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Buddy you do realize the different devs work for different companies right? What goes on in one studio has literally nothing to do with a different studio One thing you always have to keep in mind is look at the track record of the studio / developers actively working on the game. Ubisoft has had a CONSISTENT track record since roughly 2016 of working on absolute trash tear agenda-driven bullshit. Compare that to sucker Punch who has had a VERY consistent track record of doing the exact opposite. Consistently putting out banger after banger and even recently with Ghost of tsushima you can look at how they handle a strong female co-lead. They handled it perfectly and delivered a fantastic piece of work! So I'd say it's pretty safe to assume we're in the clear with getting a good game on this one.
As usual, actman doesn't see the elephant in the room. It isn't a 'cry wolf' scenario if the wolf was actually there more often than not. If the boy in the story had this kind of success rate in calling out the wolf, villagers would've recognized the pattern and made him the official village scout.
Right, but pattern recognition doesn't mean you've recognized an actual pattern when it happens. I think a more appropriate description of what we do is the following : Do you know that game where a person starts drawing and you have to guess what they are drawing, and you say what it ''is'' before it's finished? We are basically good at "filling things in". The person might end up drawing something completely different from what you say they are doing, but we fill in anyway. And that's why learning about causality, and how to withhold your first thoughts and think about them first is useful. To regulate your tendency to fill things in and/or freely associate anything to be connected , to check how valid or likely it is whatever conclusions you are making with the little bits you have, or are you premature in your conclusions and instead withhold making conclusions/ignore your initial impressions recognizing it's not based on enough info. Same mechanism is involved in becoming racist or superstitions etc. Always based on some bits of actual experience since no one truly completely makes shit up, BUT we fill things in if we don't take a step back and examine what we are doing.
@@nubbyfresh5623three points to consider: 1. Ghost of Tsushima had low-key woke. No attractive women for one and there was a prominent old lesbian samurai character. 2. It's not just the studios and devs...Sony has a heavy hand in all 1st party studios and they're all in on woke. 3. Games have long development cycles...GoT came out in 2020...was most likely in development since 2015. The woke started ramping up in 2016 so you can see the start of it in GoT...but it's REALLY ramped up since 2020... just look at the shocking difference between God of War 2018 to Ragnarok. Time will tell but given the performance artist chosen for the lead and that this is Sony...I will be genuinely surprised if the game doesn't have some heavily subversive themes. Last thought...given Sucker Punch's pedigree I'm sure it will be gorgeous with polished fun gameplay...but the best propaganda is made so that you'll love it. Arcane comes to mind...well done artful and masterful propaganda is still propaganda.
"Female protagonists aren't the issue, its the inauthentic way that the industry has handled "inclusivity" over the last few years that has caused players to recoil at the sight of anything that resembles it." You absolutely nailed it here.
But tbf this character isn't some woke DEI thing at all, and is just expanding on the world. Her being a woman isn't going to negatively impact the story in any way, and its set in a completely different area for a reason. Them going away from the main character is them signaling they want to make the "Ghosts of ___" a thing. This could open up so many GOOD things, Imagine a "Ghosts of Cardiff" or some other place in Europe with a focus on medieval combat. I feel like people have started with the idea that this will be bad because of a female protagonist, and are finding evidence for that and nitpicking everything. I feel this isn't throwing away our fan favorite characters, as it is expanding on the world they already have. Unless they kill him off in the first 10minutes of the game, its almost a guarantee that we'll see him again. Like he came to the conclusion in the video, we really just gotta wait and see, but if I had to bet money on this, its going to be a great game, and a GOTY contender.
@@0h_hey944 the character might not be, but the voice actress categorically is. Don't play dumb by willfully ignoring why people are pointing DEI out. It's easy to say everything's fine when you live with horse blinders on.
@@bwhere45 _"the character might not be, but the voice actress categorically is. Don't play dumb by willfully ignoring why people are pointing DEI out. It's easy to say everything's fine when you live with horse blinders on."_ Are you sure that you want to die on that hill ? You use this word DEI, a word that you yourself have never use before until you heard it being use by someone else. You then regurgitate a word that you don't even understand its meaning and its origin. Here's a hint the word DEI is in the context that you were just regurgitating, its origin is from conservative politic. Conservative incels basement dwellers use it to put down woman. Now ask yourself this: Am I also one of those Conservative incels basement dwellers ?
You just nailed it, my man. Nothing wrong with female protagonists, but activist game designers have turned it into a red flag. People need to wait until they know more before judging the game, but being suspicious at this point is completely justified.
I don’t think having a female protagonist is a “modern audience “ ( critical drink TM) problem. Samus was female and well loved Ripley in alien is well loved. Jin was a very bland character in my opinion While I don’t think odyssey is the best AC game I do like Kassandra as a protagonist And this is coming from a 20 year Warcraft player who doesn’t play female or body type 2(lol) models
Nah, you should be able to use basic critical thinking to understand the context of seeing a woman or a minority in the wild. If your first thought is that it's gotta be pandering, you're still part of the problem.
@@Halfort57The first game ALREADY aligned with her politics. One of the most prominent characters in Tsushima is Lady Masako, an older 50-plus year old warrior woman who banged younger chicks on the side. Literally nothing we’ve seen about Yotei betrays the spirit of what was already established in the first game.
Gotta be honest. Jin was a fantastic protagonist. But I'm much more excited for a brand new story with brand new characters than I am watching Jin get his shit kicked in by a new adversary just to keep the sense of danger despite the fact that the previous game established he was nearly unkillable. Sequels tend to suck for me if they aren't drasticly changing their gameplay or giving you new characters that aren't established badasses yet.
@@kiddgemini2068 you do realise that samurai don't only use raw strength to fight, right? the whole fighting style is about redirecting/deflecting attacks and agile, flowing movement, compared to the brutish strength the mongols use (if that's even who the antagonists will be). of course you are right that there would be a strength imbalance, but its important to consider that it isn't the only factor here plus, for gameplay purposes it doesn't really matter anyway cause of suspension of disbelief and all that
@kiddgemini2068 First off you don't even know if she is a samurai. Secondly they had female samurai. Third Jin was saved by women in his game. Take your rage bait elsewhere
No. I honestly think in this case it's simply trolls and low brain cell commenters on the internet that are driving all of the discourse with this. One thing you always have to keep in mind is look at the track record of the studio / developers actively working on the game. Ubisoft has had a CONSISTENT track record since roughly 2016 of working on absolute trash tear agenda-driven bullshit. Compare that to sucker Punch who has had a VERY consistent track record of doing the exact opposite. Consistently putting out banger after banger and even recently with Ghost of tsushima you can look at how they handle a strong female co-lead. They handled it perfectly and delivered a fantastic piece of work! So I'd say it's pretty safe to assume we're in the clear with getting a good game on this one.
As RomanianTVee says: It's like if you find me squatting on your kitchen table, with my pants down and a pained expression on my face, and, when you accuse me of shitting on your table, I said, "but how do you know it's shit when it isn't out yet?"
But if you would be on the kitchen table like this, usually the thing that comes out is shit. Same goes here. People recognize a situation and based on the years of experience they have now, they expect a certain outcome. Expection anything else would be insane.
That's what I'm saying. Decades worth of incredible stories and characters have been ignored just to create unnecessary division and strife in the games industry.
Even the most diverse setting ever, Cyberpunk 2077, will have a new game awful, because diversity agenda will be forced there, even if everything is already 100% diverse.
Its why its so backwards now, Ghost of tsushima was diverse and rich with a beautifully accurate portrayal of Japan back when, while with games now they say their diverse, but so many of them are filled with so much discrimination and blatant offensive content towards the cultures they are derived from
Tetris never had to worry about being diverse and Mrs Pacman broke glass ceilings before most of these modern feminists were even a sperm in their deadbeat fathers balls.
@@reguisthesjw7796 there definitely have been people who care.. hence the countless articles from hollywood press or games journalists about "toxic consumers".
"You have to force behaviors. If you don't force behaviors, whether it's gender or race or just any way you want to say the composition of your team, you're going to be impacted. That not just recruiting, it's development," Fink said. "We're gonna have to force change." Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock.
You are absolutely right. The people who think woke media is ending because companies have lost millions clearly haven't been paying enough attention. Millions is a chump change to BlackRock, ESG won't go away anytime soon. Not to mention woke games like BG3, CP2077 and GoWR to name a few were very successful despite being clearly agenda driven.
Do yourself a favor: swap out Rat Fink's name for a certain mustachioed painter. You'll discover that the sentiment being expressed (and the INCREDIBLE arrogance behind it) are one-and-the-same.
@@Ambander-p3xHe was against the painter because he saw him as _competition,_ when both of them are equally horrible people. Go be an NPC someplace else.
Japanese mainstream politicians are not even alt-, they are openly right wing nazi-style, glorifying all the war crimes Japan commited in ww2 like mass slaughter of civilians and human experiments.
Yup, it’s not even about the actress anymore, but about how game developers and producers treat gamers-like cattle on a farm. Or like stray dogs being thrown the bones from yesterday's dinner. Until I get atleast the basic respect, they won’t get a penny from me.
Actually, there is a very good and consistent reason why people would not want to support this game over a single voice actor. They have learned over the past decade or so of games devolving into a censored, sanitized and micro-transacted mess that it is a very bad idea to keep giving money to people who hate, despise, and have no respect for you or what you do to earn your dollars - but will happily relieve you of them, while calling you a bigot. As you said many times, the corporations made the industry this way, and they are now reaping what they have sown. Maybe you are not at the point where you think this is a reasonable reaction, but many other are. They do not want to fund people who see them as the enemy, and I cannot blame them one bit.
Exactly. Why the hell should people give their money to people who despise them and call them things like nazi, incel, man baby, etc? I just don't get it.
@@xmatthyx1 Spoken like an enemy. But, no, we will not be hiding any time soon 😂 Plenty of good indie and older games to play, we do not suffer for lack of quality games.
This. Plus, as it has to keep being pointed out -- Sucker Punch hired this person as the lead for their game, knowing full well what she represents. If I'm a creative director I'm going to want someone who best represents my creation, and if I'm hiring someone like that then it means my views and her views align. The fact that people don't see this is actually almost more frustrating than the typical blogger responses, because Sucker Punch has full control over who they hire, and they could have hired any Japanese VA out there, but they specifically sought out... this person.
@@BobSmith-kk4kp i wasn't specifically aiming it at you but if you feel threatened at every turn, how anxious must you be in your life day-to-day moment. Watch the good place, you'll see what I mean.
I'm more annoyed that they didn't follow up on Jin's story with the obvious hook the 2nd invasion provides than I am at the choice for the new protagonist. That said, me expressing that opinion somehow got someone to accuse me of irrationally hating on the new game.
Same here. Me saying that i was attacked accused of being a sexist when all I said was I was disappointed after a 4 year wait that I don’t get a sequel of Jin.
Idk I feel like it was supposed to be like that they told his story, wanted to have it end to tell their next, but also wanted to say “His work still isn’t done”. I never played the game yet so I could be wrong tho I just imagine it like a spiderman sort of thing where it ends a story with the writers showing despite it all spiderman has much more he will be doing off screen
Even worse, if Yotei was the 3rd installment after Jin´s story had finished in a second game, I would have welcomed it. There was so much still open in the narative. What happens with his relationship to his uncle( if you didn´t kill him, which I think was the canon ending), what happend with him being hunted by the shogunate, did he join or create a ninja-esque clan, the second mogol invasion, his realtionships with all the great characters( did the sake merchant/swindler ever make it to the main land or did Jin?) what happend to Yuna and his (maybe) relationship with her, does Jin have a legacy? And while a few of these things could be sprinkled into Yotei it will not be the same as if we would have expirienced with Jin as the MC. And even worse worse, since Yotei plays 300 years after the first game, the chances of us ever getting Jin back as an MC are probably zero....
4:08 no it doesn’t make sense. That thinking is why we get fifa games every year. Jins story is done. He doesnt need another game and if you think he does, you don’t understand how proper stories work. The devs didnt make dustborn or concord they made Ghost of Tsushima. We know they can make a good game. Players are just mad that there is a female protagonist. thats it.
Preach dawg, like let the game drop and then we can all judge it. I have high hopes for the gameplay and mechanics, i just hope they take the story seriously as well
The game industry with its activists unintentionally trained their audiences to think like this. They created their own monster and expected it to give them money
In my place, there's a saying "if you see a cockroach, good chance is there are a whole den of cockroaches hiding somewhere nearby". Those "warriors" just happen to hire people that think like them and repel anyone don't, and many members in the original group have left, so there's also a good chance the hiring of that actress is the one cockroach we see .... A legitimate concern IMHO
@@Chung_Wang what do you do now? Did all the normal guys just quit and fall off the face of the earth? Why didn’t they create an actor’s guild or a video game company that makes non-woke games?
Did Actman really just criticize people for making TH-cam videos about what to be mad at? I guess Mr. Sunshine can’t hear his own bullshit through that vocal fry.
It's just a shame andypantsgaming messed up that debate and went crazy over it. It would have been a great opportunity to call out act man for the shill that he truly is.
@@thathandsomedevil0828andypants fumbled hard and just revealed that he was a clown. My favorite part of the debate was when they actually talked about games
Actman has criticised DEI and woke elements in games before. Great example is the world war 2 call of duty titles. He's also right here that we need to be careful about what we call woke. In saying that, Andys video about games becoming gay now is spot on. He really just fell into the trap of looking like a crazy grifter in that debate.
I saw that pattern so many times, that I need less and less information to recognize it again. I won't be fooled again, I see where this game is going.
I'm still hoping for it to be a good game. I'm not gonna be hyped about it but I'm also not gonna start hating it just because the main character has tits
@@Unjerry_s Insufferable "strong independent" main character, boring, predictable, shallow story of revenge or betrayal (of a terrible male of course, every woman will be virtous or at least very well justified) , inclusion of gay people on every step ( they will be cool guys as well), today's world problems reflected in feudal Japan, critic of any authority and my favourite - virtue signaling. If you don't care about story, they'll probably fuck something up with gameplay too, activists always do, like stupid AI, optimization, dumb unfitting character design, unsatisfactory character progression. I hope I'm wrong, but that's the direction I think it's heading.
But this is not all. Just after Ghost of Yotei was announced, certain journalists started asking "Oh why is everyone defending this bland ass man", referencing Jin. Somehow Jin became a bad character overnight in favor of the new female protagonist. Most of us really wanted to see more of Jin and belive the ending for GoT was hinting that may be the case. Then again, people on social media started crapping all over claiming "Jin's story is over, you are just sexist" or some other horse shit.
No the last game was clearly leading up to a continuation of Jin's story... It's not Witcher 3.... Witcher 3 CLEARLY ends Geralts story, not only does his own clan of Witchers dissolve, he gets to choose his final love interest and set Ciri up for her own adventures... he also gets to actually go on pension with his own vineyard in the DLC. Geralts story is pretty wrapped up and done with. So that Ciri is the next main character is so clearly sat up and worked toward in the previous game. ...... There was no build up, wrapping up or sat up here... It was so obviously some consultant saying. "But you can't have a male protagonist, it must be female. That lady can do stuff, make the game about her."
Watch Endymion's latest video on this and Assassin's Creed Shadows. The initial plan, based on his sources, was to continue Jin's story. Apparently they changed direction within the last year or so. Combine wanting to have more of Jin's story with how Sony has fumbled sequels of some of its best games with the "for modern audiences" approach (Last of Us 2, Horizon Forbidden West, Spiderman 2, God of War: Ragnorak) and it's no wonder people are concerned with Ghost of Yotei.
I mean jins story ended. It has nowhere interesting to go next. No emotional hook. No easy way of starting the game without undermining the first. Everyone since the dawn of time have been apprehensive with protagonist changes. I remember when everyone hated the idea of playing as arthur in red dead. They then played him and ended up liking him more. Same with last of us 2. A lot of people hated the change but the change made sense and frankly after playing it most realised Joel wouldn't have worked as well. It's not worth commenting on until the game comes out. Are you sexist for not liking the change? No. But you are being stupid if you already adamant the change was the wrong one.
@@bopsie55 While I do agree many people have concerns with a change in protagonists, using The Last of Us 2 as an example of something that worked is a very poor example. Yes, some people liked the change, but MANY people--even those who less critical of current direction of gaming--did not like it. You can say you did and some others did but to act as if most people did is rewriting history. RDR2 may be a better example but considering I never played the first one and wasn't deep into gaming news then, I cannot give an accurate portrayal of the fans concerns with that game. As far as Jin goes, saying there's nowhere to go with his story is solely built on your opinion (which is fine) but has no basis on fact; from a storytelling perspective, I mean. There was PLENTY of things to touch on with his story. Japan was still inundated with the Mongols; he could have created his own band of ghosts to combat the invaders, and that's not even thinking about some of the situations he could find himself in with new characters. He's also an enemy of the Shogun. How would that affect his story? Being an enemy to those who you helped fight against invaders? If you personally did not want to see more of Jin, that's fair, but to say his story had nowhere to go is just incorrect.
Really thanks for ur Videos, lately they are so on point. With basically saying "ur right about being disappointed" but to also keep some sanity and chill - which is lacking a lot recently (which I find way more concerning). Keep them up, glad that I found ur Channel!
