Hi from Sweden. This is the first time I have really come to grips with Marcus swing , and the one tip that solved it for me is when you said leave your weight on the back leg until you have hit the ball. And staying there is possible because he has the ball further back in the stance.Thanks ! Look forward to your videos .
I played Royal County Down on Thursday with 3 members I hit 12/14 fairways and was the longest drive of our foursome on 5 of the holes I was never ever the longest amongst any four ball until I discovered Marcus I rarely play golf these days but I do hit balls almost every day his method has me hitting it further at 62 than I did 30 years when I first started :)
Amazing that you are doing exactly what I am doing with Marcus Edblad instruction. I opened my stance a lot and found it really helped my hip rotation. Put an alignment stick at your heels with your open stance and you will find you are lined up perfectly with your target. I also look at the inside of the ball which to me is 7:30, then move my eyes to the opposite side of the ball which I think of as 1:30. This helps me swing through the ball instead of at the ball. Great channel!
Thanks for bringing this method to us Chad. I posted this on his last video where he mentions you are testing his methods. "Hi Marcus. Your method has grabbed my attention (I follow Chad GTD). I'm a 60 yr old, 7 handicapper--I haven't played for 4 weeks due to injury. On Friday I swung right with an early release and pumped it 245 meters (no warm-up). My first 4 drives were the same then I started overthinking it. Today I applied your concept to my irons and I birdied 2/4 short holes. I have tried the Steve Pratt/Mike Austen release before, I'm also an avid Channel Lock enthusiast (playing off the trail leg). I've had a lot of success with both but there was always the odd shot I would (under pressure) push straight right. Today I set up with my specific CL stance and then concentrated on the trail hand push and left wrist scoop....aah--what a pleasure to see a 4-iron take off with a sharp crack like an Exocet missile to the right with a gentle draw. The problem is I flew 3 greens today (our best "miss" on our course is always short) because I'm flushing the irons and added 10 meters to each club. What a nice problem to have. Thank you so much. Do you have a website? I want to follow your Mesquite/long driver odyssey...I think you're going to rip it..."
Awesome Philip! And thanks for the support. I feel like I've said this so many times in comments today, but just wait until next weeks video. I'm not going to spoil it, but it's already filmed and edited.
Philip, I too have had some success with the Steve Pratt/Mike Austin throw the clubhead early release, For me the difference here is with that method I was still picturing the swing as an around the body rotation. With this one I picture the swing path as almost linear from behind me to the right to in front of me to the right. Just swinging on that line and allowing rotation to just happen naturally. For me its a more effective intention.
@@gatgolf Absolutely 100%. It's now effortless to square up the longer irons and woods. It's amazing the distance you get when you start flushing it out the middle. From 8-iron down to wedges, the right-hand push doesn't have to be so pronounced. I've never hit fairway woods as I did on Sunday...which suddenly changes the dynamic of a par 5. I'm now chipping my 3rd shot as opposed to full wedges and 9 iron. I teed off the whole round with a 5 fairway wood and I kept up with my playing partners hitting drivers...plus I was mostly on the short grass.
So glad you’re giving his techniques a try I’m a lefty also and Marcus’ explanations are all short and to the point. Thanks again and looking forward to more videos on his swing mechanics.
Larry as a left hander I'm sure that you appreciate finally being represented and provided insights from someone who swings from the same side. And Marcus is a great teacher to boot.
I LOVE that when you dissect a swing, you DO reset your own brain to zero, experience the swing as Marcus suggests, and explain it in a VERY clear way. Not everyone can abandon years of 'methodology' while giving a different swing philosophy a chance to be heard, understood, and succeed. Excellent video.
I believe this Marcus method has over 90 percent of John Hensby’s Channel Lock in it. The only difference is JH taught: 1. To first aim your club head squarely to your ball directly at your intended target and to have your ball more center or closer to your trail foot. 2. Just before you swing the weight of your club over your trail shoulder you should close your lead shoulder to block your target. 3, Swing the weight of the head of the club inward over your trail shoulder and then with your trail hand swing the weight of your club outward extending your trail arm as you allowing your body to unwind automatically. For me Channel Lock works perfectly around the green. And takes about 1&1/3 second Otherwise I simply pull the weight of my club over my trail shoulder then pull the weight of my club under my trail elbow to over my lead shoulder. That’s it! This produces a nice fade for me and is all done in 1&1/3 second. If I need to draw my ball Marcus and or Channel Lock system works great for me as well. Cheers 😃👍⛳️🥂
I'm glad that I found your site. I have been practicing Marcus's method during the winter with good results but your video explained the setup a lot better. Thanks!
Enjoy your channel...good balance of humor and technical moments. I live in the states and have been subscribed to Marcus' channel for well over a year. You have his swing dialed. Don't forget to stress that Marcus likes to play with the ball back in his stance. I noticed you've nailed that part as well. If possible I'd love to see you film one of your rounds utilizing his push technique. Keep it up....looking forward to the next video!
I went back and watched some of the Swing Surgeons old videos. Heavy right, hands start downswing, head behind ball, toe up...a lot of the same swing thoughts as Marcus. Guy was ahead of his time!
This is one of my favourite videos. Having watched many of Marcus's videos recently I am trying to implement his instruction. This video helped clarify many things. 1) weight on back foot. 2) slightly open the stance (this is massive) 3) swing out to right and toe up. I have had some excellent results so far. Ball not travelling as far as I would have hoped, but the shape is certainly getting better. I am usually an over the top swinger and this has helped me tremendously. Let me know if you have any other tips on Marcus' swing.
The eye line part at the end really makes sense.. that's the line you want to take your swing on.. WOW awesone This is also alot like the Eureka swing method.
This swing method is great for "experienced" golfers. Feels strange but it works! No holding angles or as much worry about positions. Frees up your swing and let's you focus on the target. Found you can take off some of the draw spin if you need to by starting with a slightly open club face. So much easier on the body with this swing. I too had great success with Mike Austin method and feel this is similar but much easier to hit a draw!
Ok Chad...believe this or not, but I started keeping my eyes behind the ball (like you demonstrated) about 2 months ago and you're right...it works! Haven't tried the rest of the Edblad method yet, but it seems pretty similar to what I've done naturally for decades. It seems to help me to keep the trail foot weight on the inside of the foot or on the center. If the weight goes to the outside of the foot, results are not good or consistent. By the way, I like the new backdrop.
Thanks a bunch! And yeah, the eyes thing makes sense, right? I mean, if you tilted your head to one side so that you could see to use a hammer to drive a nail, you'd look at the spot you wanted to hit.
I'm 71 and I only heard one person say hit with right or trailer hand. I always hit with the right hand and staying behind the ball just seem the natural thing to do. I never told anyone to do this because everyone taught the opposite so I just keep quiet. It's nice to know someone else thinks similar to me, thank you.
Haha, it's amazing how there are so many ways out there, and everybody has it right all the time. We put so much faith and trust in coaches to know everything, and forget to trust ourselves.
I'm so happy you and Marcus are teaming up on this. I have 3 different simple thoughts to hit a golf ball. They all work. Marcus' swing thoughts however have provided more consistency then the other methods and I hit way more draws.
It has similarities to Channel Lock swing. Marcus has a lot of videos on YT to view. I have been using his swing with driver for a few months. I didn't happen instantly ,but when I got it, the distance gain was worth it. I am 10 days out from right hip total replacement, so for the next few months once I get back to playing, I will probably revert to JV swing with weight on my good hip. In contrast a senior player with a left hip/ knee issue, might benefit from this swing or channel lock method ( trail side) weighted. For example, my wife tried the JV swing method/ stack& tilt , but it aggravated he left knee ski injury. Thanks for your enquiring mind Chad. I have really enjoyed following your journey, taking up some ideas and discarding some that were not a good fit with what worked for me.
@@GolfTestDummy oops I meant 10 days post surgery. I am walking with the aid of a stick. I bought a ball pick up device so I will be practising short game stuff only for 12 weeks and walking the course for a exercise.
Thanks Chad for introducing Marcus E. His method really resonates with me! I’ve hit some of my best ever fairway woods since adopting his ideas. Still a bit patchy and discovering the limits but the change has disrupted my tendency to swing weakly over the top! Thanks again 👏😜🙏
Great video! You actually showed the ball position and that helps me know where to place the ball when I practice swing. What about using this swing for wedge shots? Also, I have subscribed to your channel.
Hi Chad, great to see your channel growing and you're still putting so much heart into it! Keep it up! After your review, I watched the videos of Marcus. Thanks for pointing me to this great channel! I had a lot of fun on the range today!
@@robertoballerini52 th-cam.com/video/L6g6Mhkkpk8/w-d-xo.html&feature=share&si=ELPmzJkDCLju2KnD5oyZMQ here Marcus is pointing out the ball position for the Driver. He recommends a farther back ball position for the irons, but I can't find the video at the moment. Hope that helps
I owe you an apology , when I wrote you the last time about your comments on Jim venetos golf swing, I truly believe it is a golf swing for the non athletic person who wants to play golf and have fun . However for the small percentage of people who want to become a true single digit handicap your video’s really do bring s sense of value to the true golfer who can achieve a real low handicap with hundreds if not thousands of hours of practice, I was a 4 real handicap before 2 back surgeries found venetos and it actually brought me back to golf , now after one year I am transitioning back to my old swing and your videos have really helped me along I am going to subscribe to your channel and support you along with venetos. And Marcus Edblad knows the golf swing that’s how I used to swing the club I am finally able to get back to it. Keep up the good work again my apologies. Guy Ghini.
