That's kind of debatable because of the reason for it's current placement, which has little to do with Ho-Oh's actual strengths. Rock types, Rock coverage attacks, Stealth Rocks (or just the existence of the Rock type in general) are nonexistant in Ubers yet are extremely prevalent everywhere else, meaning that Ho-Oh in the weirdest reversal of tiering is worse the lower the tier its used in, but better the higher the tier. Ironically, attempting to use Ho-Oh in any tier that isn't Uber is suicidal due to how Rock-heavy those tiers are, which is the extreme reversal of everything else.
@@joshuakim5240 Ou is not that rock heavy tho. Tyranitar is the only relevant rock type, and only lando-t, excadrill and garchomp really use rock coverage. I feel like Ho-Oh would destroy OU since its so fat that it can setup on basically anithing that does not have rock coverage. And defensively would be even worse. Just imagine a toxapex, ferrothorn, Ho-Oh core.
@@joshuakim5240 ah, and it also has a double stab that is absolutely perfect to destroy the tier. Fire flying stab+ground coverage has no switch-ins, it can't be burnt since it is a fire type. Only garchomp could really do something to stop the bird, but it won't take a lot of brave birds to take chomp out.
It's now got Flare Blitz to compliment it's Brave Bird. So with Heavy Duty Boots/Regenerator and a mix of Recover and Iron Head. You get a harder to kill Magic Bird
gen 4 won't it was unplayable because of the restriction to its evs and people just "recently" found out a way to glitch their way to the azule flute arceus which can get its stats maxed out. Smogon doesn't allow full ev arceus at all in gen 4 Ubers. But there is still a lot to cover since e-killer was always viable alongside 5 others while the few others like bug were not to viable.
@@FenrisRM thats Normal arceus' nickname. also short for Extreme Killer since it uses Sword Dance and finish off Pokemon with Extreme Speed which is a +2 priority move. It is one of the most consistent arceus forme over the years
I recently competed in an online tournament using Ho-oh. It had Sacred Fire, Brave Bird, Earthquake and Natural Gift with an adamant nature. Why Natural Gift you may ask? I saw that if holding a Leichi berry, it becomes a grass type attack and has a base attack of 80. It was used to counter water, rock and ground types. I know it sounds outlandish and gimmicky but it can help in most situations and catch opponents off guard.
It's so hard to cook turkey right, it dries out so easily. It's definitely low on the list of bird meat. Not sure how it has such a dominant presence at Smogen Thanksgiving.
Loved to see how Ho-oh goes from "worst Uber" to decent staple over the generations in Ubers. Also will we stall grass further this time? Poor Torterra
@@crashgrimm6993 Well, yeah. (The thing is you gotta type the early comments quickly so that people notice, so couldn't find time to use a better word) Also it was decent before USUM defog, making it more amazing after that.
@@Skullhawk13 The loss of your Fire type from Burn-Up stays until you swap out. So you use Burn-Up to become a pure flying type, and then you use Roost to become typeless for that turn.
19:05 I'd give it some type of item which either reduced or completely removed hazard damage, could be some type of boots, like those safety boots used for Heavy duty work. Oh wait...
I don't play competitive Pokemon (though I've picked up a passing knowledge of it over time, in no small part thanks to this series) but... does the community as a whole feel good about Stealth Rocks, or does it get a lot of hate? It seems like a move that defines the meta to such an extent and makes such a large portion of cool Pokemon unusable in high tiers that it seems like a real bummer. (I know that I really, really hate similarly limiting/meta-reducing things in games that I play competitively.)
It's a love it/hate it affair. Some love it because it and spikes can put stall teams on the back foot, forcing them to either take damage on switching to pivots or risk spending a turn not healing or defense boosting. Others hate it because it basically forced almost every fire or flying type in the whole game down a tier or two because of how prominent it was.
It's a 50/50, SR helps Pokemon get certain KOs as well as making some Pokemon very good leads because of their access to them, however it does make a lot of Pokemon bad because of the damage.
imagine if it got a primal with these stats HP: 106 Attack: 140 Defence: 150 Sp Atk: 110 Sp Def: 174 Speed: 100 Ability: Regenerator Defog / Recover Sacred Fire Brave Bird Substitute / Thunder / Earthquake it would be the bane of everyone's existence cause the stall would be insane
@@crinjal_mrp There is one in rom hack called radical red with custom ability Primal Armor which reduces super effective damage by half. It is stally of the stalliest while possessing severe offensive pressure
Or at least make alternatives with other types. I could see an ice, steel, bug, ghost, grass etc. variant, with only one kind available at a time. They could also cap the number of turns to around 3-5, or maybe the damage like the other guy said.