Gamers had been hurt for so long, they can't hope a game companies to make good games anymore. Once there's a small change the game has a problem, gamers react how the previous games has been. It's hard to be not sceptical anymore, and not thinking for the worse.
We shouldn't let these people drag us down to their level. There's nothing with Ghost of Yotei that warrants being so skeptical yet, maybe that will change later on but right now there's no reason to be so upset. Fans got angry about Solid Snake being switched out for Raiden in Metal Gear Solid 2, now he's a fan favorite character but he didn't start out that way. Nero wasn't liked at first upon his introduction in Devil May Cry 4 but in DMC5 he's now a favorite too. Point is we can't assume anything just yet, I understand feeling burned by recent titles but we can't start preemptively judging for things like the gender of the main character. If we allow ourselves to sink that low then we're no better than the people who caused this problem because that's exactly what they do.
@@MrEffectfilms They hired someone who hates you. How do you not see that as something that isn't wrong? That's like making a game about basketball and the lead actor for the story mode hates basketball fans.
@@Billy-bc8pk WTF are you talking about?! She doesn't know who I am! Stop trying to tell me how I should feel about something. I don't give a rats ass about the personal beliefs and feelings of an actress, she's there to do a job and that's it. I don't know her and she doesn't know me and I won't use her political beliefs as an excuse to preemptively hate on something.
I don't get that whole narrative of "we need representation in games so the underprivileged can identify with the protagonist". Maybe I'm old but when I started gaming in the 1980's, I didn't have to "identify with" Mrs Pacman to enjoy the game, or Giana's Sister, or Mario, or the frog that tries to cross a road... I was just PLAYING A GAME. I don't care if a figure on a screen is a man/woman/whatever, as long as the story makes SENSE. Unfortunately, none of the aggressively positive narration game (that end up being extremely toxic in the end) have ANY STORY. I have a feeling the kick-off call for most of those projects ran like this "White man -bad, everyone else -good. Go!'
I also started gaming in the 80's. Back when you were _never_ cool if you played video games. The reason they push this DEI nonsense is B/C China funds it here in the west. While banning any of these things in their country. They fund DEI in the west to the tune of trillions, BTW.
Most of it ends up shallow. The character can be male, female, nonbinary, whatever else, but whatever or whoever the character is identified as won't matter whatsoever if the character has as much depth as a puddle. Even worse now that if you say anything wrong about non-male characters, especially in large triple A games, you get hordes of corpo bootlickers ready to stir shit up because you said something "wrong" about the character and what (little) that character represents.
The whole concept of DEI is so foul. They have this ideology that everyone is oppressed apart from straight white men and they feel like they have to represent them without putting any personality to the characters. The gaming industry is foul.
Look I always wanted a new protagonist, Jin’s story was done so much that the fact that I don’t even want to touch the dlc. And I’m ok with a female protagonist asking as is it not her only character trait.
@@104thSpecialGrade Ubisoft shareholders will be so relieved to hear that they can ignore the share price, because 104thSpecialGrade from the TH-cam comments section reckons their wallets are just getting bigger and bigger 🤡
@@104thSpecialGrade Ubisoft lost 9 billion dollars. Even if they have infinite money, the infinite greed of their shareholders have will still put people's heads on the chopping block.
7:19 THIS! You hit the nail on the head, this is literally it! Gamers have NEVER hated strong female characters, because they were almost always very well written and relatable. What they have and will continue to hate is the disingenuity and pandering used when presenting the new "modern" versions.
I think thats because they were almost always designed and written by men. Thats not to say women are bad writers, but men know what men like. Men can write relatable characters that appeal to other men better than women can, for obvious reasons. And today, with so much more women in game dev, even characters that are still written by men have a much more feminine influence. They are... inoffensive, at best. The overall big studio culture, everywhere in the west, is such that male writers take care not to step on any toes, let alone risk offending some of their progressive colleagues, and female writers just write what they know and like, but that often doesnt appeal to most of the players (men) that much.
@@MrDezokokotar Your comment reminds me of all those nerdy protagonists like Peter Parker that got the babe in the end. The sad reality about your comment is that most women aren’t relatable to today’s men. Most men value honor and loyalty. Today’s women (not all/but most in high paying corporate positions) don’t value honor and loyalty due to their feminine nature of monkey branching for the next best thing. If Peter Parker were to butt heads with Clark Kent, Mary Jane would definitely monkey branch over to Clark Kent since he’s much more powerful as Superman compared to Spiderman. It’s sad, but it is reality. Most people call that the red pill. Most men would get men with writing about brotherhood, loyalty, and respect. In the past, they set a standard for how women should behave in order to get the partner they desire. Women would know what men would want from them based off of these stories written by men. This in turn, set a standard in the dating scene for men and women to treat each other with respect. A woman, on the other hand, would write about greed for a man’s character as that’s usually hard wired into a female personality that plays into their monkey branching nature. Some of the best villains in video game history weren’t crazy about greed… they were crazy about love, honor, loyalty, respect, etc (Dutch Van Der Linde, Voss from far cry 3, and Raul Menedez were amazing villains to name a few). A woman wouldn’t have a standard to set when writing about a woman because most women view being independent from men as a sign of power rather than weakness (when it’s really a sign of weakness since no one is dependent on her love). To put things frank and bluntly, men still want stories with women written by men because men still value loyalty, respect, and honor. Loyalty, respect, and honor are hard to get out of today’s modern female. In most cases, male writing of women are perfect forms of male escapism as most of us men will never experience that kind of love, honesty, loyalty, and respect from a woman because they will just see us as a person that pays the bills for their way of life. In the past, I used to think of Hollywood writers as if they were wise and fatherly in how they portrayed characters through their stories. A good fatherly figure thinks about consequences and outcomes to actions. A good writer does the same thing as most good storytelling has a lot of great consequences due to actions or lack thereof. I think a big problem with modern society is that everyone thinks they are a “great writer” due to 120 characters on their average social media posting. The psychology of guilt within social media has put activists on a pedestal to the point that they are now the clergy class of society that dictates virtue to the masses. That and our nonstop need for instant gratification is getting bad to the point that entire generations like generation z are synonymously characterized with brainrot.
"Gamers have NEVER hated strong female characters, because they were almost always very well written and relatable. " This might be the most absurd comment I've read today. Yeah, NEVER hated, ALWAYS well written"
If customers dont like tomatoes, and the restaurant keeps putting tomatoes in their food, then releases a new dish that has a tomato all over it... it doesnt matter if the food is good even with the tomatoes in it. Theyre gonna stop eating at the restaurant because you insist on putting tomatoes in their food, and even when they ask the restaurant to remove them, theyre either ignored or mocked by the kitchen staff. That person leaves and so does their money, then the restaurant is closed and the staff laid off and theyre like "I dont know what happened!" I've been making this argument to people dumping on people getting upset that the yotei protag was a "body type 2". Like perhaps theyre new to the whole thing, but you poke and poke and poke the bear, the bear will eventually consider you a threat, and will attack as soon as you lift your hand. Act Ma'am likes to appeal to the boy who cried wolf but the false equivalency there is that the boy who was crying wolf in this instance actually saw wolves and the villagers have been ignoring him the whole time... and now he sees a pair of eyes in the bushes and since theyve been coming around so often, its no surprise at all, (even though people who like the changes like to act like it is) that he's preemptively trying to get someone to deal with the wolf. If the game is fine, this will be the one time, where the villagers came and will be the one time there was no wolf. Using the boy who cried wolf is a bad analogy to explain what has been happening, and is only apt to you, if you have been ignoring the decline of triple A titles that adjusted to put diversity at the forefront of their philosophy and deleted male protags to make way for the new lady character, only for the games to decline in popularity or the story to take some weird-ass left turn.
@@malikfoxen2045 Your point is countered by the outrage farm over "tomatoes". Precious few in this comment section are engaging in "Well I prefer not to eat tomatoes" rhetoric, and instead prefer to act persecuted, rooting for a game and company to fail based on very limited knowledge. Same thing happened with the GTA VI trailer, woke panic based on very limited knowledge. And I'm virtually certain GTA VI will NOT be the next Concord in terms of revenue.
"deleted male protags to make way for the new lady character" That is certainly one way to spin a game being set centuries after the first one. "Deleting male protag!" *GET OUTRAGED*
The thing is this wasn't really happening before 2016, the agenda, the politics, the actors with their ideologies, etc people forget this was an explosive event which turned into a culture war, how many franchises were destroyed by the term woke, because star wars and lord of the rings have been the victims and you can physically see it. Don't downplay that threat because this goes beyond games and movies.
It was happening for at least 200 years, but society was more traditional in its outlook so the liberalization process hadn’t radically altered the west (and to a lesser extent, the world) yet. The French Revolution is east to point to as the first instance of liberalism being thrust on a population and destroying traditions and culture.
It was happening for at least 200 years, but society was more traditional in its outlook so the liberalization process hadn’t radically altered the west (and to a lesser extent, the world) yet. The French Revolution is east to point to as the first instance of liberalism being thrust on a population and destroying traditions and culture.
It was happening for at least 200 years, but society was more traditional in its outlook so the liberalization process hadn’t radically altered the west (and to a lesser extent, the world) yet. The French Revolution is east to point to as the first instance of liberalism being thrust on a population and destroying traditions and culture
it's not woke, wokies are just the shield/useful idiots. what we are dealing with is nothing else than bolshevism 2.0 with the very same people financing and pushing it. but hey, they're our greatest allies in the middle east, even if the benefits only ever go one way of course, unless you're a politician that is.
Hey dude, just wanna say you've risen to become my favorite channel on yt. Basically when a new video drops, I stop what I'm doing to watch. I don't know how else to say this but you bring so much reason to these conversations, while bringing a brutal honesty w/o falling into incivility like so many others. Also seeing around the industry you're being mentioned a lot, Gene Park from washington post for example has said he likes your content. keep it up
Haven't seen Gene mention me before, but thank you. I have no issue discussing difficult topics, and I try to give my honest opinion on things. As I've talked about on livestreams, it's much easier to be myself than to pretend to be someone I'm not. I'd have a mental breakdown, haha.
@@LegendaryDrops Yeah Gene mentioned it on one of the podcasts from Last Stand Media, referenced your last ubisoft video. It's definitely gone around! In addition to the space marine 2 story a bit ago involving the ceo (thru an asmon react but still a big deal lol). End of the day, authenticity sells and your takes are clearly resonating with a lot us. But just wanted to say good shit dude, I'll try to catch a livestream at some point.
15:23 Spielberg is wrong about one thing - Games DID reach a very high emotional impact. But not anymore, and as long as they keep trying to be like movies, they won't.
Damn right. I can think of two examples off the top of my head. Asura's Wrath brought me to tears of sorrow at one point and tears of joy at it's ending. (I won't spoil those.) Mass Effect 2 had a point where I changed my position in an argument over it. This one I'll explain. Garrus's loyalty mission. It sounds so simple: His little vigilante crew got betrayed and all but himself and the traitor were killed. He's finally tracked down the traitor and asks only that Shepard engage the traitor in conversation so Garrus can snipe him. Just before you get off the shuttle out to the location, Garrus and Shepard discuss just killing the traitor without even speaking to him. Garrus's final line is "If it was your crew, what would you do?" Shepard doesn't answer aloud, but the question alone caused me to reconsider the situation and in the end, stand aside for the shot to be taken. Because yeah, I would want to do far worse than the cold, instant and impersonal execution of a snipers shot. Is that reaction rational? No. It's purely an emotional one. It's a sentiment and feeling, not a logical conclusion or reasoned change of position. There have been other games, but those two are the ones that immediately sprang to mind in reply to Spielberg's position.
Robert DeNiro is an absolute lunatic in real life, but I still watch Goodfellas once a year. The voice actress and direction Sony has been going are massive red flags, but given how much I loved GoT, I'm going to give it a chance. Plus, I play in Japanese anyways, so don't care about her lol
Did ghost of tsusima end with a cliff hanger? No. The story ended. So instead of dragging out an already finished story beyond its intended conclusion create a new story with a new protagonist. This is how new stories and characters get created. Not everything has to have a million sequels with the same tired old characters. Not everything is a Disney creation.
Making people "feel seen" is an inherently _bad_ thing, because art is not about inclusiveness. Art is not about making people feel seen, it's not about adhering to a political or ideological stance. Art is about _personal expression._ And I don't mean that in the artsy-fartsy kind of way. I believe skill and technique should go into art, and in fact, I don't even think art is subjective in a broad sort of way. But the moment you say, "We're going to change or make the game in this way because otherwise we would be bad people," you've destroyed the foundation of the art and you've made instead a bureaucratic product. If you like the way black people look, or act, and you want that in your story, that's art. If you put them in there because you _should,_ that may be a lot of things. It may be pandering or kindness or a "product" or marketing or sanctimony or "for the good of mankind," but it isn't art.
>it's not about adhering to a political or ideological stance. thats just plain wrong. art is whatever its creator want to be. some of the most classic/beloved games like Metal Gear Solid or Spec Ops the line or nier series are all inherently political and are about making a stance. art CAN also be about making people feel seen
Art with political views have been a thing for over a century, I don't know what rock you people have been living under. Do yall just live in asmongolds basement?
While there are a lot of bad art out there. You just strip away nearly every purpose of making by saying art is not about expression of most of the important things in life. You seem to just not like what some people expressed.
Cyberpunk 2077 is a great example of having “inclusive” stuff in a game that is authentically implemented is not a problem. You can modify yourself in that game but because it works within the world that CDPR made it isn’t a problem. People don’t like forced agenda, that’s it…
Depends on who you ask. According to some Cyberpunk is woke, Space Marine 2 is woke, Skyrim is woke & Helldivers is woke. Anything with a person of color, non straight or a female is now woke according to some. It's hard to take it seriously when it's so loosely applied to everything
Cyberpunk never felt authentic like the Matrix or Mr Robot. It tried to copy that vibe, but couldn’t because it tried too hard doing what Star Wars Outlaws did in portraying an “outlaw” or “punk” as a good guy. AC Valhalla did the same thing and the Vikings are historically known for plunder and evil deeds. Heck, I would get shadow banned into oblivion for mentioning historically accurate Viking lore on YT. TBF most of these companies creating these blockbuster matrix style products as video games and movies are the very antithesis to those products of video games and movies. To be frank, they are the living embodiment of the bad guys that Johnny Silverhand hates. RDR2 was successful compared to Cyberpunk because it actually allowed you to be a bad guy in the game. That and it didn’t take 3 years to become playable after release. In short, inclusivity hindered the story of Cyberpunk because the story didn’t feel raw and edgy like how the actual punk genre began. Punk had its roots in going against the mainstream. Inclusivity is the living embodiment of mainstream as even the US government pays more attention to “inclusivity” rather than real life problems like rising crime, unemployment, rent, etc. The car racing missions in Cyberpunk were dumb when you realized the woman who was getting you to race was an actual 300 lb man. I didn’t need to know that kind of information playing the game, and it took me out of the immersion as I was reminded of today’s dystopian politics because of it. Judy’s missions were also boring as hell. Finding out that she was a lesbian didn’t really bother me. TBH it felt like a “cool story bro” moment that didn’t make the character seem relatable. Isn’t relatability what most consumers care about? Isn’t that what sells tickets for football games? I swear, these DEI developers create inclusive content like they are foreigners needing Hollywood movies made in their own language. Unfortunately for them, most people interacting with their content have great love and respect for the opposite sex. Unfortunately for them, most people have a beauty standard hard wired into their dna. Straight white male content has been perfected since Hollywood got its origins from the Oregon Trail. Someday, people will laugh at Cyberpunk’s portrayal of the future. It will age just as badly as those Jetson cartoons. Our modern time period will be looked back on as the Dark Ages due to corporate political activism. People will talk in disgust about this type of political activism as if it were out of style like those horn rimmed glasses and bell bottoms people wore in the 70’s. Anyone remember when the hipster was thought of as a cool personality type? That’s sooo mid 2000’s. Nobody gives a shit about the hipster anymore. AI replaced the hipster because it’s a hive mind of all our thoughts, feelings, dreams, ideas, and predictions. Nowadays, I prefer the hipster over the activist. At least the hipster was trying to get you interested in new things compared to virtue signaling and ruining already existing franchises.
@@wolfrayet0042 woke is not a yes or no thing it's a spectrum cyberpunk 2077 IS woke, Arcane is woke, Undertale is woke but these three have just a bit of wokeness and it's more or less tasteful + the product itself is good you can have racially and sexually diverse characters, just don't make it their personality and focus on making them characters first, diverse second also if the setting is medieval, then you need to justify having black or female characters in positions that don't make sense normal, and they have to be an exception, not the norm
@@SuperBennnnnnnnn relax buddy if this follows the trends that all these companies do this game will be bad I’m telling you so let’s just wait and see.
Highly agreed with the explanation. It's easy to state what we hate abt today's games, but not pointing out the actual festering wounds of a problem with the games industry these past few yrs like ever since the pandemic
I think that ppl gonna push this over the edge at some point. The woke trend makes so many people mad, destroys many things in the gamers community and the industry too. As now, anything that is marked as dei or woke would be jugded so hard even when the game itself is not bad.
