couple of things i like right off the bat, i can see individually replaceable electrical components inside the modules, non reversible plugs for positive and negative-anytime you can do this its a huge win. serviceability is king especially for warranty purposes
@@EdisonMotorsChase, you are the eye candy of the operation :) Look man, I'm all for whatever you guys are doing. You may be the first person on earth to make the boys say "hell yeah , Ima go hibird!". I have been to Changsha years ago. Make sure you go to the largest restaurant of the east.
Geat series guys, and you showed a fair representation of Chinese manufacturing and business. Too bad so many indoctrinated country folk have to make such negative comments.. Keep on doing what you´re doing!!
I have been following Edison just since the end of the fundraiser at the beginning how I wish I would’ve discovered them two weeks sooner and invested myself with what I could, but still very excited to see where this company continues to go and hope to see their trucks up here in Alaska working
5:35 ...AMEN!! This type of thing is a huge deal for me. Yes It may increase the price a bit, but manufacturers that do this type of thing help themselves by building a legacy. The older units end up helping to sell new units by way of earned reputation.
I like the idea of the "Power Trailer" - very similar to the solar light trailer but only solar cells, lithium iron phosphate battery and a big inverter to provide AC power. I can use it on the Farm / Work site to provide power or in case my home service goes out from a storm.
This was a cool video. My buddy is on your pre-order list for a 1/2-ton kit. He's gonna save a 2nd gen with a blown motor from the junkyard with a 4BT power-plant so he can daily drive to work. Might put it in a rat-rod truck later too.
I do hope the cabling is not soy based, so that you don’t have rodents eating the cabling. I have had packrat problems where rodents have made nests inside our tractor and chewed up the wiring harness. Not only was it at pain to rewire, it is a spot that is almost impossible to block off so they don’t come back. So make sure the wiring is not tempting for rodents to eat and make sure all your boxes are sealed to prevent nesting. Don’t want a truck disabled because a rat wanted lunch.
I have no use for a truck or space to put one but if you're able to bring high quality LiFePO4 batteries into the US at a competitive price that'd be very compelling. Right now I'm looking at $250-300 per kWh for 48v batteries that feel trustworthy. Are you able to do similar pricing landed?
The issue with QR codes is where the information is stored. Typically it references hosted information which can fade over time. If the QR code has all the information needed encoded in it, then you are only dependent on the technology being built into a decoder. Still just a tag with the information on it is best.
I hope you make the batteries available directly on an online store because they could very well become a new gold standard for power toys like dirtbikes
The comment area of this blogger is full of sour chickens who jealous Chinese 😂In any case, China is willing to cooperate with those who respect and are friendly.
Great video. Looks like you had a great time. So many of the things you showed reminds me of my trip to China for a business trip with a friend. Amazing place. Amazing people. Welcoming. Bright. Clean. Massive construction. A forest of highrise cranes, building skyscrapers. Oozing with capitalism. Warm people, huge dinners. We had this dish of duck tongues with duck bills still attached. Reminded me of Daffy Duck when he gets is bill knocked off. Lots of sea creatures with eyes that looked at you. A year later a call was received from a customer about a problem with one of the machines our company makes. A problem that had never been seen before. Turns out it was not our machine. Looked like ours, but it was an EXACT copy, built to sub par standards out of poor materials. I loved China. I don't know if you all have any big trade secrets, just be aware. All the people you connected with are likely honest, wonderful people, but they are not the ones who are incharge. Our friend who led us around was called June, a wonderful lady. She was so sad when she found out our stuff had been reversed engineered. The language barrier is real. You may swear you have hammered out ALL the details, but don't be surprised if there are communication issues. By sactually going there you will avoid many pitfalls. Can't wait for more videos on Topsey testing, and pickup progress with Deboss. You'all are my heroes. A bunch of dudes building stuff.
They would win. And the Chinese wanna see north American business succed they probably help them. But no. Watch inside china business. He is american patriot. Listen to him. ❤
Wild how much capabilities China has. We have industrial parks ,they have industrial cities with so much inter-workings. Was awesome to see your journey
Easy when the government is paying half 😂 And a lot of that is tofu dreg. There are industrial explosions _very_ often too, but it's illegal to talk about them even within China, let alone abroad. A full city block exploded from natural gas or something like that last week and there's only 1 or 2 videos, because the government minders scrub the internet for things like that
CCP still an enemy. Every mill and factory in my home city is there now. These videos hurt. Government wont let us have industry here. There they have no EPA, no OSHA, no time-and-a-half, no unions.
@@workingcountry1776don’t blame China. Blame the greedy corporations that moved the jobs to increase short term shareholder profit. Our corporations have completely sold us out until nothing is left, we can’t even buy North American parts anymore. We’ve looked
I'm not sure how much cost this would add (or how feasible it is from an electronics/safety standpoint), but it would be neat to have an extra high voltage connection integrated in the charging harness from the factory. This would make it easier for customers or you guys to add a NACS (or even MCS connector whenever those chargers start rolling out) connector to the truck or add an additional CCS charge port to another location on the truck to make it accessible to a wider array of chargers, like the Audi etrons.
All these comments knocking Edison for working with Chinese manufacturing, yes it can be of dubious quality, but it can also be good quality, knowing how to get the good stuff is the key to finding Chinese suppliers. Honestly what other option do they have ? Even if they worked with some North American company to manufacture battery packs, controllers, and computers, where do you think that company will go to get the parts ? The electronics supply and manufacturing chain in NA is honestly embarrassing, and its not economically viable. Never mind the fact that the our government turned its back on Edison Motors, while swindling money for their own gains as they always do. There's a reason why Edison is the first OEM in Canada since the 80's.
