Holy heck you absolute madlads!😂 I figured "no way are they gonna be safe, let alone able to pull off, just walking up to a manufacturer unannounced and getting a meeting..." _AND YA DID THE DANG THING_ heckyeah bud!!
When I was in Shanghai with my mate, we walked into a VW plant and found someone and asked, using our phones as translators, for a tour. And they had no problem at all. We tagged on to a full tour party and god the gold treatment, they couldn’t have been more accommodating
Its that attitude towards business that gives China a competitive edge. They will try so hard to get a sale. This is compared to north America where as a small OEM it's like pulling teeth to be able to buy stuff. We need to change our business attitude in N. America where the big company's start trying to earn the sales from the small businesses again.
Oooo that independent steering axle set up is siiiccckkk ... 5ton military truck retrofit, 6 wheel drive, independent suspension all around... Yep, now if i can just win the lotto
I am thinking 8 wheel drive, independent steer, independent suspension. You could crab walk, tank turn, and dual steer turn. Could make a great off road recovery vehicle.
@@TrucksScaleModels that's probably true and would make sense. So let's change it to a toter home with 6 wheel drive, 6 wheel steer. The most maneuverable tow rig in the pits
@@pastaalalamborghini my issue would be the extremely low top speed. 70kmh(35mph) is great if you never need to leave an area like a town, but you would need to trailer it between locations making it not very practical.
i can imagine the ice road truckers loving a diesel electric drive AWD bigrig with powered trailer like the ability to have that extra grip and control on that surface will be a game changer
@@jackass123455 Not just them, any truck that is potentially traction limited will benefit from the extra 10-20% tractive force*. When they're running "bob tail" the front axle could be adding 50%, or more, which can make a big difference when pushing through soft, slippery ground. I'm thinking of the Aussie road trains, as they operate a lot on loose ground, sand, and gravel, and when you're hauling 100+ tons, even a modest 'jump up' can cause issues with not quite the drive needed from the rear axles.
You and Eric have come soooo far Chace . Look at how you are growing by leaps and Bounds every month . Great minds working as one. Technical innovation just like The Canadarm . You make us proud , boys .
Not to me. I want the stuff behind me to have slight drag in slippery conditions to make sure that it stays behind me. You start trying to push into a bendy bit in low traction and its like riding a bicycle on ice. The front goes sideways and you jackknife.
@@RowanHawkins Sounds like it's more complex than just "slap on a motor and a giant plug". I bet with an angle sensor on the hitch and some logic borrowed from traction control you could make a powered trailer nice and docile on mud and ice. A "slight drag" would be pretty easy to setup too. Lots of mud/sand conditions where tires dig instead of roll unless they have some power to them.
@EdisonMotors Without any excessive wear because something doesn't get oiled or other weird stuff, the axle not running under its own power and stuff? ...I mean - it looks very simple, but could potentially be a bit more complicated.
the powered axle on a Log trailer would be a total game changer, especially for a self loader, cause we're always getting called into some janky back yard with no road... little bit of push from the trailer would make life soooo much easier. be better if it say was made with smaller drive motor, to save weight, and you really don't need massive power on the trailer, just a wee bit of assistance does wonders. A lift axle with independent drive motors, would be super skookum easy addition to a traditional diesel truck too... small set a batteries, you could just use it for cruising speeds or a boost on hills etc.
@@sebastiant5695 to be fair though, a dumB truck or Log truck spend a lot of time without a trailer going places where "muh pick up made it just fine" so having a driven steer axle would be pretty skookum too, to say nothing of OH SNOW! That and log truckin... sometimes you just can't turn... logging roads are twisty and steep... having a little assistance from the front tires would be more then welcome even down hill.
I freaking love this dude. He's a real life Wayne from Letterkenny. Such a genuine bunch of people. From one blue collar guy to another, you guys are doing great things!
I absolutely can not wait for more. I'm also super excited to try to get some dollars to you for investing. I just super believe in what you all are doing!
I like the positive outlook on your whole trip. I enjoyed my travels to China last fall as well, fantastic place and while the flow of people is a lot faster then were usually used too, everyone is still quite nice. Looking forward to your trucks on the road, showing the world that people can still innovate and build!
