World of warcraft is alive and kicking despite its best effort to fall over. Do you think the WoW enjoyer will take to Ashes of Creations more hardcoreish features and systems?
There's a very important Point your initial topic is forgetting and that's the fact that the current wow player base in big part is now made up of the people who were molded by the companies changing direction rather than the actual original people who enjoy the actual game before it got ruined and I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a lot of those people that are still playing purely just because well they love the game once and there's nothing else necessary to replace it right now until Ash is drops.
Like full stop there's very few people who actually enjoy all of the convenience and bulshit that's been added over time to the animal genre by wow as it was just the company's forcing that in within all the old players left and they've had new players come in and try it and either enjoy it or at least tolerate it enough to decide to keep on playing or play it while enjoying it for a while but then realize they hate it but also realizing that they put in too much time and don't want to give into the sunk cost fallacy.
7:57 if this isn't a sign that current wow is literally and I do mean this completely literally, a 100% entirely different game the old school wow meaning that its current player base means jack in terms of caring about what they want, I don't know what else is because wow is literally the centerpiece for you and your friends walking around the world and everyone working together and doing their parts and the literal meme of if you have a an IRL job and a family and are successful IRL then you're doing something wrong.....
Ohhh yeah ppl are just playing WOW as a placeholder. As soon as AOC releases I believe it will finally die as it should have 10+ years ago. I never even would have played it if SWG hadn't been ruined by Sony. WOW looked like for kids and even as a 14 yr old I kind of hated it and quickly moved to more mature looking MMO's even if they had way less players. AOC has the look and systems for people to grow old with. Could run the rest of our lives with graphical updates, no joke
Nope, Steven has ev3n said so. Hes not making this game for the masses. Riots game will tackle that hill. The Ashes crew want a challenge, no p2w, no dumbed down meaningless crap that wow has become, and a company that listens to its player base, it may not make steven and the gang make 'your' changes, but they will listen and take notes. I just want a good game where i can play with my friends and get lost in the world. This will be my last mmo, so if it fails it fails.
wont be fail for sure,good thing is this game have strong community and lets say playerbase!Its not like other mmorpg Intrepid talk with community and they ask us about changes!When we talk about Riot thats another lvl,we talk about company which have thousands of workers,money also they take 20% of global population players!I think both games will be successful!
WoW is already dead, there is some hype on classic and SOD, but on retail... THey simply cant get new players. Because the whole game desinged for the top 1% and the whales. Those who instant buying every new shit from the store and enjoying the bot made gold/boost community services. Chris Metzen maybe can write some good lore, but he cannot fix the whole rotten core of this game. As long as blizzard making money on bots instead of banning them all. I played since 2006, i love WOW but what blizzard make (or just ALLOW for the heckers) in the last few years is disgusting.
Wow is not going to die because of any 1 game. People have an emotional connection to wow so they tend to circle back each expansion just to see what is up. They may only stay for 4-6 months but that is really the only things needed to keep it alive.... from a servers not being taken down point of view. Our Guild has just over 100 players. Most of those players are in discord and they are playing a big variety of games. They always circle back to wow, raid log, or hop on for the weekend to get something done. However truth be told, there are so many games available now to be a 1 game andy. They will likely play Ashes, still jump into wow as they always have, and will continue to play other mmo's on the side. Ashes won't kill any game... it will give another option for players to add to their gaming library to pass the time.
WoW will never truly die due to the huge amount of players with tremendous sunk cost. All those achievements, store mounts, cosmetics, etc... if they stop playing WoW, they will no longer have value. I am confident AoC will give a better casual and hardcore experience for every type of player. There is no focus around endgame, the focus is around the social aspect of the game. U arent on some sort of timer ticking down the minutes until u get fully geared before the next tier of gear gets released. U could be a level 10 player getting protected by level 50 players while u casually do whatever u want to do in the game. It is the true next level of gaming.
The WoW players can keep playing WoW... as they tend to ruin new MMO's when they join and get the developers to make their original game more like... WoW. The key to any new MMO is to NOT listen to WoW players. I have seen several MMO's go down hill when they start to implement WoW style raids. Examples? Rift, and GW2 are two that I experienced this with. As for guilds competing and PVPing over raid bosses... that was one of the best parts of Lineage II is that same dynamic, and it was a blast to PVP while fighting a boss. I honestly can't wait till AoC goes live... it's going to be a refreshing refresh on other smaller MMO's that rocked when they went live.
Is it the wow players fault? Or the devs for listening to them 🤣🤣. Also why do you think lineage died out? All we ever seem to hear is great things about it.
Comparing Ashes to WoW is apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but for different tastes. Comparing any MMO to any MMO is quite odd in and of itself. The question Intrepid is asking is not "how do we kill wow" but "how do we make a good game". Ashes shouldn't strive to swipe players from other MMOs, because that's a recipe for disaster. Trying to swoop numbers from others will lead to you trying to cater to everyone and appeasing no one by the end of it. If the goal of WoW players is to play with only speed and efficiency, they'll be sorely disappointed. Basically the message is don't come to Ashes expecting WoW, cuz it ain't.
No, I don't think it will. (Unless something has changed over the last couple of years). There is a huge segment of gamers who are PVE only and will not want to play a game with forced PVP. (Great points by the way)
WoW and Ashes are not the same type of MMO. I liked WoW but I always considered it a light version of MMOs the came before it. Great for beginners easy to play for all and it brought alot of people into the mmo market because of that. Ashes isn't so much bringing anything new it is refining what was old in the serious mmos that came before WoW taking the best and building a sandbox style MMO. I think alot of people will find it refreshing to get back to the old UO, DAOC, SWG, lineage 2 style of gaming and i think some WoW players desire something more gritty sandboxish but I don't think it would "Kill" it but maybe lower thier subs by a chunk.
