You made a very detail and compelling explanation, thank you for your videos. I would as about your thoughts about the voice messages to "Mum" on episode 1,.
Not gonna lie, gonna be disappointed if the previous episodes have been "all in his head". I prefer to think that he is currently between life and death and has to reconcile all his alters I order to live and that this skit has happened in a matter of seconds even though its possibly an hour story point to us
Maybe. But what if we are led to believe it is all in his head - we are gaslit as the audience that this is in his head the next two episodes only to have a real (confirmed) encounter of Khonshu talking to Marc - showing he isn't crazy and we got whiplashed
I still prefer to think he is in the duat/ underworld. It also much better explains him finding Steven in the sarcophagus, the corridor tilting when he realises it isn't real (like inception) and then running into tawaret
I’m very unsure of this but I think I read something a while ago about the hippo goddess having a hospital in the underworld where gods that were losing their minds with age would go for help
@@noheadshotbear4254 ur thinking of the Kane Chronicles, the book series by Rick Riordan. In those books there is a hospital for delusional and aging gods
There is a possibility this is the way the Egyptian Gods, possibly just Hathor, respond to Marc's cry of help in Ep 3. He said "I am unwell" "I need help". Well what if this was how the Gods gave him the help he needed? Tawaret could be sent by them to aid Marc.
I'm following everything you're dishing, but I think its opposite. I think the asylum is a hallucination, pulling in things in his life into the asylum. Makes the connections click, like you are saying, but makes way more sense when you start factoring in meeting Steven and Tawaret. I'm also not getting "real" asylum vibes with the amount of glass in Harrow's office.
Not only the glass, but him, a psychiatrist, had one of those little hammers doctors use for checking reflexes (and it honestly looked like a toy hammer lmao) He has pens, his cane in full view in a place where it could be very easily grabbed, a "patient" (that clearly had violent outbursts before) that isn't restrained in any way. His entire office is just a hazardous enviroment for someone unstable
Seems more likely to me that we’ve seen his real life up until now and it has influenced this hallucination either caused by his dying (like his life passing before his eyes) or by an Egyptian god slowing his death to help him defeat Harrow / Amit.
Could be that avatar of the female God that cavorted with Khonshu helping him reconcile things and come back from near death because she knows what Harrow is really up to?
Oh FASCINATING 😳🤯 (And also: potentially a _Cabinet of Dr. Caligari_ nod - that’s similar to the end of the film, where we can see some of the zany expressionist-angles painted 🎨 over by white hospital walls😄)
Woah! Plus, no building intended to house vulnerable patients would have the broken, exposed & uneven brickwork of the damaged walls shown in this video so, yes, asylum is fake
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say this video’s the biggest reach you’ve ever made. Bigger than any of the predictions about Mephisto, the Thunderbolts or the Young Avengers. Apparently for this to work Marc’s medication would have to only last a few minutes since he’s heavily medicated when he’s sitting down and already hallucinating about hippos by the time he runs down the hallway. Good easter eggs tho.
Yeah, and it doesn't even seem beyond Stephan Strange's powers either with the mirror dimension distorting the environment and the huge crack in the sky in No Way Home. If Strange could do that stuff, there's no reason to believe a Moon God can't do that kind of stuff and make an eclipse. What established rules of magic did Khonshu break? Sure, he was sealed away because messing with the sky was illegal, but that's moral laws, not physics laws.
I agree... The hallucination is the asylum. Harrow is trying to keep Marc/Steven (with a V)/Jake from fulfilling his mission/destiny because he knows how dangerous that could be for his own interests.
I think the biggest argument against this theory is, that we got a Layla scene without Mark in the third episode. If this wasn’t there I would be more unsure if the whole series was a illusion.
If it’s all his imagination, he could easily imagine a scene without himself in it. I think there are much better arguments against this theory. Namely, how absurd this supposedly real inpatient facility is.
@@THEENEMY5GATEISDOWN I agree but at the same time I don't know how absurd the facility is outside of harrows office, but it sure gives off a weird vibe. Not sure what to think at this point
I like to think that the asylum is a construct that Konshu is using to heal Marc. The show being just a dream would make the show feel limited and no way be able to wrap up in just two more episodes.
Imagine everything has been the afterlife because Marc died that night in Egypt with Layla's father. The end credits of episode 2 show the elevator hallway, the storage units, and the hallway from the asylum. It's all in his mind. "there's always been this wall between us but somethings changed.. Steven unlocked marcs Storage unit. These 3 hallways also share a similar theme in each scene; Lights flickering, Vertigo, a rumbling. Almost as if a ships moaning and rocking... And finally the little girl from episode one who asks Steven if it sucked getting rejected from the field of Reeds. To which he's unsure of himself asking am I ? After saying he's not dead.
The problem with the theory that he woke up from a dream in the asylum is that he finds Marc in a sarcophagus and is talking to a hippo. It’s just as unreal and fantastical as the initial story.
@@ricofed439 but drugs "wearing off" to finding an alter of yourself in person to seeing a egytian goddess talking to you is not a matter of minutes. it would start gradually and wouldn't hit this hard this fast.
@@StrandSteifen I get what you’re saying but also remember that this is not the first time he’s seeing those things. If this theory is correct, then Marc has been hallucinating Steven and Khonshu throughout the whole series and it was only until he got sedated that he stopped. So the hallucinations coming back that fast is plausible since his mind has already gotten to that point.
Marc hugs Steven when they first see each other. Steven is as real to Marc as everything else in the asylum. That is to say, none of it is real. Real mental health institutions don't have glass fish bowls just sitting out where they can be knocked over and shattered. Real psychologists don't have sharp objects splayed out across their desk in easy reach of patients that need to be restrained even while drugged.
I have a relative with schizophrenia. Her illness is well treated, yet it's still tough for her to navigate work and relationships. Untreated schizophrenia must be a complete nightmare! This show does a good job of portraying how tragic that could be.
This is is a neat theory, but as I've been into mental health care, I know they separate patients, like those who need to be tied up are separated from harmless ones (at least it's how things work here) and we certainly see that Mark is tied to his wheelchair. Also, at least here doctors don't have sharp objects or easy breakable objects in their offices. I think only decorations I've seen in doctor's office were paper handkerchiefs and plastic water bottles.
Yeah that office is way too elaborate. Even the way the brick wall are deconstructed. It just doesn’t make sense for a doctor to put a patient like this in that environment
another thing that could show that Marc is the rly in a hospital is the fact that the main man claiming to want to help him (Harrow) has objects on his desk that are incredibly sharp. Like why leave those there if your patient needs to be tied up bcs of his "past behaviours"
The passport scene, Layla fighting the Heka Priest, Layla talking with Harrow, only work if Layla is hallucinating them, not Marc/Steven. Khonshu didn't alter time to cause the Eclipse, he moved the moon, which was highly disruptive. He also didn't actually turn back time, just rewound the image of the night sky, projecting his memory, which is why it instanly snaps back when Khonshu is imprisoned. Steven Grant being a wealthy socialite who gets to date the hot woman would seem surreal & implausible, Steven Grant being an inept Egyptian Mythology Nerd who works at a museum and wishes he could be a famous Doctor of Archeology is a sad existence that would make a VHS Movie of his fantasy life where his namesake is awesome. Marc isn't really shot multiple times, not really bound to a violent deity, not really having to worry about having been an accessory to multiple murders, not really having hurt Layla several times over, & he is safe and protected... yeah, the Asylum is a mix of Marc's guilt punishing him and a warped fantasy of making everything bad actually being just in his head. Meanwhile, the asylum is far more surreal than their other life. Ketchup, Mustard, and salt shakers on all the tables... the banners & balloons being devoid of color but the banners having hieroglyphics on them besides the word BINGO... free access to sharp objects... live unprotected animals... the banners being within reach for use as weapons... large amounts of sweets... B22 (B only goes to 15, 22 is an I). Harrow spells it out ("We don't live in a material world, we live in a psychic world") telling the audience that the asylum is not on the physical plane of existence, but is just a mental construct.
