Lets Talk About Tom King's Wonder Woman #1

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  • @egonnn244
    @egonnn244 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    19 dudes killed and the whole country loses its mind? This country has Gotham City in it and a gazillion of supervillains. 19 dead in a dive bar somewhere should be just another Thursday. By the way, the Wonder Woman I know would go after this woman with all her might. And of course that the villain is an old, rich, white guy. I'm sure it will be mentioned later that he's straight too, so there wouldn't be any doubts 🙄
    If I were ever to find a genie in a bottle, my first wish would be for Tom King to never write mainstream comics ever again. I think that would be one of the most altruistic actions ever taken.

  • @thehumancomet
    @thehumancomet ปีที่แล้ว +150

    Good old Tom. After disrespecting iconic male characters, its now time for him to destroy Diana’s legacy as well.

    • @InfamyOrDeath-__-
      @InfamyOrDeath-__- ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It’s just shocking how he continues to get the biggest characters, DC just doesn’t make sense to me.

    • @lykos2738
      @lykos2738 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      ​@@InfamyOrDeath-__-He loves milking the whole "I was in the CIA" thing. It worked on me when he first wrote Batman. I thought that was going to be the coolest thing ever, a former CIA agent writing Batman. Then he turned Catwoman into Batman's mommy wife, had Bruce punch Damian (his own teenage son) in the face and killed Alfred. Tom King's entire Batman run was just one giant bitch slap.

    • @caesar0frome950
      @caesar0frome950 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      He destroyed ice from JLI far from the most iconic character I know but to act like women have been completely safe from king’s “deconstruction” is false

    • @Mi-Jung_Kim-tq2bl
      @Mi-Jung_Kim-tq2bl ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i read the issue 1 and nothing was wrong
      the story was interesting for the fast issue
      please tell me how did wonder woman legacy got ruin at this first issue?

    • @InfamyOrDeath-__-
      @InfamyOrDeath-__- ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mi-Jung_Kim-tq2bl Did you not listen to the video?

  • @forrfuun8470
    @forrfuun8470 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Its always hurts me when art in comic book is outstanding and story is bad.

    • @Mr_E_Nigma
      @Mr_E_Nigma ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It always hurts me when the art in the story is awful, but the story is anazing.

  • @GiovanniAlckmimRusso
    @GiovanniAlckmimRusso ปีที่แล้ว +120

    Tom King did say in an interview a couple of years ago, I think it was either during the first part of his run in Batman or during heroes in Crisis, that he uses his job as a writer as his therapy. And there lies the problem. Dude has a lot of issues and makes everyone messed up. Mr. Miracle, Batman, Heroes in Crisis, Strange Adventures, they all have this pattern and he is carrying it to Wonder Woman but will use "look how I'm a progressive guy" card to make people ignore his problematic writing.

    • @LibraGamesUnlimited
      @LibraGamesUnlimited ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It kind of sounds like he's using Sarge Steel as his stand-in (especially if he feels like he did bad things and feels bad about them) and that it should have been a Sarge Steel mini-series guest-starring Wonder Woman.

    • @kevinellis8017
      @kevinellis8017 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That same panel he "promised" he was going to make more positive comics. Oy vey!

    • @GiovanniAlckmimRusso
      @GiovanniAlckmimRusso ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@LibraGamesUnlimited or not writing at all hahaha. Dude should just get treatment and do something else

    • @GiovanniAlckmimRusso
      @GiovanniAlckmimRusso ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kevinellis8017 oh yeah, now I recall. Yeah, positive in bizarro world

    • @Wintersoldier73
      @Wintersoldier73 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Writing can be therapy, as long as the author isn't sinking the writing with personal issues, agenda & politics.

  • @Dhampir101980
    @Dhampir101980 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I read the first issue and it was rough… I get the refugee/ illegal alien, allegory that Tom King is using for the Amazons, but the execution was completely flawed.
    all the men in this issue come across as completely misogynistic, except for Steve Trevor. The tone of the writing feels like an incel teenager complaining on a Reddit forum.
    There’s no subtlety or nuance at all. It’s just more tearing down one gender to empower another. I hope it gets better, but it sounds like Tom King hasn’t learned that he’s “Kenough” yet.

    • @davids2427
      @davids2427 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      W0rD 💥 an a half !

    • @LibraGamesUnlimited
      @LibraGamesUnlimited ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's what happens when you write around an agenda rather than the other way around.

  • @krisj827
    @krisj827 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Isn't Cheetah or Ares Wonder Woman's top villians. I know these writers want to create new characters but Tom King on Wonder Woman is going to start out ok and then becomes dumpster fire the longer he writes on the book.

    • @talmiz101
      @talmiz101 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      one could say that its a Trinity Of Joker Level villains in Circe, Ares and Cheetah, from my view.

    • @richardajayi3194
      @richardajayi3194 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ares is the only notable villain in WW rogues gallery the rest are trash.