@@ResourceRentals I can pretty certainly say there is no IP that Edison Motor's has that they don't already have. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking Chace or Edison, the idea of bringing to market a hybrid semi truck is a no brainer and a way to move North American industry into the modern age, however what they are doing is essentially a giant Arduino / Lego technics set, they are taking off the shelf parts and fitting them to a standard truck. There's no real IP behind that, no custom designed modules, no custom software, which, if you remember is their goal, they want easy to manufacture, easy to repair trucks, call up the parts store and grab an off the shelf part without the hassle and for the love of god, I hope they take a page out of John Deere's book and use it as what not to fucking do. Spinning up manufacturing on a custom controllers, custom charger, e-axles, etc, all application specific is extremely expensive, we all know they don't have that kind of working capital even going to China it costs 100's of millions at the scale needed its not worth the cost when existing solutions already exist, why re invent the wheel. I seriously doubt any Chinese manufacturer would have any success bringing to N/A market a retrofit kit in competition to Edison.
@@DemetryRomanowski thanks for the input. I wish them the best!!! I’ve been saying this needs to be done (like diesel electric trains) for years, but I’m not a doer, I’m glad Chase is on it!
Every single negative comment was written on a reliable piece of technology manufactured and at least partially designed in China, using Chinese components.
A little note on QR codes: How can you ensure the documentation stays accessible years from now? Most QR codes are technically pointers to websites. However, with very large sizes and some error correction, the current largest QR codes can store decently large text files
You can get what you ask for in China. If you ask for the cheapest possible price, you get that cheap crap that'll only last a year. But you can also ask for specific measures of quality if you're willing to pay extra. If you ask for automated and double manual quality control of every unit shipped they can find a price for that as well. I know you guys are not programmers, and the battery manufacturers are supposed to know what is best for their batteries. So it makes sense to buy the software with the batteries. But you mention a paradox within software... you can get super simple and stable software that will never fail, because it's easy to do unit tests on, but that won't be user-friendly. Once you ask for user friendly the software behind becomes complex and the risk of bugs goes up. You can't have both, so take care what you ask for in that regard. I'd ask for the control and safety software to be separate from the user interface software, they can both be delivered by the same supplier of course, but it'll force them to keep the two code bases separate.. And if you ask them to document how those two interact, it'll be possible to swap one or another part in the future, even if the company goes bankrupt or changes their platform entirely.
Mandating highly detailed documentation of the code should be an absolute just so it can be passed on to a different supplier or needs a major update to a different platform as you said.
@@Redbloodroadrunner it is sad, and it will take some major efforts from both government and corporate to catch up. China has the mining and supply chain in check when it comes to rare earth minerals. And the way their manufacturing is put together is also mentioned in the video. It works much more like open source, most manufacturers specialise in one thing and source each other for the stuff they can't do themselves. They are not particularly afraid of competitors copying their products, they'll just steal back any innovation the competition comes up with. Western companies try to keep a lot of business secrets, in China it's the opposite. They compete on price, capacity and quality, not so much on innovation.
Im more interested in the e-axels chosen for these kits or if they are going to allow people to pick different option axels that allow for more/less and for the different size trucks (f250 vs f650). I always figured the battery options would be just a fluctuating price point and if you have room for your build.
The lowest energy density of all the Lithium types. Nobody uses that for EV. Think of an ordinary EV getting 300 miles on NMC or LiFePO4, you would probably get 100 to 150 miles of range on LTO.
I remember an interview Bobby Llewellyn of Fully Charged did with Jim Farley a while ago. Farley talked about the problems that Legacy OEMs like Ford have with software. 12:55 Historically OEMs would buy (for example), Central Locking systems from one supplier, Electric Windows from another, Air-Con from a 3rd Etc.Etc. and they ALL had their OWN Propriatory Software to run their own systems. Getting them all to play nicely together was a nightmare. With EVs and the Software needed to control the electric side of things, that got many times worse (just look at VW's problems a while age). Tesla, being a Computer Manufacturer that happens to make Cars and Trucks, have their own answers to making Software work. So Tesla can have one computer to run 10 systems, where Ford or BMW would have to have 10 Computers that all tend to swear at each other from time to time. Having all your eggs in one basket may have it's risks, but "Keep Things Simple" is good advise for a reason!
Typically they have they ONLY have manufacturing done and have their own software to run ALL systems, NOT have a company like this do it all. For what they need however, They don't need all those other modules as ALL those fancy systems aren't needed here. Lane assist, self driving, all the nonsense info and radio features are basically useless in their industry.
On the batteries, for people to be able to pick them up at the installer dealerships might be something to think about in the future for home solar usage. If you could offer the cells for the diyers should be a nice market. Getting cells from China for a person can be a crapshoot.
i’m pretty sure it’s two 400 V systems in parallel, for 800v operating but don’t quote me. Unless you’re talking about like the headlights and low voltage system, which will probably be whichever has more part commonality with the industry.
We are sooo behind on things when we could be way ahead it’s embarrassing. But I think it has a lot to do with discipline and moral ethics. Thank you for the 15 minute video. Don’t make them so long please
A very significant cause is that researchers couldn't get funding from corporate America while China gave them funds and resources just on the possibility their work would pan out and ones that failed where not punished for not succeeding in their efforts.
I feel like people in the US and Canada expect chinese manufacturing to look like those Pakistani Truck videos and not the efficent modern system it really is. Yes there is cheap junk made in China, but they do have the ability to match anyone else in the world for quality if you arent just shopping bottom dollar options
Tesla uses prismatic cells for their LFP packs. Also, no translator? Feel like that would help a lot not only for language barriers but also for cultural barriers. Especially going that far inland.
Who do you think that woman was? THAT and they use translating technology IF the people presenting to them don't know english themselves. With the amount of English language customers, They may have English speaking teams! (I mean did you not notice it say 'POLICE' on the Police station or the English translated on all the signs? Do you think that is some trick camera software that automatically scripts?)