Of course it will have some solo content. But the game is being designed with a lot of group focus in. Reaching max level solo is probably out of the question. Crafting a completed item will require talking to multiple people. Pvp is being balanced for large group battles instead of 1v1 scenarios, elite mobs will once again truly be elite mobs requiring a party to take down etc...
I am one of those people that don't think AoC is going to launch. Star Citizen left a bad taste in my mouth with upstart indie developers. While I hope it does launch, I am very glad to see them going OG Everquest with how they're working PvE/Dungeons/Etc.
Thanks for this interesting video. The graphics are also very differents. WoW has its own slightly cartoony style, whereas AOF is based on Unreal5 and looks (especially for its environment) a lot like other MMOs on the same graphics engine. Furthermore, are players who have spent almost 10 years building up their character ready to relaunch another journey ? So I agree with you....
The question is not if ashes can or cannot. its only a matter of time, because alot of people play wow because everything else is less interesting. but that dont means that wow is good. they play it because there is nothing else worth. but ashes makes alot of things right. Biggest pro for ashes, they interact so much with the community and work with them :=)
Every other MMO that is a sandbox instead of theme park has died or settled with a low pop. AOC is built for a large healthy pop, a problem for any game, but a massive issue for a sandbox because the players make the content. Sadly even if AOC is everything it claims I believe the player base isn't there. Oh the "players" will say they want this type if game but if you build it they don't come.
To be fair, I think Ashes of Creation killed itself. If you want a course on how not to develop an mmo and market it... Ashes could be the prime example. The only game that ever has a chance to "kill wow" will be an MMO that almost comes out of nowhere and is ready to play when it is first hyped. Not years and years later when nobody cares about it anymore.
Lmao! Wow killed its self and Ashes will explode from wow’s ashes imo. The monthly updates are promising and Alpha 2 will be the real test in Q3 this year.
Could but never going to be happen because when they release this game, everything is going to be so outdated, like how classic feels now, but different classics have a fanbase already.
The difference on WoW and AoC, is that in Wow you only need a PvE guild to make the competitive PvE things, while in AoC that same PvE guilds will need to alliance with other PvP guild to defend them while they are doing the raids from others guild, for me is double the experience and fun to play and watch, and you will pull a lot of hard core PvP players to "PvE" with a lot of viewers. It will be harder to coordinate and set up those big groups for sure, but that is what hardcore players want and separate them from the rest. The problem I see in your analysis is you are comparing apples to pears, AoC is not a game with PvE separate of PvP as it is WoW, is a new system that merge both, and in that new system both PvE/PvP hardcore player will unite to compete
WoW will not be killed anytime soon, because WoW was a cultural phenomenon and people's childhoods are linked to it. Therefore, if it actually died, it will almost necessarily exists until the millennial generation is quite old, if not mostly deceased. That, or Blizzard shuts it down for WoW2, but even that is unlikely. No game can kill WoW, even if it is of better quality, though it may entice away some of its players.
Looking at teh gameplay you showed, no. It will not destroy wow. This has been through the years, only wow will destroy wow. They almost destroyed it themselves when they announce things and people judge before playing (cause blizz werent that great at announcing things they themselves thinks are the amazing). wow have had to many years to get people nostalgic for it and the characters they have created, one of the reason we never have a "wow 2.0", they would be scared no one would play it cause your characters wont be there etc etc. and since bobby is gone, it will take even longer before wow dies out completely.
Couple of good observations, you just left out the corruption system when you spoke about the PvP. Also, Steven Shariff himself stated that AoC "won't be for everyone, and that is fine"
i feel that most of the people playing wow are simply the lifers. I played for like 10 years but after the pandas and pokemon system, and the pug raid finder system, it just wasn't my bag anymore. I went over to guildwars 2. At first i hated it because i had that vertical progression mindset. Once i set that down and took gw 2 as its own game? Loved it and have never returned to WoW. Though do what you love. if you love that grind and race to constantly scrap gear you spent months getting. Do It. If your bag is pay to win, carry a big one. All that i ask is that you experiment with whats out there.
Honestly, Ashes of Creation to me looks bland as hell. Sure, it could be a solid game, but to me whenever I look at it I just don't feel excited. My prediction is we will all try it for 2 months then a small core audience will stay and love it, and most of us will leave.
Trying to kill WoW is like trying to kill John Lennon. He's already dead, so might as well put down that copy of The Catcher in the Rye and try reading Harry Potter or some shit.
Will Ashes kill WOW? No, and we don't want it too. The more competition the better. As long as there's enough players to keep the world populated and pay for future updates that's all that matters.
This look a bit like what they whanted to do with new world design what happen was that people fast max lvl and camped the rest s opeople hide brightwood around lvl30-40 vs max lvl they had no chans to progress further so they did shange it to what we have to day pvp pve flag but even then people that it lack content and things was to hard to grind witch it was not so no this game have chans to beat wow ore even be any thing this generation can´t ore whant play invest the time we did in vanilla wow ore tbc---> i don´t play wow for many years tryed the classis priv spam for some time but epople around me don´t have what it takes that generation is gone.
I wouldn't say wow is on top as it shares that spot with FF14 and other mmo's are doing just fine with the players they have. So no one game will ever kill wow or any other mmo for that matter. it's always been a dumb topic anyway.
