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- Bioware already confirmed that Shepard survived Mass Effect 3 & might return in Mass Effect 4 or 5...10 years ago. Color me surprised, as one Bioware employee gave a detailed breakdown on the Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut DLC (way before Mass Effect Legendary Edition). This raises the possibility that Shepard could make a return in Mass Effect 4 (if we're lucky).
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I gotta admit, this was as big of a shocker to me as many others as I had no idea that this post existed before
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He's alive just like the Danish
You're a mass effect connoisseur and aficionado.
Why did you need that post? It was always obvious that Shepard survived the perfect destroy ending.
@@GarethOfByzantium GamerMD83 disagrees but she no longer does Mass Effect Content.
This is a reach but it does make since.
Shepard will always be alive, either in perfect ending or in our hearts.
Or in Control ending
@@phantomwraith1984 not really
I second this!
I always imagine shepherd survived and settled down with Tali building her that house she always wanted… Maybe I’m just an optimist but that’s my head cannon
Word!
Gamers : So.....how did he survive?
BioWare : He ducked
Bioware: somehow Shepard survived
@@MrHulthen 🤣 good one, Alex
Honestly at this point they should just play into, it like there's no fucking explanation they could give for how shepherd survived that would make any sense. Just be like ''damn shepherd that was some amazing stunt you pulled the survive last game" And then shepherd winks to the camera and then we never acknowledge it ever again and just move on.
BioWare: Biotics. Duh.
@@MrHulthen something Garrus still struggles with to this day 😭😭😭😭
Hoping there's no issues with development and the story is good, I want this game to give Shepard the happy ending they deserve.
Not everyone needs a happy ending.
@@snatched.377 Of course but Shepard certainly does. The ending of the third game failed to provide any epilogue or depth as a solution so the next entry should wrap it up. Seeing characters like Geralt in the Witcher getting a happy end to his story I think Shepard deserves the same fate.
Not everyone sure, But Shepard truly deserves a nice send off or a Happy Ending
@@classicslayer1888 People that want a happy ending can simply get the ending where he lives.
@@snatched.377 Ah yes the hollow ending with no proper conclusion. If they're going to be in the sequel then im saying they deserve a wrap up and a proper ending.
The farewells of Liara , Tali and Garrus are one of the saddest moments in the trilogy
Don’t forget Ash. Her’s definitely broke me
@@abdulbutlerjr.2194 She was my romance choice in my first "playthrough", but i don' t remember her farewell, probably i was distracted by what was happening.
I think Jenifer Hale said somewhere, probably in a stream interview, that she nearly cried while recording the farewell scene for Garrus and you definitely hear it in game. I'm not sure how it went for the other romance choices since I only romanced Garrus and saw a few other romance choice scenes, but damn, it really did make things sadder than what they already were.
@@undyne1 i know, in another video she said she was also moved with Liara' s romance, but she didn' t said what moment of the romance.
@@undyne1 anyway every romance is great, in my opionin is pretty said the fact that people argue about the romances, and wich is the best.
Shepard is like Master Chief, the series needs them.
Literally this is how I see it Shepard is The Master Chief of the Mass Effect Universe
As a long time Halo fan, I actually disagree. My favorite Halo game is Halo 3: ODST which has zero Chief in it whatsoever
@@dextergrif2019 that’s one game out of how many?
@@glowhoo9226 Reach, Halo 3: ODST, Halo Wars, Halo Wars 2, Halo: Spartan Assault, and Halo: Spartan Strike all don’t have Chief in it (outside of easter eggs). I love Chief but there’s so much more to Halo than just him, and unfortunately that has been limited by the idea that Halo absolutely needs Chief to be good. We haven’t been able to play as the Arbiter or as an ODST or hell a fucking Brute because the main character has to be Chief in every new release.
Yeah, never got invested into the Andromeda protagonist. Shepard (us) is the face of the franchise for sure.
I'm still firmly in the camp that Legendary Edition was released to make the ME3 saves compatible with ME4 for importation. I'm fully expecting (hoping) to see ME4 just added to the right of ME3 in the launcher on release day!
Had these same thoughts & why they slightly marketed them towards next gen consoles
I hope so 😃
My friend and I just had that conversation. Is MELE giving way for save state imports!
There won't be any save importing. Not after BioWare came up with Dragon Age Keep app, where you can emulate all your previous choices to get whichever savegame you want. They'll definitely roll out the same thing for ME4
@@endlessnoodle3056 Yea... Dragon age Keep. So many choices... So little differences.
Shepard and Tali in another game is the only way I’d ever preorder. 😅
I hope Shep and the old crew get one more adventure. Give everyone closure, maybe a happy ending, that lets us and the universe move forward with new casts without Shep being this elephant in the room.
Pre-ordering is a sin. Do yourself a favor and wait critics and reviews of players before buying a game
@@kims4149 Oh I don't typically, the concept is anti consumer, BUT if they announced Shep, Tali, Garrus, etc... are returning in the next game I would 100% pre-order. They're enough to be the exception to my rule.
@@kims4149what are you talking about? Its mass effect who not gonna play it cos of delusional critics
For me it'd have to include Shepard, Wrex and Garrus
@@ТАДАМ-ю4ж I didn't play andromeda. I wasn't interested because it didn't continue the trilogy, and then the critics put the nail in the coffin.