  • @MaverickhunterXZero
    @MaverickhunterXZero ปีที่แล้ว +34

    The ones who virtue signal the loudest are usually have the darkest skeletons.
    Tom King have used comics as his personal therapist and mommy wife for years.
    I recall people hating a comic that made Wonder Woman hate men, but now it's okay because reasons. The age of Wonder Wahman.

  • @dylanlindsay6794
    @dylanlindsay6794 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's annoying but I can't really get mad at him for disregarding continuity. I can get mad at him for disregarding characterization, and just nonsense storytelling. I can't get mad at him for disregarding continuity, because I know if I was a writer at DC I would disregard everything he writes. It would be like his stories never happened.
    Also can we take a moment to talk about how stupid The Sovereign looks? I don't know what time King was thinking, but he honestly looks like a parody character. Not menacing in the slightest.

  • @miltonfarmer1139
    @miltonfarmer1139 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So it’s basically Wonder Woman’s Amazon’s are being hunted like the mutants in the X-Men. Pass

  • @johnnycage112
    @johnnycage112 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    First and I don't think this will be a good run.

  • @davidgantenbein9362
    @davidgantenbein9362 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Is it me or is that Monarch of America just a boring version of General Immortus?

  • @StratumPress
    @StratumPress ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I can't wait for these characters to go into the public domain.

    • @strykrpinoy
      @strykrpinoy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As long as their are actively being monetized your going to keep waiting sadly.

    • @StratumPress
      @StratumPress ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope. Superman goes into public domain in 2034. 96 years after his first appearance.@@strykrpinoy

  • @1SpicyMeataball
    @1SpicyMeataball ปีที่แล้ว +8

    15:48 At this point. Just let Tom Ween write political cartoons for the Times and maybe it will cure his emotional constipation and spare us comic readers.

  • @williamjackson6705
    @williamjackson6705 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just another example of a lack of editorial guidance. Jim Lee is resting on his laurels while the entire DC line goes to Hell. If those in charge don't hand the reins over to competent writers & editors DC is doomed. A complete rebooting is the only way they can save it.

  • @billybarnett2846
    @billybarnett2846 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    His editor must be lazy or something because I would have made him fill in the holes of his plot that bring up questions. Why are the Amazons living in the U.S.? Why are they wearing the same outfit as WW? They did this Amazon war thing twice already. Come up with something new for us old guys that have been collecting for forever. Why did they use Doom Patrol villain Immortus?

  • @TimBryan-tt2ty
    @TimBryan-tt2ty ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Well, it's Tom King, if you see his name on a book treat it like it causes testicular cancer.

  • @jackhowe6
    @jackhowe6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Tom King wants to break down the male characters into unheroic depressives, i.e. himself. Perhaps he's breaking down Wonder Woman into the women close to him. Which seems to be a woman thats not there.
    And btw, since Themyscara is paradise, but also Bronze Age Greece, the Amazons might be visiting other nations for indoor plumbing. 😂

    • @christiansage15
      @christiansage15 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly it's the first issue how do you know there is going to be no Wonder Woman in this entire series

  • @RollingDodge
    @RollingDodge ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I don't think Tom King is the right writer for Wonder Woman. I don't know who is, I don't know if DC even knows.

    • @ChrisSuperDude
      @ChrisSuperDude ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Honestly they should’ve had her take a 5 year hiatus after Dark Knights Death Metal. DC doesn’t know how to use her so it would be best to put her on the back burner for a while.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz ปีที่แล้ว +3

      DC never had a true idea how to write Wonder Woman character since William Moulton Marston death in the 40's.Perez was the most close in to succeed and even your take in Diane just don't stick for many years too.

    • @RollingDodge
      @RollingDodge ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EvandroACruz , it seems that it's not just WW they don't get, it's other characters as well, like Catwoman. What's sad is I don't even know that much about the characters, but I think that Tom King, more writers should make an approaches like Robert Venditti doing Hawkman. Who read and learned as much as he could about Hawkman. Do we think that Tom and other bad writers had done that. I doubt it, or I would be surprised if they did. And I mean get to really know the history of WW, and learn about William Moulton Marston and try to keep an open mind and ignore the hearsay.
      But look they couldn't even get characters right like Wonder Woman's fam., Fire, Ice, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Hawkgirl, Supergirl, Power Girl, Green Lantern (Alan Scott), Young Justice, etc. It would be a long list if I named all the characters that DC screwed up. And this is only DC, Marvel's probably just as bad if not worst. I'm just a casual that follow, (I have been more into eastern entertainment). I can't imagine how painful it is for *real* fans that know and love these characters far better and longer than me having to go through this.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RollingDodge Yes,Marvel is worst just look to the X-Men today.

  • @hedleylamarr1750
    @hedleylamarr1750 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You should make a video discussing why the Joker is such an impactful character. I'd like to see that.

  • @totomen666
    @totomen666 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Most boring WW book EvEr, bad anatomy of Diana body, yet another misogynist villain The King of America, "Joker" level villain ... ffs DC so woke that they can't understand how to make interesting villain with INTERESTING story without playing a victim to patriarchy and RRRacismus.
    And it felt like Frank The Punisher in body of Wonder Woman, 0% femininity and possible biological male.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz ปีที่แล้ว

      Mike Deodato drew the hottest Wonder Woman in the 90's.

