Black in Poland
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- This video answers the question: What it is like to be black in Poland? It genuinely addresses the issue of racism and racial bias, revealing a different side of Poland.
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You see, in Poland we don't have that colonial history as western countries. Black person - or any non-Polish looking person - is really exotic. But its not only colour of the skin. I honestly can recognize that particular person (white) is not Polish, they just have different face mimic, body movement, fashion style. :D
We do have colonial history. Poland was colonised by west and actually east as well.
@@niemamnicku1359 yeah that's correct, but surely you know what Atena meant :) like we have never colonised anyone
Even if Poland belonged to the typically colonizing countries with the Polish mentality, it would have been different. Besides, our country did not recognize slavery (for example, black slaves after the Battle of Vienna were treated as an elite service, which was taken care of when they were recaptured from the hands of the Ottoman Empire where they were slaves).
In Poland, there has always been a tolerance of religion, etc. If something was different, maybe someone looked at you strangely but did not do anything to you as in the "tolerant west" which is now artificially trying to atone for its sins. Poles are rather curious. It was only later that people were told that Poles are racists - a myth after World War II that the West eagerly bought and replicated (we remember when there were interviews on TV in the UK, "do not go to the Euro football championship in Poland because you will come back in a coffin", really?). We were so racist that we opposed Napoleon in Haitia (even if it did not pay off politically for us) to help the local black people fight for freedom because our soldiers realized that they were fighting Napoleon for what we do in Europe for our home and freedom. For Poles, moral values have always been most important, not business interests, so after the Second World War, our "friends" with a smile on their faces handed us over to the communists. This is how they thanked the 303 and 302 squadrons, General Anders, General Maczek, General Sikorski even Wojtek the Bear (he couldnt go back to see free Poland) and many others who fought for our and your freedom. Poles are nice and more tolerant than we think. Do Poles have cold faces on the street? Yes, because we hide the pain left by the stabbed daggers in the back and we try to calmly fight for a better tomorrow. But at moment when we see that someone needs help or is nice to us, we immediately smile and go help. Why do Poles have a different body language? Because moral values develop other micro-reflexes in us.
But we wanted to have a colony. Madagascar, if I remember correctly.
But I agree - you can just tell a non-polish person in Poland and a polish person abroad ;)
do White Americans coming to Poland experience racism ?
With this staring at the black people in Poland is like with supercars. How many supercars do you see on the street? But if you see one you will definitely pay attention to it. There is no hatred in it, just pure curiosity.
If a white man goes to some small African village, he will surely draw attention to himself.
There's also cultural difference between Poland and America. In Poland staring is more accepted and more about curiosity while in America staring is usually associated with aggression and beeing hostile so many black Americans missinterpret our staring.
I can confirm, go to a township in South Africa as a white guy and you will feel so out of place... and maybe a bit on your toes because a lot of them aren't very safe. And it's not recommended to wear anything flashy to suggest you have any money on you.
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos It won't be a problem in my case XD
@@jakubkful Unless they start speaking Zulu or Xhosa or Sotho to you?
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos I don't know what you're referring to, but my point was that I'm broke so there won't be a problem with flashy things in my case.
You are very appreciative of Poland and its culture. Two tiny remarks: do keep in mind that the Polish have the very nasty habit of just staring at people, especially in smaller villages. Everybody hates it and it’s not staring down to confront or express hostility, it’s a mixture of curiosity, trying to figure out the person, and lack of self-awareness (the elderly are not aware that it’s rude). So, whenever you have the impression that people are staring- they probably are, but they would have done it without you being black, maybe two times less intensely. The second thing is the bureaucracy and folks employed in this sector. It’s literally Kafka’s Trial, still, to this very day. Everybody hates you since they have more work because of you. These people really don’t care about the color of your skin, they hate you for who you truly are: an obstacle to some free time. You can ask your friends about the staring habit and bureaucracy and see their reactions. So, there is less hostility towards foreigners as people might thing, and most of it comes from social outcasts, as you put it, who would hurl insults at passing ladies. BTW, keep making them videos.