This is Shepherd's "one more story". But if I am being honest. I am a scared for the series. I hope that they get it right but I won't be pre-ordering anytime soon.
They already have my money 🤑😭
But! If its an anthem of a failure, that's it.
I feel ya. Pre-ordering has become a rare thing to do for me aswell nowadays, you'd basically have to know that the game is going to be great beforehand.
@@MrHulthen mass effect 2077
I’m usually always against pre-ordering buuuuuut… mass effect is my favorite series and I can’t help my self. They already got my money as far as I’m concerned
i think bioware will be able to survive until me4 if DA4 ends up being shit, but if me4 is shit bioware is dead in the water
This just makes Shepard's return more and more likely, even though we cannot say for sure whether they'll actually return. We can only hope :) Great video as always!
I'd love Shepherd to be back, but honestly I’d settle for an Admiral Shepherd filling the role of Hacket for the next generation. As long as it wasn’t a bit part, I’d still be happy.
This is what I feel is the most likely. They got Shepherd, they reunited with the LI, lived life, and are now busy doing other things, old, or passed. In the world, but not the MC anymore. A lot like how past characters are respected in Dragon Age games (although I'd prefer if it were a bit more significant). You play someone new, like the Stargazer kid who is rebuilding things, including a new N7 program. Liara/Broker is scrounging old tech to try and bring back the Geth to fight whatever the new thing is.
Or Councilor Shepard. He/she is probably the best human for the job - not a career politician but lots of experience in diplomacy, experienced leader, lots of respect from humans and aliens alike.
Shepard is the magic word for Mass effect, I clicked so fast on your video when I saw this
haha i've noticed xD thankfully this was worth making a video about
@@MrHulthen Yes it is aha, thanks for sharing these little things that can make a difference
It also still amazes me that bioware and their infinite wisdom was like, this is the end of a trilogy how do we cap off the protagonist story? "oh let's do a fucking 5 second postcredit scene of them taking a breath With no explanation, no context, and no follow up"
Yup, if you’re going to have Shep survive one ending at least go all in and show a scene following it where they get picked up by Normandy or something. As is it’s kind of half assed lol
Because it isn't the end. Period. There isn't closure because it isn't closed. Shep has huge draw. He is basically Batman now (but better). They would be insane not to capitalize on the character they have built.
@@RandomWandrer What are you talking about? bioware clearly wanted to move on from shepherd they literally set the next game in a completely different Galaxy.
@@Noschool100and failed miserably. as someone said once shep is the master chief of mass effect
@@trdrelaxingclips including shep wouldn't have saved andromeda.
I’m not ready to let my Shep+Garrus die! I need more, I need to see their adopted babies 😭
(The perfect ending is the only thing that made me not hate the end)
If shep is the playable character, and Tali isnt in this game, I refuse to romance anyone.
Likewise! I refuse to romance anyone other than Tali! She's a babe lol
Same here
That space muslim Tali is the only wife to have... Plus she has a shotgun. I want my scene of shepard and her on Rannock with their home and their son playing with a pet damn it! Fuck the science of interspecies breeding, he just survive the god damn destroy ending!
@@Soulmakka Muslim?
@@hyhena-gaming9986 Yeah lol. Her fashion sense and how she always says keelah or keelah sa lai. It reminds me of muslims
I always thought Shepherd lived, after watching the cut scene at the end, of buzz telling the story of Shepherd to the child.
After recounting his adventures of mass effect 1,2 & 3, the child asked for another story, so to me that implied there was more of his life to tell after defeating the reapers.
Also I don't see why destroy wouldn't be the canon ending, as that was the goal of Shepherd afterall.
Her goal was never to wiped out all synthetics only Reapers, that's the only problem I can see here, maybe that would be resolved by more information on what happened to the Geth (if they survived your story up to the end choice) and EDI.
@NicoNick As much as I can agree. It is unlikely for a normal human, but by the end of ME3 shep has a few edges up on most humans. The main one of note being the implants he was given by Cerberus in ME2. The second being the embodiment of luck is in his/her corner at that point in the game
@NicoNick He popped shield and barrier during the explosion. Fell to the planet. Then popped shield and barrier again before hitting the dirt. Anyone who says "how could Shep survive that explosion?" has forgotten ME has literal space-magic... :D
@@RandomWandrerDidn't survive the explosion and fall in ME2
We don’t know if Buzz told the child about Shepard’s full story from them chasing Saren across citadel space to their sacrifice in the reaper wars or if he just told the child about Shepard’s involvement in the reaper wars
Well it was obvious in me 3 when we all saw that sigh at the end of me 3,which was understandable that Shepard was alive, kinda reminds me ending in Mass Effect 1 like when I first played it and destroyed Sarren and squad were hit by that soveren debris, and I also thought that quote "what!? All that journey as Shepard, he can't die like this after going through all this,only to die like that,it can't be." And then at the end of me 1 Shepard is alive and kicking, so I think Bioware also thought like that,that Shepard just survived, just like in Mass Effect 1.
I can't watch that tali scene at the beacon without tearing up every time
Fastest I've come to any video ever, mass effect is life
This is why I want the next ME to open up with us "The Player" playing as a pilot for one of those small Air to Air fighter planes. Our temporary character crashes on the Citadel during the battle and makes his/her way to where Shepard is. During our exploration we come across the Illusive mans shuttle giving our temp. character a way off the citadel.
