That means he’s just a truck guy of the old, or an old-time truck guy because I remember my grandfather telling me truck drivers used to know every nut bolt that went into the rig in the old days and how everything worked😊
He not only knows every nut and bolt but he knows why he used that nut or bolt instead of a different one. He went through piece by piece to make sure that his truck could be repaired in the middle of a desert at a diesel station with “common” replacement parts. Electric diesel hybrids that you can repair anywhere and on the cheap. He is not only providing a service but a value as well.
He is a TRUCK GUY who also happens to be a driver. He knows everything about this truck (he built it) and most everything about other trucks because he has operated (not just driven) many of those as well. A wonderful and uncommon combination. They should do well.
The most impressive thing I heard was that all Scania Tier 4 Final engines are able to meet emission standards without the need of a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).
Well, having to keep up with the European emission regulations, they're 10-15 years ahead to their strictly NA competition, plus the much higher price of fuel in Europe pushes manufacturers to make more efficient engines. I'm glad Edison Motors trucks are going to have top-tier engines and Scania seems like an awesome business partner from what Chace has told us about them so far.
@@Daddo22 Excellent observations. I would be curious for any explanations why American manufacturers cannot meet regulations without exhaust treatment. Certainly cost is a major factor. Do we lack the political will for research? Are we playing short term checkers instead of long view chess? I've got to believe that our engineers are at least as smart as those in Sweden. Please enlighten me fellow readers.
@@stephenkramme7063 Although I'm no expert, I think the 2 biggest factors are regulations and good old-fashined capitalism both constantly pushing the companies to inovate. For regulations, there are not only the ones regarding emissions, but also drivers' work conditions like total times, breaks etc. that are much more restrictive than US ones and thus companies are willing to invest more into more powerful engines so that the drivers don't waste their time slowly climbing hills. For the capitalism part, there are higher fuel prices in combination with aforementioned shorter driver work times and widespread network of rail, which in combination create a very competitive environment.
On our ship we have a new jcb powered generator that meets European stage 5 without any after treatment. The overlap on the camshaft between exhaust and intake is so large the intake ports get clogged with soot when the engine isn’t running hot enough. The engine is two years old, has 11,5k hours on it and it’s been cleaned twice. According to the mechanic we run it decently hot because ours was not bad at all.
As an engine engineer at Scania, it makes me very happy that we have such a great service for our to be customers! I think he has made a great choice. The 5cyl is really a really good package.
Your Canadian operation seems like they are on the ball, and the product itself seems rock solid too. I’m hoping for a successful partnership with Edison!
Thanks for having Chace and Edison Motors on your channel. Edison is on the precipice of success in the market they are chasing. It is all about testing testing testing and roll out. Edisons EV Pick up conversion kits are very interesting as well. Cheers 🇨🇦
In another video, Edison Motors talked more about how important the engine noise factor is for construction trucks and other trucks that work in the city. Many residential areas only let heavy trucks operate or drive through the area during a limited period of the day. This means they can't do a full shift, when they run only on battery outside those limited hours greatly increasing the value of electric trucks for some companies.
Well, they are building hybrids. That means that at some time, the diesel has to be started to re-charge the battery. The builder talks about software and that would do most of the decision making about when to start or stop the ICE and at what power level and speed. I've see a few of his videos. He "optimized" his early trucks for logging and in logging you often bring heavy loads down from a mountain and return empty up the mountain. That means that the truck re-gen is being pushed by a heave load down the hill and has only a little load coming back up. That the reduce the need for starting the ICE.
@@GilmerJohn " That means that at some time, the diesel has to be started to recharge the battery. " For plug-in hybrids, this is not true, it only means there is an option to use the diesel engine to charge the battery.
@@ryuuguu01 -- In practice, it will usually mean start the engine. It would take a 50 kW power source to really make much difference in charging the battery. In some places they might have much power for over night charging but these Edison trucks (even the pick up conversions) are serious power hogs.
@@GilmerJohn The hybrids are for areas where it isnt easy to charge. For working in a city there should be better options as a hybrid. Like changing the battery pack.
Exactly, just think of all the gravel trucks, concrete mixers, garbage trucks rolling around the city. Giving them electric get up and go will also help with traffic flow. Its a win win all around. The most expensive and complicated thing in a truck is the transmission, going serial hybrid is such a good idea. I bet a 6 litre diesel is plenty big, nine is probably overkill. We are at the beginning of the most interesting time in the last 100 years of heavy duty drivetrains. Need to get these guys some capital to get things going.
I've been following Edison through YT shorts and I absolute love what they're doing; it makes me wish I didn't have a silly office job but worked with guys like these. I hope and pray they succeed and prove to all other truck manufacturers that planned obsolescence is bs.