No, it has no instanced dungeons nor instanced raids wich is what a lot of ppl like. Ashes will be a game, if steven sticks to his vision, Where ppl find out its not for them.
a lot of what you said can be seen in classic WOW (era, Hardcore SoD, Wrath...) too: long leveling, PvP servers... ;) And those servers are filled with people! Ashes of Creation will not be everybody's cup. I fully agree to you. Probably the average PvE WOW player will not like AoC. But that's ok. I think it will be a game for people who like PvX content and were willing to look out of the WOW box. People who played Aion, people who loved and enjoyed Warhammer Online - Age of Reckoning (Siege fights! Guard system!), people who likes Lineage 2 and Archeage 1, people who loved the PvP content in ESO, people who liked GW1 for it's classes or GW2 for it's sieges... I am hyped! I played a lot of PvP MMO games in the last 20 years. I talked about this with a lot of guys: The most people who don't like Ashes are the people who almost only play PVE WOW and almost never ever touched any other RPG or MMO. On the other hand when I talk to people who played other (more PVP) MMOs, they wanna see this on a successful side. So back to the question: is Ashes killing WOW? Proably not. But I can see a future where PvP and PvX players enjoy AoC, while (mostly PvE) players still playing WOW. And that's totally fine. Play the stuff you enjoy. PS: this is not meant to be mean by any way. and it's a lot of personal experience here.
I agree. I have quite a few PvE enjoyer friends that are up high on the fence for a PvX experience. I'm trying hard to convert them but its tough haha. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!
WoW killed itself. Lets not bother doing the "WoW Killer" stuff. Ashes of Creation is its own thing. Hopefully they provide a real next generation MMORPG and the AAA scumbag studios come back down to earth when all their games lose 50% + of its players to AoC. Hopefully this game is full launched sometime in 2025.
Great video - I am probably one of the few that don't like the realism graphics in AoC, and the "spells are to flashy, remind me to much of how eastern mmorpgs look like. I am one of those that like where Pantheon rise of the fallen is heading with graphics and gameplay, and i even like the look of Monsters & Memories. I like the graphics in WoW but they have made the game waaay to casual, and there is no more rocks to turn over in classic, seen that done that. I'm probably about to pay me into prealpha in Pantheon rise of the fallen after i have seen some more progression.
I'm so interested in pantheon because of my EQ roots. I'm just afraid the project may not make it due to lack of interest and potential funding. Hopefully I can play it one day. Thanks for watching.
Yeah I dont think Ashes will kill any other MMO as MMOs nowadays are more like standard online RPGs. Today's experience is mostly solo and chill, there's no social interaction besides your own guild... And you know what? thats fair, even if thats not a true MMO experience, its still something that most people find enjoyable. Ashes will atract a ton of people and social interaction will be everywhere, which is not for everyone, but im sure this game is gonna be a huge milestone in the genre, and who knows, it may start a "new" dev trending in the industry...
Great comment! I agree. I feel like the players that are the most vocal and fed up with the genre and want something like ashes are a relatively small group compared to those currently enjoying the modern mmorpgs. Ashes will no doubt turn some heads though and hopefully open some devs eyes. Thanks for watching.
The game looks great but i honestly dont think forcing the game to be pvp only and forced groups for ecerything is a no nowadays. There is a reason why warcraft has started making the game solo friendly with elite group quests dying out, dungeon followers, etc. Majority of mmo players enjoy solo content and being able to enjoy the world without being ganked. Big mistake i think forcing pvp only servers and making you need groups. You lose out on all the gamers that have families and jobs. Unemployed and gimps will love aoc if they dedicate their whole days to it but average joe logging in to farm a few items for an hour and getting ganked constantly will just go back to wow. Streamers will love this game though and their followers, that will keep the game going for a while but without solo friendly content the game will never beat wow or even come close to its numbers.
I don't take SoD seriously. It is a season afterall and has been stated to be experimental. If SoD feedback and player count has the potential to kill retail then I would agree with you. But a year from now SoD will be just a memory and none of this will matter. Blizzard did state they have no intention of rolling it into BC and WotLK. If it remains popular we might see it become more permanent.
Warcraftlogs shows 10,769,222 logged parses over the last 2 weeks for all regions, while I know a chunk of these are from the same character running multiple dungeons, that's still a crap load of runs. And this is just mythic +. I didn't run the logs for raids and there is also normal and leveling dungeons to consider. 2.5 million logging in daily may have even been under cutting it.
If it was easy everyone would have mythic keystone master and Cutting edge for the season. And they don't. The fact is while add-ons greatly assist with a lot of aspects of the game the human error still exists. I'm interested to see how the players who have relied on add-ons for years handle a game that doesn't allow them 🤣. It'll be a sight for sure.
They are already killing it. Literally millions of people unsubbed this past week with the AWFUL nerfs and buffs they pulled off which looked like was intentional to get people to quit and then bamm.... a shit ton of people were laid off.
this topic, idk why it keeps coming up. will x kill wow. I like ur regular vids but this question has been answered like 50000 times already. theonly wow killer is wow.
dead or running around 1 million players. Truth is a game can be hot at launch and then within 2 years just be just another game in ones gaming library. No different than GW2 or NEW WORLD. People love those games, they will stick around, but they didn't kill anything.