Well, I don't agree that polish People don't care about the skín color. When they dont like the person and the person is black they dont resist to mention their skín color and attack them for that, even though they dont do that directly to that person. I live abroad and my friend told me about his experience of working with polish people as there are many of us here. Unfortunately, he changed my way of thinking about polish friendly attitude towards people of other nations. When I meet polish people, they are usually very friendly towards me, but thats because Im polish, having not polish friends let me look at them from different perspective. I find it baffling when polish people living here try to ''warn me" and literally telling me not to deal with black or muslim people as a good advice. I hide the fact of having friends with Romanian girl because I dont want any "advices" protecting me from I dont know what. It makes it hard for me to stand for polish people here, but as I am polish myself I kinda understand why we are often considered as racist and Í dont think we really are, but the way we behave makes others think so.
@@bobodzidzi3991 I didn't write that Poles were oblivious to race. Where is "here" and who is "us"? There are probably many/some racists in Poland, especially in rural areas and smaller towns, but again- this has NOTHING to do with my comment, where I was talking strictly about the staring and the bureaucracy. If you have racist friends- that's on you. And again, you're not responding to my comment, you're having this internal monologue in your head. We're not discussing, you just wanted to get it out of your system and it's ok, but don't say that "you're not agreeing with X", given that I did not write such a thing, ok? There are some racists, just to be clear, but mostly the staring is just curiosity and NOT racism. Nobody stares at you like a slav...
@@jezykibezcenzury well, I can say that I dont agree with you. Dont tell me I cant. Also its not about staring at people. Every time Í watch this kind of video I see polish people in the comment explaining themselves this way. All countries have their social problems, but it doesnt affect the way they behave towards other people. I didnt say polish people are racist but their behavior might be considered as racist. Maybe people should just simply stop staring instead of saying that its ''out of curiosity''.
@@bobodzidzi3991 I don't believe that you understand half of what I'm saying, I sure don't understand half of what you're saying, so there is no way to have a nuanced conversation.
Thank you for explaining this because sometimes i want to say very rude things, because it's annoying! And very uncomfortable. Today in Krakau there was a polish nun woman staring at me with a dangerous dirty look. Most times the polish woman look dirty at me so i always look dirty back. I will give you the same energy. I know some polish people a racist thats why i'm always on protection mode. And as a black person you can't be sure if they are racist or not of they starin at you with a dirty face look. It feels like jealousy and insecurity to me.
I come from Poland and I am always really happy that you tell about my country that warmly!
hello! I wasn't born in Poland, but my nationality is Polish and I've been studying here for a few years. I think you are definitely right - people from homogeneous countries are curious rather than racist. I experience it myself, although I try not to make black people feel uneasy because of me staring at them. I just sometimes look at black ladies' hairstyles, as they are amazing :-) And my thoughts are usually like this: "there goes a black girl, wow, nice shoes, but why did she come to this exact country and city?..."
I also think that people working in cafes, shops or different institutions might have prejudices because they don't expect black people to speak Polish. It's a popular language to learn in Ukraine and Belarus, because of the similarities, but it's not popular among English speakers, I guess. This is why some people may seem... tense? They're probably afraid of not being able to communicate properly. And of course there are rude and racist people everywhere, but I do believe they are not the majority :)
I like how speak English btw haha
Poland isn't homogeneous man.
@@M3rl1n177 Ukrainians aren't the only immigrants here man. Go on the streets
@@weronikaborsukowska2736, where? In Warsaw?
@@azrael1982PL in General
Hi Peter, Im new to your channel and I must say I love watching your videos, keep it up!
Regarding your video I fully agree with you and I’ll even tell you a story from when I moved to England over 10 years ago because I do relate to what you were saying about Polish people staring at you. I remember the time I first moved to the UK and saw a black person on a bus. I could not stop looking at her, not because she was black (Skin colour doesn’t bother me at all) but because I found her hair texture so beautiful, so unique. I was so impressed with her hair I didn’t even realise she noticed I was staring at her until she got defensive and said wtf are you looking at me for. It made me think that black people have encountered so much racism in Western Europe (countries that have colonised other countries unlike those in central-eastern Europe) that the first thought that comes to their mind is “she is staring at me because I’m black” instead of “oh I bet she likes my hair, make up or what I’m wearing”. I think all people are beautiful and we as a whole need to be more confident about how we look so that the first thought that comes to mind is not negative/to do with our race. I do understand where this type of thoughts are coming from but Poland have never colonised any country so we do not have a history of racism etc.
