Addressing the BIGGEST DRAMA in Wuthering Waves! Echo Investment Controversy!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 มิ.ย. 2024
- So I've seen a lot of discourse around 44111 vs 43311. In this video, I go over my advice for these two different echo set ups, mainly for the electro / lightning element in Wuthering Waves. Yinlin is the focus of this video and today's calculations.
0:00 | Drama Overview
3:16 | Arguments for the Builds
8:32 | When is 44111 Good?
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The fact that Taceit field is so expensive and the Exp isnt that big to upgrade the Echoes is downer for me, hopefully in the next update they improve the Exp to upgrade the echoes.
They’ve already addressed it and will be adjusting Tacet field drops so we’ll see how it goes next patch.
I mean to be fair we dont even have max difficulty unlocked, so its like trying to farm for endgame on medium droprates, ofc it feels rough
It's not, they are much better than genshin and star rail
44111 for casuals and keep your sanity
43311 for BIS
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Idk everyone is judging the amount of rewards the teceit field gives while no one reached the end game yet. We don't even know how much it gives, right now it's like farming relics at TBL 30, yeah of course it's bad. Especially since exploration give us an headstart in mats, it feels even worse to use energy for that. And I'm not saying that there is no problem, I'm just saying that it is not possible to know if there is one right now.
Building a character without a crit weapon is a nightmare... Eco exp is so rare
Fun fact: in this game you don't even need crit stats so much like in Genshin, Atk scales very good and adding elem. dmg to that and you are ready to go. Crits is only better if you have VERY good crit ratio, like 70/200+ 😅
It's not too bad, at least it's better than Genshin or HSR. You just need to roll the Crit stats and it's done. In Genshin and HSR you can get double crit and max it out and have it not hit any Crit at all.
My Calcharo has the 5 star standard weapon and has 60 CR and 220 CD. Not the best, but still pretty good.
Atk scales so well because it is early game
Similar to early Genshin@@iforgetiamacat8348
@@iforgetiamacat8348why is this? Are all the multipliers higher than genshins?
@@flipside9608 arguably worse, u have to not only roll double crit but also high roll them. I got 6.3% crit rate on 60% of my rolls (30% 6,8%) which is the lowest while the highest is 10%+
that roll rate is litteral bull crap. End game is gonna be cancer
Me in team 444 keeping quiet in the corner
Brother eww brother eww
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Me with 4431 😂
WTF! What a f***ing psychopath!!!
3333 cult looking for member 😂
Drama?! In my waves?!
Are you Wuthering my Waves rn!?
@@Marryjanesbud I'm having the Wuthering Waves of my life rn. Yinlin is giving me everything she got XD
Haha. I'm more than happy to leave the drama to that "other game."
there is a drama? right in front my wuthering
I can't believe my waves are being wuthered by someone else
Me who kills every creature that attacks or can be attacked by me, I can see this as an W-W situation.
*wintolose-wintolose situation
Same here
W-W Wuthering-Waves ?
@@byakugan641 You can't spell it without the "W"
@@robinrocque6336 It was fun at the beginning but honestly, it feels tiring for me now personally. Not to mention, everything feels expensive stamina-wise. Like, tf you mean 60 energy to get boss mats and domains? That 240 cap just looks good in paper but actually shtty in practice. I'm tired of just aimlessly killing mobs in openworld to farm echoes, but then again if you do tacet fields the drops are sht as well and feels not worth it compare to the energy cost. 💀
What a fun video you made 😊 This drama is actually very appreciated as healthy debate amongst theory crafters creates growth
As one CC elegantly put it, 44111 is pretty viable FOR NOW during the early game. I'm not gonna lose my sanity and TIME (since I don't play the game for a living) hunting for those elusive 3 cost elemental damage echoes only for them to turn out having trash substats. Considering how limited echo exp and tuners are, let alone how expensive it is to level them, I'm not gonna treat my account as if the game has been out for a year with tons of echoes and resources to burn.
EDIT: As what I've stated above, there's no argument that 43311 is the most optimal build. What I'm pointing out, as some have completely missed unfortunately, is that in this EARLY STAGE of the game (can't emphasize that enough), I'd want my characters to be up and running with decent stats with the finite resources that we have.
This is so obvious that idk how this even turned into a debate.
