a person gets better billing in the credits it’s because the creators/producers are rewarding the actor. It is actually the result of negotiations between the studio and the actor’s representation.
That’s right. Alyson Hannigan was gaining more recognition due to the American Pie movie franchise and her people negotiated her new “and starring” credit. They also negotiated for a bigger storyline this season.
Not that she didn’t deserve it.
"This season is only going to cause me pain..." Oh, you sweet summer child.
I’ve never understood why the Scoobies act the way they do in this episode. Even if Buffy had just come back from a Hell dimension, the fact that Buffy seems a little “off” and not herself is totally justified. The fact that they think Buffy got torn out of a hell dimension where she was tortured for hundreds of years and they expect her to just bounce back to form after that is ridiculous to me.
im a grown man ffs, hows this show still make me tear up.
Buckle up, Alley... you're in for a bumpy ride.
If every spoiler was a speed bump, this comment section would be the bumpy ride
@@alicequinn505 hahaha so true! Fortunately she's way ahead in the series. Unfortunately, other people reading these comments might not be, and that's just occurring to me now... 😬
In a lot of ways, the sixth season is like the fourth season in terms of all the characters going through their own issues/journeys, the main difference between the two seasons, the characters knew this in the fourth season, in the sixth no one really noticed or cared because they were so caught up with their own lives.
I think the assumption was that the portal led to a hell dimension, so her soul was sent there when she passed through it.
But souls had nothing to do with the portal, blood was the operative ingredient not soul. And alos much lesser magic could have allowed them to talk to Buffy's spirit,
@@DaDungeSure, but as stated, her death was by mystical means (aka passing through the portal), not the sudden stop at the bottom. So it's not unreasonable to assume that while blood was what kept it open, her soul (and presumably the soul of anyone else who died by passing through it) would get sucked into it when she died as a result of passing through it.
I cry at the end of this episode everytime.
season 6 depressing? no~~~ no way
It's all about Boba Fett action figures and crayons.
I believe Buffy's journey is the most compelling in the Sixth Season, when one has a fundamental comprehension or what they think they have a fundamental comprehension of how life is supposed to work and that falls right from beneath one's feet, that is traumatic and unfortunately this occurs to a lot of Twenty Year Olds unfortunately.
My favourite season. This one goes so hard.
I knew right away, I was like there is no way the Slayer would go to hell, just because she died closing a portal to hell, it was the blood not the soul that did.
Also, with the lore of slayers, the show is only loosely a continuation of the movie, but in the movie they said most slayers don't last longer than a few years or age, and Buffy does. She is rare among Slayers. As most slayers potentials are identified sooner and trained from a young age and she wasn't... It's like she's better knowing what she is fighting for having lived among normal civies more than other slayers..... that and her friends. her scooby gang
After Life was a great episode where Buffy reveals to Spike that was pulled out of Heaven, (foreshadowing here when Buffy said before 'is this hell) We see Buffy again experiencing her depression, which from the death of Joyce onwards is always there. She says to Giles in S5 Finale The Gift, ' I don't want to live in a world like this if these are the choices, if everything keeps getting stripped away'. Spike also reveals in S5 episode Fool For Love 'every slayer has a death wish, even you'. Buffy is obviously not the same since coming back, she has been torn out of heaven, and does not know how to deal with life now. Of course she was right when she said to Dawn at end of The Gift ' the hardest thing in this world is to live in it' and she was right. Great acting from both SMG and James Marsters in this episode, we can see the Spuffy relationship growing. The Willow/Tara situation has been brewing for a while, with Willow taking risks with magic. This is very much the 'Willow' Season. This episode sets up a great Season arc.
and that's how Buffy once again took the weight of the world on her shoulders. to be honest, I don't think you'll know the future development of the series (lucky for you!), simply because from here on the changes happen more and faster (lucky for everyone us!).the show continues its development until the very finale.❤
The reasoning for thinking she was in a hell dimension is that she jumped into Glory’s portal which was explicitly to infinite hells.
This season is quite the ride.