@@YamatoFukkatsu I get the joke, but competitive pokemon has always been harsh for fire and ice types because of how common their counters are, stealth rocks just hurt what viability they have even more
Some important notes about Ho-Oh's place in VGC 2019. Its mainly a rain team pokemon. Access to sacred fire lets it protect kyogre from steel/grass threats like kartana and ferrothorn. Super effective damage along with the chance to burn them if they manage to survive it in the rain is pretty huge. Access to tailwind also helps kyogre use water spout to its full potential. Another purpose for Ho-Oh was to check xerneas. It natually takes hit from boosted xerneas because of its huge special bulk and resistance to fairies. It sometimes ran whirlwind or roar though to force it out, since offensively it has few options vs xerneas.
@@oofjeff3735 VGC is a doubles format. Dazzling gleam + fairy aura after a geomancy can get easy KO's on chipped opponents. Go to pikalytics and check the usage stats. Hardly anyone uses focus blast or tbolt.
Not even a comparison. Ho-oh is far beyond either of them. Entei at least got better over time getting more useable physical moves and Sacred Fire as a STAB option. Kind of like Arcanine-litesih only it gets Sacred Fire and Stone Edge and Iron Head. Flareon at least got given Superpower for coverage and got Flare Blitz eventually but you can't overlook that Speed...
I’m the only one of my friends who got Pokémon colosseum no one wanted to play it because they knew it would be more story driven and they thought any Pokémon I found I could just breed and transfer. Their shock when I one day brought a Ho oh to our daily battles. They started accusing me of hacking in mythicals and I told them I got it in colosseum. One internet video later they finally believed me and just like that all my friends went to get colosseum.
4th gen was such a double edged sword for Ho-Oh. The physical/special spilt let it's Sacred Fire do more damage, but Stealth Rocks... Oofdah. Fire/Flying really has trouble with that.
I'm thinking that Ho-Oh's z-move would be Infernal Flare Blast; A ballistic move that lays down a burning mass (an entry hazard) that acts binding move when the next opponent switches in unless removed via rapid spin/defog. Lugia's Z move would be called Airborne Razor Barrage; A ballistic move that lays down a razor sharp cyclone (an entry hazard) that acts binding move when the next opponent switches in unless removed via rapid spin/defog.
@@joegreen3802 but it was very important to counter the ever present xerneas(i don't the spelling) and also was very strong he had 8.9 % also mega mauwile had only 22.8%
We did it again! Though this time the Lugia/Ho-oh was kinda interrupted by the starters as well, so it went both ways lol Also I was featured in the video! Yay :)
Interestingly enough, I've always found Ho-Oh to be one of the cooler legendary Pokemons but somewhat forgettable. It probably has something to do with me playing Silver and Crystal over Gold as a kid.
Ho-Oh is basically what Moltres from gen 1 should have been. The same Fire and Flying type only with an actually good move pool, and only got better over time whereas Moltres dwindled in the lower tiers.
Can't wait to see Ho-Oh's impact in gen 8 Ubers with the new Heavy Duty Boots. Alongside Regenerator and Roost, it's going to be a nightmare to KO and I suspect it'll run a bulkier variant with double stab, Toxic and Roost.
I like seeing my boy Ho oh get better and better with each gen (brave bird in gen 4? Regenerator in gen 5? Dealing with xerneas and some pgroudon in gen 6? gen 8 heavy duty boots? Yes please)
Ho-Oh is absolutely incredible and I would say almost a must have on any Ubers team. It covers for too many things and is able to be things strong despite the existence of Stealth Rock. Now that's an achievement. Ho-Oh really matches up to Lugia
I know this is 4 years ago but people really need to stop acting like Lugia is so much better because its not 🤡 Lugia is neglected in ubers and is the definition of mid there. While Ho-Oh only got better over the years and has significantly more usage than Lugia.
@@Zach0451 It may be rhetorical, but I'll answer it by saying I have never, nor will I ever, play Smogon tiers. And I have used 3 legendaries against players in the history of my pokemon playing, starting in Gen1. And those were an Incarnate Tornadus rest-talker, a support Raikou, and a generic Heatran.
@@ShiningJudgment666 when you still have healing from roost/recover and regenerator It is extremely worth it Especially because bow ho-oh can act as an anti hazard mon itself
As someone who isn't too familiar with the Ubers meta, I sometimes forget how good Ho-Oh actually is. The rainbow turkey doesn't appear to have any glaring weaknesses that could be fixed simply by slapping a new tool on it.
I would say that this almost undersells how solid ho-oh is in gen6-7 ubers meta and how it forms the backbone of the primal groudon ho-oh duskmane core. It's such a fantastic pokemon that constantly got better and better in terms of offense and utility.
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Ho-Oh: 188-222 (45.1 - 53.3%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock…. Nice counter, also brave birb doesn’t do much without any attack investment and you can’t whirlwind
Stealth rock seems a bit too powerful, I'd give it 10 maybe 20 base power that deals damage based on the attack stat of the mon that used it to pokemon that enter battle, instead of taking out half health straight off the bat.