😂they actually do. They use LiFePo4. They have 3 different battery chemistry and their lithium iron phosphate is the most stable. Temperature and duty cycle. More charging cycles. But the heaviest.
@@maxiest200508 Lithium IRON Phosphate is almost the opposite to Lithium POLYMER. They are vastly different chemistry type with different characteristics. Tesla has never used Lithium POLYMER but they source a massive amount of LiFePO4.
where did they say Tesla uses LiPo? They said they don't have to use LiPo because they are Hybrid, That said does Canada not allow EV manufactures IN Canada to use LiFePo4?
@@commonsenseisdeadandgone just do a quick google search on this topic and come back. I dont want to post any links here. But if am wrong am wrong. In fact they started using that battery chemistry because it's more stable. It is heavier though so they started to change the suspension of model 3 to support new weight. I wish I was making this up.
Hey Edison Motors I have a question about making a diesel electric boat because I'm interested in circumnavigating the globe but I don't want to do it on a sailboat play also don't want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in fuel so I figured to do something like same technology that your trucks use and I was wondering if in the future I could email you all with some questions about best ways to go about it
There are diesel-battery-electric tugboats currently in use. Most electric drive boats work this way, but with the battery the diesel generators can be smaller and more efficient. With a boat having a large source of emergency power in the batteries would be a bonus.
There’s a lot of setups like this already, check out Electric Marine Propulsion, Elco Motor Yachts for motors, and Polar Power for generators. Frankly I don’t see it as feasible without sail though. You would need thousands of liters of fuel on board. I would go with a junk-rigged yacht personally for a circumnavigation. In fact, I think the first solo circumnavigation was done in a junk rig.
You're not going with NACS? I understand that CCs is very common right now but you're not building trucks right now. Your building trucks for the future. So instead of needing an adapter for the first year or two, you'll need an adapter indefinitely
CCS is the world standard for the connection so makes sense using it instead of CN, US or JP versions. (with those 3 probably also having a good share of CCS too)
Does that mean you’re designing the wiring to be multiplexed for NCAS, with temporary AC to DC switching at the plug? It’s cheap to swap a plug, but why spend the money to manufacture, ship, and install extra wiring?
@@miragept CCS2 is European, CCS1 is North America, which is switching to NACS. China uses a different standard (GBT, I think), and Japanese likes ChaDaMo.
Then you should know what polymer refers to, and that LiPo as a type of chemistry doesn’t mean that it’s the only one allowed to use a polymer in cell construction. LiFePo4 (LFP) batteries (they aren’t using lithium ion) can incorporate polymer electrolytes too. Even if he misspoke, who cares? Why was your first instinct to “correct” instead of verify?
ALL lithium batteries ARE Lithium-Ion batteries and LiFePo4 IS NOT only cylindrical nor is it the only chemistry in cylindrical cells. And if you have built multiple solar banks it is scary you didn't even know basics such as that! Drones DO use LiPo because it has the greatest discharge ratings for such spikes like the multiple motors can suddenly draw during flight and maneuvers, They just are NOT the safest in EV applications as the others. LifePo4 is the most forgiven and the most commonly found. LTO I believe is used in hybrid systems on buses in China and many hybrid/ev in the US use NMC if not LiFePo4. All 18650,20700 and other batteries with such nomenclature are LiFePo4 cylindrical cells .. There is your 4. (There are others but not widely used)
A Mini version of that is the Textron RIPSAW M5 RCV. It just has a 6.6L V8 Duramax as a generator and two 900hp electric motors one for each track. It even just has a J1772 charger port.
Economy class or Second class is pretty good. Business class is only if you need a private cabin for yourself. The whole train would only have about 6 business class seats.
Lithium polymer is for toys. NMC and NCA are lithium chemistries for high performance. Tesla uses NCA predominantly in North America. LiFePO4 is for economy, stability and high cycle life.
Tesla literally used 18650 cells... THAT is LiFePo4. NCA is used in the PLAID versions. IF they now use them in other 'trims' now I do not know. LiPo is also used in our phones.
With how big your batteries are 150kw won’t be “fast charging”. 250kw is hardly fast enough on my model y. Aim for 350kw, that’s what the modern CCS chargers can put out. Or just run the genny lol
CCS dc fast charging is rather problematic and not very reliable in North America. Tesla is fitting some of their super charger stations to work with EVs that use CCS.
Shame you went with the CCS port and 150KW is really low for a that large of a truck. Especially with tesla coming out with their V4 charging stations which they will be around 1MW
CCS is what's used outside of the US so there is constant development into that, too. And it has been around for a long time. I suspect it was just easier going with that as the NACS (Tesla plug but based on CCS) is pretty new and focused on cars. Also there is the European heavy truck charging standard MCS (based on CCS) coming online with up to 3.75 MW. Which is what will make electric trucking more viable as batteries keep getting better. It's not like a heavy truck with trailer can easily pull up to a Tesla supercharger or other car chargers anyways. There needs to be dedicated infrastructure for that.
If you are talking about sodium based batteries, those are good for stationary uses (like grid storage). They have less energy density than LiFePO4 batteries.
It would be several years before commercial Sodium battery came out if the research is a success next years. Get a design is one thing but building then sourcing parts to build that design are another thing. It would be at least a decade to make any dent in Lith battery dominant.
That's been the mantra of the fossil fuel industry for the last 3 decades. "Next year, the new wonder technology will be there, so buying an EV now is a folly; buy an ICE car if you need a new car now."
What’s amusing is the notion that China, a country hosting millions of business travelers daily, would single out a small startup from Merritt for special treatment. Unlike North Korea, whose trope of the rare western visitor seeing fake supermarkets and factories on a gilded tour you seem to be referencing, China is a major global hub for industry and commerce, focused on facilitating business, not orchestrating elaborate facades for visitors.
