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- The Cine Guide for Panasonic Lumix S5ii & S5iiX...
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Don’t know why this camera doesn’t get more love. Sure it may not shoot 4K 120fps or have FX3 low light (which is just really good noise reduction) but it basically does everything else and really well. I hope Panasonic see this as a sign to get back into mid-higher end tier of cinema cameras. Need a new full frame EVA and box cam.
that low light is a combination of a lot of things (high second iso especially), not just nr
@@bmon9682 yeah you're right. That too, Sony seemed to have cracked the code with having high ISO footage and still have it be useable. Sure like many mention you could add in post but that adds a good amount of time to post production.
Sony great low light performance is mostly due to massive temporal noise reduction, fine details look smeared.
Also the 4K 120fps has a crop on the A7SIII, and on the top of that the resolution is not as good as with higher megapixels cameras, so the footages look not as crisp and Sony uses a lot of in camera sharpening to mask the low resolving power.
And the IBIS is just a joke compared to Panasonic.
But everything is not fantastic about Panasonic either. The S5II has much worse internal video quality than the first S5, yes AF and IBIS are good to very good, but the S5II has a lot of extra processing going on internally, making the image not as appealing as before.
I hope the S1II will bring back the excellent video quality of the first GEN. Meanwhile I only use BRAW on the S5II.
It’s really good low light even in raw,there is a lot more to it than noise reduction.
@@slows728 enjoyed reading your feedback. What is your experience encountering moire in clothing or fine architectural details with S5II? This has been my biggest holdup from jumping in as a Lumix GH5/G9 user. I can't confirm if the original S5 has an AA filter or not. I'm also thinking of waiting on the S1 successor whenever they may arrive.
Ah brilliant!! Thanks for this OBP 😊 I am taking my my OG S5 and S5iiX out today shooting a maize harvest in rural Australia, shooting interviews and jumping in and out of harvesters and tractors. That new HIGH ibis mode would have been handy!!
Fantastic! So glad I ordered this camera
wow I am even happier about my Lumix sII purchase now. Fantastic how they keep developing
I love the focus transition since the update. feels so much better, and more cinematic than before.
Great review 🙌🏽
This is amazing - I love your testing of the IBIS - Thank you - I am downloading it as soon as it comes later and testing it tomorrow :)
Can''t wait to download this new firmware for my S5iiX. Your videos have been very helpful. There's always something new ro learn here
Super useful video. Thx so much
great update 👍
good info, you have a good channel!
It's great to see Panasonic continue to fine tune the S5ii/x and improve its features. The IBIS is insane. It really makes it easy to consider the S5iix as my next camera.
Again, what a great video. The camera felt pretty complete already, but it's still improving 🎉. Only issue i had with it is some moire ruining some shots.
OMG you are the first person to talk about a date thank you
It literally says it in their website why would anyone talk about it ? Lol
@@Wolf_9499 because then it looks like it's out now. I just updated my firmware to 2.4 and thought something was wrong since there are tons of videos out making me think I should be at a higher update number. video game channels tell people when things are expected to come out. why not camera videos?
Good work for the community !
This S5ii series is becoming a high value for money that’s incredible.
Good work brother! Following you all the way from Kentucky, USA!
Great vid. I'm a big lumix m43 guy but want to begin investing in a new FF system. I'm either going Nikon or Lumix S5iix. If you don't mind adding your feedback, what is your experience with moire artifacts with building geometry or clothing patterns given lack of AA filter? I've read too many complaints so I'm a little gun shy now. The S5ii firmware updates you highlighted are great!
The most important thing most people would want Panasonic never gives it to us: "Fullframe 4k 60p mode Option, INTERNALLY"
Would this really make your videos better ? Am not sure so. I think people just want it for wanting it sometimes.
For me it was the reason to move away from Panasonic. I shoot everything in 60p cause I need the possibility to slow them down in post.
@@OBP_ When you buying something, you always justify the money you pay compare to other option there are in the market with your budget range. And also the possibility to resale this product you're buying now tomorrow on the market, to upgrade to a new one when you need it, or tired of it. For that, you have to make sure the tools you buy are interesting enough now to be interesting or catch the attention of others tomorrow, to benefit your future sales of this product. Just that! And that's the way it is!
Buying a camera, is not about creativity, it's about a tool for work. If this tool will be versatile enough for all kinds of things, or works, you would like to do now and in the future, or if after that, you will have to rent other tools for other types of work because of the limitations of this tool you bought.
Honestly, no one buys a camera for creativity. For creativity people go to film school, for creativity people analyze and reproduce movies to learn from, or make movies with less inexpensive tools you have like your smartphone or rent one. But if you are creative enough, or professional enough, you just lend a cheap camera from your freinds or family and use it for your film, or you just rent one for a few days but the indicated one for you the need of your film project. But, buying a camera, is actually not a creative thing and either thing real creative people use to do.
