@@GolfTestDummy Well, I'd be all for you feeling cooler but without personal knowledge of anything, Mr. Maxfield seems to think that AC will interfere with a radar based LM such as the R10. Anyway, I totally understand since my garage is pretty much a sauna right now. As luck had it, the one time I visited my sister in NC I played the Charlotte Country Club on a day of 104 degrees F and 115 humidex and not a breath of wind for most of it. We played in a cart at 11:00 and my nephew's girlfriend who was a track athlete at MIT had to quit after 9 holes because she got so overheated and had heat stroke. I sweat my shirt through so badly that I just threw it away after the round because it stained so badly. Suffice it to say that I know that it can get stinking hot down there. Cheers.
Haha, sounds familiar. Yeah, any fan or breeze can throw off the R10, but it would be behind the side wall of the enclosure bay, so it should be all good. I can't take another one of these Summers in there.
And it’s not like you had a terrible golf swing, the high level instruction it’s taking for you to make that progress, illustrates why so many golfers try all the different methods available on TH-cam that you’ve experimented with. Can’t wait till you can get on the course with this
I’m going into my 6th week at GolfTec and we’re still working on me getting my but down and trying to trail hip over the ball. It not easy go from an upper body dominant swing to a lower body dominant swing. At time I feel I’m too old at 63 to learn a swing like this, but I keep trying. You’re looking good.
I had a similar experience at Golftec. 50 plus years playing golf and to see some truly awful positions in my swing were eye opening. I have had many lessons over the years and was taught things that hurt my back and at times physically impossible for me to do. I am on track to playing well. I have added 20-30 yards with my driver and 10-15 yards with my irons. Well worth money invested.
Let me say from the start. I get it.... Your channel name/title is spot on. Bravery is subjective and varied depending on situations. That said, being able to deconstruct your swing is brave. Doing it for everyone to view is another level. Regardless of your results, the journey is interesting and appreciated. I have thought of a concept for a video that dives into the mental aspect. Why "we" weekend/part-time golfers stay stagnant in growth. Inability to embarrass or allow for uncomfortable situations in "our" swing is paramount. My approach is to build around tendencies and use a few factors. 1.Alignment 2. Proper Balance/Weight Transfer 3.Square club. 4.Weight Transfer 5. Follow Through. Your videos are great. Enjoy your journey!
I appreciate the kind words and insight, thank you. It is a bit weird to put everything out for anybody to see, but then again, I've never been scared of talking to people, and I'll walk right up to any person I see and strike up a conversation, haha.
Having the right person guide you and being able to see it on video are enormous advantages. Exaggerated drills are the best when making changes to any movement. Enjoying your journey. Keep at it. Cheers
You said some key things in this video that some don’t think about. That is we have FT jobs, kids and other family related responsibilities going on while we’re trying to get better. You talked about being tired and sore. I’m 60 years old now and I totally agree with you. Why do we put ourselves through this mess just to get better at this crazy game?!? It’s called passion and being competitive. I feel it keeps us young as well. Keep grinding you’re doing great. IMO set some goals for yourself like tournament play in the future. You got this man. Stay positive!
Thanks, Norman! Yeah, I can't just float through on something I care about. If people want a leisurely, care free time outdoors, there are many other things that are cheaper, easier, and more effortless. Take up Frisbee, haha.
Things are still looking way better but the comments I have are very similar to last week. The only reason that you need to push the club through like that and lead with the handle so much is because the clubhead is still moving too inside and too low in the early stages and then the clubhead can't catch up with the hands as they start to move around the body on the lead side, because they are too far behind. If you're using something like the Kawaswing, Ballard's figure 8 drill or many other drills or methods, you won't have to fight to keep the handle ahead into impact so much because the clubhead will be in a better position to relate properly with the downswing hand path. Other than that, things are looking so much better. This video by Cogorno "The EASIEST And FASTEST Way To Shallow The Golf Club" for example is very good example of what you should be looking for in your takeaway motion while keeping the other changes that you've made. So instead of pushing the clubhead back ahead of your hands in the early backswing, you should keep it a little more level with your hands and have it go somewhat higher and wider on the way up which give room for it fall behind the hands (hand path) coming down. An easy way to think of this is just keeping the club more in line with your lead arm in the early swing and have your wrist motion be almost entirely just cocking upwards which keeps the clubhead higher and wider going back. Cheers.
