LOW$-JUNKYARD 351W-BETTER THAN 5.0L?
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- FULL BOOSTED RESULTS-LOW $, JUNKYARD 351W FORD, CARB & EFI. We started out with a 1992 junkyard 5.8L EFI motor, added simple carb induction then dyno, then add Edelbrock Top End package, then switch back to RPM II EFI intake, then added 10 psi boost from a Vortech V3 supercharger. Can the junkyard 351 withstand this abuse, and why is this a better idea than running it on a 5.0L 302?
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Rich Holdener is WAY underappreciated in my opinion. He does all of the grunt work and posts 100% true unbiased dyno results. This saves us hot rodders who want to build a certain engine to a certain power level from making mistakes in the parts combination or getting stuck with parts you can't return because you purchased the incorrect one for your power goals. And Richard does all of this FOR FREE!! You can't beat that with a stick. THANK YOU RICH!!
Absolutely.100 percent..theres nobody better..the 460 vids wete dead on..rich is the faking balls.
i'll compare him to the late Roger Huntington, since they both were in magazines doing tech articles with the science of their time to prove the results.
The people have spoken, we want a big bang 351w. :)
show me the people!
@@richardholdener1727 I'm a people
@@richardholdener1727 same here
@@richardholdener1727 I'd like to see the limit .lol
im in..
5:45 am. Coffee. Watching Richard dyno boosted junk. Perfect.
Effin A man
Can I get a hell yea? HELL YEA!
About to do the same
lmao 5:46 am rn
Those gains with Top end package made me wanna a find a f150 with a 5.8L already in it. Then I saw the price of that package is over $4100
Yes...I'm a 351w fan! Impressed by Edelbrock package. Like to see Blue oval stuff on your channel. Keep em' coming!!
I have a stock 351 w and im doing the same. Buying that Edelbrock cam heads intake carb package and make it sound like a hellhound. :)
Amem to that blue brother..im fascinated by the ton of room in the engine bay .iv got a 460 stuffed in my 93 notch and cant fit a sheet of paper between the c6 and the fire wall..i took minute for me nd my son to drop it in woth no real massaging but changing anything is quite something..lol .my next build is definitely gonna be a smaler package maybe a wild 2.3 or something in a ranger or a small car .goodluck brother .true blue
@Michael McDermott Performance parts for a 2.3 are silly expensive. I'm pulling the turbo 2.3 out of my 88 notch and swapping in a 351W
@@slowstang88 ,no kidding..thats kool youll like more .i went with 460 dual carb tunnel srt up and brother theres no room at all .cant fit sheet paper between firewall and tranny..i gotta guy that builds and he wants to do a 390 built snd said it would be alot faster . not sure but i like the old school look iand its nasty and sounds great. .ill probably just refresh and couple things port heads and stuff..93 notch.aka Frankenstein.hope this summer good luck on your build bro
@@mustangandfrankenstein Good luck to you as well. I'm probably stroking mine to 393. I'm using a 4bbl throttle body injection system and have a digital dash so I don't have to worry about gauges and I can tune the injection from the dash
Richard's channel is my corona antidote.
StangOh'Niner Richard is our Joe Exotic
Viruses don’t have antidotes.
Swear bro.
Really enjoyed this video, thanks!
Easy to forget how much potential the 351W has.
And this combo is with stock cast pistons.
The 351W is a scary monster once it’s breathing.
Finally some Windsor Love!!!
I'm swapping one into my f150 (currently 5.0), 4wd, lifted, big tires, and maroon paint. It was great seeing this where I can see what it can do n/a and when I boost it like my Camaro
Doing this to a 73 Mach 1
Man, I am blown away that the top end package added 200 HP!! What I would have given to have had that back in the day.
It has 5,969" connecting rods, 3/8" rod bolts and 1/2" head bolts! Bolts right up where the 302 does! The block is strong enough to shoot 150 pass after pass. We shot 150 on Speed Pro cast pistons, just backed the timing back 6 degrees! Cheap, dependable fun!
