A $99 Laptop?! - Pinebook
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- We got the cheapest laptop we could find- just $99. But is this notebook even usable?.. Depends: do you know how to use Linux?
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2019: but does it run doom?
2020: but does it run zoom?
2022 can it stream doom to my phone?
Ariel Leyva 2023= can it make you zoom your room to doom!?
ZDOOM is an actual version of DOOM though
If it has a processor and a screen, it probably runs Doom.
Everything can run Doom.
My school district: I’ll take your entire stock
My school actually bought 2018 version MacBook Pro, but for high income students only
晴人有機 what do you mean?
Reward the rich for being rich by giving them even more. Punish the poor for being poor by taking more from us to give to the rich. What a wonderful system we have /s
@The Bloody Doctor I never explicitly blamed capitalism alone did I? If you assume that because of other comments in this thread, that means you misunderstood the context of my comment. Things were pretty much the same in Soviet Russia, definitely the same in modern People's Republic of China. The person who made the original comment was named 晴人有機 so I kinda assumed he might have been from a different country anyways. This kind of system exists all over the world and all throughout history; I don't think there's ever been a society or government that hasn't been a plutocracy except maybe small matriarchal tribes. It's called human greed, the biggest flaw of humanity. I can't even pretend I wouldn't be the same way if I became rich myself, even if I tell myself I would never forget where and who I came from.
Brian M I gave up on school/management laptops, better to just carry my MacBook Pro 15 on my back everyday then suffer with those..
“Oh, it’s brighter”
*Screen darkens*
José Afonso lmao
Lol
I thought that it was the camera and not the screen compensating
@@YoshiClapz uP
Usually when a PC is booting it just defaults to full brightness. But once the OS takes over it sets the brightness on its own. Which seems to default to half brightness for this OS.
I really love how honest the PineBook description is; that's rare
It’s rare cus nobody buys it
@@randomstockphotos2348 then how is it out of stock right now?
@@harveyhans cause they don't sell atleast to human
Because it's based on the same hardware as most ARM single board computers there's no reason to lie about it. It's made for people who want to have all-in-one sbc to play with, not a normal laptop.
well there is nothing in there to be dishonest about lol
Linus: Guys this laptop isn't good
Pinebook: *immediately sold out*
They have this video on their website, lol
tFighterPilot LMAO
To be fair I think the the people who pine book is aimed up know the limitations and are ok with that. I was when I was looking at the phones. For every day users of course it's not a good fit it's still a new idea
It's a hobbyist thing. I'm a Linux guy and arm is interesting to me. I'd probably run this laptop mostly without an x server
@@joselaw6669 Yup, Manjaro did not run well on my old AMD E450 device but Solus Mate and Linux Lite were much better...
That looks like one of the "1000 dollar" laptops at my school.
same, they just want to gouge every last penny out of you if you break them.
Amateurs, we have “1500 dollar” iPad 5th generations. NOT iPad pro 4s. Oh and that was the bill to fix a broken screen.
Boomers...
Get the smart nerd tech students together and let them manage everything!
My school has the exact computerz
You mean these look like MacBooks?
Mfs be like: what's the catch
Bro the whole laptop is the catch
😂
Yeah but I don't use a GUI and I need a mobile machine soooo.
@@thegrandnil764 Tbh
@@thegrandnil764 literally why not lol
@@haydenchristensen9278 I only use terminal apps anyway on my main computer, gui is just for the nice backround basically.
On the tty only setup I tile terminal apps using dvtm + abduco, giving me the equvalent of tmux but smaller with wayyyyy better binds.
I browse the web with w3m, read emails with neomutt, edit code with nvim, listen to music with mpd. If I need to watch a video, I have a script that allows me to click on a video in w3m and play it in a small x server. Theres very few reasons I need a gui, mostly gaming, and I won't need that on a tiny workstation.
Linus: "I will never move to that country.... sorry"
Me: Cries in UK
Cries in belgian
Also cries in Germany 😭
Funny thing is that the Canadian French keyboard used in the province of Québec, Canada has the short Shift key as well. So thechnically he's already living in one of these countries, just not at the same extremity of it.
Cries in France :'(
Laughs in portuguese
_Wrong audio out of the box_
Not really though. You did boot from a Manjaro SD card and not from the preinstalled OS.