Cocking the wrists early was my first lesson, and I think I may have lost sight of that as time has passed, and I need to get back to feeling that, so thanks for reminding me. That may help. Thanks for the kudos, too. This whole process has been tough so far, but I think it's going to pay off in the end. Just gotta keep grinding.
@@GolfTestDummy Well, with as big as that change looks on video you must feel as though you are playing golf on the moon or something like that. I'm not a big follower of the chronology of swing changes and their evolution per se (although obviously I've seen many) but yours seems, from my memory, to be one of the biggest changes that I've seen in such a short period. Obviously it's far from ingrained or course ready yet (and must still feel very strange) but nonetheless you can pull off a swing and hit a ball with it and that's nothing to sneeze at especially with such a previously long term pattern to overcome. Thus, you've proved your aptitude as a student quite convincingly, so nice going man. Cheers.
I've held off having Golf tech look at my swing, but if I was younger and had a good back I'd probably try it, but at this stage (62) full right shoulder replacement and back surgery I'm just glad to still be able to hit. Way to go Chad, at least I can learn through you....how come I can't hit a 5 iron? 6-wedges hardly an issue but the 3,4,5 no ideas
Only way I come close in downswing is to keep trail elbow glued to trail side until after impact and basically make the lead side of the body bring the trail arm through
1 question. How much did your club head speed improve thru these lessons? I have taken some lessons from a teaching pro using Trackman but am also interested in giving GolfTec a looksee. Problem is I am 66 soon to be 67 and feel like I probably don't have that many years left on earth. As it stands I shoot in the low to mid 80's playing from the Sr tees and am not a long ball driver with my average tee shot right at 200 yards. My Ghin hdcp is just under 14. I have been told that is a decent score for someone like me and even though I would like to be able to drive the ball another 20-30 yards off the tee box on average, at the same time I can't help but wonder if I should just be satisfied with the current status of my game and go out to play without worry about trying to get much better than I am now. As one person told me.....since I don't plan to start playing in tourneys then why bother? True but at the same time.....I just can't give up on the idea of trying to improve my game at least a little bit.
@@GolfTestDummy So, I’ve seen this particular model before (AMG, I believe) and I’ve had limited success with it (limited lower body during backswing - or somewhat static, then aggressive firing of lower body going forward - dynamic). For some reason, it’s really resonating this time. All scores in the 70’s since I’ve used this model (+1 yesterday on punched greens). It also seems that it’s much easier to stay in posture on the “backswing” as well (backswing in quotes because it doesn’t feel like a swing at all - more of a club placement, or back stretch?). I used to see Faldo use the ball between the knees to limit the lower body on the backswing. Finally, perhaps Shawn Clement’s recent video about staying behind the pole would be a simple visual to engage the lower body properly without thinking about left knee working back, left heel pressure, etc.?
I’m not sure I buy the “old fashion” vs “modern” swing … seems to be there’s more in common with Hogan, Palmer (etc) and the modern players than differences. I have a heavy baseball background (played D1), and Ted Williams and Barry Bonds have more in common than differences too.
Love your channel and please don’t take this the wrong way but Good luck with all the positions, it won’t work for the long haul and you’ll eventually get hurt and also on uneven lies your going to have a tough time. Old school Shaun Clement is the best or Larry Rinker!
@dougturner, I have not heard of “easiest swing”… just curious if you base your golf swing from what they teach? If so, how has their content helped your golf game and what insights can you share about them? Thanks!
@@RWCARC Brian Sparks is the creator of the easiest swing method. I say method somewhat loosely, it isn’t exactly position based, well it isn’t technical at all. It emphasizes tension free and flowing swings, in balance. I guess if there’s one position they focus on it’s a balanced finish. Definitely check them out on YT.