The fact that we've seen scenes where Mark/Steven weren't present, such as Leyla getting the passport, go to the notion that those took place in reality while the hospital is in Mark's head, or is in the afterlife.
There are things that take place prior to the asylum that Marc/Steven are not present for (like Layla's fake passport scene) but so far that is not true for the asylum. I think the asylum is in his head (either part of his delusion or constructed by Harrow/ammit).
He’s going to find out that he is dying and that he has to come to grips with all of his personalities in order to become whole or “wake up” . Tawaret will explain that she can help him do this but it will be easier said then done.She eludes to a third personality that will be the one that needs the most convincing to go along with this become “whole” thing that needs to happen. They are currently on the boat floating down the sand we can guess this from the shift in the camera angle and tilt of the ceiling lamps and the “ship groaning” sounds that happen at this moment. In order to leave the ship to they have to meet Jake and work together to beat back the therapists group of cronies rescue themselves and free tawaret and konshu ending with moonknight coming back
This is an interesting Theory, but that thing that sticks out to me is the opening scene in the first episode. I can't see that fitting into this Theory
If this has all been in his head it will be really disappointing. I think the asylum scene is more of his subconscious coming to grips with his DID while in the process of dying, and that the beginning of episode 5 will have him being saved by hippo lady.
I think the Asylum is in his head for many reasons. 1. The asylum has many egyptian mythology stuff,I dont think an actual asylum would have. And why would a random lady draw Konshu? 2. We have two of Marc/ Steven now, thats even more absurd than anything that happened this far. The hippo lady also. 3. It wouldnt make sense because Marvel likes to make heroes that they can tie in to the bigger universe. If he is just a crazy guy the show wouldnt have much purpose. And they are leaning into the supernatural heavily nowadays.
Dr. Stranger turned back time. Yeah he did it with a stone. But why can't a actual God turn back time let alone the night sky. I mean he is a moon God.
Bro you're amazing, that's exactly what I thought but you put it all together 100× better than what I had in mind, I do think that this is where the show's going to, it's obvious since episode one , I also think that the one in the fight scene in Germany is Jake, because khonshu was saying " wake. Up Marc, let us be , surrender the body " obviously Marc wasn't in control
I just noticed that the whiteboard at 11:25 resembles the white image behind Harrow at 12:36. Not the same image, but a lot of the same patterns and symbols are repeated in both.
Seeing the scene of Layla saying Marc won then switching it to "we won" then to "I won" made me think of how the responsibility of being the avatar would trade off.
I’m excited to see how Moon Knight is portrayed in thing other than his own show, like will the audience still be able to see and hear the interactions going on in his own head or will it be from the outside perspective of whomever he’s with
Literally every piece of evidence you present here could be turned the other way. All the things that he has seen could be feeding into hallucination of the mental ward, or vice versa. That's part of what I love about this show, everything can be taken a variety of ways, keeping us on our toes. Personally, I like the interpretation that Mark died during the same attack that killed Layla's father and that this show is his journey through the field of reeds. That why everything, including the mental ward and it's parallels to 'real life' seem so fantastical. Quite frankly, that mental ward is just as ludicrous and seemingly unreal as what Mark/Steven have been experiencing up until that point. If it's all his brain coping with what happened, it makes sense that it's filling in the gaps with craziness. One thing I need to go back and anaylze is, are there ANY scenes that don't include Mark or Steven? If this is a movie production, there are always some scenes, no matter how small, that don't include your main character. But if this is a delusion (on other side), there shouldn't be ... you'd have no knowledge of anything happening outside your perception. And I think there have been, giving some creedence to the idea that this is some sort of production.
Good points! In terms of scenes which don't involve Steven/Marc the first one that comes to mind is Harrow talking to Layla about her father in the most recent episode
@@killingtime4444 That’s a great catch! What’s funny is I even commented to my wife that they always make it seem so easy to create a fake passport in movies! 🤔
I am not sure if it’s all been in his head, but I’m pretty sure that hospital is. Nobody would ever build a psychiatric hospital like that. The colors (or lack thereof) are way off. The decor is bizarre and expensive. The architecture is wrong. And, well, BINGO doesn’t work like that.
I know little of Egyptology... but I have been to a few psych wards as a teen and was informed the importance of interior design in the wards. All white rooms with little texture/calmimg colors or identifying differentiation can be really harmful for certain patients and dehumanizing psychologically. So no. I don't think this is a real ward. Also all of these details are too specific and similar in relation to eachother to exist ins world where they are not narratively connected. This isn't a mental pattern. These are separated fragments.
I think this is the underworld, and the mental institute is just how Mark sees it. If you read Kane Chronicles, Ra was kept in a “senior living” scenario in the underworld, this could be something similar. This way, his personalities can all be judged separately, and possibly come back to life.
My biggest question would be about explaining Layla's scene in this episode. It happens away from Steven/Marc so that would be her own experience and idk why Marc would imagine that whole thing.
I am 99% sure that art on the board in the asylum is Kris Markovich art. He has a very specific style. He was a professional skateboarder before he became an artist. I hope we see more of his asthetic in future episodes.
There was an BTAS episode where Bruce was dreaming, they did it pretty well. I’d have to watch it again to see how much they actually rug pulled, but I remember always enjoying that episode enough that I still recall it today.
It's only the fourth fucking episode. He wasn't in a mental asylum since the start, especially since there's a god damned hippo goddess there. Jesus Christ.
One thing that keeps bothering me is that Ammit stone in the museum. Why is there a big hole exactly where the heart should be? What if what we are seeing is Harrow trapping Steven in his own mind? The life we presumed Marc had before we meet him could still be the same. The only difference is that Marc is now trapped in his mind after being caught by Harrow - perhaps on the night Layla’s father was killed. It could have been Harrow who was his “partner” who then trapped him in this mindf**k. I also don’t like the choice of words Harrow uses, or his tone. He keeps acting like everything is Marc’s fault. Perhaps because Marc refuses to give Harrow the thing he needs? So I think the people we see are people from Marc’s life - Harrow has trapped him and now he’s looking to escape. We still don’t know what made Steven come to the forefront again. Marc told us that he had Steven on lockdown - then something happened. I think the thing that happened was the shooting of Layla’s father. He’s been trapped in his mind by Harrow since then. Perhaps Jake is the one personality who knows what is happening, but he has to remain hidden from Marc & Steven because Harrow will control him as well?
dude, no joke, watching this felt like a flat earth video the ponts you make made perfect sense, it feels plausible, and the evidence you presented can be legitimately interpreted this way. but it cant be true.
I think Mark is the main personality here. Not Steven. Mark is the one who let out Steven. If Steven were the main protagonist, we would've seen him letting out Mark.
The vintage VHS 'Tomb Buster' movie and the action figure seem to suggest the idea that Mark has been institutionalized since he was a boy (as noted in one of the comic runs). The VHS movie is set in South America so how would Steven gain an 'expert' level in Egyptology if he grew up in an asylum? Even if the Egyptian books/resources were in the asylum, his constant sedated state wouldn't afford him the means for independent study. I would think his imaginary world would have been based in South America (like the movie) and not Egypt. I believe it's Khonshu that is manipulating Steven/Marc's fractured mind and, since he only has access to bits and pieces of Steven/Marc's memories the asylum that Khonshu has created is a hodge-podge of both of their experiences. Khonshu is using this fake asylum to 'repair' Steven/Marc's mind enough so he can continue to function as his avatar. I think the Tawarek goddess will provide some kind of healing/understanding to Steven/Marc, enough to free Khonshu from his imprisonment and allow him to become Moon Knight again.