Hopefully it's going to better golf, haha. I'll keep working to get better with it, but you make it look effortless, as if you could birdie every hole.
Hey Chad ,Hope Your Well . I Found Marcus an Couple of Months ago and as an Player that has Had 6 knee Surgeries on My Left Knee , Total replacement and 2 revisions ,Still not right Am right Handed this Swing is just Phenomenal for Me ,Just 1 Surgery on right Knee and 65 years Old am just Smoking the Ball and can Draw on command even Hook , Though if I swing too hard get Low Snap Hook , But Brother Marcus is Amazing and Quick to Answer also an Laid Back Gentleman as Are You!
Hi Chad, Clearly, the protocol mechanical geometry principles of the "Channel Lock" swing are endemic in this swing derivation of the Channel Lock swing. What was surprising to me was the fact of you not relating to in any intrinsic detail relative to what I believe is the absolute geometric lynch pin of the swing principal application.. that being the 'trail foot ball position at address/impact'. In order for the weight to remain in the trail vertical body axis coming into.. and at impact .. it is body structure position imperative that the ball is positioned off the trail foot at impact in order for the club path to tack itself in to out at impact with the degree of transversing angularity across the target line at impact necessary to start the ball away from the target line .. and manifest the push draw ball flight.. every time. In order to achieve the degree of in to out/across the target line at impact.. the shoulder girdle must be in a state of closure at impact.. that can never be guaranteed with a forward of body center ball positioning at address/impact.. the ball must be positioned off the trail foot to ensure the shoulder girdle will always be closed at impact.. hence I think that part of the swing foundational structural application is really the 'Atomic Particle' of the swing structure. I know you were clearly doing an 'introduction' explanation of the swing principle and obviously will be doing follow-up videos with more in-depth structural information about the swing .. which I have no doubt the trail foot ball positioning aspect will be a big part of your swing project analysis. I must congratulate you on your new video presentation visuals .. the quality of audio and the picture definition is great.. an indoor setting always helps with sound and visual control consistency doesn't it.. and as always your verbal presentation is clear and concise in explanation..keep up the journey of investigation and learning of all things Golf Swing.. as you and I know only too well .. the Golf Swing will always be a journey of exploration that will have no final destination...which I personally think is the real lure of the journey. cheers JH
So great to hear from you JH! Haven't spoken to you in a while and always love getting your thoughts. I'll tell you, you HAVE to tune in next Monday. I filmed the next video over a week ago and had it uploaded and scheduled, and it's absolutely brutal to see all of the Lockers freaking out, haha. The big payoff is next week, so be patient with me.
Hi Chad, Looking forward to your next video.. I think your diligence of approach to the explanation of a Golf Swing derivation of applied mechanics/dynamics/geometry will always be beneficial to the rank and file Golfer...different slants on basic principles of a swing theme are always good for the variance of uptake that golfers in general have. The coupling of the swing geometry you are espousing in this specific swing type and the Channel Lock base swing principles.. will definitely reinforce to Golfers the swing's unique potential for obtaining a consistent 'starting' direction ball flight Golf Swing. I am sure you will provide a great support vehicle to the 'Locker' clan with your explanation insight of the swing dynamics/geometry etc that you will be continuing to explore in your coming videos ...every new discovery in every field of sports dynamics has benefitted from an amalgam of research development.. simply equated.. the more minds investigating the subject.. the more complete and refined the analysis becomes... Cheers .. JH
Interesting! I use part of the Jim Veneto method, this looks totally opposite of his method. I will give it a try if it works to or me I will stay with it as rotation is an issue, as I have foot drop on my right foot. Iam left handed so its my front foot. I like the Jim Veneto method so this will have to work well for me from the start.
Hi chad, i got a lesson from Marcus recently… i have a question. How do you carry a 6 iron 197 with just 78.4 mph? The reason im asking is that i swing my 6iron around 88-91 mph.. but i carry around 175-180.. what could be the flaw? My flight pattern is a draw
Just got back from the driving range after hitting a couple hundred balls. I moved the ball back about one inch. For my driver in the middle of my stance and for all other clubs one inch back. The open stance and ball position allows me to swing more in to out. My miss which is a pull draw is gone. Which means I will hit most fairways and greens next week. I will not change anything else especially weight or pivot. My swing is just to repeatable and accurate to change at this point. Thanks Chad and Marcus you guys are stud muffins
Hey Chad ... would it be fair to say that your ball position favors your right foot vs. the center of your stance? Could be the camera angle. Maybe a chalk line showing the target direction vs. stance and ball position would be helpful to some of us. Thanks for reviewing this technique ... I'm excited to give it my best. =)
Absolutely George. I think I mentioned that in this video and the next video coming up as well. Hope it works well for you! I'll have to add in some other angles maybe.
Chad, a couple of observations. By promoting the weight on your trail leg you are more likely to have a consistent low point in your swing. This is kind of the opposite of stack and tilt where they keep the weight forward.
Much appreciated Don. Sometimes when I make these videos I wonder if people will actually enjoy it, or think I'm some sort of psycho. It's a coin toss.
It worked great right off the bat. I a 61 years old . 6’3 -215 lbs. I have never hit as far or accurate. My question is I understand stand the swing path to the right, but at address is the club face alittle right as well? I have been doing that and the ball seems to go straight most of the time or a little draw. Should I have club face square to target or a little right ? Thanks
Thats fantastic Bill! Starting line and curvature of the flight of the ball is determined by clubface relative to path. So if your path is in to out, and the face is square to that path, the ball will go straight.
@@GolfTestDummy I am not sure if I was clear . My ball is going straight to target. Club face is slightly open to the right. When I swing inside out, the ball ends up goin straight at the target which is a good thing ! Lol. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t supposed to have my club face at the target and swing inside out! Thanks
Been working on this (Edblad) for a few weeks within rounds. Works great for my driver. Can't seem to find the right ball position for irons. Good explanation/breakdown on this vid.
I'd say just keep creeping the ball back in your stance a tiny bit at a time and you will know when you are finally there (with the irons). It's just a matter of getting it far enough back that it's impossible to do anything but hit it straight or have a small draw (because the ball is so far back you will not be able to cut across it and impart slice spin). When you get to that point the only other thing you must make sure of is to not be late with the release.
It's just a matter of time and trying little tweaks. Try making swings without the ball. Find your consistent low point first, and then learn to place the ball BEFORE the low point. From there, don't manipulate your swing, just let it do the same thing as when the ball wasn't there.
Im off 5 and using Edblads swing for my irons Feel and real are different...your rhand release will shift weight naturally to the left heel as you would if throwing a stone. ie Body is reacting here...not the trigger for the swing. Think Fred couples smooth and loose wrists as you takeaway and release and you will get effortless feel. Wait for the swing...feel the clubhead fall..dont hit. Dont be afraid to swing in to out a lot ...and feel rhand has face closed back and through' especially as you drop the club and let it release from hip height...toss the stonw on water!!
I really don't know what swing method I use. It must not be the prettiest because it goes in streaks where total strangers at the range will come up to me and try to correct my swing. Or they say, don't know how you do it but your straight with good distance. I have olny 2 swing thoughts. Compress the ball with forward shaft lean. Keep the face and swing path square to the target through the impact zone.
Every Pro stays on his right foot until impact, watch them and you'll see that the right foot does this push move at impact, then releases after impact, almost a 2 part thing. It's nothing new, why do you think that Ben Hogan had an extra spike fitted to his RIGHT golf shoe? Jack Nicklaus advises to roll the right foot THROUGH impact before lifting it, same deal.
Yeah this method is so much simpler and natural than the lag, angels method - lock and load throwing motion in to out. Had to unlearn a lot in changing my swing..
Hi Chad - Would you mind answering a quick question? I have watched all of your videos on Marcus Edblad and have been down a rabbit hole with his and your channel over the past 4 months. My misses are constantly the push out to the right and its not drawing back to the left. (sounds like you had a similar issue that you highlighted in a video). Is that because my grip needs to be stronger or am I not releasing early enough, which is what you realized? Do you use a slightly strong grip when you hit the draw with this method? I am just trying to figure out the push draw and how to get more of the draw then the push without overcooking it and causing a pull hook so trying to see if its just a grip issue or if my timing of the release needs more practice. Thank you for your help!
Glad to see your back testing swing methods again. Quick question are you still using Garmin R10? If so not that you have used for quite awhile...... Is it pretty accurate for carry yards to what you hit on the course?
Thanks John. And yes, I'm still using the R10. When it comes to irons and even hybrid, I've found it to be very accurate and representative of what I see in the real world. Driver and 3 wood are a bit off, but not by much.
Loving this Chad! I been focusing on the release, especially with the driver..releasing earlier so I can hit up on it has me crushing drives. I’m sure you will be covering that soon. Also, will you be talking more about 24/7 golf? Thanks brother see you in the next one!
How did you figure out to load the weight on the trail side? I've watched so many of his videos and he didn't mention this once. Looking forward to this series as much as I am with a new Lord of The Rings. Riveting content!!!!