I like the concept of ashes and it's really great but as of right now i'm a bit skeptical. Wow has hardcore community playerbase who really loves punishing death mechanics but most of them aren't keen on doing pvp contents. Ashes would be the perfect niche MMO with the death penalty on lootable corpse. I would like to play it tbh
I would say its more accurate to say wow became so fat no weapon could kill it and no one could even move anywhere it didnt wanna go but now its rolled itself on a tiny ledge thats cracking already under its own weight with ashes will proly just be the piece to finish breaking that cliff
As an AVID AOC fanboy, I feel like you make some great points! AOC is gonna be much different then all MMO's of today. A lot of these points you made revolve around quality of life and making sure time spent in the game is optimized like with raid times and the general "Waiting" around. I am hopeful that these perceived issues will be addressed since we're only in pre alpha currently. We'll see! Great vid though.
FINALLY! Welcome back Roar! Great video and man... I might do a video to follow up this one. So much to say about this topic especially coming from WoW myself. Loved what you said at the end about many MMO gamers trying out AoC but whether they stick around is still a mystery. Now... go make more videos please.
He has Returned! Lets gooo! Great video. Ashes and WoW are going to be very different for sure. I not a fan of XP debt but only had the A1 to experience it. Maybe it will not be as bad as I think.
Leveling down is too Extreme for me. In Path of Exile when you hit level 91 and you die losing 1/4 of your level stings enough. Practically losing 3 hours of work.
Oh man, didn't realise ashes was shared open dungeons etc and totally didn't realise they had no pve servers. I was about to buy the preorder thingy too. Thank you for the heads up. Saved me getting too hyped.
You may yet find some enjoyment with it. As I mentioned it'll be a much more group oriented game. It's always fun to play with friends no matter what the content is 😊
@@Roarriorpossibly. My issue mate is I'm now 41 with a wife and kids and all my mates have moved on from wow and gaming. So noone to play with like alot of people nowadays. Fingers crossed when it releases that I find a decent guild I suppose. Cheers for video, enjoyed it alot.
@@outdoorsnevada4138 yeah today wasn't it? But I'm sure that was just for the set that had the bone and blood transmits and pets. They will bring another few in future like the 20 they've done befoew
You'd be suprised how much you could still feel part of your guild/community without even engaing in pvp. And who knows, maybe your relationships with your mates could encourage you to try some pvp and love it! I can't wait for AOC been waiting 20 years or so since SWG.
AoC is an odd duck IMO. I think they're creating a game that is going to appeal to an older gamer generation .... that might not have the time and desire to be as dedicated to this game, as this game is going to need its player base to be for it to function the way they want it to work. Kill WoW, highly doubtful. Honestly, I think AoC will be one of two things. A moderate success or a colossal failure.
Everyone, PLEASE go and read the steam reviews of Ashes of Creation Apocalypes, their attempt at making a Battle Royale. That will tell you everything you need to know about this game and this company.
It is not. Mainly because it will harder and slower than current games. As far as raids, I invision guilds comming up with a schedule to avoid the conflict as I have experienced in.past mmo's.
World of warcraft is alive and kicking despite its best effort to fall over. Do you think the WoW enjoyer will take to Ashes of Creations more hardcoreish features and systems?
There's a very important Point your initial topic is forgetting and that's the fact that the current wow player base in big part is now made up of the people who were molded by the companies changing direction rather than the actual original people who enjoy the actual game before it got ruined and I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a lot of those people that are still playing purely just because well they love the game once and there's nothing else necessary to replace it right now until Ash is drops.
Like full stop there's very few people who actually enjoy all of the convenience and bulshit that's been added over time to the animal genre by wow as it was just the company's forcing that in within all the old players left and they've had new players come in and try it and either enjoy it or at least tolerate it enough to decide to keep on playing or play it while enjoying it for a while but then realize they hate it but also realizing that they put in too much time and don't want to give into the sunk cost fallacy.
@@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n fair observation.
7:57 if this isn't a sign that current wow is literally and I do mean this completely literally, a 100% entirely different game the old school wow meaning that its current player base means jack in terms of caring about what they want, I don't know what else is because wow is literally the centerpiece for you and your friends walking around the world and everyone working together and doing their parts and the literal meme of if you have a an IRL job and a family and are successful IRL then you're doing something wrong.....
Ohhh yeah ppl are just playing WOW as a placeholder. As soon as AOC releases I believe it will finally die as it should have 10+ years ago. I never even would have played it if SWG hadn't been ruined by Sony. WOW looked like for kids and even as a 14 yr old I kind of hated it and quickly moved to more mature looking MMO's even if they had way less players. AOC has the look and systems for people to grow old with. Could run the rest of our lives with graphical updates, no joke
Nope, Steven has ev3n said so. Hes not making this game for the masses. Riots game will tackle that hill.
The Ashes crew want a challenge, no p2w, no dumbed down meaningless crap that wow has become, and a company that listens to its player base, it may not make steven and the gang make 'your' changes, but they will listen and take notes.
I just want a good game where i can play with my friends and get lost in the world. This will be my last mmo, so if it fails it fails.
That's what this video is for. To detail these are 100% different MMOs that offer a different play experience. Ashes will exist alongside the others.
wont be fail for sure,good thing is this game have strong community and lets say playerbase!Its not like other mmorpg Intrepid talk with community and they ask us about changes!When we talk about Riot thats another lvl,we talk about company which have thousands of workers,money also they take 20% of global population players!I think both games will be successful!
"Can Santa Claus beat up Tom Brady??". Idk, one doesn't exist and the other isn't as good as they used to be, so hard to say
Best analogy ever 🤣🤣🤣
Santa is still as good as he always was!
