@ You're going to be waiting an awfully long time. Risc-V is there as a CPU now, albeit running in FPGA with the attendant power draw. There are currently *no* open GPUs and sadly unlikely to be any within the next 5 years at least.
The best ARM-based CPU is by far the Apple M1 Chip. It is the most powerful of all ARM and ARM-based CPUs and has the best internal graphics of any processor, not just ARM and ARM-based ones - even Intel's UHD 630!
Subscribed, thanks for the video! Would love to see you do a video on the Manjaro Arm OS on the Pinebook Pro, also detailing some of the advantages or disadvantages to running an ARM based system as a daily driver, or even cheap work utility laptop. Thanks :)
I've been thinking of doing such a video, especially now that I've been using it with Manjaro for a couple months now. I do use it as my daily driver but there are some caveats with using ARM for software development and general use.
Does it use some specific kernel because of RK3399 chipset? Because I have a TV box with the same specs and it's great, punchy little thing... But I would be tempted to use Ubuntu Mate so I was wondering..................... A lot. :-)
Yes -- the Ubuntu Mate build uses 4.4.190 with rockchip patches. However, there is much work being done at the moment for getting a mainline kernel working 100% and it seems to be going well.
o Cooling and Noise The Pinebook Pro is passively cooled. As there are no fans, the laptop is completely quiet. Under high cpu load, feelable heat dissipates on the bottom of the case. students.engr.scu.edu/~sschaeck/misc/pinebookpro.html
With Ubuntu Bionic most videos at 1080@60fps run smooth, however videos with very busy scenes did seem to have some skipped frames/stuttering. I am not sure if the situation is any different with the open source panfrost drivers available in the upstream kernel. I do look forward to testing this one Manjaro is release ready!
Great video with chill music. Actually I really wanna buy this laptop but it seems a bit obsolete as I can buy an old Thinkpad with better specs for less money. Yes, I know it is open source hardware, has high battery life, brand new and there is a great community hype about it (I am hyped about it too) but being ARM based gives it a -1 point. Many folks are saying that the era of ARM is gonna finish soon and Risc-V will be the mainstream in the next decade. Would you suggest to buy it or to wait for a better version?
If you have the money available and it suites your needs/workflow, I think it is worth it. As with most any technology, you can always wait for a better version and it will eventually come (although I wouldn't call it obsolete by any means -- it is good hardware for ARM-based systems. If compared to x86 laptops, it is certainly less powerful but that is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison, as there is an implied application difference between the two). And I wouldn't mind if RISC-V became mainstream!
Extra note: Pine64 has released upgrade options in the past, so you likely could upgrade the laptop's "motherboard" to a newer version in the future (if Pine64 does create a future upgrade as I believe it did with the original Pinebook).
6:16, a slight issue with the mouse? What mouse? Don't see any mouse in your video. I think you meant a slight issue with the synaptic touch pad. Otherwise, nice video.
yours worked outta box? i just got mine went through the manjaro setup and now i am on a grey screen of death umm if you'd know what the deal with that is i'd appreciate it
Worked perfectly out of the box for me. Do you have a mouse cursor or anything to indicate you've actually reached the graphical portion of Manjaro? Also, try hitting "Ctrl+Alt+F1" and/or "Ctrl+Alt+F2" to see if you are brought to a lower-level terminal interface. Depending on what is wrong, it might be fixable via this interface. Beyond this, if you have a microSD, the system should prioritize booting from that, so you can download, flash, and use one of the other images (or even a Manjaro one) from wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=Pinebook_Pro_Software_Release
I use it for: * Programming in JavaScript and Go (using vim -- goland worked fine, but visual code is too slow, at least with Ubuntu Bionic). * Front-end website design (vim, marko, node, etc.) * System administration when I'm not at a workstation * Watching youtube/movies (usually at 1080p) * Light gaming. Just open source stuff that can run through gl4es or X11-based. * Writing documentation and similar It's pretty broad, however the key limitation is 3D graphics, at least with the distribution I'm using at the moment (I believe panfrost has further GL/Vulkan support). I also did use it for video editing, but that was a very slow process.
Hmm, I used crispy doom, which is a fork of chocolate doom. You could try running chocolate-doom with "-geometry 1920x1080". Also don't forget to run it via gl4es for best performance!