Now seeing that comment about giving our love interest hope they'll see Shepard again could lead in to one of these theories that Shepard is some how MIA. It will be very interesting to see what direction Bioware takes the future of ME in.
Hearing about this post made me rethink what we saw in the teaser. I have a theaory that Liara isn't THE ONE character that will play a big role in the next game. I think her appearence was more of a symbolic nature. She is one of the best known side characters and love interests in Mass Effect. Thus being a perfect symbol and stand in for (maybe) all possible love interests from the whole trilogy. Following that i'm assuming that it might be possible that we as the players could potentionally play the role of the love interest we've chosen in the previous games. While most of the story would be the same for everyone (searching for Shepard) there would be some character linked flashbacks and story bits. The story of the chosen charcter would likely take place shortly after ME3. Thats why there was no sign or indication of the Normandy or the rest of the crew in the teaser.. They would have their hands full helping rebuild the galaxy like we've seen it in the extended cut dlc.
That would be amazing! I love the idea of playing as a previous love interest :D
Liara was the only love interest that couldn't leave Shepard dead. She actually went out an found our remains, and gave them to Cerberus. In the slim hopes they could somehow bring us back. I'm pretty sure as the shadow broker she used her connections and network to retrieve the clones body after it chose to let go of the shuttle ramp after Brooks and the clone stole the Normandy. Liara is a very practical Asari in love with a hero with a penchant for sacrificing themselves, and the clone stated Cerberus created the clone in case Shepard needed another arm or leg or kidney, (or body?). That the clone was Shepard without Shepards memories or life experiences. Maybe the clone is now in some shadow broker bunker in a tank like Grunt was created in, and suspended inside being taught Shepards memories and Liaras using her embrace Eternity magic to give Shep the feeling of actually having a connection with living those memories and experiences. Liara is the best bet for Shepard to be brought back. The destroy ending shows a rubble covered body taking a breath, so we survived, but sythisis and control uses Sheps body and molecular components as part of the solution. So a body would be needed to bring us back. Oh look a perfect genetic body match. Miranda has already shown she can bring a brain dead person back and have them be the person they were. The protheans could make an exact copy of the minds of an individual and imprint it on a VI, Vigil, Victory, and Vendetta were all examples. Everything is already in the story to accomplish Shepards survival and it would take little work to seamlessly bring it all together in the next installment of the Mass Effect universe. It's just a cut scene and interactive comic away from happening if we are lucky.
@@girlinvt You're right. There are multiple theoretical ways how Shepard could return. But i believe that the destroy ending is the only ending that could open up these possibilities.
The ending in which you let the reapers win is definitely no option. It's the same witch the synthesis ending. In this Shepard loses their body, mind and everything they ever were. I believe that there is no way to recover. The control ending is also problematic because Shepard loses their body and their mind takes the place of the star child. Even if someone could clone Shepards mind it would be very weird to have two Shepards which are in fact the same person. This only leaves the destroy ending as an option which makes the most sense. Not only is it the ending in which Shepard is shown alive, it is also the most logical pick for Shepard storywise.
Despite Liara being the only one trying to save Shepard (which doesn't mean that other crew members whouldn't have tried if they had the same resources as Liara) i don't think that Bioware is going this dark path in which the clones mind will be taken over by Shepard. Even if the clone survived it wouldn't be in the nature of anybody of the crew. This would only be possible if Paragon/Renegade choices would be transferred to the next Mass Effect. In this case it might very well be the case that someone is ruthless enough to make this decision. But doing so would complicate a lot of things. This is why i believe that if Shepard returns Bioware is going with a fresh start for them.
@@TarrusTxT in the Control ending Shepard merges with the star child, so Shep inst who they used to be once that occurs, they are now a new entity, with Sheps strongest personality traits in control. As it is Shepard has shown thru 2 other games that if the option is available to save the Geth or EDI she would do so. There are theories that because they are both sentient programs using synthetic bodies, that they might have been able to survive by retreating back to the storage/data centers. Edi back to her Normandy AI core, the Geth back thru FTL com arrays to the data center they were building over Rannock. I agree I like the destroy option better than any other one. It's also the easiest to continue with, all they would need to do is use the options they used in Legendary Edition. If you didnt play ME1 the interactive comic allowed you to chose what choices you made previously. I didnt play the original version so I'm not sure if the comic option was available for 2 or 3 in the original release. The comic choice options could easily save a player from a total loss of Shepard if they chose the Control or Synthesis ending and they were not the preferred choice for a Canonical ending.
Why just a stand-in? Couldn't it be a case of Liara continuing to crush on and pine for Shepard over the centuries, despite of who Shep romanced in his/her final days? The like of it often happens in the real world.
We can always hope that we will get that ending eventually and settle with Tali in that house in Rannoch
thats pretty interesting my head cannon for perfect destroy is that Shepard and LI found each other again
I better be playing as Shepard next game
i never used to understand people who desperately want shep to come back in me4. for the longest time, i found myself angry at the thought, because i felt like shepard's death is the ultimate conclusion to the trilogy, and should open up the franchise for further expansion. i'm still angry at ea and bioware for not finishing andromeda and giving us what was promised, but now that i've completed my most recent playthrough of the trilogy and seen it through more mature eyes, i now understand wanting shep back. i want shep back too. there's no shepard without vakarian :( i just want closure to the series, *all* of the stories in the series.