@@QuangTran-zy6sgfans of media have just been burned so many times. This game could turn out to be amazing. Just with every group comes the vocal minority that’ll be hating this instantly because of the female character. What can you say when these companies show time and time again they can’t write a good female character like they used to. It can be done though. Also an activist as the voice actor doesn’t help.
@@AvaaSlays_Swiftie the voice actress is a great red flag more then the female protagonist. Especially when Sony has been known to encourage activists taking over sequels. If the development team wants to prove people wrong they should either do a story trailer or early gameplay. Anything to try and prove the doubt wrong, but personally the voice actress has justified all the more reason to not get hype for this game.
We are already at that stage recently, any games that have a slightest sign of "woke" is getting boycott and backlash. But you know who created that? That's right the community/organisation that push the woke stuff. The pendulum is swigging back again and I'm afraid it's not just gonna only be the woke crowd who is gonna pay the price.
A counterpoint to your counterpoint that has been brought up but needs repeating: They won (and rightfully so), but now pattern recognition has overridden nuance and patience to such a degree that lots will scream woke before more information comes out just at looking at one teaser image or super short vertical slice of a preview (and we all know the truly woke ones tend to drone on to hammer a point rather than tease). That's what Act Man was talking about.
I completely agree, and I’m female. My issue with games right now is that they are replacing previous male roles with female characters. It’s stupid. Games like Perfect Dark or new IPs like South of Midnight…people were excited for those games. No one was upset. But replacing Jin or making Mary Jane stupidly OP is just aggravating…and I didn’t even like ghost of Tsushima. The same goes for Race swapping popular characters. The problem becomes that it’s now “woke” to make any game with a female or POC lead character, and gamers automatically think it’s bad. It doesn’t do women or POC any favors to force this into existing stories. It doesn’t create tolerance, it creates backlash and anger. The best way to do it is to write new stories and new IPs.
Perfect Dark and other games back then were a different time. Today, politics is applied to EVERYTHING. You can't make a damn ham sammich without someone wondering if the mustard is woke or not. It's stupid.
Well, you might have missed the South of Midnight backlash... :D Not because it has a female protagonist but because Sweet Baby inc collaborated on it. We'll see when it comes out but i would be shocked if the writing doesnt stink of progressive politics. While a female protagonist doesnt make a game woke necessarily (Stellar Blade is not woke), it is a red flag because these days, when it comes to western games, a "diverse" protagonist or cast so often correlates with the game having annoying pandering and activism shoved in. And i disagree about the new IPs. Thats not a solution, not anymore. Sure taking over old IPs is worse, but by now people are so fed up that they are immediately skeptical even with new IPs when they see something that seems like forced diversity, even if it isnt. Honestly devs that do have a genuinely good idea for a "diverse" protagonist are kinda screwed right now, it will immediately put them on the back foot.
@@ganggang3788 It doesn't work that way, it's more like: "You can't appreciate ham sandwich without someone trying to push their opinion if the mustard should be put or not."
Thank you for actually acknowledging people's concerns and not just arrogantly brushing them aside, and I appreciate that you're giving your personal thoughts as well.
This whole "we need 50% or more main protagonist as female" thing is making most gamers skeptical when you see this stuff even tho that might not be the case also Sony did recently and publicly doubled down on pandering and diversity as the main focus in their games
This will depend on how Sony, Sucker Punch and the Cast if they go to the Concord and Ubisoft route (hating the gamers) the goodwill of the last game will be forgotten. But if handled properly and the game is as good as the last game then people will buy it. But we can't blame the complaints of other people because all are tired of it.
Most of us think wonder what their tune is when getting their teeth kicked in and more and more that kind of thought becomes the stronger one till it happens and honestly I have zero sympathy should have been knocked out sooner. Journos don’t think they fabricate racism and it takes a real pile of crap to somehow make racism out of nothing but they sure do that well.
It’s still a wonder to me that such a profession continue to exist in the age of internet and social media. All these independent TH-camrs does a way better job reporting and reviewing games than the so call professional journalists
I got to say that i do trust SuckerPunch with female characters, Look at Yuna, Masako and Tomoe for example, they are badass female characters and if they can also bring that to live with a character like Atsu it could be a really great game, i also would have loved a new story about Jin Sakai and maybe in the future we wil see that but for now whe just have to wait and when the trailers and game arrive whe can judge if we like it or not.
I honestly just want it to be good. Sucker Punch has a good track record with Sly Cooper, inFamous, and now Ghost of Tsushima. In a lot of ways, they should be the face of PlayStation since they've developed incredible games for Sony since the PS2.
@@treyfolkmen7942 If you're talking about that dev team picture that's currently floating around then must inform you that this picture was taken on International Womens Day in like 2018. As of right now the only information that we have about GoY's developers is that it has the same directors and producers as Ghost of Tsushima.
The game wasn't woke enough so Sony refused to promote it. It then didn't hit it's sales targets and Sony refused to green light a sequel. If they do now make a sequel it will undoubtedly have a girl boss protagonist and miss the point of the original. They also won't bring back the people who made the first game. They've moved on. Be careful what you wish for.
Bro somehow forgot Spider-Man, in fact we have TWO, when it comes to male characters from Sony 😅 Also if you discount characters like Nathan Drake and Deacon St. John because their stories are either over or won’t be continued, then a female character like Selene from Returnal doesn’t count either because we know that Housemarque is moving to a new IP. I could also get extra pedantic and include male characters like Ratchet and both Clank and Astrobot are perceived as male. That isn’t even to mention second party games like Death Stranding that have a male lead or third party titles that are financially supported by PlayStation like FF7R and FF16. I wonder if the people complaining about a male lead being taken “away” (Jin’s story was finished btw so try keeping the same energy) will have the same issue when the next “Ghost of” game has a male lead again? 🤔
If the game isn't for you, don't buy it. Put the wallet down. Take a deep breath in and slowly let it out. Relax. There are other new games that might be for you. Dig a little. Don't just buy what is pushed in your face. Stop buying garbage.
Personally I was a little bit disappointed because Jin Sakai's Story wasnt over. You finish the game and have the feeling that Jin and other characters have loose ends, more adventures ahead. So, when the sequel not only changed the main character but also the time period, I was taken aback. Does that mean the game will be bad or woke? not really, but it makes you wonder why they made that decision.
Well the reason could be what all are claiming or the team wasnt comfortable with the idea to continue the story. At the end of GoT he was a hunted man and thats a difficult position to write something with a huge climax like it was in GoT with the liberation of the island. The only place he could have went is the main land and thats under the control of the shogun. Thats an enemy he could not defeat nor reason with. Not much tension besides staying hidden from the samurai. So maybe they thought that its better to start a new story, at another time, in another part of japan and make it a good story than to continue an existing story, so the fans can be happy, but without the conviction to be able to make it good.
@@Mejandora What you just describes sounds like the samurai equivalent of Red Dead Redemption 2 and it sounds awesome. Not all 'good stories' have to end in victory. Ghost of Tsushima may not have been the most historically accurate, but it was straight-faced and uncompromising in it's vision of representating a scenario that could've occurred in that period. Ghost of Yotei meanwhile just looks like another Sony comic book game. It's premise, whilst not impossible, is inherently hard to swallow and that stuff is going to deter people from playing, whether consciously or subconsciously.
@@ganggang3788They're getting increasingly rare. Video games are consumed by mostly dudes. Of course male protagonists were the norm. Despite what surveys try to convey by including mobile games and women who occasionally play the sims, this fact hasn't changed.
@@ganggang3788 They werent, but now they are. At least in western AAA games. When do you imagine we are going to see the reverse? When is Sony doing a Last of Us or Horizon sequel with a dude?
I’m an aspiring game dev, hopefully joining the industry after I finish my degree. My dream is to eventually run a studio that makes quality games with no agenda other than genuine fun and immersive gameplay. I want people to be able to be excited for games again.
It’s like you said. When presented with failure after failure, eventually we develop a sense for the signs that lead to said failures. We were conditioned over time to see the telltale ingredients of DEI and, even though one or two aren’t inherently bad when done well, we still initially recoil and brace for the worst because of what has happened before, which is justified. But we shouldn’t judge until we have sufficient information. However, even though we don’t know about Yotei too much, the game has a different team of devs with a different creative vision while the original talents behind Tsushima left. And usually when the original creators leave something, that tends to be a bad sign.
Game will be like BFV compared to BF1. Crazy to think that it’s been almost a decade since BF1. I wish people would get tired of this demoralization and start a full scale witch hunt against the perpetrators.
I saw the pic on Twitter/X where it showed all men on the left who worked on GoT, vs all women on the right who developed GoY. The contrast is quite apparent between the 2. And some of the women had brightly dyed hair, so we know that those at the very least are left leaning. All the devs that worked on GoT are gone. Sucker Punch has been taken over by women and they/thems just like Ubisoft. I have no hope nor high expectations for this game at all
Basically you guys have become zombies that are walking woke-dei detectors. But I am damn sure about one thing, this game will still be a hit, it's not gonna go the way concord/dustborn went, anti woke mfs aren't all that powerful they think they are woke and anti woke mfs both seem like deranged people to us sane people in the middle tbh
@@davidcrawford5324 You know the picture with all the women was taken on International womens day in 2018 right? You also know that Ghost of Yotei has the same directors and producers as GoT and that other than that we have no information about the developers of the game right?
@@LaZd-then when you do a little more digging you found out the game director hasn’t changed and if you understand game development you’ll know that’s also pretty important but no one is talking about that at all
Ghost of Tsushima did just about everything great, including writing strong female characters. There is no evidence that Ghost of Yotei is pandering to DEI. As long as her badassery is commensurate to Jin's, it'll be great.
No it won't because it's a female lead and Jin was male. Most of the player base is male. Most males would rather play as a male. So either game devs don't know this, in which case they're out of touch with players or they do and made the decision out of spite. Either way, this game won't be doing the same numbers.
@@chippewaguy4193 It sold like 13% of the physical copies of even primal. It's the first Far Cry game since 2 to have "mixed" reviews on steam. Pointing to New Dawn as a success is crazy
If you think of core gaming as a pyramid, men are the foundation and the largest percentage of that triangle. We are the largest demographic in Western and Eastern gaming. When game companies make games that don’t represent or appeal to us, the literal foundation of their power and growth the past 20 years, they’ll find their money vanishes in an instant.
@@irishijo1 I don't remember really having a problem with it in ghost of Tsushima. For the most part I always understood what was going on, and was able to keep up with the storyline. And this is someone who doesn't speak or understand Japanese
I believe in Sucker Punch to deliver another banger. I couldn't care less if the MC is male or female or who the voiceactor is. As long as they deliver a game with a story, worldbuilding and gameplay on the level of GoT i'll have nothing to complain about.
100%. as far as I’m concerned, the rest is Noise, and I’m all for it as long as the game is good. But we have to wait for it come out first to be able to really judge 🤷🏻♂️
This whole comment section and this channel reeks of right wing BS. Woke this woke that, DEI this and that. Like who cares. If the game is good the game is good. What's crazy is that they said AC Shadows, Star Wars Outlaws, Wukong, Dragon Age Veilguard, this new Ghost game, are all woke like wtf? When people start labeling videogames as woke because they don't like the game, you know you just stepped into Joe Rogan's talkshow.
What’s Act Man’s point? This backlash has been building for years. It’s not always going to be measured, and some people will take it too far into parody, as some always do. Those individuals only represent themselves. Highlighting that a few people called air conditioning racist doesn’t reflect the majority, and that level of absurdity hasn’t really changed anything. Calling someone racist today has about the same impact it did four years ago.
Act Man’s observation was pretty pointless. He’s judging people who share an opinion just because some take it too far, as if that invalidates everyone else. Apparently, BlackRock isn’t offering considerable financial incentives to studios for embracing forced diversity, DEI, and non-binary representation in entertainment-despite their own statements on the matter. It was all just our imagination.
I would have told him that the issue is not the word "woke", it's that no one is calling it for what it truly is "cultural marxism". Which is very real and is destroying the USA, never mind the planet.
You not see the picture of the developers at Sucker Punch for Tsushima vs for Yotei?? Yeah, I admit, I can't KNOW for sure. But if I was a bettin' man........ And let's be real, ActMan ain't the most courageous TH-camr out there. When TH-cam nuked his channel it put the fear of GOD in him. And he's toed the line ever since. I can't go to ActMan for an honest opinion. He'll always play it safe. But I admit that the MC for Ghost being a woman is not ENOUGH to KNOW that it's woke. But do you want to bet me that it's NOT Woke? Yeah, I didn't think you would.
Where’s the picture? Would be interesting to see it lol, the one for Ubisoft was funny. Also, the voice actor playing the female protagonist is herself an extreme woke individual that needs everything to be politically correct, so I’d be surprised if she just happily accepted and went into the role knowing they wouldn’t be pushing any agendas or messages down people’s throats. These kinds of entitled individuals usually need something to throw at you.
@@zimmy91 Well, one main sign that a lot of people didn’t touch up on and therefore many other folks weren’t aware of is the fact that the voice actor playing the female protagonist is herself an extreme woke individual that needs everything to be politically correct, so I’d be surprised if she just happily accepted and went into the role knowing they wouldn’t be pushing any agendas or messages down people’s throats. These kinds of entitled individuals usually need something to throw at you. There was one video that covered this and to fact check it, I myself googled her up and the first things I saw were a few links or videos trying to ‘expose’ her and that was it lol.
im kinda in the wait and see spot, i think suckerpunch gets that much from tsushima, but im certainly concerned and i think its a big red flag these days with any sort of girl boss
Love the nuance in your take on this. Making a sequel with a female lead isn't inherently bad, but gamers being wary after seeing a pattern does make some sense.
It's insanely tiring to keep having devs and media gaslight gamers as if we aren't smart enough to see how so many of these decisions are just straight pandering. The Dragon Age drama is a perfect example, there was no need to have a certain type of scars exist outside of the rest of the scars and that submenu. Putting as a separate top menu toggle was done deliberately to put it every ones face and to pander inclusivity. There would have been some backlash regardless, but it escalated so much more due to it's implementation.
These companies need to decide if representation actually matters. If no, then they need to cut the bullcrap. If yes, then these companies need to stop being surprised and butthurt when characters that are not representative of the actual audience get rejected.
@Garrus-w2hjust like you idiots spewing woke at everything lmaoo. It's like you guys have no capability for self reflection. Makes sense since you think that stupidly lmaooo
the aaa industry has gone full blown w0ke, which is why i'm thankful for indie devs. indie games are rapidly catching and surpassing aaa games in most ways, and they're cheaper.
It is funny to see that the two-polar business/political model described by Christina Sommers in her book "Who Stole Feminism?: How Women Have Betrayed Women" still work so well after 30 years. In addition to people like Dr. Sommers, now TH-camrs and streamers like Legendary Drops and Asmongold take the role to fight this beast with extremely long life bar and 2nd-3rd stages...
I feel like the ending of GoT left players thinking they would get a direct sequel to that game. Now that GoT 2 is going in a different direction, I think it left a lot of players feeling like they got the short end of the stick. This combined with a female lead and the amount of DEI in gaming now has got everyone’s guard up
Study the current roster of Sucker Punch. Compare it to the original team that made Ghost of Tsushima. Will alarm you greatly to this "modern game for modern audience".
Excellent, level-headed analysis of the situation and noise surrounding this game. Personally, I like the anthology approach to what will now be the Ghost series of games. I’ll wait to see what reviewers like ACG have to say about it before buying, but if the character is well conceived, the story is compelling, and the gameplay is just as good as GoT, I’ll check it out.
It's not only because they changed the beloved protagonist after just one game. My issue is Jin´s story was not even finished. The ending, without spoiling to much, is very open and already has builded a foundation for an interesting continuation of his story. So changing him now makes very little sense to me and yeah the fact they hired this strange woman makes this decision even more questionable. But i will give Atsu and her Actress Erika a fair chance. Hopefully they don't disappoint....
I get so pissed when anyone says Jin's story is over. No spoilers, but they literally CLEARLY set up a larger invasion, Jin's migration to Japan mainlands and the Shogun after him.
This literally was what I was anticipating, even possible naval combat with a “Ghost Ship” that could invade their ships before making it to mainland…I really got my hopes up way too high 😢
@@azure4622 the thing is though that Ghost of Yotei takes place 400 years after Ghost of Tsushima, so it’ll have to be sequel of one or the other. After the announced delayment of Ghost of Yotei Sony is pretty nervous now that people are finding out the main VA is a big activist that we all love to see in our games
@@azure4622 it truly is a great mystery, I heard from other sources that they want to do an “anthology” series where each installment is a new protag…but I think that is the wrong call to make personally. Especially when Jin still has a lot more room to grow and expand with the second invasion of Japan, and people really liked his character by the end of the first game with the dlc expanding upon his relationship with his dad. Definitely could’ve/should’ve kept going with his development.
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GOT is amazing. Many people don't even realize sucker punch became the first American studio to win the Famitsu award for goty. Pretty sure the second one is going to be just as amazing.