  • @alexkogan9755
    @alexkogan9755 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The last time Wonder Woman got attached to anything close to talking about 9/11 it was Amazon’s Attack. And Wondy got sidelined in that trash fire too. (Edit: you mention Amazon’s Attack later in the video)

    • @treymykel
      @treymykel ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And guess what we going to get Amazon's attack part two because I've been upcoming panels that's been drawn so you know it's going to tie in to this event

    • @alexkogan9755
      @alexkogan9755 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@treymykelI look forward to not reading it. It was a bad idea then, it’s a stupid idea now.

    • @ChrisSuperDude
      @ChrisSuperDude ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was that the Greg Rucka book where the Amazons take George Bush hostage?

    • @alexkogan9755
      @alexkogan9755 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ChrisSuperDude Amazon’s Attack was actually written by Will Pfeifer and pencilled by Pete Woods. Although if I remember correctly yes that did happen. Amazons also went slaughtering civilians indiscriminately (including kids) and not one of them questioned that Hippolyta was being blatantly uncharacteristically evil and the ones that did suspect something, like Wonder Woman, just stood around and did nothing (Hippolyta was Granny Goodness the whole time).

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amazon Attack ruined the amazons reputation as peacemakers.It's sad that shit event is canon again.

  • @phaeded0ut
    @phaeded0ut ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So, how are the various groups, “rounding up” said Amazons? Where are the Justice League and the other capes and cowls?
    This could be an interesting Image Comics short run/single graphic novel, but Tom King is most definitely not Alan Moore. Sadly this was quite lazy writing and research, and yet again another horrible story to further sink the “Wonder Woman” titles.
    On a happier note the Warren Ellis titles on Image Comics are very much still quite available.

  • @KardboardKenny
    @KardboardKenny ปีที่แล้ว +23

    should we just call him, tom queen?

  • @Leadeshipcoach
    @Leadeshipcoach ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The Lasso...of...Lies?!!!! The Lasso of Lies?!!!
    Whyyyyyyyyyyyy?
    I knew this was going to be bad...I knew it.
    And I asked the same question as you Wes "Why are Amazons living in America?" Oy!

    • @bluecollie55_movies25
      @bluecollie55_movies25 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, what good intelligent use could a villian have with a lasso of lies???? You wrap it around someone and it would make them lie??? Wonder Woman has the Lasso of Truth so she can deep interrogate someone like a criminal without the need of being scary or threatening like Batman.

  • @vincentflannigan2727
    @vincentflannigan2727 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Tom King has to be my most hated writer at the big two for their writing and not because of their personality/politics

  • @joshuaingobo1559
    @joshuaingobo1559 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The good things about this comic (aside from the artwork) are Sarge Steel doing something, Diana not surrendering to the military and doing her throwing the tiara thing from pre-Crisis as well as talking to Steve Trevor and resuming her identity as Diana Prince, and the appearance of the Sovereign.

  • @peterburman5193
    @peterburman5193 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tom King one of the few dudes I know with mommy AND daddy issues. Stop using our favorite characters for therapy Tom!

  • @JamesDavis-jd1oq
    @JamesDavis-jd1oq ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I just wish that DC would stop employing Tom King in all capacities.

    • @krisj827
      @krisj827 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Me too. I don't know what he has over the ppl that work there.

  • @timothymarkin4481
    @timothymarkin4481 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So Sarge Steel is now Sargent Steel, as in that’s his name (like Sargent Shriver)? Because if it’s still his rank (Sarge short for Sgt), it would be spelled Sergeant. Tom King would know that.

  • @Rasdock
    @Rasdock ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The worst part was Tom King renaming her homeland They/Themyscira.

    • @32FONickweiser
      @32FONickweiser ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Please tell me this is a joke

    • @Rasdock
      @Rasdock ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@32FONickweiserIt’s a joke.

    • @32FONickweiser
      @32FONickweiser ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Rasdock sadly it doesn't sound out of line in todays world.

  • @PrimalistOptimus
    @PrimalistOptimus ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Trash King never fails, except he is a failure.

  • @cheyennesmith3365
    @cheyennesmith3365 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I’m honestly surprised that DC hired a guy to write Wonder Woman and not… well a woman.

    • @thibaldus3
      @thibaldus3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tom King hates his own gender more than any woman could.

    • @dexterroberts631
      @dexterroberts631 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha

    • @APsychicMonkey
      @APsychicMonkey ปีที่แล้ว

      King's not a woman, but he's definitely a pussy.

    • @davids2427
      @davids2427 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Or at the very least a guy that identifies as a woman 😁

    • @Dhampir101980
      @Dhampir101980 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Because the previous writer was a woman and her run and event storyline was awful, which torpedoed sales. King Is a name that DC knows sells no matter what he’s writing, so from a business standpoint, I can’t blame them.

  • @jagnestormskull3178
    @jagnestormskull3178 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh no, it's _Amazons Attack_ again!

