@@nidodson It's not the game developers fault it's the distributor. They forced them to release a broken mess to early access to not let the hype die rather than give them more time to finish the game. I'm almost certain they never would have released it as is on it's own. That said though the game was probably never gonna be finished because the studio overpromised and underdelivered, it's cost just exceeded the potential gain, which is the studios fault.
@@kristiansvendsen6906The main reason ksp2 has such a bad optimization is because nearly all of its code was imported and recycled from ksp1, no amount of extra time will fix a 11 year old obsolete codebase.
@@kristiansvendsen6906 it is DEFINATELY the developers' fault, they're the ones who overpromised and waaay underdelivered with this pile of Natecrap. I have 0 love for T2, but they did what a publisher is supposed to, funded the project, promoted it and in the end they did the only thing they logicly could: kill it because the cost overran the potential revenue. But underdelivering with this pile of shit after ~7 years of development is every bit on an incompetent dev team, with one specific person especially.
Half of the mods I have installed on KSP1 have your name on them, so thank you sir for making this franchise what it is today. If you ask me, you should be the one to manage the IP instead of T2, but that's just, like, my opinion...
@@Atlessa Thank you for those kind words. As I've said many times, I'm not a game developer, just a modder. Developing and managing a game is very different that writing a mod. While I'd love to be a part of that effort, I don't think I'm the right person to lead it.
@@linuxgurugamer I mean, it's wishful thinking anyway... My point is you would do the Kerbals justice, unlike certain other companies. Heck, if anything the rights should go back to HarvesteR, no?
At this point, KSP2 is headed to either Development Hell, or being scrapped and the current iteration being turned into a "Legacy" title that a new game strips assets from when/if the IP is acquired by another studio/company. The memes are all we have.
@@Vaprous ive been praying that SOMETHING comes out of this tragedy eventually... people saying that the game is already dead and 6 feet under seems too much like jumping to conclusions while we still dont have much information about what they plan to be able to do in the future.
@@grummanschumann6475 Well, jumping to conclusions that lithobraking didn't come in 2020 and that 4 years later the studio closed down and the 15 months of early access didn't even transform the program into a minimum viable product says it all. They truly killed KSP franchise in even worse way that they killed planetary annihilation, with a bang!
I appreciate your dedication to the ion engines for escaping Kerbin. Even Andy Weir said that in The Martian, Hermes would have used a chemical rocket to escape Earth and Mars. (I emailed him about it because I had worked out that it would have taken Hermes nearly a month to break orbit, leaving lots of time for Watney to contact them... because I was already a huge KSP nerd.)
@@otavainen222 well I would assume that Hermes is only designed to carry enough fuel for two burns - escaping Earth, and escaping Mars, since they use aerobraking to slow down for arrival - but of course both of those would already be spent for Ares 3. So to do more burns, the Taiyang Shen resupply would have had to carry up all that fuel, but it probably didn't have enough mass capacity for that.
I always found it strage that the hermes took off like that. Wouldn't there have to be a wait for a transit window or at least do some more science from orbit since you made it all the way to mars. At least have a look at the destroyed base to see how a storm like that would effect future missions. Important stuff. Anyway, spacepirate!
It could have been a Earth-Mars cycler ship which doesn't enter Earth or Mars orbit but encounters Earth and Mars regularly en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_cycler
The time I went for extremely high Delta V in KSP2, I went for a hybrid propulsion system, with a massive amount of hydrogen feeding a nuclear thermal rocket, tapping the massive electrical power to power ion engines. I could stage empty tanks, and even all of the ion engines. And then I placed some kind of structure on the front as a Bussard ramjet. Never could get off the ground. Lol.
@@hagangray8006 Go to any popular KSP2 video. You will find tons of comments from profiles that look the exact same saying things that have nothing to do with the video. It's a farm of bots trying to generate interest in a failed game.
@@hagangray8006 Go to literally any other KSP2 video. You'll see comments exactly like this. Similar username, has nothing to do with the video. It's a farm meant to generate interest in a dying game.
I'll never forget my first time getting Jeb out of the system in KSP 1 years and years ago. By total accident the hideous pile of Saturn V copy/pastes he was riding hit gravity assists off: Mun, Duna and Jul, and by the time the ion engines on his little ship ran out he was going like 0.4c and was an absurd distance away. Had to start a new file cause he was just *not* coming back.
We should all collectively email asking how they plan to deliver on their promises and if they don't plan to, how we get our refunds, and if it's really worth laying off the team if everyone is going to demand refunds. And that we *will* demand refunds.
We will never get KSP 2. It's dead. Momentum alone plants it firmly in the grave at this point. Galaxy brain sized self-inflicted wound by Take Two. Sounds like every time they had a chance to make an important decision, they made the exact wrong one. Such a shame.
It really isn't good enough. I've said it before, and I'll repeat it again, but if any of us pulled a stunt like Take Two has pulled, selling a product for full price on the promise of what was to come, and then not deliver, we'd be charged with fraud. It's a shame that because they have a big bank account, Take Two can just walk off without facing the consequences. I know people will say this has cost them money too, and how they've lost millions in KSP2, but who's fault is that, the people who were conned into parting with their hard earned money?? It's a pity everyone who's been caught out by this scam - and yes it is a scam - don't get together to see if they could initiate a class action against T2, to get their money back. Not only might they actually succeed, but it would help stop a similar rip off from happening again.
That's how the AAA industry works. Early Access in itself is a scam, and anyone going into it really risks a lot. Though then there is Cities Skylines 2 as well.... and that one is a early access game being sold as a full game.
@@nanohatakamachi1066 Yeah, let’s hope, because the idea of KSP 2 the colonies the stars, the multiplayer is awesome. But it’s pretty tough to do with T2 not knowing what the heck they are doing.
It is a scandal that Steam/Valve are still selling KSP 2 as an early access game, when the developers and publisher are no longer listening to or communicated with players, and advertising a roadmap that cannot and will not be delivered. Mistakes were made in the past seven years, and we can argue about intentions during this time until the cows come home. But the way the game is advertised and sold today is blatantly dishonest gaslighting. There is no excusing this.
@@ABlack-wp6yq It is not a good sign if your arguments depend demeaning ad hominem such as "Engage your brain for a moment." However you wish to apportion blame, Valve are indeed the middle men so they are involved in some way. They are currently handling sales on behalf of the publisher, taking a cut in the process, on a product that comes with false advertising that is published on their platform. They are informed of the false advertising through the in-store reporting tool, so cannot claim ignorance. I accept that in many jurisdictions (though not necessarily all), online marketplaces have no *legal* responsibility on how they are used. But I was not making a legal argument. At the very least, allowing this to continue brings the platform into disrepute. You're welcome to disagree with the above. But it is perfectly reasonable opinion that Valve can and should to maintain higher standards in situations where the publisher fails to do so. It would be the right thing to do as the standards on a platform are determined by the worst behaviour that is permitted.
@@JK-pe6ft Legally for people who buy the game now any judge will probably summon Valve to fully refund those who want it and claim they were not aware. Valve will probably accept that. Still leaving the Steam page up like this seems not a great idea if you care about customer confidence in your studio or platform.