@LaZd- cope for what I like ghost of tsushima lol. Rumor for years somebody sold that code to several places. Nice cope though. Ur game is just AC2, and I agree. Some things are code identical, stolen game.
@@fiddler9804 what was woke about TLOU2 or ragnarok? I didn't play Spiderman 2 so I would have no idea. I suppose I could guess that you think a gay relationship in a game is woke?
@@Unjerry_s Let's see... The entire plot of tlou2? Everyone is gae, diversity check left and right, Girlbosses, pregnant women in the frontline of a war, a "woman" that has the the physique of a bodybuilder. Joel got thrown away like nothing because he was 200x more popular than Ellie could ever be. Ragnarok is just pathetic. Colored people in norse mythology? Kratos is all soft and a weakling, his wife wore the pants in the relationship, "God of Hope" and worse of all, SBI involved.
@@fiddler9804 okay, shit dude, seems like you might be one of the gamers that the companies made sensative to that kind of content... Sucks becuase these games are amazing if thst stuff doesn't bother you.
Diversity/inclusion is not at all inherently a good thing, its completely contextual. For example, racial or gender diversity in a medieval japanese setting that focuses on samurai warfare is bad. Most of the people should be japanese (or in the case of Tsushima, japanese and mongol), and most of the characters (if theyre mostly soldiers) should be men. Diversity would make it worse. On the other hand, in a setting taking place in modern San Francisco, diversity is good and necessary, otherwise it would look silly and not believable.
why does a video game, an inherently fictional medium, need to be believable? the protagonist can mow down thousands of people or survive otherwise lethal falls, but a women out of time is where you draw the line?
@@taco1957 Im not sure what you mean by that. Can you explain what you mean by a video game being an "inherently fictional medium"? A medium (video game, movie, book, oil painting) is neither fictional nor non-fictional, these terms dont apply to the concept.
@@MrDezokokotar @MrDezokokotar you're being intentionally naive. obviously you recognize that video games (a medium) are by majority - works of fiction. a video game can try to be as non-fictional as it wants, but liberties must be made in almost all cases to make the actual act of playing it fun. there's nothing "historically accurate" about Jhin being able to change outfits on the fly, for example. My question to you, is: why you draw a line between things like this only when it involves diversity?
@@taco1957 Ok then, let me explain. It's not about diversity per se. It's about believable human behaviour. There are degrees to realism, and different weight should be put on different elements. Even if some concepts simply can't be translated from real life (like the way you physically fight), that doesn't mean some aspects that can be, shouldn't be. Things like changing outfits on the fly aren't very immersion breaking because they be explained as a "movie cut". I assume his new outfit didn't magically appear on his body but that he changed, i just didn't see it. I don't see him eating or going to the toilet either but i assume he does that when im "not looking". This has some immersion breaking effect, they could choose to show it, but it's very minimal. It's a good tradeoff of believablity for convenience. But IF his outfits did in fact magically appear out of thin air, by actual magic - that WOULD be ridiculous and i would question the logic of that in a otherwise fairly realistic game. Similarly, being able to heal wounds quickly is simply for the benefit of the gameplay, to make it more fun and/or easy to play, nothing more. (you can always add higher difficulties in a game) But we don't actually assume he is a nigh immortal superhuman - its just luck, skill, or "movie(game) magic". However, the most important aspect to keep as believable as possible, in any medium, is human behaviour. Also the way humans look, sound, etc., but especially how they behave. We are very familiar with humans, and they act as a grounding element so that we can suspend our disbelief of the more fantastical elements. When they are believable, it makes us better able to imagine what it would be like if this fantastic world was real - or imagine ourselves in it. Making humans act oddly and unrealistically doesn't bring any benefit to the gameplay, and we can't write it off as "movie magic" - it simply feels wrong. It's a BAD tradeoff to sacrifice realistic human behaviour for some other aspect - like story convenience, or ideology. If humans don't act believably, people usually call that bad writing. And that's what i don't want in games. Even in more fantasy games like Baldur's Gate 3, humans should behave like humans. And they don't. In that game, half of any army for example are women, and human women don't behave like that. So i end up wondering why? Do these humans have different brains to real humans? Different bodies? Women don't bear children in this world? Everything else about them seems to be the same - they look normal, sound normal. But they act oddly, like some human-like but alien race. Star Trek (the old, good ones) is very sci-fi, but humans still act like we would expect humans to act. In a setting where there are aliens that act weirdly, the humans are the ground and the point of comparison. So in some sense, you could argue that in fantasy or sci-fi with other intelligent species, it may be be even more important for humans to act believably. But certainly a game like Ghost of Tsushima, with fairly realistic world-building and setting, humans should behave believably. To me and i think most people, that's important, otherwise the world feels fake. Like the author is trying to shield me from the harsh reality of... well, reality. Like a cartoon that's made for a child. That or it's simply ideological. It's most likely a bit of both. To be clear, in Ghost of Tsushima it's still somewhat reasonable, there are much bigger offenders. It's just a bit of a stain on a otherwise good game. And i suspect the next game will have it much worse, but we can only wait and see.
Pattern recognition is why these developers no longer get the benefit of the doubt. Secondly, I really dont have much of a dog in this fight, but I did read some of the quotes from the mocap/voice actor for the new ghosts game, and I don't like the thought of her getting any of my money. I'm not going to support people who hate me because I have white skin and am a guy.
Really not trying to be an asshole cuz I frankly don’t agree with her statements on shit. I believe everyone should do better at understanding one another and any radical point of views whether from the left or right will always prevent that. However, she already got paid. More likely paid with profits from the previous release. The work done on this game from the VA side is already paid for and apart of the initial budget. The profits of this game would more likely go towards the budget of the next in the anthology.
Still trying to figure out how the title of this video relates to its content. You basically said that you don't really subscribe to this outrage over the game but you can understand it. How is this 'a step too far'?
He's doing it for the grift, lots of dumb brainlets are angry, they click and like anything that will remotely validate their opinions. At the end of the day he's a slave to his content and will bend his loser ass knees to the biggest common denominator. Like so many other youtuber, he brings no value to the platform, the industry and life as a whole.
11:49 Act Man is just wrong on this one. these incidents are actually INCREASING instead of people just overreacting, and Sony's catalogue is a big proof of that.
As a Hispanic man, I can’t stand western (mostly American) inclusivity arguments and solutions in the name of “helping minorities be better represented”. I didn’t ask for these people’s help and neither did most other cultures and minorities. Personally, I’ve always had a personal sentiment that there isn’t enough Hispanic representation outside of stereotypes in Hollywood and entertainment in general, given the size of the Hispanic population here in America. However, not only would I NOT like having an established, let’s say white (for sake of argument) character be replaced or “reimagined” by a Hispanic person, I would be outright pissed. What… Is my culture not good enough to have its own fresh and unfiltered take? I would hate to be represented as a replacement to an established character. True inclusivity would be creating an all new character in whatever industry that represents my culture, and I think most gamers are more than okay with that. I wish these justice “warriors” would get out of their own way to try and make it right for minorities. I don’t care who or what the character is as long is they’re intriguing and original. I don’t want to be represented by replacing a loved and established character-that’s cheap and honestly, insulting.
This is exactly what I think about the matter. Never had any problem with female roles or ones from other countries that are not western but the way they are replaced (like you said) nowadays is unbearable. This is the reason why I will never get into some black roles in recent LOTR adaptations. That is a fake facade. Why, are there not incredible stories and myths in Black Africa? Sure there are and plenty, too. But, of course, they don't sell. Let's make foolish and cheap representations, instead. For the record, I am playing a rare gem, masterfully done, called "Planet of Lana" with a female protagonist that feels like an authentic female protagonist with her weaknesses and strengths like any other human being in this little planet.
@@ArturoBandini-F exactly! Take the Resident Evil film series with Milla Jovovich. Who by the way was a total badass. I don’t recall anyone ever complaining that a woman was the lead actor. If anything, she was beloved by the RE fans, yet where were all these justice warriors supporting her? It’s all so fake and disingenuous. And when minorities are used as replacements, it’s so disrespectful to not only the writers and actors or characters, but also the “replacements”. It’s just a lose lose situation being sold as a righteous cause.
As I'll follow up with my own take: Anytime you see a race-swapped character, that's just Hollywood or for Gods sakes, any other Entertainment Company sweeping dust under the rug pretending to ignore the huge line of Black or Hispanic yearning to be in Director Roles, because they wanna save on money.
tbh bro, i'd rather have little but good representation than a lot of shitty one. and just saying, but when you can point at a movie like Desperado as your representation, you can pull the ladder, nobody will ever top it ;) Banderas is an absolute bad ass, Salma Hayek ... well is Salma Hayek, the action is the best you'll see next to John Woo in his prime, dialogs from Tarantino, ... if that's the representation we were given, i would throw my money at them and shove it in their pockets myself, but tbh even as a white guy i feel freakin' bad about how the woke are portraying "minorities" in their movies, black guys nowadays especially.
Jin Sakai’s story arc is essentially over. However i do see a hole where they could continue his story. I wrote my idea below. “Jin Sakai, after defeating the mongol invasion is now on the run from the shogunate. He heads to the mainland of Japan, leaving his home of trushima behind. There he learns of the corruption that has spread through the ruling body of Japan like a disease. As he cuts those of corruption down from the shadows, he learns that just removing the bad seeds would not mend the wounds of society. Soon things spiral out of control and he is forced to engage in a bloody war from the shadows. However those he must strike down hide behind a wall of innocents. With no other choices he fights through numerous bodies to remove those responsible. Now with many innocent lives having been taken by his sword he is questioning his actions. The seeds of corruption are gone but he is hollowed out inside. The weight of the choices hang heavy on his mind and he eventually gives up the sword. Swearing to never harm another innocent soul. After he recovers his mind he looks out at the society that has been left scared by his actions and decides to help once more. Not by way of the sword but by the way of the voice. Becoming a ruler, with the wisdom of his own mistakes guiding him into a better future for all of Japan.”
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Game awards arnt real dont use that as an example, the only thing real is steam reviews.
LOL YOU'LL LIVE. LOTS of female Japanese warriors back then. She's not fictional. YOU'LL LIVE.
@@Shatterglass23 did you buy the final fansty 7 remake?
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Doesn’t this just show that these sponsor links don’t work. 8 likes on your pinned comment lmao.
turns out that if you beat a dog long enough it will run away even if you raise a hand holding a treat because it sees a raised hand, truly shocking
Poetic
@@Justcallmelouconcise
@@Error-mn4el Imma screenshot this. What a great quote/analogy.
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so ure traumatized? sad. Trauma people go to the hospital, not on youtube 😂
"If you don't like it, don't buy it"...well that went well for EA when they said it....
Ubisoft too
Good thing he doesn't work for somy anymore lmao
Kelly Sue DeConnick, too.😂
@@chummygun I think that's the thing that gets me over the quote, the guy saying it hasn't worked for Sony for 5 years now.
@Krypto121true but if the ones who are complaining are THE dedicated fans then that’s a completely different story
pattern recognition is a damn good way to explain it. its the devs fault that they conditioned actual customers to recoil from shoehorned issues.
They’ve generated a quasi effective misogyny. It’s ironic, but I also suspect it’s by design.
Buddy you do realize the different devs work for different companies right? What goes on in one studio has literally nothing to do with a different studio
One thing you always have to keep in mind is look at the track record of the studio / developers actively working on the game. Ubisoft has had a CONSISTENT track record since roughly 2016 of working on absolute trash tear agenda-driven bullshit.
Compare that to sucker Punch who has had a VERY consistent track record of doing the exact opposite. Consistently putting out banger after banger and even recently with Ghost of tsushima you can look at how they handle a strong female co-lead. They handled it perfectly and delivered a fantastic piece of work!
So I'd say it's pretty safe to assume we're in the clear with getting a good game on this one.
As usual, actman doesn't see the elephant in the room. It isn't a 'cry wolf' scenario if the wolf was actually there more often than not.
If the boy in the story had this kind of success rate in calling out the wolf, villagers would've recognized the pattern and made him the official village scout.
Right, but pattern recognition doesn't mean you've recognized an actual pattern when it happens. I think a more appropriate description of what we do is the following : Do you know that game where a person starts drawing and you have to guess what they are drawing, and you say what it ''is'' before it's finished? We are basically good at "filling things in". The person might end up drawing something completely different from what you say they are doing, but we fill in anyway.
And that's why learning about causality, and how to withhold your first thoughts and think about them first is useful. To regulate your tendency to fill things in and/or freely associate anything to be connected , to check how valid or likely it is whatever conclusions you are making with the little bits you have, or are you premature in your conclusions and instead withhold making conclusions/ignore your initial impressions recognizing it's not based on enough info. Same mechanism is involved in becoming racist or superstitions etc. Always based on some bits of actual experience since no one truly completely makes shit up, BUT we fill things in if we don't take a step back and examine what we are doing.
@@nubbyfresh5623three points to consider:
1. Ghost of Tsushima had low-key woke. No attractive women for one and there was a prominent old lesbian samurai character.
2. It's not just the studios and devs...Sony has a heavy hand in all 1st party studios and they're all in on woke.
3. Games have long development cycles...GoT came out in 2020...was most likely in development since 2015. The woke started ramping up in 2016 so you can see the start of it in GoT...but it's REALLY ramped up since 2020... just look at the shocking difference between God of War 2018 to Ragnarok.
Time will tell but given the performance artist chosen for the lead and that this is Sony...I will be genuinely surprised if the game doesn't have some heavily subversive themes.
Last thought...given Sucker Punch's pedigree I'm sure it will be gorgeous with polished fun gameplay...but the best propaganda is made so that you'll love it. Arcane comes to mind...well done artful and masterful propaganda is still propaganda.
"Female protagonists aren't the issue, its the inauthentic way that the industry has handled "inclusivity" over the last few years that has caused players to recoil at the sight of anything that resembles it."
You absolutely nailed it here.
Yes it is the issue we DONT WANT TO PLAY A FEMALE ACTION HERO. They are trying to get rid of masculinity
But tbf this character isn't some woke DEI thing at all, and is just expanding on the world. Her being a woman isn't going to negatively impact the story in any way, and its set in a completely different area for a reason. Them going away from the main character is them signaling they want to make the "Ghosts of ___" a thing. This could open up so many GOOD things, Imagine a "Ghosts of Cardiff" or some other place in Europe with a focus on medieval combat. I feel like people have started with the idea that this will be bad because of a female protagonist, and are finding evidence for that and nitpicking everything. I feel this isn't throwing away our fan favorite characters, as it is expanding on the world they already have. Unless they kill him off in the first 10minutes of the game, its almost a guarantee that we'll see him again. Like he came to the conclusion in the video, we really just gotta wait and see, but if I had to bet money on this, its going to be a great game, and a GOTY contender.
@@0h_hey944 the character might not be, but the voice actress categorically is. Don't play dumb by willfully ignoring why people are pointing DEI out. It's easy to say everything's fine when you live with horse blinders on.
@@bwhere45 _"the character might not be, but the voice actress categorically is. Don't play dumb by willfully ignoring why people are pointing DEI out. It's easy to say everything's fine when you live with horse blinders on."_
Are you sure that you want to die on that hill ?
You use this word DEI, a word that you yourself have never use before until you heard it being use by someone else.
You then regurgitate a word that you don't even understand its meaning and its origin.
Here's a hint the word DEI is in the context that you were just regurgitating, its origin is from conservative politic.
Conservative incels basement dwellers use it to put down woman.
Now ask yourself this: Am I also one of those Conservative incels basement dwellers ?
Think the typical nerd base of white men needs to grow up and learn that it’s literally a non issue.
You just nailed it, my man. Nothing wrong with female protagonists, but activist game designers have turned it into a red flag. People need to wait until they know more before judging the game, but being suspicious at this point is completely justified.
At least they are not catering to the right-wing.
@@ethanwintersseveredhand What does it even mean to "cater to the right wing"
@@ethanwintersseveredhanddefine right wing.
Dude. They're saying space marine 2 is woke and dei. When you stand on the same side of the racists. It's hard to pick you out.
@@aaronhumphrey3514 capitalists/bigots like you. And @lordharagnok
It's the devs fault for making their customers "hyper sensitive" to possible modern audience BS.
Yep.
I don’t think having a female protagonist is a “modern audience “ ( critical drink TM) problem.
Samus was female and well loved
Ripley in alien is well loved.
Jin was a very bland character in my opinion
While I don’t think odyssey is the best AC game I do like Kassandra as a protagonist
And this is coming from a 20 year Warcraft player who doesn’t play female or body type 2(lol) models
@@commandershepard7728my brother in christ, this woman WOULD NOT be part of the project if the game's narrative didn't align with her politics
Nah, you should be able to use basic critical thinking to understand the context of seeing a woman or a minority in the wild. If your first thought is that it's gotta be pandering, you're still part of the problem.
@@Halfort57The first game ALREADY aligned with her politics. One of the most prominent characters in Tsushima is Lady Masako, an older 50-plus year old warrior woman who banged younger chicks on the side.
Literally nothing we’ve seen about Yotei betrays the spirit of what was already established in the first game.
I've never played a single character that looked like me and never needed it to relate to them.
"Representation" and "Inclusivity" is meaningless.