The CCP Would like to have you complete a questionnaire. First question: How can we be less cringe for you? Would you take cash money for positive reviews and support?
Maybe you think the Chinese are horrible abusive people, or at least their government is, and I don't disagree, but at the end of the day you simply may need to do business with China, and you got to act nicely so they will do business with you. And you are right you are being put at risk of only abusive deals being offered in the future, but it is your best option. Perfection is the enemy of progress.
We are sooo behind on things when we could be way ahead it’s embarrassing. But I think it has a lot to do with discipline and moral ethics. Thank you for the 15 minute video. Don’t make them so long please
couple of things i like right off the bat, i can see individually replaceable electrical components inside the modules, non reversible plugs for positive and negative-anytime you can do this its a huge win. serviceability is king especially for warranty purposes
很有趣的视频，非常高兴你们到过我的家乡城市长沙。 长沙可能在加拿大不是很有名， 但这是一个很有活力的城市。 本地政府试图把这里建成世界锂电池钠电池之都，也吸引了很多电池有关的产业链企业入驻，包括比亚迪。 受限于地理位置和国内各城市的激烈竞争，长沙可能难以成为金字塔尖，但是还不错啦。 欢迎你们再来长沙！
I feel like edison motors has a strict uniform policy, must wear jeans and a plaid button up to work here
It's carefully curated to attract the "good old boys".
@@urbanturbineyes, my 35 years of wearing plaid has been carefully curated
@@EdisonMotors Been buying most of your wardrobe from work wear stores since middle school I bet. Brainwashed by Big Plaid.
Small plaid is where they get you.
@@EdisonMotorsChase, you are the eye candy of the operation :) Look man, I'm all for whatever you guys are doing. You may be the first person on earth to make the boys say "hell yeah , Ima go hibird!". I have been to Changsha years ago. Make sure you go to the largest restaurant of the east.
Geat series guys, and you showed a fair representation of Chinese manufacturing and business. Too bad so many indoctrinated country folk have to make such negative comments.. Keep on doing what you´re doing!!
Wow, it's nice to see someone trying to make something the right way, instead of slapping something together to make a buck.
I have been following Edison just since the end of the fundraiser at the beginning how I wish I would’ve discovered them two weeks sooner and invested myself with what I could, but still very excited to see where this company continues to go and hope to see their trucks up here in Alaska working
Thanks for your visit and show our company.
Interested to see the E-axle manufacturer next.
5:35 ...AMEN!! This type of thing is a huge deal for me. Yes It may increase the price a bit, but manufacturers that do this type of thing help themselves by building a legacy. The older units end up helping to sell new units by way of earned reputation.
Tickled to hear the idea of you guys being a supplier of known quality LifePO4 cells.
I like the idea of the "Power Trailer" - very similar to the solar light trailer but only solar cells, lithium iron phosphate battery and a big inverter to provide AC power. I can use it on the Farm / Work site to provide power or in case my home service goes out from a storm.
Been watching the Sodium Ion battery progress. Very encouraging!
Good for stationary storage. They have less energy density than LiFePO4 batteries.
This was a cool video. My buddy is on your pre-order list for a 1/2-ton kit. He's gonna save a 2nd gen with a blown motor from the junkyard with a 4BT power-plant so he can daily drive to work. Might put it in a rat-rod truck later too.
I do hope the cabling is not soy based, so that you don’t have rodents eating the cabling. I have had packrat problems where rodents have made nests inside our tractor and chewed up the wiring harness. Not only was it at pain to rewire, it is a spot that is almost impossible to block off so they don’t come back. So make sure the wiring is not tempting for rodents to eat and make sure all your boxes are sealed to prevent nesting. Don’t want a truck disabled because a rat wanted lunch.
Have you tried a sonic deterrent , that’s rechargeable.
A rodent-repellent wrap is the best bet. A physical barrier that also reduces chafing issues.
There is tape with capsaicin in it that deters rodents. I believe honda had it
Why dont we just use vinyl like the olds days fellas.
@@andrewthomsonwe should be. The small upfront enviro cost pays for itself by having a longer lifespan and not needing replaced.
The heart of any Ev is the battery system…. Awesome video guys !!!
Enjoyed this series very much, really looking forward to seeing Edison grow!
Thanks!
It’s crazy to see greed, hinder America’s growth when you see what other countries are doing and realize we’re in the Stone Age
I have no use for a truck or space to put one but if you're able to bring high quality LiFePO4 batteries into the US at a competitive price that'd be very compelling. Right now I'm looking at $250-300 per kWh for 48v batteries that feel trustworthy. Are you able to do similar pricing landed?
I think there are brand new tarrifs on Chinese batteries at 25% up from 7%. $250-300 sounds right for retail, they will be getting a bulk discount
The issue with QR codes is where the information is stored. Typically it references hosted information which can fade over time. If the QR code has all the information needed encoded in it, then you are only dependent on the technology being built into a decoder. Still just a tag with the information on it is best.
agreed. and good point
Awesome to be a very small part of your journey
I hope you make the batteries available directly on an online store because they could very well become a new gold standard for power toys like dirtbikes
The comment area of this blogger is full of sour chickens who jealous Chinese 😂In any case, China is willing to cooperate with those who respect and are friendly.
AWESOME! THANKS FOR VIDEO!
Shermanator hybrid . . . ! ! HELL YEAH ! ! 😊
Great video. Looks like you had a great time. So many of the things you showed reminds me of my trip to China for a business trip with a friend. Amazing place. Amazing people. Welcoming. Bright. Clean. Massive construction. A forest of highrise cranes, building skyscrapers. Oozing with capitalism. Warm people, huge dinners. We had this dish of duck tongues with duck bills still attached. Reminded me of Daffy Duck when he gets is bill knocked off. Lots of sea creatures with eyes that looked at you.