E7s were that bad and the stock cams were that poor. Not saying they can't be made to work but man it's easy now for something like that.
@@thetriode those were designed for low RPM torque--a good tuner can get a stock 5.0 into the mid 13's, which was a respectable place to be back then. now we ask for far more.
Glad you are showing us Ford guys some love. Love the videos. Keep up the hard work.
These videos are gold. I think that a lot of people can save a lot of money on their engine builds as well as having realistic expectations of their builds by watching the corresponding videos to the engine they want to build. Well done
Just what I was waiting for. Love all the blue oval content you can give us. Faithful watcher of all the daily videos. I second or third the big bang 351w.
Keep the Ford content coming sir! I'd like to see how the Victor 5.8 manifold stacks up.
Yes, always a Ford guy myself and love seeing different engine combos making power! N/A is what I’ve always done but tempted to go turbo someday
Another great episode. So much information in just a short time.Thanks Richard
These videos are dangerous. Now I want to build a ford as well and I’m a Chevy guy lol. Great videos!
Angelo Vasilikos 👍 I came out of my Chevy shell years ago. I still love them, but loving on other brands really broadens your horizons and allows you more opportunity to enjoy other cool cars. I can make any of the GM, Ford, and mopars run good.
@@mistered9435 In other words, ya can make that horse talk...
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LOL...wink wink
Angelo Vasilikos Same here lol.
Same. I've got a ZL1 camaro in the driveway but I just found myself looking for a Fox hatchback 5-spd to drop a boosted 351w into, lol.
Man right to the point. And no B.S. Really wish more people would go your route. So nice when short on time. Thanks
Loving the videos mate keep them up, I'm building a 408 stroker Cleveland engine here in chch nz for my falcon that's also getting a turbo so you've been ever so helpful.
I had a stock 351w in my bronco. Went to 408 with isky cam , stock heads touched up, wien stealth intake and edelbrock 600 carb. Wawawewa what a difference
Heck yeah Richard 43k subs, it’s going up fast!!! I subbed a little while ago and binged every vid. I love every vid and truly appreciate your work and keep it going buddy!
thnx-I love to dyno
Content like this, it should be 43,000,000.
Back in the Day, 1980's I liked to build 351 Windsor Street Boss with 2V Cleveland heads and boy did it make sick power with the canted valves and free flowing exhaust ports :)
The windsor 351 is so underrated. Late ones like 93+ have roller capability too. I think I did a complete 351w swap in a fox for $2500. Kept mass air EFI a9l setup, fatter injectors, heads, cam and pro products typhoon intake. Made 415 WHP through a WC t5.
i see videos where folks swap the OHC in their Fox for a 302, and wonder why...might as well step it up and buy a 5.0 Mustang if that's what you want, it will be worth more later than a swap 302.
At first I wasn't a fan of richard not using film from the actual dyno runs. But the more I watch. The more I appreciate this format. Full of good content. All business. No fat.
Got damn, I'm 18 with my windsor set up damn near the same with edelbrock heads, the edelbrock dual plane air gap, and 750 holley. You're making the full vortech kit in my old man's garage sound extremely tempting.
Dude you are amazing!! thank you for the video on the 351w
I bought a Bronco last year and getting ready to buy a JY 351w to rebuild and spice up....was only expecting to get up to 300 hp with some spicing but this edelbrock package has me intrigued. Thanks for your hard work
Glad I found your page! You're super informative and your videos are definitely more interesting than powernation and enginemasters
That heads cam and intake really took that engine from zero to hero
Primarily the cam. Those truck cams are complete dogs, but since they were intended for pulling it makes sense.
@@Dirtilike1 yeah but aren't you severely limited on valve opening before bottoming out with unmodified factory heads.
@@compted10 You can run an e303 cam without issue. That is probably plenty.
