If anyone has trouble sourcing the HDPE plastic sheet to cut the washers from, I've found ordinary HDPE milk jug plastic to be very effective in lubricating a load-bearing surface such as this. A few layers of this will let you build up to the desired thickness, and a light smearing of paste wax between them will make things even slicker. Even though they're so thin, there's little chance of them wearing out, as the layers slide on each other instead of abrading.
I love your videos - you clearly describe your thought process, you show your work, you show your errors (if any!), and you do it all with a sense of humor and an attractive accent. Thank you so much.
I liked the original and these are good ways to improve it. Your idea at 7:14 to put the seat part in double shear would probably be the best improvement. Then you won't get the twisting motion in the hinge bolts.
Nice update. Seems much sturdier now. Good to see that you still kept the idea and made it better instead of throwing it into the bin. And yes, we enjoy your videos!
I stand corrected on my comment on the original video. You were absolutely right about the stress being on the pivot. I think I didn't take into account the lever force from the wing. Silly me for not thinking it through. These improvements really beef up the hinge. Thanks for sharing!
I believe you to be one of the best videographers on You Tube. Absolutely brilliant in style and technique. Keep up the fine work. :You are definately my favorite personality!!
The changes you made do make it appear stronger and your standing up on it proves that! New woodworkers seat dancing will become all the rage in some countries now that you have shown everyone how to do it - haha!
Heya Neil, G'day! You could have a longer cantilever if you made all the supports vertical rather than horizontal... meaning where the hinge is fitted you could have those positioned vertically rather than on the flat side... also if the hinge area especially the top one was dispersing the weight over a larger area... meaning a bigger plate preferably made of wood... It would be able to take even more stress.
You seem like a genuinely top bloke! Love your videos. Came across your channel when I was building my chicken coop. Now I’ve started at the oldest video and working to present. Cool to see the massive variety of project types, and the changes in format. Loved the early ones with no talking, but as enjoyable as those were, the talking vids are vastly more helpful for me personally. Going to buy some of the merch to support the channel, just gotta pick something out. Thanks for sharing your art. 👏👏👏
I love the seat making but seeing the process, it could be an idea to dovetail the top and bottom holders of the frame so the pulling from the weight is hold back by the angel of the dovetail. I would make the seat turnable on the triangle what would ad to the comfort and maybe make the triangle not horizontal but under a 15 degree bringing the weight of the person more directly to the bench. but man I was waiting for this. I made already a plasticbag garbageholder on my bakery table what turns under my table if I don't need it. Great project thanks
Neil, thanks for the update, looks good. Personal taste but like the look of the seat/support of the ply but think I would be inclined to use the metal hinge.
Great work.......if I may....I made a swivel seat like this using a bicycle frame ( the front fork end)....but your idea of Wood is much pleasing... Thank you for your ideas and great videos....
Good job. Thanks for explaining the pitfalls of design work. I understand having to bang along on a project until it works. I would love to design, build, test, and tweak projects before showing the results on a video. The nature of our channels doesn't support it.
Pask Makes Im sure it is. I wouldnt trust my fat ass on it though unless there was a support pole under the seat reaching to the floor. I was wondering. Where are you from? The accent says England to me but youre in Aus right?
I love this chair, but I feel like using a hard wood in certain parts of it would be a better option than plywood. If you pay attention to the grain direction it could be a lot stronger. also mixing the plywood with the hardwood could look really cool I think
new subscriber here. really enjoying your vids. i had a thought, i cant explain the physics behind this thought but it occurred to me that if you used a threaded rod that went all the way through with a set of locking nuts both above and below the hinge points it might strengthen the hing quite bit. i think having the hinge pins short and not all the way through will cause excessive stress at the point where the pins are bolted down. however if the pin goes all the way through, the stress will be more evenly distributed and therefore lessened at those crucial points. anyway just a thought. cheers from Kona :-D
Hi. Some good fixes there. Would you consider putting a 'vine hook' to join the top of the hinge bar directly into the bench? or even two at 45 degrees? Keep the vids coming. Thank you.
i think a round seat would also allow a shorter beam more like a piano stool seat from the screw up and down on a wood screw yah but the end of this video is funny and for me drives home how much fun this woodworking can be and the feeling of getting it right or nailing it to use a more pun icing expression hehheheh
Great analysis & problem-solving. How is the side of the work table holding up? It occurs to me that a backer on the inside of the work table would help spread the point loads. Of course, that would affect the lower drawer capacity (but use filler strips to address the gap. Oh, well - tanstaafl.