Andromeda happened because BioWare thought Mass Effect and Dragon Age were similar enough so they could give us new main characters and we'll care. Turns out, nobody cares about Mass Effect without Shepard.
@@endlessnoodle3056 I would argue that we *can* care, but after giving us a badass like Shep and instead we get early 20's smartass instead, we nope right out of there.
Add to that the bugs, dodgey animation and a confusing storyline and, well, 🤷♀️
I would much rather have played as Daddy Ryder than as one of his immature offspring.
@@sarasunshinemt4444 nah, they're suffering from success there after making Shepard way too awesome. Genuinely can't imagine a possibility where I could tolerate any character other than Shepard as Mass Effect's protagonist.
...Ok, maybe I could, but my headcanons about human-quarian hybrids are way beyond the point.
@@endlessnoodle3056 Same here! :D
@@endlessnoodle3056 if they could make a MC that we could care about (without just 4 paragon dialogue choices)... and a crew that we could care about then i think it could work without shep... its not like they gave us that in Andromeda. (a few Andromeda crew members were decent i guess)
I do want my Shepard to survive and for him to build a home with Tali on Rannoch.
But that's where I want it to end. I want Shepard and Tali to live happily ever after. Now I want Bioware to give a new hero the spotlight.
By far the best aspect of Mass Effect is the Galaxy they built and the characters that inhabit it.
By all means, you can mention Shepard and maybe give a clue as to how their lives went post Reapers. But now it's time to pass the torch and give us the opportunity to fall in love all over again with a new generation.
I've never done a Garrus romance or completed a Tali romance in ME3 and seeing how Shepard and Tali spoke to each other after retreating back to the normandy that sscene almost made me cry. I'm very much looking forward to these two romances.
I want my Shepard to have the happy ending he deserves....with Kaidan. They all fought for so long. They need their happy endings. Tali deserves her beach front property. Garrus needs to see his dad and sister again. I would love some references to Shepard in the next game. I remember hearing the Turian distress call in Ryder's dad's logs and we hear that Reaper. That still gives me goosebumps!
Especially if you are a M!Shep, the Kaidan romance feels so longed for, just to end it like that...And don't forget that our Shep says "I love you" for the first time only at the departing scene too! Ughh
@@Ann-wu4uq I can get behind MShep and Kaidan. Though, imo he doesn't feel right with FShep. I think because think it's because FShep has that potential sour history.
@@kibou2357 Agreed! I also like how it felt slower and more developed with M!Shep and Kaidan romance than it felt with F!Shep even though there were more actual scenes with them. I think the reason for that is that it kinda starts off as a "hook up thing" in the first game with F!Shep and yet comes off as "I have been in love with you all this time but now I only had the courage to tell you so because it is the end of the world" with M!Shep in the third game and I fucking love that. Especially after the conflict with Kaidan and the Cerberus situation at the second game, it carries that slow burn so well and makes the third game romance so meaningful and touching.
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I thought that the scene of Shepard breathing at the end of Mass effect 3, destroy ending with a high enough galactic readiness level would be proof that Shepard did indeed survive?
It gotta be or Bioware is headless on what logic to follow. Control is unclear and trappy at best, Synthesis is basically deciding for all beings a merger, if you dont like that, well sucks to be a synthetic or biological that want to stay pure
I just finished the game with this ending, and I wasn't confident that Shephard would be alive for long; he wouldn't be in the best of health, and I don't know how the Normandy would traverse such a far distance-and in anywhere near a reasonable amount of time-to get to him, seeing as the mass relays were destroyed.
I hope this “One More Story” the Stargazer spoke of is the definitive end to the Reaper saga, does not take place before Mass Effect 3, and lets me have one more adventure with my favorite sicc girl.
crazy idea, what if mass effect 4/5 allows you to play as multiple backgrounds
- asari shepard: the daughter of liara and shepard, if you accepted the gift
- krogan shepard: if wrex survived and you cured the genophage, then named one of his sons after you
- actual shepard: if you survived perfect destroy
- clone shepard: what if clone shepard didn't die in the Citadel ending and had a change of heart?
- quarian shepard: adopted son/daughter of shepard and tali
- turian shepard: adopted son/daughter of shepard and garrus
This is good but you would need a crap ton of actors to voice all these different species wich would also take a lot of time.
@@AG26498 lol, yah the game will need like 6+ yrs (add 4 more years for no bugs, since newer AAA games have been doodoo with that) to make if the game will be THAT open to players
Well I can only say this, if the old crew is coming back as teasers say: There is no Shephard without Vakarian. It works both ways
Agreed, I would not play a Mass effect with Shepard in it if Garrus is not there either, it would be very hard without Wrex, Tali and Liara too but without Garrus ? No way.
You can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard (not a tank!!) but you never be better than Commander Shepard! 💪
Should show tali/ shepherd married & chilling on Ranoch
"Tell me another story about the Shepard. It's getting late, but okay, one more story..."
All I want is one final ride with Shepard and the surviving crew with a nice happy ending or a horrible one depending on your choices from previous games assuming they matter.