I adapted some Linkin Park lyrics for the situation at hand: Crawling in my game These bugs, they will not be fixed Layoffs is how I fall Confusing what is Kerbal
I think they made the grave miscalculation that everyone who owned KSP 1 would buy KSP 2 even in its broken pre-alpha release state. I personally waited for multiplayer as I had simply had too many bad experience with buying a early access game based on promises alone.
The mistake also was ambition, multi-player is a nightmare for a game like KSP, the minute a game that shouldn't have it, promotes it in a sequel, it's an instant, "they are doomed."
@@Aedeus Not really, it all sort of depends on the scope of what multiplayer is, multiplayer could be a "fly a mission with your friends" sort of deal with a defined "mission commander" in control of time warp etc. It could have been two airstrips and versus mode, or a single ait strip and some gates as a race mode where you build versus eachother on a budget and score points by winning races... I just wanted to dick around in planes and rockets we make ourselves, maybe take a trip to Duna together and one goes on gathering science while the other builds the base, that kind of stuff. Technically multiplayer IS possible, and exists in some capacity as a mod in the original KSP.
@ET_AYY_LMAO have you played that mod? I have, it is a mess, but it really illustrates the challenges, especially with timewarp. But kore importantly, it's a look into if the team is being pressured by marketing, everyone screams for multi-player, but in reality they would much rather have a fully rounded experience and solid core mechanics.
This video points out why I was so eager to see how they developed interstellar. Think of all the factors you have to take into account. Assuming you have mitigated the extended time factors through stasis for the passengers or by large hydroponics, etc., you still have to decide on a nearby target star, and then accelerate with half your fuel, saving half to decelerate, as you approach. And since you (hopefully) know how fast you will go and thus know the travel time, you must then aim at not where the star is, but where it is going to be in say 20, 40 or however many years it will take to arrive. And nothing can go wrong with deceleration or you will over shoot right past the star and spend forever floating between the stars. And the accuracy of your calculations must be perfect. The distance compared to the respective gravity wells is on the order of firing a bow from a skyscraper in New York and hitting a specific pixel on a high def laptop in Paris. It would be a true accomplishment. Someday we may be able to see it actually simulated in a game other than with a loading screen.
10:00 There is a misunderstanding of what the ISM (Interstellar Medium) is. It's less so atmosphere like, and more so tiny little chunks of ice and gas, which will basically slowly incinerate your sublightspeed vessel, should you even reach about 5% of the speed of light. I guess aerodynamics might help a tiny bit, but the speeds are so high, you can't really reflect the ISM. Kind of the same as with gamma rays, despite being light, you can't reflect them, only absorb them. It's basically the issue of debris around Earth on steroids. Though a interstellar vessel would probably have some thicker walls, considering radiation concerns as well. But the front of such vessel would have to be extremely thick, and it would still not be enough. Mind you, the heliosphere extends as far as to the heliopause, where the Solar Wind basically stops but still pushes away the ISM. You probably do not want to go in the wrong direction (the direction of travel of the Solar system within the galaxy). Though dealing with radiation is actually a huge problem regardless. 7:12 With proper gravitational assists, and a proper engine, relativistic speeds would probably still not be achievable.
Shadowzone, thanks for the KSP2 coverage! I will always tune in to see what you're up to, and you did an amazing job on the KSP2 development documentary!
Oh my god... I had a vehicle that was like 2t and it took 25 orbits to escape Kerbin and get on a Duna Trajectory.. and I was lucky that my last burn took me past The Mun - passing it only 5km of the surface gave a nice gravity assist... like you I found that Ion engines bug out when you use them while under time warp - though to me it started happening even at 2x speed after, as far as I remember, doing 12 orbits with time warp.. and after that My burns did not push the apoapsis unless i was in time warp 0... So I did all my burns in real time ^^' My capture Burn at Duna was 1h 30min long.. and every sec was 4 sec.. so I went to the playground with my kids, bought ice cream and came back with a perfect PE at 55km B) Any way.. Nice to see you go through this.. Because I think my small ion driven craft will be my last xD
Fun fact: back in 0.1.2, you could use a ship exactly like this to reach ridiculous speeds by just timewarping with the ion engines running. Its a comination of a bug (the one you saw happen in this video) and some quircks of how the game does accelerate under timewarp. at high timewarp settings, the EC available on the vessel drops in ‘blocks’ even if you’re providing sufficient EC to run the engines. Now comes the fun part: ion engines run on a resource the game calls ‘xenonEC’ rather than ‘Xenon’ and ‘EC’ seperately. Once a vessel enters accelerate under timewarp, the game keeps the thrust constant (which is why you cant change it or shut off an engine while timewarping) and runs a check on the fuel to determine when it will run out in order to automatically lower timewarp in time. For the Ion engine, it does this check on the ‘XenonEC’ resource, but it really only looks at the Xenon levels. The engine itself however has a check that will turn it off if the vessel ruls out of EC. So, lets combine what we know: ion engines shut down when the vessel is out of EC, thrust remains constant when in timewarp until the game thinks you’re about to run out of fuel, and a high timewarp setting will cause ‘chunks’ of your EC budget to dissapear even if the vessel should be receiving enough from generators/solar panels. Now let us take a look at what actually happens when you go to maximum timewarp with ion engines running. The EC bug causes your EC to almost immediately drop to zero right off the bat. The engines see this and shut down, which stops them from consuming any Xenon fuel. *but.* Since the game *does not check* EC to determine when you will run out of fuel, *the vessel stays in timewarp and keeps accelerating despite not consuming any fuel* . It’ll continue to do this until the point at which it calculated the vessel would run out of Xenon, despite no further Xenon being consumed. What this essentially boils down to is *the entire DV in the tanks being added to your velocity, without consuming a drop of Xenon* . A kraken drive is born! If you repeat this over and over again it wont take long until you start approaching relativistic speeds. I personally used it to accelerate a tiny probe to 3% the speed of light and leave Kerbols SOI (yes; Kerbol has a SOI in KSP2, but its so massive you wont ever leave it through conventional means. You can see it in map view if you zoom out enough). Im pretty sure some version of this kraken drive is still in the game: feel free to give it a try! Thanks for coming to my ted talk! ;)
Fascinating! What is the purpose of looking at "xenonEC" for burn under timewarp? Does the game also conflate CH4 and O2 to "methalox" in this situation? Or is this because xenon and EC aren't pulled from the same part (or rather part module?) but from two separate ones and the burn under timewarp feature can't handle that?
@@ShadowZone from what i understand, XenonEC is an example of what the game calls a 'recipe'. most engines just consume resource types individually (methane&oxygen, methane&air, hydrogen,...), but recipes seemingly "compound" a regular resource (Xenon in this case) with another requirement (EC). i'm not sure why the game handles these situations differently than regular engine resource requirements, but i'm pretty sure its what causes a vessel running out of EC not being recognized as a valid reason to kick the player out of accelerate under timewarp
Ion thrusters with the new maneuver system would have been so cool if you could rotate your spacecraft and continuously thrust prograde even as you move around in your orbit. Electric propulsion spacecraft in real life can leave LEO by spiraling outwards over many months or years. I would have loved to see this in KSP2, especially for the long burns required for interstellar travel.