Haha, thanks Brent. Marcus didn't mention it, it's just trial and error on my part. Experimenting until I feel things start working. Plus, he's using the trail arm, so it made sense to load the trail side.
Chad appreciate this review as I recently been working on Edblad swing. Through short experience this far am hitting the irons pretty good but struggle with Driver ? Any tips you found helped get more friendly with his Driver method ?
It depends really on what about your ball flight isn't turning out how you like. For me personally, I had the feeling of getting the toe up on the follow through, along with the feeling of hitting the bottom of the ball. That gave me a lot of height AND the heavy draw.
Really good Chad, Marcus teaches easy to apply practice habits that a lot of average golfers don’t take the time for, hope we see you on the course with his teaching, gonna take me some time going from right hand submissive to right hand releasing for speed
Jim I agree, because I was going lead hand dominant before this as well. I have already filmed and edited a video for next week that directly compares a trail side versus a lead side. Pretty interesting.
@@GolfTestDummy the thing I’m most encouraged by, is that practicing what Marcus does teaches control of the club face, can’t wait to see you do a 9 hole video with this
You're well on the way to becoming the most interesting golf guy on youtube after that pants promo :-) Kidding aside, I've found that the modern stretch integration in pants is definitely a major plus especially as I've gotten far better at stretching them in general (even without doing much). The swing is looking very good in many respects and you are really slinging the shaft which is one of the main sources of power in the golf swing. It should be possible to easily hit a draw with a swing like Marcus' when hitting off the back foot without your adaptations if you are hitting the ball back in your stance because the club will naturally come from the inside. The reason it's somewhat harder for you and you need the adaptations is because your arm action is different than his (as I mentioned last week) and his is proper. The fact that your trail elbow is travelling so far to the rear of your body and your club is crossing the line a fair bit back there. so the shaft is way out of aligment with your shoulder turn. This is why you need to make adaptations to push the club from inside to outside and this is also what delays getting the trail elbow into your trail side. The ideal leverage swinging from the inside with any given club (but especially a longer club) is going to happen when the trail elbow is immediately starting down into the trail side from the same direction as the arms are swinging. This is why your changes of weight back and head turned to the trail side are necessary (or more so), because that helps you swing from the inside with your disadvantaged arm position and as I said last week it will be harder to use these adaptations with longer clubs because in effect what you are doing is introducing something that allows you to wait in order for the club get in position to be swinging from the inside which the weight back and head position change helps. You will notice that he keeps the arms more in front of his chest, folds the trail arm quickly and gets the club moving up quickly. All of this is keeping the club in synch with the motion of his chest. This means that his arms can naturally swing down from the inside and in synch with motion of his center of chest. The sign that this has happened at the top is that his club is across the line but the shaft is MUCH more in Iine with his shoulders at the top than is yours. The more out of line the club is with your shoulders at the top, the more you will have to wait for the club to get behind your turn, or lose your spine angle, hip depth etc., and especially as the club gets longer. This means power loss with longer clubs particularly and probably with very short ones as well. Study how he is getting the club shaft in line with his shoulder movement during the takeaway and keeping that alignment at the top. It's actually a very tight motion of the trail arm and elbows while he is producing a very large shoulder turn so that the arm motion almost seems short if you examine the path of the elbows. A tight cocking of the wrists combined with this tight elbow motion and a big turn is probably the most effecient possible mechanism for producing power in the golf swing. Many people lose a lot of power through even slight inaccuracies in their arm and wrist motion because the ulitmate power source in the golf swing is being able to accelerate the clubhead immediately from the top with a tight rotational center. As we all know, sometimes less is more and this is definitely often true with the arms and wrists in the golf swing. If you can improve that, you really will have arrived at a very fine swing motion which will work equally well throughout the bag. Shared with the best of intentions. Cheers.
It makes sense. I think I actually followed that one pretty well. I think a lot of my unique arm, wrist, elbow, etc motions are the result of the right wrist. It just doesn't function normally without sharp pains. This seems to be the natural byproduct of that.
@@GolfTestDummy Well there is an increased wrist cock on the way down that naturally occurs. I have determined that it is predominantly a motion where the back of the hand moves towards the same side of the forearm (extension) and there is also extra force towards the thumb side of the wrist. If these areas cause problems for you then a tighter motion would be problematic for you. However, I also experimented with different motions and if you have a tighter arm and elbow motion in the backswing but with a longer trail arm during the backswing, there is less of that particular stress on the wrist during the downswing. This is a swing where you feel as though you are taking the club well to the outside (although you actually aren't) during the early takeaway but you still have a nice tight motion of the arms, elbows and wrists. You end up feeling like you are pushing the club more on the downswing. So it will end up looking somewhat more like Steve Stricker's swing. That might be an option for you to try which might give you more power with longer clubs. It doesn't leverage the wrists as much as some swings but still provides good power and it is fairly easy to get the club on plane that way which, I believe , is why Stricker adopted it. Cheers.
Eager to see this on the course my friend. I played 9 yesterday and went home. I have officially deconstructed my swing at this point. Normally this is when I give up and move on to something else and then wonder a year from now why I am not better. Gonna try to ride this out ( though I said the same thing with One Plane). Something about this one has me intrigued, hope it isn't the accents.
Trying to fix what I’ve been doing wrong for decades can be difficult for this 55 year old. Cool that you can incorporate different swing styles and techniques without missing a beat.
It would be nice if you went more in detail in regards to ball position. You can not be like Jimenez or Marcus until you grow a ponytail and buy a mens golfbag. Myrtle beach here I come . Oyea !
@@2be379 If I swing right or AKA in to out the clubface is aimed straight at my target at address but is closed relative to swing path. This will guarantee a draw. It eliminates a pull draw or the left side of the golf course. It can open the door to a straight push if the release is late. Move the ball position in the middle of stance ,open up just a touch and get that mental image of an in to out swing path. This is some great stuff.
A straight push is much better than a pull draw. I deliberately held the release late and it ended up as a push everytime. A pull is my worst miss. If I pull a shot it goes very long and left. This small adjustment eliminates that miss.
Nice added insight very helpful On the downswing does the trail hand dominate and at what point ( before,at, or past impact) does it pass the lead hand ?
Definitely trail hand dominates, and it's in the process of passing it throughout the whole downswing, with the ultimate intention being the toe of the club going up after impact.
@@GolfTestDummy Also I notice that the ball position is back in your stance. Does this help in hitting the ball early on the arc? It seems when I play the ball in the middle or slightly forward of middle, that when I swing in to out I end up releasing too soon in order to make contact and the ball flight is inconsistent
I am still struggling finding any additional distance. I see you have found it with your irons. Can you shoot me a note about where you feel this distance is coming from. I am missing something, I am hitting it solid but the ball isn't going any further than normal.
It's really hard to say when I'm not looking at it, but I can tell you that I've had some ups and downs, and I can share my experiences. I've appreciated your support so I'm happy to try, but this might get long winded. In the beginning with this approach, I wasn't finding additional distance. My ball flight changed, but kind of the same yardages. Once I started to embrace a "back of center" ball position, it helped a bit. Then, just watching Marcus, it APPEARED to me, that his weight at address favored his trail side. Maybe I'm wrong. But, I started to put more weight on my trail foot. It stabilized things for me, but the ball came out lower, so it wasn't longer. Then, I made my own intuitive leap and said, "If the power comes from the trail arm, and my weight favors my trail side, maybe I should act as if I only have a trail side, and never employ my lead side." (Except to keep myself from falling) So, I started to hang back on my trail side, really "dig into it", and the ball flight went much higher, carried further, turned over into a draw, and boom. I was hitting it a touch further every so often. Now, however, I just experienced 3 straight days of "losing my swing", and everything being back to normal distances. Frustration set in, not gonna lie. I believe it was because many people were saying that what I was doing was wrong, I was hit with doubt, and so I stopped doing the weight staying back thing. I hit bad shot after bad shot for days. Constantly. As of 2 days ago however, I found it again, but in a different way this time. This time, I put my focus on Marcus's references to hockey. How his trail hand passes the lead hand because it's faster, and he also demonstrates. That clicked something. I remembered that during the bad ball striking I was taking my hands at the top, and making a bee line for the ball. That's bad. I needed to bring the hands down first, THEN, move the trail hand forward. Next weeks video is driver. Might be good. Might be a disaster. Either way, I'm keeping it real, as it happens, and I'm not going to add my two cents on anything. Just gonna hit driver, leave my own thoughts out of it, and film it. Hope this helps.
@@GolfTestDummy Thank you man, this does help some. I struggle to feel my trail hand pass my lead hand and I think I am turning too much and or too fast, but my ball flight has been good and high and either straight or with a little draw. I am going to keep at it.
One other thing I'd say, and again, just my experience, but another thing I experimented with was.... If I can't make my trail hand faster, what if I made my lead hand slower....? So that the difference between them was greater, resulting in a bigger speed imbalance, and a higher efficiency. Try it.
@@GolfTestDummy That may be what I need to do, I feel like I am still turning everything very fast and a faster trail hand hasn't materialized for me yet. I will try that today.
TH-cam is at it again, subscribed to your channel as always, bell on for full notification and yet I have to find out about your new content via a different channel. That's terrible.