  • @ChillyCharizard006
    @ChillyCharizard006 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tom King is the Rian Johnson of DC.

  • @andrewbyrne2173
    @andrewbyrne2173 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    One day Wonder Woman will get the new good story she deserves. At least I hope she does. As soon as I knew Tom was going to be writing it, I knew today was not that day.

    • @theultimateartist4153
      @theultimateartist4153 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brian Azzarello is missed

    • @LibraGamesUnlimited
      @LibraGamesUnlimited ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@theultimateartist4153 I think you misspelled George Perez. :)

    • @LibraGamesUnlimited
      @LibraGamesUnlimited ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know why so many writers can't get her right.

    • @theultimateartist4153
      @theultimateartist4153 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LibraGamesUnlimited That stuff reads dated LOL Azzarello is the wonder woman GOAT

    • @LibraGamesUnlimited
      @LibraGamesUnlimited ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theultimateartist4153 If it wasn't for the ground work laid by Perez there wouldn't be anything for him to work with.
      He brought WW into the modern age.

  • @joshuaingobo1559
    @joshuaingobo1559 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    17:39 The Cloonrad run of Wonder Woman was initially interesting because of Diana meeting Norse gods until she decided to return to Earth to live her life, deal with forgotten Golden and Silver Age adventures (i.e. Milk Company for Golden Age and Image Maker for Silver Age), Trial of the Amazons and Revenge of the Gods being a thing, and ending with Diana in a sleep coma in the 800th issue and her waking up to continue to be active as a superhero. Also, her meeting Yara Flor twice and barely interacting with her family.

  • @DrDetfink
    @DrDetfink ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Amazons were depicted as isolationists. Weird having them live in the USA. What’s the reason? No answers. It’s a very jarring start but I’ll give it a five issue shot.

  • @maxmazzotti6651
    @maxmazzotti6651 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bring Marvel and DC into the public domain and reduce prices!

  • @Eyrrll
    @Eyrrll ปีที่แล้ว +23

    To be fair, I doubt that he sees this villain as a Trump substitute because cleverly, quietly working behind the scenes is the exact opposite of what Trump does… he probably sees this villain as the force behind someone like Trump however.

    • @sarov7658
      @sarov7658 ปีที่แล้ว

      I dont know the force unless you mean his supporters

    • @Eyrrll
      @Eyrrll ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sarov7658 It would be no one that we know of (if they even existed), which is kind of the point with a behind the scenes, master manipulator. The point is that, if this character is going to take that role, it would be a poor satire of Trump… because he is anything but “behind the scenes” and he is not even that good as a manipulator.
      Note: There are a lot of “ifs” in all of that, because we still don’t know where King is actually going with the story or the character. That said, King can be pretty predictable.

  • @tyrannicaltypomichaeltester
    @tyrannicaltypomichaeltester ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This book is incredibly accurate on the racism/sexism mentality Of American magas ...
    AND ENTIRELY not a wonder woman comic at the same time....
    Maybe DC can give him a solo series about murica and leave Diana out of it
    OFF topic Id like to know what you think of the new Thor series

  • @LigerFan
    @LigerFan ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Tom King reminds me of Brad Meltzer’s run in DC Comics. He doesn’t really know as much as he thinks about the DCU but that’s okay, no one will correct him. I really wish he’d go and ruin his own characters.

    • @cicolasnage5684
      @cicolasnage5684 ปีที่แล้ว

      Idk I thought his Green Arrow. Run after Kevin Smiths was pretty good, his Justice League of America run was fun.
      Identity crisis is not as bad as it gets hate for. It was… extreme to say the least but the scene where Deathstroke systematically takes out the justice league was pretty cool.
      That’s just me though.

    • @LigerFan
      @LigerFan ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cicolasnage5684 I didn’t like The Archer’s Quest. Hated Identity Crisis. Hated his JLA run. Hated his part of The Lightning Saga. Hated him portraying himself as a bastion of Silver Age knowledge when he got so much wrong that wasn’t caught by editors like Firestorm being killed like Captain Atom and thinking Red Tornado and Wildfire had any link to each other whatsoever.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cicolasnage5684 Identity Crisis is pure dogshit take all the DCU in a darkest place until the N52 rebbot.

  • @Yoyod000
    @Yoyod000 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can we do reviews of indie comics??? Please. ???? We know Marvel and DC suck.

  • @wileyjdraws7594
    @wileyjdraws7594 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    WW looks horrendous on that cover

  • @InfamyOrDeath-__-
    @InfamyOrDeath-__- ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just don’t understand how he continues to get comics, and the most bizarre thing is that he has fans. Who are these people, how do they like such drivel?

  • @Dark_Vengeance
    @Dark_Vengeance ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Starting to feel like Tom may have pooped in your cheerios once

  • @couldnotbereachedforfurthe2647
    @couldnotbereachedforfurthe2647 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Comics and the wider genre is an industry Tom King needs to vacate. Moreover, everything he's done needs to be swept under the rug and forgotten.