Like right XD
Yeah, but the original barely worked...
I really think the only audio that was only playing was the" front left /right sounds" , this could of easily be fix by taking off surround sound in the settings maybe putting it in mono mode.
problem with installing linux based os on budget laptops
@@user-tw3th6qp5y nope
When you ask mom for a gaming laptop
Cloud Gaming: allow me to introduce myself
Google Stadia: HUGE SMILE
Chess is perfectly playable
Lucky for me my mom got me the Acer Predator Helios 300
ayyyy nice profile pic
My PC: Finally a worthy opponent.
my pc is really slow but atleast it has windows 10
@@EpicCheeseball You joke?
@@Why72833 no I do not joke
@@Why72833 and I have Lenovo ideapad 100S 14IBR
@@EpicCheeseball 4gb RAM? I only have 2gb on the laptop and 1gb of desktop
Looks like one of those “$500 dollar” computers our school has😂😂😂
the only reason they say that is to charge up the nose if someone breaks them, knowing some of my classmates, it sounds like a very profitable thing to do, morally corrupt though. I personally hate the whole idea.
OMG yeh
My laptop goes for like £200 and it would crush any school laptop, it can even run Minecraft (ThinkPad x240 is objectively the best second hand laptop to get)
Possibly They are $100 computers written on the report as $500, every other 400 goes to the principal and/or teachers. Textbook scheme
12:24 "its only got 32gb of storage so its likely that windows update will be the end of it" LMFAOOO
Not really.. I have an Acer One with 32 gb storage. Windows update used to be a pain but the recent updates allow you to plug in a USB drive for a temporary work around. Thumbs up to Microsoft for that. But really, systems with 32 gb storage shouldn't exist in 2019.
@@wwbren isnt that windows 10s
@@irawanadinugraha1527 no it's windows 10 home
@@irawanadinugraha1527 it's the same thing but with S mode you can't download apps outside the Microsoft store.
@@wwbren Even phones with 32 gb of storage is a pain in 2019.
The TH-cam playback was so choppy because of missing hardware acceleration. There are addons that forces TH-cam to deliver h264 instead of vp9. Decoding vp9 on that machine without hardware acceleration: forget about it.
Or just... i dunno ... install the free driver (its not included cos its not open source) or use a debian based distro that does include it
watching youtube without vp9 is cancerous especially for gaming videos. Google should really bring vp9 to iOS.
@@Itbankrock vp9 is open source, so it's up to Apple itself to bring it to ios
also firefox in linux doesn't perform very well. I've done recent benchmarks to confirm it. it is getting better but you have a much better time with chromium or chrome.
@@jpegxguy I don't think any browser on Linux as of now does hardware video decoding at all. And I'm talking about intel/amd/nvidia now, not some obscure rockchips, lol
Me: Can I have a laptop mom?
Mom: We have one at home
Laptop at home: PINEBOOK
The hilarious thing is that Pinebook have this video on their homepage. haha! Classic!
i appreciate the honesty of the company...good to know what you're buying lol
The company isnt doing this for profit, they are selling this laptop so people can learn about their single board computers and linux. They are not a company but an organization. They wish to inform more end users on the usability of linux for a low price.
@@JohnDoe-wi7eb
@@FederationOfLight No ... what I said is ALSO on their website. Why else would they post this video ?
@@JohnDoe-wi7eb It's ok mate. You're not going to lose your job or anything. You work for an organization, not a company.
To be honest, screen, keyboard, wifi chip, storage, memory... That alone is worth the 99 bucks and it all seems relatively solid. 199 for a much quicker one could be really interesting.
If they had one that could handle word processing I'd buy one just as a cheapy laptop to take to classes.
@@RahnekGaming that could easily handle word processing, just not on windows.
@@RahnekGaming wait for the pinebook pro planned to be lauched this summer
@@RahnekGaming look for netbooks I guess. My Asus Eee PC served me well
@@RahnekGaming i think a 100$ old thinkpad with an 20$ ssd will do more than that
Linus, ARM devices don't have a setup key. If it can't find the file it's looking for, it just doesn't boot.
Depends. If it has UEFI its like a normal laptop but ARM64
That's why most of them have a configurable bootloader... which usually needs a setup key to be pressed in order to show itself.
