Porsche 911 Turbo S vs Yamaha R1M - Nürburgring Nordschleife
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- Playing cat & mouse with a good mate on his R1M, during super-quiet TF in August '20. Cold tyres at the start so no records broken ;) Both car & bike are June 2015 models.
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Respect to the Porsche driver for keeping a safe distance behind the bike and not trying a risky overtake on one of the slower corners
Exactly what I was thinking. As a lifelong biker I’m always glad to see car drivers giving bikers a bit of space. A fast car is always going to be quicker than fast bike but the risk factor is far higher for a rider. Ultimately, we drive and ride for leisure. Massive kudos to both the 911 driver and the M1 rider.👍🏼👏🏼
@@timmy6012 Agreed, but "A fast car is always going to be quicker than fast bike" only on overall lap time, because of better braking and cornering. That said, I love this video.
@@RichardASK
Depends on the track. World super bikes have some faster times 1:21.8 at Laguna seca for example. Finally a GTLM corvette C8 race car beat that time this year. The higher up the racing chain ie Formula 1 there’s no comparison due to incredible down force. The more stock they are giving equally talented rider /driver it all depends on the track. Isle of Man is a bike track cars cannot compete with the bikes but Nurburgring is a car dominated track for sure. Either way braking belongs to cars acceleration generally to bikes. They both corner at over 1G but downforce makes a huge difference as does bumps track conditions and transitioning directions RT LT RT etc cars are quicker at that.
@@psychbiker love this explanation, since owning a bike and been watching a lot of racing i’ve wondered which is faster around a track, my guess was correct though the braking and corner of cars is hard to compete with on 2 wheels
@@RichardASK Yeah...it comes down to the larger 'contact patch'. I agree, great vid. I will watch it again.
Power to weight is the key. The bike has the power but the car has the better brakes & bigger tyre contact patches. The Yammy R1 is an awesome bike. The Porsche is an amazing car. But it takes more skill to go round a track fast on a bike. Good video 👍
Exactly.
Awesome bike rider .
There is no such thing as "bigger tyre contact patches", traction = weight and not area, you're right about power to weight being the main factor, the difference in curve relates to the way cars/bikes are "steering".
@Hynea But then it also depends on the hysteresis/grippyness of the tyre. I don't know what tyres the R1 rider was using(Race or Road), but he was using them bloody well. As some road car people find, there is an ideal point, where the contact patch of the tyre(width), its hysteresis and the weight of the vehicle load are at an optimum for their use. However, it's very easy to go the wrong way, if either of the above parameters are wrong. Lets not get into different types of road surface and coefficient of friction. Easy to see why it's such a 'dark art' for F1 drivers to get their tyres switched on, at just the right point in a qualifying lap.
@@MarcoVB If it were that simple F1 cars would all use bicycle tires. Good rider in this video, building speed so he is not caught out by cold tires. Good driver for remaining patient. You could see the overlap where the car is naturally stronger and where the bike has the advantage. Also looks like both were stock so good comparison.
Result,Bike out accelerates Car,Car out brakes bike
Car is also much much faster in the corners
@@krabbe969 not sure about "much".
It's also a question of who's got the most to lose if they lose control.
Regardless, they're both very skillful
@@krabbe969 Only by far easier to drive. A bike needs skills when car is just for driver. Car for litlle scary pussies and bike for real men
A fast car will almost always close on a bike on braking and in the corners, but the way that R1M pulled away from a very quick car was staggering. This is the best video I've seen from the 'Ring', Superb and very brave riding, well done.
It's hardly surprising that bike pulls away so quick with 170hp+ and light weight under 400lbs. These bike have incredible handling and modern tyres are extremely good and very grippy
@@geraldeade391 I agree with your first point, but the power is 188bhp and 439lbs, to which you have to add the rider's weight. Overall, that rider was really on it and the bike is superb.