  • @kalkella8822
    @kalkella8822 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So, we all have to suffer because Tom King probably waterboarded some poor Iraqi all while exposing him to Enter Sandman over and over again during the war. It all makes sense now.

  • @madbug1965
    @madbug1965 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Meh, Marvel has been doing this for years. Captain Britain got replaced by a woman. Moon Girl and Riri Williams are smartest characters in the Marvel Universe. Tearing down men is being done by both companies.

  • @ellesse3862
    @ellesse3862 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Is it meant to be a reflection of his baggage, 911, homophobia, a recycled Jodie Foster movie? Wish DC had picked a different writer, nice art, lovely colouring, great Artgerm variant, a good writer would be nice too, someone that actually has a love and knowledge of Wonder Woman. By the time its over, this might take John Byrne's tiara for the worst writen WW run of the modern era.

  • @SamGuthrie1977
    @SamGuthrie1977 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wes, I agree with your critique of this comic book, and Tom King's writing, in general.
    However, all of the complaints you levy against King's writing - his ignoring of canon, continuity, and characterization in lieu of telling whatever story he wants - could be applied to Hickman too.

    • @jagnestormskull3178
      @jagnestormskull3178 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      These complaints could be applied to a number of writers TBH, but if they write a great story like House/Powers, most people won't care. Plus X-Men comics had just experienced the "lost decade," meaning that revitalization was necessary.

    • @darthmeow1370
      @darthmeow1370 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hackman --umm, I mean Hickman is overrated as hell too.

  • @joshuaingobo1559
    @joshuaingobo1559 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9:44 Looks like Diana and the Amazons are going to have a Judgement Day because of AXE.

  • @krisj827
    @krisj827 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I do like the art but thats about it.

  • @dennisarkell8305
    @dennisarkell8305 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    If I remember correctly after the Amazons Attack storyline, Hippolyta's Amazons were told by Athena (Granny Goodness in disguise) that their punishment for attacking the United States was to go live in Man's World without any memories of Themyscira. Some Amazons probably left the island, married men and had children. Granny/ Athena probably used the Mother Box on them suppressing their memories. I wonder how many Amazons returned to the island when their memories came back. It is not reasonable to say they all did. I bet some probably stayed in the U.S. with their families. ]

    • @LibraGamesUnlimited
      @LibraGamesUnlimited ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've really only read the Perez run all the way through but when he was in charge it didn't seem there were a lot of Amazons in total.
      300 seems kind of high. :)

    • @LunaticReason
      @LunaticReason ปีที่แล้ว

      That actually sounds interesting was that a Tom King storyline? I think Amazonian, Antlantean, Thanagarian society/culture and their relation to humans doesnt get fleshed out enough.

    • @LibraGamesUnlimited
      @LibraGamesUnlimited ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LunaticReason From what I heard it wasn't a good as it sounds. I didn't read it though.

    • @dennisarkell8305
      @dennisarkell8305 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LunaticReason it is a storyline from 2007 by Will Pfeifer. With tie ins in Teen Titans, Catwoman and Supergirl. At the time, people hated the storyline. I thought it tried new things but some things fell flat.

  • @sebastianhoward3304
    @sebastianhoward3304 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tom king is an ex CIA guy so I wouldn't be surprised if he did some bad crap

    • @sebastianhoward3304
      @sebastianhoward3304 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He probably tortured some Muslims, abu grabid camps didn't make us look good.

    • @kabukikommandofourthworld5266
      @kabukikommandofourthworld5266 ปีที่แล้ว

      The so-called "intelligence" agencies have been running the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia from day one, with the aid of Mossad and other nefarious organizations in order to reach the same ends. It's also been speculated that the President himself answers to the Intelligence agencies and not the other way around. This country was hijacked from the American people decades ago now.
      👺✨🗡👺

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I suspected this was going to happen from the very beginning.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tom King told in a interview that the main issue with WW character it's that she's always was so perfect and now will undone this.This declaration just give us a good idea where King intend to take the character.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@EvandroACruz that's true and you're right about that.

  • @DarthDread-oh2ne
    @DarthDread-oh2ne ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I never like Tom King.

  • @fortcastellan1730
    @fortcastellan1730 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Every now and then I start to wonder is I'm being unreasonable with my stance of not reading any new Marvel or DC comics. Then videos like this come out and give me renewed reason not to care about these characters that merely share the same name as the characters I used to read about...

  • @ericfaz1427
    @ericfaz1427 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Looks more like General Immortus to me.

  • @cogekacc
    @cogekacc ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ya Boi Zack needs to review this one

  • @jasonirizarry9619
    @jasonirizarry9619 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for paying and reading this book and freeing the rest of us from wasting dough in this current depression.

  • @obinnaezelibe3553
    @obinnaezelibe3553 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice video, thanks

  • @jessnalulila5552
    @jessnalulila5552 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is anyone surprised that this history turn out to be dumb?

  • @waelse1
    @waelse1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Reading Tom King so we don't have to. Wonder Woman deserves a better class of writers.

  • @iunctaest
    @iunctaest ปีที่แล้ว +8

    My biggest problem with TK's writing is that he just cannot write a linear story. Jumping around and quick cuts are not elements of quality storytelling, they are overused tropes that try to provide cover on poor storytelling.