Nice idea but the main rails in actual solid wood verses plywood may be stronger to begin with since you do need to run screws. Nice idea though, and I am tempted to show AvE your video on the welded one since he loves to give anyone who works with wood crap. You are a better welder haha.
One way to reduce the stress on that hinge would be to drop a few kilos from around your midsection! But that's no fun! LOL! 😉 Another great video 👍. ❤🌅🌵
Pask Makes I mean I would not leave them how they sell them out from the store ill plane the sides and with to the dimensions but since it's sold wood it would be stronger and same thickness
Kind of depends on the source plywood to begin with... As Pask pointed out, good plywood (high end) is really durable stuff... BUT... not everyone necessarily has the resources to pour into that. SO... if you're a bit "shoe string"... Hardwood (regular) lumber is a plausible way to improve over "low end" plywood, which can be "a bit sketchy at the best of times". HOWEVER, it's important to take note of possible issues with a conversion to hardwood over plywood... Hardwood is sensitive to humidity and warpage... Even sealed "pretty well" joints and recesses can absorb humidity and swell, and wood swells ACROSS the grain, so it can literally push your "framing" apart. Okay, rather than JUST scare you away from it, maybe I'd recommend a "hybrid" design, using more hardwood for framing purposes, and filling with plywood, since plywood isn't so liable to swell and warp... at least not as readily (once you apply finish). If that's the case, an extra hinge "knuckle" or two wouldn't be a bad idea, just to add a bit more structure to the whole hinge joint. I'd probably recommend it, just on the principle that the hinge is THE weak-spot in this engineering. You only have to be particularly careful to align all the holes for that rod to go through... AND that hardwood isn't any better about wearing outward against moving metal parts than plywood, so install those lengths of pipe/tubing "bushings" in every hinge knuckle. Other than that, though, sufficient care in joinery and installation should last for damn near ever... and be plenty strong enough almost without regard to what you make it out of specifically. (though I might recommend against cardboard...lolz) I know I'm not Pask, himself... BUT I hope this kind of helps. ;o)
Ok I've got a weird one for you. Socks! You appear to be wearing my favourite pair but I can't for the life of me remember where I bought them. Hopefully you can point me in the right direction? :D
You've inspired me! Have you seen LeeValley's adjustable height hardware kit? Its an acme screw with nut/seat mounting flange. So I am going to pursue a metal fabricated arm then affix their hardware so as to have adjustable seat height. Surely like your videos!
Thanks Neal! I haven't seen the hardware kit but it sounds cool. I did think about making mine adjustable but as it's only me going to be sitting on it, I decided to keep it simple. :)
I brought everyone up to the office to see your hole-saw trick on the lathe. So eight men clustered around the office computer watching you create perfect segmented balls. Everyone was impressed and amazed!
I don't think I have ever seen someone come back and address the fixes in a separate video and I'm loving it
Great to hear Mike! Thank you! :)
Mike The Maker Ba-dum, dum, dum~dum... I’m lovin it!
It's SO nice to hear to talk through improvements, I've learned so much! Thank you!
If anyone has trouble sourcing the HDPE plastic sheet to cut the washers from, I've found ordinary HDPE milk jug plastic to be very effective in lubricating a load-bearing surface such as this. A few layers of this will let you build up to the desired thickness, and a light smearing of paste wax between them will make things even slicker. Even though they're so thin, there's little chance of them wearing out, as the layers slide on each other instead of abrading.
Love the way you are openly correcting and improving
I love your videos - you clearly describe your thought process, you show your work, you show your errors (if any!), and you do it all with a sense of humor and an attractive accent. Thank you so much.
Thank you very much for the kind words Barbara! :)
And using the metric system!
What accent? 😉
There are lots of woodworking videos on woodworking on the Internet. But yours are useful, interesting and well done. Thanks.
Thanks very much Rob! :)
That's true...
Great upgrade for the seat. I think the thicker hinge block on the bench balances the design better visually.
I liked the original and these are good ways to improve it. Your idea at 7:14 to put the seat part in double shear would probably be the best improvement. Then you won't get the twisting motion in the hinge bolts.