A year later a call was received from a customer about a problem with one of the machines our company makes. A problem that had never been seen before. Turns out it was not our machine. Looked like ours, but it was an EXACT copy, built to sub par standards out of poor materials. I loved China. I don't know if you all have any big trade secrets, just be aware.
All the people you connected with are likely honest, wonderful people, but they are not the ones who are incharge. Our friend who led us around was called June, a wonderful lady. She was so sad when she found out our stuff had been reversed engineered.
The language barrier is real. You may swear you have hammered out ALL the details, but don't be surprised if there are communication issues. By sactually going there you will avoid many pitfalls.
Can't wait for more videos on Topsey testing, and pickup progress with Deboss.
You'all are my heroes. A bunch of dudes building stuff.
How long ago was this?
Great new introduit and great video as usual
This supplier looks a bit smaller than mainstream suppliers in China, but it may be a good match for the stage of your company.
没什么不好的。 与比亚迪这样的巨型企业合作的门槛会很高，选择发展中的小公司，可以更好的合作一起成长。
这家公司只是制作电池包的，不生产电芯，我看他那个电芯的箱子上有EVE的logo，来自亿纬锂能
imagine the co-operation without geopolitics
They would win. And the Chinese wanna see north American business succed they probably help them. But no. Watch inside china business. He is american patriot. Listen to him. ❤
Doesn't make sense for a small start up, IF even feasible at all. Not every new company is a product of a billionaires boredom!
Wild how much capabilities China has. We have industrial parks ,they have industrial cities with so much inter-workings. Was awesome to see your journey
Easy when the government is paying half 😂
And a lot of that is tofu dreg. There are industrial explosions _very_ often too, but it's illegal to talk about them even within China, let alone abroad. A full city block exploded from natural gas or something like that last week and there's only 1 or 2 videos, because the government minders scrub the internet for things like that
CCP still an enemy. Every mill and factory in my home city is there now. These videos hurt. Government wont let us have industry here. There they have no EPA, no OSHA, no time-and-a-half, no unions.
@@workingcountry1776don’t blame China. Blame the greedy corporations that moved the jobs to increase short term shareholder profit.
Our corporations have completely sold us out until nothing is left, we can’t even buy North American parts anymore. We’ve looked
@@seldoon_nemar Serious question: Does it physically hurt being as stupid as you are?
@@workingcountry1776 The West had its time in the sun. It's over now, deal with it.
I'm not sure how much cost this would add (or how feasible it is from an electronics/safety standpoint), but it would be neat to have an extra high voltage connection integrated in the charging harness from the factory. This would make it easier for customers or you guys to add a NACS (or even MCS connector whenever those chargers start rolling out) connector to the truck or add an additional CCS charge port to another location on the truck to make it accessible to a wider array of chargers, like the Audi etrons.
All these comments knocking Edison for working with Chinese manufacturing, yes it can be of dubious quality, but it can also be good quality, knowing how to get the good stuff is the key to finding Chinese suppliers. Honestly what other option do they have ? Even if they worked with some North American company to manufacture battery packs, controllers, and computers, where do you think that company will go to get the parts ? The electronics supply and manufacturing chain in NA is honestly embarrassing, and its not economically viable. Never mind the fact that the our government turned its back on Edison Motors, while swindling money for their own gains as they always do. There's a reason why Edison is the first OEM in Canada since the 80's.
DEFINITELY go with india as you WILL ABSOLUTELY WIN!
These suppliers will “borrow” Edison’s ideas and be importing their kit for cheaper… I could be wrong, but I’ll wait I bit to see if I’m right.
@@ResourceRentals I can pretty certainly say there is no IP that Edison Motor's has that they don't already have. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking Chace or Edison, the idea of bringing to market a hybrid semi truck is a no brainer and a way to move North American industry into the modern age, however what they are doing is essentially a giant Arduino / Lego technics set, they are taking off the shelf parts and fitting them to a standard truck.
There's no real IP behind that, no custom designed modules, no custom software, which, if you remember is their goal, they want easy to manufacture, easy to repair trucks, call up the parts store and grab an off the shelf part without the hassle and for the love of god, I hope they take a page out of John Deere's book and use it as what not to fucking do.
Spinning up manufacturing on a custom controllers, custom charger, e-axles, etc, all application specific is extremely expensive, we all know they don't have that kind of working capital even going to China it costs 100's of millions at the scale needed its not worth the cost when existing solutions already exist, why re invent the wheel.
I seriously doubt any Chinese manufacturer would have any success bringing to N/A market a retrofit kit in competition to Edison.
@@DemetryRomanowski thanks for the input. I wish them the best!!! I’ve been saying this needs to be done (like diesel electric trains) for years, but I’m not a doer, I’m glad Chase is on it!
Every single negative comment was written on a reliable piece of technology manufactured and at least partially designed in China, using Chinese components.
A little note on QR codes:
How can you ensure the documentation stays accessible years from now? Most QR codes are technically pointers to websites.
However, with very large sizes and some error correction, the current largest QR codes can store decently large text files
Clever to work with Chinese. advanced, honest, efficiency and affordable.
great content
Interesting , Thank You . as Always I hope every thing works
You can get what you ask for in China.
If you ask for the cheapest possible price, you get that cheap crap that'll only last a year.
But you can also ask for specific measures of quality if you're willing to pay extra. If you ask for automated and double manual quality control of every unit shipped they can find a price for that as well.
I know you guys are not programmers, and the battery manufacturers are supposed to know what is best for their batteries. So it makes sense to buy the software with the batteries.
But you mention a paradox within software... you can get super simple and stable software that will never fail, because it's easy to do unit tests on, but that won't be user-friendly. Once you ask for user friendly the software behind becomes complex and the risk of bugs goes up. You can't have both, so take care what you ask for in that regard.