Real creative people in the film industry that we all know, don't buy cameras. And maybe even interested in the new models cameras that come out. Like Lars Von Trier, Steven Spielberg, Paul Greengrass, Matias Bize, Christopher Boe, Xavier Dolan or other, they just focus on the story they want to share to people using the Cinema Art as a tool to express their ideas and not The Tool (camera) as a cinema art machine to express their ideas. They never care about the camera for creating their stories, they just care about the story and what the story needs to be shared (purely) to the audience.
Let's be honest, we're all here because we're addicted to technology, to camera inventions, business tutorials and tools to review, things like that, mostly!!
And, that's ok!!
But that's why we need better specs in these tools, the newest specs, to show off and get the most attention on this market segmentation. But for film projects, stuff like that, creative people always rent cameras and never buy. We all know that!!
@@gamingfunfacts yeah! Me too. At least!.
Buy that, at least, I could justify more reason to buy it over the interestings Fuji XH2s, the Canon Eis R6 II and the Bmpcc 6k pro. Because they all seem to offer more for less money. For me!
I dont think the sensor is fast enough for 4k60p full frame, so a software update wont do. I hope it will be in a S1 mark2. Plus 120p 4k.
Just done extensive ‘before’ and ‘after’ tests with the new firmware. Good news is that IMO the e-stabilization with HIGH selected is better than the old FW. However…it’s not action camera (GoPro) stabilization standard as some YT posts have reported. My first test was to take S5ii and DJI Action 4 video footage at the same time. The DJI stabilization was superior to the S5ii.
But the most interesting insight is that that e-stabilization is better on its own (with IBIS). If you add a Lumix lens with O.I.S (such as the new 28-200mm that I received a few days ago) the video footage is worse than if you use IBIS/e-stabilization on its own. So if I am taking video and walking (without a gimbal) I will use one of my other non-O.I.S lenses to get the best e-stabilization
This is super interesting, thanks for all the work and great to know 🙌🏼🙌🏼
It is now live on the website!
the new macbooks actually have h265 encoding hardware, so they are smooooooth to edit, i have no problem working with 6K h265 files
I wish they do a frame io and proxy recording on the GH6
Is this firmware also suitable for the older DC-S5 (edition I)? The company website says DC-S5M2
Firmware updates that make the camera better and add features? Sony users would never comprehend
Somehow Sony can sell their generations-old sensor as the best thing since sliced bread. I think Sony is most of all very good at the influencer marketing game.
No proxy recording in open gate... do you think there's any chance they will update that? 🙏🏼🙏🏼
how about FHD full frame 50-60азі dfd switch?
Proxy cature is a massive time saver and great for collaboration
how about you try BLAZAR NERO 1.5X Anamorphic Adapter with the F/1.8 lumix lens set
Start with 50mm and longer
We would love to see someone testing them
I think its a great idea to have these lenses to use them with autofucos. Then you could use the adapter to have a made up new set of lenses
Thanks for your video. Sorry if my question is dumb but do we still need to purchase the paid firmware upgrade in order to shoot raw on the sII? Because I couldn't find where I can purchase it from, and wondered how much it would be!
Yes still a paid upgrade, it's super awkward, you have to buy it from a retailer and have them post the code to your address and to be even more awkward, it's the old code so it on most retailers as Vlog for the S1.
@@OBP_ ahh, that makes sense now. Thanks Oliver for your response. You're a lifesaver, as always.
Is it up for download now? I can’t find it
My GH5 still can't focus I was trying to use it yesterday for a live stream and was extremely frustrated. That was the reason I went to Canon because I did not want to worry about focus😊
I have the S5 and have thought about upgrading/. I use it mainly for photography at the moment but have just taken my first steps into video with a goal of creating music videos. Is it worth the upgrade for the S5ii for the autofocus alone?
Yes. S5ii/x is built more for video. The L mount lens for it are better for video then photos. There is so many features that helps with videoing on the Lumix video base cameras. The features you get for less then 2k is outstanding
Could you still get a perfect 16:9 aspect ratio crop for social media in this super 35 open gate with the high e-stabilization as you would with a full frame glass?
Yeah it's the same size as shooting non cropped, that's why I guessed it's just upscaling back to 6K but to me I can't see any loss in quality.
@@OBP_ Omg thats super interesting with the high stabe option. One could go for example with the sigma 10-18 and 18-50 with open gate and high stabe and covering 16mm to 75mm full frame for really cheap. I dont see any downsides or are there?
What you say about Mac not being able to edit h265 is not entirely true. Old macs sure, Apple silicon has h265 hardware encoders built in
This is sadly not going to come to the normal S5 is it?