In general, yes, if you mean making a video, perhaps some time. Otherwise, I'm now running ayufan's Ubuntu Bionic build. Once it is more feature complete, I will likely switch to Manjaro for the more recent kernel.
@@Stobus44 As far as I last checked: no bluetooth, unstable wifi, and sleep issues. However, about every week or two there is a new release candidate implementing previously unworking features -- so once the above issues are cleared, or at least are fairly reliable, I will very likely switch over the internal drive to Manjaro!
Yes, the preloaded distro has a browser already installed. I don't remember exactly, but I think the default is Firefox, though Chromium (and others) can be easily installed. WiFi is easy to connect to.
I’m not any kind of programmer, but the idea of a sub-$300 laptop that comes with a readymade installation of full desktop Linux really has me curious about the possible social benefits. I set up a virtual machine of Manjaro KDE (the distribution they’ve just switched to as the new default for this thing) in Parallels on my Mac, and have been toying around with it. Do you think the community developing this thing might welcome a non-Linux guy into the fold, with user feedback about developing it into a true mass-market product?
Around 8 hours, depending on what you're doing. I'd imagine doing anything really intensive could half that. I've also had it last longer just sitting idle with the display off.
I haven't thoroughly tested it, but I have been using it for 6-8 hours without charging it. According to the battery meter in XFCE, it says 16 hours but I suspect more around 10 or 11.
store.pine64.org/?product=14%e2%80%b3-pinebook-pro-linux-laptop-ansi-us-keyboard-estimated-dispatch-in-december-2019 It is currently out of stock, however pre-orders are supposed to open by the end of this month. I am uncertain how much the coronavirus issue might affect ordering Pinebook Pro, as the Pinephone has been delayed due to that.
My final review, pretty bad computer. It has issues with multiple things u have to do changes to network configs, the desktop is pretty old is gnome2, sometimes shuts down (mine does), the problem is that they are not able to give support and the arm version of Ubuntu is not possible to install I have followed all tutorials to install from SD doesn’t boot doesn’t start any arm Linux distro I finally gave up until maybe something comes up probably a distro would be release or maybe there’s a fix for the sd boot issues I have. Better q thinkpad and install whatever you like.
Unfortunate that you had those experiences, but that is contrary to my own. I had no problems with network configuration out of the box, however I quickly switched to ayufan's Ubuntu Bionic and installed XFCE. Booting to MicroSD and installing to the eMMC module worked great (also following a tutorial on the forum since I am unfamiliar with the ARM boot process). For the most part everything has been great, including networking. I've had a couple random reboots when I was running some high-concurrency programs as well as a few freezes due to overheating (while running demanding software for many hours on an unsuitable surface - aka a blanket). The Pinebook Pro is touted as being a hobbyist-oriented machine, with the usual caveats that software support and development comes from the community over time. And this has certainly been true, with lots of work done by distribution developers such as Manjaro and others. So it is not surprising that some giant corporation that pumps out x86 machines would have easier support. But, this gets better with time, so long as the community continues to grow!
That's the nicest Russian doll ever. 😄
Seeing the staggering price-performance-No-spying ratio, I can't wait for an even more powerful Pinebook with the best ARM has to offer
@ You're going to be waiting an awfully long time. Risc-V is there as a CPU now, albeit running in FPGA with the attendant power draw. There are currently *no* open GPUs and sadly unlikely to be any within the next 5 years at least.
The best ARM-based CPU is by far the Apple M1 Chip. It is the most powerful of all ARM and ARM-based CPUs and has the best internal graphics of any processor, not just ARM and ARM-based ones - even Intel's UHD 630!
One words explains this unboxing experience: Boxception.
subliminal background soundtrack,NICE!...lol!
LOL.. the music is almost from a porn movie
on VHS
Lol thisdude :v
Late nite Skinemax film-esque
Subscribed, thanks for the video!
Would love to see you do a video on the Manjaro Arm OS on the Pinebook Pro, also detailing some of the advantages or disadvantages to running an ARM based system as a daily driver, or even cheap work utility laptop. Thanks :)
I've been thinking of doing such a video, especially now that I've been using it with Manjaro for a couple months now. I do use it as my daily driver but there are some caveats with using ARM for software development and general use.