These are definitely better than the 5.0, and fit most early mustangs without issue. Kickass video, thanks.
That’s amazing how much just cylinder heads and a cam can do to these ol motors
Haha this man inspired me with his twin turbo 5.8 build years ago and now he does a nice dyno vid on it again. Love it
Great video for me as I'm tossing up whether to go Cleveland or Windsor 351 for an upcoming engine conversion. From what I've read - and watched on youtube - the Windsor seems to offer more bang for the buck. And it's more compact dimensions are another big plus. If you've made a video comparing the two I'd love to see it.
Just subscribed...thanks Richard.
Sweet! Overhauled a 351w. And used as inboard. It performed awesomely. Back in the 80s. 👍
Wow, I just commented on the last video about this exact video. And here is the video after I refreshed my page! Love it! lol
So cool to see these fords getting some love
Thank you for explaining your dyno process.
Love your channel! Always very interesting!
Love these videos, especially since im trying decide whether to build a ford motor or an LS. No shortness of information.
Another great Ford SB video. Thank you.
This is relevant to my interests!! Just put an E150 5.8 (flat tappet sadly) in my 57 Fairlane. Fitted with a vintage Offy intake and a 600cfm Holley. Been looking into what to do next - now I have my answer! Good to hear the dished pistons clear valves on the heads.
Thanks for the video!!
I got a 87 bronco 351w I believe and dropped into my 67 ltd
What amazes me about this engine test is that you installed substantially larger heads and cam and torque between 2500 and 3000 didn't decrease but went UP 30 lb/ft!! This looks to be one of those rare "have your cake and eat it too" engine building successes!
not unusual when compared to stock heads
@@richardholdener1727 I'll be going victor jr top end on my 73 351w. Probably do stock bottom end for now. Or I'm I better getting the newer 351w. Mines a stock rebuild with about 15k miles in my 69 mustang. Or should I just go stroker off top with my current 351
Awesome video! I'm thinking about a 351 swap at some point. I learned about the Edelbrock package here, that is worth the price of admission!
I love this he shows some good ideas for engines
What amazes me is how similar the Junkyard 351W's power and torque lays over your test with the Non PI 2v. Both made right at about 260fwhp at close to the same peak rpm, and even torque was similar only being about 15-20ft/lbs more in favor of the 351w.
I got a 88 351W from my friends father. It came out of a tug (airport vehicle) where we worked. It was tired, had a tough life. I'd built a few mild 302's in my day. But my uncle talked me into the extra cubic inches. The swap to get it into my foxbody wasn't even difficult. Motor mounts, headers, etc. Went 30 over, 195 CC Trick flow heads, fresh rebuild. Stock rotating assembly with forged pistons. Lunati hydraulic flat tappet cam, forget what grind and lift. But it was very very streetable. Made power about 1500-6500. I'll never build another 302. 351W Is very much underrated. And the 94 Plus 351w was the hydraulic roller setup, too like he mentioned.
Also added a 100 wet shot plate kit. It was just a street car. Never could get traction. But it was awesome at roll racing. If i was a little older at that time, and made more money i would have finished it.
Richard, you are the best. Thank you.
My 2 dream videos are a rotatory and/or 4.9 Ford big six being boosted to the moon!
One day I hope to add boost to the 351w in my Falcon. Great video as always🍻
yessir, thank you for your time sir this is what i’m doin 351w .40 over JE flat tops with eyelashes eagle i beam rods Edelbrock top in kit and ten LBS of boost via super charger EFI tho easier to tune that way all neatly stashed away in a 95 step side 4x4 ford truck she’s not for the mud strictly the street the four wheel drive is just for fun
I like EFI for certain applications, especially boost. With that being said I'll always love carburetors for N/A builds and nitrous applications.