"ARM Devices" so "Advanced RISC Machine Devices"? that's a new one. kinda like "LCD Display" which means "Liquid Crystal Display Display"
anyways why couldn't there be a sort of BIOS implemented? it doesn't matter what Instruction set the CPU has you can always make a BIOS or BIOS-ish system to choose boot devices and such
@@proxy1035 U-Boot is the only "bios" that can be implemented which would be open source but no graphical interface, only cmdline and with as many features u want.
Ps- AC Current? ;)
@@proxy1035 Or like "LAN Network" :D
"You've been asking for a PC for Christmas for a while, so we got you a little surprise :)"
in the UK, we might have small shift but I can tell you we more than make up for it with the gerth of our enter keys!
That's even worse.
360p video and a $99 dollar laptop.... Sounds about right 😂
true XD
Was thinking the same, then I remembered the video literally just went online
shot with an 8k camera worth more then may users cars
Lol
It the price of being early
"After today's sponsor..."
Me: Hits right arrow key 4 times
Or L two times
@@TheInvisibleOne Ooooh shit, I didn't know about that! Thanks man
mad lad
j to go back 10 secs, k to pause, L to go forward 10 secs
Still good they have sponsors for every video
Pine is a really honest company that sells really honest products most people can't use but everyone loves them lol
10:36 It's probably one of the shift keys, as that usually opens the GRUB menu, where you can select how to boot the machine.
Or it doesn't have that at all, because ARM.
guys, the pinebook pro is out, make a video about it :D
Pro lol everything is called pro now. They got the big Mac pro at McDonalds now. Go review that
@@Freddy_Confetti that is not relevant to the contents of this video. ;-)
@@AndersJackson silence
@@Freddy_Confetti ha, ha, ha.
Still not relevant. :-)
@@Freddy_Confetti ............ Still not relevant
What's most surprising is how much CPU horsepower you need just to read email these days ;)
Use neomutt, a terminal email client designed to strip away all that crap Gmail and associates pile on to their clients.
Michael Thomas woooooossshhh
@@kakashi1234777 Thats not how that works
Nice try. Here's a reference to help you use it correctly next time.
knowyourmeme.com/memes/whoosh-you-missed-the-joke
you cant just leave two tabs in the background especially youtube, that thing has 2GB Ram, maybe it was not even the version of gmail for slow devices
Linus: You get what you pay for
Me: AHEM, SPONSOR!?!
TH-cam: PREMIUM
Hotel: Trivago
@Kevin Wong ooh sponsor block too? i didnt know that existed!!
If i had an ad blocker on i would be watching a blank screen right now…
I wonder how Tiny Core, PuppyOS, and/or Arch + XFCE would do in terms of performance? Might be a fun to use for trying out distros on bare metal.
I got a Gateway LT2016U which is about half the specs (Intel Atom N270 + Intel Mobile 945GSE Express + 1G RAM) of that $99 pinebook to work on modern software using Void Linux + lightweight alternatives such as DWM, QuteBrowser, and using terminal programs. The performance was good enough to score me first place in Kahoot but I still don't know if it can handle Half-Life just yet, Half-Life 2 I didn't meet the minimum requirements for unfortunately according to Steam.