@@RichardASK I was a bit out on the specs, i agree the rider was excellent and the R1 is an excellent bike, very fast, good handling and very good brakes
@@geraldeade391 I've got a Yamaha MT10, which is a detuned version of the R1 with 160bhp and is also about 25kgs heavier, which is not helped once I get on it. However, what sold me on the bike before I even rode it was the sound of the CP4 crossplane engine. It is truly a magnificent sound and feel. Yamaha have really moved on with the quality of their bikes. Round the track, the MT10 would be left by an R1, but for the road, the MT10 is, for me, the better and more comfortable bike with terrific useable midrange power.
@@RichardASK the mt10 is one of my favourite naked bikes, also fancied getting a mt07 myself
It’s much harder to ride a bike at high speed than drive a car at high speed
The car is always going to out brake a bike and a bike will always out accelerate a car
But weigh up the cost of the Porsche against the cost of the bike and you get a lot more fun for your money with the bike, well done to driver and rider
Spot on.
Depends how you get your fun, surely? I know successful bike and car racers, and most own both motorbikes and cars, because they offer something different.
@@RobManser77 Car owners prefer cars cause easier and doesn t need any skill. a bike requires skills and balls.
I have now watched this five times and I'm still amazed at the bike's acceleration, especially when you consider what a tiny contact patch a bike's tyres put down, compared to the huge amount the Porsche has available. If the bike rider is an amateur, then he's an effin great rider, with great positioning. As I said previously, this is a fantastic video.
traction is proportional to weight only (simple speaking accelerate load rear, break loads front)
it would take an advanced rider to put a 911 turbo out of sight completely.
For what you can see on the videos, both drivers are hobby drivers. As the car drivers constraint is the bike, maybe the potential of the car driver is a lot higher as what is visible. Maybe also the bike driver is a lot more skilled. But judged by the cars speed and the line taken by the bike, this was a just for fun round. Braketime was very eary, corner speed was low, line wasn't a race line. Acceleration itself doesn't need lots of skills. The bike has 1ps / kg, TCS, SCS, LIF, QSS, PWR, YRC and most likely even more features. You just go max wrist and the bike makes the most of it.
@@Sqwan2 Do you ride a powerful Sports Bike? Doesn't sound like it to me!
@@RichardASK I did the last 15 years. For 3 year now, I switched to a less powerfull bike. Also I know the "Nordschleife" pretty well, because I live close to it.
No, I am not as god as the biker on the video, but I saw a couple 100 biker do it better.
Do you ride a powerfull bike?
I know, you will not belive me, but look for yourself: Murtanio did 7:45 on a R6, Pallavicini did 7:22 on a R1 on a crowded ring. I also saw 7:20. Carlile did 7:10 in rain (I didn't saw it, but it was written in a bike magazine).
EDIT: I found the 7:20. It was done on a stock GSX-R 1000
1000cc power right there!! So sick to see it pull out of the corners from a very very fast car's perspective
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@@High-Performance-IQwat isn jetzt los?
Turbo s is slow
@@High-Performance-IQ German undermen always prefer cars caus too scary with bikes
A gentleman's race
That cracked windshield though!! 😨🥶
Thanks for this wonderful 9 Minutes. A 911 Turbo S is more than fascinating.
Kompliment an beide, für Fahrkönnen und Respekt.
Der 911 Fahrer ist ein souveräner Sportsmann! Danke.
Sometimes a motorcycle and a rider are like a perfect fitting hand in glove, this is one of those moments 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
Nice riding sir. Good form and big Cahoones on some of those rises.
Very nice vid, and ride/drive skills for both.
The car has all the gimmicks to assist any driver. That bike requires simply balls!!!
And rather large ones at that!
I agree with you. Easier to drive fast with this car as drive fast as these good biker rider. With the Bike, there is wind, noise, in some corners the track is not good and if theres a crash, the bones are broken. With car, you go to the Coffee Bar and have fun.
@@aircloud1 But when the lap is finished on the bike, the feeling is sublime!