    • @iunctaest
      @iunctaest ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Reading one of his comics is like listening to a 7 year old tell a story.

  • @t2000-g7v
    @t2000-g7v ปีที่แล้ว

    Where does somebody get the information on how which new books are selling? The official sales numbers?

  • @RichWards-Wins
    @RichWards-Wins ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:09 continuity of "Uterus" ?
    Waiting for the day where Disease Comics has a full trans-gendered justice league. And diana was actually born a male who transitioned into an amazon princess.

  • @ChapMeifan
    @ChapMeifan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The big problem with writers like this who pander to the woke narrative of 'all men bad' is that those messages, drip by tainted drip, erode into the minds of people who can't rationalize that this is fantasy and not reality. The message of men being hateful and inherently bad is so overused that young boys are in crisis believing that they are bad people just because of the gender they were born into. Girls have essentially taken over all franchises with Star Wars being about Ahsoka and Sabine and Rey now and Star Trek being about every force-fed female character that Kurtzman can shoehorn in. Marvel is a girls club. Lord of the Rings is now the Galadriel show. It's hard for young boys to find role models in this landscape and when they do try to join in the current crop of books or movies they are treated like trash or worse. Wonder Woman used to be a great role model for everyone. Every hero and heroine had something special that people wanted to emulate and, by default, make them better people. I'm tired of these angry writers who make everything dark and sour. The world deserves better.

  • @Zeromegas
    @Zeromegas ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is Amazons Atrack 2.0. Thanks Tom King, at least Linkara can't attack because he is on side

  • @milestrombley1466
    @milestrombley1466 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is why DC needs to stop hiring writers who write comic books as therapy sessions. Nobody wants to read stories related to their problems. 😑

  • @anthonyhorton7839
    @anthonyhorton7839 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok to speak the plan truth. I really hate Tom King. I try to avoid anything he writes.

  • @sovereigndayyouthkafir3943
    @sovereigndayyouthkafir3943 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Stories like this don't deserve to look as spectacular as the artists rendered this issue. I'm reminded of Alan Heinberg's run illustrated by Terry and Rachel Dodson--horrible story; amazing artwork.

  • @meamwayne2070
    @meamwayne2070 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is this "Sovereign" guy really a new villain at all? Because he sure looks like the Golden Age Duke of Deception, and a "lasso of lies" fits right in with that. He does say that Sovereign is "merely one of" his titles, but then there's the bit about his hereditary lineage, so I don't know. Tom does love reintroducing old villains. Maybe he plotted it as a Duke of Deception story and had to change it when other writers revived a different version of the character last year.

  • @willstrong1979
    @willstrong1979 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hahaha. Why dc comics? Why can't Wonder woman just fight Ares, Medusa or Circe, find the golden fleece or go on a adventure with atlantians or with Greek demigods? Why can superhero books be fun? It's action and adventure not political essay 😱

    • @bluecollie55_movies25
      @bluecollie55_movies25 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed. I would have written a much better a much better superhero story than Tom King or any of these DEI/SJW nutters. In fact anyone can, even little kids playing with their dolls and action figures could act out better superhero stories them them.

    • @willstrong1979
      @willstrong1979 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bluecollie55_movies25 It's so sad but true. These creators don't believe in fun. We just want to escape the dreary world we live in for a least a moment. I guess it's too much to ask. Well, I can always go back a read good back issues.

  • @GeekHero_Bubba
    @GeekHero_Bubba ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tom King has no redeeming factors anymore. He went from meh to lousy to terrible.

  • @rockytheblackdragon
    @rockytheblackdragon ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Tom King is sick

  • @Jheat75
    @Jheat75 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Outside of the Bree, Sarah, we got in the wonder woman 800 back up story. This is just gonna be set up for Amazons attack! Which is a terrible name, referencing an even worse storyline and I could go on a bloody tangent but I’ll be in this comment section all day Lol

  • @brucetjetrick9728
    @brucetjetrick9728 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is probably part of Tom King’s therapy.

  • @jgiudici6
    @jgiudici6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The league not being involved it ridiculous why wouldn’t Diana reach out to Batman ? Who would definitely be watching what’s happening, or Superman ? Who the people love and would absolutely help her out

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No just the League but all super-hero community must stand in Wonder Woman side against this law.This not like Marvel where mutants are hunted down and the heroes not even know about this.

    • @Mi-Jung_Kim-tq2bl
      @Mi-Jung_Kim-tq2bl ปีที่แล้ว

      why should she go to batman what will he do and what will achieve by going at him other than bs because Batman is bs

    • @jgiudici6
      @jgiudici6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Mi-Jung_Kim-tq2bl because it’s been established that batman keeps tabs on what super heroes and villains do. If an Amazon is accused of killing several men to the point where they are being kicked out of the US don’t you think he’d be involved ? Since Wonder Woman is a close friend of his. plus he’d have the resources to help Diana find the person responsible so a bunch of amazons didn’t need to pointlessly die ?