That would make the slow, hard hitting rock types that are almost all bottom tier have an actual niche. Simultaneously, it would still have some value if say, clefairy used it, but be significantly weaker than a mon more designed to use it.
The Phoenix is my absolute favourite Mythical Animal and the Johto Phoenix didn't disappoint! How GOOD was Mightyena ACTUALLY? next please? Thanks for another fun vid False Swipe =^_^=
Ho-Oh is my favorite Pokemon! I remember when people played Marshadow for the first time on Showdown and I always tried to fit a Ho-Oh on my Ubers teams if it could fit. Quite a few people rage quit or gave up because of how easy I KO'ed their Marshadows (ones that didn't play Rock Tomb anyway). Good times!
I'm surprised that a move like Refresh was even considered for a Pokémon like Ho-Oh, since running a dedicated cleric with Heal Bell is generally the better option. Also, the fact that Ho-Oh sets are limited enough as to consider running Defog on the Pokémon that you are trying to protect from rocks is pretty hilarious and only works because of Regenerator. Really good showing overall especially the gen 3 segment and the ludicrous number of experimental sets used
Coming from the future to say that Ho-Oh is the best it’s ever been,Heavy-Duty-Boots so it doesn’t care about SR,Dynamax making it unkillable while making it a huge threat,sincerely,Ho-oh is stronger than ever before
This is DeagleBeagle here, lmao Ho-Oh usually ran Passho Berry but you could switch items back then which I did in an attempt to desperately beat Groudon with Rock Slide.
@Victor Estrella volcarona would be banned from OU if it took anything less than it did, zard is a mon which I agree deserves less damage from rocks. Ice types would dominate everywhere without rocks in all tiers
@Victor Estrella thanks for the reply Victor, although I would like to point out that none of those mons you mentioned check volc. With the right z move none of these switch in. T-tar dies to swarm bug buzz-z. Mega pinsir takes 50% from rocks and doesn't switch in. Ice types are no joke, the only reason you think they are bad is because of SR. Mega-Glalie being strong in Ou is an example of 'weak' ice mons that still shred even with SR.
Is Ho-oh better in gen 8 with the addition of heavy-duty boots? I know Pokémon like Volcarona and Moltres became more viable, but I don't play Ubers enough to know.
Basically the only 4x weak to rock pokemon who didn't immediately drop 2 tiers with the introduction of rocks
well and volcarona
Mega Charizard Y and Volcarona say hi.
But they're not Ubers.
@@SeriousStriker Also, they appeared after Rocks were introduced :b
Still always been OU though.
Rocks need a nerf.
Is it just me, or did Ho-Oh actually get BETTER over time? This feels like a reverse for most Pokémon in this series.
Cuse it finally got regenerator and defog
That's kind of debatable because of the reason for it's current placement, which has little to do with Ho-Oh's actual strengths. Rock types, Rock coverage attacks, Stealth Rocks (or just the existence of the Rock type in general) are nonexistant in Ubers yet are extremely prevalent everywhere else, meaning that Ho-Oh in the weirdest reversal of tiering is worse the lower the tier its used in, but better the higher the tier.
Ironically, attempting to use Ho-Oh in any tier that isn't Uber is suicidal due to how Rock-heavy those tiers are, which is the extreme reversal of everything else.
imortal333 it’s a Phoenix, makes sense for it to
@@joshuakim5240 Ou is not that rock heavy tho. Tyranitar is the only relevant rock type, and only lando-t, excadrill and garchomp really use rock coverage. I feel like Ho-Oh would destroy OU since its so fat that it can setup on basically anithing that does not have rock coverage. And defensively would be even worse. Just imagine a toxapex, ferrothorn, Ho-Oh core.
@@joshuakim5240 ah, and it also has a double stab that is absolutely perfect to destroy the tier. Fire flying stab+ground coverage has no switch-ins, it can't be burnt since it is a fire type. Only garchomp could really do something to stop the bird, but it won't take a lot of brave birds to take chomp out.
"Ho-No!"
- Torterra
No rayquaza next
japhi white yes please
@@Piper_aaa "Tiers more like tears" - Mega reyquaza when it got banned from Ubers
I get it!
Ho-oh is immune to Torterra’s Ground-*STAB,quad resists it’s Grass-STAB and Ho-oh can annihilate Torterra with both of it’s STABs*
@@boomerangthrower3961 Torterra can pack Stone Edge though, so if it reads the switch the tables get turned.
I see your keeping up the trend of delaying the grass starter
It's tradition around here to put a extra episode before the last Starter.
c-c-c-c-c-combo breaker combo
joe53820 stfu your stupid it’s the other way around
@@purpleheartneptune6267 no need to be rude about it.
@@purpleheartneptune6267 nope
Imagine how nuclear Ho-oh will be in Gen 8 because of Heavy-duty boots
It's now got Flare Blitz to compliment it's Brave Bird. So with Heavy Duty Boots/Regenerator and a mix of Recover and Iron Head.