If they ever do crowd funding, like the company Aptera did, they will need an army of investors to put up a few thousand dollars each for share vouchers.
@@Gunter_Custom To just build that first total custom truck took a whole lot of ambition. They will do just fine. Like Sandy said, a vacuum will be filled.
@@johnarnold893and it took them ten years. They will never go any where.. There are a ton of diyers in North America who have converted vehicles to electric on their own .. This is not as hard as they are making it
@@Gunter_Custom Electric is one thing Hybrid is another do you even know what goes into having a tier4 rated engine running and running well probably not do you know what goes into programing the generator to run as a jakebrake when the battery is full probably not do you know what goes into tuning the regen so the axles don't break apart when breaking with 150.000lb loads probably not you talk a lot of smack for someone that doesn't know how to engineer a truck platform from the ground up
The hybrid that actually makes sense. We've had Diesel electric systems since the 30s, it has always blown my mind that all hybrids weren't built like this since the beginning
Look at all those diesel locomotives! Those have been the backbone of Indian Rail here for last 5-7 decades. It's just now in this last 10 years or so the govt. was finally able to cobble enough money to get electrification on track and we are steadily getting new electric traction loco's.
@@donjones4719 I'm skeptical about whether that is true or not. Diesel electric systems burn less fuel, whether they are in a locomotive or marine application
@@donjones4719 No, why not? because ICE engines have a sweet spot of rmps that are the most efficient that they mostly never get to stay in but generators do now with batteries or super capacitors as the buffer you dotn't need to rev the generator when you get an increased in load demand for more speed or more cargo.
@@donjones4719Edison Motors trucks do not draw power from engine and electric motor(s) together. The diesel engine is strictly used to run a generator and is not tied into the drive train.
Sandy, it's really awesome to see your support for Chase and his efforts with Edison motors. I've been following Edison motors efforts and I think Chase and team have that perspective that big corporate just doesn't have which could make the difference in the market they are working for. I wish them the best.
Thank you, Sandy! ...love what these guys are doing up in Canada for all of us - thank you for giving of your time and energy to share and promote and your wisdom to help guide!
4:11 Listening to the acceleration with 150,000lb of load, we'll need to add software that limits the road chew up that the high shear the roading will experience. This is slightly different to the vertical axel loading that heavy vehicles are categorized by.
Sandy: How much money do you need? Chace: At least a couple million. Understatement of the year. I love these guys and Chace was being a bit cheeky with his answer as he knows better, but they won't be able to wipe their nose with a couple million dollars. The slow and steady approach *is* the right way to do this, however.
I think it's taken them like 3mill to get this far, they're real careful with investors though don't want any big company that just wants roi in 3 years with a cheap junker truck
He's got a log hauling company day job that he already uses refurbished old trucks in. Going slow with Edison means he can cash-flow the early RnD and pay for the refinement of the truck by being the first big customer. Outside investment just means he can go faster.
If you’ve never gone to visit the Skookumchuck Narrows, don’t do it in July unless you enjoy needing a blood transfusion for all the 🩸 you’ve lost to the skitters 😂 Also, they should have Chance and the truck on an episode of Shoresy, with his east coast accent and Canadian expressions he’d fit right in!
Well I think Sandy needs to follow up on this company more closely and get to drive one of the rigs ! Maybe go in a regular logging truck back to back with this one and see the difference! Great interview Sandy !
Thank you for following my Brother from another mother through his journey. Chase is going places with Edison. As a Barber myself I know what we are capable of when we believe in ourselves. I have been following him since he started with Carl and he keeps on delivering where others fail.
Edison turned down venture capital because they wanted to make them change the quality of the product. Chase is not only building them right, he’s got integrity.
It's fantastic that this vehicle is coming from Canada! The danger for nascent companies like Edison is that through a lack of development funds this vehicle takes another 3-5 years before any significant production begins. Like the Tesla truck, commercial transport is just desperate for a new generation of vehicles like this Edison truck. Sandy, if Chace is open to it, you need to help him with your industry/investor connections! China is coming for companies like this!
Marvelous opportunity on this Tech, a great application of EV-hybrid truck (local loads). OTR ( over the road) long distance is a BAD application of the tech (1000 mileor km /day) is not a good use, perhaps in distant future will) . Logging between forest and Mill or rail-head is Perfect use.
Wherever the load is at a much higher elevation than the destination (mining, logging) these electric haulers could probably eliminate the diesel engine by regenerating enough on the way down to power their way back up. I believe there is a mine that uses electric rock trucks that never need to recharge.