Of course we wanted better IBIS, in 6K and OPEN GATE. The IBIS is very good when using 4K but seriously, it is not as good in 6K and pretty bad in OPEN GATE.
My question is how much this big crop impact image quality ? The video quality in 4K is not as good as on the S5 so I can't imagine with the 1,6x crop. Or maybe Panasonic has finally disabled the awful L2 image processing when using this mode ?
By the way, this new IBIS mode could be very good on the S1 and the S5 mark 1 because the video quality of these cameras is incredibly good.
AF fix? Already thought the S5ii was great Af and they have now made it even better.
❤
The 3 people that own this camera will be overjoyed. 😂
@OBP why have they abandoned the S1H? are they not able to upgrade that camera with better auto focus etc.?
The S1H doesn't have phase detect on the sensor
Yerp no PD in the camera, so not alot can be done I'm afraid.
I have the S5 and I am still learning but in some cases the AF is not good. even with a shutter speed of 1/3000 or lower I get some shoots really blur while taking pictures of my son.
Would you suggest to add the S5II to my bag or wait for the next S5?
TY
If you like your S5 but want better AF 100% the S5II should be your next camera
Might be interesting if next S1 will have more megapixels/ faster readout speed. But likely won't beat price performance of S5ii(x). Also a rangefinder style model might be upcoming, if you're not in a hurry could be worth waiting to see what's up.
Any idea when the S1H II coming?
I need the SIIH to have 120FPS 4K / 300 FPS FHD all internal
I hope the s1h2 has no 4k crop and nd filters and I think s1h2 would be a complete beast
4k 60 and 4k 120 uncropped. Open gate with same features would be awesome. And ND filters and I am in heaven. And we can all improve AF and please not compromise on color science and edibility.
next year
@@dvdaltizerbro i need it in a couple of weeks 😂
I have a huge theory about the rolling shutter at 08:23 .
In the linked video, this guy talks about how Black Magic's 6k rolling shutter is fixed when you used the gyro stablization.
I wonder 🤔 is this just a coincidence? Or is the rolling shutter reduction accidental byproduct of Gyro image stablization ?
Yeah this also crossed my mind. I think it's the same sensors and same algorithms for this new stabilization. Probs never know for sure.
For me nothing had happened. I have Lumix cameras. I love them. I would never buy anything else. BUT... Fhd 50fps is very important for me, because this is the only 50fps mode without cropping , and most of the time Fhd resolution is enough for me. Very dissapointing that those mode which I use 90% still has only CDAF. I'm so happy that every body is satisfied with the new firmwire, but come on Lumix, give me PDaf in Fhd 50Fps. I'm afraid it will never happen because it's not a software problem, it's due to poor hardware.
I purchased your guide several weeks ago and worked through a few of the subjects.
Now I don't recall my password. And your password recovery is not working at all so I can get a new password. Can you help me?
Just sent you an email.
😮😮
But what about the focking moire in this cameras ?
Is the crop in 4k 60 still there ?
that will not go away
The accent is interesting. If the word starts with "t" it gets pronounced. If a "t" exists anywhere else in a word it's ignored/skipped.
Any word on the HDMI lag?
No change. Apparently the lag is due to the way the processing chain is set up in the camera, so firmware changes can't improve it.
@@aldolega that’s a bummer. It’s the only complaint I have with the camera. It’s otherwise perfect for my needs. These updates are amazing. Hopefully it’s addressed in the next generation.
@@RedWolfMichigan I see them get a lot of flak for it online so I'm sure it's on the list for the next gen. If you're just monitoring off the HDMI, not recording, turn off the HDMI audio output, that speeds it up quite a bit and makes the lag less awful (still not great but better).
I wish it had 4k 60. 😢
Its not there yet, but best video i seen.
uh oh focus
It feels that the GH6 got forgotten by Lumix. It's really a shame. Such a powerful camera being bullied ...
I love this camera but the rolling shutter is a deal breaker for me. It destroys any shooting of action. Also BRAW is external only and doing so you lose open gate. If they fixed the rolling shutter I'd return to shooting with it as so much else is fantastic about it.
Yep, the updates makes them be-er
I hear Cockney man)
H.265 is neither the latest not the greatest.
Ever heard of AV1?
A very fitting username, there.
Are there any cameras with AV1? Not sure if there are hardware decoders available that would fit/work in a camera.
Name a camera that captures in AV1? Not even the Google Pixel does. Codec's have their place in capture, edit, playback/distribution. AV1 is great for playback/distribution, but doubt we will see its wider use across capture and edit for professional use.
Лучше бы они поработали с цветом и убрали фиолетовые тени и кислотный цвет листьев.