I tried to look up in the lap records of the Nordschleife what the potential performance would be without the vehicles having to pass each other or other vehicles holding them up. Unfortunately, the posted lap records are for different length courses, so I had to convert to average speed to get a closer but not exact comparison.
Best lap for a street legal Porsche Turbo S on the 20.8 km circuit, is 7 minutes 17.11 seconds, average speed 171.33 km/hr.
Best lap for a bike is for a Yamaha YZF-R1 on the 19.1 km bridge to gantry circuit, 7 minutes 10 seconds, average speed 159.96 km/hr.
A TT rider would humiliate even a track prepped TurboS for fun on a stock 2004 5VY R1 and anyone who disagrees simply knows nothing about road racing which this place is and you find that out real quick. I've seen 20yr old R6s with €600 in mods do untimed mid 6mins BTG with god like riders on them. I know this because they passed me and I do 7 and a half with mediocre traffic or boy racers day getting cut up all over the place.
Just after 5:17 there's a face in the clouds ;).
Great vid.
All looks coool but believe me on a bike it is really quick!
Is that a low tyre pressure warning on the Porsche drivers display?
Interesting. Both car and bike piloted very well. Bike has the legs on the gas but I noticed the car driver lifting here and there. I own both btw. But my riding/driving skills aren’t at this level…
Nice diving and riding by both .
There’s a video of a speed triple RR doing the lap a minute quicker. Wonder what the difference would have looked like there. Great video BTW
I’m surprised the R1 can accelerate that rapidly…owing to the added weight of the riders MASSIVE BALLS!
You think about other mens' testicles a lot, do you? What do you like most about them?
Addictive video. A real joy
That porsch is a seriously stable car at speed.
Very quick acceleration from bike and is extremely fast on the straights, car is better in corners
No surprises there then.
@@RichardASK none whatsoever
Who is the rider on Yamaha M1?
What tyres was the car on?
Quite remarkable how much the car gains back going into the corners? Not sure what year that R1 is, but that amazing pull it displays going out of the corners would make me think it is a year with the cross-plane engine?
The heading says R1M, so it has to be the CP4 engine.
If you look at the minimum speeds in the Porsche, he's driving it very gingerly! Aremberg for example: without going nuts, most cars I've driven apex at around 60mph on normal road tyres. I've just checked my Elise in-car video (a careful lap done on holiday - it was my only road car at the time and I certainly wasn't pushing) and it was bang on 60mph (standard Elise S2 111S). If you watch other ring laps I'm sure this is fairly typical. This guy's going about 45-50mph min speed through there (doesn't reach 60mph until halfway through the exit on the power), maybe held up by the bike I guess? If that's the case - neither were truly on it, and my message to anyone in the comments is that these were two guys enjoying themselves in close proximity to each other, not trying to show which is quicker.
It looks way faster on camera, 184kmh, is 114mph, great vid, driver, and rider. I've been round on my Busa.....scary, but a bucket list ticked.
Well done Mark. Coming back from the South of France in 2004, my mate and I thought we'd also do the 'bucket list' ticking exercise, so we headed across towards the Eiffel mountains(I was on my Blackbird and he was on a ZX9R) and the bloody 'monsoon' arrived, when we were just 20k away. So we decided not to bother and turned around and came straight back to Blighty. No real opportunity since, but it's still on the 'to do list'.
@@RichardASK Do it. At least your on the continent...
Why motoGP never using this circuit? And what's the reason?
Skilled and brave biker!
It's funny how the comments are arguing about cars vs bikes and can't tell the bike is riding a leisurely pace while the driver is pushing it. That R1 is barely braking for corners. I'd guess the rider is giving it about 60%.
Watching this is even better at 1.5 speed.
This is such a beautiful landscape. Taking into account that the video focusses on the pinnacle of 4 wheel and 2 wheel technology makes for one of the best ring videos I have seen! I'd say the main differences between the bike and car comes down to power to weight ratio and tire grip. As for which is faster....in my opinion, that bike was at its limits and seemed to be searching for grip and stability...at times. I did not see the Porsche unsettled at any point on the track but a little heavy on corner exits compared to the bike (but then again, there was more than one passenger in the 911). Given the strengths of both machines, I'd say the 911 would beat the Yamaha on a fair ring time comparison.