Thanks for the video. I can tell with those karate kicks you're pretty athletic 😜. Would you recommend being able to control low point or impact before trying these methods
Much appreciated Ryan! In my opinion, with any method, low point control and consistency would be king. Impact will be heavily influenced by low point. Clubface control is huge as well, but the best clubface in the world can't do its job if it's not in the right spot.
Thanks for the comment. To be clear with this one, I'm just reviewing what Marcus teaches. But, to your question; I've heard the exact same thing as you for years. Closed stance is for a draw. Open stance is for a fade. But in the last few years, I've seen people show draws and fades from all sorts of setups. Some of them even extreme. In this occurrence, I believe Marcus says that you don't HAVE to stand a bit open, but he feels it helps to drop the club from the inside a bit more. I'm unsure of the science behind it, but in my experience so far, it feels pretty good and I'm hitting draws.
I don't know, Chad...This approach seems similar in many ways to J.H.'s 'channellock swing': Staying back on the trail side, his 'five-o-clock nose' head position, swinging to 'left field' etc. And opening your stance has the practical effect of moving the ball back towards your trail foot, another aspect of J.H.'s methodology. Am I reading too much into this?
Great video!! Now you got me interested in trying. Have your tried it with the driver yet? Also, you still using the M2 or did you switch drivers? I’m currently using the 2016 M2 but looking to make switch with out breaking the bank.
Thanks Andy! I have tried it with driver yes, but at this point, I need some more work with it. I still have my M2, but I've been using a Gen 2 Bombtech driver as a test for a while.
I scrapped the clothing. I had everything all set, but it was taking up way more of my time than anticipated, so I tabled it. But, I may try again at some point, with a different game plan that would make things much simpler on my end.
To me this method is like Jim Venetos on steroids. It effortlessly adds power to Jim’s inside to out and down swing and path. I keep feeling like this casting/release early in the downswing is going to cause fat shots, but just the opposite the club hits the ground very shallow for perfect contact. It seems like this swing is a natural evolution to where I was going on my own the whole time. Love it.
Thanks Chris and that's great to hear. I've told a few other people this, but wait until next weeks video, haha. It's already filmed and edited, but you'll get a kick out of it.
In the last few months, I've been slowly adding some distance, so it's hard to say really. I can tell you this much; I was on the phone with a friend the other day and they recalled that it wasn't too long ago that I couldn't get my 7 iron past 155 or so. Now 7 iron is 175 or so on the fly.
@@GolfTestDummy He also has a very early scoopy release which a trail hand push would cause...I imagine the ball has to be played back or topping would be an issue especially with irons.. but he always hits up on his driver..
Chad Can I ask you again because you are there …CL? You did try many swing systems but you never tried Channel Lock and low and behold your swing CL I think I remember you took a peak at Channel Lock but I guess it didn’t make sense JH put Channel Lock together years ago for all to use and improve their golfing experience There’s 5 protocols to CL and your using most of them if not all Your camera shots showed you playing the ball off your back foot in some way and when your eyes sees your inside path that’s your channel and the weight on the trail side …yep CL again I’m not sure you’ll agree with me but that’s ok I guys a big Swede is more impressive then a short Aussie The time you could have saved if you’d had checked out more from the little guy from down under Looking forward to seeing more of your great discovery 👍
Hahaha, Steve, you are going to be SO pleased next week. I've already filmed, edited, and uploaded the video and have it scheduled for next Monday. I saw all of the CL protocols in this and had to make the video. You will be very happy next week. Always enjoy your comments and always look for your approval. Tell the Lockers to hang on just one more week.
It takes a special kind of talent and skill to imitate so many different swing methods and still hit a 6 iron 200 yards down the middle. I doubt there are many "dummies" that could pull that off...by the way, us older people always love the stretch pants.
I tried and tried, the result always the same, hitting fat .As far as I am concern keeping the weight on the trail foot means hitting fat all the time because in this way the bottom of the arc is much behind the ball.Sorry but it does not work for me
Yeah, I think it has to be combined with some other elements that just get too far away from what Marcus is teaching. I'm moving away from staying back, and trying to get back to basics.
Nice job, not really sold on the leaving your weigh on my right side, just for me, that doesn’t work I took lessons, and the dude made work on that and a reverse pivot was created not a good feeling, again that is just me. I switched to Marcus method about 2 months ago, it actually works but yes there is a but, the right arm gets tired, then the brain knows the right elbow is suppose to go up, and it stars creating a whole bunch of bad shots, good thing I have kept my old swing the conventional one. At the end of the day, this is just a simpler take mr. Jim flick and mr. bob toski swing for a life time, the arms are the engine, I like Marcus Simple’s way, I will keep at it, heck I play Dunedin donal Ross course from the back tees and shit a 78, so it does works it just feels weird, especially intentionally swinging out, my brain self corrects at lot, but it works. Just keep the fundamentals, and keep your old swing that you have work on with the teaching pro, this is just what works for Marcus, it might don’t work for you.
I'm definitely still in the "figuring things out" phase. The weight on one leg may change for me. I feel like it's changing almost twice a week as I go.
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Thanks!
Hi from Sweden. This is the first time I have really come to grips with Marcus swing , and the one tip that solved it for me is when you said leave your weight on the back leg until you have hit the ball. And staying there is possible because he has the ball further back in the stance.Thanks ! Look forward to your videos .
This method is a lot easier on the body too!!! At 47 I can hit 100 - 300 balls a day with very little soreness.
I agree. My golf and tennis elbow have all but disappeared.
I played Royal County Down on Thursday with 3 members I hit 12/14 fairways and was the longest drive of our foursome on 5 of the holes I was never ever the longest amongst any four ball until I discovered Marcus I rarely play golf these days but I do hit balls almost every day his method has me hitting it further at 62 than I did 30 years when I first started :)
Amazing that you are doing exactly what I am doing with Marcus Edblad instruction. I opened my stance a lot and found it really helped my hip rotation. Put an alignment stick at your heels with your open stance and you will find you are lined up perfectly with your target. I also look at the inside of the ball which to me is 7:30, then move my eyes to the opposite side of the ball which I think of as 1:30. This helps me swing through the ball instead of at the ball. Great channel!
It took me a bit to realize that you swing left-handed (just like Marcus 😉).
Thanks for bringing this method to us Chad. I posted this on his last video where he mentions you are testing his methods.
"Hi Marcus. Your method has grabbed my attention (I follow Chad GTD). I'm a 60 yr old, 7 handicapper--I haven't played for 4 weeks due to injury. On Friday I swung right with an early release and pumped it 245 meters (no warm-up). My first 4 drives were the same then I started overthinking it. Today I applied your concept to my irons and I birdied 2/4 short holes. I have tried the Steve Pratt/Mike Austen release before, I'm also an avid Channel Lock enthusiast (playing off the trail leg). I've had a lot of success with both but there was always the odd shot I would (under pressure) push straight right. Today I set up with my specific CL stance and then concentrated on the trail hand push and left wrist scoop....aah--what a pleasure to see a 4-iron take off with a sharp crack like an Exocet missile to the right with a gentle draw. The problem is I flew 3 greens today (our best "miss" on our course is always short) because I'm flushing the irons and added 10 meters to each club. What a nice problem to have. Thank you so much. Do you have a website? I want to follow your Mesquite/long driver odyssey...I think you're going to rip it..."
Awesome Philip! And thanks for the support. I feel like I've said this so many times in comments today, but just wait until next weeks video. I'm not going to spoil it, but it's already filmed and edited.
Philip, I too have had some success with the Steve Pratt/Mike Austin throw the clubhead early release, For me the difference here is with that method I was still picturing the swing as an around the body rotation. With this one I picture the swing path as almost linear from behind me to the right to in front of me to the right. Just swinging on that line and allowing rotation to just happen naturally. For me its a more effective intention.
@@gatgolf Absolutely 100%. It's now effortless to square up the longer irons and woods. It's amazing the distance you get when you start flushing it out the middle. From 8-iron down to wedges, the right-hand push doesn't have to be so pronounced. I've never hit fairway woods as I did on Sunday...which suddenly changes the dynamic of a par 5. I'm now chipping my 3rd shot as opposed to full wedges and 9 iron. I teed off the whole round with a 5 fairway wood and I kept up with my playing partners hitting drivers...plus I was mostly on the short grass.
@@gatgolf So thinking “linear” works? I’m having a difficult time forgetting the deliberate rotation thought. Thanks.
@@Pooler29 So “linear” is the image? (Man, how I want to ingrain a trusty swing thought!)
Nuts and bolts episode. Excellent dissection of Marcus' method. You can tell that you've really thought this through and experimented. Fantastic work!
I can always count on your support! I'm trying to offer my own insights and twists, but I dont want to derail anybody.
So glad you’re giving his techniques a try I’m a lefty also and Marcus’ explanations are all short and to the point. Thanks again and looking forward to more videos on his swing mechanics.
Larry as a left hander I'm sure that you appreciate finally being represented and provided insights from someone who swings from the same side. And Marcus is a great teacher to boot.
I LOVE that when you dissect a swing, you DO reset your own brain to zero, experience the swing as Marcus suggests, and explain it in a VERY clear way. Not everyone can abandon years of 'methodology' while giving a different swing philosophy a chance to be heard, understood, and succeed. Excellent video.
I believe this Marcus method has over 90 percent of John Hensby’s Channel Lock in it.