Though it's not exactly how would you run something like that. You would just probably want to abandon DEs all together since they are bloat. Also shrinking the binary size is not gonna boost your perfomance, so i don't see why would you want to run puppy or tiny core since their schtick is extremely low memory foorprint and small binary size, and this guy in the vid has 2 gb of ram and atleast 16 gb of rom, which is a fairly big room to play around with without drastic measures like this. In fact the only choke point for the low spec machines like that are modern web and modern office standarts, both of which can be somewhat circumvented. For web you would just probably have to go with js turned off and maybe you would want to look at something like palemoon(i do not reccomend it in a long run, since it is much slower than mainline firefox in security updates and generally has more attack vectors that are there "by design" like old plugin apis or support for flash), it won't be a smooth expirience, but web nowadays is just fucked since some sites manage to choke even modern machines, so it's just your best bet and it's far from unusable. The second problem though is somewhat different, since unix utilities have A LOT of great office suit software that is not Microsoft Office compatible, but since we are talking about what is relevant today... well i'd go with LaTeX for text documents(or groff, if you want to go all unix till the end, but be aware that latex has much better math typesetting and a lot more packages that can help you in your typesetting,groff is also much more painfull to work with in languages different than english), you can pair it with pandoc to convert it to doc, if you dislike pdfs(also if you do dislike pdfs do try reader other than adobe reader they offer much better expirience), LaTeX and pandoc do require some learning but they are much more powerfull and effective tools than word ever might hope to be(and they always do exactly what you tell them too). Sc or sc-im for spreadsheet calculator - much faster than excel, has a ton of math functions, has plugins to extend them, sc-im has lua support that is GREAT, much better than that vb crapp in excel, also supports plotting with gnuplot, sc-im can read and export excel files, sc-im has great vim-like keybindings. For presentations... well i usually go with reveal.js, but if you are too disgusted to use browsers for your presentations, you can go with LaTeX-Beamer, and your presentations will be pdfs that can be made interactive to a degree, or you can goo full-blown suckless and use that minimalistic show or whatever, though it does only support plaintext and no markup. For emails i would go with neomutt, but you can choose alpine or emacses e-mail client- some say it is good, thunderbird if you want gui, but personally i don't think that you should. As for other stuff - all the classics are more than fine: xorg-for x server, dwm for window manager(you can choose some other wm, but i personally prefery dwm for its simplicity), neovim for text editor, maybe emacs on the side, and all the other sprinkles like dmenu, statusline, etc to suit your taste.
With all that said, apart from some inconviniences with migrating to such workflow - it is not bad, in fact it is faster, more convinient to actually use and can look absolutely stunning if you tinker with theming a little or just download some dudes configurations. I can speak about it confidently since more or less it's my workflow.
Keep in mind that this thing (as well as the Pro model) runs ARM, most distroes are exclusive to x86
@@martinus_mars you would be surprised quite a few work on arm
Thanks Linus, this makes my laptop look like a gaming pc
I mean even when this was made for the price the spec was bad. Back in 2014 I got a Android MiniPC for $75 that had 1.8GHz quad core ARM and a $99 one with 2.2GHz quad.
that red camera was worth it for 360p
only the highest quality pixels anyone has ever seen
@@eleuinvideos ... pre 1997.
@@eleuinvideos I got that reference. :)
@@saltyseaoftears not really. It'll just confuse the crap out of the late arrivals.
Whilst your comment shall always make you look like a grumpy wiseass 😁
LOL! Just read your username! 🤣🤦♂️ It's even more ironic! 😥😂😂
I think that short left shift key might be standard in japan. My mum bought two toshiba laptops back when she moved from russia to japan, and they both had the frustratingly short shift key on the left and that one key beside it that would usually be on the left of the keyboard on a typical US layout.
Linus:this is definetely the best cheapest laptop...
My $50 laptop: Hold my blinking screen...
he meant "brand new" laptops not 2nd hands
@@Crepurple Can't believe a joke is still not relevant to a few people
@@TitaniumTronic i do understand the joke but whatever
@@Crepurple lol
@@Crepurple r/whoooosh
Make a video on the pinebook pro when it comes out.
Yes.
I cant wait for the PRO. its great for someone like me, i have two very large gaming laptops, where this is small and cheaper. so i can spend more money on my better rigs :)
"i have two very large gaming laptops" already, I have so many questions.
@@tohiolover how much do they pay you guys over at Pinebook?
@@deevee5327 lol i have the alienware 17 r3 and the new alienware m17, which isnt super big. but my jobs requires me to be mobile
360p is just a free simulation of the $99 laptop experience.. you're welcome
hahahah yeah
od ke pa to zastavo poznam
@@tryddeus2977 mn je tt znana
lepa je tale zastava
@@anermly86 hmmmmmmmmm le kje sm jo vidu
Nordic left-shift is short. When you grow up with it, you are not bothered by it. But when I write something, I usually use right shift because it is very long and easy to hit, and I have developed muscle memory to it :D I also love the large Enter key we have :)
Here in Brazil it is pretty normal to build notebooks like these and sell them at two thousand moneys
What the hell XD??