"Is this going to be another depressing season?" (imagines Alley as Wiley Coyote who has just noticed the shadow of the boulder).
With regards to why worried she was in a hell dimension, it's because of how she died. Glory was opening a portal to her home hell dimension and Buffy jumped into it. Early in the season they mention that her death wasn't a natural death and that that changed things. So even if she was 'meant' to go to heaven, she may not have made it. They're never certain that she's in a hell dimension but they don't want to leave her there because she 'could' be in hell.
ok, just started and I'm dying laughing that you quoted the ridiculous Buffy Bot quote lol! love it! and love your reactions!
Excellent observation about Willow talking to Tara.
So first they make a touching meeting scene with gentle hands holding, the 'every night I saved you' confessions, him warning others about the consequences when they didn't think about it, her only telling him the truth, scenes with Dawn and after people liked it they are like 'oh, no, you are wrong! It should be bad. Let's wreck everything!'. And right after the kisses you see another story, it is changed. The impression you got after watching it is different. That's 2 different plots here, my dear friends.
Are you talking about something that happens after this episode or something?
@@alicequinn505 Yes. It starts when they are together. She saw these eps already.
Here the mood and impression are romantic. They make people love the story, give every reason for that, then suddenly they change the direction. That's 2 messages for people about what to expect. First they lure the audience with one context and story mood, then create another. Mixed signals.
Pain? You haven't seen anything yet. 🥺
Her friends pulled her out of heaven and put her into a coffin, essentially burying her alive.
Season 6 is my favourite.
Watching you take in the Bike scenes is a delight.
I love how Anya was just ready to give up her coffee. I could never…😅
*The part where Buffy walks into the house and sees the photo of Joyce. knowing that Buffy was probably just with her in Heaven*
You do realise that Buffy came first and so all these iconic lines came from Whedon and co? The 'Every night I save' you bit has (for example) been practically cut and pasted into several other shows.
I think she knows
@@alicequinn505 God only knows......lol
My fav part was glimpse of scary Willow during the spell. They're chanting then creepy music and SOLID! Goosebumps
Makes you wonder. How much did they know and when did they know it...
Yeah Dawn and Anya are everything in this episode. :D
Well that and Spike's expressions and actions in like every scene.
Willow thought Buffy might've been in a Hell Dimension because Angel ended up in one after being sent through a wormhole. Buffy dived into the light from the tower so they assumed her soul went to wherever Glory was from.
The consequences for the spell and Buffy returning has one hell of a consequence later on, the Hitchhiker Ghost is nothing compared to what is coming.
I have so many comments.... but, at this point in the season, they'd be spoilerly. So, I observe the strict code of silence... But, I definitely want to make observations. I look forward to every reaction... Your Humble Servant, Me.
I love how they handle Buffy resurrection. Yeah, she is back. But is that really a good thing? I also love the meta commentary that she was finished, over. Cause we did had a " WB series finale" at the time and season five works perfecrly as an actual series finale. But she is back, picked by another network even after she was "finished". And I always took the fact the open ends with Buffybot as another way of saying that Buffy story was over.
19:00 Because 5 minutes of of unbiased thinking reveals that to be the likelier scenario. Willow never gave it even that, she wanted to stop hurting thus never entertained a thought that would conflict with her doing what she wanted to do.
The sixth season is the Season where minimum wage and adulting is the over arching enemy. But it has THE episode. You'll know when we get there.
Spoilers?
@@alicequinn505 Thankfully she's now finished Buffy. Not cool for those who may be watching along, though
@Alice Quinn more of trigger warning these days.
@@matthewkreps3352 for minimum wage?
@@matthewkreps3352 for minimum wage and adulting?
There's not 1 specific demon. Many demons can travel between dimensions, and some can hitch a ride when someone else is travelling. It is not specific to bringing someone back to life.
Also, that's not what happened, the magic actually created a demon. Magic always has a price. Bringing a Slayer back to life, being balanced by creating a demon, seems balanced to me.
