6:05 The "hybrid battery power" refers to the future ALC-42Es since you're reading information for the Venture sets rather than the current ALC-42s. The ALC-42Es will be a line of Chargers that will power Amtrak's future Venture sets, branded as "Airo." The Airo sets include an ALC-42E, an APV Venture car (includes a pantograph for electrified track, an additional powered truck to supplement the ALC-42E, and seating for more passengers), a number of Venture cars that follow, and a Venture cab car on the end. The goal with these trainsets is to allow intercity trains that run through the Northeast Corridor somewhere along the way to switch between diesel and electric power without having to switch the locomotive in Washington DC or New Haven. They'll also run on neighboring lines, like the Downeaster despite the lack of electrified track. More information is found on Amtrak's website and a number of articles, but that's about the gist of it.
@@amtrak_121 It's time for something new and Amtrak finally has the chance to get new features and a new look. The Amfleets were great and will remain a big piece of Amtrak history, but it's time to move on.
Just wanted to say thank you. Because of your videos I got back into rail fanning and started uploading my catches to TH-cam. It’s been such a blast. Thanks so much!
the p42 feels so much cooler though. when you're inside its like the windows are narrow and wide, its always just a little dark in there. and at notch 8 the engine will rumble your lungs. its an amazing machine.
I live near the California factory, I see chargers every day (Mostly the SC44 but the ALC42 on the Starlight and Zephyr) I still see the P42s but I am now seeing more chargers then p42s. Even so close to the factory the p42 is still going strong on our long range routes.
Ayyyy! I live near Gainesville too! I went to see an ALC-42 last week, as an Amtrak nut it felt good to see an ALC in person. This video was great, but maybe lay off on the meme SFX just a teensy bit. Overall, great video!
Although they don’t have the nice diesel thrash I do love the AC traction motor acceleration noise. Reminds me of the ACS-64s I see up in the northeast.
The hybrid stuff is an interesting tale, really. Amtrak is bulk-ordering new trainsets from Siemens for their intercity routes, and the ALC-42s and variants of them will be the engines that will run them. Most of them naturally are diesel only, but a few stand out. For the Northeast, they'll be getting dual-mode trainsets for the Northeast Regional services, along with routes like the Palmetto, Pennsylvanian, Carolinian and such, where the set has a pantograph and extra powered axles on the first passenger car to power the trains when they're on the electrified lines, and run on diesel power when it goes beyond the wires, so that those time consuming engine swaps at DC, New Haven and Philly will be unnecessary. (yes, they swap to Diesels on the Pennsylvanian in Philly and not Harrisburg where the wires end because Harrisburg doesn't have a diesel maintenance yard) The reason for the weird idea of putting the panto on the passenger cars instead of the engine is largely to save space so that the diesel engine can be as powerful as a standard ALC-42 that you saw here, while still being comparable to the current ACS-64 electric locomotives at use on the NEC. Strange idea, but the logic is understandable. The Hybrid Battery thing is the weirdest and most controversial idea of them all though. These are only for routes that run through upstate New York, running up the West Side connection in Manhattan to join the Ex-New York Central Hudson line... which I should note is electrified with third-rail as far as Croton-Harmon. The battery mode is there pretty much solely to get the train out of Manhattan where legally you cannot operate diesel locomotives, as well as provide some extra power accelerating by using energy collected from braking, and like the electrical equipment on the previous sets for the regionals, the battery packs will take up space in the front passenger car. You may be asking, couldn't they just run these trains with Chargers with third-rail shoes like they do with the P32AC-DMs? Yes. They can. But they won't... even though Metro-North has ordered a bunch of them. I dunno, maybe that can work well, but seems kind of short-sighted to me.
It would have made more sense in my opinion, and as an engineer myself to have an ALP45DP style dual mode (could have been possible as Siemens wanted to buy Bombardier). It’s equally an electric and a diesel all in one body and they do their jobs fairly well for being some of the most advanced locos on the planet. Tractive effort is also comparable to an ACS. I’m curious as to why Siemens didn’t design something like that.