_couch couch_ -positivo-
i'm daily driving a positivo notebook until the end of the month, it has 2gb of soldered ram, an uderclocked atom and i had to use linux on it because Windows update completely butfked it :(
@@l0k048 I do too hahahah slow and steady we'll win the race
0:47 It took less than a minute for Linus to drop something
LOL! Me doing anything.
Good catch hahaha
Linus please review the Pinebook Pro when its launched.
I have a Pinebook running RISC OS so it definitely fits the niche ARM based operating system market.
I wonder if it would run better with a Pi slapped in there. I used a Pi4 as a desktop computer for a while an it was perfectly useable for Libreoffice, basic games, vs code, etc. The only problem was that there was basically no wifi antentenna, so the speed was only bearable when placed near the router. Other than that the boot times were snappy, and there was little to no lag anywhere.
"Maybe Windows can save this experience..."
I think you're doomed there buddy...
NoiseBomb *you’re
He had unrealistic expectations
Really wanted to see them force the issue maybe work with Novaspirit Tech to make it boot to Windows just to see what happens.
Yeah but you can’t go further than vista, with a cpu that slow I think the best would be to use xp
@@brunoh.1312 How would you boot windows xp on a non x86 cpu?
Linus: "Short shift standard?! I will not live in that country"
Me: Are you not living in Canada because that's standard in French Canadian Keyboard.
Linus: "Time to move!"
to be fair anywhere out of quebec seems to not have that as commonly soo
It´s actually the ISO keyboard standard - aka everywhere except the USA.
guess I just don't get canadian keyboards
He said it! Quebec is finally a country!
Zeph B. No it’s not...
No one:
My parents when I ask for the budget of a gaming laptop for christmas 0:23
The short left shift is pretty comfortable if you use the tilde symbol a lot, which is often mapped to the key next to it
Classic Linus don’t think we missed 0:48
Lmao
"using the wrong audio device out of the box" wouldn't that be because you booted a new OS? would it not be because the new OS might have seen the HDMI audio driver and set it as default?
He originally tried it stock, before he swapped os.
He's saying out of the box for the OS, not the laptop. A build specifically for this laptop if I recall.
@mikes gt I mean, it's just a question. I'm not saying he's wrong, I was just looking for clarification.
Nope, that's still wrong.
@@SyphistPrime no it isn't, it's just an arm version of manjaro
"I think this short shift is actually standard somewhere"
Hi there, I'm from Finland, we have that short shift as a standard and your namesake Linus Torvalds, the guy who literally wrote Linux, is from around here.
Same I think it's just a European thing
@@PikaChan77v2 As far as I know, it’s in every layout based on the ISO 102/105-key standard. Which covers the majority of keyboard layouts throughout the world (Most of Europe including the UK, . The US (and apparently Canada) use the ANSI 101/104-key (long shift) design as a basis for their keyboard layouts.
Africa appears to use layouts based on either design. In Asia, the Japanese JIS 106/109-key layout (which features elements of both, most strikingly an ANSI-style long left shift and an ISO-style vertical Enter key) appears to have had a fair bit of influence, as well, but there also appear to be layouts based on ISO and ANSI, directly.
I like how it was trying to use the dynamic microphones as speakers lol
360p Squad where are ya?!
here
why don't they ever process their vids fiiiiiiiiiiiirst!!!!
Here
REPRESENT
@Jeffrey Damen i think you're right
Alternative idea: buy a 100 dollar Thinkpad and shove manjaro on it, works better than prob this laptop
i think you could get a t410 or t420 for 100-150$ which will work fine with Win 10
Err.... In case I am really stupid, where is that 100 Dollar Thinkpad offering?
ebay
@@Verpal ebay, Craigslist
$100 of anything on eBay is probably better. The only thing I'd use this for is writing. Boot into CLI and then use Wordgrinder, and you'll need like KB of RAM. I guess Mutt would also work for terminal based e-mail. I wouldn't do much else with this pile of shit.
I got an Intel based, X86 compatible laptop for my work backpack that was only $120.
With a minimal budget, used is the way to go: my Toshiba satellite (AMD A8/8GB Ram/1TB HDD was £200GBP with Win10 Home.
Windows was on it for about a week, it's now running Mint 19.3 with a 5 hour battery life. not bad for a machine that originally came with Win7.
