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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- It is immediately clear that the new HD6 is not your typical Ibis. Gone are the swoopy curves; in their stead is a sharp, mean looking machine. In this video, we take the new purpose-built Ibis enduro bike to Whistler to see if it can hold its own against a downhill bike, and test it out against the Ibis Ripmo to see how it pans out as an every-day trail bike. Could this be your one bike? Let's find out!
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0:00 Development and specs
3:49 Testing at bike park vs DH bike
9:34 New sizing chat
10:13 How does it jump? DH vs. HD6 vs. Ripmo
17:28 HD6 vs. Ripmo on everyday trails
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Thank you for comparing it with the Ripmo. A lot of us Ripmo owners were wondering.
Of course!
Cheers,
Dan and Logan
Awesome video guys! Love the Zebra paint job! That whistler trail looks familiar... hahaha!!!
Maybe the most bang for your buck trail around
I wish that paint scheme was an option. The bike is beautiful, but I am not a fan of the 3 color choices.
So when do we get to see Jeff manual an HD6 for miles ;)
Agree the zebra paint is 🔥
Should do an mtb rigs episode with that truck camper!
I love that you compared the 3 types of bikes. It really shows how the enduro bike is the do it all bike..
That it is! Glad you enjoyed the video.
Cheers - Dan P.
This was really cool to hear from the engineers and testers themselves
Glad you enjoyed it!
- Dan P.
The HD-6 frame looks really amazing now. Kudos to Ibis for redoing the aesthetics and that rear triangle, this looks amazing. That orange/black and the Green/black color look amazing too. Interesting how small the head tube looks.
Thank you guys for doing the gruelling work of testing this bike in whistler. True heroes ;)
It was our pleasure!
- Dan P.
What a wonderful comparison. Nice highlight of variety and versatility.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
- Dan and Logan
Excellent job! So many people are going to be curious about the comparison to the Ripmo and this was really well done! Also enjoyed hearing from the engineers!
Glad you found it informative! That is our aim.
Cheers,
Dan and Logan
Although I'm way late on here, I can't leave without saying Great Job! Thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish. Great riding, tons of info and excellent quality. Thank you
My 120mm rear, 130mm front, 66.5 head angle norco fluid is my one mountain bike, I live in NZ where we have plenty of steep gnarly tracks, and it handles everything just fine.
You're not wrong. Just a matter of teasing apart the differences. All bikes are pretty capable these days, it's just a matter of figuring out what's best for your intentions.
- Dan P.
Arrrrrg !!! I have built my dream bike last year based on a Ripmo, now I am not sure anymore it's my dream bike XD
Thank you very much for this review and actually comparing the HD6 to the Ripmo
The Ripmo is phenomenal, don't stress it!
- Dan P.
I been riding a V1 Ripmo for over 2 years now. Absolutely love it!
I thought the Mullet setup wasn't in demand or ideal according to reviews
and vids about it here on TH-cam?
Obviously Ibis knows what they're doing with designing a frame specific to a Mullet.
Very interested in demo'ing one.
I think that for a bike with this intended purpose it makes sense. The extra clearance to get over the back of the bike, and slightly easier to get through tight and techy trails. The differences don't feel massive, so if this is a bike that fits into what you're looking for, definitely give it a go!
- Dan P.
Thanks for the great review. This told me just what I needed to know. I love my Ripmo so much though, that the HD6 will be an additional bike for me rather than a replacement.
It’s funny how a Lo of enduro guys are going back to shorter and less travel bikes. Take a look at commencals new geo and people like Charles Murray.
I also love how everyone talks about stiffness but over a long stage stiffness introduces fatigue.
A great looking bike ( HD6) , reminds me of my beloved Scott FR 30 (2014) in profile . Would be nice to tried it some day...
Would love to see a comparo with the now discounted specialized enduro which most people say beats the stumpjumper evo on the up and down and is full 29.