No doubt, on a long track like this with these corners the Porsche takes the win, it was braking way earlier than necessary on many of the corners, understandably so to keep a safe distance from the biker.
The bikes only have power to weight going for them, modern track capable cars with sufficient power are much more rounded in performance capability, they own them.
Acceleration and top speed the R1 is always going to be quicker but round the bends, the Porsche is always going to have the edge.
Keep practising on the bike. Take it easy.
Takes balls to ride that with armco as the runoff
km/h ???????
enjoyed your video
Se transmite la adrenalina
The bike tends to only be in the middle of the lane. It’s probably due and debris but that’s why the bike is not cornering faster…and he’s not leaning enough, but that also goes with him entering the corner while he’s in the middle of the lane. You should be on the outside then go in.
Bikes have no downforce for turns.
is that MPH or KM
Km
Awesome!
How about you show us how fast these guys are going
That was soooo sweeeet! You guys tho'
Did not expect the R1 to have such a massive advantage in acceleration against the fastest road going 911 Porsche make
it's a bike, less weight better acceleration off the line
Car owners never do, they have no idea.
@@markholroyde9412 LMAO, I am 62 have been riding for more years than I care to remember, also was a member of PCGB (no longer) the current turbo 911 is staggeringly fast, just surprised that the bike can pull away so much not that it does pull away however we don’t know the relative skill/experience levels of the rider versus driver which certainly has an influence
@@UltimateDazzle My Daily driver has 940hp mate, I know about "fast" cars....and i'm 60 years old.
@@markholroyde9412 good for you and I hope you enjoy it too , my point was your reply to me assumes that I have only experience of cars which is not the case that’s all , I understand the advantages and limitations of both but
I don’t think the bike is really pushing it ,seems very fluid but not trying too hard to get away ,quite a bumpy circuit in places
Great video. I am a bike rider too but especially in nurburing the cars are faster.
If the R1 was ridden by someone who could ride it properly, the Porsche wouldn’t have got anywhere near it. It was an entertaining video nonetheless.
El del coche sabe pilotar , el piloto de la moto sabe conducir pero no pilotar, otra persona mas experimentada en la R1 da las buenas noches al Porche 🤣
If the rider on the R1M was a professional rider, that could take the bike to 80% capability or more, the car would have ZERO change of catching it. Think if the bike was a kitted H1R…nuff said.
h1r ? whats that ?
@@CunningStuntsGoFast it's a 300+ hp Kawasaki motorcycle, only for the brave, capable of insane acceleration and speed
@@geraldeade391 ah i thought he ment that bike . thats not a good bike for any track that has corners . the balls he was tlaking about are on the guys on sportsbikes doing the cornering , like the biker in this vid . the kawa h turbo is a joke as a sportsbike
Ducatis are well made for track faster than any Kawasaki H2R H2 around a track for example V4 superleggera V4R
Straight line the H2R will win
But on track ducatis will win
@@Smzxe ducatis yamahas , anything sports with 600 cc or over will make a big heavy kawa h look slow and silly
The Porsche seems to be way below it’s limits.
It looks like the rider wasn’t really sure where the track went.
Sorry to say. Both far away from any Limits. Impressiv to see the acceleration of the Porsche👍
Good rider, goood bike!
That rider wasn't even on the limit either, there are other bike pov vids of the nordschleife and they all pushed harder than this guy
Bike slowed down the car many times. Car faster on track. Congratulations for not trying to overtake and killing him
R1😎💪💪😍
Uuuuuuuf. Genial
The biker holds the Porsche driver back, he should give way to faster vehicles
The car was maybe at 7/10 in the turns, no tire squeal....
Dans le sinueux, la moto est à la peine, et en entrée de virage, ça freine beaucoup plus pour pouvoir passer !
in curve you should take advance ,pathethic how you try cac him
great car
but
very poor engine sound ?
that porsch gotz zourque man...