I'd ask for the control and safety software to be separate from the user interface software, they can both be delivered by the same supplier of course, but it'll force them to keep the two code bases separate..
And if you ask them to document how those two interact, it'll be possible to swap one or another part in the future, even if the company goes bankrupt or changes their platform entirely.
Mandating highly detailed documentation of the code should be an absolute just so it can be passed on to a different supplier or needs a major update to a different platform as you said.
It’s sad they have to go to china for affordable well built electric products….
@@Redbloodroadrunner It's shame and worse still our leadership refuses to seriously do anything to bring back production capacity.
@@Hybris51129 right, I’m not faulting china, they are just taking advantage of how poorly our government is run.
@@Redbloodroadrunner it is sad, and it will take some major efforts from both government and corporate to catch up.
China has the mining and supply chain in check when it comes to rare earth minerals.
And the way their manufacturing is put together is also mentioned in the video. It works much more like open source, most manufacturers specialise in one thing and source each other for the stuff they can't do themselves. They are not particularly afraid of competitors copying their products, they'll just steal back any innovation the competition comes up with.
Western companies try to keep a lot of business secrets, in China it's the opposite. They compete on price, capacity and quality, not so much on innovation.
Tank battery looks l it would be perfectly at home in a farm tractor. ;-)
Does that count as a hint or should I try a sledgehammer? 😅
Brilliant boilerplate legacy mfr ID for the 21st century!!
Love to follow your trip!
Edison as a supplier seems wise.
Im more interested in the e-axels chosen for these kits or if they are going to allow people to pick different option axels that allow for more/less and for the different size trucks (f250 vs f650). I always figured the battery options would be just a fluctuating price point and if you have room for your build.
That’s coming up in one of the next video’s
@@EdisonMotors awesome. Thank you. Looking forward to this coming out. I have my pre-order in.
China is the future! Glad to see these young men get it.
Was that an Intolerable Cruelty reference? "I just love trains! I love trains!"
Any chance of LTO cells in the near future? Cold weather performance and very high discharge rate means smaller pack for some hybrids.
The lowest energy density of all the Lithium types. Nobody uses that for EV. Think of an ordinary EV getting 300 miles on NMC or LiFePO4, you would probably get 100 to 150 miles of range on LTO.
12:06 I like how they are like nah, no need to translate 二合一, nobody will notice it anyway. (It translates to "2 in 1", maybe a multiplexer? no idea)
I love prismatic battery
Wouldn't it be better to have both J1772 and J3400 connectors side by side in the charger port(s)?
Love it..."How cud you not pet dat Dog" LoL
I remember an interview Bobby Llewellyn of Fully Charged did with Jim Farley a while ago. Farley talked about the problems that Legacy OEMs like Ford have with software. 12:55
Historically OEMs would buy (for example), Central Locking systems from one supplier, Electric Windows from another, Air-Con from a 3rd Etc.Etc. and they ALL had their OWN Propriatory Software to run their own systems. Getting them all to play nicely together was a nightmare. With EVs and the Software needed to control the electric side of things, that got many times worse (just look at VW's problems a while age). Tesla, being a Computer Manufacturer that happens to make Cars and Trucks, have their own answers to making Software work. So Tesla can have one computer to run 10 systems, where Ford or BMW would have to have 10 Computers that all tend to swear at each other from time to time. Having all your eggs in one basket may have it's risks, but "Keep Things Simple" is good advise for a reason!
Typically they have they ONLY have manufacturing done and have their own software to run ALL systems, NOT have a company like this do it all. For what they need however, They don't need all those other modules as ALL those fancy systems aren't needed here. Lane assist, self driving, all the nonsense info and radio features are basically useless in their industry.
On the batteries, for people to be able to pick them up at the installer dealerships might be something to think about in the future for home solar usage. If you could offer the cells for the diyers should be a nice market. Getting cells from China for a person can be a crapshoot.
05 Chev truck sure could use your love just saying Way Cool .
It's running and the trans has been rebuilt as in the last video
very cool, I would love to convert my 1986 Toyota pickup 4x4 22r to electric with a small generator
Is the system going to be 48 volt or 24 volt ?????
i’m pretty sure it’s two 400 V systems in parallel, for 800v operating but don’t quote me. Unless you’re talking about like the headlights and low voltage system, which will probably be whichever has more part commonality with the industry.
We are sooo behind on things when we could be way ahead it’s embarrassing. But I think it has a lot to do with discipline and moral ethics.
Thank you for the 15 minute video. Don’t make them so long please
A very significant cause is that researchers couldn't get funding from corporate America while China gave them funds and resources just on the possibility their work would pan out and ones that failed where not punished for not succeeding in their efforts.
Will the charging support V2L (vehicle to load) tech?
I feel like people in the US and Canada expect chinese manufacturing to look like those Pakistani Truck videos and not the efficent modern system it really is.
Yes there is cheap junk made in China, but they do have the ability to match anyone else in the world for quality if you arent just shopping bottom dollar options
Looks like Chase has been lifting 🤔💪😂
Tesla uses prismatic cells for their LFP packs.
Also, no translator? Feel like that would help a lot not only for language barriers but also for cultural barriers. Especially going that far inland.
Translators, often supplied by government agencies, generally are 'minders', and stay out of sight of cameras.
Who do you think that woman was? THAT and they use translating technology IF the people presenting to them don't know english themselves. With the amount of English language customers, They may have English speaking teams! (I mean did you not notice it say 'POLICE' on the Police station or the English translated on all the signs? Do you think that is some trick camera software that automatically scripts?)
And how are the batteries cooled?
They are liquid cooled, like any other EV's battery pack (except the Nissan Leaf). You would know this if you actually watched their videos.