Not only would "everything you've seen so far is just a dream OHHHHHH" be the cheapest cop out ever, it would also be horribly insulting to the mental health community and would question what that mental health consultant was doing there. Like they had one job and they let that slide, can Disney get the money back somehow? The far more likely answer is everything we have seen is "real" or at least how it was perceived at the time by the characters. The jackal wasn't in the security tapes, the show just magicked the thing in there with CGI and taking something out of footage is way easier. The globe spanning cult has highly trained mercenaries in every country, just can't quite handle Adobe. The trial scene telegraphs their intentions with the ad hominem attacks based on mental illness being used by the villain. They want to show assuming the perspective of someone is illusionary because they have mental illness is what evil people do. The psych ward is on another plane for those crossing over and the extra Isaacs are how they are going to explore the question of souls and what makes a person a person, not how mentally ill people see the world.
But if it did turn out to be "a dream all along", why would it be a cheap cop out? That would make sense if it's attempting to backsolve for logical fallacies, but if said fallacies are actually put in place to justify everything being a dream, isn't that actually expensive? And not a cop out, since that was the goal, meaning revealing it as real would actually be a cop out?
@@nicolaashamman6201 It would be like the ending of "The Village". Yea he left some anachronistic clues, but really it was just a twist to say "Gotcha". The concept of unreliable narrators has been trod to death most notably in "Fight Club" which is the inspiration for most of the series. To steal their major theme on top of everything else isn't homage, it's theft. Far better to honor that movie is to explore the ideas it touched on but didn't follow through with, like what makes a personality a person and which one is real. The one that lives it's life, or the one that happens to have a history agreed upon by society.
Don’t worry, there’s a Moon Knight TV spot showing Moon Knight and Harrow running towards each other on a pyramid so it’s all been real. Honestly clueless how people think the show was all a dream
@@opsports50 How come it all being real wouldn't also be theft? A lot more movies and shows have done that, taking the idea of their story being real (in a self-contained sense since it's fiction). Have those movies/shows all not been stealing from each other too? Also I still don't see how that makes it a cop out, outside of it not being what you thought it was, but that's only a cop out if you think it's required to be real. So if a viewer think it has to be a dream, then by such logic having it be real would be a cop out to them.
If the story was told purely from the perspective of Marc/Steven, then I could get with this theory. But we see a bunch of things Marc/Steven would have no knowledge of. Also, narratively, this would be a terrible decision. You would essentially make Moon Knight an unusable character and inadvertently make viewers feel like they wasted their time.
Unless all stuff happen in another universe in the Multiverse and this variant of Marc/Steven is getting the variant's memories driving him crazy into a mental Hospital. Bam what a twist.
@@theinsurance2450 so yes. There are ways in to make the series work, but even using your scenario...that still makes the whole series a waste of time si the average viewer would have a poor taste in their mouth when they think of Moon Knight in any other movie they use him in.
@@doc_s1krr751 It not waste because the variant receiving the memories is the one from the other universe. We are seeing his point of view from his universe.Think about it. This whole time watching this show, they never once reference anything else from the MCU. It because the story is not base in the main MCU but another universe. In other words the memories Marc is receiving is from a Marc from the MCU. While we are watching the point of view of a Marc in this other universe. This show comes out and is completed before the Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness movie comes out for a reason.
I will admit that as unlikely as this theory may seem, which is to say I personally don't believe in it at all, there is one point that I've noticed that may reinforce this theory. Namely the infamous bad Mandarin scene in ep2. I'm Chinese, and I sure as heck could not tell that they were trying to speak in Mandarin when I first watched that scene. Now, here's my theory. What if the reason it sounded like gibberish was because Marc doesn't know Mandarin in reality? I've had dreams where I was speaking in Japanese, and I know that I was speaking fluently in my dreams. But in reality, I can't speak a word of it. When I try to recall what I was saying in my dreams, I believe it to be gibberish, even though I know exactly what I was trying to convey.
And he didn't turn back time 2000 years either, he keeps saying this in his videos and everyone disagrees with it, idk why he keeps making that point when it's clearly not true
The first 4 episodes have to be real because there are scenes that we've seen that Marc isn't apart of. If it was all an illusion those scenes wouldn't happen because he's not there.
They did leave something to let us know that it's not all in his head. The people he fought on the roof top are not in the mental institution. So who are they? Where did they come from? The brain cannot create a new face in dreams, any face you see in a dream, is someone you've met in life.
the brain cannot create a new face in dreams? where the hell do you get that from? stop your bullshit. ever been to an unknown location in a dream? or are all of your dreams just recordings of waking life. so tired of internet idiots pretending to play expert you know what? you show me a study where theyve even thought of how to test that and I'll concede. cause you wouldnt even be able to do it in an fmri looking at the activity in the fusiform face area because it would be active in the construction of a new face anyways! you'd have to be able to visually reconstruct dreams! Theyve been working on that tech for decades and they are still decades away from it being reliable enough to be used in a study as delicate as recreating facial details from brain activity! AND THEN you'd have to have a log of every person someone has ever seen in their life! your turn, smartass. or have you decided to stop lying to people?
Unlikely considering in the real world we follow other characters completely divorced from whatever is going on with Marc but in the hospital scenes we are see everything from the pov of Marc
I have the feeling it might be like in the comics and the asylum is a work of Khonshu. I am intrigued by the drawing with the eyes and their placement. One eye ( of Horus, Khonshu) above four other ones (Marc, Steven, Moon Knight and Mr. Knight)
This gets messy because we see people Marc/Steven don’t know and haven’t seen (the passport lady) in the hospital scene. That means the hospital can’t be just an amalgamation of things he’s experienced. But if the hospital is reality and everything else is imagination or hallucination, how would we ever see anything outside of Marc’s experience (the passport scene)? Something else has to be happening here.
My first inkling of this was how cartoonishly and consistently awful his boss was being from their first scene, combined with the guard's equally extra dismissiveness. A community theater hack might write dialogue that...pointy, but most everything else going on around those scenes clearly demonstrates relatively deft screenwriting. I strongly suspect the truth will be somewhere in the middle; parts of what came before were real and parts were visualized through his warped/cracked mental lens, and while some of the missing time will be filled in and a few incongruities ironed out, they will probably leave some of it interpretive.
I don't think the whole show is in his head. I think he's currently in the state of limbo between life and the du'at, and Taweret is possibly trying to help him get out, or Harrow is trying to fully form Marc so his soul can be judged and fed to Ammit
If they have left us with the scene of asylum, then it would have pretty sure that the asylum is the reality but when steve comes out of sarcophagus and that hippo appeared it was pretty evident that whatever we have seen in previous episodes are real and this is not.
I think the 3rd personality is in charge right now and has the other 2 (and another random 4th) locked up in the mind. That’s why Steven and mark can interact.
As much as I love the theories I'm too much into writing to know that this is just thrown in for shock value and confusion just to hype up the next episode and plus marvel will be at loss if they made moonknight a delusion hence hindering future opportunities to include him in movies
Also when mark was in the mental asylum and meet Steven, on left side of mark on the walls we can see the reflection of mark on tiles.. but there was no reflection of Steven on the walls indicating that mark was hallucinating Steven 🤯
I think its interesting that when Harrow in the tomb says "I can't save you, if you don't save yourself" and then in the hospital he says "I can't help you, if you don't help yourself" they add the same reverb to his voice - I think thats significant somehow
I think is a test, some Egyptian type of limbo to weight his deeds, and that’s why all the areas of his life are represented there. Also, the whole scenes gave me a 12 Monkeys vibe.
If you have watched Mr. Robot before, they had nearly an entire arch about Elliot in the outside world helping stop a blackmarket trading of little kids etc. Just to show all of this happened within the walls of prison. This gives me the same type of vibes and intrigued on how they finish the final two episodes.