@677dm5 I'm definitely a fan of the ALP45s, and it's definitely the tried and tested way of running dual modes. The problem is that the ALP-45s and all current dual modes are comparably underpowered in terms of the diesel engines. Obviously, every dual mode is going to be more powerful under electric power than diesel, but on current dual modes, the difference is staggering. The ALP-45s are capable of nearly 6,000 horsepower on electric power, but only about 3600 horsepower under diesel at best, with it being around 2700 in service when power is diverted to run the HEP systems. This idea seems to be to keep the acceleration that the Chargers can get now on diesel mode but also able to have performance comparable to the ACS-64s on electric mode, and it seems to me like they can't do that with the space constraints they have to work with.
I would be so happy if Amtrak was properly funded and had its own tracks, at least in high-traffic areas, that it didn't have to share with freight trains.
Oh, you should come on the Hartford line the 42s are still running I I don’t see any ALC-42 anytime soon probably by late 2024 and early early and early 2025
The hybird alc-42 will be used on the empire corridor, boston-buffalo tracks too. those are confirmed. But the hybirds can run of off battery, catenary, and third rail :) correct me if im wrong lol
I need to see the Chief a few more times before the chorgers take over it. Hybrid battery power essentially means it can run off both diesel fuel and batteries. For more technical specs look at EMDX 1605
Amtrak has found a second major fault with the Charger. This time, it's the motor and the way the engine shuts down when not in use At shutdown, the diesel continues to spray into the cylinder, washing away the lubrication. At startup, the cylinder tends to scuff the cylinder wall. Under heavy load, the cylinder fails catastrophically, and the engine needs a tow back for heavy repair. This, as the first problem of over cooling of water lines creating icing of the engine appears to be somewhat fixed. This could be a show stopper if Siemens cant get a repair out soon.
Long Live the P40s…..hopefully Amtrak will keep the heritage p40s on so we won’t have to see chargers painted into the heritage livery, although the day one scheme they made does look rather good imo
@@MrMarshmallow26 dang, what a shame. Although it’s weird that chargers haven’t been put on larger trains like the auto train yet. P40s still power it.
@@Track_Side They were gonna test a Charger duo on the Auto Train (346 & 347), but CSX never got to approving the tests and a line of complications (train accidents, etc.) kept delaying the Auto Train and pushing the tests back. So Amtrak sent 346 and 347 somewhere else after sitting in Lorton for two months.
That my friend, is a Siemens charger. The newest bus to Amtrak. I think those things are disgusting but I just have to accept that chargers are the new future. They are also wearing the brand new paint scheme. Phase 6 (I think)
I dare you to go to Florida and the NEC and the last thing is I dare you to film 100 Amtrak in one hour so that means a lot of driving and a lot of gas and if you run out of gas you have to restart the challenge
@@LocoPro *inhales* Bear with me: We had a winter storm come through this past January, and it effectively wiped out 3/4 of the midwest SC44 fleet. Even with P42’s and unbelievably the Dash 8’s subbing in, they were consistently canceling trains on the midwest routes for 3 weeks. They actually canceled all Michigan trains (Wolverine, Blue Water, Pere Marquette, etc) for 5 days in row because they didn’t have the power available. Since the Wolverine and Blue Water run on a line that uses ITCS (an older form of PTC), they hit higher speeds (110mph) but only certain engines that have the system (P42’s 50-69, Dash 8’s 518 and 519 and all of the NPCU’s have it). To make matters worse, the Dash 8’s are only rated for 90mph, the NPCU’s are unsafe above 90, and a lot of the 50-69 pool P42’s are in Beech Grove with wreck damage, they did NOT have the power. Corporate was choosing to get the long distance trains out with the power they had. NOT the corridor stuff (which the Michigan trains are alongside the Illinois stuff). It created a giant domino effect that completely screwed up the Midwestern commuter routes for nearly a month while the Charger fleet slowly but surely came back. Poor radiator design tends to be the issue during the winter, with snow getting into and the engine block and effectively killing it. Another flaw is that if you lose your head end power generator, for some stupid f&$@*!$ reason, the locomotive no longer works and becomes completely useless! I really hope someone, whether it’s the D.O.T or Amtrak themselves, goes to Siemens and have them completely rework the engines and their design. They’re junk anyway, but it’s only made 100x worse during the winter. (Feel free to pin).