The only difference is JH taught:
1. To first aim your club head squarely to your ball directly at your intended target and to have your ball more center or closer to your trail foot.
2. Just before you swing the weight of your club over your trail shoulder you should close your lead shoulder to block your target.
3, Swing the weight of the head of the club inward over your trail shoulder and then with your trail hand swing the weight of your club outward extending your trail arm as you allowing your body to unwind automatically.
For me Channel Lock works perfectly around the green. And takes about 1&1/3 second
Otherwise I simply pull the weight of my club over my trail shoulder then pull the weight of my club under my trail elbow to over my lead shoulder. That’s it! This produces a nice fade for me and is all done in 1&1/3 second.
If I need to draw my ball Marcus and or Channel Lock system works great for me as well. Cheers 😃👍⛳️🥂
Next weeks video is all about comparing this swing with CL and JVGA. Coming Monday!
@@GolfTestDummy will be ‘Locking forward’ to next week😃
Wich is in part based on Count Yogi golf swing
Great to see you so excited !
Marcus is a great teacher.
Is this a breakthrough swing for you ?
Thanks Rich! It's a fantastic method and I've definitely had some breakthroughs with it.
I'm glad that I found your site. I have been practicing Marcus's method during the winter with good results but your video explained the setup a lot better. Thanks!
Enjoy your channel...good balance of humor and technical moments. I live in the states and have been subscribed to Marcus' channel for well over a year. You have his swing dialed. Don't forget to stress that Marcus likes to play with the ball back in his stance. I noticed you've nailed that part as well. If possible I'd love to see you film one of your rounds utilizing his push technique. Keep it up....looking forward to the next video!
Thanks a bunch Matt! I'll have some course vlogs coming.
I went back and watched some of the Swing Surgeons old videos. Heavy right, hands start downswing, head behind ball, toe up...a lot of the same swing thoughts as Marcus. Guy was ahead of his time!
Anytime multiple people who haven't talked with each other reach the same conclusions it's proof of concept, right?
Another teacher he references in his videos is Mike Austin. Especially that “slap release”. Almost a flip.
Mike Austin really has some great stuff out there.
This is one of my favourite videos. Having watched many of Marcus's videos recently I am trying to implement his instruction. This video helped clarify many things. 1) weight on back foot. 2) slightly open the stance (this is massive) 3) swing out to right and toe up.
I have had some excellent results so far. Ball not travelling as far as I would have hoped, but the shape is certainly getting better. I am usually an over the top swinger and this has helped me tremendously.
Let me know if you have any other tips on Marcus' swing.
The eye line part at the end really makes sense.. that's the line you want to take your swing on.. WOW awesone
This is also alot like the Eureka swing method.
This swing method is great for "experienced" golfers. Feels strange but it works! No holding angles or as much worry about positions. Frees up your swing and let's you focus on the target. Found you can take off some of the draw spin if you need to by starting with a slightly open club face. So much easier on the body with this swing. I too had great success with Mike Austin method and feel this is similar but much easier to hit a draw!
Marcus sent me here, been watching his videos for a while now. Subscribed!
Much appreciated!
Ok Chad...believe this or not, but I started keeping my eyes behind the ball (like you demonstrated) about 2 months ago and you're right...it works! Haven't tried the rest of the Edblad method yet, but it seems pretty similar to what I've done naturally for decades. It seems to help me to keep the trail foot weight on the inside of the foot or on the center. If the weight goes to the outside of the foot, results are not good or consistent. By the way, I like the new backdrop.
Thanks a bunch! And yeah, the eyes thing makes sense, right? I mean, if you tilted your head to one side so that you could see to use a hammer to drive a nail, you'd look at the spot you wanted to hit.
8:40, that idea is similar to other great coaches that talk about swinging to the 4:30 line, has helped me tremendously😊
I'm 71 and I only heard one person say hit with right or trailer hand. I always hit with the right hand and staying behind the ball just seem the natural thing to do. I never told anyone to do this because everyone taught the opposite so I just keep quiet. It's nice to know someone else thinks similar to me, thank you.
Haha, it's amazing how there are so many ways out there, and everybody has it right all the time. We put so much faith and trust in coaches to know everything, and forget to trust ourselves.
I'm so happy you and Marcus are teaming up on this. I have 3 different simple thoughts to hit a golf ball. They all work. Marcus' swing thoughts however have provided more consistency then the other methods and I hit way more draws.
I'm glad everyone is enjoying this whole series. Plenty more to come!
It has similarities to Channel Lock swing. Marcus has a lot of videos on YT to view. I have been using his swing with driver for a few months. I didn't happen instantly ,but when I got it, the distance gain was worth it. I am 10 days out from right hip total replacement, so for the next few months once I get back to playing, I will probably revert to JV swing with weight on my good hip. In contrast a senior player with a left hip/ knee issue, might benefit from this swing or channel lock method ( trail side) weighted. For example, my wife tried the JV swing method/ stack& tilt , but it aggravated he left knee ski injury.
Thanks for your enquiring mind Chad. I have really enjoyed following your journey, taking up some ideas and discarding some that were not a good fit with what worked for me.
Hope the hip surgery goes well Kym! Get back on the horse as soon as you can.
@@GolfTestDummy oops I meant 10 days post surgery. I am walking with the aid of a stick. I bought a ball pick up device so I will be practising short game stuff only for 12 weeks and walking the course for a exercise.
Thanks Chad for introducing Marcus E. His method really resonates with me!
I’ve hit some of my best ever fairway woods since adopting his ideas. Still a bit patchy and discovering the limits but the change has disrupted my tendency to swing weakly over the top! Thanks again 👏😜🙏
That's great to hear! I've still got some bugs to work out, too.
Great video! You actually showed the ball position and that helps me know where to place the ball when I practice swing. What about using this swing for wedge shots? Also, I have subscribed to your channel.
Hi Chad, great to see your channel growing and you're still putting so much heart into it! Keep it up!
After your review, I watched the videos of Marcus.
Thanks for pointing me to this great channel! I had a lot of fun on the range today!
Thanks so much, Martin. I've got plenty more work to do to lock this one down, but it's such an easy approach, I have high expectations.
But he doesn’t say anywhere on his website to place ball on the back foot,,or I missed it
@@robertoballerini52 th-cam.com/video/L6g6Mhkkpk8/w-d-xo.html&feature=share&si=ELPmzJkDCLju2KnD5oyZMQ here Marcus is pointing out the ball position for the Driver. He recommends a farther back ball position for the irons, but I can't find the video at the moment. Hope that helps
Too much thinking about the body for me . Trying to stay external as you mention in other vids . Thanks for your enthusiasm .
It can definitely backfire if you get too internal. You're right.
I owe you an apology , when I wrote you the last time about your comments on Jim venetos golf swing, I truly believe it is a golf swing for the non athletic person who wants to play golf and have fun . However for the small percentage of people who want to become a true single digit handicap your video’s really do bring s sense of value to the true golfer who can achieve a real low handicap with hundreds if not thousands of hours of practice, I was a 4 real handicap before 2 back surgeries found venetos and it actually brought me back to golf , now after one year I am transitioning back to my old swing and your videos have really helped me along I am going to subscribe to your channel and support you along with venetos. And Marcus Edblad knows the golf swing that’s how I used to swing the club I am finally able to get back to it. Keep up the good work again my apologies. Guy Ghini.
No apologies needed. My opinions are just that; Opinions.
It will be exciting to see where this is going. 😁
Hopefully it's going to better golf, haha. I'll keep working to get better with it, but you make it look effortless, as if you could birdie every hole.
Hey Chad ,Hope Your Well . I Found Marcus an Couple of Months ago and as an Player that has Had 6 knee Surgeries on My Left Knee , Total replacement and 2 revisions ,Still not right Am right Handed this Swing is just Phenomenal for Me ,Just 1 Surgery on right Knee and 65 years Old am just Smoking the Ball and can Draw on command even Hook , Though if I swing too hard get Low Snap Hook , But Brother Marcus is Amazing and Quick to Answer also an Laid Back Gentleman as Are You!
Great to hear your progress Daryl, and thanks a bunch!
Hi Chad,
Clearly, the protocol mechanical geometry principles of the "Channel Lock" swing are endemic in this swing derivation of the Channel Lock swing.
What was surprising to me was the fact of you not relating to in any intrinsic detail relative to what I believe is the absolute geometric lynch pin of the swing principal application.. that being the 'trail foot ball position at address/impact'.
In order for the weight to remain in the trail vertical body axis coming into.. and at impact .. it is body structure position imperative that the ball is positioned off the trail foot at impact in order for the club path to tack itself in to out at impact with the degree of transversing angularity across the target line at impact necessary to start the ball away from the target line .. and manifest the push draw ball flight.. every time.
In order to achieve the degree of in to out/across the target line at impact.. the shoulder girdle must be in a state of closure at impact.. that can never be guaranteed with a forward of body center ball positioning at address/impact.. the ball must be positioned off the trail foot to ensure the shoulder girdle will always be closed at impact.. hence I think that part of the swing foundational structural application is really the 'Atomic Particle' of the swing structure.
I know you were clearly doing an 'introduction' explanation of the swing principle and obviously will be doing follow-up videos with more in-depth structural information about the swing .. which I have no doubt the trail foot ball positioning aspect will be a big part of your swing project analysis.