@briansilver9652 if they were just going up and down the mountain maybe that would work. They usually have at least an hour round trip when they get off the logging road. That is where the diesel kicks in. It gives them that little boost in range so they don't need to add more batteries.
@@nathanmahler3743 I believe the Edison guy said that was possible in another interview. The fact that they're empty going uphill and massively loaded down hill may overcome inefficiencies .
when i see my diesel garbage truck accelerate and brake at each house on the street. can’t help to think how much pollution is going into air from emissions and brake dust. we should be focusing on city trucks but everyone is still looking a highway trucks. i’m sure the chinese have electric garbage trucks but my children and i have to wait for the local producers so we can breath fresh air.
I hope the BC government helps him instead of getting in the way. In the mid 1960s I had a summer job on the CP Princess Patricia, 5 boilers generating steam for 2 steam turbines powering two DC generators driving two massive DC motors generating a total of 15,000 horsepower.
A $50M loan or grant to get it ready for manufacturing seems like a great use of dollars compared to the LNG and Oil and gas subsidies which are both out of control and unsustainable...
@stickynorth those subsidies are mostly just tax write offs that any company can make. Then there are some grants handed out for researching and developing emissions reductions programs. In many cases that tech has ended up getting a return on investment since that tech ends up being sold. Also at least in Alberta the industrial carbon tax money funds that stuff. It's not general revenue. Edison could apply for a grant and they would most likely get money out of that program as well.
Sadly Edison did try to approach the BC Government for a grant, but due to some sketchy shit going on with the Grant Program basically requiring you use a SPESIFIC company to get your grant written up (for a fee of course). It lead to a controversy where the Government investigated itself and found it did nothing wrong. They have a video explaining it far better on their channel.
I wondered about that. I've seen some of the PR stuff but have never seen the truck drivers in a candid interview. I wish I could hear them talk about it.
Also, I worked in Oilfield .Diesel electric AC or DC. I’m good to go with it. Also I switched over from the old compound Rriggs to electrical rig/pneumatic. My golden rule is Drilling rig or driving Rig. It’s the same thing. One turns forward and one turns to the right.
6:05 THANK YOU for mentioning when you let DeBoss Garage drive it. That clip has been rent free in my head the entire time this has been going on. Also I love the shade thrown at Tesla with the little line on the bottom saying "The Tesla has only hauled 85,000lbs"
"Around here, it looks kind of like a lot of hills, mountains, and stuff." I'd say! Most of British Columbia is sandwiched between the Coastal Mountain range and the Rocky Mountains.
Congratulations. These are needed and are realistic not the idiot government idea of electric only. Canadian BC government need to help get this done before it ends up leaving Canada.
I like these guys! Seems like they're no BS and still naive (in a good way, they act in goodwill and are confused when others don't). They had their first big run in with government corruption recently when a consultancy was double dealing writing and ALSO approving government grants to EV businesses.
I had to Google the word also… Skookum is a Chinook Jargon word that has historical use in the Pacific Northwest. It has a range of meanings, commonly associated with an English translation of strong or monstrous. The word can mean strong,[1] greatest, powerful, ultimate, or brave. Something can be skookum, meaning "strong" or "monstrously significant".
@@EdisonMotors thanks for clearing that up. I never drove a semi and probably never will. But I have been following pretty much everything you have posted and I am rooting for you guys! Impressive work.
Great Interview, I like when you called Chace out and said it would be 50 million, to produce, too bad you didn’t ask about the generator attached to the back of the engine. The cameras kept looking at it and nothing was asked about it, important technical details that would have been interesting to talk about.
I have seen diesel rigs twist one corner up when pulling away from a stoplight when pulling a load. What is that driver going to do in an electric truck with truly monster torque? Also I love that they picked logging as their use case because they go uphill empty and come down loaded, regenerating on the way down.
I believe that chassis twist is from the torque of the engine working hard to turn the drive shaft. This truck has the electric motors in the axles themselves. I don’t think you’ll see that big chassis twist in these trucks.
Yes, their are examples of "no added energy required" systems when running loads from high level to low level. Because of the huge weight going down hill you have enough energy to bring an unloaded carrier back up the hill. This was done in the old days with quarries that were at elevation. They would chain link a looped rail system such that the descending fully loaded containers would pull up the empties ready for loading. No added power was needed as the potential energy of the mass from height was sufficient. This is like a heavy EV truck going downhill with regen and then the unloaded truck having acquired enough power for the entire journey back! For this to fully cover its losses in practice would be a challenge but with a consistent downgrade it may be possible in some exceptional locations.