Had both. Enduro is definitely a different beast going down very rough trails. Just has so much in reserve in the rear. But it doesn't outperform the StEvo going up. While the pedaling efficiency is similar, the enduro is just heavier. It climbs fine for what it is but it isn't going to beat the StEvo going up with equal wheel/tire setups.
The problem I had with the Enduro is that it really wanted to be on gnarly trails. Riding it on anything that wasn't at the LEAST a black felt muted and kind of boring. I know that may be a good thing to a lot of people but I feels like you are going to grow tired of your local trails unless you live in somewhere like BC with some serious steeps.
The HD 6 looks amazing, I loved my HD 5 they nailed it on this one. Thanks for taking the time to test it against other bikes. Strange question, what pants are those you are wearing in the video?
It looks like they've changed the color this year, but these ones:
www.fanatikbike.com/products/fox-defend-pants?variant=39993305825326
- Dan P.
@@FanatikBikeCo Awesome, thanks Dan!
Great video, really enjoyed it. One question, does the new bike still use bushings or bearings?
Combination of both!
- Dan P.
Great video! 👏🏼👌🏼👊🏼
Glad you liked it! - Logan at Fanatik (video guy)
Really need to demo one of these, sounds like the perfect upgrade from a Ripmo. I'm on my 3rd season on my Ripmo and am really starting to feel its limits in the bike park, but still want to stay with a one bike quiver. I cascade linked mine, which helped, but also want to move to a coil but am probably just a little too heavy to run a coil on a Ripmo, but HD6 should work just fine even with a 250lb rider on a coil edit: spring calculator says I could run a 550 spring on the HD6 :)
Give it a go, it's a rad bike! I've got one on order!
- Dan P.
Was the cascade link a really noticeable upgrade ? I have added two volume spacers to my shock and it is still too linear for jumping big jumps. I would love to use something that would up the progression and ramp up the stroke.
@@michaelmann3636 Yes the cascade link is a VERY noticeable upgrade. I was able to drop from 5 volume spacers to 3 in my DVO air shock. It would provide similar benefit to coil users, though you need to run a linear spring with it.
@@mrvwbug4423 It’s probably in my near future then for the Ripmo it really needs something to up the progression.
I just purchased one for my Spire, I will get that one installed and the Ripmo will be next. Thanks
This bike is incredible. My son is 15 and about 127 pounds. He rides a large custom Ripmo AF with DVO Onyx and the Jade X coil. If you guys were riding a large Ripmo with coil do you think that would behave more like a enduro bike. The medium is so small. Nice job guys🔥🤘
Thanks!
At 5'10" I would prefer to ride the medium Ripmo, but could ride the large.
- Dan P.
@@FanatikBikeCo 🔥🔥🔥💯
They did not set up the Ripmo very well for riding enduro. Still the HD6 is designed to out class it on enduro terrain. The best setup HD6 will outperform the best setup Ripmo.
@@NONO-hz4vo yeah I totally agree with you.
Sounds great. To help me understand as I do not own a Ripmo to understand how the HD6 differs, how does it compare to the Rocky Mountain Slayer 27.5" and or the Devinci Troy 2021? Thanks
I can't speak for the Devinci, as I've never ridden one, but I have ridden a Slayer. The Slayer is a sweet bike, but felt more like a DH bike that could pedal. On anything that wasn't super steep/gnarly it was pretty slow and boring and didn't pump very well. That being said, it was great on the steeps. Would make a sweet bike for someone that's into freeride, big hits, and gnarly off the map trails. It has a slacker seat tube angle than the HD6, Troy, or Ripmo, so in a comfort sense, I'd prefer to pedal those 3 before the Slayer. I'd say the Troy and the Ripmo are about the same type of bikes. Even though the HD6 has similar travel numbers to the Slayer, it felt more efficient when pedaling, and pumped better. - Logan (video guy) at Fanatik
Dear Fanatik, can ask about sizing? I am 5’9”. I ride a medium V2 Ripmo (reach 460mm). I like the sizing. I’ve ridden a SB150 size large with a reach of 480mm a few years ago. I felt it was too long. I see you say your 5’10” riding a medium Ripmo and a medium HD6 which has a even smaller reach of 454mm. Even though ibis would put you on a large at your height. Any explanation there?