You get a harder to kill Magic Bird
@@crinjal_mrp I didn't say it would replace the Sacred Set. But there's now more focus for power attacks and wall breaking, rather than a slow burn
Yep, it's top tier. But not as good as Calyrex-Shadow and Yveltal.
Waiting for that Arceus video that'll probably be like two hours due to all the various forms
Maybe a video for every generation.
gen 4 won't it was unplayable because of the restriction to its evs and people just "recently" found out a way to glitch their way to the azule flute arceus which can get its stats maxed out.
Smogon doesn't allow full ev arceus at all in gen 4 Ubers. But there is still a lot to cover since e-killer was always viable alongside 5 others while the few others like bug were not to viable.
@@M3rtyville e killer?
@@FenrisRM thats Normal arceus' nickname. also short for Extreme Killer since it uses Sword Dance and finish off Pokemon with Extreme Speed which is a +2 priority move.
It is one of the most consistent arceus forme over the years
Is that Honchkrow? It's one of my favorite Gen. 4 pkmn.
Maybe when we get to Unova we should do Serperior first.
Yeah. Let Emboar suffer the delay!
no emboar is cool stfu
Yes! Emboar is the worst of the Unova trio, it deserves it!
@@pkfire5790 It's easily the worst of the Unova starters, and quite possibly the worst starter in any game.
@@kellenrist3973 not true. its better than samurott and meganium is the worst starter
heavy duty boots + regenerator ho-oh.
gen8ubers will never be the same :v
Aged like fine milk
Tate, Herald of Garfus It’s probably coming in the DLC though.
Tate, Herald of Garfus Dummy there’s such a thing as the DLC
Spencer The realist lmao learn to read
@@Spplaart, Crown tundra is bringing back box legendaries
I forgot how cool his "Physical attack" animation was back then
It has the same animation as sneasel while using shadow ball lmao
@@CrystalHakurei Still cool looking
TheGameBoyUltimate still better than anything Sword/Shield brought to the table as far as animations go
@@evankurasu3190 Wrong.
KirbyDude 25 how so? Give me examples... I'll wait.
I recently competed in an online tournament using Ho-oh. It had Sacred Fire, Brave Bird, Earthquake and Natural Gift with an adamant nature. Why Natural Gift you may ask? I saw that if holding a Leichi berry, it becomes a grass type attack and has a base attack of 80. It was used to counter water, rock and ground types. I know it sounds outlandish and gimmicky but it can help in most situations and catch opponents off guard.
cant ho oh have hidden power grass?
@@SultanOmarII not in more recent games
*Ho-Oh?!*
*You mean, better Moltres?*
Moltres ? You mean Ho-Oh but trash ?
HO-OH ÷ 0 = Moltres
Divide anything by 0 and it becomes infinite. And Moltres is not THAT good.
Totem charazard
@@xeruexe1624 Dividing by 0 can equal negative infinity as well, though.
How strong was Ho-oh's neck actually?
Seriously, looking at its sprite from Gens 3-5, its neck is almost always bent.
RIP Torterra
He always puts an episode before the grass starter
Next is Patreon pick tho
@@DJTileTurnip Blastoise says hi?
@DJ Tile Turnip Conspiracy.
@Joe Green Still, it would be better if he did these reviews every Wednesdays and Sundays.
It's so hard to cook turkey right, it dries out so easily. It's definitely low on the list of bird meat. Not sure how it has such a dominant presence at Smogen Thanksgiving.
Arasonyth idk man it and compete with duck
Guess someone doesn't know how brine works.
It has a lot of meat to feed a lot of people for cheap and it has an iconic look.
gribble of the sand r/Whoooosh
You should sous-vide it. It's the best.
Pokemon: Ho-Oh
Santa: Ho-Ho
Ho-tel: Trivago
This was a bad joke and you should be ashamed.
@@an3582 people have different tastes of humor, not everybody has the same as you you know
@@relaxn3918 I wasn't being serious.
Loved to see how Ho-oh goes from "worst Uber" to decent staple over the generations in Ubers.
Also will we stall grass further this time? Poor Torterra
According to the Patreon Pick, Yes.
I remember buying Gold and thinking Ho oh looked awesome on the box art. Glad he's still hanging in there!
Decent is underselling it
@@crashgrimm6993 Well, yeah. (The thing is you gotta type the early comments quickly so that people notice, so couldn't find time to use a better word) Also it was decent before USUM defog, making it more amazing after that.
Fire types had it rough in the early gens tbh lol up until Infernape and Heatran came along.
The streak of denying Grass starters continues.
Because they're just generally bad and shoved to lower tiers
Kyle McKell It took Serp a generation, but it’s chillin’ in OU
@@kylemckell7653 Venusaur and Serperior say hello.