Please do more 351w stuff I’ve watched this video like 10times through since it was posted🤣 there’s not enough small block Ford videos on the internet
Love it too! I have seen foxbody mustangs with bored out 351 Windsor and a Procharger make 1000rwhp & that was with boost set about midway
@@markprice2225 I’m building a 84.5 gt350 foxbody right now 351w aluminum heads/tr3650 5speed zex wet kit etc it’ll be fun. I went all out on weight savings too all tubular front end parts, aluminum drive shaft/fly wheel and more. It should be pretty fun
I’d love to see a 351w based motor like this with a solid set of intake swaps. Specifically hi-ram vs rpm air gap vs victor jr in carb form and efi deluge as well... Hi-ram vs edelbrock vs tfs with both box top and long runner top.
My first and second cars both got the same 351w. I did a lot of reading back in the day to pick stuff that would work. It turns out that I was reading a lot of stuff written by frieberger and dulcich.
The second car was an 81 tbird (early fox body.) That car was great, despite the wear and cancer.
Most of the performance stuff eventually was dropped onto a junkyard 302 that still had the factory cross hatch.
Glad to see some sbf stuff keep it up!!
It's been about 15 years since I've had a 351W but one thing I do remember is nothing woke it up like a dual plane cam. Even with heavy reworked heads getting the exhaust out of it was always the key.
Thank you!!! You have helped me make a decision on the intake manifold dilema. Now I’m not taking anything away from the eldebrock intake manifold but I always wonder if the GT40 intake manifold were better but thank you anyways in doing a 351W
I love this series!!!
love the video just what I thought it would do but been wanting to know thanks
Love your 351w videos 💪
Ive often wondered why the crankcase pressure is never checked, especially on boosted engines. That would certainly give an indication of ring seal. 🔔👍
I'm a fan of your work and really appreciate the effort you take to put out this content, WOW!!! That said, I'd love to see a low buck type of build on a fox 302. Stock pistons turned around, optimize quench with gasket thickness, windage tray, etc. Would really love to see what you could do with some gt40's on a setup like that. E7 to gt40 to ported gt40 :-) I know everyone says don't waste your time on those, but fact is a lot of people dont have the budget so they start out with some junkyard heads. Then later want a little more....ie porting ;-) Thank you.
Thanks i love to see what can be done on a budget build with off the shelf parts
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This video and your ones on making 2-3-4-500hp with a sbf inspired me to get a 351w for my 83 fox body. Supposedly a "good running engine". Bought off marketplace and buddy dropped it off. Very rusty engine..ok..came out of a fish plant truck..ok..
Next morning went out to a puddle of tar under it, the pan was rusted through. Drained the pan and it was tar, not oil, tar! Pull valvecovers and the sludge is to the top of the valve Springs! The oil filter was rusty, last oil change? Who knows. Broke 4exh bolts pulling manifolds. Broke a bell housing bolt pulling tranny off! Broke all four corner bolts pulling intake!
Pulled a couple mains and rods...bearings are worn but crank is good, yay!! Can't pull water pump or timing cover off as bolts are twisting.(I can feel them)
So, this was going to be a "stock 351 with 4bbl and long tubes" as an "in between" motor going from blown up 302 to 460. This would get me back on the track bracket racing next year. Yeah, well...this ain't turning out like a California wrecking yard engine.... You still inspired me though so can't see not doing it, but damn, talk about hard road for 250hp! Even if I stick on the gt40p heads I got, still only give me 270 or 280hp.
Keep the Ford videos coming Richard, how about a stock 460 then just headers and 750? Small cam then intake, piece at a time?
I love the little Henry stuff
Beat quarantine videos brotha!👍🇺🇲🦅🏁
I have a 351w with a solid roller cam... 615 lift. Aluminum heads with 1.60. 2.02 valves flat top pistons. And a 780 pro systems carb. It’s a beast!
Did the same set up a few many years ago . Right out of a jusk yard . We used the f cam , twisted wedge head and ported truck lower intake , bread box upper with a 75 TB and 80 C&L . We were at 453 hp
End up with a 250 shot for a little extra fun .