For background, I ride in Kamloops,BC. Fast flowy trails.
Most medium bikes these days are pretty similarly sized. I can ride size larges, but I don't tend to prefer them.
One thing to consider about reach is how abstract a measurement it is. The two points of reference for your body are your feet and your hands, and you're somehow supposed to correlate that to (in this case) a difference of 6mm in reach (which is your hands to a floating point above your feed, up by your pelvis) between your Ripmo and a medium HD6.
I personally don't really pay much attention to reach as long as it's in a similar ballpark. The geo numbers I really give more weight to are effective top-tube and wheelbase. Also chainstay length, if you know what you like. But that's wrapped into wheelbase.
At the end of the day, aside from trying them, the best way to make a decision is to base it off bikes you have ridden a lot. You say you ride a medium Ripmo, and that the large SB150 felt too big. I'd say a medium HD6 would be the way to go.
- Dan P.
Thanks for the Vid....wondering what all the racers did to their Ripmos for better ridng?
Can someone explain what means a more progressive bike?
Cheers and Thnk you
Glad you enjoyed it!
I don't know the specifics of what they did, but without a doubt there was some aftermarket suspension tuning going on.
As far as progressivity, check this video out, I explain it with examples:
th-cam.com/video/CROmhTIgH7o/w-d-xo.html
- Dan P.
Given your height how many spacers underneath the bars are you running on the AF?
I decided to go with a Norco sight C2 and although it’s a great bike, I feel like I should have invested the extra 2000$ and just gone with the HD6. Instead what I’m gonna do is keep my Sight for another summer (next summer). I’ll buy the HD6 during the 2025 summer. I’m really looking forward to owing this whip. It’s nice, it’s capable, colour schemes are shockingly sexy. What’s not to like, really!
I am new to the channel. Is one of the best I ever seen. Unfortunately cause of my age (46) I will make a transition to e bikes. I still enjoy my 2020 Santa Cruz nomad but Damn age shows it's Singh's. Keep the amazing work and hard effort you give for us
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying our videos!
- Dan P
Have you tried the Ripmo with the Cascade link to up the progression ?
We have not, no!
- Dan P.
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I just purchased one for my Spire, can’t wait to try it out. The Ripmo even after adding 2 volume spacers it still really isn’t progressive enough. I wish you guys would have tried one, because I respect your take on things. I feel the Ripmo could definitely benefit from one. Cheers ❗️
@@michaelmann3636 I got a link for my stumpy evo and it’s been awesome. Definitely has more bob on the uphill though
the only bike i want is a steel or aluminium gearbox downhill bike with room for a big dropper, bottle cages, climbing switches/easily adjusted low speed compression on the suspension, that to me is a true mtb
How would you compare the Ibis HD 6 and the Pivot Firebird please
Dan, how did you find the sizing of this bike. You are 5’10 and on a medium in this video…what size are you planning to buy for your own? I’m 5’9 and can’t decide which size.
I just bought a medium! My inseam is 30" and my arm-span is 5'10"
- Dan P.
Dan, do you generally prefer a shorter bike or do you find the medium is appropriate for somebody like yourself at 5’10”. The Ibis size chart would place you on a large (as I’m sure you know). If you had a suggestion for myself, what size would you recommend?
@@FanatikBikeCo
Dan, did you try the size 3 I’m just curious b/c I am in the process of buying one myself and at 5’8.5 I am heavily leaning towards the size 3 and can’t decide if I’m nuts or not LOL@@FanatikBikeCo
@@jsw5387 Hey, sorry, just saw your messages. It's hard for me to make a recommendation solely based off your height. I personally find medium bikes of today to be more fun than size large, which I find unwieldy and harder to move around. If you are comparing the size 3 to other bikes you've owned and know you like, however, you should go with that!
- Dan P.
I think they came to the conclusion they wanted.