9:51 I think interstellar dust, at relativistic speeds could be very destructive. Like nuclear bomb powerful. So you may need something like a very thick shield or active laser system of some kind rather than just an aerodynamic shape. I think Isaac Arthur has probably made a video on the subject. Anyway. Either of these solutions would have probably been infeasible in PHM and I don't think we know how much dust there is in interstellar space. So maybe we can assume it's basically empty.
Definitely feel the frustration coming out on this one. I feel for you. I hope you keep making videos. Ever do any flight sims. I could watch you do some flying if that’s something your into.
make a ksp1 version of this ship and have it coming from infinity and end with them landing. probably only reaching orbit and having another ship come and take them to land
Honestly the ship remined me a lot of the Hail Mary. If only there was astrophage so you wouldn't have to suffer with ion engines. RIP KSP2, what a shame.
6:55 1/6 c kann man mit Bordmitteln erreichen, dabei die Kerbol-SOI verlassen (9:41:40) und auch über das nächste Sternensystem stolpern (9:46:00). Wohlgemerkt bereits in der allerersten Version. th-cam.com/video/YFVPHTLPjtc/w-d-xo.html
yeah, for me the whole point of KSP2 was the idea of going interstellar and making colonies. the current state of things kind of killed my desire to do anything involving Kerbals. I kept hoping KSP2 would advance enough to bring back my interest in the Kerbal Universe, but now it's seeming like that's only something in the past and I'll never have a reason to come back.
In a lot of ways, they managed to kill both games. Many people stopped playing KSP1 because KSP2 was coming out... KSP1 would have faded away eventually, but the lure of 2 hastened it.
@@kimchristensen2175and frankly I can’t even be bothered to play KSP1 anymore, since trying to mod it just makes it a nightmare from both a technical and gameplay perspective
@@alexsiemers7898 True. I haven't played it for a long time either. But I did play for many years ,which was much longer than most games, so it was excellent value. I was hoping KSP2 would become the same sort of game. Glad I didn't buy it now.
Not so much with aerodynamics... See, the interstellar medium is so sparse that the idea of pressure waves kind of falls apart. There's no meaningful drag even on very fast-moving objects. Instead, each individual particle acts like hard radiation, a cosmic ray with energy appropriate to the relative speed of the ship. This will gradually break down and irradiate the skin of the ship. The faster you go, the more energy the particles have, and the more destructive they are. So while your ship looks good with its pointy nose, a real interstellar ship will probably more look like it's carrying a great big shield in front of itself. One of the best strategies for that is to use the ship's water storage as its outer shielding. Water is very good at slowing and stopping radiation. That's why we use it to shield spent fuel as it cools, in nuclear power plants, and why it's a good moderator for the reactor core itself. And since we'll need to carry a _lot_ of it, to keep humans alive on journeys of that length, a thick layer of ice or water (in tanks) with metal shielding, possibly with the outer layer of water gelatinized to reduce leaks, in most likely a great big disk out in front of the ship, with a long, narrow vessel design to minimize the diameter of the shield required within the other engineering parameters, is the most likely look for a realistic interstellar vessel. There'd be basically zero concern for streamlining, just a flat hammer-faced shield is fine. You'd have to worry about the expansion rate of the universe long before deceleration due to drag. ;)
I didn't realise better burn indication would make it hard to plan multi-burns. I just did my first multi-burn transfer the other day. After years of feeling uncomfortable trying it in KSP, I did it almost without thinking in JNO. I'm don't know what made the difference, but JNO's maneuver tool is better than KSP's. It automatically adapts to the scale of transfer you're working at, and it has better text entry. I love the point about drag from the interstellar medium. I've been wondering about it myself, but I also want excuses for sleek spaceships. :D Into the unknown...
There is a Kerbol SOI you (probably) can escape. I would like to see someone do that ( I have tried and it takes days to get even 1% of the distance there).
No there isn't. Since no other stars were implemented, Kerbol's SOI stretches to infinity. Cheat yourself to lightspeed and let it coast for a day @10000x timewarp, you will still be in Kerbol's SOI.
@@Robcraft1981 Maybe that’s the case. I have zoomed out in the map view and seen a sphere around kerbol but maybe that’s just some unintentional graphical thingy
It's broken at it's core, the devs made sure of that, no amount of modding will ever fix it. KSP has more/better features and looks and preforms 10x better than this crap with a few mods sprinkeled in.
Oh boy do i have a story for you...😅 (Literally this entire channel, and scott manley and matt lowne's channels are full of ksp tutorials) heh...back in the old days pretty much all of us leaned to play watching Scotts tutorials, so perhaps you might start there for the OG experience, or you can also try some of the newer videos as well, there's plenty of stuff on youtube! Anyway enjoy the original ksp experience for the first time, it may be hard at first, but its very rewarding once you figure it out!
It’s hard to think that there was an alternate reality or timeline where Take Two delayed the game and it came out as an improved KSP 1 or even what they promised to provide.
I'm not a player… but wouldn't it make more sense to accelerate first and then release the boosters? Surely you can add that "little" fuel for that part, and avoid the pain of thousands of orbits!
When the devs made a huge video production about their attempt to record audio of real rockets launching and didn't show any game play featuring the new features promised in KSP2 I got really pessimistic
1. Would you consider doing content with modded KSP 1 to make it similar to the KSP 2's unfulfilled promises? Maybe that could incentivize modders to resume work on KSP 1 2. If you stay on KSP 2 only, I hope they at least release the planets from the other system before leaving, maybe modders could fill the gap someday...
They should just cut their losses and give Harvester back his creation. Only reason he sold the IP was to have the funding to finish KSP. Kerbals are his childhood creation, he deserves to have them back, although that isn't how life works, and I doubt they will give the IP away for cheap.
I feel like we‘ve lied to ourselves since KSP2s Early Access… always hoping it‘ll get better but in the end it was all too obvious that it never would’ve been completed…
I had a lot of faith in these people, this time around. I figured that they would have to start over seeing that the first KSP was nothing but a dirty bed in a garbage truck, on fire. I expected more, but not a highway for a road map. If Take Two is the government and the studio, are the workers. Everybody's showing up for a paycheck but there are no paychecks in house. Hopefully the modders and somebody buys this game and does something with it. But very unlikely. Because the government i.e.(Take Two) doesn't like anybody else by building roads on their land.😢😢😢
Early access is meant to mean you can play an unfinished version and help to change the game with feedback for the better, not to just grab money and run.
To anyone itching to play a space exploration game that isn't TOO realistic but "feels" right* - go play Outer Wilds. Don't look it up, don't check a youtuber's playthrough: install it, play it, be amazed. The more you know about the game beforehand, the less you will enjoy it. Thank me later. Oh and for the love of all that is good in the world, DO NOT turn the music off. I know some people do that, and I see their point, but Outer Wilds uses music in a VERY different way from most games so keep it on! *in terms of "realistic" physics at a compressed scale - the entire solar system is only I think 50km across, but within that there's an incredibly rich world full of lore and lovable characters.