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I have a feeling that the plot of ME4, or at least a supporting plot, will revolve around Shepard trying to figure out the exact details of what happened in the crucible rather than the consequences of the endings themselves. In other words its like this: The crucible fired, the Reapers are either annihilated or scattered, and an amnesiac Shepard runs around the galaxy rounding up people who knew him to help fill in the gaps. This means Bioware (in theory) could retcon the endings (especially control or synthesis) and replace them with one true ending, and Shepard is simply trying to put the pieces back together in the story of what he did up there, which would also piece together other details that might change how the galaxy looks in ME4 (Genophage, Quarian/Geth war, Rachni, etc) and how those plots might effect the new storyline.
TL;DR - every ending was canon except refusal (its treated like the "Everyone Dies" ending in ME2), but not to the extent as it might be portrayed in ME3 after the final choice was made.
Compare to Daggerfall's endings and the Warp in the West for endings and the subplots in the Witcher 1 and 2 which are about Geralt's amnesia.
So basically another ME2? Another "Omg Shepard I thought you were dead" type of deal?
@@thespianmask well if shepherds alive that’s the story you can expect. But I mean In the destroy ending you do see sheprards chest inhale oxygen so if they use the destroy ending shep being alive isn’t all to far fetched
Fascinating hypothesis...
The Synthesis ending would be the most appropriate to serve as a "Dragon Break".
I always thought about a similar story except you play as a new protagonist tasked with finding out what happened to Shephard. The Reapers were destroyed/retreated, but they never found a body for Shepherd.
Liara would be in a role similar to Illusive Man in 2 where she's paying the new protagonist to look for clues and stuff, and your investigation takes you to old characters and whatnot. Would also give the opportunity to play as different races.
That means "destroy" is the canon ending
With the lack of closure with the ending, I'm definitely willing to give bioware another shot at redemption with Shepard. Even if Shepard is just passing on the torch that would be good enough for me.
He's been confirmed alive since the ending of ME 3. I saw him breath and his nameplate was never placed on the Normandy Memorial.
I genuinely don’t care if Shepard is not the main character, I just want to know what happened. Did he/she survive? Did the Normandy crew find him/her? I want to know the fate of the Milky Way after the war.
I Also want to know if Krogans are singing about us[Shepard] Like Garrus Promised us! :D
Perfect destroy ending is the only logical canon ending already. They should make it canon. I can write an essay about why perfect destroy ending is the canon ending let's just say synthesis and control endings are simply Shepard being indoctrinated. Reapers want synthesis ending so bad and they are also ok with control ending. The only ending harbinger ( starchild, catalyst is the harbinger in fact ) did not want is destroy ending.
Javik warned us about this in Mass Effect 3. Javik says to us we should do what we set out to do when it's time and we should not change our minds. Javik says, you should destroy reapers when you have the chance in future, you should not choose to do something else. In short develepors let us know destroy was only canonical ending through Javik.
There are countless more reasons why perfect destroy ending is the canon ending.
It would be pretty cool to see shepherd and company try to prevent the thing that's happening in Andromeda(as unfrozen in the future)and potentially learn why the reapers reaped, and what happens if they don't
The reason why they reaped was already explained. As was the alternative. I'll put it in a different but amusing way. They reaped for the same reason Elon musk wants to get humanity to colonize Mars . That reason is because it's life insurance for life all life. The reaper mandate is to prevent synthetics extermining organic sentience. Elon musk in a different way yet still life insurance for life. In his case should something be catastrophic for humans and other creatures on Earth the hope is that spreading to Mars would one day also lead to the preservation of animal and plant life on Earth.
I may be misremembering but last time I played the perfect destroy ending, one difference from the other endings was that when the camera pans over Shepard's body next to his N7 helmet in the wreckage there is a brief second where Shepard draws a breath right before the scene cuts :)
I basically already knew Shepard survived based on the information presented to us in-game that was mentioned in this post. Kinda hard to skip over that info. As for which ending is canon, while it's not exactly clear which ending is canon, it's been implied through what little we have that Destroy is the canon ending
Destroy just _feels_ canon.
The camera focuses on the look of grim determination with gritted teeth as Sheperd blows it all up, which is how Sheperd has been through the entire trilogy: ready to put themselves on the line just to end it all once and for all...
Control implies the Player was wrong all along because the Illusive man was right and makes half the game redundant if it is canon.
The third option of letting the cycle continue is just... Well it really means that all of your efforts were for nought in the 3 previous games and that is not ideal marketing.
@@11Survivor I've always thought Destroy was the true ending anyway. It's the only ending that ever seems to provide closure between Shepard and their love interest
who else hates the change to the ME ending with the Normandy arriving to evacuate wounded?
It always took me out of immersion. Harbringer is just standing there and he's doing nothing, when THE NORMANDY is in sight. Not to mention I think Shepard and the others would have decided against wasting time to evac, when the rush to the beam is the only way to save the galaxy
Yeah, I played it recently and I was really bothered by that. Shep and Liara are standing there on the ramp having a moment, and I'm sitting there like "Hurry it up, before we get frakin' reaped!"
Considering that the "Shepard is alive" ending is the hardest to get, it makes sense. I do, however, do think it's interesting that the kill AI route has to be canon then.
I can definitely see Shepard's last story before finally retiring. I could see him becoming a part of the Council as its Human Representative or he/she can fully retire with their Romance seeing their worlds repairing slowly. Gives it a Hopeful feeling for the future and at peace.