@@MaxosGoji there are exceptions to every rule. But torterra is not ome of them
@@kylemckell7653 doesn't matter if they're trash Torterra could be PU the whole time I would still watch that video
Do you know whats funny? Next week its gonna be Patreon pick, so if they didnt vote for Torterra then Torterra is gonna be delayed for a second time
They didn’t vote for Torterra.
Damn.
You overlooked the best change to gen 7 Ho-Oh
It got Burn-Up, the best meme in the game
Roost+Burn up sadly can’t be used on the same turn
@@Skullhawk13 The loss of your Fire type from Burn-Up stays until you swap out. So you use Burn-Up to become a pure flying type, and then you use Roost to become typeless for that turn.
@@WolframTH-cam roost makes pure flying normal type
@@Skullhawk13 Only when the Pokémon originally was pure Flying. If it loses its typing through Burn-Up, it will not become normal.
@@WolframTH-cam Interesting, that seems odd but I can believe it
I actually like Ho-Oh more than Lugia. But still respect Lugia.
I like Lugia more.
But I will respect your opinion.
@@Qwitsch55 Same here.
I like both equally. I just can't choose!
@@HenrythePaleoGuy Understandable.
ho-oh and lugia vs zhuqiaomon and varodurumon!2-on-2 death battle!!!who wins?!?!?tell me what you think!!!!!I loved this video!!!!
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Joey: ...
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19:05 I'd give it some type of item which either reduced or completely removed hazard damage, could be some type of boots, like those safety boots used for Heavy duty work.
Oh wait...
I’d give it its own held item.
called ;) Rainbow Wing
it increases Hp Atk Def Sp.def & Spd by 20-30%
@@jayclearmen411 Fuckin what?
@@jayclearmen411 💀
Yay, the KFC God is finally being analysed! :D
Kawaii Girl you mean blaziken rite?
Kawaii Girl winged dragon of Ra us a yugioh card
Lol xD
Blaziken is literally KFC, Kentucky Fighting Chicken
@@vaporterra Which means, when it Mega Evolves, it becomes a Mega Ultra Kentucky Fighting Chicken.
I don't play competitive Pokemon (though I've picked up a passing knowledge of it over time, in no small part thanks to this series) but... does the community as a whole feel good about Stealth Rocks, or does it get a lot of hate? It seems like a move that defines the meta to such an extent and makes such a large portion of cool Pokemon unusable in high tiers that it seems like a real bummer.
(I know that I really, really hate similarly limiting/meta-reducing things in games that I play competitively.)
It's a love it/hate it affair. Some love it because it and spikes can put stall teams on the back foot, forcing them to either take damage on switching to pivots or risk spending a turn not healing or defense boosting. Others hate it because it basically forced almost every fire or flying type in the whole game down a tier or two because of how prominent it was.
It kind of had to be added. No stealth rocks makes stall teams far too effective sadly. Before stealth Rock that's basically all you saw.
SR how it is is bad. Literally makes 50% of Poke unplayable competively, even if said Poke has good stats
It's a 50/50, SR helps Pokemon get certain KOs as well as making some Pokemon very good leads because of their access to them, however it does make a lot of Pokemon bad because of the damage.
Stealth rocks used to be far more restricting, nowdays you can built your team however you want because options to get rid of them are plentiful
Friend: Isn't Moltres like Ho-oh?
Me: ***hits him with a rock***
Dies in one shot because he's moltres and not ho-oh
And now Ho-Oh is one of the best Pokémon in Gen 8 Ubers.
Still is in Gen 9 Ubers including Natdex iirc
imagine if it got a primal with these stats
HP: 106
Attack: 140
Defence: 150
Sp Atk: 110
Sp Def: 174
Speed: 100
Ability: Regenerator
Defog / Recover
Sacred Fire
Brave Bird
Substitute / Thunder / Earthquake
it would be the bane of everyone's existence cause the stall would be insane
Wow !!
@@crinjal_mrp There is one in rom hack called radical red with custom ability Primal Armor which reduces super effective damage by half. It is stally of the stalliest while possessing severe offensive pressure
our only saving grace is that it's not magic bounce
@@seabirdflutter Regenerator tho, we seen what it could do on normal Ho-Oh, imagine it on one with better stats
@@WTC-1990 yeah. that's just nasty, but if it has the primal orb it can't run boots so we got that
I’m just gonna come out and say it: Stealth Rock should’ve never been invented.
Or a max damage cap. Dropping half your life is too much.
1/3 seems a lot better
Or at least make alternatives with other types. I could see an ice, steel, bug, ghost, grass etc. variant, with only one kind available at a time. They could also cap the number of turns to around 3-5, or maybe the damage like the other guy said.
@shakuuza ez I'm sure Delibird was totally asking to have half its health knocked off just for switching in. Yup, utterly broken Pokemon, right there.
@@YamatoFukkatsu I get the joke, but competitive pokemon has always been harsh for fire and ice types because of how common their counters are, stealth rocks just hurt what viability they have even more
Just have it function like Spikes rather than being type-dependent.