If this video is true I'd be upset. Even though I can't imagine how much work it takes to detailed things like this its pretty impressive. Just not the story I was looking for.
It's not in his head... BUT, that would be AMAZING if it was! On the final episode he breaks out and the Konshu armor wraps around him! Like, he's Moon Knight- but what a mind fuck! Then when the other heroes encounter him it would be so amazing! Like, they met Mr Night and we all know that's Stephen or he's brutal and barely talks- that's Jake! But the other heroes all have VERY different meetings with him. "No, he wears a suit- like a business suit!"
Actually if it was all a hallucination it would be disappointing for many viewers including me...We have been excited for every episode and then knowing that everything was just in his head and that the actual show was just 2 episodes is absurd...But we trust Marvel...Everything they do has a purpose and plan...excited for next ep
There are basically two tropes that always end up happening whenever a movie or show mixes mental illness with the supernatural. One, that the supernatural elements were never real and were manifestations of the mental illness. Two, that the mental illness wasn't real and was in fact a byproduct of the supernatural forces. Both are insulting to actual mental illness and I hope this show avoids resorting to such tired cliches.
I agree with you about the tropes but I don’t think it’s disrespectful to real mental illnesses. In real life, people that are eccentric or different are often gaslighted into believing they’re crazy.
It doesn't really feel like either of those will be the outcome since magic has been established in the mcu (I could be wrong though). so it could be he's dealing with both mental health issues and magic, which would explain why the show is so chaotic, because it would be absolute chaos for Mark to be dealing with his mental health and magic/gods at the same time. it would be an endless nightmare for him to differentiate between what is real and what is not, with magic seriously blurring the lines in the progress, while trying to deal with everything going on around him. We see similar things in wandavision, where wanda is going through a mental health crisis and her powers are making it worse.
I feel like Khonshu moving the moon and sky are just illusions projected to the POV of people on Earth. But some interesting questions I have is how do the Egyptian Gods tie into the wider MCU. Are the Egyptian Gods just aliens? How does it tie into the Eternals, Celestials and other Godly beings? Are they only known by humans? Would be a good video idea to clear all of it up! Great vid btw love your content :)
I wonder if he was only shot to death once - by his partner - and everything in between then and him being shot a second time were a test by Khonsu carried out by Ammit, like an underworld recruitment program for avatars. Him being shot in the test (during end of episode 4) was him failing, like the low point in a hero’s journey, and he’ll return (as in rebirth, aided by Taweret) stronger than ever to finally pass the test (“free Khonsu”) to finally earn the title of Moonknight. So essentially it wasn’t all a dream and instead was a test that occurred right when he was shot to death the first time.
This crossed my mind until he found Steven where I started to think this was in Marc's head. I actually won't be surprised that Marc has been in a mental institution and that this might be a repeat test that Harrow is doing and that the events took place just having gotten more outlandish with every repeat. But then, Layla's star chart was working, so, likely she had internet access so they could have done that without Khonshu's help. Yes, she couldn't hear him, but she also was out of character not questioning everything.
Check out the action figures online. They are still pre-order only but I think it has something to do with the show still not being over yet. The Mr. NICE figure has another metal looking arm. Ryan will you look into this? Is there some weapon we haven't seen yet for Mr. NICE?
Wow, that's an interesting theory. Now i wanna go back and watch the 4 episodes all over again. I'm gonna try to spot all the elements you pointed out in your video. Thank you 👌🏼
Ryan you make some very good points in this video but I think it would make more sense (as well as make for a better story) if the asylum is the real hallucination and everything we've seen in the show is Marc's real life. I find that the uniformly white painted asylum gives off a very surreal vibe and not something that would likely portray a "real" plane of reality. Also, I think Marc's physical encounter with Steven ultimately shows that the asylum is all in Marc's head rather than being the main MCU realm just because someone who has DID would never get this opportunity in real life.
How many times does the community have to tell u youtubers khonshu isnt turning back time. He is simply projecting his memory of the night sky as a temporary visual in the actual sky
I struggled to decide whether I'd like it if it turns out it was all in Marc's head. Turns out I would like it because then I'd get to watch the whole show again with fresh eyes. Also, how many clocks/time have we seen up until now? Apparently clocks/time doesn't translate well in dreams
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Do you think it was all in his head?
You made a very detail and compelling explanation, thank you for your videos. I would as about your thoughts about the voice messages to "Mum" on episode 1,.
No
No, I do believe (because of Taweret) that he’s in some kind of ”heavenly” purgatory.
First i was sure that it wasn't, now after all these theory videos i m not sure....
Am I going mad, because that was posted a day ago.
Not gonna lie, gonna be disappointed if the previous episodes have been "all in his head". I prefer to think that he is currently between life and death and has to reconcile all his alters I order to live and that this skit has happened in a matter of seconds even though its possibly an hour story point to us
Watch NewRockStars for their take on the episode. It makes more sense.
Imagine if it was in his head, he never had superpowers and was just an ordinary person with DID lol. Then he’d never be in any marvel movies
@@DrHerculesReal agree
Maybe. But what if we are led to believe it is all in his head - we are gaslit as the audience that this is in his head the next two episodes only to have a real (confirmed) encounter of Khonshu talking to Marc - showing he isn't crazy and we got whiplashed
I agree. I also think the showrunners know that a lot of people would feel that way and are smart enough not to do that
I still prefer to think he is in the duat/ underworld. It also much better explains him finding Steven in the sarcophagus, the corridor tilting when he realises it isn't real (like inception) and then running into tawaret
Also the personalities can be judged differently in the underworld or wherever
I would HOPE Tawaret isn't walking around in his real world, that wouldn't be normal...
I’m very unsure of this but I think I read something a while ago about the hippo goddess having a hospital in the underworld where gods that were losing their minds with age would go for help
@@noheadshotbear4254 ur thinking of the Kane Chronicles, the book series by Rick Riordan. In those books there is a hospital for delusional and aging gods
I believe this to be true.
There is a possibility this is the way the Egyptian Gods, possibly just Hathor, respond to Marc's cry of help in Ep 3.
He said "I am unwell" "I need help". Well what if this was how the Gods gave him the help he needed?
Tawaret could be sent by them to aid Marc.
I would be very happy with that.
This is it, well maybe not all the egyptian gods, but a couple of them forsure seemed like they wanted to help-
amazing theory what helps this more that tawaret is the god of healing
Thats what my though was. Basically what Random Hero already said. A few of those gods at the trial seemed a little too eager to side with Harrow
I'm following everything you're dishing, but I think its opposite. I think the asylum is a hallucination, pulling in things in his life into the asylum. Makes the connections click, like you are saying, but makes way more sense when you start factoring in meeting Steven and Tawaret. I'm also not getting "real" asylum vibes with the amount of glass in Harrow's office.
Seriously, and that glass pyramid on Harrow's desk is a weapon that does not belong in an asylum.
@@ali191 Agreed...but if I was a patient, I wouldn't complain about the cart of delicious cupcakes.
ammit wants him to think it was all in his head so he doubts himself
Not only the glass, but him, a psychiatrist, had one of those little hammers doctors use for checking reflexes (and it honestly looked like a toy hammer lmao)
He has pens, his cane in full view in a place where it could be very easily grabbed, a "patient" (that clearly had violent outbursts before) that isn't restrained in any way. His entire office is just a hazardous enviroment for someone unstable
yeah definitely not a real asylum.
Seems more likely to me that we’ve seen his real life up until now and it has influenced this hallucination either caused by his dying (like his life passing before his eyes) or by an Egyptian god slowing his death to help him defeat Harrow / Amit.
I think the 3rd has them locked up in the mind. That’s why Steven and mark are both there (and a scary 4th) and can interact.