This was like some the of stuff i got stuck with as a teen.
consider it is a raspberry pi with build-in monitor, KB and battery pack is actually not bad for project purpose
I don't see much purpose in using a Raspberry Pi with a display. I have a Raspberry Pi, but it's sitting on the floor next to my router hosting a server for me..
Raspberry pi is surprisingly good for low profile desktop appliances, i.e low power small space etc.The desktop environment is more usable than macos, it has a gpu and a not too bad cpu and ram
@@PseudoResonance that's what I would use a raspberry pi for to but there are more uses for one
It's quite a bit beefier than an RPi, but yeah.
Helluva lot better deal than the Pi-top “laptop” kit for RPi.
Select Drivers=Nonfree in Manjaro boot menu and then boot Manjaro. It will boot Manjaro with proprietary drivers.
thats not the biggest obstacle anyway, you don't really get games (and alot of programs) built on anything other than x86 instruction set
@@lukenaylor7926 that's not true. A lot of the packages are built for ARM. And if it isn't, it isn't hard for you to compile or cross compile the program.
@@Christopher876 maybe he's talking about nonfree software, like steam games. But TBH, good luck managing to run anything other than the minesweeper in that laptop
@@polmarcetsarda I was more so referring to the part about a lot of programs. Really isn't much of a problem since everything you need is open source that could possibly even run on this laptop.
Oh and it does make for a cool little laptop for developing small projects for raspberry pis in vs code.
@@ihatepokemonthings Considering that the actual target audience for this device seems to be Linux geeks/hackers, probably most of them. Last time I used Arch, it was actually pretty easy to compile your own packages if you needed to. Especially compared to... installing Arch in the first place.
To fix the sound volume you need to open alsamixer or instal qasmixer and then set one of the volume sliders on the hardware device (not the PulseAudio layer) to the max.
Do you mean Germany at 1:57?
short left shifts are standart on german - german
and btw: cheers for covering linux stuff like that being most normal thing on your channel now
and at least german keyboards have a normal enter key :D
Yeah I was like: "hey, my laptop has that short key... Wait... My regular keyboard has that short key as well... Wait a second my parents laptops both have a super short shift key as well... Is he talking about Germany?"
Also didn't know other countries were using long versions. Maybe they need to compensate for something?
@@catdisc5304 German (any ISO, really) keyboards compensate for their stubby left shift with an extra chonky enter key. Look up some ANSI keyboards if you wanna see their puny little enter keys
Same for Belgian layout keyboards
same for UK too
Pretty sure a $99 laptop doesn't need USB-C.
Pretty sure a USB-C port would be like a 3rd of the price of the laptop lmao
Pretty sure you don't need a $99 laptop
Why not? Would provide charging and USB i/o.
Oh please don't be ridiculous. They're a few dollars at most.
@@AMABotelho they are expensive to implement there is not like you just change the port... everything should be compatible...
you can get used to short shift on left, some of north eu keybord have them
Short left shift is definitely standard in UK, I like it, perfect size for my pinky
"Lets try to install windows."
As soon as i heard that.. my god... my brain started hurting just by imagining what the boot up for the installer would be like.
I assume fire may be involved
If a raspberry pi 1 runs windows 10 reasonably fast, I think this might be ok
Its possible, the pi does have a port of windows for arm
With windows on arm (at least on raspberry pi) there's no installer.
1: Install Raspbian
2: Play Minecraft
3: ???
4: Profit.
Ohh.... Minecraft Pi, yeah it is free. Good for raspberry pi.
Even better , chrome os and play pubg
I get it! In over simplified hitler draws a list and it goes:
Boost up the army
Take over the world
???
PROFIT!!!!
(This is not a perfect list do not kill me for it)
@@ehab1300 It was a meme a lot before that
3: Attempt to make a eCPU, eGPU and eSSD.
Connect an RTX 3080, i9 and Sata SSD.
Get a gaming mouse.
Stream Minecraft.
2:06 It's standard in the ISO standard, one of the biggest of them, the one with the tall enter key.
A small left Shift is actually standart in germany but we have a extra chonky enter key
Upgrade the board in a future video! There are so many single boards to choose from, and some are decent.. make Anthony get the drivers compiled if there are problems. And try, like, 3 different boards and test benchmarks..