I must congratulate you on your new video presentation visuals .. the quality of audio and the picture definition is great.. an indoor setting always helps with sound and visual control consistency doesn't it.. and as always your verbal presentation is clear and concise in explanation..keep up the journey of investigation and learning of all things Golf Swing.. as you and I know only too well .. the Golf Swing will always be a journey of exploration that will have no final destination...which I personally think is the real lure of the journey.
cheers JH
So great to hear from you JH! Haven't spoken to you in a while and always love getting your thoughts. I'll tell you, you HAVE to tune in next Monday. I filmed the next video over a week ago and had it uploaded and scheduled, and it's absolutely brutal to see all of the Lockers freaking out, haha. The big payoff is next week, so be patient with me.
Hi Chad,
Looking forward to your next video.. I think your diligence of approach to the explanation of a Golf Swing derivation of applied mechanics/dynamics/geometry will always be beneficial to the rank and file Golfer...different slants on basic principles of a swing theme are always good for the variance of uptake that golfers in general have.
The coupling of the swing geometry you are espousing in this specific swing type and the Channel Lock base swing principles.. will definitely reinforce to Golfers the swing's unique potential for obtaining a consistent 'starting' direction ball flight Golf Swing.
I am sure you will provide a great support vehicle to the 'Locker' clan with your explanation insight of the swing dynamics/geometry etc that you will be continuing to explore in your coming videos ...every new discovery in every field of sports dynamics has benefitted from an amalgam of research development.. simply equated.. the more minds investigating the subject.. the more complete and refined the analysis becomes...
Cheers .. JH
Congrats Chad amigo on the new sponsors or partners. Glad you making it great.
Thank you very much Guss. I really really hope that more people can enjoy the simulators in the near future.
Interesting! I use part of the Jim Veneto method, this looks totally opposite of his method. I will give it a try if it works to or me I will stay with it as rotation is an issue, as I have foot drop on my right foot. Iam left handed so its my front foot. I like the Jim Veneto method so this will have to work well for me from the start.
Hi chad, i got a lesson from Marcus recently… i have a question. How do you carry a 6 iron 197 with just 78.4 mph? The reason im asking is that i swing my 6iron around 88-91 mph.. but i carry around 175-180.. what could be the flaw? My flight pattern is a draw
Just got back from the driving range after hitting a couple hundred balls. I moved the ball back about one inch. For my driver in the middle of my stance and for all other clubs one inch back. The open stance and ball position allows me to swing more in to out. My miss which is a pull draw is gone. Which means I will hit most fairways and greens next week. I will not change anything else especially weight or pivot. My swing is just to repeatable and accurate to change at this point.
Thanks Chad and Marcus
you guys are stud muffins
Haha, great to hear Mike. Just make sure your bag doesn't look stupid.
Hey Chad ... would it be fair to say that your ball position favors your right foot vs. the center of your stance? Could be the camera angle. Maybe a chalk line showing the target direction vs. stance and ball position would be helpful to some of us. Thanks for reviewing this technique ... I'm excited to give it my best. =)
Absolutely George. I think I mentioned that in this video and the next video coming up as well. Hope it works well for you! I'll have to add in some other angles maybe.
Chad, a couple of observations. By promoting the weight on your trail leg you are more likely to have a consistent low point in your swing. This is kind of the opposite of stack and tilt where they keep the weight forward.
Yes sir, agreed. Much easier to have a consistent low point on a single axis.
Your doing fantastic.Ilike your review and your open mind. Sometimes change is good.
Much appreciated Don. Sometimes when I make these videos I wonder if people will actually enjoy it, or think I'm some sort of psycho. It's a coin toss.
It worked great right off the bat. I a 61 years old . 6’3 -215 lbs. I have never hit as far or accurate. My question is I understand stand the swing path to the right, but at address is the club face alittle right as well? I have been doing that and the ball seems to go straight most of the time or a little draw. Should I have club face square to target or a little right ? Thanks
Thats fantastic Bill! Starting line and curvature of the flight of the ball is determined by clubface relative to path. So if your path is in to out, and the face is square to that path, the ball will go straight.
Yes sir! Thanks
@@GolfTestDummy I am not sure if I was clear . My ball is going straight to target. Club face is slightly open to the right. When I swing inside out, the ball ends up goin straight at the target which is a good thing ! Lol. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t supposed to have my club face at the target and swing inside out! Thanks
Been working on this (Edblad) for a few weeks within rounds. Works great for my driver. Can't seem to find the right ball position for irons. Good explanation/breakdown on this vid.
I'd say just keep creeping the ball back in your stance a tiny bit at a time and you will know when you are finally there (with the irons). It's just a matter of getting it far enough back that it's impossible to do anything but hit it straight or have a small draw (because the ball is so far back you will not be able to cut across it and impart slice spin). When you get to that point the only other thing you must make sure of is to not be late with the release.
It's just a matter of time and trying little tweaks. Try making swings without the ball. Find your consistent low point first, and then learn to place the ball BEFORE the low point. From there, don't manipulate your swing, just let it do the same thing as when the ball wasn't there.
Agreed. It's tough to implement something so foreign, especially when you've got really ingrained habits.
Im off 5 and using Edblads swing for my irons Feel and real are different...your rhand release will shift weight naturally to the left heel as you would if throwing a stone. ie Body is reacting here...not the trigger for the swing. Think Fred couples smooth and loose wrists as you takeaway and release and you will get effortless feel. Wait for the swing...feel the clubhead fall..dont hit. Dont be afraid to swing in to out a lot ...and feel rhand has face closed back and through' especially as you drop the club and let it release from hip height...toss the stonw on water!!
Great thoughts here. Let the club move your body, skipping the stone, etc. Love this.
I really don't know what swing method I use. It must not be the prettiest because it goes in streaks where total strangers at the range will come up to me and try to correct my swing. Or they say, don't know how you do it but your straight with good distance. I have olny 2 swing thoughts. Compress the ball with forward shaft lean. Keep the face and swing path square to the target through the impact zone.
That's all that matters, and really, there just aren't enough instructors teaching that results don't lie.
Hi, Chad, Your new setup looks like channel lock, it works for my short irons but for woods always problem.
At one point I was, yes. But now, my setup leans more toward conventional.
I try to copy your swing in practice course today and found the open stance is better than close one as CL does.
Super interested to try the weight on the trail foot/head behind the ball, looking forward to more videos!
Every Pro stays on his right foot until impact, watch them and you'll see that the right foot does this push move at impact, then releases after impact, almost a 2 part thing.
It's nothing new, why do you think that Ben Hogan had an extra spike fitted to his RIGHT golf shoe?
Jack Nicklaus advises to roll the right foot THROUGH impact before lifting it, same deal.
Yeah this method is so much simpler and natural than the lag, angels method - lock and load throwing motion in to out. Had to unlearn a lot in changing my swing..
Thanks for this video. It answered my question about weight shift. Good stuff!
That's so good to hear! Best of luck Brian.
Hi Chad - Would you mind answering a quick question? I have watched all of your videos on Marcus Edblad and have been down a rabbit hole with his and your channel over the past 4 months. My misses are constantly the push out to the right and its not drawing back to the left. (sounds like you had a similar issue that you highlighted in a video). Is that because my grip needs to be stronger or am I not releasing early enough, which is what you realized? Do you use a slightly strong grip when you hit the draw with this method? I am just trying to figure out the push draw and how to get more of the draw then the push without overcooking it and causing a pull hook so trying to see if its just a grip issue or if my timing of the release needs more practice. Thank you for your help!
Try getting to a "toe up" position when your club is level to the ground through impact.
Glad to see your back testing swing methods again. Quick question are you still using Garmin R10? If so not that you have used for quite awhile...... Is it pretty accurate for carry yards to what you hit on the course?
Thanks John. And yes, I'm still using the R10. When it comes to irons and even hybrid, I've found it to be very accurate and representative of what I see in the real world. Driver and 3 wood are a bit off, but not by much.
Loving this Chad! I been focusing on the release, especially with the driver..releasing earlier so I can hit up on it has me crushing drives. I’m sure you will be covering that soon. Also, will you be talking more about 24/7 golf? Thanks brother see you in the next one!
Glad you're enjoying it SI! I'll be getting into driver and a review of 24/7 very soon.
How did you figure out to load the weight on the trail side? I've watched so many of his videos and he didn't mention this once.
Looking forward to this series as much as I am with a new Lord of The Rings. Riveting content!!!!
Haha, thanks Brent. Marcus didn't mention it, it's just trial and error on my part. Experimenting until I feel things start working. Plus, he's using the trail arm, so it made sense to load the trail side.
Chad appreciate this review as I recently been working on Edblad swing. Through short experience this far am hitting the irons pretty good but struggle with Driver ? Any tips you found helped get more friendly with his Driver method ?
It depends really on what about your ball flight isn't turning out how you like. For me personally, I had the feeling of getting the toe up on the follow through, along with the feeling of hitting the bottom of the ball. That gave me a lot of height AND the heavy draw.
I’m doing this at the moment, gained length and better scores still in the early stages. It suits me as my left knee is screwed.
That's awesome Timmy. With a left knee issue, this will definitely help you avoid too much pressure and activity on the left leg.
Chad - A very good video. You have certainly taken to this swing concept - well done.