@@glovs4188 all this started from a certain number crunching, meta slave CC (1010) discouraging everyone to build this 44111 setup since its not "optimal".
The thing is, even at even substat distribution, the difference in terms of power both sets provide is almost negligible, ranging from 3 to 5% gain for opting to choose 43311. I think the drama started when purists who religiously refresh waveplates say that the difference in power gain is huge, when it wasn't even the case at all.
just get the 3 cost echo from event (mallable elite)..
@@kakolukia13 that's the thing. even with the guaranteed on-set elemental damage from those, you're still not guaranteed that it would be good once you roll it. It goes back to my previous statement that not everyone has the luxury and resources at this point in the game to do waveplate refreshes and farm echo exp. I'm saving those malleable elites once I have enough resources to throw around.
Honestly glad that the clearly intended 43311 is better, would be quite the mess otherwise for future balancing and it would devalue all the event echoes we get.
Exactly
Thank you for actually providing numbers and evidence for the various combinations of these sets. Literally all I wanted was that graph you show comparing the %'s of each set. I have no idea why it took so long for someone to do this. Certain other guides misrepresented people's arguments for 44111, and also just completely beat around the bush with overly complex math instead of just showing the actual numerical differences between each set combination. Outside of that there were other creators who made the argument for 44111 without any evidence at all, and naturally, the actual truth was somewhere in the middle.
9:12 Calcharo is more than happy to WHAT... ?!
You heard him
@@touchedme1637 It's a cannon event!
literally canon ship, my team.
Wait until the drama break out again when cost update to 15, with 44411 set or 33333 set or 44331 set. 😅 (Or let's make it more complicated it with 5 cost echo in the future update)
confirm/leaks or speculation?
@@siliconhawk9293no, bro is just joking
Ive played enough games to know that different multiple damage multipliers is always better, losing the element damage just to get little bit more crit isnt gonna be good in the long run especially when we are gated by 2 resources to even level up and tune an echo
I hope in future updates they allow you to morph blue and purple tuners into gold because I have like 1.1k purple tuners and still growing that will probably never be used unless they make an update to tacet fields which makes it optimal to upgrade the purple echos, currently at this point it’s just wasting xp.
there is another one boss with 2 4 cost, which is moonlit set, 1 calamity boss and 1 overlord boss, beside the electro and havoc.
if i m not mistaken, forgot to mention 3 cost echoes also drop 2 types of sets(+pain).
why are people arguing about sauce codes?
Different strokes for different folks ig
😂😂😂😂
wait now I wonder, what pops up in R34 when we use these codes.
Give me the real sauces code then, people keep arguing which one is the real one
Lmao, I put those codes they are trash old doujins, I need something better
i liked the way you named it rainbow and gettting slammed on the ring HAHAHAHA
spreadsheeters has coming out and said that 43311 only do roughly 8-10% more damage than 44111, and the gap close even more the more substats are added. so dont worry too much, use what you have. 44111 with 50% crit rate and crit damage is much better than 43311 with no crit at all
7:36 the only off set elemental piece that's worth leveling is when it's moonlit clouds. For instance, you can do moonlit clouds with glacio damage bonus for sanhua and it's still worth it if you're planning for sub dps sanhua and also maybe rejuventating glow? Atm I don't have any ER stat on my verina so I'm using spectro damage bonus for now
6:00 I think this is just wording issue. Probably what people meant is 2P Void + 3 random set pieces. Because if you have 5P Void 44111, you will always have 2P Void(4-cost and 1-cost) for this 43311. This was also what TenTen was talking about.
Though I'm not sure if this will be enough to catch up to 44111.
As always IWTL, you're very reliable CC than others ❤
whatching you since 2022 i just appreciate your videos
Thank you so much, I am glad that i built the right one
It really is funny to me that this ever became an argument.
Like yeah, obviously 43311 is better in a perfect world, but 90+% of the player base lives in reality, not the super happy perfect-Echo-dreamland.
And it turns out, that in this reality that most of us live in, 44111 is convenient, comfy and a 10% "potential" damage loss is entirely irrelevant.
They don’t have a life that’s all.