Lots of love xx
Thanks for sharing your story. I am now fully aware that the stares are usually out of curiosity and fascination. I know your experience happened over 10 years ago but I challenge you: The next time you see a beautiful black woman give her a complement. It is truly affirming when someone who does not look like you celebrates your beauty. Sadly, even to this day, having dark skin and kinky hair is not always considered beautiful or could make you a target for ridicule. Times are getting better, as people are learning to embrace diversity. Again thank you for your comment.
I am not sure you are aware that we stare because you black people just look cool. Because of your curly hair and warm brown complexion you can wear hairstyles and colors that do not suit our pale complexion. To us you look beautiful and unique. And yes, we are curious of who you are, why you are here and all that, but we are to northernish to stop you by and ask 😂
Thank you for the beautiful words
Hello :) I am from Gliwice (currently living in France) my boyfriend is black and this topic you discussed is very important for me. I am very happy and relieved that you feel welcomed in Poland and Silesia. Powodzenia !!
'Polish, Norweigian and Spanish' makes a good point. People hear about the Nazi horrors in Poland during WWII.... But nobody ever asks why there were so many Jews, Roma (Gypsies), and Muslims in Poland up until 1939. That's because Poland was one of the most liberal and diverse countries in Europe. Starting with the Jews in the ~1200's, Poland accepted the people who were being kicked out of other countries. How many Muslims were in Poland before WWII? Enough that there is a Polish mosque in Brooklyn, NY, established in 1928.
Thanks(sarcasm) to Hitler & Stalin Poland is more homogenous post-1945 than it ever was through its history.
Open heart + open mind = Peter. All the best for you!
🥰 Thank you 🙏🏾. I don’t always get it right, but I always try to be mindful.
You are an extremely positive, nice and sensible person. In addition, you are professionally and educationally active. Poles appreciate hard-working and kind people. How are they not supposed to like you.
Racism in Poland is overrated, its scale is small, and most Poles will be especially nice to you, as if they want to protect you as a guest in their homeland.
Welcome to Poland Peter. All will be fine👍
I'm scared. Yall.might kidnapped me lol
You summed it up really well I think, it's curiosity in a lot of ways. I'm not a minority, but my background is a bit unusual in its own right. As a white South African, who knows elementary Polish and has a very clear English accent, I can honestly say I've experienced a different, but also entirely unique, kind of curiosity from my Polish friends and colleagues that honestly just makes me chuckle every time: Confusion. A lot of older folk just can't help but ask, "Wait, why aren't you black?", which to be fair, is also something I got from older people in the UK too. People my age (late twenties) are more curious about my linguistic background, why my accent is the way it is and why I want to learn Polish (and what the hell Afrikaans is!) I've never found any of these lines of questioning to be remotely offensive. In fact, I've had far more intrusive and belligerent questions from British people to be honest, and have only so far found Poles who ask from a place of genuine curiosity. For me, it's very refreshing.
Edit: To add, just because the thought occurred to me, also I think it's because our two cultures seldom have a chance to meet. So the interest becomes mutual.
Love your videos!! ❤️
I hope you will have only good experiences :) ! Great channel
I really appreciate how empatic and non-stereotypical you try to be when stating your opinion,yet it does not affect your sincerity. I think you are much right. Polish people often stare at someone who looks different and a dark skin tone is something less usual so it might happened they tend to stare because it is new, interesting and "rare to observe". I also wonder sometimes how is it like to have such hair or skin tone, or for girls how is their skin care or how do they keep these specific afro hair boeing done,or similar things. Hopefully I dont stare to much;). Also in smaller cities it could be more tense than in big cities with bigger immigration rate etc. I am very happy that you have mainly positive experiences, yet I would recommend maybe if you go somewhere during late hours to take taxi rather than walk etc. There is also one story of me,I live in a small town in Poland of only 2500people,so it is very small. A couple of years ago a position in local clinic took a dark-skin doctor, a gynecologist. So you could imagine,for all the ladies in the area it was quite a shock. He was literally a first black person in the city and he took such a sensitive position for all the ladies in the area. Yet he works there for 10+ years now and I think everyone is now just used to it. He has a family and runs pretty much a normal life. I think for us we just should have more positive experiences of dark-skinned people in the area. Also as someone mentioned , what Polish people admire most is hard work,as this is a nation that has a history of rises and falls yet they made it through with their hard working attitude. If they see someone honest,positive,working ,living a stable normal life, they will accept him as they have no reason not to
Thank you for your comment and sharing your story. I really try my best to approach this issue with grace( and sometimes I do not get it right). Thank you for noticing my effort.