When one considers the cost of the Porsche against the R1!!! I would be gutted that the Yamaha outgunned the car at every corner!! 😅🇬🇧👍
A 5k gsxr1000 would do same man its crazy. 1000cc bikes totally different performance, 750bhp per tonne inc rider just mega
he can't race them properly cause you know it's still a guy on a bike and one hit could end his life while the driver of the car would be harmless, the car seems to be at ease and hardly sweating too
@@MrLeeson660 But the GSXR would be lacking that fabulous CP4 engine sound.
What do you mean outgunned at every corner... Lol the car destroyed the bike in the corners lol the bike was faster in the straight lol
Gotta love how the only way a car can keep up with a liter bike is if it costs $200k lol.
bike should have let him by as he was holding him up. regardless of straight line acceleration the bike is just slower overall
If you you know the road / track then its easy to go fast, I'd out race any of these 911's etc etc if they were on the roads around my manor.
How I would love to see a pro rider allowed to set a lap time here.
I’d love to see a Moto GP level rider on the RING. Give them a newer liter bike like an R1 and time to learn the track. On race day with no traffic they would clock below a 7 min lap. The bikes are capable they just need the skill and courage of a world class rider.
@@psychbiker
I was thinking Peter Hickman perhaps mate?
No disrespect to Andy Carlisle but I’d say Hicky would be 15 to 20 seconds quicker round an average short circuit on his current bike let alone the Ring.
@@Officialnrb
Yeah a proper Isle of Man TT Rider like Peter Hickman would have the stones to do it and the talent as well. Put him on some 15 year newer machinery then the time would drop 30 seconds or so. The record holder was on a 2005 R1…ancient technology! With the extra 25 -40 HP depending on the bike, better handing , even traction control and a world class rider, below 7 mins is definitely possible!
normally the bike has no chance against the car, because of much slower curve speed......
No offence but the R1 rider isn't crazy good. Very static body position...
Guy on the R1M is not racing, he is just cruising. He could have come out of the corners faster.
Who drives a 911 Turbo S and can't afford to fix a badly cracked windshield?
bit boring , but to me the Porche was being slowed down in places by the Yam
R1 deff has the advantage here on a real straight it would leave the porsche for dead
if Rossi was on that bike he be gone ! Cheers
That's what you could get from the GOAT.
Peter Hickman would be better.
The Porsche is not even trying. The driver could have been eating a sandwich or even something that requires utensils.
I am by no means a great bike rider but that rider wasn't digging as hard as he could in the corners. Rossi or Schwantz would have left dust behind them.
Peter Hickman would be better.
Seems to me the 911s Turbo was filming not racing. It also seems to me that the R1 rider didn't know the course that well..
Despite not knowing the course, you should consider the R1 rider a master when you see his tires sliding on the way out of a corner.
Winner yamaha r1 👏🏻🔥
Der Typ auf der R1 fährt um die 75% der Leistung. Und schont seine Bremsen falls es euch aufgefallen ist.
The Porsche driver has much better lines. The R1 rider is too close to the inside of each turn before initially executing the turn.
Car requires little or no skill the bike well that’s a totally different level of skill.
To dangerous for my liking, to many fast car and bike all together, not a good combination for me to many egos,although this driver did give the biker room, other I'm sure are not so keen, and want to show off more.stay safe enjoy.
Its so funny to see that Porsche playing around with that tiny toy.. No offence that Porsche better than that bike
Car is PlayStation. Bike is real life.
It doesn't look like the guy on the bike is pedalling very hard.
He was braking early going slow on the throttle he was not trying
That bike can do faster lap times than 992 turbo S or GT3RS
Look at the straights the porche looked like a volkswagen polo 😂
@@Smzxe u r dreaming. Superbikes dont have track speeds like supercars. Despite all that acceleration the car easily reached the bike in every corner, without even trying to. The bike here has no chance.