WoW is already dead, there is some hype on classic and SOD, but on retail... THey simply cant get new players. Because the whole game desinged for the top 1% and the whales. Those who instant buying every new shit from the store and enjoying the bot made gold/boost community services. Chris Metzen maybe can write some good lore, but he cannot fix the whole rotten core of this game. As long as blizzard making money on bots instead of banning them all. I played since 2006, i love WOW but what blizzard make (or just ALLOW for the heckers) in the last few years is disgusting.
Wow is not going to die because of any 1 game. People have an emotional connection to wow so they tend to circle back each expansion just to see what is up. They may only stay for 4-6 months but that is really the only things needed to keep it alive.... from a servers not being taken down point of view. Our Guild has just over 100 players. Most of those players are in discord and they are playing a big variety of games. They always circle back to wow, raid log, or hop on for the weekend to get something done. However truth be told, there are so many games available now to be a 1 game andy. They will likely play Ashes, still jump into wow as they always have, and will continue to play other mmo's on the side. Ashes won't kill any game... it will give another option for players to add to their gaming library to pass the time.
WoW will never truly die due to the huge amount of players with tremendous sunk cost. All those achievements, store mounts, cosmetics, etc... if they stop playing WoW, they will no longer have value. I am confident AoC will give a better casual and hardcore experience for every type of player. There is no focus around endgame, the focus is around the social aspect of the game. U arent on some sort of timer ticking down the minutes until u get fully geared before the next tier of gear gets released. U could be a level 10 player getting protected by level 50 players while u casually do whatever u want to do in the game. It is the true next level of gaming.
Psssst... I'ma let y'all in on a secret: games aren't religions. You can have more than one. No game needs to "kill" any other game.
Exactly!!
Yup. I play WOW, GW2, ESO, and NEW WORLD,. Ashes of Creation will be added to that list.
The WoW players can keep playing WoW... as they tend to ruin new MMO's when they join and get the developers to make their original game more like... WoW. The key to any new MMO is to NOT listen to WoW players. I have seen several MMO's go down hill when they start to implement WoW style raids. Examples? Rift, and GW2 are two that I experienced this with. As for guilds competing and PVPing over raid bosses... that was one of the best parts of Lineage II is that same dynamic, and it was a blast to PVP while fighting a boss. I honestly can't wait till AoC goes live... it's going to be a refreshing refresh on other smaller MMO's that rocked when they went live.
Is it the wow players fault? Or the devs for listening to them 🤣🤣. Also why do you think lineage died out? All we ever seem to hear is great things about it.
Comparing Ashes to WoW is apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but for different tastes.
Comparing any MMO to any MMO is quite odd in and of itself. The question Intrepid is asking is not "how do we kill wow" but "how do we make a good game". Ashes shouldn't strive to swipe players from other MMOs, because that's a recipe for disaster. Trying to swoop numbers from others will lead to you trying to cater to everyone and appeasing no one by the end of it.
If the goal of WoW players is to play with only speed and efficiency, they'll be sorely disappointed.
Basically the message is don't come to Ashes expecting WoW, cuz it ain't.
That's the whole point of the video.
No, I don't think it will. (Unless something has changed over the last couple of years). There is a huge segment of gamers who are PVE only and will not want to play a game with forced PVP. (Great points by the way)
Thank you! And thanks for watching. ❤
WoW and Ashes are not the same type of MMO. I liked WoW but I always considered it a light version of MMOs the came before it. Great for beginners easy to play for all and it brought alot of people into the mmo market because of that. Ashes isn't so much bringing anything new it is refining what was old in the serious mmos that came before WoW taking the best and building a sandbox style MMO. I think alot of people will find it refreshing to get back to the old UO, DAOC, SWG, lineage 2 style of gaming and i think some WoW players desire something more gritty sandboxish but I don't think it would "Kill" it but maybe lower thier subs by a chunk.
Dam you can't play this game solo?
Of course it will have some solo content. But the game is being designed with a lot of group focus in. Reaching max level solo is probably out of the question. Crafting a completed item will require talking to multiple people. Pvp is being balanced for large group battles instead of 1v1 scenarios, elite mobs will once again truly be elite mobs requiring a party to take down etc...
@@Roarrior ok cool, thanks again
I am one of those people that don't think AoC is going to launch. Star Citizen left a bad taste in my mouth with upstart indie developers. While I hope it does launch, I am very glad to see them going OG Everquest with how they're working PvE/Dungeons/Etc.
Ashes may pull some pvp people from wow. But that is a small percentage of players.
At least in open world.
Thanks for this interesting video. The graphics are also very differents. WoW has its own slightly cartoony style, whereas AOF is based on Unreal5 and looks (especially for its environment) a lot like other MMOs on the same graphics engine. Furthermore, are players who have spent almost 10 years building up their character ready to relaunch another journey ? So I agree with you....
The question is not if ashes can or cannot. its only a matter of time, because alot of people play wow because everything else is less interesting. but that dont means that wow is good. they play it because there is nothing else worth. but ashes makes alot of things right.
Biggest pro for ashes, they interact so much with the community and work with them :=)
Every other MMO that is a sandbox instead of theme park has died or settled with a low pop. AOC is built for a large healthy pop, a problem for any game, but a massive issue for a sandbox because the players make the content. Sadly even if AOC is everything it claims I believe the player base isn't there. Oh the "players" will say they want this type if game but if you build it they don't come.
To be fair, I think Ashes of Creation killed itself. If you want a course on how not to develop an mmo and market it... Ashes could be the prime example. The only game that ever has a chance to "kill wow" will be an MMO that almost comes out of nowhere and is ready to play when it is first hyped. Not years and years later when nobody cares about it anymore.
Lmao!