No the fact that they were on different networks did not result in competition because Buffy was on at 8 and an hour later people switched to UPN to watch Angel. No network competition, probably was more production issues and logistics than anything else
The way she describes how it feels to be back in the world kills me everytime. It's so accurate to me.......
My take on the demon isnt that it was specifically made for resurrection. But like willow kind of said its a transaction of give and take. Similar consquences happen for other kinds of spells.
There is a similar theory/belief system (whatever) that ive heard from a medium about how demonic energy being created from our energy rather than pre-existing. 🤷♀️
And in this episode we discover that Willow didn't just sacrifice a fawn, she has also killed Elmo.
"this season is only going to cause me pain." 😬
32:45 It recalls the illiad where king Priam kissed the hands (Achille's) that killed his son (Hector).
remember 3 years ago when you started watching Buffy and you were like "yeh idk what to expect but i know people love it and it gets taught in classes apparently" and now youre like almost done with the televised universe portion
Welcome! This is one of the best episode ever, I follow you by several years for this kinds of episodes
The line does run through Faith now, according to Joss, although it's still vague. There is speculation that another slayer won't be called unless Faith AND Buffy die, i.e. there won't be 2 slayers indefinitely moving forward. This is an anomaly and both slayers need to b out of the picture for the line to continue.
So the reasoning I came to of why the Scooby Gang assumed she was in hell and helped me understand what their thought process might have been was that after all this time they have fought supernatural beings and seen so much proof that “hell. is. real.” And it’s constantly coming after them. There has been absolutely ZERO proof that a heaven COULD exist. They have seen so much pain and death. They literally just lost their best friend to a GOD from a hell dimension. The only Angel they’ve ever seen was a demon. He had a soul but is a demon all the same. So was the jump to Buffy being in hell quick? Yes. But the logical leap of people automatically going to hell feels way shorter than the hope of a heaven.
There's so much going on with willow this season👀
Yeah, and a lot of it is obvious but one thing a lot of people miss is how Willow lied to Tara, saying she understood the words the Buffy apparition said, but not the meaning. She of course knew it was the slaughter of the deer.
See, this is why Dungeons & Dragons has the stipulation that in order to bring someone back to life, their soul must be free and willing to return. The person's memories of the afterlife also fade quickly, like how you forget a dream; Buffy doesn't even get that.
33:01 Could be going through the motions of life and finding it ain't like walking through a park.
> Why would they think she was in a hell dimension?
In The Gift (5x22) she threw herself into the portal to Glory's hell dimension.
That's a reasonable reason. I mean, yes, we see her body on the ground afterwards, but hey maybe the hell dimension grabbed her soul while she was in free-fall or something.
As always, aside from the excellent acting and directing, congrats to the writers and Joss/Marti because looking at the script every stage direction was so precise. Like 'He's just looking at her, lost in it. He pulls himself back.'
The only experience the Scooby Gang has with closing a portal like the one Glory opened was when Angel was sent to a hell dimension so their assumptions make sense. This show is not big on the Christian conception of a compassionate god. There are plenty of demons but no actual angels or anything like that.
What I find interesting about this episode is that it shows how much Dawn has grown because she was the only one, apart from maybe Spike, who seemed to sense the truth of what Buffy was going through and gave her the idea to lie her friends so she could get the space she needs right now.
From the moment Buffy premiered I was there. I watched every single episode first-run. All these years later I still get the biggest kick out of watching a newbie get caught up in the Buffyverse. Especially when it's a millennial who falls under the spell. I won't spoil anything for you, I'll just say make sure your shoes are on tight because the season WILL knock your socks off.
Be prepared as so much drama is coming down the line, and not all of it, actually not much of it fun. But this is the most meaningful philosophical season which questions the identities of the big characters.
It's very allegorical of depression, and questions the meaning of life. Buffy being ripped from Heaven-. Her only confidant is another demon who was previously her nnemosis. She acts soon in self destructive patterns that most of us do when we might be severely depressed or suicidal. Also that despite everything they know about the world full of magic and demons, the scoobies didn't believe in Heaven or have faith Buffy would be there. They became so codependent on her, and Willow primarily selfish to push her magic to darkness to resurrect her.