The irony is that 10% loss of damage can be easily off set by ranking up your 5 star weapons cuz it's much easier to get the 5 star weapons u want, spending or not
Just get an R2 and you're good to go 👍
Sh1t, if u feel like going all out, u can R5 ur weapon with a good chance that u wouldn't even need as much money as u think or just save for a few patches to go for the weapon u want as an F2P
You can't even use 44111 in many sets. Unless you try to mix sets with mech and the atk% set. You are losing more than 20% with certain elements.
And also why are people even trying to min max at the start. The reality is start with the half ass build and slowly progress yourself to a 43311 build over the months. 43311 is not just locked to no lifers or a "perfect world". People acting as if we got perfect stats in HSR and Genshin day 1 and it didn't take months to fix our builds.
I like how the video is more of a guide than discussion of drama. Very productive contribution to the WW community
It's very simple, if you have a good Crit Ration on a 43311 (I think having around 50-60 Crit Rate is pretty good) then definitely go with it since it will provide more damage but if your 43311 has bad Crit Ratio then go with 44111 while also farming for a better 43311 or 2-Piece + 2 Piece also works pretty decent, but again at the end of the day try getting a better 43311 since again that's the BIS on any character
Why go 50-60 crit rate when you can go 70-90 crite rate?
@@newtype79not all players have the same luck 😅
very obvious neither of you finished the video lol
Another thing people arent considering is that in 43311 even if one of ur 3 cost is atk% it's not that much worse. There very well may be the case where we get a unit with a lot of built in dmg%, that they can run either atk% 3 cost or maybe 44111 might outperform. Or a broken support unit that gives 50% dmg bonus or something. Think about it like if you were using kazuha/ruanmei etc, often times it's better to go atk when you get dmg% from elsewhere. Kuro wouldn't make the echo system this flexible not on purpose, I bet a year from now there will be lots of viable echo setups on different units other than 43311
Good to know I’m doing it right and glad to know that atk% is okay for 3 cost echos
Echo merge is also another source of cost 3 element echoes, I was lucky and got a flautist electro, and a tambourine glacio with glacio sonata effect
Same I dnt farm ele atk 3 cost. I just merge got a qutue alot
Yeah same, have done some merging and got some good ER piece for Verina and Baizhi.
Its still gacha, it just slight bonus to whoever farm echoes and its more rare to pray for it to be 3 cost, let alone the monster you want, let alone correct set, and also correct element lol.
And you need echoes fodder, you dont have those if you are people who done enough for farming echo madness.
I've farmed like a week total an hour a day for electro and fusion element echos and got multiple of each. Really not hard. Set your SOL level lower and use high level attack boosting food. Ez game
@@traincore1955 Sure, so how are the substats on them after leveling up?
Hope it's not flat hp and flat def like me cause my DPS can REALLY use hp and def right?
The thing we most need is either salvage option to turn bad echoes into exp materials, or just the option to use echoes themselves as exp fodder.
Based take
Since the level of data bank can be increased in the future, is it possible for the cost limit to be increased too?
@IWinToLose Since you have Jiyan's S6.. For his Lib calulation s0 vs s6, is the damage multiplier additive or multiplicative??
i got burn out farming echo,i don't waste my time anymore just to kill bird.at least i already has alot echo but i can't upgrade because i don't have exp for echo -,-
I'm only doing 44111 but as a atk 2 piece with electro 2 piece since materials were scare early and I was trying to get multiple units online to 18/30 adversity (which i did). Currently am doing my moonlight farming cause thats the most important set rn for mortefi and sanhua then ill go back to my encore and calcharo and get their sets done (unless I replaced them by then)
i just want to point out that it 44111 can be ran with ele & lingering set with two 4 costs (even if the set originally only has one).
you can use 2 4's of the same kind along with one 1cost of the same set and then the remaining 2 costs be lingering set, it's also better for the stat stick btw since lingering gives atk%
The man the myth the legend himself dude lets gooo
what if they increased the echo limit to 13? would 44311 be any good? (expecting a lvl 90 build with a lot of base stats)
6:15 "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SMOKING"
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Thanks for touching on the rainbow build discussion as well! 🙏🏾
No wonder it took me so long to build my Electro team and Havoc Rover. The odds were against me the entire time.