Glad you had a nice and productive visit. Looks like you were in the Shanghai Tower. I was just there last month. Pretty cool place. But yeah, being physically in China and doing business in China is on a whole other level compared to the west. Say what you will about their political system, they are light years ahead of the west when it comes to modern business.
@@debi5292 Not stolen at all. Those company's owners took it over there, not forced. There are no requirements anywhere in U.S. regulations that requires a company to move it's operations to ANY foreign country, it is the greedy owners of those companies who make that decision.
That's extremely smart considering to put a drive unit in the trailer. In the winter in the British Columbia mountains the extra traction can make the difference between chaining up or not. It also allows in extreme conditions requiring chain up to have another axle with the extra weight to go where every one else is stuck. You guys are awesome. Shows you have real world experience and solutions to everyday problems such as the neutral feature on the drive axles. You guys will go far with your fore sight and innovations.
there is not really a need to. 1/2 usually have independent front ends with a differential right in the middle. Just replace the differential with small electric motor. In a Semi you have the engine hanging low in the middle where it's had to place an differential. The front end does not need a lot of power - might get away with just flanch a electric motor to an existing differential in the space where the small drive shaft from the transferase usually would sit.
@@charlypeters2615I drive past regularly, I think most of their engines are for specialist applications, used to be very common in farming. Almost sad to see their demise
Those almost look like oversized quad piston Brembo style calipers. So much easier to do pads on those. Looks like a bit of a pain to install rotors, but for the kind of braking performance you get, it's a sacrifice on maintenance that is well worth it.
Already signed up for the investor notification.... This is the kind of video I love to see from Edison Motors YT channel. Great stuff and productive. Really going to be interested in the pickup truck conversion for my gen III cummins quad-cab
Driving trailer axles limit the damage to roads. Back on the farm in the seventies we used an old truck complete with front axle for a trailer. Was a beast to pull with our modest 2wd tractor. We hooked up the pto thru a gearbox via a dri eshaft, flipped the diff to get the correct rotation and with a decent load would go places you would never think. Stopped the tractor ripping up the roadways and fields.
I wonder if you can find a a Canadian with some Chinese language skills for your next visit. I bet they would be really impressed if you brought your own translator.
But then they wouldn't have the local contacts and you would be insulting your host. Face is very important in Asia. Also ethnic Chinese from other countries get treated more like traitors when they visit China, especially if they don't speak Chinese well.
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@@RowanHawkins LOL check your racist assumptions sleepy. Plenty of white Chinese language speakers.
EV deuce and a half,... get emergency crews in to disaster zones, then back 'em up to the local hospitals and get power to life saving equipment while the grids are being restored.
Awesome. Very cool stuff. How about Scania gen-sets? ...should be servicable through International. At least it's the S13 in the new binders. They also make a 9 liter.
Like having disc brakes. After driving Unimogs years ago, gotta admit I'm a fan of them. Being able to disenguage drive easily if need to tow is a real bonus.
Its nice to see some guy s visiting the country and form an honest opinion. The is so much said about: ,,made in china,, but nowadays they do a lot of r and d on their stuff. Only problem for us is that we get dependable on their supply.
signed up for the investment notice! If yall get well setup on truck production i think the next thing yall should try Jet engine + electric car A small jet engine can give plenty of power to recharge a car and also be main power source. In Aviation our jets already are used for power generation via APUs. In the past Chrysler attempted a jet engine car and it failed due to the costs and idling issues but with a electric you can make the jet run at the same speed continuously I believe its a really good idea now especially if you guys pull a ford and target lower middle class americans. Tesla is a nice car but the extra junk makes it a rich person car and not something for normal people.
I have been telling all my Friends and Work partner's and family How Edison motors is about to change the World in such amazing ways and they don't even know anything and look at me crazy .... I feel like I'm all alone out there sometimes And people are so uniformed around me . But they will see someday .
Awesome stuff! The comments on steer axles reminds me that you could make some crazy low trucks for recovery or towing with detachable axles or movable axles like a transformer. Whether or not there's a market for that and it's viable to do, I dunno...
this is awesome, think of the diesel pusher market.. swap out the rear axle w/ an E-Axle, and attach the rest of the gear where the Allison trans would go. packaging wouldn't be too terrible with the amount of room in those rigs.