Some important notes about Ho-Oh's place in VGC 2019. Its mainly a rain team pokemon. Access to sacred fire lets it protect kyogre from steel/grass threats like kartana and ferrothorn. Super effective damage along with the chance to burn them if they manage to survive it in the rain is pretty huge. Access to tailwind also helps kyogre use water spout to its full potential. Another purpose for Ho-Oh was to check xerneas. It natually takes hit from boosted xerneas because of its huge special bulk and resistance to fairies. It sometimes ran whirlwind or roar though to force it out, since offensively it has few options vs xerneas.
Xernas run tbolr and thunder tho?
@@oofjeff3735 not, xern are typically Moonblast/Protect/Dazzling Gleam/Geomancy
@@MoxieBoosted da fak? Its mostly *gemamcy. Moonblast. Focus Blast. Psyshoc/tbolt*
What kind of idiot needs moonblast and dazzling gleam lol
@@oofjeff3735 VGC is a doubles format. Dazzling gleam + fairy aura after a geomancy can get easy KO's on chipped opponents. Go to pikalytics and check the usage stats. Hardly anyone uses focus blast or tbolt.
@@MoxieBoosted oof. My bad. I made a mistake for singles x_x
The second I first saw Ho-oh's stats, I knew it was the Flareon/Entei of the legendary birds.
It isn't though it's actually a really good mon.
Not even a comparison. Ho-oh is far beyond either of them. Entei at least got better over time getting more useable physical moves and Sacred Fire as a STAB option. Kind of like Arcanine-litesih only it gets Sacred Fire and Stone Edge and Iron Head. Flareon at least got given Superpower for coverage and got Flare Blitz eventually but you can't overlook that Speed...
Childhood is loving Lugia for how awesome and scary it is.
Adulthood is loving Ho-Oh for how majestic and grandiose it is.
Hello -VerminTV- Maturity is loving both.
Thank you FSG, very nice.
You know I've always wondered about this. Good to see I'll finally get to learn about it in the best format on the internet!
The Pokémon with the BEST legendary theme!.
I like Suicune's theme more
I think seeing Ho Oh in the first episode was meant to foreshadow that 151 Pokemon was only the beginning
I’m the only one of my friends who got Pokémon colosseum no one wanted to play it because they knew it would be more story driven and they thought any Pokémon I found I could just breed and transfer.
Their shock when I one day brought a Ho oh to our daily battles.
They started accusing me of hacking in mythicals and I told them I got it in colosseum.
One internet video later they finally believed me and just like that all my friends went to get colosseum.
4th gen was such a double edged sword for Ho-Oh. The physical/special spilt let it's Sacred Fire do more damage, but Stealth Rocks... Oofdah. Fire/Flying really has trouble with that.
At least they gave him strong secondary STAB.
Rainbow fearow is a pretty good staple and one of the few that actually got better over the years.
Lugium Z and Ho-Ohnium Z involving aeroblast and sacred fire respectively.
Ho-Oh's Z-move should do something like healing the user of statuses or recovering their HP
@@ZorotheGallade What of Lugia's Z-move?
@@Iamwolf134 Clearing the weather?
@@ZorotheGallade Hey, good idea. I think it should even nullify Desolate Land, Primordial Sea, and Delta Stream
I'm thinking that Ho-Oh's z-move would be Infernal Flare Blast; A ballistic move that lays down a burning mass (an entry hazard) that acts binding move when the next opponent switches in unless removed via rapid spin/defog.
Lugia's Z move would be called Airborne Razor Barrage; A ballistic move that lays down a razor sharp cyclone (an entry hazard) that acts binding move when the next opponent switches in unless removed via rapid spin/defog.
Kind of interesting that a Fire/Flying type managed to stay in Ubers to this day
You had charizard y it was preety strong mega
@@amaanverma8248 Charizard Y isn’t Uber
@@joegreen3802 but it was very important to counter the ever present xerneas(i don't the spelling) and also was very strong he had 8.9 % also mega mauwile had only 22.8%
*Fearow is Ho-Oh's evolution!*
Then is sperrow its pre-evolve form?
@Nick Cruz you must live under a rock😂
@Nick Cruz So you lived under a rock.
The animators must have read your comment. Fearow appeared as a fake Ho-Oh in a recent episode
@Nick Cruz Not really Articino resemblancez the Pidgey Line a lot more than Moltres.
I don't play pokemon anymore but always love watching these videos
We did it again! Though this time the Lugia/Ho-oh was kinda interrupted by the starters as well, so it went both ways lol
Also I was featured in the video! Yay :)
Ho-Oh might have less artificial popularity.
But it has always been my favorite legend. :)
Interestingly enough, I've always found Ho-Oh to be one of the cooler legendary Pokemons but somewhat forgettable. It probably has something to do with me playing Silver and Crystal over Gold as a kid.