Hello. Im from small city in Poland. Read about Omar Sangare. Great guy. That was my first contact with black person in Poland. He was teenager that tima i was a childe. Loooong time ago.
You are such an amazing and positive person. Yes, people in Poland do stare because Polish society is still a bit homogenous but those people don’t mean any harm. It’s curiosity. It comes from the fact that before WWII we had this amazing multiple-cultural country based on equality and after it started because Hitler murdered many people based on their ethnicity, then Stalin killed whoever was left and looked or acted different, we ended up as a country with the majority of Poles having a fair complexion and light hair.
P.S People who are biased against you based on your skin colour, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation are sad excuses of human beings and probably not educated well.
It is enough to watch the travel channels of boys from Poland who visit distant countries in Asia, Africa or South America, when you are the only white in a small town in Haiti, they are also staring at you and it is not related to their nationality :)
I agree, novel is novel, no matter what nationality, race or ethic background. Stares backed by curiosity and fascination are welcomed with hand waves, smiles and understanding. Thank you for the comment. 😀
Thank you for your nice comments. The unfortunate thing is that some circles in Poland and also outside of it are trying really hard to cash in on virtue signaling and smear campaigning. Very sad people
When i was in Kenya, at Nairobi and Mombasa people were starying at me all the time :)
Good video men I watch your videos from Canada 😄
As an African American male I’m so glad I watched this video, I’ll be visiting Poland for the 1st time in a few months and at first I wasn’t too sure if going there would be a good idea but the more I researched about Poland the more the country intrigued me so I want to see what is truly like good, bad, and ugly but hopefully my time will be all good 😅😂
If any Polish person sees this I look forward to visiting your country soon, I’m ready to stuff my face with polish food the pierogis look DELICIOUS
I'm grateful you found this video, and I am sure you will have a great time. What cities are you planning to visit? (Pierogi are the best!)
@@peterholmanwashington Warsaw and Krakow
@@brizzle3903 you’ll be more than fine, as those cities are very diverse and host tourists from around the world. I’m excited for you.
@@peterholmanwashington awesome I can’t wait because after Poland it’s Slovakia and then Slovenia
@@brizzle3903 You are in for a great trip, it will be a little cold, but it is going to be totally worth it. Will you be traveling solo?
I'm happy to hear about your experience - I just came back to Poland after 10 years in the UK and rediscover the country. I kept thinking Poland was quite racist, but maybe I was wrong.
Hey, did u say Żory? 😊 it's my home town ☺️. U make nice films. Cheers!
Hi,
I m new on this channel
Good job
My grandma yesterday said something like
"When I saw black person for the first time, I was staring at him and staring"
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when I see someon who dont looks like a sterotypical polish men its really funny and interesting for my because this country isn't popular for other nations and I asking myself: why someon wants go to Poland.😅 Its really weird country with strange language but If someone want to live there then must be very brave or just like this culture and that is cute❤️
Im sorry my english is not the best
Hopefully expanding your points, it may be worth to mention that stereotyping, which seems to be one of the main aspects of racism and beyond it, is surprisingly a quite "natural" aspect of human psychology via cognitive bias. Some psychologists even say that certain cognitive biases are built in our DNA to aid surviving, simply by not trusting what we are "unfamiliar" with. More here: th-cam.com/video/16eeFd9B49w/w-d-xo.html
I'm familiar with the concept of cognitive bias and its biological roots. Thanks for sharing the video. With knowledge, we can usher in change.
Here for speed 😂😂😂
I remember realizing I'm the only white guy in a supermarket somewhere in Texas.
Nobody (well almost nobody) staired at me but I got a few looks which made me look around myself and realize: oh man, I'm the only white guy here!
It was a bit weird but I didn't run away, I just finished my shopping.
Getting this kind of attention is a bit weird, hahaha , it's one of my stories from my Work and Travel program and my trip to US (it was aroung year 2000)
I imagine that is like being white in Zimababwe?
I'm Polish.But they say that I'm Ukrainian and get out from here.
I'm being hated.I'm being calumniated.
*Hi Again, Peter! When I first made a comment on your channel, I didn't want to ask you about racial topics, because I thought you get around to them in time. Two questions: What's the spelling of the town where you live? What are you studying at the university? Dziękuję bardzo!*
Hello... I live in Gliwice, but I work in Żory and I study at the university of Opole. And sorry I could not help you with that other issue. How is Japan?