Meh, im not really a fan of the chargers. It will take me a while to get used to them. But that doesnt mean i didnt enjoy this video. Keep up the awesome work!
I dare you to go to Florida and the NEC and the last thing is I dare you to film 100 Amtrak in one hour so that means a lot of driving and a lot of gas and if you run out of gas you have to restart the challenge
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6:05 The "hybrid battery power" refers to the future ALC-42Es since you're reading information for the Venture sets rather than the current ALC-42s. The ALC-42Es will be a line of Chargers that will power Amtrak's future Venture sets, branded as "Airo." The Airo sets include an ALC-42E, an APV Venture car (includes a pantograph for electrified track, an additional powered truck to supplement the ALC-42E, and seating for more passengers), a number of Venture cars that follow, and a Venture cab car on the end. The goal with these trainsets is to allow intercity trains that run through the Northeast Corridor somewhere along the way to switch between diesel and electric power without having to switch the locomotive in Washington DC or New Haven. They'll also run on neighboring lines, like the Downeaster despite the lack of electrified track. More information is found on Amtrak's website and a number of articles, but that's about the gist of it.
The ALC-42E is the biggest mistake Amtrak could've made with rolling stock!
@@amtrak_121 It's time for something new and Amtrak finally has the chance to get new features and a new look. The Amfleets were great and will remain a big piece of Amtrak history, but it's time to move on.
Just wanted to say thank you. Because of your videos I got back into rail fanning and started uploading my catches to TH-cam. It’s been such a blast. Thanks so much!
As a mainline commuter fan.. this is gonna be FIRE 🔥
the p42 feels so much cooler though. when you're inside its like the windows are narrow and wide, its always just a little dark in there. and at notch 8 the engine will rumble your lungs. its an amazing machine.
I live near the California factory, I see chargers every day (Mostly the SC44 but the ALC42 on the Starlight and Zephyr) I still see the P42s but I am now seeing more chargers then p42s. Even so close to the factory the p42 is still going strong on our long range routes.
Amtrak has found a second major fault with the Charger, engine cylinder wall scuffing.
4:36 I really like how Amtrak design this cartoony Charger right here
I’ll wait for 7 hours hell yeah to see another goat of GA railfanning
I love getting horn shows from chargers. The horns sound SO NICE!!!!
P42 quill better. 🗣️🗣️
@@LocoPro Yessir!
Sad to see the GEs go? I was sad to see SDP40Fs disappear!
I’m going to miss the P42DC’s😢.
they're handsome locos. a new era for our National Passenger Rail Corporation
Dam, what did Amtrak do!? Who hurt you? 😭😂😂
Awesome video though! Not sure how I feel about the new Chargers yet.
No way he’s doing a video about Amtrak that’s insane
*Amtrak
@@Bayarearailphotos 🤓☝️
@@bn_gp38 just helping you with correct spelling!
@@bn_gp38Railfan and can’t even spell Amtrak it’s even autocorrect 🤡🫵🏾
He must not do enough Amtrak videos to the point you don’t even know how to spell Amtrak.
Ayyyy! I live near Gainesville too! I went to see an ALC-42 last week, as an Amtrak nut it felt good to see an ALC in person. This video was great, but maybe lay off on the meme SFX just a teensy bit.
Overall, great video!
Appreciate the suggestion, man. Glad you enjoyed. Take care. :)
Although they don’t have the nice diesel thrash I do love the AC traction motor acceleration noise. Reminds me of the ACS-64s I see up in the northeast.
Talks about the new ALC-42's,
A random clip with a BCOL C44-9WL appears in GA.