@@bibhabbag1 I have seen a old ZX10R set a lap time of 2:33 on Spa-Franschochamps
McLaren P1 is a HyperCar it's lap time on spa is 2:39 Ferrari Laferrari 2:37 Porche 918 Spyder did 2:36 what ever they are HyperCars
Porche GT2RS went 2:32 it's fully built track car GT3RS however did 2:38
Most supercars can't even do that
And ZX10R isn't the best bike for track out there
Yamaha R1M Ducatis V4S V4R V4 Superleggera many more Ducatis aprillias MV Augusta M4S are much faster around a track than The Zx10R
Bikes can actually go faster go around a track even if they can't corner as fast as those HyperCars supercars whatever they are
You're actually dreaming you don't have balls to ride a motorcycle poossie
A bike takes 10 times more skill to ride than driving a car around a track
You got no balls sit down
@@Smzxe @Sam TV YT see kid, i have been riding bikes for over 20 years, hardly there has been a bike that has easily beaten a car. Where as a car has almost always been easily fast or faster than a bike. Just dont go gaga over acceleration.
And these lap times that u r quoting, were these laps done on a clear track or with traffic, and who was driving those vehicles? U havent had much experience with cars so u r in awe of bikes now. Wait till u grow a bit older and experience car speed on tracks.
@@bibhabbag1 these videos are just for fun not comparing these vehicles
If you really compare some lap times
The Ducati bikes are faster than almost 90% of the supercars around a track for example Porsche GT2RS Ferrari 488 pista
HyperCar categories are McLaren senna P1 Ferrari Laferrari Porsche 918 Spyder Zx10R beats them on Spa track but not senna
Only senna is the car that can go head to head these Ducatis around a track I'll be honest but bike like Ducati V4 Superleggera And V4R can beat senna on Longer tracks like Silverstone nurburghing etc.
I could rip the two of you a new one on a 1999 Yam R6 no joke. Why was his knee out all the time with zero body shifting on the bike? New rider he needs to learn the trade on a 300cc. I've seen plenty of older guys 60+ that adapted the zero seat shift riding style and a lot of bigger guys maybe 6ft5" 17+stone guys ride the bike without moving about on it but this style is not suited to knee out as you are relying on your body as a tube to force the bike about, in contrast a proper riding style where you are constantly moving about on the seat using the tank as a chest pivot is beneficial to have the knee out as you're effectively relying on the bike naturally steering tight while on the throttle as your entire body is hung off it like a monkey. This rider has confused styles and his line discipline is that of a newer rider too. I can happily tip up and smoke anyone who's got anything to say about what I've just stated. Just let me know as I beat TurboS for fun
this really
bullshit
my r6 night night
It is difficult to crutch the bike! Because it's a superbike! ! It's anYamaha yzf1000 r1!!! It's equai to a bullet....!
All that acceleration and still the car was hardly sweating it keeping up with it despite no where being close in speed to it.
Shows how much faster cars are around tracks against a bike.
The rider obviously isn’t a good one lol. Look at how slow and early he brakes when approaching each corner. There’s so many if/and’s but seriously that bike would run away from that Porsche with a WSBK rider on it.
@@mt10-nick66 yeah. The rider isnt a fast one. But come on if u bring a wsbk rider in then a gt racer or a lmp racer would easily beat that bike, is what one can say too
@@bibhabbag1 depends on the track. A short circuit track which is way shorter than the nurburg and way less corners, you will find bikes many of the times will beat the cars round the track.
Obviously cars have the advantages with braking and grip that's just physics but every track is different.
Oh and by the way i love both fast bikes and cars
Il prendre trop mal les virages le motard jsp si il découvre
Faut le doubler la au lieu d, amusé
👀🏍️ 🤪🚗💨
18 000€ vs 80 000€
200kg vs 1600kg
@@jozefjozefczyk3936 500 HP vs 200 HP 😊
riders is not very fast at all, super late turn ins, late on the gas, very shy on the leans.
this is what a fast rider looks like against a car at the ring
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