@@peterholmanwashington Just like every other country, Japan has its good and bad sides: The good sides include the fact that most people will go out of their way to help you when you get lost, and that most of them don't have "attitude"--in the bad sense of the word. The minuses for me are that I'm 193 cm tall, so it's almost impossible to buy clothes that fit. Plus, the summers in most parts of the country are so hot and humid that they're like one huge malignant sauna--and that's what it's like right now!
@@519djw6 What an experience!!! So what brought you to Japan? And when will you start your channel about your experience there?
@@peterholmanwashington Hello Peter, Actually, my You-Tube channels will not deal with my own experiences as an American living in Japan. In fact, there are already many--and in my opinion, too many-- channels that already deal with people's personal experiences as Americans/Britons in this country. Instead, my channels will deal with literature and languages. And since we're already in contact via email, I would prefer to write to you person-to-person. Is that OK with you? Powodzenia!
TH-cam algorythm brought me here, glad that I saw this video.
Comment for blessing of youtube overlords
This dude has á funny voice .
What we call "racism" nowadays was more or less created in England in the XIXth century, as a more modern justification for colonial policy, that could replace and amend the problems with the religious justification used previously (mostly by the Iberians). Christianity wasn't as in vogue anymore, and the colonized people (in the New World) have by and large been well and truly converted by now, so that one simply wasn't convincing any more. Plus the religious justification was always kinda bad tbh... On top of that the new justification served as a convenient explanation for the question of why the hell did the Europeans surpass everyone else technologically so damn much.
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Then the ideology spread around Europe and got picked up, firstly by the people who could benefit from it - like the Prussian elites who saw it as a way to justify their drive to unify the various Germanic peoples of the region under a new ethnic German banner, and just in general, through osmosis, by the population. Russia also picked it up (tough in their case, it was a largely elites-only thing, because of how rural the country was). There it served as a justification for conquering south eastern Europe which was under Austrian and Turkish rule, but had lots of Slavic inhabitants in it.
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Poland didn't exist at this time and was mostly poor and backwards (in comparison to western Europe). Slavic ethno-nationalism was a Russian thing and thus naturally perceived as at least suspicious (it still has that connotation in Poland really...) The traditional elites of the country (aristocrats) saw little to no benefit in racial politics which they perceived as more divisive than useful. The Austrian Empire actively stirred up ethnic tensions between Poles and Ukrainians in the Empire for instance. After WWI most of city dwellers were attracted to nationalistic politics with at least some ethno-nationalist element in them, but only some 30% of the population lived in cities, and the military ended up taking power anyway, more or less imposing the "we're trying to be Poland-Lithuania again, so stop being obnoxiously modern" mindset of the aristocracy. Over time they gave concessions to the nationalists, but then the country got steamrolled.
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All this to say: "pure" Polish ethnon-nationalism has historically been, and still is, perceived as very, very "sus" in the country. Whereas the more generic nationalism has had little reason to be particularly "race-conscious" in the past, and when it was being "race-conscious", black people weren't a consideration. Germans, Jews and other Slavs were. Generic xenophobia is definitely a thing in Poland. Racism as described above too, but I hope I've explained why it's not really that ingrained. It's basically an ideological import that has little use in the Polish reality. Outside of people who wanna make money, or gain notoriety, off of talking about it (in one way or another), riding the wave of American-centric social media trends. At least that's what I think.
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So the "black people have a genetically ingrained tendency towards criminality" idea is simply rather culturally foreign, and the "blacks are thieves" stereotype itself, putting aside the darwinianesque explanation, does not really exist, because there wasn't any blacks around for stereotypes to form. Poles will be (somewhat) aware of these stereotypes existence in American culture because of how pervasive American cultural influence is, but that's largely it. So a Polak, looking to insult an African-American, will know to use the race card, but that's more than likely analogous to someone putting in question a woman's sexual mores as a means of getting at her. It's done because the offender seeks to offend, and estimates that this tactic will likely work, not because he actually thinks her overly promiscuous as such.
I have to say that you broke it all the way down. Thank you for the complex and well written comment.