@@mrescoford yup. I especially as a retrofit for air drums all around.. plus, the old cats and Cummins running at a constant speed would yield good “economy”
Is that dual motor axle? torque vectoring in gravel/mud would be interesting. steering axles for the trailer in the woods would be helpful with hydraulic/electric steering. to on road use, steering mechanism locked. (and sometimes off road is on asphalt 😂)
On the logging truck if your coming down a big hill using dynamic braking and the batteries hit 100% charge, does the dynamic braking stop working? Or do you have a load bank to take the extra energy and keep the braking working?
They’re better. - more protected for off-road driving - stronger - higher weight rating - 2 motors instead of one - 30% more powerful - allows more independent axle control with twin motors
As a former oilfield worker, you get a hybrid twin-steer out there, you'll be winning the oil patch. Essentially Topsy with another steering axle, long frame and service deck with tow crane to move bowsers, boilers, shacks and whatever else around a drilling site means you get the work. Reliability in all weather and ground conditions is paramount. That tour was awesome! A part of me wishes we had our manufacturing up to snuff in Canada so we could make that here. But that's another political shit show I don't need to explain to you folks that are going through that at home.
You won’t win the oil patch Cause diesels will be lasting longer than electric. Look at topsy Has a whole team Has only done a few Light trips And already has problems teams of engineers can’t fix
Hopefully the lid to that axle switch has pockets in it that would hold the switch to one side or the other and prevent it from moving when the lid is on. It looked pretty easy for him to move that, and logging trucks arent exactly on the smoothest of roads or treated so nicely from the loaders/unloaders.
Is there any potential move away from air brakes? Since everything is electric it would seem simpler designs to have the brake system all electric as well especially since regen does the majority of braking anyway.
I think electric service brakes with air parking would be the way to go, that way you can still release with current tech on wreckers to roll the vehicles
Air brakes work and have redundant safety backups. I wouldn't trust electric brakes because in an event you lost all electrical you also loose your brakes too and that's unacceptable to me
@@EdisonMotors Yep I understand that. However that could be replicated. There are furnace duct actuators that are an electric motor that wind up a spring in a gearbox fashion and hold open as long as voltage applied, as soon as voltage is lost the spring returns the mechinisum to closed state mechanically with no power. Although air has other uses such as riding airbags and whatnot as well.
@@EdisonMotors loss of brakes? They're spring actuated, so they'll engage with lack of air or electronic actuator. True they will be on until the issue is fixed. Air has issues too.
Does the neutral mode physically disconnect the axle shafts from the electric motor stator? If not, how are you handling the HV unloaded power from the motor? Does it not cause overvoltage damage to the inverter? I understand if that information is proprietary, however, it's just some questions I have with that platform.
I wonder if the unsuspended weight of the heavy motors directly located on the wheel hubs matter as much on a truck as it matters on a passenger vehicle, where it would be a huge no-no as unsuspended weight greatly affects handling.
I know that most people are keyboard warriors. When the same $100 product is placed in front of you, the American product has an ultimate strength of 1000MPA, while at the same price, the Chinese product can reach 1500MPA. If you are a manufacturer, what will you choose? I am just giving an example. The reality may be even more cruel. Because China has already sprinted towards Industry 4.0, while most Americans and Canadians still believe that China can only produce inferior products. These keyboard warriors don't know that most of the electrical appliances, cars, industrial machine tools, and agricultural tools they use have parts from China. They think they are using domestic products and cheer for the quality of domestic products. It is very sad. Besides, I live in Wuxi where they go.
I take it that the axles are very weather resistant , especially the steering axles. But. !!! would it be prudent to have some sort of shrouding around them to protect them from rocks and mud ,ice etc . From getting packed up with road debris, thus making it easier to keep clean !! Just something to think about when building off road units , branch or log pops up and takes out an important component. I have had a large branch pop up and take out a brake line on me before. And getting stuck in mud and rocks damage drive shafts.. So when you’re fabricating a new project together it’s something to consider…. Food for thought. !! Have a. Fun. Day. LOVE WHAT YOUR DOING. !!!!!