I am so thankful for your real deep passion about Mass Effect series. Also glad to hear contents related to it. You are a special gift for this beloved series and people who felt in love with . Please keep on creating new contents. But kindly in my opinion i prefer Shepard is dead. İ believe that his/her story is over. It was beautiful and glorious path but story must continue without him/her for a fresh restart.
Thank you for the kind words! Hey, that's fine. Part of me feels the same way, no matter what I'm just hoping for a great story : )
I don't want Shepard dead, but yes, the series can and must move on from her. The concept of Andromeda wasn't bad, a fresh start, but the execution was horrible.
Shep's story can be over with him/her still being alive. Just show us something like him settling down somewhere after calling it quits on military life(and saving the galaxy on at least two/three separate occasions).
He better had survived ... i didnt spend over 300hrs to not see it through
I choose the synthesis ending. So my Shepard is totally dead.... but she met Thane on the other side of the ocean, so she's alright.
Very polite of Harbinger to just sit there and let Shepard say their goodbyes.
Reading some comments here and i have to agree. I used to belive that it was time for the universe to move on from shep. Andromeda changes my view a lot but still belived it was the right direction . But after doing a full depth playthru of the legendary edition, man shepard is like chief and cortana. i cant see it without them.
I respect all opinions, but for me, I invested so much emotions on shep that I AM Shepard. People who still think is best to move to another character might see Shep as just a Character. I see Shepard in first person, we are Shepard and we want to continue our story man
I mean it's still just wait and see, like I remember bioware confirming that shepherd does live in the easter egg ending back then But it isn't like they were invisioning a future game where that mattered.
Not to mention the existence of andromeda and a desire to incorporate that has changed the calculus that they may have had if they were going straight from mass effect 3.
I love the final rush to the beam, it was the moment we have prepared for all the game... it is so dramatic and heavy in emotions. As much as I want to play Shepard again, I also think she deserves to rest, and cure all the mental and physical damage she received during this war, or rest in death in peace... so I don't know (but could Shepard not throw herself in any new battle to come, given her character?). ME without playable Shepard is not ME to me, I just hope that BioWare would take time to think it well. I also cannot think of any other possible canonized ending other than destroy (preferably perfect destroy, as it means that the player took his/her time to play), it was all the time the real objective to the mission, as Hackett said when you tell him that TIM wished to control the Reapers, he stated firmly that destroying the Reapers, and destroying only is the goal. All the other outcomes it fulfilling the star child's wish, because the Reapers survive and the child's goal, so how could they be canon (if they decide to canonize any ending of course)? Anyway, it is great news, thank you for bringing it up to us! I wish that BioWare itself gave us any update... They should have hired you the moment they announced ME4.
Damn, I just found this channel yesterday and finished the trilogy. Here I am a day later with this amazing news that you all have been waiting so long to hear. Love your channel, ill be watching and waiting as eagerly as everyone else for the new Mass Effect!
I like to imagine they are doing ANOTHER trilogy to explore all three endings. Def not gonna happen but I don't think they have said that's NOT what they are gonna do 🤔🤔
God i hope we play as him again. I dont want a new character i want my glorious plank of wood back.
I want Shepard to stay Alive, living in Ranoch with Tali and some childs, but maybe in the new game I rather want him as a supportive character than the main character again (Sorry for my English)
Love the set up in the background, been awhile since I’ve seen a video of yours on my feed, and glad you’re still doing Mass Effect videos thank you for this
That scene with Tali 😭😭😭 how can anyone NOT romance her!? 😲🤯
Tali is everything. Part 4 better be Shepard and Tali or I'm not buying.
No, ashley and shepard are the best romance in my opinion! Liaras boring and Miranda would be 2nd then maybe Tali🤣
@@Sandman5O2Dang you had Tali, Liara, and Miranda on your ship and you went for Ashley? Idk man
@@tip3593 yea bro there was a few times i cheated on ashley with miranda because i’m crazy for a woman with an english accent, but i don’t like that it results in Miranda’s death when you ditch her in ME3
@@Sandman5O2 miranda's accent is australian lmao
I think shepherds role in the game will be mentor to the players character.
I see a lot of talk about a "canon" ending. No ending has to be canon, you can just explain it with a branching timeline. The destroy ending is the only ending that would let you play as Shepard again so all Bioware has to do is say "this follows the destroy timeline" and maybe they can explore more options with a game following control, synthesis and refusal.
This is actually a genius suggestion which could honestly work and be good for their monetisation.
You have to make a canon ending.
It would take too much work and time to account for all different endings.
Especially if we choose the refusal ending, then there would be an entirely new setting far into the future with new species fighting the reapers
Refusal? That would mean a completely diffrent setting and completely diffrent species set in the far future.I guess some people might have made it out like some Protheons survived. But not sure where the story could go with 99.99% of life destroyed. I guess the plot could be to destroy the reapers to stop the cycle from occuring to any future species. But that is essentially the plot of the other mass effect games except this time nobody is alive.
@@drlukas4242 refusal is a meme ending. Fairly sure he is talking about the main three
@@FuFightersStudio Well he does say refusal. ' with a game following control, synthesis and refusal.'