Fr
Is your opinion the only one that matters?
Isn’t that why we have character creation?
@@Lios959 Take your meds.
For you it is, you are not the center of the world. Everyone is different, and their minds function unlike yours or any others.
Gotta be honest. Jin was a fantastic protagonist. But I'm much more excited for a brand new story with brand new characters than I am watching Jin get his shit kicked in by a new adversary just to keep the sense of danger despite the fact that the previous game established he was nearly unkillable. Sequels tend to suck for me if they aren't drasticly changing their gameplay or giving you new characters that aren't established badasses yet.
So you rather play a weak female samurai warrior fighting against strong grown men that are way too powerful for her.
@@kiddgemini2068 rage bait won't work here. Be better.
@@kiddgemini2068 you do realise that samurai don't only use raw strength to fight, right? the whole fighting style is about redirecting/deflecting attacks and agile, flowing movement, compared to the brutish strength the mongols use (if that's even who the antagonists will be).
of course you are right that there would be a strength imbalance, but its important to consider that it isn't the only factor here
plus, for gameplay purposes it doesn't really matter anyway cause of suspension of disbelief and all that
@@kiddgemini2068 shotei is 400 years after tsushima, jins dead move on
@kiddgemini2068 First off you don't even know if she is a samurai. Secondly they had female samurai. Third Jin was saved by women in his game. Take your rage bait elsewhere
Sony has yet again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
I had to read that like 4 times. It's to early to make me have to think.
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Lmfao
This game will definitely be a victory for Sony when it releases, regardless of any political narrative people try to spin on it.
No. I honestly think in this case it's simply trolls and low brain cell commenters on the internet that are driving all of the discourse with this.
One thing you always have to keep in mind is look at the track record of the studio / developers actively working on the game. Ubisoft has had a CONSISTENT track record since roughly 2016 of working on absolute trash tear agenda-driven bullshit.
Compare that to sucker Punch who has had a VERY consistent track record of doing the exact opposite. Consistently putting out banger after banger and even recently with Ghost of tsushima you can look at how they handle a strong female co-lead. They handled it perfectly and delivered a fantastic piece of work!
So I'd say it's pretty safe to assume we're in the clear with getting a good game on this one.
As RomanianTVee says:
It's like if you find me squatting on your kitchen table, with my pants down and a pained expression on my face, and, when you accuse me of shitting on your table, I said, "but how do you know it's shit when it isn't out yet?"
True!
But if you would be on the kitchen table like this, usually the thing that comes out is shit.
Same goes here. People recognize a situation and based on the years of experience they have now, they expect a certain outcome. Expection anything else would be insane.
Exactly.
100%
Vee is a fence sitting commie
Games was already diverse until they started telling us there games are diverse
That's what I'm saying. Decades worth of incredible stories and characters have been ignored just to create unnecessary division and strife in the games industry.
Even the most diverse setting ever, Cyberpunk 2077, will have a new game awful, because diversity agenda will be forced there, even if everything is already 100% diverse.
Its why its so backwards now, Ghost of tsushima was diverse and rich with a beautifully accurate portrayal of Japan back when, while with games now they say their diverse, but so many of them are filled with so much discrimination and blatant offensive content towards the cultures they are derived from
Tetris never had to worry about being diverse and Mrs Pacman broke glass ceilings before most of these modern feminists were even a sperm in their deadbeat fathers balls.
Most gamers are White guys or Asian guys especially when it comes to RPG's
"If you don't like it, don't buy it"
Okay 🤷♂️
Nobody cares
@@reguisthesjw7796ur mom cares😉
@@reguisthesjw7796 there definitely have been people who care.. hence the countless articles from hollywood press or games journalists about "toxic consumers".
@@reguisthesjw7796Battlefield V's head devs did the same and the game flopped hard, people care LMAO
@@reguisthesjw7796
You're right. You can shut up now.
"You have to force behaviors. If you don't force behaviors, whether it's gender or race or just any way you want to say the composition of your team, you're going to be impacted. That not just recruiting, it's development," Fink said. "We're gonna have to force change." Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock.
100% true
He can force his fist up his Chocha that blackrock bastard.
You are absolutely right. The people who think woke media is ending because companies have lost millions clearly haven't been paying enough attention. Millions is a chump change to BlackRock, ESG won't go away anytime soon. Not to mention woke games like BG3, CP2077 and GoWR to name a few were very successful despite being clearly agenda driven.
Do yourself a favor: swap out Rat Fink's name for a certain mustachioed painter. You'll discover that the sentiment being expressed (and the INCREDIBLE arrogance behind it) are one-and-the-same.
@@Ambander-p3xHe was against the painter because he saw him as _competition,_ when both of them are equally horrible people.
Go be an NPC someplace else.
"Alt-right Japanese politicians" OMG please stop I cant take it anymore, my sides hurt 😂😂
I think USA doesn’t understand that the world politics isn’t same as theirs lol
I don’t think US understands that every other country has different politics huh
@@tdspkhype3042Yeah, our country has half of the population wanting Communism and Marxism
Japanese mainstream politicians are not even alt-, they are openly right wing nazi-style, glorifying all the war crimes Japan commited in ww2 like mass slaughter of civilians and human experiments.
Japan is also a country where the same right wing party rules for 50+ years and it's impossible to win against it because it's supported by US.
"If you don't like it, don't buy it"
Gamers: "alright , BET!!!"
Let’s vote with our wallet! A 100% no buy for me!
If you think this game won't sell you may be a little too far down that delusional hole you're in 😂
Yup, it’s not even about the actress anymore, but about how game developers and producers treat gamers-like cattle on a farm.
Or like stray dogs being thrown the bones from yesterday's dinner. Until I get atleast the basic respect, they won’t get a penny from me.
@@Demial_Spardaso you won't buy a game because someone who isn't involved with the game said so? Ok.... Don't buy any games ever again
Don't worry lil bro ghost of yotei is gonna be one of the biggest sellers next year
Stellar blade was a massive hit and the cast was only asian women. We don't hate anyone, we hate being used
Nah, you just hate not getting that sweet booty you like so much. I can smell your secretions from over here dude x''D
Poor Adam 😢
@@harleywilson8829 Adam and Orcal be like: 🗿
I'm just going to play Ghost of Tsushima and Space Marine 2 again.
Sadly even Space Marine 2 hasn’t been spared being dragged into these ridiculous conversations.
Space Marine 2 has also been called "woke" a lot too.
Really why ? @TriFekt
@@TriFektbecause it is. Just not as bad as many others.
@@LawrenceNewman-f1z say it man. I know you want to. dont be a coward.
Actually, there is a very good and consistent reason why people would not want to support this game over a single voice actor. They have learned over the past decade or so of games devolving into a censored, sanitized and micro-transacted mess that it is a very bad idea to keep giving money to people who hate, despise, and have no respect for you or what you do to earn your dollars - but will happily relieve you of them, while calling you a bigot.
As you said many times, the corporations made the industry this way, and they are now reaping what they have sown. Maybe you are not at the point where you think this is a reasonable reaction, but many other are.
They do not want to fund people who see them as the enemy, and I cannot blame them one bit.
Everyone is everyone enemies nowadays. Dont buy anything, hide in a hole and enjoy
Exactly. Why the hell should people give their money to people who despise them and call them things like nazi, incel, man baby, etc? I just don't get it.
@@xmatthyx1 Spoken like an enemy. But, no, we will not be hiding any time soon 😂
Plenty of good indie and older games to play, we do not suffer for lack of quality games.
This. Plus, as it has to keep being pointed out -- Sucker Punch hired this person as the lead for their game, knowing full well what she represents. If I'm a creative director I'm going to want someone who best represents my creation, and if I'm hiring someone like that then it means my views and her views align. The fact that people don't see this is actually almost more frustrating than the typical blogger responses, because Sucker Punch has full control over who they hire, and they could have hired any Japanese VA out there, but they specifically sought out... this person.
@@BobSmith-kk4kp i wasn't specifically aiming it at you but if you feel threatened at every turn, how anxious must you be in your life day-to-day moment. Watch the good place, you'll see what I mean.
I'm more annoyed that they didn't follow up on Jin's story with the obvious hook the 2nd invasion provides than I am at the choice for the new protagonist. That said, me expressing that opinion somehow got someone to accuse me of irrationally hating on the new game.
There is still hope they can bring it back for the third game.
Same here. Me saying that i was attacked accused of being a sexist when all I said was I was disappointed after a 4 year wait that I don’t get a sequel of Jin.
Idk I feel like it was supposed to be like that they told his story, wanted to have it end to tell their next, but also wanted to say “His work still isn’t done”. I never played the game yet so I could be wrong tho I just imagine it like a spiderman sort of thing where it ends a story with the writers showing despite it all spiderman has much more he will be doing off screen
Even worse, if Yotei was the 3rd installment after Jin´s story had finished in a second game, I would have welcomed it. There was so much still open in the narative. What happens with his relationship to his uncle( if you didn´t kill him, which I think was the canon ending), what happend with him being hunted by the shogunate, did he join or create a ninja-esque clan, the second mogol invasion, his realtionships with all the great characters( did the sake merchant/swindler ever make it to the main land or did Jin?) what happend to Yuna and his (maybe) relationship with her, does Jin have a legacy? And while a few of these things could be sprinkled into Yotei it will not be the same as if we would have expirienced with Jin as the MC.
And even worse worse, since Yotei plays 300 years after the first game, the chances of us ever getting Jin back as an MC are probably zero....
@@deadhelix you haven’t played the game? Ah then your thoughts are invalid my guy. Play the game
4:08 no it doesn’t make sense. That thinking is why we get fifa games every year. Jins story is done. He doesnt need another game and if you think he does, you don’t understand how proper stories work. The devs didnt make dustborn or concord they made Ghost of Tsushima. We know they can make a good game. Players are just mad that there is a female protagonist. thats it.
Agreed
Preach dawg, like let the game drop and then we can all judge it. I have high hopes for the gameplay and mechanics, i just hope they take the story seriously as well
The game industry with its activists unintentionally trained their audiences to think like this.
They created their own monster and expected it to give them money
Obsidian made Fallout New Vegas woke and expected to get their bonuses too. LOL /s
@@Edax_Royeaux It is a pretty popular game.
@@justaguy3983 Only got a 84 on metacritic on release, so no bonuses for Obsidian because it needed 85+ per their deal with Bethesda.
I love the "we only have our opinions because you made us have them!" take ownership for your dumbass opinion and move on.
In my place, there's a saying "if you see a cockroach, good chance is there are a whole den of cockroaches hiding somewhere nearby". Those "warriors" just happen to hire people that think like them and repel anyone don't, and many members in the original group have left, so there's also a good chance the hiring of that actress is the one cockroach we see .... A legitimate concern IMHO
Yes I worked for micro$soft gaming studios for many years. Its the rats you don't see that pervade 90% of modern gaming studios.
Great analogy. One of the best comment here.
And she's nothing more then the face of the game. Yup, of course, the game is for sure free of political drama. 🙃
@@Chung_Wang what do you do now? Did all the normal guys just quit and fall off the face of the earth? Why didn’t they create an actor’s guild or a video game company that makes non-woke games?
Likening Sucker Punch to a den of cockroaches...
Did Actman really just criticize people for making TH-cam videos about what to be mad at? I guess Mr. Sunshine can’t hear his own bullshit through that vocal fry.
You lack critical thinking skills 😂
@@GreatRaijinI think you meant that towards act man.
It's just a shame andypantsgaming messed up that debate and went crazy over it. It would have been a great opportunity to call out act man for the shill that he truly is.
@@thathandsomedevil0828andypants fumbled hard and just revealed that he was a clown. My favorite part of the debate was when they actually talked about games
Actman has criticised DEI and woke elements in games before. Great example is the world war 2 call of duty titles. He's also right here that we need to be careful about what we call woke. In saying that, Andys video about games becoming gay now is spot on. He really just fell into the trap of looking like a crazy grifter in that debate.
If you genuinely think THE ghost of tsushima sequel wont get players because the protagonist is a woman, ur out of ur mind
I saw that pattern so many times, that I need less and less information to recognize it again. I won't be fooled again, I see where this game is going.
I'm still hoping for it to be a good game. I'm not gonna be hyped about it but I'm also not gonna start hating it just because the main character has tits
Where is it going?
@@Unjerry_s Insufferable "strong independent" main character, boring, predictable, shallow story of revenge or betrayal (of a terrible male of course, every woman will be virtous or at least very well justified) , inclusion of gay people on every step ( they will be cool guys as well), today's world problems reflected in feudal Japan, critic of any authority and my favourite - virtue signaling.
If you don't care about story, they'll probably fuck something up with gameplay too, activists always do, like stupid AI, optimization, dumb unfitting character design, unsatisfactory character progression.
I hope I'm wrong, but that's the direction I think it's heading.
@@El_Gran_JefeYou sound insufferable
@@El_Gran_Jefe damn bro, you might be right
But this is not all. Just after Ghost of Yotei was announced, certain journalists started asking "Oh why is everyone defending this bland ass man", referencing Jin. Somehow Jin became a bad character overnight in favor of the new female protagonist. Most of us really wanted to see more of Jin and belive the ending for GoT was hinting that may be the case. Then again, people on social media started crapping all over claiming "Jin's story is over, you are just sexist" or some other horse shit.
No the last game was clearly leading up to a continuation of Jin's story...
It's not Witcher 3.... Witcher 3 CLEARLY ends Geralts story, not only does his own clan of Witchers dissolve, he gets to choose his final love interest and set Ciri up for her own adventures... he also gets to actually go on pension with his own vineyard in the DLC.
Geralts story is pretty wrapped up and done with. So that Ciri is the next main character is so clearly sat up and worked toward in the previous game.
...... There was no build up, wrapping up or sat up here... It was so obviously some consultant saying. "But you can't have a male protagonist, it must be female. That lady can do stuff, make the game about her."
Watch Endymion's latest video on this and Assassin's Creed Shadows. The initial plan, based on his sources, was to continue Jin's story. Apparently they changed direction within the last year or so.
Combine wanting to have more of Jin's story with how Sony has fumbled sequels of some of its best games with the "for modern audiences" approach (Last of Us 2, Horizon Forbidden West, Spiderman 2, God of War: Ragnorak) and it's no wonder people are concerned with Ghost of Yotei.
I mean jins story ended. It has nowhere interesting to go next. No emotional hook. No easy way of starting the game without undermining the first. Everyone since the dawn of time have been apprehensive with protagonist changes. I remember when everyone hated the idea of playing as arthur in red dead. They then played him and ended up liking him more. Same with last of us 2. A lot of people hated the change but the change made sense and frankly after playing it most realised Joel wouldn't have worked as well. It's not worth commenting on until the game comes out. Are you sexist for not liking the change? No. But you are being stupid if you already adamant the change was the wrong one.
@@bopsie55 While I do agree many people have concerns with a change in protagonists, using The Last of Us 2 as an example of something that worked is a very poor example. Yes, some people liked the change, but MANY people--even those who less critical of current direction of gaming--did not like it. You can say you did and some others did but to act as if most people did is rewriting history. RDR2 may be a better example but considering I never played the first one and wasn't deep into gaming news then, I cannot give an accurate portrayal of the fans concerns with that game.
As far as Jin goes, saying there's nowhere to go with his story is solely built on your opinion (which is fine) but has no basis on fact; from a storytelling perspective, I mean. There was PLENTY of things to touch on with his story. Japan was still inundated with the Mongols; he could have created his own band of ghosts to combat the invaders, and that's not even thinking about some of the situations he could find himself in with new characters. He's also an enemy of the Shogun. How would that affect his story? Being an enemy to those who you helped fight against invaders? If you personally did not want to see more of Jin, that's fair, but to say his story had nowhere to go is just incorrect.
Wait till he's killed with the ancient Japanese golf club in the sequel
I didn't even play the first game in english😂
Edit: tbh I did see that the old team responsible for the first ghost are not working on yotei so...
Was it not the same actors?
@@bannedmann4469 ghost of yote takes place roughly 300 years after ghost of tsushima... I highly doubt they're going to get the same voice actors😂
Wait, are you talking about the voice actors or the development staff?
@@kirishimatheredriot8002 the devs are different
I think he meant, are they not the same actors that did both the english and japanese voice acting for ghost of tsushima@@nubbyfresh5623
Really thanks for ur Videos, lately they are so on point. With basically saying "ur right about being disappointed" but to also keep some sanity and chill - which is lacking a lot recently (which I find way more concerning).
Keep them up, glad that I found ur Channel!
Gamers had been hurt for so long, they can't hope a game companies to make good games anymore. Once there's a small change the game has a problem, gamers react how the previous games has been.
It's hard to be not sceptical anymore, and not thinking for the worse.
We shouldn't let these people drag us down to their level. There's nothing with Ghost of Yotei that warrants being so skeptical yet, maybe that will change later on but right now there's no reason to be so upset. Fans got angry about Solid Snake being switched out for Raiden in Metal Gear Solid 2, now he's a fan favorite character but he didn't start out that way. Nero wasn't liked at first upon his introduction in Devil May Cry 4 but in DMC5 he's now a favorite too.