Wow killed its self and Ashes will explode from wow’s ashes imo. The monthly updates are promising and Alpha 2 will be the real test in Q3 this year.
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@@highcommander2007 gladly ;)
@@Vioblight kek. just different opinions. I hope Ashes is amazing, I'm just on the nay-sayers side till i see something that changes my mind.
Could but never going to be happen because when they release this game, everything is going to be so outdated, like how classic feels now, but different classics have a fanbase already.
The difference on WoW and AoC, is that in Wow you only need a PvE guild to make the competitive PvE things, while in AoC that same PvE guilds will need to alliance with other PvP guild to defend them while they are doing the raids from others guild, for me is double the experience and fun to play and watch, and you will pull a lot of hard core PvP players to "PvE" with a lot of viewers.
It will be harder to coordinate and set up those big groups for sure, but that is what hardcore players want and separate them from the rest.
The problem I see in your analysis is you are comparing apples to pears, AoC is not a game with PvE separate of PvP as it is WoW, is a new system that merge both, and in that new system both PvE/PvP hardcore player will unite to compete
WoW will not be killed anytime soon, because WoW was a cultural phenomenon and people's childhoods are linked to it. Therefore, if it actually died, it will almost necessarily exists until the millennial generation is quite old, if not mostly deceased. That, or Blizzard shuts it down for WoW2, but even that is unlikely. No game can kill WoW, even if it is of better quality, though it may entice away some of its players.
Looking at teh gameplay you showed, no. It will not destroy wow.
This has been through the years, only wow will destroy wow.
They almost destroyed it themselves when they announce things and people judge before playing (cause blizz werent that great at announcing things they themselves thinks are the amazing).
wow have had to many years to get people nostalgic for it and the characters they have created, one of the reason we never have a "wow 2.0", they would be scared no one would play it cause your characters wont be there etc etc.
and since bobby is gone, it will take even longer before wow dies out completely.
Short answer: no.
Couple of good observations, you just left out the corruption system when you spoke about the PvP.
Also, Steven Shariff himself stated that AoC "won't be for everyone, and that is fine"
i feel that most of the people playing wow are simply the lifers. I played for like 10 years but after the pandas and pokemon system, and the pug raid finder system, it just wasn't my bag anymore. I went over to guildwars 2. At first i hated it because i had that vertical progression mindset. Once i set that down and took gw 2 as its own game? Loved it and have never returned to WoW. Though do what you love. if you love that grind and race to constantly scrap gear you spent months getting. Do It. If your bag is pay to win, carry a big one. All that i ask is that you experiment with whats out there.
Honestly, Ashes of Creation to me looks bland as hell. Sure, it could be a solid game, but to me whenever I look at it I just don't feel excited.
My prediction is we will all try it for 2 months then a small core audience will stay and love it, and most of us will leave.
Trying to kill WoW is like trying to kill John Lennon. He's already dead, so might as well put down that copy of The Catcher in the Rye and try reading Harry Potter or some shit.
Will Ashes kill WOW? No, and we don't want it too. The more competition the better. As long as there's enough players to keep the world populated and pay for future updates that's all that matters.
This look a bit like what they whanted to do with new world design what happen was that people fast max lvl and camped the rest s opeople hide brightwood around lvl30-40 vs max lvl they had no chans to progress further so they did shange it to what we have to day pvp pve flag but even then people that it lack content and things was to hard to grind witch it was not so no this game have chans to beat wow ore even be any thing this generation can´t ore whant play invest the time we did in vanilla wow ore tbc---> i don´t play wow for many years tryed the classis priv spam for some time but epople around me don´t have what it takes that generation is gone.
I wouldn't say wow is on top as it shares that spot with FF14 and other mmo's are doing just fine with the players they have. So no one game will ever kill wow or any other mmo for that matter. it's always been a dumb topic anyway.
No, it has no instanced dungeons nor instanced raids wich is what a lot of ppl like.
Ashes will be a game, if steven sticks to his vision, Where ppl find out its not for them.
Not a fair comparison. AoC is not for everyone. AoC is designed for large guilds. WoW is for everyone. WoW is designed for individual players success.
The game hasnt launched and the animations of skills and abilities are horrible. Wow may fall, but it wont be because of AoC.
I dont understand how people dont get bored with WoW. They gotta be bored. Probably just addiction for most?
thats fine, leave the toxic WOW community and all those boomers in their game. im ready to play an actual good game.
Nope, looking forward to the game, but must admit I´m not so keen on dungeons etc. not being instanced.
a lot of what you said can be seen in classic WOW (era, Hardcore SoD, Wrath...) too: long leveling, PvP servers... ;) And those servers are filled with people!
Ashes of Creation will not be everybody's cup. I fully agree to you. Probably the average PvE WOW player will not like AoC. But that's ok.
I think it will be a game for people who like PvX content and were willing to look out of the WOW box. People who played Aion, people who loved and enjoyed Warhammer Online - Age of Reckoning (Siege fights! Guard system!), people who likes Lineage 2 and Archeage 1, people who loved the PvP content in ESO, people who liked GW1 for it's classes or GW2 for it's sieges...
I am hyped! I played a lot of PvP MMO games in the last 20 years. I talked about this with a lot of guys: The most people who don't like Ashes are the people who almost only play PVE WOW and almost never ever touched any other RPG or MMO. On the other hand when I talk to people who played other (more PVP) MMOs, they wanna see this on a successful side.
So back to the question: is Ashes killing WOW? Proably not. But I can see a future where PvP and PvX players enjoy AoC, while (mostly PvE) players still playing WOW. And that's totally fine. Play the stuff you enjoy.