I don't care what anyone say, the 'improved graphics' for this game justify nothing. It was its biggest selling point for the past few years, and all it ever did was make everything look more plastic
No, it would be like when Netscape open-sourced Navigator. The community would spend two years trying to figure out how to turn shit into gold before realizing they are better off starting from scratch to create Firefox. Anyone interested it taking this up should start creating Gerbal Space Project.
At first, I didn't bought KSP2 despite being a huge fan of the first game because I am broke. Now, the more I look at the state of the game the less I feel like buying it. I think I'll stay with KSP1 for the time being. Whom say, maybe I'll take a look at it again when optimization become a prioritized concern to the development team.
So we’re all just rolling over? Not gonna fight for what we want? Not gonna make them feel our pain until they capitulate and give us what we want? Not gonna actually tell them how disgusted we are so there’s no chance that they think it’s just the game we’re upset with?
Our only hope would be for them to release the source code (or even leak it, since making the game free sw is not in their corporate bullshit interest)
🤘🧑🚀👍👍👍👍👍 Regardless what about KSP2, I'll enjoy to keep watching whether you have the mood for some KSP1 or any other space / space games related content.
I've no idea how this went from so promising to WTF so quickly. KSP2 could have so easily been a route to space Minecraft but it's funny...and educational. But someone got stupid somewhere. I paid for the Early Access. Let's hope someone buys it up and starts putting people onto it again because it seriously could be huge. Not that KSP wasn't huge, but that is frankly the Morrowind this this potential Skyrim. And that stayed huge the same reason people still play KSP: extreme modding potential.
Ksp2 in this form is a lost cause, but it is still my hope thay a few years from now a passionate studio picks up the IP and learns from the mistakes of ksp2
RIP KSP 2, Godspeed... DAMN I had such high hopes for this game. It could've been nothing short of amazing. We never even got to see the new star systems, multiplayer, nada... SOOOOO pissed off I payed $50 bucks for a game that just got shut down that had so much potential... Last few updates had me so hyped, but damn... Just DAMN! Hoping someone picks this back up and finishes it, but FUCK Nick, and FUCK the bosses whom made this decision... This could've gone very differently if they had just done it right at the start, info via Shadowz earlier video on what went wrong. Love the channel, wish this had been different. Great concept here. Might have to make one myself... Farewell KSP2, hope we see you again in another form.
You forgot to FUCK the dev's who talked so big on promises and failed to deliver. Kraken slayed? Yeah, fuck right off. People need to stop giving the team a free pass in this.
Why would there be? Yall were told it was "early access" and steam say right where you click to bug that you know you aren't buying a completed product, and acknowledge that it may remain in it's current state or may change. I saw this from the beginning and never bought it
I tried to get one but steam completely just ignored my request even though I tried to explain that the game didn’t turn out to be what it promised so I doubt other people are having much better luck (people who payed for ksp2 got ripped off)
KSP Players: “Hey guys, one major issue with KSP 1 is the poor optimization” IG: “Ok, well anyway here’s this $50 dumpster fire that requires a NASA supercomputer to get 10 frames per year
Correction: "Ok, well anyway here's this $50 'Early Access' for a title we promised was almost finished three years ago. Just remember, if you buy it, no guarantees it will ever be finished so don't bitch and moan if we pull the plug once we have extracted as much money as we can! And remember to shout down anyone who claims it's a cash grab! It is totally not! We swear! Those people are just jealous."
Look at that gorgeous 12 fps in space, they really nailed the optimisation work, didn't they?
Yes, I was astonished from right in the beginning when the fps appeared so smooth despite having so much bugs.
Did they accomplish anything with this game? Seems like they did an incomplete knockoff.
@@nidodson It's not the game developers fault it's the distributor. They forced them to release a broken mess to early access to not let the hype die rather than give them more time to finish the game. I'm almost certain they never would have released it as is on it's own. That said though the game was probably never gonna be finished because the studio overpromised and underdelivered, it's cost just exceeded the potential gain, which is the studios fault.
@@kristiansvendsen6906The main reason ksp2 has such a bad optimization is because nearly all of its code was imported and recycled from ksp1, no amount of extra time will fix a 11 year old obsolete codebase.
@@kristiansvendsen6906 it is DEFINATELY the developers' fault, they're the ones who overpromised and waaay underdelivered with this pile of Natecrap.
I have 0 love for T2, but they did what a publisher is supposed to, funded the project, promoted it and in the end they did the only thing they logicly could: kill it because the cost overran the potential revenue.
But underdelivering with this pile of shit after ~7 years of development is every bit on an incompetent dev team, with one specific person especially.
Fair skies and strong winds
Sir you are a legend. Thank you for what you are doing for the entire ksp community! 🫡
Half of the mods I have installed on KSP1 have your name on them, so thank you sir for making this franchise what it is today.
If you ask me, you should be the one to manage the IP instead of T2, but that's just, like, my opinion...
@@Atlessa Thank you for those kind words. As I've said many times, I'm not a game developer, just a modder. Developing and managing a game is very different that writing a mod. While I'd love to be a part of that effort, I don't think I'm the right person to lead it.
@@linuxgurugamer I mean, it's wishful thinking anyway...
My point is you would do the Kerbals justice, unlike certain other companies.
Heck, if anything the rights should go back to HarvesteR, no?
LGG, the legend is among us =)
I can't believe how quick playing KSP2 turned into just memery
At this point, KSP2 is headed to either Development Hell, or being scrapped and the current iteration being turned into a "Legacy" title that a new game strips assets from when/if the IP is acquired by another studio/company. The memes are all we have.
@@Vaprous ive been praying that SOMETHING comes out of this tragedy eventually... people saying that the game is already dead and 6 feet under seems too much like jumping to conclusions while we still dont have much information about what they plan to be able to do in the future.
@@grummanschumann6475 Well, jumping to conclusions that lithobraking didn't come in 2020 and that 4 years later the studio closed down and the 15 months of early access didn't even transform the program into a minimum viable product says it all. They truly killed KSP franchise in even worse way that they killed planetary annihilation, with a bang!
@@grummanschumann6475 We had to wait 3 years past the original launch date for *early* access. No jumping to conclusions here.
@qarnos jesus there is just zero compassion left in you people
I appreciate your dedication to the ion engines for escaping Kerbin. Even Andy Weir said that in The Martian, Hermes would have used a chemical rocket to escape Earth and Mars. (I emailed him about it because I had worked out that it would have taken Hermes nearly a month to break orbit, leaving lots of time for Watney to contact them... because I was already a huge KSP nerd.)
Wouldn't that make the ending scene not work since they could just use the chemical engines instead of blowing the airlock
@@otavainen222 well I would assume that Hermes is only designed to carry enough fuel for two burns - escaping Earth, and escaping Mars, since they use aerobraking to slow down for arrival - but of course both of those would already be spent for Ares 3. So to do more burns, the Taiyang Shen resupply would have had to carry up all that fuel, but it probably didn't have enough mass capacity for that.
@@followthislogic right, thanks :)
I always found it strage that the hermes took off like that. Wouldn't there have to be a wait for a transit window or at least do some more science from orbit since you made it all the way to mars. At least have a look at the destroyed base to see how a storm like that would effect future missions. Important stuff. Anyway, spacepirate!