Could be that avatar of the female God that cavorted with Khonshu helping him reconcile things and come back from near death because she knows what Harrow is really up to?
Did anyone also notice that the asylum was the exact same place as Harrows base in the second episode? Same layout, structure, just painted white!
Harrow’s office being the room where Steven jumps out the window in the 2nd ep
Oh FASCINATING 😳🤯
(And also: potentially a _Cabinet of Dr. Caligari_ nod - that’s similar to the end of the film, where we can see some of the zany expressionist-angles painted 🎨 over by white hospital walls😄)
I didn’t!! Awesome catch!!!
@@adamsinger123 i was thinking about that movie while watching this video, too. Although i believe that the asylum is a fantasy
Woah!
Plus, no building intended to house vulnerable patients would have the broken, exposed & uneven brickwork of the damaged walls shown in this video so, yes, asylum is fake
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say this video’s the biggest reach you’ve ever made. Bigger than any of the predictions about Mephisto, the Thunderbolts or the Young Avengers. Apparently for this to work Marc’s medication would have to only last a few minutes since he’s heavily medicated when he’s sitting down and already hallucinating about hippos by the time he runs down the hallway. Good easter eggs tho.
this stretch must've felt AMAZING after you were done
Never been this early so just wanted to say, wow. That episode was some of the best content in the entire MCU. Absolutely loving this series
Well he is the god of the moon. I feel like moving the moon any amount of time or space would be possible.
Yeah, and it doesn't even seem beyond Stephan Strange's powers either with the mirror dimension distorting the environment and the huge crack in the sky in No Way Home. If Strange could do that stuff, there's no reason to believe a Moon God can't do that kind of stuff and make an eclipse. What established rules of magic did Khonshu break? Sure, he was sealed away because messing with the sky was illegal, but that's moral laws, not physics laws.
I kindly have to disagree on that theory. Look at the architecture of this asylum alone, the walls and the ceiling. This is the hallucination.
I agree... The hallucination is the asylum. Harrow is trying to keep Marc/Steven (with a V)/Jake from fulfilling his mission/destiny because he knows how dangerous that could be for his own interests.
I think the biggest argument against this theory is, that we got a Layla scene without Mark in the third episode. If this wasn’t there I would be more unsure if the whole series was a illusion.
If it’s all his imagination, he could easily imagine a scene without himself in it. I think there are much better arguments against this theory. Namely, how absurd this supposedly real inpatient facility is.
I thought the exact same thing
@@THEENEMY5GATEISDOWN I agree but at the same time I don't know how absurd the facility is outside of harrows office, but it sure gives off a weird vibe. Not sure what to think at this point
Both what is presented as „reality“ seems a bit off, the same for the hospital scenes…
@@xxx-gw9hc it was all a dream starts playing*
I like to think that the asylum is a construct that Konshu is using to heal Marc. The show being just a dream would make the show feel limited and no way be able to wrap up in just two more episodes.
Imagine everything has been the afterlife because Marc died that night in Egypt with Layla's father.
The end credits of episode 2 show the elevator hallway, the storage units, and the hallway from the asylum. It's all in his mind. "there's always been this wall between us but somethings changed.. Steven unlocked marcs Storage unit.
These 3 hallways also share a similar theme in each scene; Lights flickering, Vertigo, a rumbling. Almost as if a ships moaning and rocking... And finally the little girl from episode one who asks Steven if it sucked getting rejected from the field of Reeds. To which he's unsure of himself asking am I ? After saying he's not dead.
The problem with the theory that he woke up from a dream in the asylum is that he finds Marc in a sarcophagus and is talking to a hippo. It’s just as unreal and fantastical as the initial story.
He explained that this is because the drugs they used to sedate him are wearing off at that point and he’s back to hallucinating.
@@ricofed439 but drugs "wearing off" to finding an alter of yourself in person to seeing a egytian goddess talking to you is not a matter of minutes. it would start gradually and wouldn't hit this hard this fast.
@@StrandSteifen I get what you’re saying but also remember that this is not the first time he’s seeing those things. If this theory is correct, then Marc has been hallucinating Steven and Khonshu throughout the whole series and it was only until he got sedated that he stopped. So the hallucinations coming back that fast is plausible since his mind has already gotten to that point.
Right! I’m surprised my favorite TH-camrs actually think the psych ward could be real. Lol
@@ricofed439 Yeah, Cool, but sedatives don't work that way. They don't turn reality into a Fictional 3D Movie. They just make you drowsy.
Marc hugs Steven when they first see each other. Steven is as real to Marc as everything else in the asylum. That is to say, none of it is real. Real mental health institutions don't have glass fish bowls just sitting out where they can be knocked over and shattered. Real psychologists don't have sharp objects splayed out across their desk in easy reach of patients that need to be restrained even while drugged.
I have a relative with schizophrenia. Her illness is well treated, yet it's still tough for her to navigate work and relationships. Untreated schizophrenia must be a complete nightmare! This show does a good job of portraying how tragic that could be.
Doctor: Make this ward all white and remove all patient stimulus.
Nurse: Check.
Doctor: Now add a bunch of Egyptian crap.
Yeahno
the mental hospital is for sure the hallucination . harrow is some how doing it knowing mark would believe it because of his multiple identities
This is is a neat theory, but as I've been into mental health care, I know they separate patients, like those who need to be tied up are separated from harmless ones (at least it's how things work here) and we certainly see that Mark is tied to his wheelchair. Also, at least here doctors don't have sharp objects or easy breakable objects in their offices. I think only decorations I've seen in doctor's office were paper handkerchiefs and plastic water bottles.
Yeah that office is way too elaborate. Even the way the brick wall are deconstructed. It just doesn’t make sense for a doctor to put a patient like this in that environment
Yep. And him punching the window out? Riiiightt
another thing that could show that Marc is the rly in a hospital is the fact that the main man claiming to want to help him (Harrow) has objects on his desk that are incredibly sharp. Like why leave those there if your patient needs to be tied up bcs of his "past behaviours"
@@Sonnix07 Why would he need sharp objects? Not like he’s a surgeon or what.
The passport scene, Layla fighting the Heka Priest, Layla talking with Harrow, only work if Layla is hallucinating them, not Marc/Steven.
Khonshu didn't alter time to cause the Eclipse, he moved the moon, which was highly disruptive. He also didn't actually turn back time, just rewound the image of the night sky, projecting his memory, which is why it instanly snaps back when Khonshu is imprisoned. Steven Grant being a wealthy socialite who gets to date the hot woman would seem surreal & implausible, Steven Grant being an inept Egyptian Mythology Nerd who works at a museum and wishes he could be a famous Doctor of Archeology is a sad existence that would make a VHS Movie of his fantasy life where his namesake is awesome. Marc isn't really shot multiple times, not really bound to a violent deity, not really having to worry about having been an accessory to multiple murders, not really having hurt Layla several times over, & he is safe and protected... yeah, the Asylum is a mix of Marc's guilt punishing him and a warped fantasy of making everything bad actually being just in his head.
Meanwhile, the asylum is far more surreal than their other life. Ketchup, Mustard, and salt shakers on all the tables... the banners & balloons being devoid of color but the banners having hieroglyphics on them besides the word BINGO... free access to sharp objects... live unprotected animals... the banners being within reach for use as weapons... large amounts of sweets... B22 (B only goes to 15, 22 is an I). Harrow spells it out ("We don't live in a material world, we live in a psychic world") telling the audience that the asylum is not on the physical plane of existence, but is just a mental construct.
The fact that we've seen scenes where Mark/Steven weren't present, such as Leyla getting the passport, go to the notion that those took place in reality while the hospital is in Mark's head, or is in the afterlife.
i forget there are scenes like that
Konshu turning back the night sky is actually not that weird since Konshu is also the Egyptian god of time who protects nighttime travelers
There are things that take place prior to the asylum that Marc/Steven are not present for (like Layla's fake passport scene) but so far that is not true for the asylum. I think the asylum is in his head (either part of his delusion or constructed by Harrow/ammit).