Holy heck you absolute madlads!😂 I figured "no way are they gonna be safe, let alone able to pull off, just walking up to a manufacturer unannounced and getting a meeting..." _AND YA DID THE DANG THING_ heckyeah bud!!
When I was in Shanghai with my mate, we walked into a VW plant and found someone and asked, using our phones as translators, for a tour. And they had no problem at all. We tagged on to a full tour party and god the gold treatment, they couldn’t have been more accommodating
Its that attitude towards business that gives China a competitive edge. They will try so hard to get a sale. This is compared to north America where as a small OEM it's like pulling teeth to be able to buy stuff.
We need to change our business attitude in N. America where the big company's start trying to earn the sales from the small businesses again.
Fast exchange leads to progress.
@EdisonMotors it makes me happy to see production moving forward. I gave you hell for wanting to wait years while you design and test.
The Chinese companies support growth
Great to see that you have done a good job in business and had a good time in China! China welcomes people like you guys all the time!!!
Oooo that independent steering axle set up is siiiccckkk ... 5ton military truck retrofit, 6 wheel drive, independent suspension all around... Yep, now if i can just win the lotto
I am thinking 8 wheel drive, independent steer, independent suspension. You could crab walk, tank turn, and dual steer turn. Could make a great off road recovery vehicle.
This is for airport buses, not suitsble for offroad
@@tfodthogtmfof7644so basically an electric Stryker lol
@@TrucksScaleModels that's probably true and would make sense. So let's change it to a toter home with 6 wheel drive, 6 wheel steer. The most maneuverable tow rig in the pits
@@pastaalalamborghini my issue would be the extremely low top speed. 70kmh(35mph) is great if you never need to leave an area like a town, but you would need to trailer it between locations making it not very practical.
Air disc brakes on the main axles and independent powered fronts? I like where this manufacturer is going! AWD electric big rigs will be sweet
i can imagine the ice road truckers loving a diesel electric drive AWD bigrig with powered trailer like the ability to have that extra grip and control on that surface will be a game changer
@@jackass123455 A youtuber tested Benz G-class and YangWang U8 on the snow city road in Russian. YangWang U8 is faster.
@@jackass123455
Not just them, any truck that is potentially traction limited will benefit from the extra 10-20% tractive force*. When they're running "bob tail" the front axle could be adding 50%, or more, which can make a big difference when pushing through soft, slippery ground.
I'm thinking of the Aussie road trains, as they operate a lot on loose ground, sand, and gravel, and when you're hauling 100+ tons, even a modest 'jump up' can cause issues with not quite the drive needed from the rear axles.
@@gordowg1wg145200tonnes
This is eaxle "CDTL", it's the leading supplier of epowertrain from China
Y'all are changing hearts and minds about what electric vehicles mean for Canada and the world. Thank you.
Hybrid YES, Electric nope.
@@carlthor91 it's a marathon, it ain't a sprint 😘
Can't wait,,,you go guy's!
Please do not let the White House know, they will put 100% tariff on it.
I love that you and Rich are wearing each other's merch to avoid being pretentious! ;) Thanks for documenting your journey.
Too wholesome those 2
Skid factory & MCM stuff too
The towing mode is slick.
You and Eric have come soooo far Chace .
Look at how you are growing by leaps and Bounds every month .
Great minds working as one.
Technical innovation just like The Canadarm .
You make us proud , boys .
Electric trailer axles sounds like a great addition for winter roads and mud.
Not to me. I want the stuff behind me to have slight drag in slippery conditions to make sure that it stays behind me. You start trying to push into a bendy bit in low traction and its like riding a bicycle on ice. The front goes sideways and you jackknife.
@@RowanHawkins fair enough.
@@RowanHawkins Sounds like it's more complex than just "slap on a motor and a giant plug". I bet with an angle sensor on the hitch and some logic borrowed from traction control you could make a powered trailer nice and docile on mud and ice. A "slight drag" would be pretty easy to setup too. Lots of mud/sand conditions where tires dig instead of roll unless they have some power to them.
@@martylawson1638 Push at 50% assist, rather then 100% drag. :)
Already in use in Europe.