That’s right, I stole from you goofy Canadians. Cope. 🫵🏿🤓
@@LocoPro it ain’t in BC RAIL colours and it’s not leading so idc 😎
The hybrid stuff is an interesting tale, really. Amtrak is bulk-ordering new trainsets from Siemens for their intercity routes, and the ALC-42s and variants of them will be the engines that will run them. Most of them naturally are diesel only, but a few stand out.
For the Northeast, they'll be getting dual-mode trainsets for the Northeast Regional services, along with routes like the Palmetto, Pennsylvanian, Carolinian and such, where the set has a pantograph and extra powered axles on the first passenger car to power the trains when they're on the electrified lines, and run on diesel power when it goes beyond the wires, so that those time consuming engine swaps at DC, New Haven and Philly will be unnecessary. (yes, they swap to Diesels on the Pennsylvanian in Philly and not Harrisburg where the wires end because Harrisburg doesn't have a diesel maintenance yard) The reason for the weird idea of putting the panto on the passenger cars instead of the engine is largely to save space so that the diesel engine can be as powerful as a standard ALC-42 that you saw here, while still being comparable to the current ACS-64 electric locomotives at use on the NEC. Strange idea, but the logic is understandable.
The Hybrid Battery thing is the weirdest and most controversial idea of them all though. These are only for routes that run through upstate New York, running up the West Side connection in Manhattan to join the Ex-New York Central Hudson line... which I should note is electrified with third-rail as far as Croton-Harmon. The battery mode is there pretty much solely to get the train out of Manhattan where legally you cannot operate diesel locomotives, as well as provide some extra power accelerating by using energy collected from braking, and like the electrical equipment on the previous sets for the regionals, the battery packs will take up space in the front passenger car. You may be asking, couldn't they just run these trains with Chargers with third-rail shoes like they do with the P32AC-DMs? Yes. They can. But they won't... even though Metro-North has ordered a bunch of them. I dunno, maybe that can work well, but seems kind of short-sighted to me.
Now this is far more information than I could have ever envisioned. Thanks! :)
My guess is that the battery car was for trainset interchangeability with neighboring lines without third-rail. I see no other reason apart from that.
It would have made more sense in my opinion, and as an engineer myself to have an ALP45DP style dual mode (could have been possible as Siemens wanted to buy Bombardier). It’s equally an electric and a diesel all in one body and they do their jobs fairly well for being some of the most advanced locos on the planet. Tractive effort is also comparable to an ACS. I’m curious as to why Siemens didn’t design something like that.
@677dm5 I'm definitely a fan of the ALP45s, and it's definitely the tried and tested way of running dual modes. The problem is that the ALP-45s and all current dual modes are comparably underpowered in terms of the diesel engines. Obviously, every dual mode is going to be more powerful under electric power than diesel, but on current dual modes, the difference is staggering. The ALP-45s are capable of nearly 6,000 horsepower on electric power, but only about 3600 horsepower under diesel at best, with it being around 2700 in service when power is diverted to run the HEP systems. This idea seems to be to keep the acceleration that the Chargers can get now on diesel mode but also able to have performance comparable to the ACS-64s on electric mode, and it seems to me like they can't do that with the space constraints they have to work with.
Alright! Im ready to see another great video!
Loco, the 2000’s built Genesis locomotives are being repainted into Phase 7, as a sign that they will continue to run on the rails until the 2030’s.
I would be so happy if Amtrak was properly funded and had its own tracks, at least in high-traffic areas, that it didn't have to share with freight trains.
I've been riding the Crescent for a long time now, and look forward to taking it again with the new Charger locomotives in the lead.
There are 2 variations on f the P32, the ACDM as you mentioned and then the regular freight looking version l.
Nice Amtrak train.
Oh, you should come on the Hartford line the 42s are still running I I don’t see any ALC-42 anytime soon probably by late 2024 and early early and early 2025
Yo I’m gonna miss the P42DCs… 😢 Majority of them are actually 32-23 years bro!