Ho-Oh is basically what Moltres from gen 1 should have been. The same Fire and Flying type only with an actually good move pool, and only got better over time whereas Moltres dwindled in the lower tiers.
I think it would be interesting to get a behind the scenes of the “How Good were” Series.
We need a remake of this now that Ho oh is in SV doing numbers!!!
Can't wait to see Ho-Oh's impact in gen 8 Ubers with the new Heavy Duty Boots. Alongside Regenerator and Roost, it's going to be a nightmare to KO and I suspect it'll run a bulkier variant with double stab, Toxic and Roost.
These videos are so well made, thank you for all the research and great content you put into these. Seriously 10/10 video
Ho Oh should learn the moves Wing Attack, Firespin and Flare Blitz on its' own level.
This is seriously what I look forward to on Sundays
Ho-Oh is one of the sickest pokemon designs ever.
So simple yet pretty at the same time
I like seeing my boy Ho oh get better and better with each gen (brave bird in gen 4? Regenerator in gen 5? Dealing with xerneas and some pgroudon in gen 6? gen 8 heavy duty boots? Yes please)
*Very berry*
I love how one of the Ho-Ohs used in 6th Gen was named after Lilina's weapon, Forblaze 🔥
Aye Fe reference
Lilina? Don't you mean Athos?
@@chrisf.9595 Lilina in Fire Emblem Heroes wields the Forblaze as a 5* weapon. But Athos also count :D that tome appears both in FE6 and FE7
Ho-Oh is absolutely incredible and I would say almost a must have on any Ubers team. It covers for too many things and is able to be things strong despite the existence of Stealth Rock. Now that's an achievement. Ho-Oh really matches up to Lugia
lol
I know this is 4 years ago but people really need to stop acting like Lugia is so much better because its not 🤡
Lugia is neglected in ubers and is the definition of mid there. While Ho-Oh only got better over the years and has significantly more usage than Lugia.
Ho-Oh is the most underrated bird Pokémon and is the best Johto Pokémon. Being the first new region Pokémon shown on TV, Ho-Oh deserves a lot more.
In terms of actual competitive gameplay it was nowhere near the best.
@@wowwt In terms of what really matters, It's looks and early TV appearance, it is definitely near the best.
@@Mynostalgicvideos entei all the way
@@wowwt Ho-Oh is my favorite. I'm also a big fan of Entei
@@wowwt Entei is something good in competitive?
Your content is amazing man, I would love to see you covering Ursaring!
I have always been pretty bad at pokemon battles, but whenever I have Ho-Oh on my team it always works out!
I have always been of the opinion that if you need to use an Olympus Mon to win, you are a scrub player.
@@HunterHerne By this logic, anyone who plays Ubers is a scrub. Did you think before you typed this? (Rhetorical question)
@@Zach0451 It may be rhetorical, but I'll answer it by saying I have never, nor will I ever, play Smogon tiers. And I have used 3 legendaries against players in the history of my pokemon playing, starting in Gen1. And those were an Incarnate Tornadus rest-talker, a support Raikou, and a generic Heatran.
@@HunterHerne Ooh you're one of *those* players....
@@Zach0451 Yep, one of those players who value fun and creativity over competitive viability.
1:00 so we not gonna talk about the movie Pokemon: I choose you?
The last one of these videos I'm watching before my final high-school summer vacation ends 😢.
I identify :c
3:40
Yo Mr. FSG. These should be in every video from now on. Excellent call dude!
*HOW GOOD WAS THE MADNESS OF SPIRITOMB ACTUALLY?*
WHY ARE YOU HERE HEARTHSTONE GOD THIS IS NOT TRUMP OR TOAST'S CHANNEL
Thanks for including VGC 19 Sun Series teams! Ho-Oh hasn’t been seeing as much usage in Moon Series so far
People: So will Ho-Oh run Choice Band again?
Ho-Oh: Nope, just gimme some shoes!
Giving up a little power or Leftovers recovery to not lose health from Rocks might be worth it.
@@ShiningJudgment666 when you still have healing from roost/recover and regenerator
It is extremely worth it
Especially because bow ho-oh can act as an anti hazard mon itself
As someone who isn't too familiar with the Ubers meta, I sometimes forget how good Ho-Oh actually is. The rainbow turkey doesn't appear to have any glaring weaknesses that could be fixed simply by slapping a new tool on it.
Ho oh is the coolest looking pokemon for sure. Second is darkrai.
Nah, mega scizor is the coolest looking Pokemon but Ho oh still looks SUPER cool
I would say that this almost undersells how solid ho-oh is in gen6-7 ubers meta and how it forms the backbone of the primal groudon ho-oh duskmane core. It's such a fantastic pokemon that constantly got better and better in terms of offense and utility.
How bad of a name is “Ho-oh” actually?
Not as bad as yours
Well it's very accurate, since Houou literally means Phoenix in Japanese. The "oh" could also stand for the Japanese "king" honorific
Ho-oh's name is lovely idk what you smoking but I DON'T want it
I glad you create this video.