They could perhaps split that axle in half L-R and manufacture the two halves to mate at the diff case, smaller assy to handle, but chance of lowering possible axle service costs. Sure, would need monster stiffening though.
The 2024 DAKAR winning Audi RS Q e-tron works on this same principle. It’s always electric drive and has a 2.0L engine coupled to a generator which recharges the battery pack when necessary for additional range. 👌
I assume that the strength of the parts that connect the load to the tractor have been beefed up accordingly? I don't remember hearing anything about that. I am sure that it was done. Very interesting.
Just because of all the common sense engineering (+ high tech data and power, quality of engines & equipment) Chase & the Edison team have put in, I think the shakedown period will be pretty smooth comparedwith the past year - you just need more test vehicles. With regen braking and all that smooth, instant power it's already safer than the entire existing fleet...and you dont have to grind gears on 18 speeds, or repair fuel injection problems, or knocking pistons, belts, pumps,radiators etc...
Sandy come over to Sweden and Go visit the scania factory and The demo center you and your team get to drive all new scanias trucks inclued the 770 hp v8 and the hybrids and eletric smei trucks!!! and tour the factory!
How can they run an engine with off-highway emissions in a licensed on-road truck? Are they only retrofitting old trucks where they have no issues meeting emissions?
they in Canada register Topsy as BEV (full eclectic) because only battery is used for driving. the generator is seen as accessory, in the same way if that would be on back of the truck as a load. So that is just STATIONARY generator, fact that is bolted to the truck did not change that. They even use red diesel (died for offroad used, because less tax), but I'm sure law will change that soon.
"I'm just the truck guy"...right...He knows every nut and bolt that went into that rig.
That means he’s just a truck guy of the old, or an old-time truck guy because I remember my grandfather telling me truck drivers used to know every nut bolt that went into the rig in the old days and how everything worked😊
He not only knows every nut and bolt but he knows why he used that nut or bolt instead of a different one. He went through piece by piece to make sure that his truck could be repaired in the middle of a desert at a diesel station with “common” replacement parts. Electric diesel hybrids that you can repair anywhere and on the cheap. He is not only providing a service but a value as well.
A real truck guy if something happens when you are on the job you don't just call for help and sit on your thumbs.
He is a TRUCK GUY who also happens to be a driver. He knows everything about this truck (he built it) and most everything about other trucks because he has operated (not just driven) many of those as well. A wonderful and uncommon combination. They should do well.
The most impressive thing I heard was that all Scania Tier 4 Final engines are able to meet emission standards without the need of a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).
In sure that's a dream for maintenance
Well, having to keep up with the European emission regulations, they're 10-15 years ahead to their strictly NA competition, plus the much higher price of fuel in Europe pushes manufacturers to make more efficient engines.
I'm glad Edison Motors trucks are going to have top-tier engines and Scania seems like an awesome business partner from what Chace has told us about them so far.
@@Daddo22 Excellent observations. I would be curious for any explanations why American manufacturers cannot meet regulations without exhaust treatment. Certainly cost is a major factor. Do we lack the political will for research? Are we playing short term checkers instead of long view chess? I've got to believe that our engineers are at least as smart as those in Sweden. Please enlighten me fellow readers.
@@stephenkramme7063 Although I'm no expert, I think the 2 biggest factors are regulations and good old-fashined capitalism both constantly pushing the companies to inovate. For regulations, there are not only the ones regarding emissions, but also drivers' work conditions like total times, breaks etc. that are much more restrictive than US ones and thus companies are willing to invest more into more powerful engines so that the drivers don't waste their time slowly climbing hills. For the capitalism part, there are higher fuel prices in combination with aforementioned shorter driver work times and widespread network of rail, which in combination create a very competitive environment.
On our ship we have a new jcb powered generator that meets European stage 5 without any after treatment. The overlap on the camshaft between exhaust and intake is so large the intake ports get clogged with soot when the engine isn’t running hot enough.
The engine is two years old, has 11,5k hours on it and it’s been cleaned twice. According to the mechanic we run it decently hot because ours was not bad at all.
We had a 100% electric concrete truck at work the other day. It was great, especially as its an underground construction site!
When Sandy Munroe endorses you, YOU"VE made it!
As an engine engineer at Scania, it makes me very happy that we have such a great service for our to be customers! I think he has made a great choice. The 5cyl is really a really good package.
Such service is something to be proud of.
Your Canadian operation seems like they are on the ball, and the product itself seems rock solid too. I’m hoping for a successful partnership with Edison!
Thanks for having Chace and Edison Motors on your channel. Edison is on the precipice of success in the market they are chasing. It is all about testing testing testing and roll out.
Edisons EV Pick up conversion kits are very interesting as well.