Yes is terrible racism in Poland
The rhetoric about Poland being racist was created by our western neighbors who were trying to get Polish government to work with them that way. Our problems with race and foreigners ha a little different profile than say USA. It has more to do with lack of education than anything else. There is also some bigotry related to the catholic church and it varies from city to a city, but as long as you keep with liberals, you're fine.
What an utter horse shit.
>bigotry related to the catholic church
it's bullshit. Catholic Church is not racist and in Poland Church fights against racism, sometimes too much imo because people cannot relate to it in their daily lives and feel attacked and prejudiced even if they have not met any black people
most prejudices stem from Americanized pop culture and as reaction on idpol
do you think a white Americans experience racism in Poland because Their foreigner
Still I think you're brave. I know a couple polish people, mostly from older generations, that are very racist, not only towards black people, also towards Jews. The most ironic thing is, they probably never met a black or Jewish person in their life. Younger people seem to be more relaxed in this matter. I live in a city (Poznań), and you don't see many foreigners here, mainly around the campus or in the old town, and people with dark skin are very rare, Asian people are much more common sight.
Agree. And just wanna add one thing; even when those Poles don't like others, they are very rarely racist in physical or violent way. Usually their racism is only verbal. Don't think it's an excuse for it. It's still bad and shouldn't happen anyway...
przeczytaj Talmud to się dowiesz czegoś o Żydach. Nic do nich nie mam dopóki mnie nie oszukują. Natomiast w Talmudzie zobaczysz prawdziwą nienawiść do innych nacji, gdzie mówi, się nawet o braku kary za zabicie goja czy dziecka goja. Więc nie chrzań. Polecam pracę "Chrześcijanin w Talmudzie" oraz książkę Bestia cywilizacja nad przepaścią i wiele innych. I nie trza być katolikiem, muzułmaninem czy buddystą , żeby to zrozumieć. Mój mąż jest nie wierzący i za głowę się złapał jak to czytał.
@@monikawokowicka7142 Hmmm, Jak sie czyta z otwartym umyslem i krytycznym okiem teksty chrzescijanskie - w tym Biblie z Nowym Testamentem, to tez mozna osiwiec. Niestety, zeby to zrozumiec, trzeba wyjsc z wlasnej strefy komfortu, a to sprawia psychiczny bol. Talmud, Torah, Biblia, Ewangelie, Quran, Vedy... To sa teksty spisane na podstawie ustnie przekazywanych plemiennych legend. Przedstawiaja taki obraz swiata, jaki byl znany starozytnym nomadom i wypasaczom owiec. Taka tez oferuja moralnosc...
Mnie malo interesuje w jakie magiczne postacie wierzy dany czlowiek. Mnie interesuje jakim jest czlowiekiem i jakie sa jego czyny. A wiara.... coz, wspolczesny Katolik uchodzilby za heretyka jeszcze jakies 100 lat temu. Katolik z Polski, wierzy w inne rzeczy niz Katolik z Argentyny czy Filipin... Kazdy interpretuje swoje swiete ksiegi tak jak mu wygodnie...
Pozdrawiam serdecznie.
@@tjblues01 The Roots of Slavery
The term slave has its origins in the word slav. The Slavs (Polish ,Russian, Ukrainian Serbian, Bulgarian...)inhabited a large part of Eastern Europe, were taken as slaves by the Muslims of Spain during the 9 century AD and Muslims of Ottoman Empire from 12 to 20 century AD. So we Slavic people were taken to slavery before Black Africans all the way to 20 century and no body is giving shit about that.