@@charlesball6519 some are AIR cooled and this is a Hybrid! You would know this if you actually paid attention when you watch!
He doesn't know how to use the three seashells! 10:46
Re Edison Batteries for sale - Are we talking 48V? And how much capacity (either Amp-Hours or Watt-Hours)?
Most automakers use 270
@@sfshilo My leaf has a nominal voltage of around 400V. Some newer EVs are 800V.
@@economicprisoner Hyundai and GM's Ultima are 800V nominal. Everyone else is 400V.
Last comment was Tarifs
Tesla does not use LiPo cells. Never has. I'm no fan of Tesla but i am going to call out mistakes like that.
😂they actually do. They use LiFePo4. They have 3 different battery chemistry and their lithium iron phosphate is the most stable. Temperature and duty cycle. More charging cycles. But the heaviest.
@@maxiest200508 Lithium IRON Phosphate is almost the opposite to Lithium POLYMER. They are vastly different chemistry type with different characteristics. Tesla has never used Lithium POLYMER but they source a massive amount of LiFePO4.
where did they say Tesla uses LiPo? They said they don't have to use LiPo because they are Hybrid, That said does Canada not allow EV manufactures IN Canada to use LiFePo4?
@@maxiest200508 You laugh BUT you are wrong....
@@commonsenseisdeadandgone just do a quick google search on this topic and come back. I dont want to post any links here. But if am wrong am wrong. In fact they started using that battery chemistry because it's more stable. It is heavier though so they started to change the suspension of model 3 to support new weight. I wish I was making this up.
Hey Edison Motors I have a question about making a diesel electric boat because I'm interested in circumnavigating the globe but I don't want to do it on a sailboat play also don't want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in fuel so I figured to do something like same technology that your trucks use and I was wondering if in the future I could email you all with some questions about best ways to go about it
There are diesel-battery-electric tugboats currently in use. Most electric drive boats work this way, but with the battery the diesel generators can be smaller and more efficient. With a boat having a large source of emergency power in the batteries would be a bonus.
There’s a lot of setups like this already, check out Electric Marine Propulsion, Elco Motor Yachts for motors, and Polar Power for generators.
Frankly I don’t see it as feasible without sail though. You would need thousands of liters of fuel on board. I would go with a junk-rigged yacht personally for a circumnavigation. In fact, I think the first solo circumnavigation was done in a junk rig.
You're not going with NACS? I understand that CCs is very common right now but you're not building trucks right now. Your building trucks for the future. So instead of needing an adapter for the first year or two, you'll need an adapter indefinitely
well, it is being designed so you can swap out the port like an outlet at home.
It’s easy to change a plug
CCS is the world standard for the connection so makes sense using it instead of CN, US or JP versions. (with those 3 probably also having a good share of CCS too)
Does that mean you’re designing the wiring to be multiplexed for NCAS, with temporary AC to DC switching at the plug? It’s cheap to swap a plug, but why spend the money to manufacture, ship, and install extra wiring?
@@miragept CCS2 is European, CCS1 is North America, which is switching to NACS. China uses a different standard (GBT, I think), and Japanese likes ChaDaMo.
Lithium polymer is what drones use. Lithium-ion is whats in the cylinder cells
Yes, please correct their engineer
@@Neberheim There is like 4 main lithium chemistries. I've built mutipul solar systems & a drone builder. I'm an engineer also.
Then you should know what polymer refers to, and that LiPo as a type of chemistry doesn’t mean that it’s the only one allowed to use a polymer in cell construction. LiFePo4 (LFP) batteries (they aren’t using lithium ion) can incorporate polymer electrolytes too.
Even if he misspoke, who cares? Why was your first instinct to “correct” instead of verify?
@@Neberheim polymer is too volatile to pack in metal cells. It expands & contracts too much for metal. Only pouch. Facts matter.
ALL lithium batteries ARE Lithium-Ion batteries and LiFePo4 IS NOT only cylindrical nor is it the only chemistry in cylindrical cells. And if you have built multiple solar banks it is scary you didn't even know basics such as that!
Drones DO use LiPo because it has the greatest discharge ratings for such spikes like the multiple motors can suddenly draw during flight and maneuvers, They just are NOT the safest in EV applications as the others. LifePo4 is the most forgiven and the most commonly found. LTO I believe is used in hybrid systems on buses in China and many hybrid/ev in the US use NMC if not LiFePo4. All 18650,20700 and other batteries with such nomenclature are LiFePo4 cylindrical cells .. There is your 4. (There are others but not widely used)
I really hope to Canadian government. Doesn't do something stupid like putting terrorists on what you important for for vehicle?
I really hope people speak English. :D
What the hell happened to Eric? He is a part founder of the company.
Worlds first diesel-electric Sherman? 😅
A Mini version of that is the Textron RIPSAW M5 RCV. It just has a 6.6L V8 Duramax as a generator and two 900hp electric motors one for each track. It even just has a J1772 charger port.
Poor Eric
I think thd Koreans have the best batteries in the world.
no that'd be BYD
well they used to be, but now it's china's CATL and BYD
"had" should be more accurate
What business class on the train. Wonder if any of the locals were cutting the cheese as they walked through to their
Economy seats
Economy class or Second class is pretty good. Business class is only if you need a private cabin for yourself. The whole train would only have about 6 business class seats.
Just say no to welded bus bars on the cells.
the cells they were looking at had bolted bus bars with expansion bends.
@@Stubones999 at 5:38 those are laser welded cell connections.
@@gonesilent2814 Hmm weird, welded cell connectors with washer alignment markings. Sorry I don't get the point of that additional work?
Black ops 2 literally predicted what chinas plan for production was lol
"China is very chill."
/David Zhang has entered the chat
"Oh, crap."