    • @Mi-Jung_Kim-tq2bl
      @Mi-Jung_Kim-tq2bl ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jgiudici6 Batman doesn't care
      he is trash too busy playing with his psycho buddies

  • @cogekacc
    @cogekacc ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It can't be worse than the last several years of wonder woman and secondary characters

  • @DamitTucker
    @DamitTucker ปีที่แล้ว +3

    13:58 so Steel can feel his metallic non-human hand?

  • @NoOne-rl2ol
    @NoOne-rl2ol ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Tom King is a conduit of cringe

  • @VaughnEsper
    @VaughnEsper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow Wes, saying that if people like Tom King then they don't care about characterization and continuity was extremely condescending and not at all thinking critically. It's kind of like saying that people who think differently to you are wrong, which you usually criticize. There are plenty of people who like Tom King who care about continuity and characterization.
    I don't get the nitpicking here. It's like you're searching for issues and problems just because you don't like Tom King. The things you bring up aren't even accurate.
    Wonder Woman was doing things in the background for the whole issue. It was mentioned in the narration, just not shown until the end of the book. Showing the main character at the end of the story is common in first issues, and you don't seem to complain about it when it's other characters. Most of the issue is laying the foundation, which is perfectly fine.
    Nubia told the Amazons to leave America after a lot of the events in the comic happened. So no-one is disobeying her. There was also shown reasons why some Amazons can't leave so quickly.
    Amazons being in America. Yes, it was just Wonder Woman many many years ago, but there's no reason why other Amazons wouldn't have moved there over time, especially with WW as ambassador.
    Wonder Woman fighting Sgt. Steel. He attacked her first and tried to kill her. Why would she not fight back?
    Sovereign was shown on one page, you can't make so many judgements and assumptions based on that. Yes, he has American and religious symbols on him but so what? Patriotism and Religion aren't necessarily bad, but they can and have been used to control people very effectively. It makes sense. I'm not saying that he wont turn out to be a subpar character, but it's too quick to make that judgement.
    Watching this as someone who read the comic, this came of as very biased. It was a good first issue and better than any Wonder Woman comics from the last few years. It might go downhill, it might not, but this was nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be. Certainly better than a lot of other DC comics at the moment.

  • @paulbowler5345
    @paulbowler5345 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tom King trashing another legacy character.... just another nail in DC's coffin.

  • @sharzinlalebazri5673
    @sharzinlalebazri5673 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nobody likes The Joker because of the grand ideas of Good vs Evil and Order vs Anarchy. Nobody does impressions of Heath Ledger's Joker because they care about the battle for Gotham's heart.
    It's all about his presence and charisma. Every well written version of The Joker steals the spotlight and gives us one hell of a party every time he is on the screen or page. There is a chilling and terrifying, yet exciting and exhilarating sensation when Joker is allowed to be himself.
    Now tell me, taking a look at this little Sovereign guy, do you really see him doing anything other than spouting the most cliche dark lord lines and getting his ass handed to him by Wonder Woman? Does a bald old man look like the face of unbound charisma and captivating presence to you?

  • @_masfueg0_
    @_masfueg0_ ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've been waiting months for this review and Wes you did not disappoint!! Although this is a train wreck I can't look away from lol

  • @LibraGamesUnlimited
    @LibraGamesUnlimited ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Pretty much everything wrong with current-year comics in one book. It's a master class in modern comic book writing. Would have been better as an Elseworld or something.
    I know I haven't been a regular reader in awhile but there should never be 300 Amazons living off their island no matter where they're living.

    • @ChrisSuperDude
      @ChrisSuperDude ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It honestly reminds me of a much worse version of Wonder Woman Earth One.

    • @LibraGamesUnlimited
      @LibraGamesUnlimited ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ChrisSuperDude I found Wonder Woman Earth One bad enough. It doesn't even have a plot, it's just a bad retelling of her origin. Painful.

  • @inadisguise9824
    @inadisguise9824 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So right now, wthe question on whom has destroyed more different IP's by changing canon, Tom King or JJ Abrams ? 🤣

    • @LibraGamesUnlimited
      @LibraGamesUnlimited ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What pissess me off about Abrams is, from what I've heard, he does it to 'own' it. He insists that his version be the only one out there and then changes it all so he has some level of ownership of that version. It seems like both a dick move and the work of a massive narcissist at the same time.

  • @DevitticusBellmont22
    @DevitticusBellmont22 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonder Woman: Wrath of Mongul #1: Premise
    Synopsis: While Diana visits Paradise Island once more. Hermes the messenger God gives her a parchment from Zeus telling her to find the lost power of Ares and bring it back to Olympus. Little does she know that the son of Amelia (One of the Amazons) has stolen it and gave it to Mongul II (Jr). While she was searching for Ares and where his power would be contained. She was abducted by Warworld and forced to fight to the death in a tournament setup by Mongul’s son: Mongul II. As the Amazonian princess looks around, she sees two things. The first is that Ares contained his power inside of one of his helmets. One of which Mongul is currently sporting. And the second is the blonde haired giant son of Amelia. A giant named Lanius, who seeks to prove his might to the Olympians and to honor his late father and his imprisoned species.