he Ottoman penetration into Europe in the 1350s and their capture of Constantinople later in 1453 opened new floodgates for slave-trade from the European front. In their last attempt to overrun Europe in 1683, the Ottoman army, although defeated, returned from the Gates of Vienna with 80,000 captives.874 An immense number of slaves flowed from the Crimea, the Balkans and the steppes of West Asia to Islamic markets. BD Davis laments that the ‘‘Tartars and other Black Sea peoples had sold millions of Ukrainians, Georgians, Circassians, Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians, Slavs and Turks,’’ which received little notice.875 Crimean Tatars enslaved and sold some 1,750,000 Ukrainians, Poles and Russian between 1468 and 1694. 876 According to another estimate, between 1450 and 1700, the Crimean Tatars exported some 10,000 slaves, including some Circassians, annually-that is, some 2,500,000 slaves in all, to the Ottoman Empire.877 The Tatar slave-raiding Khans returned with 18,000 slaves from Poland (1463), 100,000 from Lvov (1498), 60,000 from South Russia (1515), 50,000-100,000 from Galicia (1516), during the ‘harvesting of the steppe.’ Numbers from Moscow (1521), 800,000 were taken and from Valynia (1676), 400,000 were taken. 800,000 from Moscow (1521), 200,000 from South Russia (1555), 100,000 from Moscow (1571), 50,000 from Poland (1612), 60,000 from South Russia (1646), 100,000 from Poland (1648), 300,000 from Ukraine (1654), 400,000 from Valynia (1676) and thousands from Poland (1694). Besides these major catches, they made countless more Jihad raids during the same period, which yielded a few to tens of thousands of slaves.878 These figures of enslavement must be considered in the context that the population of the Tatar Khanate was only about 400,000 at the time. (1463-1694) while sources are incomplete, conservative tabulation of the slave raids against the Eastern European population indicate that at least 7 Million European people-men, women, children were enslaved by Muslims.
Sources suggest that in the few years between 1436-1442, some 500,000 people were seized in the Balkans. Many of the captives died in forced marches towards Anatolia (Turkey). Contemporary chronicles note that the Ottomans reduced masses of the inhabitants of Greece, Romania, and the Balkans to slavery eg from Moree (1460)-70,000 and Transylvania (1438) - 60,000-70,000 and 300,000-600,000 from Hungary and 10,000 from Mytilene/Mitilini on Lesbos island (1462) (Bulgaru p 567) and so it continued.
Prejudice or ignorance more than racism exists in every country especially in Asian countries like in Japan is discriminating against anybody who is not a Japanese. And black people are too racist. The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and antisemitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, asians and jews ... Bobby Seale, a founding member of the original Panthers, called the organization "a black racist hate group." The white guilt is not going to work in Poland we never owned the slaves and we never owned the colonies like the Western European countries.
Dude u lucky u dont live in my city...
Which city do you live in ?
@@oratengmokone5582 In city when black know what he got white.
@@Rastlin. What do you mean?
In Poland being black is often equal to being rich expat from USA or UK. We tend to be much more racist against Arab or Roma people, often against Ukrainians (not so much after the war broke). Did you experience any shady or unpleasant situation with the police here?
I haven’t and I’m grateful. Thank you for you comment.
@@peterholmanwashington Mostly you are student of Polish college
@@supreme3376 I’m a student, but I’m primarily an English teacher that works with young learners.
Being polish, I honestly think the issue with Poland is xenophobia, rather than racism. Poles are prejudiced towards people of different nationalities, because of historical trauma that first was fueled by communist regime and then by right wing parties. Polish xenophobia can get a bit racey at times, but at it's core it has to more to do with someone being a foreigner
I'm the (Black) spouse of a Polish person and from my experience with my husband's family, I agree with you. I just had a conversation with my husband about it last week. Some of the older relatives are very xenophobic. It's more about being not Polish than race. Thank goodness they like me and I don't have to deal with it but I noticed how they treated other non Polish spouses.
Zastanawiam się jak rozumiesz pojęcie "rasizmu", zwłaszcza czy pogląd o tym że lepiej funkcjonują społeczeństwa jednolite etnicznie/kulturowo jest rasizmem?
Jeżeli tak, to chyba w bardzo wielu państwach jest rasizm, bo nie każdy może tam przyjechać, przyjąć obywatelstwo kupić nieruchomość i to wynika z regulacji ... także UE
Umielbiam jak dziecki polskie się w komentarzach chwalą angielskimi skillami
🇩🇪Germany in the house
as a person that lives in Germany and travel between Germany and Poland because of work I will tell you the two problems you have your skin color and the way you sound it's kind of like womanish
so they will be
interested in what's going on with you
and is always good if you speak the language
it has some racist people but not all Polish people are racist they are more inquisitive and they don't like cameras
but don't let anything stop you from your journey in life
Bro what type of Poles were you looking for in Poland??
a person like your style will be comfortable in Berlin
yes I have to agree with you with that one in Germany they would check black people identification they don't check why people because they are looking for foreigners who may be illegal there
how I know this is because I have been asked for IDs in nearly every train station here in Germany so it's a fact what you are saying
Nice channel bro keep it up, can you help someone planning to come to Poland? if you so pls dm me your email, I will appreciate thanks