Thank you George! I love that he keeps it very simple, and there's none of that modern golf dogma in it
this is almost a little Venetos-y but with the ball further back in your stance and using the back foot rather than the front. really interesting.
His concept is very similar to Steve johnstons eureka golf swing . Feet open..shoulders square..then swing right. Amazing results as well.
Really good Chad, Marcus teaches easy to apply practice habits that a lot of average golfers don’t take the time for, hope we see you on the course with his teaching, gonna take me some time going from right hand submissive to right hand releasing for speed
Jim I agree, because I was going lead hand dominant before this as well. I have already filmed and edited a video for next week that directly compares a trail side versus a lead side. Pretty interesting.
@@GolfTestDummy the thing I’m most encouraged by, is that practicing what Marcus does teaches control of the club face, can’t wait to see you do a 9 hole video with this
Awesome, gone try it. Love it
Always good to try at least. If it doesn't work, no harm done.
backdrop looks so good!!
You're well on the way to becoming the most interesting golf guy on youtube after that pants promo :-) Kidding aside, I've found that the modern stretch integration in pants is definitely a major plus especially as I've gotten far better at stretching them in general (even without doing much).
The swing is looking very good in many respects and you are really slinging the shaft which is one of the main sources of power in the golf swing. It should be possible to easily hit a draw with a swing like Marcus' when hitting off the back foot without your adaptations if you are hitting the ball back in your stance because the club will naturally come from the inside.
The reason it's somewhat harder for you and you need the adaptations is because your arm action is different than his (as I mentioned last week) and his is proper. The fact that your trail elbow is travelling so far to the rear of your body and your club is crossing the line a fair bit back there. so the shaft is way out of aligment with your shoulder turn. This is why you need to make adaptations to push the club from inside to outside and this is also what delays getting the trail elbow into your trail side. The ideal leverage swinging from the inside with any given club (but especially a longer club) is going to happen when the trail elbow is immediately starting down into the trail side from the same direction as the arms are swinging.
This is why your changes of weight back and head turned to the trail side are necessary (or more so), because that helps you swing from the inside with your disadvantaged arm position and as I said last week it will be harder to use these adaptations with longer clubs because in effect what you are doing is introducing something that allows you to wait in order for the club get in position to be swinging from the inside which the weight back and head position change helps.
You will notice that he keeps the arms more in front of his chest, folds the trail arm quickly and gets the club moving up quickly. All of this is keeping the club in synch with the motion of his chest. This means that his arms can naturally swing down from the inside and in synch with motion of his center of chest. The sign that this has happened at the top is that his club is across the line but the shaft is MUCH more in Iine with his shoulders at the top than is yours. The more out of line the club is with your shoulders at the top, the more you will have to wait for the club to get behind your turn, or lose your spine angle, hip depth etc., and especially as the club gets longer. This means power loss with longer clubs particularly and probably with very short ones as well.
Study how he is getting the club shaft in line with his shoulder movement during the takeaway and keeping that alignment at the top. It's actually a very tight motion of the trail arm and elbows while he is producing a very large shoulder turn so that the arm motion almost seems short if you examine the path of the elbows.
A tight cocking of the wrists combined with this tight elbow motion and a big turn is probably the most effecient possible mechanism for producing power in the golf swing. Many people lose a lot of power through even slight inaccuracies in their arm and wrist motion because the ulitmate power source in the golf swing is being able to accelerate the clubhead immediately from the top with a tight rotational center. As we all know, sometimes less is more and this is definitely often true with the arms and wrists in the golf swing.
If you can improve that, you really will have arrived at a very fine swing motion which will work equally well throughout the bag. Shared with the best of intentions. Cheers.
It makes sense. I think I actually followed that one pretty well. I think a lot of my unique arm, wrist, elbow, etc motions are the result of the right wrist. It just doesn't function normally without sharp pains. This seems to be the natural byproduct of that.
@@GolfTestDummy Well there is an increased wrist cock on the way down that naturally occurs. I have determined that it is predominantly a motion where the back of the hand moves towards the same side of the forearm (extension) and there is also extra force towards the thumb side of the wrist. If these areas cause problems for you then a tighter motion would be problematic for you.
However, I also experimented with different motions and if you have a tighter arm and elbow motion in the backswing but with a longer trail arm during the backswing, there is less of that particular stress on the wrist during the downswing. This is a swing where you feel as though you are taking the club well to the outside (although you actually aren't) during the early takeaway but you still have a nice tight motion of the arms, elbows and wrists. You end up feeling like you are pushing the club more on the downswing. So it will end up looking somewhat more like Steve Stricker's swing. That might be an option for you to try which might give you more power with longer clubs. It doesn't leverage the wrists as much as some swings but still provides good power and it is fairly easy to get the club on plane that way which, I believe , is why Stricker adopted it. Cheers.
Very interesting but no explanation about the ball position ?
I think I showed it with a face on view with an iron, but you're not the only one to mention it, so I'll have to do better.
could you show ball position by inches from back foot
Eager to see this on the course my friend. I played 9 yesterday and went home. I have officially deconstructed my swing at this point. Normally this is when I give up and move on to something else and then wonder a year from now why I am not better. Gonna try to ride this out ( though I said the same thing with One Plane). Something about this one has me intrigued, hope it isn't the accents.
Haha, ah yes. The accents. I don't know if you can get more different than Swedish compared to busted-ass Southern.
@@GolfTestDummy I'm from Oklahoma so I got the hick part covered, throw some Swedish on top of that.
@@GolfTestDummy Wait till you hear an English-speaking South African....we have about 5 different accents and 11 official languages.
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Does this change the ball position?
Neutral grip, flat left wrist at top, open stance? Great stuff.
Thanks John!
Trying to fix what I’ve been doing wrong for decades can be difficult for this 55 year old. Cool that you can incorporate different swing styles and techniques without missing a beat.
Haha, you're too kind. I miss plenty of beats. Thanks a bunch for the positive comment.
PLHR. Pre loaded heavy right.... Old school vertical swing thought from Trehan.
Haha, I love the anagram. (Anagram, right?)
Love this mate, doing a great job
Gracias amigo.
It would be nice if you went more in detail in regards to ball position. You can not be like Jimenez or Marcus until you grow a ponytail and buy a mens golfbag. Myrtle beach here I come . Oyea !
Closer to the backfoot. With all clubs.
Oh hell, I didn't even pick up on the ponytail connection. Good eye, good eye.
If you swing right , would the club face at address aim right of Target?
@@2be379 If I swing right or AKA in to out the clubface is aimed straight at my target at address but is closed relative to swing path. This will guarantee a draw. It eliminates a pull draw or the left side of the golf course. It can open the door to a straight push if the release is late. Move the ball position in the middle of stance ,open up just a touch and get that mental image of an in to out swing path. This is some great stuff.
A straight push is much better than a pull draw. I deliberately held the release late and it ended up as a push everytime. A pull is my worst miss. If I pull a shot it goes very long and left. This small adjustment eliminates that miss.
Nice added insight very helpful
On the downswing does the trail hand dominate and at what point ( before,at, or past impact) does it pass the lead hand ?
Definitely trail hand dominates, and it's in the process of passing it throughout the whole downswing, with the ultimate intention being the toe of the club going up after impact.
@@GolfTestDummy Also I notice that the ball position is back in your stance. Does this help in hitting the ball early on the arc?
It seems when I play the ball in the middle or slightly forward of middle, that when I swing in to out I end up releasing too soon in order to make contact and the ball flight is inconsistent
It helps more with hitting from the inside to produce the draw.
Ok. Thanks for the quick response. I will try a slightly back of middle ball position
I am still struggling finding any additional distance. I see you have found it with your irons. Can you shoot me a note about where you feel this distance is coming from. I am missing something, I am hitting it solid but the ball isn't going any further than normal.
It's really hard to say when I'm not looking at it, but I can tell you that I've had some ups and downs, and I can share my experiences. I've appreciated your support so I'm happy to try, but this might get long winded.
In the beginning with this approach, I wasn't finding additional distance. My ball flight changed, but kind of the same yardages. Once I started to embrace a "back of center" ball position, it helped a bit. Then, just watching Marcus, it APPEARED to me, that his weight at address favored his trail side. Maybe I'm wrong. But, I started to put more weight on my trail foot. It stabilized things for me, but the ball came out lower, so it wasn't longer. Then, I made my own intuitive leap and said, "If the power comes from the trail arm, and my weight favors my trail side, maybe I should act as if I only have a trail side, and never employ my lead side." (Except to keep myself from falling) So, I started to hang back on my trail side, really "dig into it", and the ball flight went much higher, carried further, turned over into a draw, and boom. I was hitting it a touch further every so often.
Now, however, I just experienced 3 straight days of "losing my swing", and everything being back to normal distances. Frustration set in, not gonna lie. I believe it was because many people were saying that what I was doing was wrong, I was hit with doubt, and so I stopped doing the weight staying back thing. I hit bad shot after bad shot for days. Constantly.
As of 2 days ago however, I found it again, but in a different way this time. This time, I put my focus on Marcus's references to hockey. How his trail hand passes the lead hand because it's faster, and he also demonstrates. That clicked something. I remembered that during the bad ball striking I was taking my hands at the top, and making a bee line for the ball. That's bad. I needed to bring the hands down first, THEN, move the trail hand forward.