Still running today . Never opened it up but it'sgetting tired .lol.
Yep big fan of the 351w and swapped one into my mustang II out of a 69 mustang way before hotrod made it popular.......still have it but newer windsor now. I didnt have all the go fast parts like today, so had to accomplish that with good factory parts and cubic inches. Keep up the good work. 👍😁👍
Love the videos. Wish you would show some of the tuning you do along the way..
Factory testing = J1349. I appreciate your clarifications. And, BTW, excellent video!
5.8 blocks can hold a couple hundred more ftlbs without splitting the block, that to me is worth it even if it didn’t make more power.
Edit: Well shit Richard basically said the same thing lol
Love this channel but I'd love to see you wrenching on the engine and also see the dyno pulls.
Awesome stuff , I’ve got a 351 C with 750 Holley in my ‘79 F-100 Ranger XLT ...yes I will definitely go with edelbrock , I was going to E.F.i it but wow this video changed my mind , thank you , I would like to see a video with a 351 Cleveland, this engine is legendary in Australia 🇦🇺 the tooling got send to Australia back in late 60’s we love it .
This 351 did really good with the Edelbrock top end kit. I hear that a 350 sbc will make phenomenal power and torque with an Edelbrock E-170 top end kit.
Loving the variety. I'm gonna keep requesting some mopar content though. Preferably pre g3 hemi! 😆
Brian Frost Like 400/440 BB with cheap Chinese heads (440 source or pro comp?) and a VS turbo!!!!! Of course Cam, springs, and gap.
Richard did some interesting tests on a 5.7 hemi a while ago. Check it out.
Wouldn’t mind seeing some 318/360 magnum stuff
@@edberry78 yes he did, really keen to see some pre gen 3 hemi stuff though coz it's only a fraction the price of hemi stuff.
@@MegaMustangkiller same, there's a great amount of content her for sbf and sbc guys. No love yet for the sbm though which is a pity coz it's a brilliant motor. And wrecking yards are full of magnums.
The 351w is like a 302/5.0 on steroids. Bigger head bolts, rod bolts and main bolts. Beefier mains to hold that crank at 8000rpm. I built mine 24 yrs ago pushing 400 plus hp. I drive my hot rod mustang every other day and at least once every other weekend pull the quarter mile RPM's to 8000. The Crank is stock and balanced.
Awesome video featuring a awesome motor that a lot of people overlook. Keep up the great work.
Great video .I have a 88 gt and would love an engine like this but just the carb setup .
Years ago I replaced an LG4 with an LM1, no other changes. It was worth it just for the low-rpm torque improvement.
I loved this video, I just picked up a 95 5.8 ford out of an f-250 a couple of months ago for just $50. I would love to see a test session aimed at peak torque for the 351w
Damn wish i could get a 351 for $50
Qwalay hey man you can find those mid 90’s ford trucks for cheap in rust belt areas because of rusting frames...for 300-700 bucks, you can sell the running gear and make more money on it than you paid for while being able to keep the engine for yourself...same thing goes for gm trucks and cargo vans with vortec 350’s and the 4.8,5.3.6.0 LS motors...300-1000 bucks...if you get lucky and find an s10 with the rare 8.5 rear end with the lsd option you can literally sell that for anywhere around 900-1500 bucks depending on how nice and shiny you can make it
That is a good price, I live in the rust belt and paid $100 for a roller block and EFI intake with wiring--I'd be tossing the rest anyway. But I have a pair of $50 Chevy 4 bolt blocks I picked up just before the pandemic..and yesterday from an estate sale :) The deals are out there, but you have to hunt, and I'm limited to what I can toss into the trunk of a Ford Escort since I no longer have a pickup :( so many olds 455/pontiac 400's I've had to let pass by for only a few hundred b/c they weren't dissassembled.
@@albertgaspar627 man, if I had room for a bunch of 455's, I'd have room to store a trailer. Even an Escort can pull a drag week style trailer...