Call me old fashioned coz I am - but I know this is not the completed course but there seems to be no looseness or fluidity in the swing. The modern swing is the one that leads to injuries - hence maybe the stiffness you have been getting. I hope it works for you on the course but I am sticking to old fashioned.
A great point and I've thought the same during this process. You may be absolutely right, but another possibility is that when I'm trying so hard to change patterns, I'm doing so in a really rigid and clumsy fashion. Maybe after I get it dialed in, I'll swing more freely? Or, maybe you're right and the modern swing model is less "swingy".
hey, keep up the great content. Looks like you have a great future as a body contortionist 😂. Seriously though.. exaggerated moves like Tiger is doing around the 6:30 mark of the video link below seems like it would be helpful to you… I don’t see his arms and hands doing some of the weird stuff she is doing though to get your swing positions adjusted. Maybe just try what Tiger is doing and see the results … He makes it look so damn easy, just a thought. th-cam.com/video/piE54bmNJGc/w-d-xo.html
@@GolfTestDummy believe this is the key move for my swing that I am trying to incorporate. The right hip drops back and raises up, then the transition has the left hip pushing back with left leg straightening up to the finish. Having someone pulling my back belt loops around to my rear as I rotate really helps with the exaggerated movement of body turn
Interesting that on the one hand you have Jim Venetos teaching very little movement, and Golftec teaching so much more movement. Just shows that there is no one correct way to swing the club. What hope is there for an ordinary golfer trying to find one thing that just works?
I think about things like that SO often, the juxtaposition of extremely different methods and philosophies, both of which can produce great results. But then, it's kinda like shoes. There's a ton of them that will do the job. But which ones fit your budget, style, needs, etc. Loafers aren't any more "correct" than tennis shoes, but each one is geared a bit different.
First I want to say Golf Tec has a much better mat to hit off of then at my last fitting session had. Second I think it would be wise not to review anymore swing systems by other golf instructors.
This lady got rid of your over the top, AND got you to open your hips, AND gave you lag/shaft lean in THREE lessons? REALLY? Good work on your part too. No sense in taking lessons if you don’t practice.
This seems like you’re trying too hard to put your body in positions and very unnatural. Too much focused on body positions. Like Shawn Clement said anytime someone tries to put you in body positions, run.
I've chatted with Jessica about the difference between body focused versus club focused instruction. I think with me and many golfers, without addressing some body positions, it's almost impossible to get the club position right.
@@GolfTestDummy yes that is true, there are some basics to stick to. I think the body opening moves are for the younger guys, which eventually takes its toll.
Im at golftec too and what you're working I will be soon as well. I just found this video with Pete Cowen, today. It may simplify things for you. th-cam.com/video/iP0sBzIXRtc/w-d-xo.html
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For being brave enough to go to Golftec and since I haven't done this in a while. Enjoy!
Haha, thanks a whole bunch, Tim! That means a lot, and I might put this toward some damn air conditioning in the lab for next Summer!
@@GolfTestDummy Well, I'd be all for you feeling cooler but without personal knowledge of anything, Mr. Maxfield seems to think that AC will interfere with a radar based LM such as the R10. Anyway, I totally understand since my garage is pretty much a sauna right now.
As luck had it, the one time I visited my sister in NC I played the Charlotte Country Club on a day of 104 degrees F and 115 humidex and not a breath of wind for most of it. We played in a cart at 11:00 and my nephew's girlfriend who was a track athlete at MIT had to quit after 9 holes because she got so overheated and had heat stroke. I sweat my shirt through so badly that I just threw it away after the round because it stained so badly. Suffice it to say that I know that it can get stinking hot down there. Cheers.
Haha, sounds familiar. Yeah, any fan or breeze can throw off the R10, but it would be behind the side wall of the enclosure bay, so it should be all good. I can't take another one of these Summers in there.
And it’s not like you had a terrible golf swing, the high level instruction it’s taking for you to make that progress, illustrates why so many golfers try all the different methods available on TH-cam that you’ve experimented with. Can’t wait till you can get on the course with this
Hopefully soon, but I need to have a functional swing and this 100 degree weather to disappear, haha.