Next weeks video is driver. Might be good. Might be a disaster. Either way, I'm keeping it real, as it happens, and I'm not going to add my two cents on anything. Just gonna hit driver, leave my own thoughts out of it, and film it.
Hope this helps.
@@GolfTestDummy Thank you man, this does help some. I struggle to feel my trail hand pass my lead hand and I think I am turning too much and or too fast, but my ball flight has been good and high and either straight or with a little draw. I am going to keep at it.
One other thing I'd say, and again, just my experience, but another thing I experimented with was....
If I can't make my trail hand faster, what if I made my lead hand slower....? So that the difference between them was greater, resulting in a bigger speed imbalance, and a higher efficiency. Try it.
@@GolfTestDummy That may be what I need to do, I feel like I am still turning everything very fast and a faster trail hand hasn't materialized for me yet. I will try that today.
TH-cam is at it again, subscribed to your channel as always, bell on for full notification and yet I have to find out about your new content via a different channel. That's terrible.
Yep. Even my wife has the same issue. No notification. Pretty ridiculous.
Thanks for the video. I can tell with those karate kicks you're pretty athletic 😜. Would you recommend being able to control low point or impact before trying these methods
Much appreciated Ryan! In my opinion, with any method, low point control and consistency would be king. Impact will be heavily influenced by low point. Clubface control is huge as well, but the best clubface in the world can't do its job if it's not in the right spot.
Chad- you say by opening up your stance, it promotes a draw. I thought an open stance promoted a fade?
Thanks for the comment. To be clear with this one, I'm just reviewing what Marcus teaches. But, to your question; I've heard the exact same thing as you for years. Closed stance is for a draw. Open stance is for a fade. But in the last few years, I've seen people show draws and fades from all sorts of setups. Some of them even extreme. In this occurrence, I believe Marcus says that you don't HAVE to stand a bit open, but he feels it helps to drop the club from the inside a bit more. I'm unsure of the science behind it, but in my experience so far, it feels pretty good and I'm hitting draws.
This violates Jim Venetos setup method, weight over 60/40 over left foot. I'll try, it's logical. Thank you for your devotion.
Thanks Paul, and be sure to check next week's video. I'll bet you find it interesting.
I don't know, Chad...This approach seems similar in many ways to J.H.'s 'channellock swing': Staying back on the trail side, his 'five-o-clock nose' head position, swinging to 'left field' etc. And opening your stance has the practical effect of moving the ball back towards your trail foot, another aspect of J.H.'s methodology. Am I reading too much into this?
Nope, not reading too much in at all. Next week's video is a direct comparison with Channel Lock and another swing. Stay tuned!
Great video!! Now you got me interested in trying. Have your tried it with the driver yet? Also, you still using the M2 or did you switch drivers?
I’m currently using the 2016 M2 but looking to make switch with out breaking the bank.
Thanks Andy! I have tried it with driver yes, but at this point, I need some more work with it. I still have my M2, but I've been using a Gen 2 Bombtech driver as a test for a while.
Keep up the great videos. Let me know how you like the driver.
So far, so good. When I finally get time, I hope to do a review video, but just way too much going on right now.
This is very very similar to the Eureka golf swing...he has a TH-cam channel..focusses on the open stance and in to out swing path 👍
Steve Johnston in Scotland. Yes sir, I've seen his stuff.
draw target line and swing path please
How do I order the 5 pocket stretch pants?
I scrapped the clothing. I had everything all set, but it was taking up way more of my time than anticipated, so I tabled it. But, I may try again at some point, with a different game plan that would make things much simpler on my end.
I have been following Marcus for years. His method is effortless on the body.
Start from Zero....fabulous advice.
Much appreciated RR!
Awesome as always! Have you finally found your swing?
Haha, I wish I could say yes to that, but if I put that particular hat ON.... I have to take off the Test Dummy hat I normally wear.
@@GolfTestDummy lol tis true…maybe your swing in secret…My lips are sealed 😂
At some point I’d love the see you try Paul Wilson’s “Body Swing”.
Maybe one day.
Wow the opposite of the Marcus swing. You are very talented to try all these swings and not get totally messed up. I couldn’t do it. Lol
Oh I get messed up sometimes, haha.
To me this method is like Jim Venetos on steroids. It effortlessly adds power to Jim’s inside to out and down swing and path. I keep feeling like this casting/release early in the downswing is going to cause fat shots, but just the opposite the club hits the ground very shallow for perfect contact. It seems like this swing is a natural evolution to where I was going on my own the whole time. Love it.
Thanks Chris and that's great to hear. I've told a few other people this, but wait until next weeks video, haha. It's already filmed and edited, but you'll get a kick out of it.
@@GolfTestDummy How many yards (say with a 7 iron) did you add with this over your "swing in a circle" swing?
In the last few months, I've been slowly adding some distance, so it's hard to say really. I can tell you this much; I was on the phone with a friend the other day and they recalled that it wasn't too long ago that I couldn't get my 7 iron past 155 or so. Now 7 iron is 175 or so on the fly.
Seems similar to the eureka swing. Open stance. Swing to the outside.
Yes . Very similar.
Yeah, I can see that.
@@GolfTestDummy look forward to rest of review.
The outro comments was probably the best summarization of a mission statement for GTD.
Man. That might be true. In the end that really is a good thought. Forget what's in the past, move forward from a clean slate.
Do you use the ten finger grips?
Yep. I switched to it a few months back, after being an overlap grip for most of my golf life.
how far back in your stance are you putting the ball ?
With irons, probably 6 inches inside my foot? Maybe?
@@GolfTestDummy cool ...it always looks like Marcus is playing the ball back a little with an open stance..could be the camera angle ?
No, he also talks about playing the ball back of middle.
@@GolfTestDummy He also has a very early scoopy release which a trail hand push would cause...I imagine the ball has to be played back or topping would be an issue especially with irons.. but he always hits up on his driver..
Chad
Can I ask you again because you are there …CL?
You did try many swing systems but you never tried Channel Lock and low and behold your swing CL
I think I remember you took a peak at Channel Lock but I guess it didn’t make sense
JH put Channel Lock together years ago for all to use and improve their golfing experience
There’s 5 protocols to CL and your using most of them if not all
Your camera shots showed you playing the ball off your back foot in some way and when your eyes sees your inside path that’s your channel and the weight on the trail side …yep CL again
I’m not sure you’ll agree with me but that’s ok
I guys a big Swede is more impressive then a short Aussie
The time you could have saved if you’d had checked out more from the little guy from down under
Looking forward to seeing more of your great discovery 👍
Hahaha, Steve, you are going to be SO pleased next week. I've already filmed, edited, and uploaded the video and have it scheduled for next Monday. I saw all of the CL protocols in this and had to make the video. You will be very happy next week. Always enjoy your comments and always look for your approval. Tell the Lockers to hang on just one more week.
@@GolfTestDummy looking forward to it.
It takes a special kind of talent and skill to imitate so many different swing methods and still hit a 6 iron 200 yards down the middle. I doubt there are many "dummies" that could pull that off...by the way, us older people always love the stretch pants.
The older I get, them more I appreciate polyester and spandex, haha.
@@GolfTestDummyI couldn’t find a link to them. How do I find them?
Isn't this very similar to Tom Lehman's swing where he started open but always hit a draw?
I tried and tried, the result always the same, hitting fat .As far as I am concern keeping the weight on the trail foot means hitting fat all the time because in this way the bottom of the arc is much behind the ball.Sorry but it does not work for me
Yeah, I think it has to be combined with some other elements that just get too far away from what Marcus is teaching. I'm moving away from staying back, and trying to get back to basics.
There has gotta be something to planting weight off your trail leg and pushing from behind the ball. Marcus consistently hits driver 300+ yards
Agreed, and I feel like a total moron for not really having a light bulb moment before now.
The tilting of your eye line to the right is probably the major reason this is working.
I have to agree. Shawn Clement, Channel Lock, and now what this method is teaching me all seem to confirm that.
Brilliant!! 👍
I LIKE IT!
your ball position looks like it is in line with your trail heel.
Not dead on it, but I'd say with an iron about 6 inches from the trail foot?
Similar to Jim Venetos, looks great 👍
Funny you say that..... wait until next weeks video. It's already filmed, edited, and scheduled. You'll get a laugh.
what Mr Kipling said!!
Nice job, not really sold on the leaving your weigh on my right side, just for me, that doesn’t work I took lessons, and the dude made work on that and a reverse pivot was created not a good feeling, again that is just me.
I switched to Marcus method about 2 months ago, it actually works but yes there is a but, the right arm gets tired, then the brain knows the right elbow is suppose to go up, and it stars creating a whole bunch of bad shots, good thing I have kept my old swing the conventional one.
At the end of the day, this is just a simpler take mr. Jim flick and mr. bob toski swing for a life time, the arms are the engine, I like Marcus Simple’s way, I will keep at it, heck I play Dunedin donal Ross course from the back tees and shit a 78, so it does works it just feels weird, especially intentionally swinging out, my brain self corrects at lot, but it works.
Just keep the fundamentals, and keep your old swing that you have work on with the teaching pro, this is just what works for Marcus, it might don’t work for you.
I'm definitely still in the "figuring things out" phase. The weight on one leg may change for me. I feel like it's changing almost twice a week as I go.
He mentioned you on his video.
That's 2 videos now, lol.