They didn't really take this bike to Whistler in the sense that most would assume. Can the HD6 hit the big popular lines? Probably, I mean I have seen Sam Pilgrim hit some pretty insane lines on the weirdest of contraptions and it was the dream. Will the HD6 find itself getting outclassed by a v10 or a demo pretty quick on the bigger lines and rowdier drops? Yep.
Compared to the Ripmo it is probably a lot closer of a comparison as the geo is so similar. Given most of the trails from blue to black at a local PNW riding area the Ripmo is probably a bit faster and maybe more fun as it requires more skill from the rider but overall it won't be that noticeable.
Can you ride the HD6 at a bike park and on a trail system? Probably unless you are really good and able to push the limits on the DH side. There is no way the HD6 is going to compete with an actual DH bike once you start hitting the big features or the DH race lines. Trail side it won't really matter that much since both bikes are capable and the only thing you lose is a small percentage of time.
Would you choose the HD6 over the Spire, Firebird or Arrival 170? Any other recommendations for efficient, fast, bruiser enduro weapons?
Yep, the Arrival 170 is a top contender. The Spire feels like a bigger bike to me, maybe just because it is soo slack and long. It is fairly light though. I haven't ever ridden a Firebird, so can't comment on that one.
- Dan P.
@@FanatikBikeCo Gracias Dan!
I agree with Dan about the Spire feeling big. It felt a bit less playful, and I actually found the seat tube angle to be a bit too steep/upright. Personally I would choose the HD6 over that for most types of riding. I've ridden a Firebird and absolutely loved it, was considering buying one. The decision between the HD6 and a Firebird would almost be impossible, as they're both some of my most favorite bikes. So from a ride-ability view, I'd say it's a wash between the two, so would just come down to preferences on aesthetics. Maybe the Firebird just because I really like Eddie Masters - Logan (video guy) at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo Great info Logan, so maybe the Patrol might have been a better comparison (mullet). I was just thinking Spire because of the progressivity of it, but I think the Spire was a great attempt to do something different but sounds like it's slotting into that category of shuttle bikes and bike park machines or the person who just loves to ride chunky rowdy rock garden stuff and can live with something less playful. Lastly, would you throw the OG Specialized Enduro in here or the Slash from Trek? I tend to stray away from big brands like Specialized and Trek and support the boutique brands, plus growing up in Edmonds, WA, and being PNW through and through I'm always looking to buy Transition or Evil and speaking of Evil... I think recently they have been going under the radar. Maybe because other brands have finally caught up to them, but I would think Insurgent if you want that MX setup or Wreckoning could compete here too?
What trail/trails are those in the bike park ? New Creekside ?
Yep, all the techy park riding was new Creekside stuff. - Logan at Fanatik (video guy)
Yep, Creekside! I don't recall off the top of my head which trails specifically.
- Dan P.
Love the paint job nothing screams preproduction more than that 😂
what was the weight difference between the HD 6 and the Ripmo? maybe 5-6 lbs?
I don't think that there's actually much difference...3 lbs according to the IBis website 28.2 vs 31.66
Very little. The frames weigh about the same, so it just depends on how you build it up.
- Dan P.
Is Logan’s Demo MX or full 29? Thanks
It's actually full 27.5 because I built it recently, and the only fork I could find was the 27.5 bomber. Out of stock everywhere for the 29er dual crowns. - Logan at Fanatik.
How does it compare to the We Are One 170? Any thought?
Great question, and great comparison. I think the biggest differentiator in my mind (I own an HD6 now) is that the HD6 is only available as a mullet bike, whereas the Arrival is either full 29 or mullet. Also, the Arrival is fully made in Canada, which is a pretty cool thing to support.
- Dan P.
is it just me or does it look like a gen 1 sb150(missing infinity link ofc but yk...)
We were thinking it looks like the previous generation of Pivot Firebird! But yes, definitely has Yeti vibes too.
- Dan P.