What boards would you recommend?
@@matthewmurphy2631 I wanted to include some recommendations when I commented but I wanted to look some stuff up first. But tbh, what came to mind while I was typing was: whatever odroid is best atm, whatever rock pi 4 version is best (it has SSD support, etc), and I think it might be tinker board I was thinking of too? I wasn't sure but when I looked it up last it was decently spec'ed and had dedicated hardware and windows 10 support. I'd have to look it up.
Edit: lattepanda! Not tinker board.. derp
There's the new Atomic Pi that uses a Intel Atom as a CPU and has 2GB of RAM as 35$, and's pretty decent, can even run Dolphin;
They could always just trim* a raspberry pi and throw it in
for sure this would be interesting.
My PineBook from June-2017 came with Ubuntu Mate 16.04 and I have not / did not encounter the slow performance issues that this particular setup came has.
I also have the 14-inch pinebook, and I love it. I typically use it to SSH into my server, or VNC into my home computer.
the issues shown were purely lack of gpu acceleration in browser (or high load when mixed with compositing, assuming it was enabled)
I physically winced when Linus read the part specs out lol
I think the short shift is standard in germany and scandinavia which is where i got my chromebook (which has that short left shift)
“I think that short left shift is actually standard somewhere”
Well, that's literally the international standard keyboard layout
There is no international standard keyboard layout. The closest to that will be the US international QWERTY keyboard layout, which has 2 long shift keys.
Yes there indeed is an international standard, to be more precise it is the ISO/IEC 9995 standard (where ISO stands for “International organization for standardization”)
Prajwal Gaonkar you are hilariously wrong lol
Jackson Flynn Veitch Belgium, Germany, France and Russia just to name a few off the top of my head. I’m sure that there are many other countries that have a different keyboard layout.
@@jacksonflynnveitch1502 czech republic's default layout is qwertz actually
This is actually a really awesome looking laptop. Good for terminal work, SSH admin and scripting/programming. I'd like to play with it, but $200 for the "Pro" version sounds compelling.
You can catch Chromebooks in the $99 range from time to time that are much better than this.
@@ForSquirelyep, use one as a monitor/keyboard/speaker/everything for my rpi
you can get a good mid-high spec laptop refurbished for $200 no problem from stores on ebay.
@@ForSquirel This is literally a cheap ass brand new laptop for that farmer person in rural part of developing that would only use a computer for email and spreadsheets (presuming rural country also has cheap internet access points). It would last for a long time on a minimal investment but would have greater capabilities than other devices (phone/tablet) at the same price point. This video missed the point of the machine.
it looks like it'd make a goo0d "baby's first" laptop. I could see someone showing this to their kids and saying "This was my first (shitty) laptop 20 years ago"
A lot of optimizations could be done to make this a lot snappier. I would personally use xfce manjaro and strip ANYTHING that's not needed. Stop all start up services and programs that are not needed. Then make sure hardware acceleration is working (linux and video playback hardware accelerations is rough to make sure its working). Then hopefully it would be a bit better.
I like how in the background is his really good gaming rig
the short shift is found in the german qwertz layout.
danke, linus.
French also have a short shift.
I am buying a model m122 keyboard tomorrow and it is an English QWERTY layout and it has the small shift and an iso enter
This sounds like the raspberry pi equivalent of a laptop.
The Pine64 (which is at the heart of this laptop) is actually a RPi-like board but with better specs!
Raspberry pi actually has video drivers and support...
Kinda
I feel like a straight up Pi might do better. They should see if they can swap it
@@DavidFrostbite the raspberry pi 3 would be better for some specs, except everything would have to be compiled for armhf and it would be difficult to switch to anything not on the raspberry pi website. And the option to run it off a hard drive and the ability to overclock the rpi would make it a good option inside the pine64.
7:00 I have has this issue on my old dell laptop as well so I can confirm it is a Manjaro/Linux thing and not a Pinebook thing.
The short shift key is standard on a uk layout
Okay so when does he liquid metal this thing?
Or the Plasti-Dip!
@Coldlight Oracle it doesnt have thermal issues? I read a comment on the hack-a-day review of the pinebook that *suggested* the CPU was thermal throttling, thus slowness.