  • @kamenrangerzeo8251
    @kamenrangerzeo8251 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I will say one thing about the supposedly new villains that Tom King is putting on his that he looks like somebody that belongs from the video game Assassin's Creed: Revolution, reason is that I just really can't stand seeing the side of this guy.
    Seriously he is trying to look like the evil version of George Washington if you look like the vulture from Spider-Man the Animated Series.

  • @WTSD850
    @WTSD850 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the soverign actually looks a lot like the immortal commander from the doom patrol. also tom king just right comics outside of continuity please

  • @badmojo7825
    @badmojo7825 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tom King is the BIGGEST reason I stopped buying DC Rebirth Comics.
    DC needs to go back to Flashpoint.
    ERASE everything after Flashpoint and start over.
    But first FIRE EVERY EDITOR and WRITER working there now!
    Then depending on the NEW editors & writers I'll start paying for DC Comics again.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes and Dark Knights Metal too.Both them ruined Rebirth.

  • @danperrin3459
    @danperrin3459 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Real talk. Will we ever get the Big 2 back writing SUPERHERO stories for fans of SUPERHERO comics?

  • @namelesswhocares8648
    @namelesswhocares8648 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can anyone name me 10 good comic book Tom king ever wrote ?
    Those people make Howard Mackie look like Neil Gaiman and Alan moore

    • @namelesswhocares8648
      @namelesswhocares8648 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@therogueprince3790 That was the very time you read the new gods.
      I recommend the john Byrne run or the running the late 80s with artwork by Paris cullins

    • @VaughnEsper
      @VaughnEsper ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He hasn't written very many runs. His Vision, Superman: Up in the Sky, Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow and Mister Miracle are pretty well liked.

    • @namelesswhocares8648
      @namelesswhocares8648 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VaughnEsper And those books he wrote, how in demand are they ?

    • @VaughnEsper
      @VaughnEsper ปีที่แล้ว

      @@namelesswhocares8648 I'm not sure but they are brought up a lot in online conversations and reviews. I know Supergirl trades have had to be reprinted a lot with a hardcover coming next year.

    • @sovereigndayyouthkafir3943
      @sovereigndayyouthkafir3943 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man, what have you got against Howard Mackie? I admit, the only think I know he wrote was the Danny Ketch Ghost Rider book from the 90s. I loved that title both in terms of story and art. Tom King makes me miserable when I read his books, so I don't read him anymore. Mackie was solid, but I don't know any other titles he's written.

  • @cogekacc
    @cogekacc ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was going to buy this one, but I think Tom King is going to write wonder woman as a feminist commando

  • @VideoQuestEx
    @VideoQuestEx ปีที่แล้ว

    16:29- "Just go to the therapist, and stop writing comic books."
    Excellent advise for Mr. Tom King.

  • @aYT-hs6kj
    @aYT-hs6kj ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I knew the name Steele from somewhere, he is a Charlton comics character that has fallen into the public domain.

  • @zuffin1864
    @zuffin1864 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love how you say it how it is. Give us some non big 2 recommendations soon! Thanks :)

    • @Wes_From_TC
      @Wes_From_TC  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Every Saturday evening we recommend new comics. Indie comics normally go first!

    • @zuffin1864
      @zuffin1864 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Wes_From_TC yea i am just always hungry for more 😆

  • @user-ek4nh8oq8f
    @user-ek4nh8oq8f ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why?

  • @MandatoryReporter2015
    @MandatoryReporter2015 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I get “Dis stink” impression from this comic.

  • @MrTerrorzone2012
    @MrTerrorzone2012 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don't know if it's a good or bad thing that Wonder Woman isn't in the comic. It's good that he can't ruin her and make her wish kids die or something. But I always say WW isn't a hero she's a warrior. Sitting on the side lines is the last thing she does and the reason why I love her. She doesn't worry about stuff like not killing badguys, the laws or rules like most heroes she just does what she thinks is right. So it's still ruining her in a way. Tom King really can't help himself can he? The art is great tho, I always loved this artist from the first time I read Injustice

    • @VaughnEsper
      @VaughnEsper ปีที่แล้ว

      She wasn't on the sidelines. She was doing things throughout the comic but it was only mentioned in the narration. However, she was only shown in person near the end.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are wrong. In Pre-Crisis Era Diana were very against kill and tried your best to avoid killing the bad guys.She even had issues with the police or the army because your willingness to use lethal force against your enemies.The modern warrior take it's just a misconception of your character and nothing more.

    • @jimthar17
      @jimthar17 ปีที่แล้ว

      That seems to be a thing in comics. I've been reading a lot lately both old and new issues and realize that the star of the book isn't even in the comics about them half the time. I read a Black Panther comic last night that didn't have Black Panther in it anywhere. AT ALL. Not even an appearance at the end like WW in this issue (which I just read) It seems to be an odd thing. Some of the Detective comics I've read don't have Batman anywhere in them, stuff like that.