Cheers 🇨🇦
In another video, Edison Motors talked more about how important the engine noise factor is for construction trucks and other trucks that work in the city. Many residential areas only let heavy trucks operate or drive through the area during a limited period of the day. This means they can't do a full shift, when they run only on battery outside those limited hours greatly increasing the value of electric trucks for some companies.
Well, they are building hybrids. That means that at some time, the diesel has to be started to re-charge the battery. The builder talks about software and that would do most of the decision making about when to start or stop the ICE and at what power level and speed.
I've see a few of his videos. He "optimized" his early trucks for logging and in logging you often bring heavy loads down from a mountain and return empty up the mountain. That means that the truck re-gen is being pushed by a heave load down the hill and has only a little load coming back up. That the reduce the need for starting the ICE.
@@GilmerJohn " That means that at some time, the diesel has to be started to recharge the battery. " For plug-in hybrids, this is not true, it only means there is an option to use the diesel engine to charge the battery.
@@ryuuguu01 -- In practice, it will usually mean start the engine. It would take a 50 kW power source to really make much difference in charging the battery. In some places they might have much power for over night charging but these Edison trucks (even the pick up conversions) are serious power hogs.
@@GilmerJohn The hybrids are for areas where it isnt easy to charge. For working in a city there should be better options as a hybrid. Like changing the battery pack.
Exactly, just think of all the gravel trucks, concrete mixers, garbage trucks rolling around the city. Giving them electric get up and go will also help with traffic flow. Its a win win all around.
The most expensive and complicated thing in a truck is the transmission, going serial hybrid is such a good idea. I bet a 6 litre diesel is plenty big, nine is probably overkill. We are at the beginning of the most interesting time in the last 100 years of heavy duty drivetrains. Need to get these guys some capital to get things going.
I've been following Edison through YT shorts and I absolute love what they're doing; it makes me wish I didn't have a silly office job but worked with guys like these.
I hope and pray they succeed and prove to all other truck manufacturers that planned obsolescence is bs.
If they ever do crowd funding, like the company Aptera did, they will need an army of investors to put up a few thousand dollars each for share vouchers.
@@Nphen
It will never happen for these guys .. they really have no ambition . Or connections to get funded or into mass manufacturing..
😂😂
@@Gunter_Custom To just build that first total custom truck took a whole lot of ambition. They will do just fine. Like Sandy said, a vacuum will be filled.
@@johnarnold893and it took them ten years. They will never go any where..
There are a ton of diyers in North America who have converted vehicles to electric on their own ..
This is not as hard as they are making it
@@Gunter_Custom Electric is one thing Hybrid is another
do you even know what goes into having a tier4 rated engine running and running well
probably not
do you know what goes into programing the generator to run as a jakebrake when the battery is full
probably not
do you know what goes into tuning the regen so the axles don't break apart when breaking with 150.000lb loads
probably not
you talk a lot of smack for someone that doesn't know how to engineer a truck platform from the ground up
Wow! Great fun listening to a couple of guys who KNOW EXACTLY what they're talking about
Sandy - You are so important for an EV future!
Dreamer entrepreneurs are what the world needs more of. I love his passion.
I just watched their video hauling logs ... that's more than a great dream!
We need doers
Not just dreamers .
Dreamers don't get anything done ..
Like these guys.
Haven't finished one ... Will never sell one .. 😂
Congrats, having Sandy talk about this is huge...
The hybrid that actually makes sense.
We've had Diesel electric systems since the 30s, it has always blown my mind that all hybrids weren't built like this since the beginning
Look at all those diesel locomotives! Those have been the backbone of Indian Rail here for last 5-7 decades. It's just now in this last 10 years or so the govt. was finally able to cobble enough money to get electrification on track and we are steadily getting new electric traction loco's.
@@donjones4719 I'm skeptical about whether that is true or not.
Diesel electric systems burn less fuel, whether they are in a locomotive or marine application
OEMs didn't and still don't want to change and lose the "Investment" they have in ICE.
@@donjones4719 No, why not? because ICE engines have a sweet spot of rmps that are the most efficient that they mostly never get to stay in but generators do now with batteries or super capacitors as the buffer you dotn't need to rev the generator when you get an increased in load demand for more speed or more cargo.
@@donjones4719Edison Motors trucks do not draw power from engine and electric motor(s) together. The diesel engine is strictly used to run a generator and is not tied into the drive train.
Sandy, you're awesome. Please continue to help these guys out.
Sandy, it's really awesome to see your support for Chase and his efforts with Edison motors. I've been following Edison motors efforts and I think Chase and team have that perspective that big corporate just doesn't have which could make the difference in the market they are working for. I wish them the best.
trains have been doing this for years... makes so much sense.