How about 44111 for the energy set sir (the set have 2 4 cost bosses as well Bird and turtle) Im building mortefi for my jiyan and it is like impossible just to get a fire bonus 3 cost for him let alone getting it twice. Love to hear your thought
5:49 Number 1 reason to play Wuthering Waves. (Thank you for this LOOOL)
does yinlin's punishment mark's dmg gets boosted by resonance skill dmg bonus?
bro im farming that sponge like mushrooms for havoc rover to get havoc dmg bonus. AND now its been been 3 days and i only got 1 pice, and that pice has 3 defence 😠
When are we getting mobile controller support, like Backbone on iPhone? Or the PS5 version?
I have desired main stats on 43311 for both Calcharo and Yinlin but I keep farming 3 costs for more elemental damage in case my subsets will be bad when I have enough exp to level them. lol
I used moonlit set up for Yinlin in order to support Calcharo which is INSANE
Me playing Calcharo wirh the atk set and Yinlin with the ER set to boost him. Is it really bad? =x
Hey man, can you clarify the "crit crit" main stats here? Did you use CritDMG + CritRate, is it double CritRate? Because two theory crafters that I saw had similar calculations with 44111 having just 5 to 3% less damage than a 43311, but yours is 10%. Can you elaborate on that further?
It's either, as long as the final Atk+CRate+CDmg between 43311 vs. 44111 sets are the same or almost the same.
Let's say the final stats for comparison should be around 1.5 atk and 70/200 crit, one still has just to adjust the correct substats rolls per set to meet those final stats in the end.
@@srdeku but that's the thing, the data he shows here (which didn't really specify any of the substats), says that each of the eches only have 3 substats, which I assume is crit rate/ crit damage/ atk% since those are the only optimal substats for damage, if that were the case and he used two crit rate main stats instead of crit rate/crit damage, then there's no way that the stats would be balanced out for proper testing, because a CR/CR mainstat would have lower damage ceiling, and would heavily favor the one with higher non-crit damage. Idk, it looks iffy to me especially when there little to no data being shown.
@@willrevillame3288 Keep in mind that he used Yinlin and her weapon (crit rate). So if you're him, the sensible way to balance 44111 vs. 43311 is you're probably gonna use only 1 crit rate 4-cost in a 44111 set (or none at all) and not 2 since you're gonna reach over 100% if you did (forte skill tree has 8%, 15% from skill). Also, 5 *max* value crit rate substat roll across those 5 echoes already gives 50%. But to balance everything, you don't really need to use max values.
@@srdeku I honestly have no idea how Yinlin works, but if that's the case wouldn't the experiment be more balanced if he opted for double Crit Damage instead to balance everything out? I think that will yield the best possible outcome, since she already had so much crit to begin with.
@@willrevillame3288 Although she gets 15% cRate, it only lasts for 5 seconds so just enough until she release her forte skill and outro skill. It's not really a bad idea to reach 80% or beyond for consistency's sake but cdmg main stat on the 4-cost is not bad, too, especially if you get her weapon.
But we're not really talking about the optimal stats here. In his calculator, as long as the final stats are the same the comparison should be reliable. He just have to adjust the substats roll or combine crate+cdmg 4-cost main stat to achieve same stats.
Finally, in my opinion, I think the 43311 set was better (if they have the same stats) is because of those dmg% mods and extra flat Atk stats. Without any crit, those stats alone are a big boost to overall dmg.
I used 44111 when i first started, to have 2 crit rate pieces to crit more in early game. I moved to 43311 when i was around rank 30+ as i could get gold pieces and really start farming and investing into pieces with crit subs, reducing the need to have 2 crit pieces and instead, bring in elemental dmg % and more atk % for more overall dmg
Will you upload the ultimate clorinde guide soon?
Energy Regen set also has two 4 costs as well
is the spreadsheet you are using publicy available?
when we get 2 4 cost healing set it will be 44111 on verina and healers
No, because you want energy regen on them which is only on 3-cost.
4 healing bonus
3 er
1 atk
is better for verina so nah
@@hurrikayn both cost 3 are for ER?
@@littleboss2006 If you have 180-220 you can go atk.
Check how yours rotation and team in practice work.