Point is we can't assume anything just yet, I understand feeling burned by recent titles but we can't start preemptively judging for things like the gender of the main character. If we allow ourselves to sink that low then we're no better than the people who caused this problem because that's exactly what they do.
Preach
@@MrEffectfilms They hired someone who hates you. How do you not see that as something that isn't wrong? That's like making a game about basketball and the lead actor for the story mode hates basketball fans.
@@Billy-bc8pk WTF are you talking about?! She doesn't know who I am! Stop trying to tell me how I should feel about something. I don't give a rats ass about the personal beliefs and feelings of an actress, she's there to do a job and that's it. I don't know her and she doesn't know me and I won't use her political beliefs as an excuse to preemptively hate on something.
An insider has said the the ending Wokei is going to piss everyone off.
I don't get that whole narrative of "we need representation in games so the underprivileged can identify with the protagonist". Maybe I'm old but when I started gaming in the 1980's, I didn't have to "identify with" Mrs Pacman to enjoy the game, or Giana's Sister, or Mario, or the frog that tries to cross a road... I was just PLAYING A GAME.
I don't care if a figure on a screen is a man/woman/whatever, as long as the story makes SENSE.
Unfortunately, none of the aggressively positive narration game (that end up being extremely toxic in the end) have ANY STORY. I have a feeling the kick-off call for most of those projects ran like this "White man -bad, everyone else -good. Go!'
It’s just an excuse they use to ram their agenda down your throat.
I also started gaming in the 80's. Back when you were _never_ cool if you played video games. The reason they push this DEI nonsense is B/C China funds it here in the west. While banning any of these things in their country. They fund DEI in the west to the tune of trillions, BTW.
Perfectly said!
Most of it ends up shallow.
The character can be male, female, nonbinary, whatever else, but whatever or whoever the character is identified as won't matter whatsoever if the character has as much depth as a puddle.
Even worse now that if you say anything wrong about non-male characters, especially in large triple A games, you get hordes of corpo bootlickers ready to stir shit up because you said something "wrong" about the character and what (little) that character represents.
The whole concept of DEI is so foul. They have this ideology that everyone is oppressed apart from straight white men and they feel like they have to represent them without putting any personality to the characters. The gaming industry is foul.
The fact that SBI and Sony are partners only makes things more difficult to take apart.
Look I always wanted a new protagonist, Jin’s story was done so much that the fact that I don’t even want to touch the dlc. And I’m ok with a female protagonist asking as is it not her only character trait.
It's scorched earth until these companies learn their lesson.
😂😂😂 their wallets are still getting bigger and bigger. Some people play games for a distraction. Not political statements. 😂😂
@@104thSpecialGrade Ubisoft shareholders will be so relieved to hear that they can ignore the share price, because 104thSpecialGrade from the TH-cam comments section reckons their wallets are just getting bigger and bigger 🤡
@@104thSpecialGrade Ubisoft lost 9 billion dollars. Even if they have infinite money, the infinite greed of their shareholders have will still put people's heads on the chopping block.
Scorched earth? My guy we talking about video games. Get a grip.
@@taia-b8f I'll get a grip when the infestation is over.
7:19 THIS! You hit the nail on the head, this is literally it!
Gamers have NEVER hated strong female characters, because they were almost always very well written and relatable.
What they have and will continue to hate is the disingenuity and pandering used when presenting the new "modern" versions.
I think thats because they were almost always designed and written by men.
Thats not to say women are bad writers, but men know what men like. Men can write relatable characters that appeal to other men better than women can, for obvious reasons.
And today, with so much more women in game dev, even characters that are still written by men have a much more feminine influence. They are... inoffensive, at best. The overall big studio culture, everywhere in the west, is such that male writers take care not to step on any toes, let alone risk offending some of their progressive colleagues, and female writers just write what they know and like, but that often doesnt appeal to most of the players (men) that much.
@MrDezokokotar Yes, women written by women are like men without responsibility and accountability. Of course that's always ugly.
@@MrDezokokotar
Your comment reminds me of all those nerdy protagonists like Peter Parker that got the babe in the end.
The sad reality about your comment is that most women aren’t relatable to today’s men. Most men value honor and loyalty. Today’s women (not all/but most in high paying corporate positions) don’t value honor and loyalty due to their feminine nature of monkey branching for the next best thing.
If Peter Parker were to butt heads with Clark Kent, Mary Jane would definitely monkey branch over to Clark Kent since he’s much more powerful as Superman compared to Spiderman. It’s sad, but it is reality. Most people call that the red pill.
Most men would get men with writing about brotherhood, loyalty, and respect. In the past, they set a standard for how women should behave in order to get the partner they desire. Women would know what men would want from them based off of these stories written by men. This in turn, set a standard in the dating scene for men and women to treat each other with respect.
A woman, on the other hand, would write about greed for a man’s character as that’s usually hard wired into a female personality that plays into their monkey branching nature. Some of the best villains in video game history weren’t crazy about greed… they were crazy about love, honor, loyalty, respect, etc (Dutch Van Der Linde, Voss from far cry 3, and Raul Menedez were amazing villains to name a few). A woman wouldn’t have a standard to set when writing about a woman because most women view being independent from men as a sign of power rather than weakness (when it’s really a sign of weakness since no one is dependent on her love).
To put things frank and bluntly, men still want stories with women written by men because men still value loyalty, respect, and honor. Loyalty, respect, and honor are hard to get out of today’s modern female. In most cases, male writing of women are perfect forms of male escapism as most of us men will never experience that kind of love, honesty, loyalty, and respect from a woman because they will just see us as a person that pays the bills for their way of life.
In the past, I used to think of Hollywood writers as if they were wise and fatherly in how they portrayed characters through their stories. A good fatherly figure thinks about consequences and outcomes to actions. A good writer does the same thing as most good storytelling has a lot of great consequences due to actions or lack thereof. I think a big problem with modern society is that everyone thinks they are a “great writer” due to 120 characters on their average social media posting. The psychology of guilt within social media has put activists on a pedestal to the point that they are now the clergy class of society that dictates virtue to the masses. That and our nonstop need for instant gratification is getting bad to the point that entire generations like generation z are synonymously characterized with brainrot.
"Gamers have NEVER hated strong female characters, because they were almost always very well written and relatable. "
This might be the most absurd comment I've read today. Yeah, NEVER hated, ALWAYS well written"
@@Edax_Royeauxexplain?
If customers dont like tomatoes, and the restaurant keeps putting tomatoes in their food, then releases a new dish that has a tomato all over it... it doesnt matter if the food is good even with the tomatoes in it. Theyre gonna stop eating at the restaurant because you insist on putting tomatoes in their food, and even when they ask the restaurant to remove them, theyre either ignored or mocked by the kitchen staff. That person leaves and so does their money, then the restaurant is closed and the staff laid off and theyre like "I dont know what happened!"
I've been making this argument to people dumping on people getting upset that the yotei protag was a "body type 2". Like perhaps theyre new to the whole thing, but you poke and poke and poke the bear, the bear will eventually consider you a threat, and will attack as soon as you lift your hand. Act Ma'am likes to appeal to the boy who cried wolf but the false equivalency there is that the boy who was crying wolf in this instance actually saw wolves and the villagers have been ignoring him the whole time... and now he sees a pair of eyes in the bushes and since theyve been coming around so often, its no surprise at all, (even though people who like the changes like to act like it is) that he's preemptively trying to get someone to deal with the wolf. If the game is fine, this will be the one time, where the villagers came and will be the one time there was no wolf.
Using the boy who cried wolf is a bad analogy to explain what has been happening, and is only apt to you, if you have been ignoring the decline of triple A titles that adjusted to put diversity at the forefront of their philosophy and deleted male protags to make way for the new lady character, only for the games to decline in popularity or the story to take some weird-ass left turn.
👍👍!!!
Ghost in Yotei has a tomato in it! REEE. SCORCHED EARTH! ACT OUTRAGED OVER TOMATOS!
@@Edax_Royeaux Shut up, lol. If you're going to ignore my whole point dont bother commenting.
@@malikfoxen2045 Your point is countered by the outrage farm over "tomatoes". Precious few in this comment section are engaging in "Well I prefer not to eat tomatoes" rhetoric, and instead prefer to act persecuted, rooting for a game and company to fail based on very limited knowledge.
Same thing happened with the GTA VI trailer, woke panic based on very limited knowledge. And I'm virtually certain GTA VI will NOT be the next Concord in terms of revenue.
"deleted male protags to make way for the new lady character" That is certainly one way to spin a game being set centuries after the first one. "Deleting male protag!" *GET OUTRAGED*
The thing is this wasn't really happening before 2016, the agenda, the politics, the actors with their ideologies, etc people forget this was an explosive event which turned into a culture war, how many franchises were destroyed by the term woke, because star wars and lord of the rings have been the victims and you can physically see it.
Don't downplay that threat because this goes beyond games and movies.
It was happening for at least 200 years, but society was more traditional in its outlook so the liberalization process hadn’t radically altered the west (and to a lesser extent, the world) yet. The French Revolution is east to point to as the first instance of liberalism being thrust on a population and destroying traditions and culture.
It was happening for at least 200 years, but society was more traditional in its outlook so the liberalization process hadn’t radically altered the west (and to a lesser extent, the world) yet. The French Revolution is east to point to as the first instance of liberalism being thrust on a population and destroying traditions and culture.
It was happening for at least 200 years, but society was more traditional in its outlook so the liberalization process hadn’t radically altered the west (and to a lesser extent, the world) yet. The French Revolution is east to point to as the first instance of liberalism being thrust on a population and destroying traditions and culture
it's not woke, wokies are just the shield/useful idiots. what we are dealing with is nothing else than bolshevism 2.0 with the very same people financing and pushing it. but hey, they're our greatest allies in the middle east, even if the benefits only ever go one way of course, unless you're a politician that is.
@@anon2427
200 years?
But jews have been thrown out of 109 countries for 1200 years of recorded history now.
Hey dude, just wanna say you've risen to become my favorite channel on yt. Basically when a new video drops, I stop what I'm doing to watch. I don't know how else to say this but you bring so much reason to these conversations, while bringing a brutal honesty w/o falling into incivility like so many others. Also seeing around the industry you're being mentioned a lot, Gene Park from washington post for example has said he likes your content. keep it up
Haven't seen Gene mention me before, but thank you. I have no issue discussing difficult topics, and I try to give my honest opinion on things. As I've talked about on livestreams, it's much easier to be myself than to pretend to be someone I'm not. I'd have a mental breakdown, haha.
@@LegendaryDrops Yeah Gene mentioned it on one of the podcasts from Last Stand Media, referenced your last ubisoft video. It's definitely gone around! In addition to the space marine 2 story a bit ago involving the ceo (thru an asmon react but still a big deal lol). End of the day, authenticity sells and your takes are clearly resonating with a lot us. But just wanted to say good shit dude, I'll try to catch a livestream at some point.
15:23 Spielberg is wrong about one thing - Games DID reach a very high emotional impact. But not anymore, and as long as they keep trying to be like movies, they won't.
Damn right. I can think of two examples off the top of my head. Asura's Wrath brought me to tears of sorrow at one point and tears of joy at it's ending. (I won't spoil those.)
Mass Effect 2 had a point where I changed my position in an argument over it. This one I'll explain.
Garrus's loyalty mission. It sounds so simple: His little vigilante crew got betrayed and all but himself and the traitor were killed. He's finally tracked down the traitor and asks only that Shepard engage the traitor in conversation so Garrus can snipe him. Just before you get off the shuttle out to the location, Garrus and Shepard discuss just killing the traitor without even speaking to him. Garrus's final line is "If it was your crew, what would you do?" Shepard doesn't answer aloud, but the question alone caused me to reconsider the situation and in the end, stand aside for the shot to be taken. Because yeah, I would want to do far worse than the cold, instant and impersonal execution of a snipers shot.
Is that reaction rational? No. It's purely an emotional one. It's a sentiment and feeling, not a logical conclusion or reasoned change of position.
There have been other games, but those two are the ones that immediately sprang to mind in reply to Spielberg's position.
Games have reached that because of the movie industry and now has forgotten what it was supposed to be in the first place.
@@rodrigofreitas3288 very keen observation...
Most movies in the past 10 years has been TERRIBLE! Games gave been better - SIMPLE
Robert DeNiro is an absolute lunatic in real life, but I still watch Goodfellas once a year. The voice actress and direction Sony has been going are massive red flags, but given how much I loved GoT, I'm going to give it a chance. Plus, I play in Japanese anyways, so don't care about her lol
You overlook the fact thst it isn't a single member of Tsushima making Yotei
How is Deniro a lunatic in real life?
I see youre going for "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" route. Ok. lol
@@Mulchavelli TDS
@@AzurePursuer you are full of crap. It’s the same development team.
Did ghost of tsusima end with a cliff hanger? No. The story ended. So instead of dragging out an already finished story beyond its intended conclusion create a new story with a new protagonist. This is how new stories and characters get created. Not everything has to have a million sequels with the same tired old characters. Not everything is a Disney creation.
Didn't end with a cliffhanger but ended with "there are still Mongols out there. Let's get them" or something which was kinda sequel baity
Making people "feel seen" is an inherently _bad_ thing, because art is not about inclusiveness. Art is not about making people feel seen, it's not about adhering to a political or ideological stance.
Art is about _personal expression._ And I don't mean that in the artsy-fartsy kind of way. I believe skill and technique should go into art, and in fact, I don't even think art is subjective in a broad sort of way.
But the moment you say, "We're going to change or make the game in this way because otherwise we would be bad people," you've destroyed the foundation of the art and you've made instead a bureaucratic product.
If you like the way black people look, or act, and you want that in your story, that's art.
If you put them in there because you _should,_ that may be a lot of things. It may be pandering or kindness or a "product" or marketing or sanctimony or "for the good of mankind," but it isn't art.
>it's not about adhering to a political or ideological stance.
thats just plain wrong. art is whatever its creator want to be. some of the most classic/beloved games like Metal Gear Solid or Spec Ops the line or nier series are all inherently political and are about making a stance.
art CAN also be about making people feel seen
Art with political views have been a thing for over a century, I don't know what rock you people have been living under. Do yall just live in asmongolds basement?
While there are a lot of bad art out there. You just strip away nearly every purpose of making by saying art is not about expression of most of the important things in life. You seem to just not like what some people expressed.
reading this makes me miss stealth games.
as those games either ended or changed to stealth is optional to apeal to a different audience.
@@gelinrefira You and that other guy lack comprehensive reading skills so i'll simplify it for you: Ticking off a checklist is not art.
Cyberpunk 2077 is a great example of having “inclusive” stuff in a game that is authentically implemented is not a problem. You can modify yourself in that game but because it works within the world that CDPR made it isn’t a problem.
People don’t like forced agenda, that’s it…
cyberpunk was made right when cd projekt red was starting to go woke
you can bet your ass the sequel is going to be absolutely insufferable
@@tempoaccla4041 You sound insufferable, if a game isn't nothing but straight white men you think it's instantly woke lmao.
Depends on who you ask. According to some Cyberpunk is woke, Space Marine 2 is woke, Skyrim is woke & Helldivers is woke. Anything with a person of color, non straight or a female is now woke according to some. It's hard to take it seriously when it's so loosely applied to everything
Cyberpunk never felt authentic like the Matrix or Mr Robot. It tried to copy that vibe, but couldn’t because it tried too hard doing what Star Wars Outlaws did in portraying an “outlaw” or “punk” as a good guy. AC Valhalla did the same thing and the Vikings are historically known for plunder and evil deeds. Heck, I would get shadow banned into oblivion for mentioning historically accurate Viking lore on YT.
TBF most of these companies creating these blockbuster matrix style products as video games and movies are the very antithesis to those products of video games and movies. To be frank, they are the living embodiment of the bad guys that Johnny Silverhand hates.
RDR2 was successful compared to Cyberpunk because it actually allowed you to be a bad guy in the game. That and it didn’t take 3 years to become playable after release.
In short, inclusivity hindered the story of Cyberpunk because the story didn’t feel raw and edgy like how the actual punk genre began. Punk had its roots in going against the mainstream. Inclusivity is the living embodiment of mainstream as even the US government pays more attention to “inclusivity” rather than real life problems like rising crime, unemployment, rent, etc.
The car racing missions in Cyberpunk were dumb when you realized the woman who was getting you to race was an actual 300 lb man. I didn’t need to know that kind of information playing the game, and it took me out of the immersion as I was reminded of today’s dystopian politics because of it. Judy’s missions were also boring as hell. Finding out that she was a lesbian didn’t really bother me. TBH it felt like a “cool story bro” moment that didn’t make the character seem relatable. Isn’t relatability what most consumers care about? Isn’t that what sells tickets for football games?
I swear, these DEI developers create inclusive content like they are foreigners needing Hollywood movies made in their own language. Unfortunately for them, most people interacting with their content have great love and respect for the opposite sex. Unfortunately for them, most people have a beauty standard hard wired into their dna. Straight white male content has been perfected since Hollywood got its origins from the Oregon Trail.
Someday, people will laugh at Cyberpunk’s portrayal of the future. It will age just as badly as those Jetson cartoons. Our modern time period will be looked back on as the Dark Ages due to corporate political activism. People will talk in disgust about this type of political activism as if it were out of style like those horn rimmed glasses and bell bottoms people wore in the 70’s.