It could have been a Earth-Mars cycler ship which doesn't enter Earth or Mars orbit but encounters Earth and Mars regularly en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_cycler
Memories of Scott Manley's ten years old Interstellar Quest
I remember it well. That series was a big inspiration for my Ozymandias journey.
Yes!
Holy cow, that was ten years ago??
11:27 salt
I like it
It's about time some of the big KSP youtubers threw some shade at these incompetent devs.
@@qarnos you're got damn right
The time I went for extremely high Delta V in KSP2, I went for a hybrid propulsion system, with a massive amount of hydrogen feeding a nuclear thermal rocket, tapping the massive electrical power to power ion engines. I could stage empty tanks, and even all of the ion engines. And then I placed some kind of structure on the front as a Bussard ramjet.
Never could get off the ground. Lol.
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@@autumnwinter3639 uh... I don't think so?
@@hagangray8006 Go to any popular KSP2 video. You will find tons of comments from profiles that look the exact same saying things that have nothing to do with the video. It's a farm of bots trying to generate interest in a failed game.
@@hagangray8006 Go to literally any other KSP2 video. You'll see comments exactly like this. Similar username, has nothing to do with the video. It's a farm meant to generate interest in a dying game.
@@autumnwinter3639 wow that's pretty low...
Abandon ship?
Nopez abandon entire solar system
I'll never forget my first time getting Jeb out of the system in KSP 1 years and years ago. By total accident the hideous pile of Saturn V copy/pastes he was riding hit gravity assists off: Mun, Duna and Jul, and by the time the ion engines on his little ship ran out he was going like 0.4c and was an absurd distance away. Had to start a new file cause he was just *not* coming back.
Ah, you burned you Ion Thrusters in the Shadowzone of Kerbin. That may have been a mistake 🤭
We should all collectively email asking how they plan to deliver on their promises and if they don't plan to, how we get our refunds, and if it's really worth laying off the team if everyone is going to demand refunds.
And that we *will* demand refunds.
You wont get them. Thats early access for you!
@@yeetandskeetI love to see that used now, after they said it in defence to us when we called this from the beginning
We will never get KSP 2. It's dead. Momentum alone plants it firmly in the grave at this point. Galaxy brain sized self-inflicted wound by Take Two. Sounds like every time they had a chance to make an important decision, they made the exact wrong one. Such a shame.
@@yeetandskeet Early access implies it's coming eventually, not that it isn't coming.
We need to send off Take Two like this, with ShadowZone madness and 16-crew cabin spam
Definitely no AGAINs on that mission
Nah, this is mostly on the dev-team themselves.
I volunteer Nate to be driving the next Jool Deep Atmosphere Exploder.
Shadowzone I love your work. Thank you for all of your KSP2 coverage.
It really isn't good enough. I've said it before, and I'll repeat it again, but if any of us pulled a stunt like Take Two has pulled, selling a product for full price on the promise of what was to come, and then not deliver, we'd be charged with fraud. It's a shame that because they have a big bank account, Take Two can just walk off without facing the consequences.
I know people will say this has cost them money too, and how they've lost millions in KSP2, but who's fault is that, the people who were conned into parting with their hard earned money??
It's a pity everyone who's been caught out by this scam - and yes it is a scam - don't get together to see if they could initiate a class action against T2, to get their money back. Not only might they actually succeed, but it would help stop a similar rip off from happening again.
That's how the AAA industry works.
Early Access in itself is a scam, and anyone going into it really risks a lot.
Though then there is Cities Skylines 2 as well.... and that one is a early access game being sold as a full game.
Still hoping it wil switch to another studio. 😅
Rumor had it T2 is looking for a buyer for the IP.
@@ShadowZoneI really hope the rumours are true and I am looking forward to more of your videos. 🎉
@@Quasar2007 Same boat, mate, same boat. Let's pull all the rest hope together and pray it's enough for a wonder.😭
@@nanohatakamachi1066 Yeah, let’s hope, because the idea of KSP 2 the colonies the stars, the multiplayer is awesome.
But it’s pretty tough to do with T2 not knowing what the heck they are doing.
Don't know if any studio could salvage this shitshow at this point...
Godspeed and may your travel lead you to a competent studio 🖖
It is a scandal that Steam/Valve are still selling KSP 2 as an early access game, when the developers and publisher are no longer listening to or communicated with players, and advertising a roadmap that cannot and will not be delivered. Mistakes were made in the past seven years, and we can argue about intentions during this time until the cows come home. But the way the game is advertised and sold today is blatantly dishonest gaslighting. There is no excusing this.
Publisher, not Steam/Valve; they're merely the middle man. It remains to be seen what Take Two will do with it. Engage your brain for a moment.
@@ABlack-wp6yq It is not a good sign if your arguments depend demeaning ad hominem such as "Engage your brain for a moment."
However you wish to apportion blame, Valve are indeed the middle men so they are involved in some way. They are currently handling sales on behalf of the publisher, taking a cut in the process, on a product that comes with false advertising that is published on their platform. They are informed of the false advertising through the in-store reporting tool, so cannot claim ignorance. I accept that in many jurisdictions (though not necessarily all), online marketplaces have no *legal* responsibility on how they are used. But I was not making a legal argument. At the very least, allowing this to continue brings the platform into disrepute.
You're welcome to disagree with the above. But it is perfectly reasonable opinion that Valve can and should to maintain higher standards in situations where the publisher fails to do so. It would be the right thing to do as the standards on a platform are determined by the worst behaviour that is permitted.
@@JK-pe6ft Legally for people who buy the game now any judge will probably summon Valve to fully refund those who want it and claim they were not aware. Valve will probably accept that. Still leaving the Steam page up like this seems not a great idea if you care about customer confidence in your studio or platform.
@@richardbloemenkamp8532 Exactly. Or leave the page up, but remove make the publisher remove the content that is no longer valid.
If you want to stick it to take-two boycott gta6
wouldnt the closest star in the ksp universe be 0.4 light years away?
Would be a sensible assumption, yes. With the velocity gained after that long burn, it would still take 2800 years to get there.
I adapted some Linkin Park lyrics for the situation at hand:
Crawling in my game
These bugs, they will not be fixed
Layoffs is how I fall
Confusing what is Kerbal
I think they made the grave miscalculation that everyone who owned KSP 1 would buy KSP 2 even in its broken pre-alpha release state. I personally waited for multiplayer as I had simply had too many bad experience with buying a early access game based on promises alone.
The mistake was to think that Take Two would give the time and money until KSP2 would be far enough to be the logical upgrade from ksp
The mistake also was ambition, multi-player is a nightmare for a game like KSP, the minute a game that shouldn't have it, promotes it in a sequel, it's an instant, "they are doomed."
@@Aedeus Not really, it all sort of depends on the scope of what multiplayer is, multiplayer could be a "fly a mission with your friends" sort of deal with a defined "mission commander" in control of time warp etc. It could have been two airstrips and versus mode, or a single ait strip and some gates as a race mode where you build versus eachother on a budget and score points by winning races... I just wanted to dick around in planes and rockets we make ourselves, maybe take a trip to Duna together and one goes on gathering science while the other builds the base, that kind of stuff.