Thanks Brian! :)
I concur. Going to double shear more than doubles the strength of the joint by eliminating bending forces on both the bolt and the wood.
Nice update. Seems much sturdier now. Good to see that you still kept the idea and made it better instead of throwing it into the bin.
And yes, we enjoy your videos!
Thanks Jochen! Glad you're enjoying the videos mate! :)
I stand corrected on my comment on the original video. You were absolutely right about the stress being on the pivot. I think I didn't take into account the lever force from the wing. Silly me for not thinking it through. These improvements really beef up the hinge. Thanks for sharing!
No worries Seth - glad you like the improvements! :)
I believe you to be one of the best videographers on You Tube. Absolutely brilliant in style and technique. Keep up the fine work. :You are definately my favorite personality!!
That turned out even better!
The changes you made do make it appear stronger and your standing up on it proves that! New woodworkers seat dancing will become all the rage in some countries now that you have shown everyone how to do it - haha!
Haha! :)
Heya Neil, G'day! You could have a longer cantilever if you made all the supports vertical rather than horizontal... meaning where the hinge is fitted you could have those positioned vertically rather than on the flat side... also if the hinge area especially the top one was dispersing the weight over a larger area... meaning a bigger plate preferably made of wood... It would be able to take even more stress.
You seem like a genuinely top bloke! Love your videos. Came across your channel when I was building my chicken coop. Now I’ve started at the oldest video and working to present. Cool to see the massive variety of project types, and the changes in format. Loved the early ones with no talking, but as enjoyable as those were, the talking vids are vastly more helpful for me personally. Going to buy some of the merch to support the channel, just gotta pick something out. Thanks for sharing your art. 👏👏👏
Thanks for the update... I don’t have a bench or even a workshop for that matter but I want a swing out seat now 😁
Nicely done. I really appreciate you taking to the time to let us know that you've updated the design.
Great job Neil! I really like the “beefed” up look!😊 and it’s definitely more impressive standing on it!!😉😁👊
Thank you mate! It actually took a bit of balance to stay steady, standing on the seat! :)
Pask Makes haha! I didn’t even think about that!! Well I’m glad you faired it well😉😊
Make the seat so it slides on the top rail. And bring back the puppies.
Making the frame of seat triangular would also work very well. (Now the bottom has a straight edge)
I made the bottom with a straight edge to make the bottom hinge stronger. :)
I love the seat making but seeing the process, it could be an idea to dovetail the top and bottom holders of the frame so the pulling from the weight is hold back by the angel of the dovetail. I would make the seat turnable on the triangle what would ad to the comfort and maybe make the triangle not horizontal but under a 15 degree bringing the weight of the person more directly to the bench. but man I was waiting for this. I made already a plasticbag garbageholder on my bakery table what turns under my table if I don't need it. Great project thanks
Neil, thanks for the update, looks good. Personal taste but like the look of the seat/support of the ply but think I would be inclined to use the metal hinge.
Thanks Andrew! That would be good but I set the myself the challenge of using wood for anyone out there that doesn't work with metal. :)
Great work.......if I may....I made a swivel seat like this using a bicycle frame ( the front fork end)....but your idea of Wood is much pleasing... Thank you for your ideas and great videos....
Pask, You are just amazing!
Good video to watch while I enjoy my morning and breakfast!
Thanks!
Glad you liked it Michael! :)
I saw a lot of interesting and useful ideas on your channel! Thank you very much, and Hello from Russia! all the best to you!
Thank you! :)
I garbaged cashier's seat
/Supermarket
very solid, steel tube.
You are an inspiration !! Keep up the good job !
Awesome mate. Always good to see failures and the fixes/problem solving required. Great vid 👌
Glad you enjoyed it mate! :)
Great video, thanks again! I love how you leave in your mistakes and let us learn with you from them. Thank you :)
Thanks David! :)
Good job. Thanks for explaining the pitfalls of design work. I understand having to bang along on a project until it works. I would love to design, build, test, and tweak projects before showing the results on a video. The nature of our channels doesn't support it.
The ending is the best part.
A great achievement mate.
This is a great idea but I cant help but feel its more suited to be used by kids.
Looking forward to your future projects.
Thanks! I can assure you though that it's much stronger than just for the little ones. ;)
Pask Makes Im sure it is. I wouldnt trust my fat ass on it though unless there was a support pole under the seat reaching to the floor.