Anyone remember when the hipster was thought of as a cool personality type? That’s sooo mid 2000’s. Nobody gives a shit about the hipster anymore. AI replaced the hipster because it’s a hive mind of all our thoughts, feelings, dreams, ideas, and predictions. Nowadays, I prefer the hipster over the activist. At least the hipster was trying to get you interested in new things compared to virtue signaling and ruining already existing franchises.
@@wolfrayet0042 woke is not a yes or no thing
it's a spectrum
cyberpunk 2077 IS woke, Arcane is woke, Undertale is woke
but these three have just a bit of wokeness and it's more or less tasteful + the product itself is good
you can have racially and sexually diverse characters, just don't make it their personality and focus on making them characters first, diverse second
also if the setting is medieval, then you need to justify having black or female characters in positions that don't make sense normal, and they have to be an exception, not the norm
I’ll at least wait and see if it’s good I’ll buy, if it flops I saved my money and time
why give money to a company that hates you?
@@SuperBennnnnnnnn relax buddy if this follows the trends that all these companies do this game will be bad I’m telling you so let’s just wait and see.
@SuperBennnnnnnnn Sony hates me, but Sucker Punch doesn't. So far SP has the best track record of any of Sony's studios.
Writing is on the walls guys. You do what you want.
@@aytony4090 Sucker Punch is a subsidiary of Sony, which means it is no different than giving Sony your money.
Its a different era of japan, Jins story wrapped up nicely. I get why people are afraid but lets trust Sucker Punch for now.
Highly agreed with the explanation. It's easy to state what we hate abt today's games, but not pointing out the actual festering wounds of a problem with the games industry these past few yrs like ever since the pandemic
It was issues before that. The problem was distracted problems got magnified and larger.
whats a female protagonist?
it's called type-2 nowadays.
About The Act Man's point: one thing he didn't mention is that the boy who cried racism/sexism WON.
I think that ppl gonna push this over the edge at some point. The woke trend makes so many people mad, destroys many things in the gamers community and the industry too. As now, anything that is marked as dei or woke would be jugded so hard even when the game itself is not bad.
@@QuangTran-zy6sgfans of media have just been burned so many times. This game could turn out to be amazing. Just with every group comes the vocal minority that’ll be hating this instantly because of the female character. What can you say when these companies show time and time again they can’t write a good female character like they used to. It can be done though. Also an activist as the voice actor doesn’t help.
@@AvaaSlays_Swiftie the voice actress is a great red flag more then the female protagonist. Especially when Sony has been known to encourage activists taking over sequels.
If the development team wants to prove people wrong they should either do a story trailer or early gameplay. Anything to try and prove the doubt wrong, but personally the voice actress has justified all the more reason to not get hype for this game.
We are already at that stage recently, any games that have a slightest sign of "woke" is getting boycott and backlash. But you know who created that? That's right the community/organisation that push the woke stuff. The pendulum is swigging back again and I'm afraid it's not just gonna only be the woke crowd who is gonna pay the price.
A counterpoint to your counterpoint that has been brought up but needs repeating: They won (and rightfully so), but now pattern recognition has overridden nuance and patience to such a degree that lots will scream woke before more information comes out just at looking at one teaser image or super short vertical slice of a preview (and we all know the truly woke ones tend to drone on to hammer a point rather than tease). That's what Act Man was talking about.
I'm just sad because I want to see the story continue with Jin.......I grew to live his story and struggles
When I heard that there was going to be a sequel to Jin's story but was later canceled, this tells me that the devil is in the details.
Excluding in the name of inclusion, making things the same in the name of diversity and rewriting history in the name of reflecting reality. Madness
Madness is exactly what it is. And it's spreading.
Unironically 1984.
Unironically 1939
Unironically Ghost of Tsushima. That shit never happened.
its the oyest of times, it's the veyest of times... but don't worry, soon enough it'll be one hundred and ten.
I completely agree, and I’m female.
My issue with games right now is that they are replacing previous male roles with female characters. It’s stupid.
Games like Perfect Dark or new IPs like South of Midnight…people were excited for those games. No one was upset.
But replacing Jin or making Mary Jane stupidly OP is just aggravating…and I didn’t even like ghost of Tsushima. The same goes for Race swapping popular characters.
The problem becomes that it’s now “woke” to make any game with a female or POC lead character, and gamers automatically think it’s bad.
It doesn’t do women or POC any favors to force this into existing stories. It doesn’t create tolerance, it creates backlash and anger.
The best way to do it is to write new stories and new IPs.
Perfect Dark and other games back then were a different time. Today, politics is applied to EVERYTHING. You can't make a damn ham sammich without someone wondering if the mustard is woke or not. It's stupid.
@@ganggang3788 just make a very masculine ham sandwich without women or lgbtq
wukong and space marine 2 are great ham sandwiches wich sell well
Well, you might have missed the South of Midnight backlash... :D Not because it has a female protagonist but because Sweet Baby inc collaborated on it. We'll see when it comes out but i would be shocked if the writing doesnt stink of progressive politics.
While a female protagonist doesnt make a game woke necessarily (Stellar Blade is not woke), it is a red flag because these days, when it comes to western games, a "diverse" protagonist or cast so often correlates with the game having annoying pandering and activism shoved in.
And i disagree about the new IPs. Thats not a solution, not anymore. Sure taking over old IPs is worse, but by now people are so fed up that they are immediately skeptical even with new IPs when they see something that seems like forced diversity, even if it isnt. Honestly devs that do have a genuinely good idea for a "diverse" protagonist are kinda screwed right now, it will immediately put them on the back foot.
@@namelessking9068SM2 isn't according to the woke spreadsheet.
@@ganggang3788 It doesn't work that way, it's more like: "You can't appreciate ham sandwich without someone trying to push their opinion if the mustard should be put or not."
Thank you for actually acknowledging people's concerns and not just arrogantly brushing them aside, and I appreciate that you're giving your personal thoughts as well.
This whole "we need 50% or more main protagonist as female" thing is making most gamers skeptical when you see this stuff even tho that might not be the case also Sony did recently and publicly doubled down on pandering and diversity as the main focus in their games
This will depend on how Sony, Sucker Punch and the Cast if they go to the Concord and Ubisoft route (hating the gamers) the goodwill of the last game will be forgotten. But if handled properly and the game is as good as the last game then people will buy it. But we can't blame the complaints of other people because all are tired of it.
Sometimes when I see these game journalists and what they're saying, I think, damn, maybe we should just stop game journalism all together.
Most of us think wonder what their tune is when getting their teeth kicked in and more and more that kind of thought becomes the stronger one till it happens and honestly I have zero sympathy should have been knocked out sooner. Journos don’t think they fabricate racism and it takes a real pile of crap to somehow make racism out of nothing but they sure do that well.
A.I. will do that
this is why ive held the belief for years now that all journalism is evil, its inherent.
It’s still a wonder to me that such a profession continue to exist in the age of internet and social media. All these independent TH-camrs does a way better job reporting and reviewing games than the so call professional journalists
I got to say that i do trust SuckerPunch with female characters, Look at Yuna, Masako and Tomoe for example, they are badass female characters and if they can also bring that to live with a character like Atsu it could be a really great game, i also would have loved a new story about Jin Sakai and maybe in the future we wil see that but for now whe just have to wait and when the trailers and game arrive whe can judge if we like it or not.
I honestly just want it to be good. Sucker Punch has a good track record with Sly Cooper, inFamous, and now Ghost of Tsushima. In a lot of ways, they should be the face of PlayStation since they've developed incredible games for Sony since the PS2.
Did you see photo of dev teams for Tsushima and Yutei?
This has been my root reasoning.
I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I’m not worrying at all, and will let the game speak for itself. 👍
@@treyfolkmen7942 If you're talking about that dev team picture that's currently floating around then must inform you that this picture was taken on International Womens Day in like 2018. As of right now the only information that we have about GoY's developers is that it has the same directors and producers as Ghost of Tsushima.
I think doing more with Days Gone would be a good thing. I actually liked that game.
The game wasn't woke enough so Sony refused to promote it. It then didn't hit it's sales targets and Sony refused to green light a sequel.
If they do now make a sequel it will undoubtedly have a girl boss protagonist and miss the point of the original.
They also won't bring back the people who made the first game. They've moved on.
Be careful what you wish for.
I would rather never see a sequel of DG than give Deacon St John the "sony treatment": getting replaced by a butch lesbian in the sequel.
The Last of Us, Joker, and now this. I'm almost convinced that money is not a problem for them.
Bro somehow forgot Spider-Man, in fact we have TWO, when it comes to male characters from Sony 😅 Also if you discount characters like Nathan Drake and Deacon St. John because their stories are either over or won’t be continued, then a female character like Selene from Returnal doesn’t count either because we know that Housemarque is moving to a new IP. I could also get extra pedantic and include male characters like Ratchet and both Clank and Astrobot are perceived as male. That isn’t even to mention second party games like Death Stranding that have a male lead or third party titles that are financially supported by PlayStation like FF7R and FF16.
I wonder if the people complaining about a male lead being taken “away” (Jin’s story was finished btw so try keeping the same energy) will have the same issue when the next “Ghost of” game has a male lead again? 🤔
If the game isn't for you, don't buy it. Put the wallet down. Take a deep breath in and slowly let it out. Relax. There are other new games that might be for you. Dig a little. Don't just buy what is pushed in your face. Stop buying garbage.
Then you will call men sexist when the game doesn’t do well.
Personally I was a little bit disappointed because Jin Sakai's Story wasnt over. You finish the game and have the feeling that Jin and other characters have loose ends, more adventures ahead. So, when the sequel not only changed the main character but also the time period, I was taken aback. Does that mean the game will be bad or woke? not really, but it makes you wonder why they made that decision.
Well the reason could be what all are claiming or the team wasnt comfortable with the idea to continue the story. At the end of GoT he was a hunted man and thats a difficult position to write something with a huge climax like it was in GoT with the liberation of the island. The only place he could have went is the main land and thats under the control of the shogun. Thats an enemy he could not defeat nor reason with. Not much tension besides staying hidden from the samurai. So maybe they thought that its better to start a new story, at another time, in another part of japan and make it a good story than to continue an existing story, so the fans can be happy, but without the conviction to be able to make it good.
@@Mejandora What you just describes sounds like the samurai equivalent of Red Dead Redemption 2 and it sounds awesome. Not all 'good stories' have to end in victory. Ghost of Tsushima may not have been the most historically accurate, but it was straight-faced and uncompromising in it's vision of representating a scenario that could've occurred in that period. Ghost of Yotei meanwhile just looks like another Sony comic book game. It's premise, whilst not impossible, is inherently hard to swallow and that stuff is going to deter people from playing, whether consciously or subconsciously.
@TP-pq9xx Never said it realistic. You read what you wanted to read.
@TP-pq9xx My comment was edited to correct a typo like 5 seconds after I posted it bro. lmao.
Male to female MC but never the other way. Just saying.
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Right because male roles in videogames were always pretty rare
@@ganggang3788They're getting increasingly rare. Video games are consumed by mostly dudes. Of course male protagonists were the norm. Despite what surveys try to convey by including mobile games and women who occasionally play the sims, this fact hasn't changed.
@@ganggang3788 They werent, but now they are. At least in western AAA games. When do you imagine we are going to see the reverse? When is Sony doing a Last of Us or Horizon sequel with a dude?
@@MrDezokokotar Only can think of 3 male protags this year.
I’m an aspiring game dev, hopefully joining the industry after I finish my degree. My dream is to eventually run a studio that makes quality games with no agenda other than genuine fun and immersive gameplay. I want people to be able to be excited for games again.
It’s like you said. When presented with failure after failure, eventually we develop a sense for the signs that lead to said failures. We were conditioned over time to see the telltale ingredients of DEI and, even though one or two aren’t inherently bad when done well, we still initially recoil and brace for the worst because of what has happened before, which is justified. But we shouldn’t judge until we have sufficient information. However, even though we don’t know about Yotei too much, the game has a different team of devs with a different creative vision while the original talents behind Tsushima left. And usually when the original creators leave something, that tends to be a bad sign.
Game will be like BFV compared to BF1. Crazy to think that it’s been almost a decade since BF1. I wish people would get tired of this demoralization and start a full scale witch hunt against the perpetrators.
I saw the pic on Twitter/X where it showed all men on the left who worked on GoT, vs all women on the right who developed GoY. The contrast is quite apparent between the 2. And some of the women had brightly dyed hair, so we know that those at the very least are left leaning.
All the devs that worked on GoT are gone. Sucker Punch has been taken over by women and they/thems just like Ubisoft. I have no hope nor high expectations for this game at all
Basically you guys have become zombies that are walking woke-dei detectors. But I am damn sure about one thing, this game will still be a hit, it's not gonna go the way concord/dustborn went, anti woke mfs aren't all that powerful they think they are
woke and anti woke mfs both seem like deranged people to us sane people in the middle tbh
@@davidcrawford5324 You know the picture with all the women was taken on International womens day in 2018 right? You also know that Ghost of Yotei has the same directors and producers as GoT and that other than that we have no information about the developers of the game right?
I am curious if that Ghost of Tsushima/Yotei dev team side by side photo thats been passed around is actually legitimate or simply propaganda.
It's legitimate. Most of the old devs from GoT are gone from Sucker Punch. If you do a little digging it's not hard to find out.
@@LaZd-then when you do a little more digging you found out the game director hasn’t changed and if you understand game development you’ll know that’s also pretty important but no one is talking about that at all
@@gnarlyboyjai These people act like they've suddenly become experts on the gaming industry
I read it was a picture they took for woman's day.
From what I found that photo was from 2018 so not legitimate
Ghost of Tsushima did just about everything great, including writing strong female characters. There is no evidence that Ghost of Yotei is pandering to DEI. As long as her badassery is commensurate to Jin's, it'll be great.
No it won't because it's a female lead and Jin was male. Most of the player base is male. Most males would rather play as a male. So either game devs don't know this, in which case they're out of touch with players or they do and made the decision out of spite. Either way, this game won't be doing the same numbers.
@@grottphd9090 the horizon series has sold over 30 million copies and it’s a female led game………
@@chippewaguy4193 Most games don't have the luxury of being bundled with the PS5
@@grottphd9090 zero dawn was a ps4 game and sold over 20 million.
@@chippewaguy4193 It sold like 13% of the physical copies of even primal. It's the first Far Cry game since 2 to have "mixed" reviews on steam. Pointing to New Dawn as a success is crazy
If you think of core gaming as a pyramid, men are the foundation and the largest percentage of that triangle. We are the largest demographic in Western and Eastern gaming. When game companies make games that don’t represent or appeal to us, the literal foundation of their power and growth the past 20 years, they’ll find their money vanishes in an instant.
As long as the games solid. You can play it with Japanese voicing. Which is how you should play it anyway i reckon
Holy shit I forgot about that. I play the game Japanese so what the fuck am I tripping for.
Japanese voicing doesnt matter if the Subtitles are unfaithfully translated, an issue in Japan among anime studios
@@irishijo1 I don't remember really having a problem with it in ghost of Tsushima. For the most part I always understood what was going on, and was able to keep up with the storyline. And this is someone who doesn't speak or understand Japanese
@Lordran_Penance you need to understand that this is not the same Sucker Punch that made GoT.
@@irishijo1I hope the subtitles bring up the fight against THE PATRIARCHY
There is no situation, when the time comes buy it or don't.
It's a big damn situation. Face facts.
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there is no war in ba sing se.
I believe in Sucker Punch to deliver another banger. I couldn't care less if the MC is male or female or who the voiceactor is. As long as they deliver a game with a story, worldbuilding and gameplay on the level of GoT i'll have nothing to complain about.
Yeah, who cares. Rage about this, rage about that. How much energy and free time do gamers have to even make this an issue?
100%. as far as I’m concerned, the rest is Noise, and I’m all for it as long as the game is good. But we have to wait for it come out first to be able to really judge 🤷🏻♂️
Believe with your wallet! Sony is counting on your blind faith!
As it should be. How soft would someone have to be for that to be a deal breaker.
This whole comment section and this channel reeks of right wing BS. Woke this woke that, DEI this and that. Like who cares. If the game is good the game is good. What's crazy is that they said AC Shadows, Star Wars Outlaws, Wukong, Dragon Age Veilguard, this new Ghost game, are all woke like wtf? When people start labeling videogames as woke because they don't like the game, you know you just stepped into Joe Rogan's talkshow.
What’s Act Man’s point? This backlash has been building for years. It’s not always going to be measured, and some people will take it too far into parody, as some always do. Those individuals only represent themselves. Highlighting that a few people called air conditioning racist doesn’t reflect the majority, and that level of absurdity hasn’t really changed anything. Calling someone racist today has about the same impact it did four years ago.
Act Man’s observation was pretty pointless. He’s judging people who share an opinion just because some take it too far, as if that invalidates everyone else. Apparently, BlackRock isn’t offering considerable financial incentives to studios for embracing forced diversity, DEI, and non-binary representation in entertainment-despite their own statements on the matter. It was all just our imagination.