But shepard is still breating in his last scene
That would be pretty interesting and cool. I wish it will turn out to be true and we see shepard again
Shepard is a survivor. Battle of the Citadel, destruction of the Normandy SR-1, the omega 4 relay, collector base suicide mission, the attack of earth, final confrontation with Illusive man, star child nonsense and lots more in between. If there's one thing Shepard is good at, it's defying the odds and surviving.
It doesn't have to be perfect destroy.
In Control ending, Shepard is technically still alive. It's conciseness is tied to the Reapers.
If they got him a new body (which is possible due to Citadel DLC plotline) they can just upload his "soul" back into his body and viola.
Honestly, the only ending that will not be cannon is synthesis ending as that would change way too much.
You do realize that with complete control of the Reapers, this removes any sort of possible, interesting complications that would require the same, cover-based shooter gameplay to resolve, right? Another alien attack from a species not native to the galaxy? Send a Reaper after them. Done.
"Oh no the invading force can deactivate Reapers!" Then they should have invaded a long time ago. They wouldn't be scared of Reapers if they have the power to deactivate them.
@NicoNick I forget where I heard it because I've never done a Renegade Control ending, and only did the Paragon Control ending years ago, but apparently his ending monologue is a bit... dictator-y? I could definitely see him taking over the Reapers as corrupting him or some shit so a new protagonist with the og Normandy Crew has to find another way to take him and the Reapers down.
But yeah, it looks like Perfect Destroy ending is the canon one for now.
Control is a insidious, uncertain choice a trap. Synthesis is you deciding against all otherswill/ or for every damn being in the galaxy that they have NO say in that you mix synth and biological life. Destroy is raw, rough but honest and blows only when it comes to the Geth getting wiped and you strived for them and Quarians to live in peace. BUT synths can be rebuilt, Shepard sure have some tech thanks to Cerberus but survives
@@thespianmask We do not know what course the next game will take, but having some other force more powerful than Reapers appear is not out of question. They may be using dark matter as a main weapon or something else as powerful. Maybe Shepard that controls the Reapers will be the villain and the one that you upload your conciseness to will be the main protagonist.
Who knows? I know that we are not asked for opinions and that we can just love or hate new story so there is no need to be dramatic like fans were over Andromeda.
You guys didn’t see the very end of ME3? Of course he is (was?) alive
Why did you put that scene with Tali again? Makes me cry again ...
Ah, yes.
Landing on earth with the SR2.. WHICH CANT LAND ON PLANETS!
Minor correction - can only land on planets with more difficulty due to its larger size/mass. And the games really never go into detail where the upper limit for frigates is, anyway. They don't, for example, say if it could land on a 1G planet, but not on a 1.5G planet or something. Obviously, 2G and higher is almost definitely out of question.
All I know for certain is that cruisers and bigger, not counting Reapers, are incapable of performing planetary landings.
I just want them as an advisor and get them a happy ending for those who want that. As I want a new character and new companions and romances. I feel like no one will do a new romance their first run if Shepard was the for runner. As people want them to be with their past romances. I want them to do what DA does at least starting now. So we have new characters but it doesn’t throw away the old.
As much as my beloved Synthesis ending would be more interesting to me as a sci fi fan, I do think they'll probably have to make perfect destroy canon.
Based on the Mass Effect Trailer which featured the return of Liara, from the narrative that was on show, it seemed to me that the perfect destroy ending was made the cannon from all the derbis field of the mass relays and the citadel, also it framed Liara as the person who is looking for Shepard because she is shown to be on a snowy planet, the same one which I link has the wreckage of the Normandy SR1 since there’s a piece of Shepards old ME1 armour there.
Never clicked on a video so fast in my life 😂
Hey Mr. Hulthen- I wanted to note that I personally believe that the "Shepard breathes" scene happens on the Earth's surface. How did Shepard get to Earth? I think he must have survived reentry inside a piece of the Citadel or Crucible. I say this because in the Low EMS Destroy ending, we see a soldier without any breathing apparatus looking through some rubble who finds an N7 helmet. Behind the soldier are clouds that look like gray Earth clouds with what looks like sunbeams coming through them. The implication to me is that this is the same pile of rubble that we see the breathing Shepard on in the "perfect" ending.
Given that liara is going to be in the next mass effect game, I think a great way to give Shepard one final farewell is to have liara recount a memory of Shepard's last moments to the next games protagonist, be it Ryder or someone new. I can see it playing out as the Normandy crew finding Shepard in the wreckage of the citadel. Then they can have a scene where Shepard gets to say their true final goodbyes to the crew and their friends. A bonus thing here would be to let the player control the dialogue in this hypothetical flashback scene for extra feels. Of course I still think Shepard should die here at the end of this scene, because 1: though they survived they got to be barely hanging on, and it could even be played off like they were hanging on just long enough to see their friends/love interest one last time and to make sure they made it out. and 2: Shepard's story is over and they just need to be put to rest, I really think that bringing back Shepard for the next game as a protagonist would be a disservice to the narrative of the trilogy, but having this flashback scene where you control Shepard one last time would be the perfect send off.
Before I watch the video I just wanted to do state that what they should do is instead of directly bringing back Commander Shepard, they should have a new character who could be any playable species who quickly turns out to be a REINCARNATION of Commander Shepard!!!
This way you could create a new character who is, let's say a asari or even maybe a krogan and then perhaps in the first mission of Mass effect 4 you're character gets Mass effect 1 beacon style flashbacks of being Commander Shepard after some kind of a injury!!!