The Amtrak tweets you showed caught me off guard, WHAT ARE THOSE
I wish I knew, bruh. Those are legit from their page. Someone needs to fire the entire marketing department.
The hybird alc-42 will be used on the empire corridor, boston-buffalo tracks too. those are confirmed. But the hybirds can run of off battery, catenary, and third rail :) correct me if im wrong lol
No third rail but the other two variants you mentioned will exist.
@@MrMarshmallow26 oh I thought NYSDOT was gonna have a variant for third rail, good to know
@@donutjokersproductions NYSDOT will use the battery car. You may have mistaken the Metro North Chargers for the Airo sets. That’s what I did lol.
Negative on Boston to Buffalo for the hybrids
I need to see the Chief a few more times before the chorgers take over it.
Hybrid battery power essentially means it can run off both diesel fuel and batteries. For more technical specs look at EMDX 1605
Th editing on here is legit like a big time youtuber.
I try, man, thank you so much.
@@LocoPro np
Excellent video!🎉
Between the new acelas, the new chargers, and the replacements for the amfleet coaches, Amtrak is entering another “rainbow era”.
Siemens powered by Cummins is diabolical
I ain’t wrong, though. 😏
@@LocoPro💀
I love Siemens AND Cummins👽
You never beating the allegations.
💀🤦♂️
…. Once again I miss out. At least I was railfanning so that’s an excuse 😂
Bro did NOT let me get home to get my clips together
Bros timing did NOT align with my scheduling. 😂
I wish America had high-speed rails, id love to travel by train but Amtrak lowkey scares me 😅
What you scared of? 😂
@@LocoPro idk people lol
something about siemens, cummin, and new locomotives is just 💀
I don’t know who came up with these company names, but I know this wasn’t an accident. 😂😂
And MARC commuter rail in Maryland utilize SC 44s
Nice video, I enjoyed it
3:23 near by amtrak their is a tresspasser.
SEMEN CHARGERS 🗣️🔥🔥
Please put the I before E, it looks bad
Lol@@KalamazooAreaRailfan
That's my opinion on the direction Amtrak is going with their rolling stock as well!
4:38 someone at Amtrak must have gone fired after that one
That’s a big Siemens train right there (pause)
🤨📸
@@LocoPro NOW HOLD UP THERE LET ME EXPLAIN
yes
DAMNIT I MISSED THE PREMIERE
Omega F. 😭
The Minecraft music 😢
For the real ones. 🫡
I love the ALC-42 Charger but I love the F40PH 2000 times more. Lol!!!!!!!!!
Sent you some emails, one for the loactions i mentioned, and some photos i got yesterday.
Saw them, thanks. :)
@@LocoPro your welcome.
Amtrak has found a second major fault with the Charger. This time, it's the motor and the way the engine shuts down when not in use At shutdown, the diesel continues to spray into the cylinder, washing away the lubrication. At startup, the cylinder tends to scuff the cylinder wall. Under heavy load, the cylinder fails catastrophically, and the engine needs a tow back for heavy repair. This, as the first problem of over cooling of water lines creating icing of the engine appears to be somewhat fixed. This could be a show stopper if Siemens cant get a repair out soon.
Interesting news. Where did you hear about this?
Stupid emissions stuff no sit there and iddal the engine ai shut off
W video bro
4:38 bro is NOT Japan Railways 💀
Sad to see the p42s go, but this is a new era for us and Amtrak! edit: the locomotive is kind of ugly I can agree we need them back😭😭
I really wish Amtrak would bring back the EMD F40PH and F40PHR locomotives.😢😢😢😢😢
no. just no. 😹
Glad someone can see past the foam. 😂😂
Bro I can’t with the Minecraft music
No apologies.
8:08 shiver me timbers got my laughing so hard😂😂
Long Live the P40s…..hopefully Amtrak will keep the heritage p40s on so we won’t have to see chargers painted into the heritage livery, although the day one scheme they made does look rather good imo
You might be a little disappointed. The Day One Charger already suggests that more will be painted into heritage units once the P42s are phased out.