Wow love this china series.
All the way from germany🔥👍.
So what you are saying we will be able to flat tow the trucks behind an RV by engaging the neutrual tow mode? Yes! Thank you!
Yeah, I guess that would work
@EdisonMotors Without any excessive wear because something doesn't get oiled or other weird stuff, the axle not running under its own power and stuff? ...I mean - it looks very simple, but could potentially be a bit more complicated.
wait. Edison fitted RV towing a Edison fitted truck!!!
@@martinpoulsen6564
I would expect it to just be disconnecting the electrics. That would be to prevent the re-gen happening.
the powered axle on a Log trailer would be a total game changer, especially for a self loader, cause we're always getting called into some janky back yard with no road... little bit of push from the trailer would make life soooo much easier. be better if it say was made with smaller drive motor, to save weight, and you really don't need massive power on the trailer, just a wee bit of assistance does wonders.
A lift axle with independent drive motors, would be super skookum easy addition to a traditional diesel truck too... small set a batteries, you could just use it for cruising speeds or a boost on hills etc.
Underrated comment, rather electrify the trailer axles instead of the steer axle.
@@sebastiant5695 to be fair though, a dumB truck or Log truck spend a lot of time without a trailer going places where "muh pick up made it just fine" so having a driven steer axle would be pretty skookum too, to say nothing of OH SNOW!
That and log truckin... sometimes you just can't turn... logging roads are twisty and steep... having a little assistance from the front tires would be more then welcome even down hill.
I freaking love this dude. He's a real life Wayne from Letterkenny. Such a genuine bunch of people. From one blue collar guy to another, you guys are doing great things!
I absolutely can not wait for more. I'm also super excited to try to get some dollars to you for investing. I just super believe in what you all are doing!
I like the positive outlook on your whole trip.
I enjoyed my travels to China last fall as well, fantastic place and while the flow of people is a lot faster then were usually used too, everyone is still quite nice.
Looking forward to your trucks on the road, showing the world that people can still innovate and build!
You are discovering for yourself that everything made in china isn't garbage. Nice work!
Glad you had a nice and productive visit. Looks like you were in the Shanghai Tower. I was just there last month. Pretty cool place.
But yeah, being physically in China and doing business in China is on a whole other level compared to the west. Say what you will about their political system, they are light years ahead of the west when it comes to modern business.
Edison is one of my favorite companies !
Great content for a OE manufacturer. Congrats for following the right to repair and showing how it's done without fear of theft of concept.
Your hard work and steadfast commitment to this endeavor is admirable and will surely have impressive results! Keep it up, guys! Cheers!
China is really kicking ass with USA tech.
China makes some gorgeous products.
@@chiphill4856 They steal our ideas. And most of what they make is fit for the nearest local junk yard.
bc if it weren't for China those US tech wouldn't be as good and as cheap as they are today. Dongfeng Dana is 50% owned by Dana and 50% owned by China
Tech they STOLE you mean?
Screw the liars.
@@debi5292 Not stolen at all. Those company's owners took it over there, not forced. There are no requirements anywhere in U.S. regulations that requires a company to move it's operations to ANY foreign country, it is the greedy owners of those companies who make that decision.
That's extremely smart considering to put a drive unit in the trailer. In the winter in the British Columbia mountains the extra traction can make the difference between chaining up or not. It also allows in extreme conditions requiring chain up to have another axle with the extra weight to go where every one else is stuck. You guys are awesome. Shows you have real world experience and solutions to everyday problems such as the neutral feature on the drive axles. You guys will go far with your fore sight and innovations.
Motors on the steer axle looks really cool. Any idea if that can or will be scaled down to be made available for 1/2 ton conversions ?
That would be extremely nice to rebuild a 93 f-150/250 4wd with this system!! I would use a 300ci inline 6 for the fueled power plant
there is not really a need to. 1/2 usually have independent front ends with a differential right in the middle. Just replace the differential with small electric motor. In a Semi you have the engine hanging low in the middle where it's had to place an differential. The front end does not need a lot of power - might get away with just flanch a electric motor to an existing differential in the space where the small drive shaft from the transferase usually would sit.
They don't have it at that size yet but we're working together to try and engineer something.