I was wondering. Where are you from? The accent says England to me but youre in Aus right?
....was an awesome heavy duty swinging chair projekt...thanks Pask 😁
Glad you liked it Doc! :)
I love this chair, but I feel like using a hard wood in certain parts of it would be a better option than plywood. If you pay attention to the grain direction it could be a lot stronger. also mixing the plywood with the hardwood could look really cool I think
I reckon that would be cool too. My original idea for this seat was to build completely from hardwood but decided to go this way. :)
Fair play Neil. Good work.
new subscriber here. really enjoying your vids.
i had a thought, i cant explain the physics behind this thought but it occurred to me that if you used a threaded rod that went all the way through with a set of locking nuts both above and below the hinge points it might strengthen the hing quite bit. i think having the hinge pins short and not all the way through will cause excessive stress at the point where the pins are bolted down. however if the pin goes all the way through, the stress will be more evenly distributed and therefore lessened at those crucial points.
anyway just a thought.
cheers from Kona :-D
Awesome :) It's cool to see how a project works out over time.
Thanks for sharing your process and how you went about improving it. And there's always time for nonsense!
Thank you! :)
Thanks for posting. This is on my 'to do list'.
You proved to be tall up to the roof not only in height but in all heights of skills!
Very good ,congratulations !
looks great mate
So good!! I love that you post these improvements. Fantastic stuff!
Thanks mate! :)
здорово, что снял и сделал доработку стульчика
you should add a rail with ratchet gears to adjust position of the seat
i really enjoy your programme's .
Gran trabajo.
Hi. Some good fixes there. Would you consider putting a 'vine hook' to join the top of the hinge bar directly into the bench? or even two at 45 degrees? Keep the vids coming. Thank you.
well done mate
i think a round seat would also allow a shorter beam more like a piano stool seat from the screw up and down on a wood screw
yah but the end of this video is funny and for me drives home how much fun this woodworking can be and the feeling of getting it right or nailing it to use a more pun icing expression hehheheh
Great analysis & problem-solving. How is the side of the work table holding up? It occurs to me that a backer on the inside of the work table would help spread the point loads. Of course, that would affect the lower drawer capacity (but use filler strips to address the gap. Oh, well - tanstaafl.
As always, a great video.
What? No dogs?!
Excellent work, and the explanation is really helpful.
Now one can make more wall mounts en qwikly interchange the seat’s.
Nice idea but the main rails in actual solid wood verses plywood may be stronger to begin with since you do need to run screws. Nice idea though, and I am tempted to show AvE your video on the welded one since he loves to give anyone who works with wood crap. You are a better welder haha.
Thanks mate! :)
I think the added size to the base looks better ..... Being wood it makes it look more capable ......
Thanks Ryan - it certainly is more capable! :)
Awesomely awesome rebuild my friend.👍🏼😉...I still reckon if I sat on it the whole bench would lift at the other end!!…😂
Thank you very much Marc! It's a very heavy bench (my power tools are all stored in the drawers). ;)
Pask Makes he he....😉😊👍🏼
Hi! Are you going to add ability to change distance of seat? I think it would be interesting upgrade.
nice improvements
Wow! Why didn't I think of that? I'm gonna throw out the stools and do the same for myself.
Really like your videos! :D
Nice improvement but I'm missing the end pups.
Thanks! I thought about the pups but they were playing and carrying on - so you got me dancing instead! ;)
Haha! Which is also nice, of course.
One way to reduce the stress on that hinge would be to drop a few kilos from around your midsection! But that's no fun! LOL! 😉 Another great video 👍. ❤🌅🌵
at the end of the video is very fun :)
Glad you liked it Roman! :)
suuuper cool project👑🍀
Thank you Lukas! :)
If rock beats scissors and paper beats rock, does this video series mean metal beats wood? : ) No, Pask beats all!
haha! Thanks! :)
Iterative Design FTW. So, how is it holding up now?
Yes it's holding up well! :)
Do you have plans ? That is awesome
what is the washer at 9:09 for?
I was waiting for someone to ask! Nothing more than to hide a little chip out! ;)
Pask Makes ah i see! a cosmetic washer never hurt anyone! haha
Hello great work, now that's for sure! Wouuuuuuu 👍👍👍❗
Thanks very much Martin! :)
Then, that's how the transversal screws went through the longitudinal dowels... :D
What’s the purpose of the washer you place on the shaft @ 9:10?