@@zipzzo but I think healer ult burst not really that needed to fully heal you, thanks to their skill and even basic/heavy attack able to heal all of your characters enough
I just cleared the ilusive realm and bought 2 , 3 cost 5 star electro damage bonus echoes. My yinlin is completely built now, in next 11 days I'll make sure to get her weapon and I'll have one of the best yinlin in the world.
Can anyone tell me if moonlit is better than havoc set on danjin if i want to main rover havoc cause that set has a crazy atk℅ set bonus plus if theirs imperenoce heron which gives more atk%. Also i think the echo bonus of crownless (anything that says increases dmg for the current chr) doesn't get carried over to the next chr and also the dreamless echo's dmg doesn't increase if you use it on danjin after using rover resonance lib
the 44111 is good when one of the 4 cost is the mech boss and one of the 1 cost are from the Atk% set so that in the early game, the other dps just need to level their main 4 cost echo and the other 1 cost pieces with their elem set
Need advice...
I want jinshi but shell take my sanhua away from my encore..
If I pull changli who does she work with..?
Encore, sanhua, verina
Calcharo, yangyan(cope), baizhi (4 star healer)
I only have few characters to work with... should I pull yinlin for my calcharo??.
My other chara are mortefi, old electro def scaling dude, 4 star red hair havoc, yangyang, baizhi, 4 star red har fusion gunner.. 😂😂😅
Depends on who you want and will enjoy playing with it's all up to your liking to that character whether story, gameplay, or design wise. The 3 characters you mentioned are all powerful and fun to play chalcharo will pair very will with yinlin, sanuha will pair very well with jhinsi, encore will pair very will with Changli so it's all up to your preference and remember if you are f2p you will only have enough to pull for 1 or 2 (if you got lucky ) characters at most from every 4 character banners
I'm doing the rainbow thing and it's been working for me so far clearing hazard towers with ease 24/30. Level 70 F2P all electro and crit rate and crit damage substats.
wondering if you test on set atk atk on 3 cost?
There are currently four(maybe more?) 5-Star Elite selector consumables you can get that solve this problem for electro right away. 2 from Alloy Smelt and 2 from Illusive Realm. Both activites are quite easy with minimal time investment to get said rewards. So you can get up to 4 total, 2 flautists and 2 of the birds, void thunder set set+electro damage 3cost echos with no rng farming needed. Granted you don't have to choose those choices from the selectors but if said echos are a pain in the butt to farm and the selectors give you exactly that, then you can choose not to go fight rng farming early on. Thus that covers the two sets of electro bonus 3costs for Yinlin and Not-Vergil.
i dont think ive seen rainbow argued around, i know 2p electric void and nothing else can atleast get somewhere. another thing to note is the 44111 is suggested to early enough cases that they wouldnt even have max out weapons and chars, so the things like flat attack gets a bit bigger value, well atk% as a much lower value, 44111 has 300 flat atk and 43311 has 350 flat atk, its super small but its there.
the other issue i got with even suggesting 44111 is the fact of how limited our resources already are, getting up 2 1's and a 4 is already be expensive for stamina resources, let alone the fact that people will probably have gotten enough points to gurantee the illusionary realm one by the time they can do a 4th.
one i didnt realize was as good option was as it was is using atk% 3 cost. not sure the rates, but it does feel like it comes up decently well.
the last thing that ive noticed is that even just doing tacet fields a few times actually provides a good chance of seeing those 3 pieces since for at least the fluetist is forced to always be on void thunder set reducing the amount of RNG that is needed by half. sadly the heron is both elec and fusion set, which is the same tacet field.
Unfortunately, I have seen people argue for rainbow. I've also seen the atrocious argument for a 4431 build lmao. Bro didn't read what the 5pc set does! Reminds me of 1.0 Genshin arguments.
I'm actually using 43311 on my main DPS and my yin is 44111 going for 300% crit dmg since she has high crit rate
What about 4341 (using two sets) ?
question: does verina/mortefi/yinlin coordinate atks crit? bc im building them and wondering if i slap on some crit rate or just atk
Of course they do
I have to add that for libration dps characters we need them to have from 130 to 150 en regen minimum really even switching one elemental damage 3 cost to energy is worth. I have tested that and the result was very effective. as this way I notice that the damage and rotation is so stable and constant.