Now you are both!!! Commander Shepard, AND somebody new!!! And you don't have to rationalize his survival!!!
At most I hope shepard becomes an advisor or a "spiritual" presence. I just really want playable races 😂
Which would be Canon shep?
@@DrJellyFanguzzz shouldn't be a Canon shep imo. Hopefully they'll do a save transfer or something like dragon age keep. But if they can't I think they should leave shepards fate open with hints or links to either type of shepard.
@@corypheusb1027 if that could be done in a storyline while potentially talking about sheps legacy, because you know bloodline would for sure be a callback at some point
I mean even if he was dead can't they just lazarus his ass like in ME2?
if you get enough war assets, he breathes at the end of destroy ending and moves through the rubble
I am kind of hoping to play one of Liara's and Shepard's blue baby soldiers in the next one since I romanced her.
Well,in my 1st play through wayyyy back went part 3 was released, he opened his eyes and took a breath in the very last cut screen.
Of course Shep is alive. He/She drew breath. On screen. You all saw it. It's not unbelievable at all (in the contect of ME, which is basically space-magic). Shep popped shield and barrier during the explosion. Fell. Then popped shield and barrier again before hitting the dirt. Star child said one more story. And the fact the ME3 didnt give any closure on Shep, is because Shep's story isnt closed. It's obvious to me. Finally, we have already seen this situation at the end of ME2, where there are possible endings with Shep dead. These endings DO NOT import into ME3. Remember? It will be the same with ME3; only the Destroy ending will import to continue the story. Solved.
they could bs that Shep survived both imperfect and perfect destroy, arguing that shepard breathing was just a bonus for completionists and that he always survives destroy, making it the canon ending and much more accessible to be imported should he be the protag in the next game as ME3 just sends you back to final save after completion, so anyone can just do the last part again if they didnt pick destroy on their favourite shepard. if he's not the protagonist it could just alter how the galaxy played out and how characters remember him in the future. would be awesome if you romanced liara for her to have unique lines about shep in the new ME, maybe even having children after the final love scene
Mass Effect without Shepard is not Mass Effect. It's the steaming pile of Kalros excrement known as Andromeda.
Well I already knew shepherd survived in mass effect 3
Yeah this post was made several years ago on the old Bioware forums that Shepard is indeed alive in the destroy ending with the breath scene
Something they could do is at the beginning of the next ME game is have a choice to choose which ending you picked for me3, or load your me3 save? That way your game could be impacted based on that choice still rather than bioware making one ending cannon. It would probably be tricky and limiting for the writing aspect but it's one way they could do it if they wanted to imo
Played through the Trilogy more times that my fingers i count. I only ever got Shepard lives with his Hand coming out of the rubble once.
I find it a bit funny that when showing and narrating the post by Tully we clearly see a Tali romance playthrough in the background as both names sound very similar
I understand the reason why the term "The Love interest" is used but it just sounds so cold
Especially after everything me and Liara have been through
It would be a great nod to address the love interest reunion in 5 in a 'Shep lives' scenario. I am also going under the assumption that 5 takes place a significant amount of time after 3. Using the pretext of old footage on a terminal somewhere seeing the aftermath on Earth. Including moments like Shep reuniting with the surviving crew and reconstruction efforts. A news video of the Normandy finally reaching Earth. With a heavily bandaged Shep there to greet them, only to get fly tackled by love interest. Throw a dress hat on Shep and add in some clever camera angles and lighting and they can ignore Sheps appearance. The following commotion would be an excuse to help keep Shep obscured from the camera and avoid needing to give him/her a face.
If you wait till after the credits, there is a small scene where you see his N7 chest piece in some rubble. Then close up, then Shepherd takes a breath. I'm shocked this is still being debated. 😆
I think it would be a cool plot point in the next Mass Effect game to see all of the races working towards rebuilding after the Perfect Destroy ending. Sure, the Synthetic races may be wiped out, but who's to say there are no backups and what-not? I dunno I just hope Bioware doesn't fumble the ball
I honestly would absolutely LOVE to see the Normandy lifting off from that unknown planet and returning to Earth to find Shepard, similar to what we see in the Happy Ending Mod(s). I think it would make a wonderful segue into the new game's storyline. Also, I have seen articles written where Bioware has confirmed that in the 'perfect Destroy ending' AKA the 'Shepard Lives Ending' that Shepard does, indeed, survive.
After playing HorizonFW BioWare needs to bring there A game.
I keep hearing people saying that Liara has "Wrinkles" in the trailer but I don't believe that, I just think that the trailer was created using a better engine than the 10 year old original trilogy thus adding more detail to her face. Also in the Legendary Edition she has some wrinkles around her eyes.
“Don’t leave me behind” hits so hard
I recently played through the game again with the Legendary edition and got the Perfect Destroy ending just by luck. With that being said, I don't see why Bioware couldn't make it a canon ending and start for a new game. Granted, it would take considerably more legwork to have the next game shaped around our choices, haven't they already been doing this all along since the start of ME2? Logically speaking, Bioware having multiple endings in a game sets forth the want/possibility of having that be canon if you import your playthrough from ME3, like I plan to if allowed. It would further everyone's connection to the franchise knowing their personal experience is being continued on a new adventure. What do you think @MrHulthen?