Once upon a time it may have held me. My fault. Still I love the look of these and their function.
would it be better to make it out of solid wood 2x4s certain pieces and then plywood on others?
I'm not sure it would be better but it would certainly work. 2x4's would look a lot bulkier than this though. :)
Pask Makes I mean I would not leave them how they sell them out from the store ill plane the sides and with to the dimensions but since it's sold wood it would be stronger and same thickness
Amazing pask (:
Thank you! :)
I know it's been awhile since you made this but was wondering as I'm a bit bigger than you would this be able to hold the weight around 120 kg range?
nice follow up video.. for a second there i thought you learned to fly :)
Haha! Thanks John! :)
Thanks Pask. How do you manage to record audio from the microphone in the headset?
Audio is recorded from camera with a shotgun mic. :)
Seems to me the swing distance is a function of how long your legs are, just like the correct height.
step one put 2 more dowell, step 2 drill a hole to put a bolt right in the dowells
Nice stuff, but I would like see heavy stress test :)
Thanks! What do you suggest - not that I'm willing to break it! It's pretty strong though and easily strong enough for most people to just sit on. :)
What if you used hard wood. Would take make this stronger.
Kind of depends on the source plywood to begin with... As Pask pointed out, good plywood (high end) is really durable stuff... BUT... not everyone necessarily has the resources to pour into that.
SO... if you're a bit "shoe string"... Hardwood (regular) lumber is a plausible way to improve over "low end" plywood, which can be "a bit sketchy at the best of times".
HOWEVER, it's important to take note of possible issues with a conversion to hardwood over plywood... Hardwood is sensitive to humidity and warpage... Even sealed "pretty well" joints and recesses can absorb humidity and swell, and wood swells ACROSS the grain, so it can literally push your "framing" apart.
Okay, rather than JUST scare you away from it, maybe I'd recommend a "hybrid" design, using more hardwood for framing purposes, and filling with plywood, since plywood isn't so liable to swell and warp... at least not as readily (once you apply finish).
If that's the case, an extra hinge "knuckle" or two wouldn't be a bad idea, just to add a bit more structure to the whole hinge joint. I'd probably recommend it, just on the principle that the hinge is THE weak-spot in this engineering. You only have to be particularly careful to align all the holes for that rod to go through... AND that hardwood isn't any better about wearing outward against moving metal parts than plywood, so install those lengths of pipe/tubing "bushings" in every hinge knuckle.
Other than that, though, sufficient care in joinery and installation should last for damn near ever... and be plenty strong enough almost without regard to what you make it out of specifically. (though I might recommend against cardboard...lolz)
I know I'm not Pask, himself... BUT I hope this kind of helps. ;o)
I love the idea but he should have started over in round 2.
Why have a swinging seat instead of a stool with wheels on?
Feels like you keep putting holes in the supporting elements of this thing and that itself tends to weaken the reinforcements you're making...
Ok I've got a weird one for you. Socks! You appear to be wearing my favourite pair but I can't for the life of me remember where I bought them. Hopefully you can point me in the right direction? :D
That are great socks Pete - my favourite too! Aldi. :)
Sometimes, there's no substitute for metal.
Doyou have plans available for this build? i would buy them
This is with wood. Metal is ,,no problem,,
Yes. Like the original one I made. This is for anyone who doesn't weld. :)
You've inspired me! Have you seen LeeValley's adjustable height hardware kit? Its an acme screw with nut/seat mounting flange. So I am going to pursue a metal fabricated arm then affix their hardware so as to have adjustable seat height. Surely like your videos!
Thanks Neal! I haven't seen the hardware kit but it sounds cool. I did think about making mine adjustable but as it's only me going to be sitting on it, I decided to keep it simple. :)
I brought everyone up to the office to see your hole-saw trick on the lathe. So eight men clustered around the office computer watching you create perfect segmented balls. Everyone was impressed and amazed!
Haha! That's quite a picture you painted! ;)
👍😆
Where are the puppies?
They will be back! :)
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Live and learn ( LORD Bless ) The end draweth nigh .
MORE OF THAT NONSENSE AT THE END!! :)
Haha! :)
80kg..
All this just to avoid metalworking! 😂