Lithium polymer is for toys. NMC and NCA are lithium chemistries for high performance. Tesla uses NCA predominantly in North America. LiFePO4 is for economy, stability and high cycle life.
Which is why they use LFP…?
Tesla literally used 18650 cells... THAT is LiFePo4. NCA is used in the PLAID versions. IF they now use them in other 'trims' now I do not know.
LiPo is also used in our phones.
@@commonsenseisdeadandgone Most 18650 chemistries are a nominal 3.7 vpc. LiFePO4 is 3.2-3.3 vpc.
Tesla DOES use NCA now….
@@Joshie2256 LifePo4 100% SOC 3.4-3.65vdc, 50% SOC 3.26vdc, 0% SOC2.5vdc
I do not know what “vpc” is.
@@Joshie2256 Volts Per Cell!
Got it! Yes it just randomly came to me now 😂
With how big your batteries are 150kw won’t be “fast charging”. 250kw is hardly fast enough on my model y. Aim for 350kw, that’s what the modern CCS chargers can put out. Or just run the genny lol
They will likely only be charging after the work day is done overnight
Good enough for overnight charging.
22kw AC overnight charging
I think they are doing hybrids, so fast charging is not particularly important.
CCS dc fast charging is rather problematic and not very reliable in North America. Tesla is fitting some of their super charger stations to work with EVs that use CCS.
Good thing we have generators on board! It's only a bonus feature, not really required
Tesla has no employees in their charging dept.
@@armorclasshero2103 They do. Elon hired a large majority of the charging team back after his little temper tantrum.
@@charlesball6519 the grunts, not the talent. competition snapped up all the talent.
this comment section Crazyyyyy
Now go visit the kids who mine the minerals😂
😂
LFP batteries don't use cobalt
Those same minerals are in the phone you're using to make this comment. Stop acting as if you *really* care about child labor 🙄
Blink twice if you need help
Shame you went with the CCS port and 150KW is really low for a that large of a truck. Especially with tesla coming out with their V4 charging stations which they will be around 1MW
With what employees? The charging dept has none, he fired them all.
This is why the diesel generator makes sense in most cases except for long-haul.
@@armorclasshero2103 And then he re-hired a large majority of the department back. Keep up with the news.
@@charlesball6519 except he didn't. He couldn't get back anyone from the top. He rehired the grunts, not the talent.
CCS is what's used outside of the US so there is constant development into that, too. And it has been around for a long time. I suspect it was just easier going with that as the NACS (Tesla plug but based on CCS) is pretty new and focused on cars.
Also there is the European heavy truck charging standard MCS (based on CCS) coming online with up to 3.75 MW. Which is what will make electric trucking more viable as batteries keep getting better. It's not like a heavy truck with trailer can easily pull up to a Tesla supercharger or other car chargers anyways. There needs to be dedicated infrastructure for that.
No need to force a smile between comments.
Don’t waste money on lithium wait 1 year
Sure, bud.
Wait one year for what? Sodium? What non-lithium chemistry is going to hit the market in the next year?
If you are talking about sodium based batteries, those are good for stationary uses (like grid storage). They have less energy density than LiFePO4 batteries.
It would be several years before commercial Sodium battery came out if the research is a success next years.
Get a design is one thing but building then sourcing parts to build that design are another thing.
It would be at least a decade to make any dent in Lith battery dominant.
That's been the mantra of the fossil fuel industry for the last 3 decades. "Next year, the new wonder technology will be there, so buying an EV now is a folly; buy an ICE car if you need a new car now."
Did the police ask you to come to the Station for tea?
Amoment you fall in love with the Ccp they rob you ! Biachhhh😂
DEFINITELY go with india as you WILL ABSOLUTELY WIN!
Foreigners get out of China,
Just don't buy Tofu dreg and you are safe. Be careful what you eat while there.
DEFINITELY go with india as you WILL ABSOLUTELY WIN!
dude learned some buzzwords
Foreigners get out of China,
supporting the ccp is supporting your own doom
Foreigners get out of China,
Be careful, you're being groomed. You are also on the guilded tour. Beware.
DEFINITELY go with india as you WILL ABSOLUTELY WIN!
lol brainwashed
🤦♂️
i think that's kind of implied
What’s amusing is the notion that China, a country hosting millions of business travelers daily, would single out a small startup from Merritt for special treatment. Unlike North Korea, whose trope of the rare western visitor seeing fake supermarkets and factories on a gilded tour you seem to be referencing, China is a major global hub for industry and commerce, focused on facilitating business, not orchestrating elaborate facades for visitors.
能骗就骗
Man this video was kinda cringe...
The CCP Would like to have you complete a questionnaire. First question: How can we be less cringe for you? Would you take cash money for positive reviews and support?
@@thehardnesschannel1605 wtf
@@malagebide Pretty funny, seems actually plausible.
@@malagebide Think the 'WTF' should be directed to OP
Lose the stupid music
😂😂😂 and since when did the chinese give a second f£#k about respect
Maybe you think the Chinese are horrible abusive people, or at least their government is, and I don't disagree, but at the end of the day you simply may need to do business with China, and you got to act nicely so they will do business with you. And you are right you are being put at risk of only abusive deals being offered in the future, but it is your best option. Perfection is the enemy of progress.
Are you conflating geopolitics with individual behaviors?
Foreigners get out of China,
@@Neberheim you will never get it from your religion perspect
and since when did you know anything about respect?
Not a fan of Canadians.
We are sooo behind on things when we could be way ahead it’s embarrassing. But I think it has a lot to do with discipline and moral ethics.
Thank you for the 15 minute video. Don’t make them so long please
Hmmhhh - long is good, longer is better.
No way all the tech is available all they have is the cheap sometimes forced labour....
@@alienapksAmerica has the largest slave population on earth, bud.