Technically multiplayer IS possible, and exists in some capacity as a mod in the original KSP.
@ET_AYY_LMAO have you played that mod? I have, it is a mess, but it really illustrates the challenges, especially with timewarp. But kore importantly, it's a look into if the team is being pressured by marketing, everyone screams for multi-player, but in reality they would much rather have a fully rounded experience and solid core mechanics.
I think they made a grave miscalculation thinking they could turn Kerbal into the next cashcow like minecraft or something...
This video points out why I was so eager to see how they developed interstellar. Think of all the factors you have to take into account. Assuming you have mitigated the extended time factors through stasis for the passengers or by large hydroponics, etc., you still have to decide on a nearby target star, and then accelerate with half your fuel, saving half to decelerate, as you approach. And since you (hopefully) know how fast you will go and thus know the travel time, you must then aim at not where the star is, but where it is going to be in say 20, 40 or however many years it will take to arrive. And nothing can go wrong with deceleration or you will over shoot right past the star and spend forever floating between the stars. And the accuracy of your calculations must be perfect. The distance compared to the respective gravity wells is on the order of firing a bow from a skyscraper in New York and hitting a specific pixel on a high def laptop in Paris. It would be a true accomplishment. Someday we may be able to see it actually simulated in a game other than with a loading screen.
I just strapped a Kerbal to a couple of boosters and it worked too.
10:00 There is a misunderstanding of what the ISM (Interstellar Medium) is.
It's less so atmosphere like, and more so tiny little chunks of ice and gas, which will basically slowly incinerate your sublightspeed vessel, should you even reach about 5% of the speed of light.
I guess aerodynamics might help a tiny bit, but the speeds are so high, you can't really reflect the ISM. Kind of the same as with gamma rays, despite being light, you can't reflect them, only absorb them.
It's basically the issue of debris around Earth on steroids. Though a interstellar vessel would probably have some thicker walls, considering radiation concerns as well.
But the front of such vessel would have to be extremely thick, and it would still not be enough.
Mind you, the heliosphere extends as far as to the heliopause, where the Solar Wind basically stops but still pushes away the ISM.
You probably do not want to go in the wrong direction (the direction of travel of the Solar system within the galaxy). Though dealing with radiation is actually a huge problem regardless.
7:12 With proper gravitational assists, and a proper engine, relativistic speeds would probably still not be achievable.
"that's it, we going back to KSP 1"- Kerbxodus, by ShadowZone
I never had a chance to find out, but what happens after the craft escapes Kerbol SOI? Does map view do anything interesting?
Wouldn't be gravity assists combined with a sundive more effecient to burn closer to kerbol?
Also, no power issues with solar panels there!
Shadowzone, thanks for the KSP2 coverage! I will always tune in to see what you're up to, and you did an amazing job on the KSP2 development documentary!
Almost to July when their funds run out ..
Oh my god... I had a vehicle that was like 2t and it took 25 orbits to escape Kerbin and get on a Duna Trajectory.. and I was lucky that my last burn took me past The Mun - passing it only 5km of the surface gave a nice gravity assist...
like you I found that Ion engines bug out when you use them while under time warp - though to me it started happening even at 2x speed after, as far as I remember, doing 12 orbits with time warp.. and after that My burns did not push the apoapsis unless i was in time warp 0... So I did all my burns in real time ^^'
My capture Burn at Duna was 1h 30min long.. and every sec was 4 sec.. so I went to the playground with my kids, bought ice cream and came back with a perfect PE at 55km B)
Any way.. Nice to see you go through this.. Because I think my small ion driven craft will be my last xD
2:18. YAAAASSSSS
Fun fact: back in 0.1.2, you could use a ship exactly like this to reach ridiculous speeds by just timewarping with the ion engines running. Its a comination of a bug (the one you saw happen in this video) and some quircks of how the game does accelerate under timewarp. at high timewarp settings, the EC available on the vessel drops in ‘blocks’ even if you’re providing sufficient EC to run the engines. Now comes the fun part: ion engines run on a resource the game calls ‘xenonEC’ rather than ‘Xenon’ and ‘EC’ seperately. Once a vessel enters accelerate under timewarp, the game keeps the thrust constant (which is why you cant change it or shut off an engine while timewarping) and runs a check on the fuel to determine when it will run out in order to automatically lower timewarp in time. For the Ion engine, it does this check on the ‘XenonEC’ resource, but it really only looks at the Xenon levels. The engine itself however has a check that will turn it off if the vessel ruls out of EC.
So, lets combine what we know: ion engines shut down when the vessel is out of EC, thrust remains constant when in timewarp until the game thinks you’re about to run out of fuel, and a high timewarp setting will cause ‘chunks’ of your EC budget to dissapear even if the vessel should be receiving enough from generators/solar panels.
Now let us take a look at what actually happens when you go to maximum timewarp with ion engines running. The EC bug causes your EC to almost immediately drop to zero right off the bat. The engines see this and shut down, which stops them from consuming any Xenon fuel. *but.* Since the game *does not check* EC to determine when you will run out of fuel, *the vessel stays in timewarp and keeps accelerating despite not consuming any fuel* . It’ll continue to do this until the point at which it calculated the vessel would run out of Xenon, despite no further Xenon being consumed. What this essentially boils down to is *the entire DV in the tanks being added to your velocity, without consuming a drop of Xenon* . A kraken drive is born! If you repeat this over and over again it wont take long until you start approaching relativistic speeds. I personally used it to accelerate a tiny probe to 3% the speed of light and leave Kerbols SOI (yes; Kerbol has a SOI in KSP2, but its so massive you wont ever leave it through conventional means. You can see it in map view if you zoom out enough). Im pretty sure some version of this kraken drive is still in the game: feel free to give it a try! Thanks for coming to my ted talk! ;)
Fascinating! What is the purpose of looking at "xenonEC" for burn under timewarp? Does the game also conflate CH4 and O2 to "methalox" in this situation?
Or is this because xenon and EC aren't pulled from the same part (or rather part module?) but from two separate ones and the burn under timewarp feature can't handle that?
@@ShadowZone from what i understand, XenonEC is an example of what the game calls a 'recipe'. most engines just consume resource types individually (methane&oxygen, methane&air, hydrogen,...), but recipes seemingly "compound" a regular resource (Xenon in this case) with another requirement (EC). i'm not sure why the game handles these situations differently than regular engine resource requirements, but i'm pretty sure its what causes a vessel running out of EC not being recognized as a valid reason to kick the player out of accelerate under timewarp
Ion thrusters with the new maneuver system would have been so cool if you could rotate your spacecraft and continuously thrust prograde even as you move around in your orbit. Electric propulsion spacecraft in real life can leave LEO by spiraling outwards over many months or years. I would have loved to see this in KSP2, especially for the long burns required for interstellar travel.
The electricity being used up too fast under time warp is a just another bug inherited from KSP1. It's from the original codebase.
Thanks!