I'm glad i juat used the echo selector to get gold 3 echos for my yinlin 😂
@IWinToLose Gaming call me crazy but I was wondering about 2p2p 4431 you lose a whole echo but it at least has to be better than Raindbow or am I way wrong? Have been curious about is since it should be very easy to farm.
You are losing 2 main stats + 5 sub stats in addition to 2p2p only. Huge dmg loss
im really sure its similiar but in the end 43311 is the best way elemental dmg is huge and you get atk too as second stat but im sure if you have a atk% weapon then its not a big loss with a cd and cr piece both equip but its only possible with special echo elements like havoc because you have crownless and dreamless or else you have to use mix what is lesser maybe
Just asking is it better for COST 3 to be "Elemental(aero, electro, etc) dmg bonus" or "ATK"??
Elemental
Isn't it 1/6 for main stat since flat attack is on every piece?
I still have issues figuring out what sets are preferable on characters...
So far i just went elemental with everyone except Verina et Baizhi but I'm starting to think that i might have missed something with my physical DPS characters.
Should I go for atk% instead of elemental?
There is no physical dps characters, everyone does their element damage at all times unless stated otherwise (which is exactly why 43311 is always better)
How close a 44 set gets to a 433 set highly depends on the sub stat rolls and team comp. There are more damage % buffs out there and when you start stacking them the extra crit becomes more valuable.
I've recorded every single gold echo I've obtained (excluding those from malleable/selector boxes) and I'd like to note: Overlord/Calamity classes have a better than 1 or 2/7 chance to get crit, they actually have a 40-50% chance overall to get either crit main stat. From 65 Calamities I have, 15 are crit rate and 15 crit damage, from 125 overlord; 22 crit rate and 32 crit damage.
Another good addition is that as you farm the elites for the 3 costs you will generate more fodder for data merging which can potentially yield more 3 costs. Only farming bosses will (in my opinion) only delay you getting the 43311 set as you aren’t getting any 3 costs. Personally I have around 40 3 costs on set that I can’t even level. Really hoping the fix coming in 1.1 is good cause the amount of xp you get compared to what you need is the only issue I’ve had with the game
43311 vs 44111 feels like warframes gundition overload vs red crits, where in it depends on what your enemy is, viral slash when WuWa?
Corrosive vs viral be like
So how long till people start clamouring for 33311 with lots of crit substats?
Just a wild thought...
Wouldn't 44111 be good on Healers?
You could get healing while having electro damage for verina, though :)
Damn, must be nice to have access to a lot of 3 cost echoes. I mean, they have so much that they are arguing with each other.
43311 is the BEST setup, I completely agree. BUT THE THING IS, you're not guaranteed to get the right element you want for a specific sonata effect, let alone gacha for substats.
I was blessed to have a 5pc Moonlit Clouds for my Yinlin with 43311 setup but I can't say that to my Calcharo and Hover (Havoc Rover, to anyone who didn't get it) they are staying in 44111 because I get Electro DMG in Molten Rift set or vice versa AND I get Havoc DMG in Freezing Frost set or vice versa.
Sure there are events that give you the right element for the right sonata effect but your substats are still up for GAMBLING.
Also, the game was released 22nd of May, not even 1 month after release and everybody just expect everyone to have a lot of resources to use.
You got your 43311 5pc Void Thunder set with 2 Electro DMG? Bro how many of your homies needed to suffer not getting to kill their elites just for you to get your "build"?
I say 44111 is fine, we're still in the early stages of the game (yes, even if you're already UL45+, I'm at UL44 myself). I can't believe people think they're in endgame already after playing the game for what, 24 days?
If this is the biggest drama rn i think we're at peace
Ive never been lucky enough as a f2p to have a yinlin running 43311 5pc void with 74/270 crit ratio 7days after her released. I only intended to farm the right main stats for her echoes and some yolo substats but i never expect that it turned out to be this good lmao.
I'm using 44111 on my 4* punching guy with the hat, I think it is a decent enough build for him with my left over echos from my Yinlin farm
Idk how they plan to fix the issue but I believe that you should be able to feed Echoes of any level to obtain EXP. Idk why it’s limited to only those that were given EXP to begin with.
is 3333 quad elemental not worth considering? Haven't seen it anywhere but 2 piece atk + element, dunno if it's harder to farm but kinda curious about the numbers
I think that's still viable. Similar to how a 4431 or 44111 works.