Nice doom play
I can play wolfenstein just like I did on my 386. Yay
Does it use some specific kernel because of RK3399 chipset? Because I have a TV box with the same specs and it's great, punchy little thing... But I would be tempted to use Ubuntu Mate so I was wondering..................... A lot. :-)
Yes -- the Ubuntu Mate build uses 4.4.190 with rockchip patches. However, there is much work being done at the moment for getting a mainline kernel working 100% and it seems to be going well.
But does it water the cat .. ..
Is it a fanless cooling or a built-in cooling fan?
o Cooling and Noise
The Pinebook Pro is passively cooled. As there are no fans, the laptop is completely quiet. Under high cpu load, feelable heat dissipates on the bottom of the case.
students.engr.scu.edu/~sschaeck/misc/pinebookpro.html
Can it playback 1080p@60fps without dropped frames? TH-cam player have option to show statistic. Please let me know.
With Ubuntu Bionic most videos at 1080@60fps run smooth, however videos with very busy scenes did seem to have some skipped frames/stuttering. I am not sure if the situation is any different with the open source panfrost drivers available in the upstream kernel. I do look forward to testing this one Manjaro is release ready!
Great video with chill music. Actually I really wanna buy this laptop but it seems a bit obsolete as I can buy an old Thinkpad with better specs for less money. Yes, I know it is open source hardware, has high battery life, brand new and there is a great community hype about it (I am hyped about it too) but being ARM based gives it a -1 point. Many folks are saying that the era of ARM is gonna finish soon and Risc-V will be the mainstream in the next decade. Would you suggest to buy it or to wait for a better version?
If you have the money available and it suites your needs/workflow, I think it is worth it. As with most any technology, you can always wait for a better version and it will eventually come (although I wouldn't call it obsolete by any means -- it is good hardware for ARM-based systems. If compared to x86 laptops, it is certainly less powerful but that is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison, as there is an implied application difference between the two).
And I wouldn't mind if RISC-V became mainstream!
Extra note: Pine64 has released upgrade options in the past, so you likely could upgrade the laptop's "motherboard" to a newer version in the future (if Pine64 does create a future upgrade as I believe it did with the original Pinebook).
Dude!! Nice review! I have also subscribed to your channel. So, can you please tell me what's the background track you are playing on this review?
I see the text overlay says "A Rainy day by jeffspeed68"
@@sreenathramanna8881 I added links to the music used in the about section.
6:16, a slight issue with the mouse? What mouse? Don't see any mouse in your video. I think you meant a slight issue with the synaptic touch pad. Otherwise, nice video.
True enough.
yours worked outta box? i just got mine went through the manjaro setup and now i am on a grey screen of death umm if you'd know what the deal with that is i'd appreciate it
Worked perfectly out of the box for me.
Do you have a mouse cursor or anything to indicate you've actually reached the graphical portion of Manjaro?
Also, try hitting "Ctrl+Alt+F1" and/or "Ctrl+Alt+F2" to see if you are brought to a lower-level terminal interface. Depending on what is wrong, it might be fixable via this interface.
Beyond this, if you have a microSD, the system should prioritize booting from that, so you can download, flash, and use one of the other images (or even a Manjaro one) from wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=Pinebook_Pro_Software_Release
@@kettek took me a hot minute but i eventually worked out how to fix it and everything thanks for your feedback anyway!
@@SuperSljames Glad to hear!
what can you use a pinebook pro for?
I use it for:
* Programming in JavaScript and Go (using vim -- goland worked fine, but visual code is too slow, at least with Ubuntu Bionic).
* Front-end website design (vim, marko, node, etc.)
* System administration when I'm not at a workstation
* Watching youtube/movies (usually at 1080p)
* Light gaming. Just open source stuff that can run through gl4es or X11-based.
* Writing documentation and similar
It's pretty broad, however the key limitation is 3D graphics, at least with the distribution I'm using at the moment (I believe panfrost has further GL/Vulkan support). I also did use it for video editing, but that was a very slow process.
What did you use to get doom running? I tried chocolate doom and all I got was some sound and a black screen . Thanks
Hmm, I used crispy doom, which is a fork of chocolate doom. You could try running chocolate-doom with "-geometry 1920x1080".
Also don't forget to run it via gl4es for best performance!
Thank you for reminding me that porn exists, with the porn music playing in the background!
thanks
Can you try other distros?
In general, yes, if you mean making a video, perhaps some time.