The hd6 is awesome if only i could afford it. Ripmo af is probably the best I'll get for a while
Ripmo is a great bike for sure! Been one of my favorites for a long time now. - Logan at Fanatik
I'm still a proud owner of the HD3 and HD4,I would have loved the HD6 to have been a true 29er.
HD6 looks sweet but I’ll stick with my Ripmo
Nothing wrong with that! Ripmo is a great bike. - Logan at Fanatik
Fanatik are dope🤙🏼
Appreciate it! - Logan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo keep it up guys. Btw....fr541 just stunning. Want them 😂🤙🏼
Why is the quality selector unavailable?
Taking a page out of the car manufactures playbook for hiding lines via the paint job.
HD6 looks like a Yeti and a Santa Cruz had a baby
Reminds me of a yeti
541 reach with a 435 CS on an XXL?
Finally! An Ibis that doesn’t look like crap!
..... will there be an hd6 AF?
Not in the near future, and possibly never.
- Dan P.
Maybe if the HD6 Steel sells well first
Super cool but my God the price of bikes these days is mental. This is a 8k-15k bike...
Why your voice listen like so cold😂
Where are those jumps
Mohawk trail in Bellingham. - Logan at Fanatik
Finally ibis made a good looking bike 😂😂
Why would you want to have only one bike?! 😅
I wouldn’t buy a MX wheels bike. Not even for free! If I were to get the HD6, I change the for to a longer fork travel (add 10-20mm) and add a 27.5 on the front to match the rear (27.5 front and back).
It looks like sb160
Great more sizing issues. Wish this nonsense was standardized across all brands.
I tent to look at geometry charts and compare a given bike to another bike (or bikes, I have a running spreadsheet) that I've ridden and enjoyed. The main numbers I look at are:
Eff Top Tube -- Reach -- Stack -- wheelbase -- seattube angle --HT angle -- bb height -- chainstay
- Dan P.
I want to sell my car to buy this bike
So funny what he said too about too many people trying to squeeze onto the large which I almosttt did on my ripmo as someone who is 5'7" and so glad I didn't
Yea, at your height the medium is the way to go for sure! I am 5'10" and I ride a medium.
- Dan P.
Selling your car to buy this bike… i think you are w person who truly understands what it means to love mountain biking… I think this is an excellent idea
On first sight it looks like a Yeti ripoff
Wrong wheelsize in the rear for enduro.
Mullets are a fad.
I was on a full 27.5 tried some friends 29ers then went with a mullet patrol. For me the 29 gets me out of some hairy situations at low speeds with big rocks and roots but the 27.5 in the back means that I can get way off the back without buzzing my butt on the rear tire. It may be because I am 5'9'' with relatively short legs but the mullet is really working for me. Not to mention the short(er) rear end makes slapping corners easier
Your opinion is a fad
Right? Should be dual 26".
@@ref498 If mullets are supposedly better, then explain to me why most of the pro racers are riding full 29er setups. Even short guys like Jesse Melamed.
@@meteormedia7021 Because they need to squeak out every advantage on uphill tech sections, flat pedally sections ext? Plus there are plenty of pro downhillers that rock the mullet. I am just trying to have fun in the woods with my friends and the mullet helps me ride how I want to.
You should probably go for a ride, you seem stressed about the wheel size of a bike you will never buy.
In Santa Cruz, two crews has been created. One knowing how to make a great bike and Ibis. This brand is just a huge overpriced scam. The guys should get some sort of self-reflection, stop this joke and go home do something better. Like literally nothing... or watching netflix maybe (hoping they will not do it wrong again ! )
Have you ridden an Ibis?
@@FanatikBikeCo yes I did. Did you serviced an Ibis ?
I have 10 years on Santa Cruz bikes and 3 on Ibis bikes and haven't noticed a quality or service discrepancy in the two of them. I also take good care of my bikes and store them in a garage ~150 miles away from the Santa Cruz coast and its salt air.
@@NONO-hz4vo Did you personally ever dissasembled ibis frame ?
@@huhupoklop5970you're the only person that I've heard say this