Trains have been doing diesel-electric for years but not with a substantial battery such that most of the time running is without any engine.
THANKS SANDY ,CHASE AND THE MUNRO TEAM , for the update🤗🧐💚💚💚
Thanks for watching!
Lovely to see the 2 Canuck’s together.
Thank you, Sandy! ...love what these guys are doing up in Canada for all of us - thank you for giving of your time and energy to share and promote and your wisdom to help guide!
Sandy you rock! thanks for bringing knowledge to us and opportunities for companies like this one, the future looks bright.....Javi G.
Imagine not having to follow that semi up that impassable moutain road @ 20mph!
Hybrid diesels for our pickups, bring it on!
Topsy is working????? Let's get the good beer and donuts!!!
Yeah, our video on that should be coming out next week
@@EdisonMotorsEastbound and down, loading up and trucking
@@EdisonMotorsjust causally mentions she was loaded to a total of 150,000lbs
It was a righteous watch
4:11 Listening to the acceleration with 150,000lb of load, we'll need to add software that limits the road chew up that the high shear the roading will experience. This is slightly different to the vertical axel loading that heavy vehicles are categorized by.
So glad you went back 😮
Sandy: How much money do you need?
Chace: At least a couple million.
Understatement of the year. I love these guys and Chace was being a bit cheeky with his answer as he knows better, but they won't be able to wipe their nose with a couple million dollars. The slow and steady approach *is* the right way to do this, however.
I think it's taken them like 3mill to get this far, they're real careful with investors though don't want any big company that just wants roi in 3 years with a cheap junker truck
@@vincentgrinn2665time value of money too, they aren’t trying to do everything in parallel
He's got a log hauling company day job that he already uses refurbished old trucks in. Going slow with Edison means he can cash-flow the early RnD and pay for the refinement of the truck by being the first big customer. Outside investment just means he can go faster.
There's a huge efficiency gain to be had just from switching away from a traditional ring & pinion gear and not having a 90° turn in the driveline.
They need to call their high-performance truck the Skookum Choocher.
The Skookumchucker
That'd be true to their BC heritage. Skookum as Frig eh!
If you’ve never gone to visit the Skookumchuck Narrows, don’t do it in July unless you enjoy needing a blood transfusion for all the 🩸 you’ve lost to the skitters 😂
Also, they should have Chance and the truck on an episode of Shoresy, with his east coast accent and Canadian expressions he’d fit right in!
Well I think Sandy needs to follow up on this company more closely and get to drive one of the rigs ! Maybe go in a regular logging truck back to back with this one and see the difference!
Great interview Sandy !
Thank you for following my Brother from another mother through his journey. Chase is going places with Edison. As a Barber myself I know what we are capable of when we believe in ourselves. I have been following him since he started with Carl and he keeps on delivering where others fail.
Edison turned down venture capital because they wanted to make them change the quality of the product. Chase is not only building them right, he’s got integrity.
Be great to see Sandy taking it for drive.
This is awesome! Glad you got to meet up with Edison Motors again!
I vote to see Sandy rippin donuts in Topsy..
I really hope Sandy took him up on the offer to take his rig out for a ride!!?
Very impressive, thanks for the update Sandy.
The way I look at it if you can impress Sandy Monroe you're going places keep up the great work!
It's fantastic that this vehicle is coming from Canada! The danger for nascent companies like Edison is that through a lack of development funds this vehicle takes another 3-5 years before any significant production begins. Like the Tesla truck, commercial transport is just desperate for a new generation of vehicles like this Edison truck. Sandy, if Chace is open to it, you need to help him with your industry/investor connections! China is coming for companies like this!
Would like to see continued success for these guys.
Electric power makes so much sense for these heavy-duty short-haul trucks. Thanks for this update!
Love it when guys put themselves out there and have a go, would love to see them making a real success of it, go Edison
So Wise , Thank You . A fine Example of Canadian Innovation. I see several applications , Not for every thing.
This guy is an absolute Gem! Awesome
Couple of my favourite people. 😊
Marvelous opportunity on this Tech, a great application of EV-hybrid truck (local loads). OTR ( over the road) long distance is a BAD application of the tech (1000 mileor km /day) is not a good use, perhaps in distant future will) . Logging between forest and Mill or rail-head is Perfect use.
Wherever the load is at a much higher elevation than the destination (mining, logging) these electric haulers could probably eliminate the diesel engine by regenerating enough on the way down to power their way back up. I believe there is a mine that uses electric rock trucks that never need to recharge.