Otherwise, I'm now running ayufan's Ubuntu Bionic build. Once it is more feature complete, I will likely switch to Manjaro for the more recent kernel.
@@kettek I would love infact to see Manjaro running without any issues and see the battery life with it.
Thank you
@@kettek What features does Manjaro lack? Trackpad compatibility?
@@Stobus44 As far as I last checked: no bluetooth, unstable wifi, and sleep issues.
However, about every week or two there is a new release candidate implementing previously unworking features -- so once the above issues are cleared, or at least are fairly reliable, I will very likely switch over the internal drive to Manjaro!
It runs kali with some modifications
Is a browser already preinstalled on this? Is it easy to connect to wifi?
Yes, the preloaded distro has a browser already installed. I don't remember exactly, but I think the default is Firefox, though Chromium (and others) can be easily installed. WiFi is easy to connect to.
@@kettek Thank you for the info
Which version of the Doom engine were you playing?
crispy doom
I’m not any kind of programmer, but the idea of a sub-$300 laptop that comes with a readymade installation of full desktop Linux really has me curious about the possible social benefits.
I set up a virtual machine of Manjaro KDE (the distribution they’ve just switched to as the new default for this thing) in Parallels on my Mac, and have been toying around with it.
Do you think the community developing this thing might welcome a non-Linux guy into the fold, with user feedback about developing it into a true mass-market product?
How about the battery life?
Around 8 hours, depending on what you're doing. I'd imagine doing anything really intensive could half that. I've also had it last longer just sitting idle with the display off.
Can it run zdoom or gzdoom ?
how much time it works on battery?
I haven't thoroughly tested it, but I have been using it for 6-8 hours without charging it. According to the battery meter in XFCE, it says 16 hours but I suspect more around 10 or 11.
@@kettek thank you for response.
is it possible click by "soft" tapping on touchscreen?
That would be a nice feature, but the display is not a touchscreen. If you meant the trackpad, you can enable tap-to-click.
@@kettek , yes, trackpad :)
Thanks)
Where can you buy it ?
store.pine64.org/?product=14%e2%80%b3-pinebook-pro-linux-laptop-ansi-us-keyboard-estimated-dispatch-in-december-2019
It is currently out of stock, however pre-orders are supposed to open by the end of this month. I am uncertain how much the coronavirus issue might affect ordering Pinebook Pro, as the Pinephone has been delayed due to that.
battery life?
Roughly 8 hours, give or take depending on what you're doing.
is it a 14 inch or 15 inch?
14.1"
How is psp emulation?
I'm not the most familiar with PSP emulation, but I just ran GTA - Vice City Stories with ppsspp and it seemed pretty smooth.
My final review, pretty bad computer. It has issues with multiple things u have to do changes to network configs, the desktop is pretty old is gnome2, sometimes shuts down (mine does), the problem is that they are not able to give support and the arm version of Ubuntu is not possible to install I have followed all tutorials to install from SD doesn’t boot doesn’t start any arm Linux distro I finally gave up until maybe something comes up probably a distro would be release or maybe there’s a fix for the sd boot issues I have.
Better q thinkpad and install whatever you like.
Unfortunate that you had those experiences, but that is contrary to my own.
I had no problems with network configuration out of the box, however I quickly switched to ayufan's Ubuntu Bionic and installed XFCE. Booting to MicroSD and installing to the eMMC module worked great (also following a tutorial on the forum since I am unfamiliar with the ARM boot process). For the most part everything has been great, including networking. I've had a couple random reboots when I was running some high-concurrency programs as well as a few freezes due to overheating (while running demanding software for many hours on an unsuitable surface - aka a blanket).
The Pinebook Pro is touted as being a hobbyist-oriented machine, with the usual caveats that software support and development comes from the community over time. And this has certainly been true, with lots of work done by distribution developers such as Manjaro and others. So it is not surprising that some giant corporation that pumps out x86 machines would have easier support. But, this gets better with time, so long as the community continues to grow!
Other than being used as a burner computer, this laptop has no use.
I disagree, as I've been using it as my daily driver, laptop-wise. :)
yea this thing seems useless for the most part or such a tiny portion of people.
@@ankh-ef-en-khonsu3274 Whatever you say, chief
what is the quality of the matrix in this laptop?
If you mean the LCD, I find it very nice. Colors are sharp and the contrast is good.
@@kettek thank you for response.