By far my favourite breakdown show , you make it even better watching the shows because you point out the same moments as the channel
He’s going to find out that he is dying and that he has to come to grips with all of his personalities in order to become whole or “wake up” . Tawaret will explain that she can help him do this but it will be easier said then done.She eludes to a third personality that will be the one that needs the most convincing to go along with this become “whole” thing that needs to happen. They are currently on the boat floating down the sand we can guess this from the shift in the camera angle and tilt of the ceiling lamps and the “ship groaning” sounds that happen at this moment. In order to leave the ship to they have to meet Jake and work together to beat back the therapists group of cronies rescue themselves and free tawaret and konshu ending with moonknight coming back
This is an interesting Theory, but that thing that sticks out to me is the opening scene in the first episode. I can't see that fitting into this Theory
If this has all been in his head it will be really disappointing. I think the asylum scene is more of his subconscious coming to grips with his DID while in the process of dying, and that the beginning of episode 5 will have him being saved by hippo lady.
I think the Asylum is in his head for many reasons.
1. The asylum has many egyptian mythology stuff,I dont think an actual asylum would have. And why would a random lady draw Konshu?
2. We have two of Marc/ Steven now, thats even more absurd than anything that happened this far. The hippo lady also.
3. It wouldnt make sense because Marvel likes to make heroes that they can tie in to the bigger universe. If he is just a crazy guy the show wouldnt have much purpose. And they are leaning into the supernatural heavily nowadays.
If he felt a need to see the hippo lady at the end, that wouldn't explain both Stephen and Mark's frightful reaction to her.
Also in the trailer, the song that is used is " day n' night" where a verse in there trailer sounds like "Its in my mind mind"
Dr. Stranger turned back time. Yeah he did it with a stone. But why can't a actual God turn back time let alone the night sky. I mean he is a moon God.
Bro you're amazing, that's exactly what I thought but you put it all together 100× better than what I had in mind, I do think that this is where the show's going to, it's obvious since episode one , I also think that the one in the fight scene in Germany is Jake, because khonshu was saying " wake. Up Marc, let us be , surrender the body " obviously Marc wasn't in control
I just noticed that the whiteboard at 11:25 resembles the white image behind Harrow at 12:36. Not the same image, but a lot of the same patterns and symbols are repeated in both.
Seeing the scene of Layla saying Marc won then switching it to "we won" then to "I won" made me think of how the responsibility of being the avatar would trade off.
I’m excited to see how Moon Knight is portrayed in thing other than his own show, like will the audience still be able to see and hear the interactions going on in his own head or will it be from the outside perspective of whomever he’s with
I love how you just ignored the fact that he was shot and drifted into a spirit dimension at the end...
it could also be the other way around, like harrow manipulating marc's mind to see everything he has seen in his adventures this far
These videos are absolutely incredible. Really enjoy watching them! You can really tell there was a lot of work put into them, keep it up!
Literally every piece of evidence you present here could be turned the other way. All the things that he has seen could be feeding into hallucination of the mental ward, or vice versa. That's part of what I love about this show, everything can be taken a variety of ways, keeping us on our toes.
Personally, I like the interpretation that Mark died during the same attack that killed Layla's father and that this show is his journey through the field of reeds. That why everything, including the mental ward and it's parallels to 'real life' seem so fantastical. Quite frankly, that mental ward is just as ludicrous and seemingly unreal as what Mark/Steven have been experiencing up until that point. If it's all his brain coping with what happened, it makes sense that it's filling in the gaps with craziness.
One thing I need to go back and anaylze is, are there ANY scenes that don't include Mark or Steven? If this is a movie production, there are always some scenes, no matter how small, that don't include your main character. But if this is a delusion (on other side), there shouldn't be ... you'd have no knowledge of anything happening outside your perception. And I think there have been, giving some creedence to the idea that this is some sort of production.
Good points! In terms of scenes which don't involve Steven/Marc the first one that comes to mind is Harrow talking to Layla about her father in the most recent episode
Then the making of the fake passport for Layla
@@killingtime4444 That’s a great catch! What’s funny is I even commented to my wife that they always make it seem so easy to create a fake passport in movies! 🤔
The moment Harrow is in the digging site with his followers.
Also when Layla part ways with Steve while being chased by the monster. But those moments are rare, indeed.
I am not sure if it’s all been in his head, but I’m pretty sure that hospital is. Nobody would ever build a psychiatric hospital like that. The colors (or lack thereof) are way off. The decor is bizarre and expensive. The architecture is wrong.
And, well, BINGO doesn’t work like that.
I know little of Egyptology... but I have been to a few psych wards as a teen and was informed the importance of interior design in the wards. All white rooms with little texture/calmimg colors or identifying differentiation can be really harmful for certain patients and dehumanizing psychologically. So no. I don't think this is a real ward. Also all of these details are too specific and similar in relation to eachother to exist ins world where they are not narratively connected. This isn't a mental pattern. These are separated fragments.
The show has perfectly placed us in the same position as Steven / Marc : anxiously bouncing between the Reality vs Dream Dilemna
I think this is the underworld, and the mental institute is just how Mark sees it. If you read Kane Chronicles, Ra was kept in a “senior living” scenario in the underworld, this could be something similar. This way, his personalities can all be judged separately, and possibly come back to life.
Love the Kane Chronicles reference ❤️
As always Great job Doug. You're AWESOME !
My biggest question would be about explaining Layla's scene in this episode. It happens away from Steven/Marc so that would be her own experience and idk why Marc would imagine that whole thing.
For my fellow Lost fans. Think Libby explaining to Hurley why it's not all in his head.
I guess it depends. Are we seeing what is actually happening or are we seeing what Marc or Steven are imaging?
I am 99% sure that art on the board in the asylum is Kris Markovich art. He has a very specific style. He was a professional skateboarder before he became an artist. I hope we see more of his asthetic in future episodes.
Could anyone do "it was all a dream" in a way that is not a poorly received cliché?
Probably not. It's so disappointing after you have gotten invested in the story 😔
There was an BTAS episode where Bruce was dreaming, they did it pretty well. I’d have to watch it again to see how much they actually rug pulled, but I remember always enjoying that episode enough that I still recall it today.
Kubrick could have done it in 1973.
Spielberg could have done it in ‘81.
Raimi could have done it in ‘98.
But otherwise no.
It's only the fourth fucking episode. He wasn't in a mental asylum since the start, especially since there's a god damned hippo goddess there. Jesus Christ.
One thing that keeps bothering me is that Ammit stone in the museum.
Why is there a big hole exactly where the heart should be?
What if what we are seeing is Harrow trapping Steven in his own mind? The life we presumed Marc had before we meet him could still be the same. The only difference is that Marc is now trapped in his mind after being caught by Harrow - perhaps on the night Layla’s father was killed.
It could have been Harrow who was his “partner” who then trapped him in this mindf**k.
I also don’t like the choice of words Harrow uses, or his tone. He keeps acting like everything is Marc’s fault. Perhaps because Marc refuses to give Harrow the thing he needs?
So I think the people we see are people from Marc’s life - Harrow has trapped him and now he’s looking to escape.
We still don’t know what made Steven come to the forefront again. Marc told us that he had Steven on lockdown - then something happened.
I think the thing that happened was the shooting of Layla’s father. He’s been trapped in his mind by Harrow since then.
Perhaps Jake is the one personality who knows what is happening, but he has to remain hidden from Marc & Steven because Harrow will control him as well?
dude, no joke, watching this felt like a flat earth video
the ponts you make made perfect sense, it feels plausible, and the evidence you presented can be legitimately interpreted this way. but it cant be true.