PS: this is not meant to be mean by any way. and it's a lot of personal experience here.
I agree. I have quite a few PvE enjoyer friends that are up high on the fence for a PvX experience. I'm trying hard to convert them but its tough haha. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!
No, and it doesn't need to. Ashes is game for PvP players, WoW for PvEs.
WoW killed itself. Lets not bother doing the "WoW Killer" stuff. Ashes of Creation is its own thing. Hopefully they provide a real next generation MMORPG and the AAA scumbag studios come back down to earth when all their games lose 50% + of its players to AoC. Hopefully this game is full launched sometime in 2025.
Not gunna happen.
Great video - I am probably one of the few that don't like the realism graphics in AoC, and the "spells are to flashy, remind me to much of how eastern mmorpgs look like. I am one of those that like where Pantheon rise of the fallen is heading with graphics and gameplay, and i even like the look of Monsters & Memories. I like the graphics in WoW but they have made the game waaay to casual, and there is no more rocks to turn over in classic, seen that done that. I'm probably about to pay me into prealpha in Pantheon rise of the fallen after i have seen some more progression.
I'm so interested in pantheon because of my EQ roots. I'm just afraid the project may not make it due to lack of interest and potential funding. Hopefully I can play it one day. Thanks for watching.
I think they already announced that it will be the end of this wow era so... yeah it will be the end no need to watch this video
Yeah I dont think Ashes will kill any other MMO as MMOs nowadays are more like standard online RPGs. Today's experience is mostly solo and chill, there's no social interaction besides your own guild... And you know what? thats fair, even if thats not a true MMO experience, its still something that most people find enjoyable.
Ashes will atract a ton of people and social interaction will be everywhere, which is not for everyone, but im sure this game is gonna be a huge milestone in the genre, and who knows, it may start a "new" dev trending in the industry...
Great comment! I agree. I feel like the players that are the most vocal and fed up with the genre and want something like ashes are a relatively small group compared to those currently enjoying the modern mmorpgs. Ashes will no doubt turn some heads though and hopefully open some devs eyes. Thanks for watching.
The game looks great but i honestly dont think forcing the game to be pvp only and forced groups for ecerything is a no nowadays. There is a reason why warcraft has started making the game solo friendly with elite group quests dying out, dungeon followers, etc. Majority of mmo players enjoy solo content and being able to enjoy the world without being ganked. Big mistake i think forcing pvp only servers and making you need groups. You lose out on all the gamers that have families and jobs. Unemployed and gimps will love aoc if they dedicate their whole days to it but average joe logging in to farm a few items for an hour and getting ganked constantly will just go back to wow.
Streamers will love this game though and their followers, that will keep the game going for a while but without solo friendly content the game will never beat wow or even come close to its numbers.
Might be some truth to this. We should find out soon.
This game is too different than wow. It won't kill it but will take some
AoC will absolutely not kill World of Warcraft. The only thing that could possibly kill WoW is Blizzard themselves.
They've definitely tried with shadowlands 🤣
WoW doesn’t need help killing itself. SoD has already nerfed hunters into the ground because the mages whining about being out performed
I don't take SoD seriously. It is a season afterall and has been stated to be experimental. If SoD feedback and player count has the potential to kill retail then I would agree with you. But a year from now SoD will be just a memory and none of this will matter. Blizzard did state they have no intention of rolling it into BC and WotLK. If it remains popular we might see it become more permanent.
2.5 million characters, not players but still impressive considering wow is approaching legal drinking age.
Warcraftlogs shows 10,769,222 logged parses over the last 2 weeks for all regions, while I know a chunk of these are from the same character running multiple dungeons, that's still a crap load of runs. And this is just mythic +. I didn't run the logs for raids and there is also normal and leveling dungeons to consider. 2.5 million logging in daily may have even been under cutting it.
Ashes seems very unfriendly. Yeah most wow players would find ashes a horrible experience 😂
🤣 most likely
No. The people playing retail wow are not the audience for aoc. It might kill classic though.
My thoughts as well.
warcraft is already dead on its own, the only thing that will keep alive is classic wow till riot mmo comes i think.
dont think pls
This sounds like WoW shill propaganda. 🤣
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Only who can kill WoW is WoW itself. I dont think other games even games like Ashes Of Creation will kill it!
Give Microsoft a little time and 'THEY' will kill WOW and CALL OF DUTY....
@@Extermicide :D Who knows... y u are right!
once Ash comes out i'll give it a month before it just dies but im excited to play the game
I think many are waiting to see what it looks like after that first month as well.
I didn't realize AoC was being designed as a griefer's paradise.
I want no part of that. Nor would most MMO players.
They have a lot of systems in place to police the griefers scene. Check out my "too hardcore for you" video. Explain the corruption system very well.
I don't see it.
@@ApPersonaNonGrata title is PvP and Death, ashes of creations most debated topic.
addons are trash for wow ruined the game by making it easy for everyone to do endgame content
If it was easy everyone would have mythic keystone master and Cutting edge for the season. And they don't. The fact is while add-ons greatly assist with a lot of aspects of the game the human error still exists. I'm interested to see how the players who have relied on add-ons for years handle a game that doesn't allow them 🤣. It'll be a sight for sure.
Can Ashes of Creation KILL WoW? No.
The only way WoW dies is Blizzard kills it. No game is going to do it.