Same echos don't proc the echo set effect
@@Y4ngCP The atk set can get you different echoes to get both quad element and 2pc set boost
@@MechaJake32yeah that's usable to until you get a good 43311 set
A question is 4-4-1-1-1 better than 4-3-3-1-1 if I have 60-200 crit on 4-4 set and 25-200 crit on 5-3-3 set ?
Other character is dependant to elemental damages, numbers in crit rate and crit damages in your character stats may look like wow but you’re behind interms of elemental damages, inshort you’re basically look like attacking a boss by physical eventhp you use skill or liberation in your run but 44111 build is not bad, it’s just depends to a character.
I mean ofc, hitting crit 1/2 hit with 44111 doing what ? 1-2k. Dmg? While. Hitting crit 1/4 hit with 2k+ dmg with 🎉 43311 because of the element bonus. My yinlin is level 60 using 43311 and have 52/221 crit and she hitting much harder than my friend's yinlin that level 70 with similar crit
Well his crit is much higher actually like 70/230 but my dmg is still higher
The Moonlight echo's has helped me alot as filler set pieces
i wonder if there will be 8 cost echo in the future then there is 81111 combination lol
please make a video compare voidthunder 43311 vs lingering 43311 on yinlin or calcharo
Wait isn’t moonlit clouds also capable of 44111? Not that it’s recommended, just that you said only Electro and Havoc can consider it, but Geochelone and Heron both fulfill Moonlit.
We're obviously gonna get more sets eventually, and given how scarce crit is I'm anticipating a crit rate 2 piece set, so we're not forced to use 5piece sets
It's a no brainer to me due to how much Tacet EXP we get.
Farming Echoes in the overworld just leaves me with a bunch of desirable main stats I'll never get to level up, because by the time I get enough EXP for it from running TD fields, I've already gotten one or two desirable main stats from those runs. So I'm just trying to guess which one could have the correct sub stats, but if I'm only farming TD fields it mostly evens out.
Umm what is 15 sub mean?, effective sub as in crit, atk%, dmg bonus ?
I literally have 1 substat on my all echoes
43311
Yinlin as example
CD/ELECTRO/ELECTRO/ATK/ATK
Then all have crit rate first roll then I stopped lmao, very cheap and gets the job done then I build another character like that, then go back building them fully when resources are abundant
this is really your field, "numbersss".
Wait what about atk%-atk% for 3/3 instead of electro-electro? Also 1 cost can have atk% as main stat right? Im not smoking?
Right now the best full set is 43311. You can however achieve crit stats easily without much rerolling with 44111. The suboptimal ones are 4431 and 3333 but the brighter side is that you can have two seperate set bonuses with this build.
What about 4431 with 2 electro + 2atk?? PLEASE ADDRESS THIS POSSIBILITIES 🙏🙏
It wouldn't maximize the electro damage, since you need five echo for maximum electro damage
@@adzkiytra1768 yeah but it using 2 electro + 2 atk set
Are you gonna make full Clorinde review?
3star tacet only spawn once a day? didnt know that 2:22 wow
damn, am I the only person with an issue with getting echos with energy regen and rejuvenating glow set?
i immediately noticed the malleable echo items with guaranteed element main stat/set bonus matching and all my main dps are covered, with more to spare, which is really nice when i want to go min/max
I have been farming rejuv with no luck. my verina needs one more. hell, at this point, id take another epic/4 star for my second 3 cost to get 200% er.
I feel like a "Malleable/Morphable Elite Echo III" that guarantees a lingering tunes, moolit or rejuvenating glow set and energy regen main stat would be amazing.
I'm wondering how does 44111 work with support characters like healers? Is it better to have healing bonus twice or just once?
ER is most likely better, which is only on 3-cost echoes.
@@lewsee5562yeah this
I might do a 44111 build for havoc rover since i need to farm for Daijin anyway
Same
Both of them want Dreamless though and you can't use two Dreamless. I'd argue the same thing for the electro bosses. Memphis is better than Tempest.
@@SM-tf3li it's just a placeholder set, you can always fodder crownless later, or transition rover to a 43311 and leave daijin as a 44111 for a while. As far as electro goes a lot of people don't like using either as their echo skill, it's personal preference at that point.