I’m going into my 6th week at GolfTec and we’re still working on me getting my but down and trying to trail hip over the ball. It not easy go from an upper body dominant swing to a lower body dominant swing. At time I feel I’m too old at 63 to learn a swing like this, but I keep trying. You’re looking good.
That's awesome, and good on you for always trying to improve. We should always try and figure out how to be better.
I had a similar experience at Golftec. 50 plus years playing golf and to see some truly awful positions in my swing were eye opening. I have had many lessons over the years and was taught things that hurt my back and at times physically impossible for me to do. I am on track to playing well. I have added 20-30 yards with my driver and 10-15 yards with my irons. Well worth money invested.
It really is an eye opener. It's never easy to make changes.
Thanks for all the support! For those that want to support the channel further, a Super Thanks is always welcome.
Let me say from the start. I get it.... Your channel name/title is spot on.
Bravery is subjective and varied depending on situations.
That said, being able to deconstruct your swing is brave. Doing it for everyone to view is another level.
Regardless of your results, the journey is interesting and appreciated.
I have thought of a concept for a video that dives into the mental aspect.
Why "we" weekend/part-time golfers stay stagnant in growth.
Inability to embarrass or allow for uncomfortable situations in "our" swing is paramount.
My approach is to build around tendencies and use a few factors.
1.Alignment
2. Proper Balance/Weight Transfer
3.Square club.
4.Weight Transfer
5. Follow Through.
Your videos are great.
Enjoy your journey!
I appreciate the kind words and insight, thank you. It is a bit weird to put everything out for anybody to see, but then again, I've never been scared of talking to people, and I'll walk right up to any person I see and strike up a conversation, haha.
Having the right person guide you and being able to see it on video are enormous advantages. Exaggerated drills are the best when making changes to any movement. Enjoying your journey. Keep at it. Cheers
Completely agree. Thanks a bunch.
You said some key things in this video that some don’t think about. That is we have FT jobs, kids and other family related responsibilities going on while we’re trying to get better. You talked about being tired and sore. I’m 60 years old now and I totally agree with you. Why do we put ourselves through this mess just to get better at this crazy game?!? It’s called passion and being competitive. I feel it keeps us young as well. Keep grinding you’re doing great. IMO set some goals for yourself like tournament play in the future. You got this man. Stay positive!
Thanks, Norman! Yeah, I can't just float through on something I care about. If people want a leisurely, care free time outdoors, there are many other things that are cheaper, easier, and more effortless. Take up Frisbee, haha.
Things are still looking way better but the comments I have are very similar to last week. The only reason that you need to push the club through like that and lead with the handle so much is because the clubhead is still moving too inside and too low in the early stages and then the clubhead can't catch up with the hands as they start to move around the body on the lead side, because they are too far behind. If you're using something like the Kawaswing, Ballard's figure 8 drill or many other drills or methods, you won't have to fight to keep the handle ahead into impact so much because the clubhead will be in a better position to relate properly with the downswing hand path.
Other than that, things are looking so much better. This video by Cogorno "The EASIEST And FASTEST Way To Shallow The Golf Club" for example is very good example of what you should be looking for in your takeaway motion while keeping the other changes that you've made. So instead of pushing the clubhead back ahead of your hands in the early backswing, you should keep it a little more level with your hands and have it go somewhat higher and wider on the way up which give room for it fall behind the hands (hand path) coming down. An easy way to think of this is just keeping the club more in line with your lead arm in the early swing and have your wrist motion be almost entirely just cocking upwards which keeps the clubhead higher and wider going back. Cheers.
Cocking the wrists early was my first lesson, and I think I may have lost sight of that as time has passed, and I need to get back to feeling that, so thanks for reminding me. That may help. Thanks for the kudos, too. This whole process has been tough so far, but I think it's going to pay off in the end. Just gotta keep grinding.