They are already killing it. Literally millions of people unsubbed this past week with the AWFUL nerfs and buffs they pulled off which looked like was intentional to get people to quit and then bamm.... a shit ton of people were laid off.
didnt watch the video, dont plan on watching it. the answer is no. move on
And this is from someone who thinks wow is a dogshit game btw
Move on from what? Kinda sounds like someone else needs to move on 🤣
sounds like you might need to move on lmfao
this topic, idk why it keeps coming up. will x kill wow.
I like ur regular vids but this question has been answered like 50000 times already. theonly wow killer is wow.
Quality video as always
Was there any MMO in history of MMOs where people didn't scream it's the next wow killer? Where are all those MMOs now?
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Plenty of them still around and doing well enough.
dead or running around 1 million players. Truth is a game can be hot at launch and then within 2 years just be just another game in ones gaming library. No different than GW2 or NEW WORLD. People love those games, they will stick around, but they didn't kill anything.
I like the concept of ashes and it's really great but as of right now i'm a bit skeptical. Wow has hardcore community playerbase who really loves punishing death mechanics but most of them aren't keen on doing pvp contents. Ashes would be the perfect niche MMO with the death penalty on lootable corpse. I would like to play it tbh
only wow 2 will kil wow or riot mmo
Short answer is no. Only WoW will kill WoW.
I would say its more accurate to say wow became so fat no weapon could kill it and no one could even move anywhere it didnt wanna go but now its rolled itself on a tiny ledge thats cracking already under its own weight with ashes will proly just be the piece to finish breaking that cliff
No.
already out dated 😂
As an AVID AOC fanboy, I feel like you make some great points! AOC is gonna be much different then all MMO's of today. A lot of these points you made revolve around quality of life and making sure time spent in the game is optimized like with raid times and the general "Waiting" around. I am hopeful that these perceived issues will be addressed since we're only in pre alpha currently. We'll see! Great vid though.
Thank you!
I think WoW will kill WoW before Ashes of Creation releases fully.
I think if they lived through shadowlands and the studio harassment drama nothing can stop them 🤣
No
FINALLY! Welcome back Roar! Great video and man... I might do a video to follow up this one. So much to say about this topic especially coming from WoW myself. Loved what you said at the end about many MMO gamers trying out AoC but whether they stick around is still a mystery. Now... go make more videos please.
Thank Vlhadus. Appreciate the feedback as always. I'll try to stay on top of it haha 🤣
I haven't heard anything so far that would kill my desire to play this game :D
Can't wait for Alpha 2!
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He has Returned! Lets gooo! Great video. Ashes and WoW are going to be very different for sure. I not a fan of XP debt but only had the A1 to experience it. Maybe it will not be as bad as I think.
I played with xp loss on EQ. You could literally level down. Was never fun to grind back up
Leveling down is too Extreme for me. In Path of Exile when you hit level 91 and you die losing 1/4 of your level stings enough. Practically losing 3 hours of work.
Very good video my friend, felt very professional - I thoroughly enjoyed watching!
Thanks for the support, as always. ❤
always nice to see these videos, good content, enjoyable watch keep it up!
Very appreciated!
Oh man, didn't realise ashes was shared open dungeons etc and totally didn't realise they had no pve servers. I was about to buy the preorder thingy too. Thank you for the heads up. Saved me getting too hyped.
You may yet find some enjoyment with it. As I mentioned it'll be a much more group oriented game. It's always fun to play with friends no matter what the content is 😊
@@Roarriorpossibly. My issue mate is I'm now 41 with a wife and kids and all my mates have moved on from wow and gaming. So noone to play with like alot of people nowadays. Fingers crossed when it releases that I find a decent guild I suppose. Cheers for video, enjoyed it alot.
pre orders have been taken down.
@@outdoorsnevada4138 yeah today wasn't it? But I'm sure that was just for the set that had the bone and blood transmits and pets. They will bring another few in future like the 20 they've done befoew
You'd be suprised how much you could still feel part of your guild/community without even engaing in pvp. And who knows, maybe your relationships with your mates could encourage you to try some pvp and love it! I can't wait for AOC been waiting 20 years or so since SWG.
Watched it on stream, the stream enjoyed it!
Thanks man. Always appreciate the support
WOW is 'DPS Meter and Dopamine Loot Piñata the Game' and Ashaes is wanting to be an old school RPGMMO. Most people want to play what WOW has become.
Welcome back. 🫡
Thanks Q
AoC is an odd duck IMO. I think they're creating a game that is going to appeal to an older gamer generation .... that might not have the time and desire to be as dedicated to this game, as this game is going to need its player base to be for it to function the way they want it to work. Kill WoW, highly doubtful. Honestly, I think AoC will be one of two things. A moderate success or a colossal failure.
That's a thoughtful take. I agree 👍
Everyone, PLEASE go and read the steam reviews of Ashes of Creation Apocalypes, their attempt at making a Battle Royale. That will tell you everything you need to know about this game and this company.
it wasnt supposed to be a game it was a combat system test with shitty marketing desicions
@@notransit8327 the copium is strong
Have you heard about the critically acclaimed mmorpg Final Fantasy 14?
Oh I think I've heard of that one 🤣
Hot trash
It is not. Mainly because it will harder and slower than current games.
As far as raids, I invision guilds comming up with a schedule to avoid the conflict as I have experienced in.past mmo's.
Back when I played EQ guilds used to do that. Worked well. But something ashes has that that my EQ server did not is streamers and pvp 😂
And ashes of creation is a cash grab and wont release and IF it does it will faill as its to complex
The game isn't for everybody.
Indeed.
In my opinion brother, this video is some of your best work to date. Well Done!
Thanks man. Appreciate the support, always.