Oh man, your orbit escape velocity burn looks like someone inflating a bouncy castle with their mouth... 😅
What about the rest? You should make a 2000 seat exodus ship to save kerbal kind. 🚀
2:07 AGAIN! gotta love it ^.^
9:51 I think interstellar dust, at relativistic speeds could be very destructive. Like nuclear bomb powerful. So you may need something like a very thick shield or active laser system of some kind rather than just an aerodynamic shape. I think Isaac Arthur has probably made a video on the subject. Anyway. Either of these solutions would have probably been infeasible in PHM and I don't think we know how much dust there is in interstellar space. So maybe we can assume it's basically empty.
I'm so happy I did not buy KSP2 but I wanted to wait until Interstellar was implemented.
I also was waiting until they delivered on their promises.
this was personal^^
Definitely feel the frustration coming out on this one. I feel for you. I hope you keep making videos. Ever do any flight sims. I could watch you do some flying if that’s something your into.
anyone else have an issue where ion thrusters dont work in a planets SOI at time warp?
Amaze, amaze, amaze! Wasn't prepared for a Hail Mary reference! Did anyone else enjoy that book as much as I did, question? ;)
make a ksp1 version of this ship and have it coming from infinity and end with them landing.
probably only reaching orbit and having another ship come and take them to land
Honestly the ship remined me a lot of the Hail Mary. If only there was astrophage so you wouldn't have to suffer with ion engines. RIP KSP2, what a shame.
6:55 1/6 c kann man mit Bordmitteln erreichen, dabei die Kerbol-SOI verlassen (9:41:40) und auch über das nächste Sternensystem stolpern (9:46:00). Wohlgemerkt bereits in der allerersten Version.
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You should play ksp 1 with the kcalbeloh mod which adds another multiple new stars orbiting a black hole
yeah, for me the whole point of KSP2 was the idea of going interstellar and making colonies. the current state of things kind of killed my desire to do anything involving Kerbals. I kept hoping KSP2 would advance enough to bring back my interest in the Kerbal Universe, but now it's seeming like that's only something in the past and I'll never have a reason to come back.
In a lot of ways, they managed to kill both games. Many people stopped playing KSP1 because KSP2 was coming out... KSP1 would have faded away eventually, but the lure of 2 hastened it.
@@kimchristensen2175and frankly I can’t even be bothered to play KSP1 anymore, since trying to mod it just makes it a nightmare from both a technical and gameplay perspective
@@alexsiemers7898 True. I haven't played it for a long time either. But I did play for many years ,which was much longer than most games, so it was excellent value.
I was hoping KSP2 would become the same sort of game. Glad I didn't buy it now.
@@kimchristensen2175 yeah i put a ton of time into KSP, really thought KSP2 was going to be even better. very saddened.
Not so much with aerodynamics...
See, the interstellar medium is so sparse that the idea of pressure waves kind of falls apart. There's no meaningful drag even on very fast-moving objects. Instead, each individual particle acts like hard radiation, a cosmic ray with energy appropriate to the relative speed of the ship. This will gradually break down and irradiate the skin of the ship.
The faster you go, the more energy the particles have, and the more destructive they are.
So while your ship looks good with its pointy nose, a real interstellar ship will probably more look like it's carrying a great big shield in front of itself. One of the best strategies for that is to use the ship's water storage as its outer shielding. Water is very good at slowing and stopping radiation. That's why we use it to shield spent fuel as it cools, in nuclear power plants, and why it's a good moderator for the reactor core itself. And since we'll need to carry a _lot_ of it, to keep humans alive on journeys of that length, a thick layer of ice or water (in tanks) with metal shielding, possibly with the outer layer of water gelatinized to reduce leaks, in most likely a great big disk out in front of the ship, with a long, narrow vessel design to minimize the diameter of the shield required within the other engineering parameters, is the most likely look for a realistic interstellar vessel.
There'd be basically zero concern for streamlining, just a flat hammer-faced shield is fine. You'd have to worry about the expansion rate of the universe long before deceleration due to drag. ;)
All hail the Alg
I didn't realise better burn indication would make it hard to plan multi-burns. I just did my first multi-burn transfer the other day. After years of feeling uncomfortable trying it in KSP, I did it almost without thinking in JNO. I'm don't know what made the difference, but JNO's maneuver tool is better than KSP's. It automatically adapts to the scale of transfer you're working at, and it has better text entry.
I love the point about drag from the interstellar medium. I've been wondering about it myself, but I also want excuses for sleek spaceships. :D
Into the unknown...
Never bought KSP2, so maybe I'll never know what I've missed. Fear not, ShadowZone, OG KSP forgives you and welcomes you back ❤
Godspeed!
I honestly just wanted a stable game with multiplayer, all the rest exist in mods
There is a Kerbol SOI you (probably) can escape. I would like to see someone do that ( I have tried and it takes days to get even 1% of the distance there).
No there isn't. Since no other stars were implemented, Kerbol's SOI stretches to infinity.
Cheat yourself to lightspeed and let it coast for a day @10000x timewarp, you will still be in Kerbol's SOI.
@@Robcraft1981 Maybe that’s the case. I have zoomed out in the map view and seen a sphere around kerbol but maybe that’s just some unintentional graphical thingy
I hope modders could make the game playable
there are limits. Currently no mod can do a manuever node in a future orbit. There are plenty of things like that.
They will.
@@awilliams1701modders find a way.
@@Shadowkey392 they can't unless the game is made open source
It's broken at it's core, the devs made sure of that, no amount of modding will ever fix it.
KSP has more/better features and looks and preforms 10x better than this crap with a few mods sprinkeled in.
That's cool video you make!
Edit: Is there a tutorial for how to play KSP?
Scott Manley has some and so does Matt lowne, good luck on your voyage!
Oh boy do i have a story for you...😅
(Literally this entire channel, and scott manley and matt lowne's channels are full of ksp tutorials)
heh...back in the old days pretty much all of us leaned to play watching Scotts tutorials, so perhaps you might start there for the OG experience, or you can also try some of the newer videos as well, there's plenty of stuff on youtube!
Anyway enjoy the original ksp experience for the first time, it may be hard at first, but its very rewarding once you figure it out!
It’s hard to think that there was an alternate reality or timeline where Take Two delayed the game and it came out as an improved KSP 1 or even what they promised to provide.
I'm not a player… but wouldn't it make more sense to accelerate first and then release the boosters? Surely you can add that "little" fuel for that part, and avoid the pain of thousands of orbits!
Time for a long sleep in cryo for the Kerbal MVPs, will they ever wake up? only time will tell.
Unpopular opinion... this game looks 10× better than its predecessor, even with mods that make the loading screen last 10 minutes...
you can do that with h2 trusters way faster
Project hail mary is amazing. They just started filming.
I hope they will reach the KSP 3 system soon. Or they can just head back to KSP 1.
I doubt it’ll hurt Take Two, but we should remember this when GTA6 releases (if it does lol)
It will don’t worry, rockstar knows how to make a functioning game unlike some people
That's what happens when y ou focus on marketing instead of product.
When the devs made a huge video production about their attempt to record audio of real rockets launching and didn't show any game play featuring the new features promised in KSP2 I got really pessimistic
@@tannerarmstrong1496 they were tryimg to act like the big boyd without the backing.
That's called capitalism
@@oddjam y ou dont know what capitalism is.