@@GolfTestDummy Well, with as big as that change looks on video you must feel as though you are playing golf on the moon or something like that. I'm not a big follower of the chronology of swing changes and their evolution per se (although obviously I've seen many) but yours seems, from my memory, to be one of the biggest changes that I've seen in such a short period. Obviously it's far from ingrained or course ready yet (and must still feel very strange) but nonetheless you can pull off a swing and hit a ball with it and that's nothing to sneeze at especially with such a previously long term pattern to overcome. Thus, you've proved your aptitude as a student quite convincingly, so nice going man. Cheers.
Many thanks. I'm working hard, just hope it's all in the right direction.
I've held off having Golf tech look at my swing, but if I was younger and had a good back I'd probably try it, but at this stage (62) full right shoulder replacement and back surgery I'm just glad to still be able to hit. Way to go Chad, at least I can learn through you....how come I can't hit a 5 iron? 6-wedges hardly an issue but the 3,4,5 no ideas
It could any number of things, but given that most amateurs struggle with 5 and up, it's a fairly common affliction.
I Stopped turning my Hips in the backswing Like She taught You and oh my God the Power in my Irons and Driver Jumped Dramaticly.
You can really build a coil and explode if you get your sequencing down pat.
What a change already! Wow! Great work! Can't wait for more on course playing with this swing. Keep it up!
Once I get my swing to a normalized state, it'll be interesting to see how it goes on course.
Only way I come close in downswing is to keep trail elbow glued to trail side until after impact and basically make the lead side of the body bring the trail arm through
Yeah, that would pretty much guarantee you had to turn.
Love your videos. Wondering if one day you’d have a go with Easiest Swing by Brian and Phillip Sparks.
I would say it's almost inevitable that I will. Been watching Brian's stuff for years. Great to see his legacy carry on.
1 question. How much did your club head speed improve thru these lessons? I have taken some lessons from a teaching pro using Trackman but am also interested in giving GolfTec a looksee. Problem is I am 66 soon to be 67 and feel like I probably don't have that many years left on earth. As it stands I shoot in the low to mid 80's playing from the Sr tees and am not a long ball driver with my average tee shot right at 200 yards. My Ghin hdcp is just under 14. I have been told that is a decent score for someone like me and even though I would like to be able to drive the ball another 20-30 yards off the tee box on average, at the same time I can't help but wonder if I should just be satisfied with the current status of my game and go out to play without worry about trying to get much better than I am now. As one person told me.....since I don't plan to start playing in tourneys then why bother? True but at the same time.....I just can't give up on the idea of trying to improve my game at least a little bit.
Exaggerations looks funky, hard to argue with work and results.
That's true. It's all about results.
Well done! Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do, RC!
@@GolfTestDummy So, I’ve seen this particular model before (AMG, I believe) and I’ve had limited success with it (limited lower body during backswing - or somewhat static, then aggressive firing of lower body going forward - dynamic). For some reason, it’s really resonating this time. All scores in the 70’s since I’ve used this model (+1 yesterday on punched greens). It also seems that it’s much easier to stay in posture on the “backswing” as well (backswing in quotes because it doesn’t feel like a swing at all - more of a club placement, or back stretch?). I used to see Faldo use the ball between the knees to limit the lower body on the backswing.
Finally, perhaps Shawn Clement’s recent video about staying behind the pole would be a simple visual to engage the lower body properly without thinking about left knee working back, left heel pressure, etc.?
I’m not sure I buy the “old fashion” vs “modern” swing … seems to be there’s more in common with Hogan, Palmer (etc) and the modern players than differences. I have a heavy baseball background (played D1), and Ted Williams and Barry Bonds have more in common than differences too.
Love your channel and please don’t take this the wrong way but Good luck with all the positions, it won’t work for the long haul and you’ll eventually get hurt and also on uneven lies your going to have a tough time. Old school Shaun Clement is the best or Larry Rinker!
Most people aren’t built to golf like robots or the PGA tour pros they show you videos of.
I've always held the same opinion, but then I thought, well, if you never try it for real, you'll never know.
Great position at the end.
Thanks, Mark!
I'm not sure what Manuel de la Torre would think about all this technical manipulation stuff
Thank you for all the amazing content. I was wondering if you have checked out easiest swing? If so I wondered what your thoughts on it is.
I've never formally tried it, or tried it long term, but it's always been one on my list.