Buffys' previous life, full of abandonment, dying, loss, Angel/Angelus, her mother's death etc and the constant battle to survive. Glory and the threat to Dawn, cptsd essentially. She was then at peace for that sacrifice and at peace from trauma. Ripped back into reality is therefore a depressive hell. I find it interesting as Tara is not possessed by the hitchhiker Demon, because as this season shows, Tara is a the purest of heart. All of the other scoobies are corruptible.
Enjoy what's ahead but be prepared that some shocking but also some of the absolute best episodes are coming up as the new network allowed the storylines to be much darker and deeper. Partially it questions what and who is good, and bad. Makes us think deeply about our own place and beliefs.
The reveal of Buffy’s trauma and depression being bc she’d been resurrected out of Heaven instead of some assumed hellish dimension was such a great setup + subversion bc it plays on our-and the other characters’-living people pov that being alive is automatically better than being dead-bc the prospect of dying, esp too young, is a primal fear, mostly bc, whatever our spiritual beliefs (or lack thereof), we dk EXACTLY what comes after (if anything).
So the Scoobies-esp Willow, who was rationalizing her butt off both before and after the resurrection-assumed only the worst about where Buffy’s soul was, bc she died supernaturally, and that (aside from the asinine lack of thought to exhume her body first 🙄) ultimately they did a Good Thing, FOR Buffy, and she’d soon be happy to be alive, and back to her old self again-she was rescued from a scary netherworld, she was “back home”, she was with the people who love her…
Actually she was not only finally free of all the harrowing Slayer drama but was swathed in eternal, perfect, peaceful bliss until you ripped her out and brought her back…here, which might as well be Hell by comparison
If you hate it here now... 😔 Personal demons are always worse than the real ones 💯
Yep, nothing sad happens in this season.... Oh man are you in for it.
Yeah 2 slayers is an anomaly and I don't think Faith is gonna go so no more slayers, just powerful and loyal friends to help her out and keep her from dying (or staying that way)
They thought she was in hell because she jumped into a portal to a hell dimension. I'm guessing they thought her soul was trapped in there because it's where her body died.
Themselves 33:14 , that's the name of that tune , sister!
Not that you're actually my sister, but the old"hippy" expression.
i wish the ghost part of this episode was left out and we just used the extra time showing Spike staring at Buffy like that.
8:09 Or as they say in Storybrooke, a price.
24:47 Because Buffy died by jumping into the portal that Glory was going to use to get back to her hell world, So it'd make sense if she went to that hell.
Ahh ... you're getting closer to the reaction I've been waiting a long time for (since your reaction to episode 1). Sorry, but I've only followed you sporadically since your uploads became sporadic. But now .... now the Holy Grail of Buffy reactions is in sight!
Wait why did I receive this notification for this Buffy episode but didn’t receive the last one I was wondering why this didn’t say season 6 episode 1 going to come back to this I guess I have two videos to watch
I know you likely won't see this comment given the reaction was over a year ago. But from a writer perspective, I see the reason why Buffy felt comfortable enough to tell Spike that she was pulled, ripped out of Heaven in a different fashion then most. ...As Spike is a vampire, becoming a vampire meant that he would never be able to enter Heaven. Not to mention his long-running evilness. He would be the only person remotely capable of even grasping what it was that she lost because he too lost the chance to go to Heaven. He's at least at some point faced the reality of that. None of her friends even have the capacity to fathom this loss. While I think the scene could have been better written, that context choice in choosing to have her confess to Spike was phenomenal due to this.
I think it would have been to have a season of buffy fighting in glorys hell demention & the final episode you seem them bring her back
A season of "The Conventional Wisdom"/The Living End pt. 1 by Stanley Elkin? Very tough to do unless you get Elkin to write it.
OK, that IS a better quote than the marzipan one.