@@guillermoelnino I assure you, I absolutely do.
1. Would you consider doing content with modded KSP 1 to make it similar to the KSP 2's unfulfilled promises? Maybe that could incentivize modders to resume work on KSP 1
2. If you stay on KSP 2 only, I hope they at least release the planets from the other system before leaving, maybe modders could fill the gap someday...
They should just cut their losses and give Harvester back his creation. Only reason he sold the IP was to have the funding to finish KSP. Kerbals are his childhood creation, he deserves to have them back, although that isn't how life works, and I doubt they will give the IP away for cheap.
I feel like we‘ve lied to ourselves since KSP2s Early Access… always hoping it‘ll get better but in the end it was all too obvious that it never would’ve been completed…
I had a lot of faith in these people, this time around. I figured that they would have to start over seeing that the first KSP was nothing but a dirty bed in a garbage truck, on fire. I expected more, but not a highway for a road map. If Take Two is the government and the studio, are the workers. Everybody's showing up for a paycheck but there are no paychecks in house. Hopefully the modders and somebody buys this game and does something with it. But very unlikely. Because the government i.e.(Take Two) doesn't like anybody else by building roads on their land.😢😢😢
they fly to KSP1
Early access is meant to mean you can play an unfinished version and help to change the game with feedback for the better, not to just grab money and run.
this is like a good bye for ksp2
For 5 years it had so much more in it but it was not make enough money I guess so the team got layoff R.I.P Kps2
The devs screwed this up as much as the suits who pulled the plug.
5+ years and they couldnt even duplicate the first game.
I don't know about you guys but I have a GTX 1630 Ryzen 3 4500 and 8gb ram and it runs fairly good, the Graphics are default unchanged high/ultra...
To anyone itching to play a space exploration game that isn't TOO realistic but "feels" right* - go play Outer Wilds. Don't look it up, don't check a youtuber's playthrough: install it, play it, be amazed. The more you know about the game beforehand, the less you will enjoy it.
Thank me later.
Oh and for the love of all that is good in the world, DO NOT turn the music off. I know some people do that, and I see their point, but Outer Wilds uses music in a VERY different way from most games so keep it on!
*in terms of "realistic" physics at a compressed scale - the entire solar system is only I think 50km across, but within that there's an incredibly rich world full of lore and lovable characters.
I would have just turned on free energy
Its really sad when free energy suddenly makes more sense then whatever was going on at Take Two.
I don't care what anyone say, the 'improved graphics' for this game justify nothing. It was its biggest selling point for the past few years, and all it ever did was make everything look more plastic
I hope they could at least make it open source
I really hope they open source it and it can be salvaged...but i think that is unlikely...
nah take 2 likes money too much
No, it would be like when Netscape open-sourced Navigator. The community would spend two years trying to figure out how to turn shit into gold before realizing they are better off starting from scratch to create Firefox. Anyone interested it taking this up should start creating Gerbal Space Project.
Be funny if someone leaked the source everywhere.
At first, I didn't bought KSP2 despite being a huge fan of the first game because I am broke. Now, the more I look at the state of the game the less I feel like buying it. I think I'll stay with KSP1 for the time being. Whom say, maybe I'll take a look at it again when optimization become a prioritized concern to the development team.
So we’re all just rolling over? Not gonna fight for what we want? Not gonna make them feel our pain until they capitulate and give us what we want? Not gonna actually tell them how disgusted we are so there’s no chance that they think it’s just the game we’re upset with?
😂😂😂 roll over in what?
Feel free to roll yourself in all of Nate's shit you want. Good luck.
Most of the rest of us is back to ksp or moving on.
Our only hope would be for them to release the source code (or even leak it, since making the game free sw is not in their corporate bullshit interest)
Outside of not buying products with the Take-Two label, not much you can really do to affect those responsible.
I'm back to KSP1
I thought I'd wait until KSP 2 got into actually releasable state.... I guess I saved some time and money there!
NOOO YOU FORGOT TIM C
🤘🧑🚀👍👍👍👍👍
Regardless what about KSP2, I'll enjoy to keep watching whether you have the mood for some KSP1 or any other space / space games related content.
I've no idea how this went from so promising to WTF so quickly.
KSP2 could have so easily been a route to space Minecraft but it's funny...and educational.
But someone got stupid somewhere.
I paid for the Early Access.
Let's hope someone buys it up and starts putting people onto it again because it seriously could be huge.
Not that KSP wasn't huge, but that is frankly the Morrowind this this potential Skyrim. And that stayed huge the same reason people still play KSP: extreme modding potential.
Ksp2 in this form is a lost cause, but it is still my hope thay a few years from now a passionate studio picks up the IP and learns from the mistakes of ksp2
Fuck the IP. Gerbal Space Project.
#nofullgamenofullprice
Demand refunds and see if they will still lay everybody off
That wont help anything, the ship has sailed and sunk right out of port.
Gooooooodbyyyyyyyyeeeeeee 😢
Just remember to never to buy anything from take two ever again. They will do that to you again and again because nothing is stopping them.
RIP KSP 2, Godspeed... DAMN I had such high hopes for this game. It could've been nothing short of amazing. We never even got to see the new star systems, multiplayer, nada... SOOOOO pissed off I payed $50 bucks for a game that just got shut down that had so much potential... Last few updates had me so hyped, but damn... Just DAMN! Hoping someone picks this back up and finishes it, but FUCK Nick, and FUCK the bosses whom made this decision... This could've gone very differently if they had just done it right at the start, info via Shadowz earlier video on what went wrong. Love the channel, wish this had been different. Great concept here. Might have to make one myself... Farewell KSP2, hope we see you again in another form.
You forgot to FUCK the dev's who talked so big on promises and failed to deliver. Kraken slayed? Yeah, fuck right off.
People need to stop giving the team a free pass in this.
Lawsuits?
Why would there be? Yall were told it was "early access" and steam say right where you click to bug that you know you aren't buying a completed product, and acknowledge that it may remain in it's current state or may change. I saw this from the beginning and never bought it
@@JimmyThree-Ballssounds like valve needs to have their early access policy adjusted then
@@alexsiemers7898 lol never gonna happen
Play Juno
Take-two needs to stop buying up developers they do nothing but ruin gaming for everyone I was so excited for a multiplayer Kerbal game
They are probably getting even worse than EA games
why don't you try all the things that were promised for ksp2 in ksp1 using mods?
Nobody goes away without a refund
I tried to get one but steam completely just ignored my request even though I tried to explain that the game didn’t turn out to be what it promised so I doubt other people are having much better luck (people who payed for ksp2 got ripped off)
KSP Players: “Hey guys, one major issue with KSP 1 is the poor optimization”
IG: “Ok, well anyway here’s this $50 dumpster fire that requires a NASA supercomputer to get 10 frames per year
Correction: "Ok, well anyway here's this $50 'Early Access' for a title we promised was almost finished three years ago. Just remember, if you buy it, no guarantees it will ever be finished so don't bitch and moan if we pull the plug once we have extracted as much money as we can! And remember to shout down anyone who claims it's a cash grab! It is totally not! We swear! Those people are just jealous."