I would have told him that the issue is not the word "woke", it's that no one is calling it for what it truly is "cultural marxism". Which is very real and is destroying the USA, never mind the planet.
He's arguing in bad faith. He is a coward and sold out long ago. Now he's just broken.
And as if being skeptical is some insane state to be in. As if talking bad about a future video game is some grave crime.
@@marchmelloow if your skepticism is already triggered just by seeing a female character first, of course your standing end up becoming laughable.
You not see the picture of the developers at Sucker Punch for Tsushima vs for Yotei??
Yeah, I admit, I can't KNOW for sure. But if I was a bettin' man........ And let's be real, ActMan ain't the most courageous TH-camr out there. When TH-cam nuked his channel it put the fear of GOD in him. And he's toed the line ever since. I can't go to ActMan for an honest opinion. He'll always play it safe.
But I admit that the MC for Ghost being a woman is not ENOUGH to KNOW that it's woke. But do you want to bet me that it's NOT Woke?
Yeah, I didn't think you would.
I’ll take that bet! Hmu when its out lol. Seriously have no way of knowing if its “woke” at this point
Where’s the picture? Would be interesting to see it lol, the one for Ubisoft was funny. Also, the voice actor playing the female protagonist is herself an extreme woke individual that needs everything to be politically correct, so
I’d be surprised if she just happily accepted and went into the role knowing they wouldn’t be pushing any agendas or messages down people’s throats. These kinds of entitled individuals usually need something to throw at you.
@@zimmy91 Well, one main sign that a lot of people didn’t touch up on and therefore many other folks weren’t aware of is the fact that the voice actor playing the female protagonist is herself an extreme woke individual that needs everything to be politically correct, so
I’d be surprised if she just happily accepted and went into the role knowing they wouldn’t be pushing any agendas or messages down people’s throats. These kinds of entitled individuals usually need something to throw at you. There was one video that covered this and to fact check it, I myself googled her up and the first things I saw were a few links or videos trying to ‘expose’ her and that was it lol.
Yep
@@zimmy91 Aight.
im kinda in the wait and see spot, i think suckerpunch gets that much from tsushima, but im certainly concerned and i think its a big red flag these days with any sort of girl boss
Love the nuance in your take on this. Making a sequel with a female lead isn't inherently bad, but gamers being wary after seeing a pattern does make some sense.
It's insanely tiring to keep having devs and media gaslight gamers as if we aren't smart enough to see how so many of these decisions are just straight pandering. The Dragon Age drama is a perfect example, there was no need to have a certain type of scars exist outside of the rest of the scars and that submenu. Putting as a separate top menu toggle was done deliberately to put it every ones face and to pander inclusivity. There would have been some backlash regardless, but it escalated so much more due to it's implementation.
These companies need to decide if representation actually matters. If no, then they need to cut the bullcrap. If yes, then these companies need to stop being surprised and butthurt when characters that are not representative of the actual audience get rejected.
ActMaam is being disingenuous
The moment he says "grifter" even the more naive should tune out.
@Garrus-w2hjust like you idiots spewing woke at everything lmaoo. It's like you guys have no capability for self reflection. Makes sense since you think that stupidly lmaooo
the aaa industry has gone full blown w0ke, which is why i'm thankful for indie devs. indie games are rapidly catching and surpassing aaa games in most ways, and they're cheaper.
It is funny to see that the two-polar business/political model described by Christina Sommers in her book "Who Stole Feminism?: How Women Have Betrayed Women" still work so well after 30 years.
In addition to people like Dr. Sommers, now TH-camrs and streamers like Legendary Drops and Asmongold take the role to fight this beast with extremely long life bar and 2nd-3rd stages...
I feel like the ending of GoT left players thinking they would get a direct sequel to that game. Now that GoT 2 is going in a different direction, I think it left a lot of players feeling like they got the short end of the stick. This combined with a female lead and the amount of DEI in gaming now has got everyone’s guard up
How? Jin’s story is finished.
An Asian being the main character in a game about Asian lore and culture is fine by me.
so you'd be chill if the protagonist for Ghost of Yotei was an Indian? or a Korean? or a chinaman? Asia is a large continent my friend, be specific
@@closelaugh185being disingenuous for no reason .. ur a weirdo lil bro
@@closelaugh185Chinese but not Chinaman, thank you kindly. That word has a nasty undertone from colonial past.
@@Met377 And?
@@closelaugh185 you are saying you dont understand what im saying? ooft poor you.
Study the current roster of Sucker Punch. Compare it to the original team that made Ghost of Tsushima. Will alarm you greatly to this "modern game for modern audience".
Excellent, level-headed analysis of the situation and noise surrounding this game. Personally, I like the anthology approach to what will now be the Ghost series of games. I’ll wait to see what reviewers like ACG have to say about it before buying, but if the character is well conceived, the story is compelling, and the gameplay is just as good as GoT, I’ll check it out.
It's not only because they changed the beloved protagonist after just one game. My issue is Jin´s story was not even finished. The ending, without spoiling to much, is very open and already has builded a foundation for an interesting continuation of his story. So changing him now makes very little sense to me and yeah the fact they hired this strange woman makes this decision even more questionable. But i will give Atsu and her Actress Erika a fair chance. Hopefully they don't disappoint....
I get so pissed when anyone says Jin's story is over. No spoilers, but they literally CLEARLY set up a larger invasion, Jin's migration to Japan mainlands and the Shogun after him.
This literally was what I was anticipating, even possible naval combat with a “Ghost Ship” that could invade their ships before making it to mainland…I really got my hopes up way too high 😢
I wonder if they're planning a trilogy? Where the 3rd game will tie up loose ends from 1 and 2
@@azure4622 the thing is though that Ghost of Yotei takes place 400 years after Ghost of Tsushima, so it’ll have to be sequel of one or the other. After the announced delayment of Ghost of Yotei Sony is pretty nervous now that people are finding out the main VA is a big activist that we all love to see in our games
@@tateparker8112 o then i have no clue why they would make a new protag without finishing the first's story
@@azure4622 it truly is a great mystery, I heard from other sources that they want to do an “anthology” series where each installment is a new protag…but I think that is the wrong call to make personally. Especially when Jin still has a lot more room to grow and expand with the second invasion of Japan, and people really liked his character by the end of the first game with the dlc expanding upon his relationship with his dad. Definitely could’ve/should’ve kept going with his development.
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GOT is amazing. Many people don't even realize sucker punch became the first American studio to win the Famitsu award for goty. Pretty sure the second one is going to be just as amazing.
With the same stolen AC2 code which made it's way into Shadow of Mordor, somebody made some good money pimping that stolen code out.
Is it done by the same dev team though? Or did the old talent leave? This happens a lot.
Not done by the same team. Nice cope though.
@LaZd- cope for what I like ghost of tsushima lol. Rumor for years somebody sold that code to several places. Nice cope though. Ur game is just AC2, and I agree. Some things are code identical, stolen game.
TLOU2, spiderman 2, gow ragnarok. All of them have the same issue. Its the same with yotei.
whats the issue?
@@Unjerry_s it's a sequel filled with woke bs
@@fiddler9804 what was woke about TLOU2 or ragnarok? I didn't play Spiderman 2 so I would have no idea. I suppose I could guess that you think a gay relationship in a game is woke?
@@Unjerry_s Let's see... The entire plot of tlou2? Everyone is gae, diversity check left and right, Girlbosses, pregnant women in the frontline of a war, a "woman" that has the the physique of a bodybuilder. Joel got thrown away like nothing because he was 200x more popular than Ellie could ever be.
Ragnarok is just pathetic. Colored people in norse mythology? Kratos is all soft and a weakling, his wife wore the pants in the relationship, "God of Hope" and worse of all, SBI involved.
@@fiddler9804 okay, shit dude, seems like you might be one of the gamers that the companies made sensative to that kind of content... Sucks becuase these games are amazing if thst stuff doesn't bother you.
Diversity/inclusion is not at all inherently a good thing, its completely contextual.
For example, racial or gender diversity in a medieval japanese setting that focuses on samurai warfare is bad. Most of the people should be japanese (or in the case of Tsushima, japanese and mongol), and most of the characters (if theyre mostly soldiers) should be men. Diversity would make it worse.
On the other hand, in a setting taking place in modern San Francisco, diversity is good and necessary, otherwise it would look silly and not believable.
why does a video game, an inherently fictional medium, need to be believable? the protagonist can mow down thousands of people or survive otherwise lethal falls, but a women out of time is where you draw the line?
@@taco1957 Im not sure what you mean by that. Can you explain what you mean by a video game being an "inherently fictional medium"?
A medium (video game, movie, book, oil painting) is neither fictional nor non-fictional, these terms dont apply to the concept.
@@MrDezokokotar @MrDezokokotar you're being intentionally naive.
obviously you recognize that video games (a medium) are by majority - works of fiction. a video game can try to be as non-fictional as it wants, but liberties must be made in almost all cases to make the actual act of playing it fun. there's nothing "historically accurate" about Jhin being able to change outfits on the fly, for example.
My question to you, is: why you draw a line between things like this only when it involves diversity?
@@taco1957 Ok then, let me explain.
It's not about diversity per se. It's about believable human behaviour.
There are degrees to realism, and different weight should be put on different elements. Even if some concepts simply can't be translated from real life (like the way you physically fight), that doesn't mean some aspects that can be, shouldn't be.
Things like changing outfits on the fly aren't very immersion breaking because they be explained as a "movie cut". I assume his new outfit didn't magically appear on his body but that he changed, i just didn't see it.
I don't see him eating or going to the toilet either but i assume he does that when im "not looking".
This has some immersion breaking effect, they could choose to show it, but it's very minimal. It's a good tradeoff of believablity for convenience.
But IF his outfits did in fact magically appear out of thin air, by actual magic - that WOULD be ridiculous and i would question the logic of that in a otherwise fairly realistic game.
Similarly, being able to heal wounds quickly is simply for the benefit of the gameplay, to make it more fun and/or easy to play, nothing more. (you can always add higher difficulties in a game)
But we don't actually assume he is a nigh immortal superhuman - its just luck, skill, or "movie(game) magic".
However, the most important aspect to keep as believable as possible, in any medium, is human behaviour. Also the way humans look, sound, etc., but especially how they behave. We are very familiar with humans, and they act as a grounding element so that we can suspend our disbelief of the more fantastical elements. When they are believable, it makes us better able to imagine what it would be like if this fantastic world was real - or imagine ourselves in it.
Making humans act oddly and unrealistically doesn't bring any benefit to the gameplay, and we can't write it off as "movie magic" - it simply feels wrong.
It's a BAD tradeoff to sacrifice realistic human behaviour for some other aspect - like story convenience, or ideology.
If humans don't act believably, people usually call that bad writing. And that's what i don't want in games. Even in more fantasy games like Baldur's Gate 3, humans should behave like humans. And they don't. In that game, half of any army for example are women, and human women don't behave like that. So i end up wondering why? Do these humans have different brains to real humans? Different bodies? Women don't bear children in this world?
Everything else about them seems to be the same - they look normal, sound normal. But they act oddly, like some human-like but alien race.
Star Trek (the old, good ones) is very sci-fi, but humans still act like we would expect humans to act. In a setting where there are aliens that act weirdly, the humans are the ground and the point of comparison. So in some sense, you could argue that in fantasy or sci-fi with other intelligent species, it may be be even more important for humans to act believably.
But certainly a game like Ghost of Tsushima, with fairly realistic world-building and setting, humans should behave believably. To me and i think most people, that's important, otherwise the world feels fake. Like the author is trying to shield me from the harsh reality of... well, reality. Like a cartoon that's made for a child. That or it's simply ideological. It's most likely a bit of both.
To be clear, in Ghost of Tsushima it's still somewhat reasonable, there are much bigger offenders. It's just a bit of a stain on a otherwise good game. And i suspect the next game will have it much worse, but we can only wait and see.
You articulate everything so well, I love hearing you talk. 😊
Just don't pre-order and you'll be fine.
But what if they run out of digital copies?
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@@Chicken_cocknballsoup7376you can't 😂
Pattern recognition is why these developers no longer get the benefit of the doubt. Secondly, I really dont have much of a dog in this fight, but I did read some of the quotes from the mocap/voice actor for the new ghosts game, and I don't like the thought of her getting any of my money. I'm not going to support people who hate me because I have white skin and am a guy.
Really not trying to be an asshole cuz I frankly don’t agree with her statements on shit. I believe everyone should do better at understanding one another and any radical point of views whether from the left or right will always prevent that. However, she already got paid. More likely paid with profits from the previous release. The work done on this game from the VA side is already paid for and apart of the initial budget. The profits of this game would more likely go towards the budget of the next in the anthology.
Still trying to figure out how the title of this video relates to its content. You basically said that you don't really subscribe to this outrage over the game but you can understand it. How is this 'a step too far'?
He's doing it for the grift, lots of dumb brainlets are angry, they click and like anything that will remotely validate their opinions. At the end of the day he's a slave to his content and will bend his loser ass knees to the biggest common denominator. Like so many other youtuber, he brings no value to the platform, the industry and life as a whole.
11:49 Act Man is just wrong on this one.
these incidents are actually INCREASING instead of people just overreacting, and Sony's catalogue is a big proof of that.
Before Yotei was revealed, i have never seen anyone say than Jin was anyway special or memorable character
As a Hispanic man, I can’t stand western (mostly American) inclusivity arguments and solutions in the name of “helping minorities be better represented”. I didn’t ask for these people’s help and neither did most other cultures and minorities. Personally, I’ve always had a personal sentiment that there isn’t enough Hispanic representation outside of stereotypes in Hollywood and entertainment in general, given the size of the Hispanic population here in America. However, not only would I NOT like having an established, let’s say white (for sake of argument) character be replaced or “reimagined” by a Hispanic person, I would be outright pissed. What… Is my culture not good enough to have its own fresh and unfiltered take? I would hate to be represented as a replacement to an established character. True inclusivity would be creating an all new character in whatever industry that represents my culture, and I think most gamers are more than okay with that. I wish these justice “warriors” would get out of their own way to try and make it right for minorities. I don’t care who or what the character is as long is they’re intriguing and original. I don’t want to be represented by replacing a loved and established character-that’s cheap and honestly, insulting.
This is exactly what I think about the matter. Never had any problem with female roles or ones from other countries that are not western but the way they are replaced (like you said) nowadays is unbearable. This is the reason why I will never get into some black roles in recent LOTR adaptations. That is a fake facade. Why, are there not incredible stories and myths in Black Africa? Sure there are and plenty, too. But, of course, they don't sell. Let's make foolish and cheap representations, instead.
For the record, I am playing a rare gem, masterfully done, called "Planet of Lana" with a female protagonist that feels like an authentic female protagonist with her weaknesses and strengths like any other human being in this little planet.
Hit the nail on the head.
@@ArturoBandini-F exactly! Take the Resident Evil film series with Milla Jovovich. Who by the way was a total badass. I don’t recall anyone ever complaining that a woman was the lead actor. If anything, she was beloved by the RE fans, yet where were all these justice warriors supporting her? It’s all so fake and disingenuous. And when minorities are used as replacements, it’s so disrespectful to not only the writers and actors or characters, but also the “replacements”. It’s just a lose lose situation being sold as a righteous cause.
As I'll follow up with my own take: Anytime you see a race-swapped character, that's just Hollywood or for Gods sakes, any other Entertainment Company sweeping dust under the rug pretending to ignore the huge line of Black or Hispanic yearning to be in Director Roles, because they wanna save on money.
tbh bro, i'd rather have little but good representation than a lot of shitty one.
and just saying, but when you can point at a movie like Desperado as your representation, you can pull the ladder, nobody will ever top it ;)
Banderas is an absolute bad ass, Salma Hayek ... well is Salma Hayek, the action is the best you'll see next to John Woo in his prime, dialogs from Tarantino, ...
if that's the representation we were given, i would throw my money at them and shove it in their pockets myself,
but tbh even as a white guy i feel freakin' bad about how the woke are portraying "minorities" in their movies, black guys nowadays especially.
If you need the protagonist of a game to look like you to enjoy it. The problem's not with the game. It's with you.
Jin Sakai’s story arc is essentially over. However i do see a hole where they could continue his story. I wrote my idea below.
“Jin Sakai, after defeating the mongol invasion is now on the run from the shogunate. He heads to the mainland of Japan, leaving his home of trushima behind. There he learns of the corruption that has spread through the ruling body of Japan like a disease. As he cuts those of corruption down from the shadows, he learns that just removing the bad seeds would not mend the wounds of society. Soon things spiral out of control and he is forced to engage in a bloody war from the shadows. However those he must strike down hide behind a wall of innocents. With no other choices he fights through numerous bodies to remove those responsible. Now with many innocent lives having been taken by his sword he is questioning his actions. The seeds of corruption are gone but he is hollowed out inside. The weight of the choices hang heavy on his mind and he eventually gives up the sword. Swearing to never harm another innocent soul. After he recovers his mind he looks out at the society that has been left scared by his actions and decides to help once more. Not by way of the sword but by the way of the voice. Becoming a ruler, with the wisdom of his own mistakes guiding him into a better future for all of Japan.”