@@briansilver9652rail is the only way that will work. There too many inefficiencies when your on tires.
What makes you think it wont work for long haul. ??
@briansilver9652 if they were just going up and down the mountain maybe that would work. They usually have at least an hour round trip when they get off the logging road. That is where the diesel kicks in. It gives them that little boost in range so they don't need to add more batteries.
@@nathanmahler3743 I believe the Edison guy said that was possible in another interview. The fact that they're empty going uphill and massively loaded down hill may overcome inefficiencies .
when i see my diesel garbage truck accelerate and brake at each house on the street. can’t help to think how much pollution is going into air from emissions and brake dust.
we should be focusing on city trucks but everyone is still looking a highway trucks.
i’m sure the chinese have electric garbage trucks but my children and i have to wait for the local producers so we can breath fresh air.
Volvo FE electric :)
isn’t it made in china?
When i lived in a big city i kept think about the busses and trucks driving around so many people and all the brake dust
The are now EV fire trucks, garbage trucks, buses, taxis etc etc Ideal for working in the city.
Well Done! Wow the future is Canadian!!!
I’ve been following chase since before he (publicly) got into electric trucks. He just seems like a stand up guy, and a true Canadian!
Very excited to see where Edison Motors will go!
What an awesome story!!
I hope the BC government helps him instead of getting in the way. In the mid 1960s I had a summer job on the CP Princess Patricia, 5 boilers generating steam for 2 steam turbines powering two DC generators driving two massive DC motors generating a total of 15,000 horsepower.
A $50M loan or grant to get it ready for manufacturing seems like a great use of dollars compared to the LNG and Oil and gas subsidies which are both out of control and unsustainable...
@stickynorth those subsidies are mostly just tax write offs that any company can make. Then there are some grants handed out for researching and developing emissions reductions programs. In many cases that tech has ended up getting a return on investment since that tech ends up being sold. Also at least in Alberta the industrial carbon tax money funds that stuff. It's not general revenue. Edison could apply for a grant and they would most likely get money out of that program as well.
Sadly Edison did try to approach the BC Government for a grant, but due to some sketchy shit going on with the Grant Program basically requiring you use a SPESIFIC company to get your grant written up (for a fee of course). It lead to a controversy where the Government investigated itself and found it did nothing wrong. They have a video explaining it far better on their channel.
Such an awesome truck
Great stuff, looking forward to get ready with the pickup-truck drivetrain for retrofits!
2 of my favorite channels together. I was hoping Chase would talk about their pick-up conversion kits, they're also working on with Deboss Garage.
Looks like they drove the truck to the show this year looking at the state of it and we have to get Sandy driving it
Edison has a video out of them using it to haul logs
Every truck driver working for Pepsi who has driven the Tesla Semi has refused to return to a regular diesel truck.
I wondered about that. I've seen some of the PR stuff but have never seen the truck drivers in a candid interview. I wish I could hear them talk about it.
I want one of the Pickup conversions.
Hybrid is definitely the way right now !! Love the scania truck !!! Definitely, Nicola and Edison are companies to watch !!!
Also, I worked in Oilfield .Diesel electric AC or DC. I’m good to go with it. Also I switched over from the old compound Rriggs to electrical rig/pneumatic. My golden rule is Drilling rig or driving Rig. It’s the same thing. One turns forward and one turns to the right.
Hybrid trucks make so much more sense than pure battery electric (aside from local -
If Wayne built a truck in Letterkenney. Love these guys. Wish them all the best!
Everyone is rooting for Edison!
" Skookum " , now that is an adjective I haven't heard in a long time !
6:05 THANK YOU for mentioning when you let DeBoss Garage drive it. That clip has been rent free in my head the entire time this has been going on.
Also I love the shade thrown at Tesla with the little line on the bottom saying "The Tesla has only hauled 85,000lbs"
"Around here, it looks kind of like a lot of hills, mountains, and stuff."
I'd say! Most of British Columbia is sandwiched between the Coastal Mountain range and the Rocky Mountains.
Congratulations. These are needed and are realistic not the idiot government idea of electric only. Canadian BC government need to help get this done before it ends up leaving Canada.
I like these guys!
Seems like they're no BS and still naive (in a good way, they act in goodwill and are confused when others don't). They had their first big run in with government corruption recently when a consultancy was double dealing writing and ALSO approving government grants to EV businesses.
Sandy Munroe "just about shit my pants" what an endorsement for electric trucks
Truck of Theseus, this truck guy is well read.
2:30 That fleeting look of panic at the mention of $50 million
Woo hoo, Uncle Sandy in BC!
1:19 - what the hell is he saying... reliable, sturdy, skulcoom?