Don't know what it scarier Buffy's face being blacked out when she's possessed or that she comes at Willow and Tara like an angry parent and calls them Bitches.
The fact that we learned that one of Buffy's worst nightmares is being buried alive back in s1 and now shes actually had to live that out ☹️☹️☹️
That may be the inverse, she has had nightmares of being buried alive as a result of having prophetic dreams that one day she would be.
@@DaDunge Yeesh. As an aside, (SPOILERS FOR SERIES) I loved the Slayer dreams and wish that had shown up more in the later seasons. Feels like they kinda forgot it entirely season 5-7. And it's only really in s4 in Restless. Where they are all dreaming but you could head canon that Buffy was able to resist and fight the First Slayer because of that slayer dream "power". Also, in s7 they could have maybe had the Potentials start having dreams. Or have those pre-credit scenes of potentials being hunted down continue throughout the season, before Giles brings them, then cut to Buffy waking up cos she's been seeing it happen in her dreams, then double cut to Faith waking up too and that's how you bring Faith into the season. Could have been cool.
It's nice Buffy came back with presents!
magic...has consequences, as spike said...dark magic has even more severe consequences...bringing back the dead...touching the other side...that is VERY dangerous...did willow really think she could do that without consequences.
Willow absolutely knew Buffy had been told that death was her gift.
Alley, watch the “thanking” scene again. Watch the way Gellar plays it.
Listen to her tone and note her energy/vibe when she says specific words. She’s not thanking Willow.
And the word you’re looking for regarding Willow is egomania. The arrogance is a cover up though. She most definitely does not think she’s as great as she’s showing herself to be. This is her way of coping with insecurities. To basically just fake it.
William was a very gentle and delicate soul with a heightened sense of intuition. He was an empath. That type of natural power stays in the fiber of your being.
Therefore, his demon perfected the power and crafted it in a way where he reads people and situations and knows how to manipulate the situation.
But the echoes of William that's engrained in his brain come around when someone he likes is in emotional crisis.
He said it to Dawn in season 5, that he hates seeing Summers women suffer. He had a great bond with Joyce too.
Spike is everything! He's the adult voice of reason so that's why they cut him out of their plans.
You noticed right away that Willow is acting entitled and cocky.
I saw the beginnings of change when she killed the doe, and then omitted that fact when the gang questioned her about the spell.
If I'm not mistaken, Buffy only spoke 3 words when she came back, and that was to Dawn.
She fully conversated with Spike. He used their shared experience to relate to her and get her to relax enough to speak up.
...so much that she trusted him to keep her secret.
Season 6 is my favorite and season 5 is second. The others follow after with one being the bottom season for me.
25:07 She went thru Glory's portal and they figured that the place Buffy's soul was to a hell, though her body remained behind.
I think it makes sense that they thought she was in hell - she literally dived into a portal that led straight into a hell dimension.
The show doesn't act as though human religion is real as such. Yes, religious symbols are an issue for vampires, but it's not suggested that this is because god as a creator of the universe exists. Similarly, as far as we can tell from various discussions in Buffy and AtS, "heaven" means an individual heavenly dimension amongst the many, many dimensions that exist. So it's not "heaven" and "hell" as the two options after death, it's "a hell dimension" and "a heavenly dimension" out of all the different options that exist.
Having said all of that, I definitely also believe that their personal desires to have Buffy back, and Willow's personal need to feel like a saviour played massively into their decision here.
All well said. It's worth remembering that Whedon is an admitted atheist. So that's bound to make the supernatural working quite different from traditional religious teachings. There doesn't seem to be any one force for creating or opposition.
This isn't a world that started as a paradise before the fall. It's one were demons stalked the earth before humans. The First Evil is the closeting thing to a demonic a singular demonic entity that predates the rest, but even they have competition from other forces like the Senior Partners. The only official God the Scoobies have meet ruled a hell dimension. It's not clear if any of them are even aware of the Powers that Be and even they've often made decisions that are harmful to those who serve them. Godly and satanic figures both come off like jerks.
The last point is more crucial to this seasons overall story arch.