@dougturner, I have not heard of “easiest swing”… just curious if you base your golf swing from what they teach? If so, how has their content helped your golf game and what insights can you share about them? Thanks!
@@RWCARC Brian Sparks is the creator of the easiest swing method. I say method somewhat loosely, it isn’t exactly position based, well it isn’t technical at all. It emphasizes tension free and flowing swings, in balance. I guess if there’s one position they focus on it’s a balanced finish. Definitely check them out on YT.
Let us know when you start to venture into a camera system to record your swing at home in your sim!
Haha, I can record it, but the only way to get it in frame is vertically, so I occasionally drop in a side by side.
Foam insulation in the garage doors!
Yeah, that's coming soon, haha!
Call me old fashioned coz I am - but I know this is not the completed course but there seems to be no looseness or fluidity in the swing.
The modern swing is the one that leads to injuries - hence maybe the stiffness you have been getting.
I hope it works for you on the course but I am sticking to old fashioned.
A great point and I've thought the same during this process. You may be absolutely right, but another possibility is that when I'm trying so hard to change patterns, I'm doing so in a really rigid and clumsy fashion. Maybe after I get it dialed in, I'll swing more freely? Or, maybe you're right and the modern swing model is less "swingy".
can you feel your body being broken down by trying to swing this way back issues coming the good feels LOL
Really great effort buddy. We do appreciate you contorting your aged frame into uncomfortable positions, for our entertainement. 😀😀
Haha, I'm great at making a fool of myself. It's a superpower.
An inch feels like a yard in a golf swing change.
You got that right.
hey, keep up the great content. Looks like you have a great future as a body contortionist 😂.
Seriously though.. exaggerated moves like Tiger is doing around the 6:30 mark of the video link below seems like it would be helpful to you… I don’t see his arms and hands doing some of the weird stuff she is doing though to get your swing positions adjusted. Maybe just try what Tiger is doing and see the results … He makes it look so damn easy, just a thought.
th-cam.com/video/piE54bmNJGc/w-d-xo.html
I've seen that one. Good stuff. I'll go back and watch it again.
@@GolfTestDummy believe this is the key move for my swing that I am trying to incorporate. The right hip drops back and raises up, then the transition has the left hip pushing back with left leg straightening up to the finish. Having someone pulling my back belt loops around to my rear as I rotate really helps with the exaggerated movement of body turn
Interesting that on the one hand you have Jim Venetos teaching very little movement, and Golftec teaching so much more movement. Just shows that there is no one correct way to swing the club. What hope is there for an ordinary golfer trying to find one thing that just works?
I think about things like that SO often, the juxtaposition of extremely different methods and philosophies, both of which can produce great results. But then, it's kinda like shoes. There's a ton of them that will do the job. But which ones fit your budget, style, needs, etc. Loafers aren't any more "correct" than tennis shoes, but each one is geared a bit different.
First I want to say Golf Tec has a much better mat to hit off of then at my last fitting session had. Second I think it would be wise not to review anymore swing systems by other golf instructors.
Haha, I think I know why, but why do you say that?
This lady got rid of your over the top, AND got you to open your hips, AND gave you lag/shaft lean in THREE lessons? REALLY?
Good work on your part too. No sense in taking lessons if you don’t practice.
This seems like you’re trying too hard to put your body in positions and very unnatural. Too much focused on body positions. Like Shawn Clement said anytime someone tries to put you in body positions, run.
I've chatted with Jessica about the difference between body focused versus club focused instruction. I think with me and many golfers, without addressing some body positions, it's almost impossible to get the club position right.
@@GolfTestDummy yes that is true, there are some basics to stick to. I think the body opening moves are for the younger guys, which eventually takes its toll.
Im at golftec too and what you're working I will be soon as well. I just found this video with Pete Cowen, today. It may simplify things for you.
th-cam.com/video/iP0sBzIXRtc/w-d-xo.html
Makes a lot of sense, and when I've swung well, I've felt that very thing before. Great stuff.
Do you have an email address
golftestdummy@gmail.com
@@GolfTestDummy Sent email it might go to your spam folder.