Yeah; I don't speak Canadian 😂
I think he is saying Skookum, a term invented and popularized by another youtuber from BC Canada: AVE
I had to Google the word also…
Skookum is a Chinook Jargon word that has historical use in the Pacific Northwest. It has a range of meanings, commonly associated with an English translation of strong or monstrous. The word can mean strong,[1] greatest, powerful, ultimate, or brave. Something can be skookum, meaning "strong" or "monstrously significant".
@@PierreVilleneuve88it’s actually a local First Nations word meaning “tough, large, strong and impressive”
@@EdisonMotors thanks for clearing that up. I never drove a semi and probably never will. But I have been following pretty much everything you have posted and I am rooting for you guys! Impressive work.
Great Interview, I like when you called Chace out and said it would be 50 million, to produce, too bad you didn’t ask about the generator attached to the back of the engine. The cameras kept looking at it and nothing was asked about it, important technical details that would have been interesting to talk about.
I have seen diesel rigs twist one corner up when pulling away from a stoplight when pulling a load. What is that driver going to do in an electric truck with truly monster torque?
Also I love that they picked logging as their use case because they go uphill empty and come down loaded, regenerating on the way down.
I believe that chassis twist is from the torque of the engine working hard to turn the drive shaft. This truck has the electric motors in the axles themselves. I don’t think you’ll see that big chassis twist in these trucks.
Take a look at their more recent log hauling video ... they cover that very point, and it's not an issue for their EV truck despite the huge torque.
Yes, their are examples of "no added energy required" systems when running loads from high level to low level. Because of the huge weight going down hill you have enough energy to bring an unloaded carrier back up the hill. This was done in the old days with quarries that were at elevation. They would chain link a looped rail system such that the descending fully loaded containers would pull up the empties ready for loading. No added power was needed as the potential energy of the mass from height was sufficient. This is like a heavy EV truck going downhill with regen and then the unloaded truck having acquired enough power for the entire journey back! For this to fully cover its losses in practice would be a challenge but with a consistent downgrade it may be possible in some exceptional locations.
Good luck with your endeavors.
Good luck guys
Would love to see you guys have some fun with Topsy like taking it to the fully loaded semi truck drag races!
Sandy opening doors for the industry
Canadian: we're gonna need a couple million fur shur. American: No, you're gonna need 50 million.
Sandy is Canadian.
@@derrickstableford8152 he doesn't live in Canada anymore
They could perhaps split that axle in half L-R and manufacture the two halves to mate at the diff case, smaller assy to handle, but chance of lowering possible axle service costs. Sure, would need monster stiffening though.
Skookum…it’s Canadian Pacific coast thing…
The 2024 DAKAR winning Audi RS Q e-tron works on this same principle. It’s always electric drive and has a 2.0L engine coupled to a generator which recharges the battery pack when necessary for additional range. 👌
I assume that the strength of the parts that connect the load to the tractor have been beefed up accordingly? I don't remember hearing anything about that. I am sure that it was done. Very interesting.
Just because of all the common sense engineering (+ high tech data and power, quality of engines & equipment) Chase & the Edison team have put in, I think the shakedown period will be pretty smooth comparedwith the past year - you just need more test vehicles. With regen braking and all that smooth, instant power it's already safer than the entire existing fleet...and you dont have to grind gears on 18 speeds, or repair fuel injection problems, or knocking pistons, belts, pumps,radiators etc...
Need to know what kind of voltages/amperage’s the electric axle uses?
Sandy for president 😁
A turn around time like that is the stuff people dream of…
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Looks at that..all the perseverance leads to a successful end..😂
That 75% comment just saved Edison YEARS of headache.
Like to SEE SANDY tear this down, do a couple of videos.
Notice the skookum factor from AvE.....
OHH YEAH DON'T YOU KNOW EH
Everyone in Canada should be running Scania engines!
No DPF on that Scania engine.....SOLD😂😂
Raise the $50 million.
First make 12 trucks per year.
Sandy come over to Sweden and Go visit the scania factory and The demo center you and your team get to drive all new scanias trucks inclued the 770 hp v8 and the hybrids and eletric smei trucks!!! and tour the factory!
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How can they run an engine with off-highway emissions in a licensed on-road truck? Are they only retrofitting old trucks where they have no issues meeting emissions?
they in Canada register Topsy as BEV (full eclectic) because only battery is used for driving. the generator is seen as accessory, in the same way if that would be on back of the truck as a load. So that is just STATIONARY generator, fact that is bolted to the truck did not change that. They even use red diesel (died for offroad used, because less tax), but I'm sure law will change that soon.
That's alot of diesel tank to show how promising electric is