Ho-oh is literally THE Xerneas counter when using an AV set, taking 40% from a thunder
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Ho-Oh: 188-222 (45.1 - 53.3%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock…. Nice counter, also brave birb doesn’t do much without any attack investment and you can’t whirlwind
It got even better now with Heavy Duty Boots. Ho-Oh is in the top 10 most used Ubers mon. Its amazing.
Funny how ho oh learns curse but it’s power is the opposite
Awesome video like always!! Thank you so much!
I think stealth rock was turning point, but at least you can't switch around your team for all eternitiy
No one will notice this comment anyway
freaking love ho-oh. just uploaded my reanimated the gold/heartgold intro. how good was ho-oh? in my heart: the best, like no one ever was.
My favorite starter from Sinnoh
Getting ho-oh at mt battle will forever be one of my favourite gaming memories
Stealth rock seems a bit too powerful, I'd give it 10 maybe 20 base power that deals damage based on the attack stat of the mon that used it to pokemon that enter battle, instead of taking out half health straight off the bat.
That would make the slow, hard hitting rock types that are almost all bottom tier have an actual niche. Simultaneously, it would still have some value if say, clefairy used it, but be significantly weaker than a mon more designed to use it.
This video was a rollercoaster with all the ups and downs this thing had within the same generation.
The Phoenix is my absolute favourite Mythical Animal and the Johto Phoenix didn't disappoint!
How GOOD was Mightyena ACTUALLY? next please?
Thanks for another fun vid False Swipe =^_^=
Ho-Oh is my favorite Pokemon! I remember when people played Marshadow for the first time on Showdown and I always tried to fit a Ho-Oh on my Ubers teams if it could fit. Quite a few people rage quit or gave up because of how easy I KO'ed their Marshadows (ones that didn't play Rock Tomb anyway). Good times!
Torterra?
FSG: I've never seen this man in my life
I'm surprised that a move like Refresh was even considered for a Pokémon like Ho-Oh, since running a dedicated cleric with Heal Bell is generally the better option. Also, the fact that Ho-Oh sets are limited enough as to consider running Defog on the Pokémon that you are trying to protect from rocks is pretty hilarious and only works because of Regenerator. Really good showing overall especially the gen 3 segment and the ludicrous number of experimental sets used
now I'm wondering the politics behind GSC not banning Lax to Ubers now, and trying to suspect test Celebi?
Gen 8: We have these funny boots...
Ho-oh "god mode activated"
Coming from the future to say that Ho-Oh is the best it’s ever been,Heavy-Duty-Boots so it doesn’t care about SR,Dynamax making it unkillable while making it a huge threat,sincerely,Ho-oh is stronger than ever before
This is DeagleBeagle here, lmao Ho-Oh usually ran Passho Berry but you could switch items back then which I did in an attempt to desperately beat Groudon with Rock Slide.
Aw, was hoping we would get Torterra...
Me to, but that dumbjoke of interrupting a Trio is still a thing
Or venomoth
This pick upsets me, the interruption squad already had their fun with Sandslash.
Oh-No
You are telling me you can simply EV Ho-oh to live a super effective +2 110 base power thunder from 126 spatk Xerneas? That is so disgusting.
I still remember one of Ho-oh's entry: anyone saw Ho-oh, his or her dream will came true. But Ash never won any league pass gen 2😂
God-pokemon work in mysterious ways... I guess??? XD
Ash won the Alolan League finally.
Yay I’m glad we got this, Ho-Oh is my favorite
torterraaaa
sucks
Me before the video: Ho-Oh + stealth rocks= Fried Chicken
Me after the video: *adds Ho-Oh to Ubers team on showdown*
I named my Ho-Oh "Finger licking good" on Showdown. It's still my best name.
I always love seeing how the Ubers interact with one another.
People who complain about rocks are the same people who haven't actually used or played against ho-oh with regen
@Victor Estrella volcarona would be banned from OU if it took anything less than it did, zard is a mon which I agree deserves less damage from rocks. Ice types would dominate everywhere without rocks in all tiers
@Victor Estrella thanks for the reply Victor, although I would like to point out that none of those mons you mentioned check volc. With the right z move none of these switch in. T-tar dies to swarm bug buzz-z. Mega pinsir takes 50% from rocks and doesn't switch in. Ice types are no joke, the only reason you think they are bad is because of SR. Mega-Glalie being strong in Ou is an example of 'weak' ice mons that still shred even with SR.
Is Ho-oh better in gen 8 with the addition of heavy-duty boots? I know Pokémon like Volcarona and Moltres became more viable, but I don't play Ubers enough to know.
Yes...
Yes it is
How good was Rayquaza ACTUALLY?
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Well, just like Celebi, this bird indeed rose from the ashes once it got its dream ability, it definitely shined in competitive:)