I think Mark is the main personality here. Not Steven. Mark is the one who let out Steven. If Steven were the main protagonist, we would've seen him letting out Mark.
Thanks captain obvious
The vintage VHS 'Tomb Buster' movie and the action figure seem to suggest the idea that Mark has been institutionalized since he was a boy (as noted in one of the comic runs). The VHS movie is set in South America so how would Steven gain an 'expert' level in Egyptology if he grew up in an asylum? Even if the Egyptian books/resources were in the asylum, his constant sedated state wouldn't afford him the means for independent study. I would think his imaginary world would have been based in South America (like the movie) and not Egypt. I believe it's Khonshu that is manipulating Steven/Marc's fractured mind and, since he only has access to bits and pieces of Steven/Marc's memories the asylum that Khonshu has created is a hodge-podge of both of their experiences. Khonshu is using this fake asylum to 'repair' Steven/Marc's mind enough so he can continue to function as his avatar. I think the Tawarek goddess will provide some kind of healing/understanding to Steven/Marc, enough to free Khonshu from his imprisonment and allow him to become Moon Knight again.
So how would Mark have an hallucination or whatever about Layla and the woman who made the passport if he wasnt there???
Where are the double thumbs up on Disney like NETFLIX because this series definitely deserves it!!! 👏 😅👌
Not only would "everything you've seen so far is just a dream OHHHHHH" be the cheapest cop out ever, it would also be horribly insulting to the mental health community and would question what that mental health consultant was doing there. Like they had one job and they let that slide, can Disney get the money back somehow? The far more likely answer is everything we have seen is "real" or at least how it was perceived at the time by the characters. The jackal wasn't in the security tapes, the show just magicked the thing in there with CGI and taking something out of footage is way easier. The globe spanning cult has highly trained mercenaries in every country, just can't quite handle Adobe. The trial scene telegraphs their intentions with the ad hominem attacks based on mental illness being used by the villain. They want to show assuming the perspective of someone is illusionary because they have mental illness is what evil people do. The psych ward is on another plane for those crossing over and the extra Isaacs are how they are going to explore the question of souls and what makes a person a person, not how mentally ill people see the world.
But if it did turn out to be "a dream all along", why would it be a cheap cop out? That would make sense if it's attempting to backsolve for logical fallacies, but if said fallacies are actually put in place to justify everything being a dream, isn't that actually expensive? And not a cop out, since that was the goal, meaning revealing it as real would actually be a cop out?
@@nicolaashamman6201 It would be like the ending of "The Village". Yea he left some anachronistic clues, but really it was just a twist to say "Gotcha". The concept of unreliable narrators has been trod to death most notably in "Fight Club" which is the inspiration for most of the series. To steal their major theme on top of everything else isn't homage, it's theft. Far better to honor that movie is to explore the ideas it touched on but didn't follow through with, like what makes a personality a person and which one is real. The one that lives it's life, or the one that happens to have a history agreed upon by society.
Don’t worry, there’s a Moon Knight TV spot showing Moon Knight and Harrow running towards each other on a pyramid so it’s all been real. Honestly clueless how people think the show was all a dream
@@opsports50 How come it all being real wouldn't also be theft? A lot more movies and shows have done that, taking the idea of their story being real (in a self-contained sense since it's fiction). Have those movies/shows all not been stealing from each other too?
Also I still don't see how that makes it a cop out, outside of it not being what you thought it was, but that's only a cop out if you think it's required to be real. So if a viewer think it has to be a dream, then by such logic having it be real would be a cop out to them.
@@nicolaashamman6201 All fictional things treat their stories as real. That's not stealing that's narrative structure.
I really appreciate the effort and research you put into these videos!
If the story was told purely from the perspective of Marc/Steven, then I could get with this theory. But we see a bunch of things Marc/Steven would have no knowledge of.
Also, narratively, this would be a terrible decision. You would essentially make Moon Knight an unusable character and inadvertently make viewers feel like they wasted their time.
Facts
Unless all stuff happen in another universe in the Multiverse and this variant of Marc/Steven is getting the variant's memories driving him crazy into a mental Hospital.
Bam what a twist.
@@theinsurance2450 so yes. There are ways in to make the series work, but even using your scenario...that still makes the whole series a waste of time si the average viewer would have a poor taste in their mouth when they think of Moon Knight in any other movie they use him in.
@@doc_s1krr751 It not waste because the variant receiving the memories is the one from the other universe. We are seeing his point of view from his universe.Think about it. This whole time watching this show, they never once reference anything else from the MCU. It because the story is not base in the main MCU but another universe. In other words the memories Marc is receiving is from a Marc from the MCU. While we are watching the point of view of a Marc in this other universe. This show comes out and is completed before the Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness movie comes out for a reason.
I will admit that as unlikely as this theory may seem, which is to say I personally don't believe in it at all, there is one point that I've noticed that may reinforce this theory. Namely the infamous bad Mandarin scene in ep2. I'm Chinese, and I sure as heck could not tell that they were trying to speak in Mandarin when I first watched that scene. Now, here's my theory. What if the reason it sounded like gibberish was because Marc doesn't know Mandarin in reality? I've had dreams where I was speaking in Japanese, and I know that I was speaking fluently in my dreams. But in reality, I can't speak a word of it. When I try to recall what I was saying in my dreams, I believe it to be gibberish, even though I know exactly what I was trying to convey.
"It's impossible for Khonshu to move the moon to cause a solar eclipse." Yeah, just like it's impossible for Thor to control thunder and lightning.
And he didn't turn back time 2000 years either, he keeps saying this in his videos and everyone disagrees with it, idk why he keeps making that point when it's clearly not true
@@robcoats1819 Yep. Agreed
i uhhh man like ..
whoa 🤯
feels like i havn't even been paying attention to the show now
so keen for next episode now!
The first 4 episodes have to be real because there are scenes that we've seen that Marc isn't apart of. If it was all an illusion those scenes wouldn't happen because he's not there.
Boom… story telling logic!
It could be like in the comics where both the asylum and the movie set are in his head. Just different levels of delusion.
They did leave something to let us know that it's not all in his head.
The people he fought on the roof top are not in the mental institution. So who are they? Where did they come from? The brain cannot create a new face in dreams, any face you see in a dream, is someone you've met in life.
I like this logically, but it’s the MCU man I think that one fact of reality isn’t going to be the first one to make sense finally 😂
the brain cannot create a new face in dreams? where the hell do you get that from? stop your bullshit. ever been to an unknown location in a dream? or are all of your dreams just recordings of waking life.
so tired of internet idiots pretending to play expert
you know what? you show me a study where theyve even thought of how to test that and I'll concede. cause you wouldnt even be able to do it in an fmri looking at the activity in the fusiform face area because it would be active in the construction of a new face anyways!
you'd have to be able to visually reconstruct dreams! Theyve been working on that tech for decades and they are still decades away from it being reliable enough to be used in a study as delicate as recreating facial details from brain activity!
AND THEN you'd have to have a log of every person someone has ever seen in their life!
your turn, smartass. or have you decided to stop lying to people?
I never thought that Konshu was using magic. He's just using his powers.
Unlikely considering in the real world we follow other characters completely divorced from whatever is going on with Marc but in the hospital scenes we are see everything from the pov of Marc
I have the feeling it might be like in the comics and the asylum is a work of Khonshu.
I am intrigued by the drawing with the eyes and their placement. One eye ( of Horus, Khonshu) above four other ones (Marc, Steven, Moon Knight and Mr. Knight)
This gets messy because we see people Marc/Steven don’t know and haven’t seen (the passport lady) in the hospital scene. That means the hospital can’t be just an amalgamation of things he’s experienced. But if the hospital is reality and everything else is imagination or hallucination, how would we ever see anything outside of Marc’s experience (the passport scene)? Something else has to be happening here.