True :) I live in a humid area, so my dry space has run out. Mustangs Unlimited went out of business where I live, I just grabbed about 8 soda boxes full of free magazines they had lying around. I keep telling myself, take the money I'm using to grab cheap parts and save it up to spend on the cars lying around, but you know how it goes...its hard to pass up deals :) My problem is I begin losing track of what I do have, when I see a deal on something, and I end up with two. Its long past time to get organized.
The stuff is out there to get, its just all over the place and needs to be hunted down. Half the fun of the deal is finding it. Tho with this pandemic, the swap meets and flea markets are taking a break. I once picked up a chrome dress up kit (valve covers, timing cover, alternator) for a Chevy small block for $10 at a tag sale. But the other 10 tag sales I stopped to check out were busts. Still, how long does it take to walk a tag sale? Another time I got a Victor Jr intake for same price, arrived at my destination 5 minutes late as a result.
Its worth it to me. It may not be to others.
N I C E . 👌🏻😎👍🏻
Thanks for the entertainment ! 😊
You should do a supercharger and turbo battle for the 351 💪🏾 I'm going to install a 351 in my fox and that would be interesting to know which one to go with on a efi set up
Dude is sick.i love this guy.
Yes I'm a 351 fan 67 mustang 30 over, that's a good combination!
I love the 351w also!
I would like to see you do the same thing with the 5.2 or 5.9 dodge magnums. Lots of them around and still popular!
Yes! Great timing Richard, just picked up a 351 in the JY here for a back-up build for when the 302 goes ⏱💣 Those HP & TQ numbers in a fox would be no joke in the street or track, Thanks for the knowledge! 👊
Awesome video thank you 🙏
351w love, yes!!!!
You deserve so many more subs
There is a few large construction companies here where I live and they always used F250 and 350s. Even when they were able to get a 460, it was 351 in the trucks. But all of the E250-350s had 300 sixes. They typically had about fifty trucks and 25 vans. They would wear out bodies and frames before they killed the engine.
Time to take that next step. Budget rebuild with stock rods, crank, etc and flat tops let's just see what you can do. What are the reasonable limits of a low buck build? Put the gap in and a blower cam to start, then twist away. Good article!!
hell yes easiest sub of the day, hello from England.
Love love love the channel .i could and do listfn to you talk about 460 s and fox mistangs all freaking night ..lol.. please please please.take my blown up and make it into that 700 or more hp one you had on the show the other night...if your vlose to dirty Myrtle..ill haul it to ya with cash in the trunk brother..93 notch mustang notch..also i love how you explain everything in terms that even a person with brain damage can understand it really helps .and im that person ..so thank you for that ..and i really do need a liw budget hp builder .rhanks brother
This man is definitely one of the best of the best!! I love his videos and they are always full of details and such!! I love it!!
Kick ass content!!👍
I have two vehicles with a 351 Windsor in them. A 2003 E150 with 350000 miles on it and a 73 Mustang. I am a believer. Best engine ever.
I've never seen a split 5.0 block, maybe you should split one for a video. Boost til she lets go.
Tony Baldwin BREW2L has a split 302 that he’s taking apart now, i hadn’t seen one either till then 😳 200 shot did that one in.
I broke crankshaft but never split a block.Now was the block flexing or did the cranks just give up I'm not sure
Then you have never seen one make much power.
I split one a 600 wheel. The only part not split was that think piece of metal at the rear of the lower intake.
I split one with 500ish hp and constant 7500 rpm shifts. Broke down the lifter valley to the mains.
The 351W was a bolt in where the 302W was in my Galaxie 500. Alot more torkie motor even in stock form!
Not a Ford guy but I certainly appreciate big power from these platforms. And too do it on a junkyard motor at that.
I'm literally in the process of buying a 96 250 with this motor. well now I know what I'm going to do when I finally have any kind of issue in the motor
$15,000-$20,000 + for the last level with nothing done to the short block