@@EdisonMotors that's awesome
@@jhrubicon1470 thats what the new ram charger is electrical powered with small battery and v6 gas generator
Interesting , Thank You . I hope that every thing keeps working and you all can keep growing
Powered front suspension steering setup in a subframe - wow - and those amazing rear axles. Well done gentlemen!
I'm looking forward to seeing what you guys are doing succeed !
Love the new intro/outro; might not be new but I just saw it for the first time and thought it was cool!😆
What an amazing experience for all of you. Thanks for bringing us along.
I would just like to say that you are inspiring entrepreneurs. There is no place for hate comments here. I just hope for the World in peace. ☮
Great work so far, didn’t even realize Perkins was still a thing.
There's a perkins factory near me in the UK. If they make everything in China then that's one big office 😂
@@charlypeters2615I drive past regularly, I think most of their engines are for specialist applications, used to be very common in farming. Almost sad to see their demise
Those almost look like oversized quad piston Brembo style calipers. So much easier to do pads on those. Looks like a bit of a pain to install rotors, but for the kind of braking performance you get, it's a sacrifice on maintenance that is well worth it.
Super long life with regenerative braking.
Already signed up for the investor notification....
This is the kind of video I love to see from Edison Motors YT channel. Great stuff and productive.
Really going to be interested in the pickup truck conversion for my gen III cummins quad-cab
Amazing! Thank you for sharing this video. Greetings from Madang, Papua New Guinea!
Driving trailer axles limit the damage to roads. Back on the farm in the seventies we used an old truck complete with front axle for a trailer. Was a beast to pull with our modest 2wd tractor. We hooked up the pto thru a gearbox via a dri eshaft, flipped the diff to get the correct rotation and with a decent load would go places you would never think. Stopped the tractor ripping up the roadways and fields.
Keep the momentum 🎉, you guys will really make some money🎉
I wonder if you can find a a Canadian with some Chinese language skills for your next visit. I bet they would be really impressed if you brought your own translator.
But then they wouldn't have the local contacts and you would be insulting your host. Face is very important in Asia. Also ethnic Chinese from other countries get treated more like traitors when they visit China, especially if they don't speak Chinese well.
@@RowanHawkins LOL check your racist assumptions sleepy. Plenty of white Chinese language speakers.
@@RowanHawkins Chinese people care more about personal moral qualities rather than race or nationality
@@RowanHawkins ???WTF
you guys are gonna change the world! ❤🔥
Hell yeah!!! Looks like yall had a great time!!
This is great, some very exciting developments !!!
Please make a deuce and a half. Your idea for military makes so much sense. Especially as a mobile power source.
EV deuce and a half,... get emergency crews in to disaster zones, then back 'em up to the local hospitals and get power to life saving equipment while the grids are being restored.
Good Luck boys!
Just like EMU trains! Briliant!
Very cool but i do wonder how all the additional unsprung mass is going to alter the vehicle dynamics. Shocks will be getting a lot more work etc.
Amazing how well it went
The beauty of Chinese design. I have always criticize US design. Chinese just not only built better but design smarter 👍👍👍
Awesome. Very cool stuff. How about Scania gen-sets? ...should be servicable through International. At least it's the S13 in the new binders. They also make a 9 liter.
...and of course a 16 liter V8, but that might defeat the purpose for electrifying regular trucks. You get to ride in a 770 in Europe?
Rich going round with his fly down distracting my wife. Thanks Uncle Rich.
Finding the right parts, the right solutions, is going to make the final product a lot more cohesive and reliable.
Like having disc brakes. After driving Unimogs years ago, gotta admit I'm a fan of them.
Being able to disenguage drive easily if need to tow is a real bonus.
Its nice to see some guy s visiting the country and form an honest opinion. The is so much said about: ,,made in china,, but nowadays they do a lot of r and d on their stuff. Only problem for us is that we get dependable on their supply.
Super excited for you guys to get this all squared away. I’m going to wait for the 500hp per axle so I can have 1000hp in 4x4.
signed up for the investment notice!
If yall get well setup on truck production i think the next thing yall should try
Jet engine + electric car
A small jet engine can give plenty of power to recharge a car and also be main power source. In Aviation our jets already are used for power generation via APUs.