@@MrMarshmallow26 dang, what a shame. Although it’s weird that chargers haven’t been put on larger trains like the auto train yet. P40s still power it.
@@Track_Side They were gonna test a Charger duo on the Auto Train (346 & 347), but CSX never got to approving the tests and a line of complications (train accidents, etc.) kept delaying the Auto Train and pushing the tests back. So Amtrak sent 346 and 347 somewhere else after sitting in Lorton for two months.
@@MrMarshmallow26 dang what a shame, it’ll be interesting to see a charger duo lead an auto train imo
@@Track_Side It sure will. The Auto Train will be able to expand in length since the Chargers provide more HEP.
the Siemens are still problematic with the cars breaking down and that leaves the P40s to stay on to keep power to the cars
That my friend, is a Siemens charger. The newest bus to Amtrak. I think those things are disgusting but I just have to accept that chargers are the new future. They are also wearing the brand new paint scheme. Phase 6 (I think)
Phase VII, actually.
@@LocoPro ok, thank you. I wasn’t sure of that. So thanks for clarifying.
Huge amounts of Siemens on this train (pause)
Resume. 😏
💀📸
I dare you to go to Florida and the NEC and the last thing is I dare you to film 100 Amtrak in one hour so that means a lot of driving and a lot of gas and if you run out of gas you have to restart the challenge
Amtrak I don’t even think has 100 trains on the nationwide system at the same time
Chargers still have horrendous reliability in cold weather, don’t ask me how I know
Talking from experience? 😂😭
@@LocoPro *inhales* Bear with me:
We had a winter storm come through this past January, and it effectively wiped out 3/4 of the midwest SC44 fleet. Even with P42’s and unbelievably the Dash 8’s subbing in, they were consistently canceling trains on the midwest routes for 3 weeks. They actually canceled all Michigan trains (Wolverine, Blue Water, Pere Marquette, etc) for 5 days in row because they didn’t have the power available.
Since the Wolverine and Blue Water run on a line that uses ITCS (an older form of PTC), they hit higher speeds (110mph) but only certain engines that have the system (P42’s 50-69, Dash 8’s 518 and 519 and all of the NPCU’s have it).
To make matters worse, the Dash 8’s are only rated for 90mph, the NPCU’s are unsafe above 90, and a lot of the 50-69 pool P42’s are in Beech Grove with wreck damage, they did NOT have the power.
Corporate was choosing to get the long distance trains out with the power they had. NOT the corridor stuff (which the Michigan trains are alongside the Illinois stuff). It created a giant domino effect that completely screwed up the Midwestern commuter routes for nearly a month while the Charger fleet slowly but surely came back.
Poor radiator design tends to be the issue during the winter, with snow getting into and the engine block and effectively killing it. Another flaw is that if you lose your head end power generator, for some stupid f&$@*!$ reason, the locomotive no longer works and becomes completely useless!
I really hope someone, whether it’s the D.O.T or Amtrak themselves, goes to Siemens and have them completely rework the engines and their design. They’re junk anyway, but it’s only made 100x worse during the winter.
(Feel free to pin).
@TohaBgood2 he told you in your own comment brah
how u not like amtrak
Redundant to me. Same locomotives, same lashup, same consist (besides the occasional exceptions), and over in like ten seconds. 😂
@@LocoPro fair enough! i love amtrak tho
@@NortheastCorridorFilms All power to you, twin. Enjoy the OG Amtrak while it lasts.
@@LocoPro 🌟
Meh, im not really a fan of the chargers.
It will take me a while to get used to them.
But that doesnt mean i didnt enjoy this video.
Keep up the awesome work!
The ALC-42'S are still plagued with issues. They're not doing better then the P42's atm.
The P42s are having plenty of issues
@Schola718 never said they weren't. They should for an engine of its age. The ALC42's are having just as many for something brand new.
@@bdub215teething
I dare you to go to Florida and the NEC and the last thing is I dare you to film 100 Amtrak in one hour so that means a lot of driving and a lot of gas and if you run out of gas you have to restart the challenge