So are we ignoring the fact that he could easily make up those scenes?
I don’t even think The presenter thinks this was all in his head lolol this was a work. I see you keeping the bizz going
My first inkling of this was how cartoonishly and consistently awful his boss was being from their first scene, combined with the guard's equally extra dismissiveness. A community theater hack might write dialogue that...pointy, but most everything else going on around those scenes clearly demonstrates relatively deft screenwriting. I strongly suspect the truth will be somewhere in the middle; parts of what came before were real and parts were visualized through his warped/cracked mental lens, and while some of the missing time will be filled in and a few incongruities ironed out, they will probably leave some of it interpretive.
At first I thought the blue face on the tomb of Alexandra was Rama Tut, Kang. The janitor's brooms have different color bristles.
The underworld theory sounds way more intriguing. The everything is imagined is way overuse and cliché. Hope they don't go that way.
That’s a great breakdown, Ryan.
I don't think the whole show is in his head. I think he's currently in the state of limbo between life and the du'at, and Taweret is possibly trying to help him get out, or Harrow is trying to fully form Marc so his soul can be judged and fed to Ammit
I like this theory the most. 👏🏾👍🏾
If they have left us with the scene of asylum, then it would have pretty sure that the asylum is the reality but when steve comes out of sarcophagus and that hippo appeared it was pretty evident that whatever we have seen in previous episodes are real and this is not.
This show is good. Can’t wait to see finale… I don’t think it will be any cameos for finale either
I think the 3rd personality is in charge right now and has the other 2 (and another random 4th) locked up in the mind. That’s why Steven and mark can interact.
As much as I love the theories I'm too much into writing to know that this is just thrown in for shock value and confusion just to hype up the next episode and plus marvel will be at loss if they made moonknight a delusion hence hindering future opportunities to include him in movies
Also when mark was in the mental asylum and meet Steven, on left side of mark on the walls we can see the reflection of mark on tiles.. but there was no reflection of Steven on the walls indicating that mark was hallucinating Steven 🤯
I think its interesting that when Harrow in the tomb says "I can't save you, if you don't save yourself" and then in the hospital he says "I can't help you, if you don't help yourself" they add the same reverb to his voice - I think thats significant somehow
I always like to watch SC right before a workout. Nothing like some good stretches.
I think is a test, some Egyptian type of limbo to weight his deeds, and that’s why all the areas of his life are represented there.
Also, the whole scenes gave me a 12 Monkeys vibe.
If you have watched Mr. Robot before, they had nearly an entire arch about Elliot in the outside world helping stop a blackmarket trading of little kids etc. Just to show all of this happened within the walls of prison. This gives me the same type of vibes and intrigued on how they finish the final two episodes.
Mr. Robot is such a good show. Good to see it getting mentioned a lot lately.
If this video is true I'd be upset. Even though I can't imagine how much work it takes to detailed things like this its pretty impressive. Just not the story I was looking for.
It's not in his head... BUT, that would be AMAZING if it was! On the final episode he breaks out and the Konshu armor wraps around him! Like, he's Moon Knight- but what a mind fuck! Then when the other heroes encounter him it would be so amazing! Like, they met Mr Night and we all know that's Stephen or he's brutal and barely talks- that's Jake! But the other heroes all have VERY different meetings with him. "No, he wears a suit- like a business suit!"
Actually if it was all a hallucination it would be disappointing for many viewers including me...We have been excited for every episode and then knowing that everything was just in his head and that the actual show was just 2 episodes is absurd...But we trust Marvel...Everything they do has a purpose and plan...excited for next ep
Then you won’t like inception
I cannot wait to see what the explanation is I’m teeming with anticipation for episode 5
There are basically two tropes that always end up happening whenever a movie or show mixes mental illness with the supernatural. One, that the supernatural elements were never real and were manifestations of the mental illness. Two, that the mental illness wasn't real and was in fact a byproduct of the supernatural forces.
Both are insulting to actual mental illness and I hope this show avoids resorting to such tired cliches.
how is it insulting to imply that mentally ill people are delusional? that's the mental illness.
That's your opinion. I don't think it's insulting at all. Just simple storytelling. You get what you take from it 🤷🏾♂️
I agree with you about the tropes but I don’t think it’s disrespectful to real mental illnesses. In real life, people that are eccentric or different are often gaslighted into believing they’re crazy.
It doesn't really feel like either of those will be the outcome since magic has been established in the mcu (I could be wrong though). so it could be he's dealing with both mental health issues and magic, which would explain why the show is so chaotic, because it would be absolute chaos for Mark to be dealing with his mental health and magic/gods at the same time. it would be an endless nightmare for him to differentiate between what is real and what is not, with magic seriously blurring the lines in the progress, while trying to deal with everything going on around him. We see similar things in wandavision, where wanda is going through a mental health crisis and her powers are making it worse.
@@britneymcilmoyl7043 this is what I'm hoping for, too, and I think they're smart enough to pull it off
I feel like Khonshu moving the moon and sky are just illusions projected to the POV of people on Earth. But some interesting questions I have is how do the Egyptian Gods tie into the wider MCU. Are the Egyptian Gods just aliens? How does it tie into the Eternals, Celestials and other Godly beings? Are they only known by humans? Would be a good video idea to clear all of it up! Great vid btw love your content :)
the woman who drew khonshu isn't the forger
I wonder if he was only shot to death once - by his partner - and everything in between then and him being shot a second time were a test by Khonsu carried out by Ammit, like an underworld recruitment program for avatars. Him being shot in the test (during end of episode 4) was him failing, like the low point in a hero’s journey, and he’ll return (as in rebirth, aided by Taweret) stronger than ever to finally pass the test (“free Khonsu”) to finally earn the title of Moonknight.
So essentially it wasn’t all a dream and instead was a test that occurred right when he was shot to death the first time.
This crossed my mind until he found Steven where I started to think this was in Marc's head. I actually won't be surprised that Marc has been in a mental institution and that this might be a repeat test that Harrow is doing and that the events took place just having gotten more outlandish with every repeat.
But then, Layla's star chart was working, so, likely she had internet access so they could have done that without Khonshu's help. Yes, she couldn't hear him, but she also was out of character not questioning everything.
Well, now I gotta watch "Shark Boy and Lava Girl," don't I?
Check out the action figures online. They are still pre-order only but I think it has something to do with the show still not being over yet. The Mr. NICE figure has another metal looking arm. Ryan will you look into this? Is there some weapon we haven't seen yet for Mr. NICE?
It’s the ultron build a figure arm
it's the build a figure part for Infinity Ultron
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The analysis of the show is way more interesting than the show itself!
Can't even think about the real or fake fact that this isn't real🚶🚶
WAKE UPPP!!!!!!L😴
Wow, that's an interesting theory. Now i wanna go back and watch the 4 episodes all over again. I'm gonna try to spot all the elements you pointed out in your video. Thank you 👌🏼
Ryan you make some very good points in this video but I think it would make more sense (as well as make for a better story) if the asylum is the real hallucination and everything we've seen in the show is Marc's real life. I find that the uniformly white painted asylum gives off a very surreal vibe and not something that would likely portray a "real" plane of reality. Also, I think Marc's physical encounter with Steven ultimately shows that the asylum is all in Marc's head rather than being the main MCU realm just because someone who has DID would never get this opportunity in real life.
How many times does the community have to tell u youtubers khonshu isnt turning back time. He is simply projecting his memory of the night sky as a temporary visual in the actual sky
I struggled to decide whether I'd like it if it turns out it was all in Marc's head. Turns out I would like it because then I'd get to watch the whole show again with fresh eyes. Also, how many clocks/time have we seen up until now? Apparently clocks/time doesn't translate well in dreams