In the past Chrysler attempted a jet engine car and it failed due to the costs and idling issues but with a electric you can make the jet run at the same speed continuously I believe its a really good idea now especially if you guys pull a ford and target lower middle class americans. Tesla is a nice car but the extra junk makes it a rich person car and not something for normal people.
Last weekend there was a group of us went and had a look at a shed where a guy is restoring a 1918 Walker electric truck. Very interesting.
Good luck all
I have been telling all my Friends and Work partner's and family How Edison motors is about to change the World in such amazing ways and they don't even know anything and look at me crazy .... I feel like I'm all alone out there sometimes And people are so uniformed around me . But they will see someday .
Awesome stuff! The comments on steer axles reminds me that you could make some crazy low trucks for recovery or towing with detachable axles or movable axles like a transformer.
Whether or not there's a market for that and it's viable to do, I dunno...
Awesome! love it!
Looking forward to more info on medium duty conversion trucks. I'd LOVE to do an E-drive in my 75 Loadstar crew cab build.
You have about seven months to build the first all electric rear steer off road wrecker for the Off Road Wrecker Games March 2025 in Hurricane, Utah.
7:45 barn door almost open? haha
meat seeker
this is awesome, think of the diesel pusher market.. swap out the rear axle w/ an E-Axle, and attach the rest of the gear where the Allison trans would go. packaging wouldn't be too terrible with the amount of room in those rigs.
And add the front independent air ride e axle for all wheel drive when needed
@@mrescoford yup. I especially as a retrofit for air drums all around.. plus, the old cats and Cummins running at a constant speed would yield good “economy”
Was going to buy a set of those axles till I got a price just for one. Blew my mind how much it was. That's when I noped right out of there
Those axles look heavy. TOPSY was lighter than a stock truck but i bet those axles add alot of weight...curious to how much?
Is that dual motor axle? torque vectoring in gravel/mud would be interesting.
steering axles for the trailer in the woods would be helpful with hydraulic/electric steering. to on road use, steering mechanism locked. (and sometimes off road is on asphalt 😂)
On the logging truck if your coming down a big hill using dynamic braking and the batteries hit 100% charge, does the dynamic braking stop working? Or do you have a load bank to take the extra energy and keep the braking working?
they just use the air brakes for backup if there is no regen
@@JD-yx7be air brakes won't last long
?.???? How about rear steering both truck and Trailer especially long trailers for getting around tight turns
Those things are beefy!
Why did you go with different axles for the next gen rather than the axles that are currently in topsy?
They’re better.
- more protected for off-road driving
- stronger
- higher weight rating
- 2 motors instead of one
- 30% more powerful
- allows more independent axle control with twin motors
did you think about the remote control for the truck? in risky terrain maybe it is better to just walk outside.
and those videos on tiktok on what ridiculous terrain your truck can drive fully loaded.
I would so want that on my truck AWD for the mountains that would be amazing
That unsprung mass is diabolical even for a truck. And you have to pull the whole assembly to service it.
So how dose the fuel efficiency come in if your powering front an second axle at same time??
Understand the rear but not the front??👍👍🙏🙏🇬🇧🇬🇧
Game changers
Stop the music, the flash,the vfx, just goes straight to the content.
How does a powered trailer drive?
Do the motors sync up?
Power distribution?
Jack knife prevention?
This is SO much better than what Tesla has given us, you have actually achievable targets, good luck at industrial shop!
As a former oilfield worker, you get a hybrid twin-steer out there, you'll be winning the oil patch. Essentially Topsy with another steering axle, long frame and service deck with tow crane to move bowsers, boilers, shacks and whatever else around a drilling site means you get the work. Reliability in all weather and ground conditions is paramount. That tour was awesome! A part of me wishes we had our manufacturing up to snuff in Canada so we could make that here. But that's another political shit show I don't need to explain to you folks that are going through that at home.
You won’t win the oil patch
Cause diesels will be lasting longer than electric.
Look at topsy
Has a whole team
Has only done a few Light trips
And already has problems teams of engineers can’t fix
Hopefully the lid to that axle switch has pockets in it that would hold the switch to one side or the other and prevent it from moving when the lid is on. It looked pretty easy for him to move that, and logging trucks arent exactly on the smoothest of roads or treated so nicely from the loaders/unloaders.
Awesome
Is there any potential move away from air brakes? Since everything is electric it would seem simpler designs to have the brake system all electric as well especially since regen does the majority of braking anyway.
I think electric service brakes with air parking would be the way to go, that way you can still release with current tech on wreckers to roll the vehicles
Air brakes work and have redundant safety backups. I wouldn't trust electric brakes because in an event you lost all electrical you also loose your brakes too and that's unacceptable to me
@@EdisonMotors Yep I understand that. However that could be replicated. There are furnace duct actuators that are an electric motor that wind up a spring in a gearbox fashion and hold open as long as voltage applied, as soon as voltage is lost the spring returns the mechinisum to closed state mechanically with no power. Although air has other uses such as riding airbags and whatnot as well.
@@EdisonMotors loss of brakes? They're spring actuated, so they'll engage with lack of air or electronic actuator. True they will be on until the issue is fixed. Air has issues too.
Does the neutral mode physically disconnect the axle shafts from the electric motor stator? If not, how are you handling the HV unloaded power from the motor? Does it not cause overvoltage damage to the inverter? I understand if that information is proprietary, however, it's just some questions I have with that platform.
I thought Edison guys and Rich already were friends! 😅😅
There's friends and then there's living out of hotels in each others space for two weeks friends.
I wonder if the unsuspended weight of the heavy motors directly located on the wheel hubs matter as much on a truck as it matters on a passenger vehicle, where it would be a huge no-no as unsuspended weight greatly affects handling.
That axle unlock lever cover design permits replacing it with a manual or electric remote control.
With all these independent drive components... is there a possibility of an Edison Pike's Peak truck??
Ok so, do u have a dedicated Suzi line for electric, asaposed to just lights.
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Canadian business suits on
Would the electric axle be able to recharge the battery? Maybe not even drive the wheels, recharge only...
Regenerative braking should be easy as hell with that setup. It would certainly help with high grade slopes.
But why? There is very little difference between a generator and motor.
That is call hybrid, already existed for long time.
So I have a never used monster truck chassis. Could I go electric?
What are you going to do for service if something happens to one of the axles for parts wise?
I know that most people are keyboard warriors. When the same $100 product is placed in front of you, the American product has an ultimate strength of 1000MPA, while at the same price, the Chinese product can reach 1500MPA. If you are a manufacturer, what will you choose?
I am just giving an example. The reality may be even more cruel. Because China has already sprinted towards Industry 4.0, while most Americans and Canadians still believe that China can only produce inferior products.
These keyboard warriors don't know that most of the electrical appliances, cars, industrial machine tools, and agricultural tools they use have parts from China. They think they are using domestic products and cheer for the quality of domestic products. It is very sad.
Besides, I live in Wuxi where they go.
Have you looked into the MYT engine. It's a powerful tiny engine that can run on diesel?
2:20 .. the super low would be good for transit buses or streetcars with low floors.
Where are you on the possibility of selling a mini-Topsy with a pickup bed? I've always wanted a road vehicle with a driver seat in the center.
I take it that the axles are very weather resistant , especially the steering axles. But. !!! would it be prudent to have some sort of shrouding around them to protect them from rocks and mud ,ice etc . From getting packed up with road debris, thus making it easier to keep clean !! Just something to think about when building off road units , branch or log pops up and takes out an important component. I have had a large branch pop up and take out a brake line on me before. And getting stuck in mud and rocks damage drive shafts.. So when you’re fabricating a new project together it’s something to consider…. Food for thought. !! Have a. Fun. Day. LOVE WHAT YOUR DOING. !!!!!
Was that tall building swaying?
Are these compatible with LMTV 6x6 or 4x4? I've wanted to do a hybrid overlander from a mil surplus truck for years.
So why not have a push pull cable so no remove the cover. ?
Now that there is an electric axle on a trailer, how much would ~20HP worth of solar on the roof of the trailer affect fuel economy?
Bros zipper took a vacation at some point, what were the chinese offering you guys xDXDXD 7:45