It's passively cooled. What exactly are you hoping to put liquid metal on? Lol!
Greetings from Germany. I did never know that our SHIFT Button is that tiny in comparison xD. It could be wider but there is an extra button with these symbols instead: < > |
Also i believe that the 120 Dollar Laptop from Aliexpress had much more power.
EDIT: Looks like a lot of european layouts have this tiny shift key (thx to the comments) but for me it never turned out to be a problem :)
Yeah we need this extra key because we have more letters on the keyboard.
Makes it harder for German programmers.
But Taran might look into it (more keys for macros, lol).
Same here in Norway
And same here in Finland
Acutally...there are tons of other regions with a small shift key on the left, including: France, Spain, Latin America, Taiwan, Arabia, Italy, Turky...
Well, the shift key on the right is a long one and you really get used to the short one on the left.
And we have the biggest Enter key!
God that case in the background is so awesome i need it 😍
My school: I see this as a total win!
This might sound crazy, but what if you loaded Android on it instead of a proper OS? There must be several options out there for something like that, right?
It'd be a glorified, probably slow, tablet with a keyboard :3
There are android images available for it with varying degrees of versioning and hardware support.
Or Raspbian Desktop
@@Shocker99 Raspbian wouldn't change anything for this particular device even if it ran. (Raspbian doesn't support this hardware) The problem is that the GPU in this device doesn't have any drivers for video or graphical acceleration, leaving the CPU to do alot of encoding and rendering tasks and ultimately making the device very slow. Even the raspberry pi which raspbian is native to doesn't run perfectly, as it has issues with video acceleration too.
"a proper os"
And Mali GPU was designed for Android, it does a lot more for that OS.
Men, it's an open source sbc laptop. Respect!
I thought he said that it is not Open Source, the graphics chip is proprietary so there's only an incomplete attempt to reverse engineer the graphics acceleration. If verifiably secure Free and open source hardware is your concern, this doesn't seem to be your solution. You probably want a spinning rust HDD on a server you control, running on a 486 since modern BIOS replacements run below ring 0, and can alter the data even when the machine is powered off, so you want to have your laptop use full drive encryption, while mirroring to you hard drive backup.
I think there is actually a huge untapped market for reasonable modern machine that is actually security harden, though, I actually think disabling coprocessor to be good enough, as long as you are not actively monitored by third party.
It is not, at least not the SoC (system on a chip)'s gpu. What he means by that is that, yes, you can compile the Mali 400 driver with the kernel, but its a non-standard driver and requires a very specific openGL implementation to use it (as opposed to being a standard driver that can be used by any gpu accelerated task)
Thats why most people just don't care about using a this chip that, like Linus said, is as powerful as a first gen xbox anyway, and just stick with the framebuffer (the gpu uses the standard fbdev fb thank god)
Meh, i would go with a thinkpad and libreboot
@@eusebiusthunked5259 nah, just get an opensource bios like libreboot in a x220
The left shift is standard in the UK
2:03 the short shift is a standard at here in central europe with qwertz keyboard
"Pick a second hand laptop"
*Wise choice.*
Thinkpads on ebay especially haswell or older, t420, t430, t440, x220, x230, x240 solid cheap daily drivers for work or school. I recommend them a lot
I got my surface pro for 150 bucks practically brand new. When I worked at a pawn shop tweekers would bring all kinds of nice things to us. It passed the police hold so I grabbed it.
Thanks a lot for this video
Short left shift is standard on the French Canadian keybord.
Good one there Linus.
i'm french from France, and our keyboards also have a short left shift ;)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/KB_France.svg/500px-KB_France.svg.png
Their company isn't located in Quebec.
It's the ISO standard.
Same on any Azerty keyboard (France, Belgium)
youtube in browser in a DE on a raspberry pi is also awful, but playing actual 1080p files in fullscreen kodi works fine, so it's definitely an acceleration issue
kn00tcn I believe the reason is that TH-cam uses the VP9 WebM codec for videos, of which hardware acceleration doesn’t exist for older and cheaper graphics chips.
@@Yeen125 Sure, thanks for pointing it out...
Firefox on Linux still (!!!) has no hardware video decoding. That CPU would play the file just fine, just not in FF. Chrome(ium) browsers would at least let youtube work on it.
@kn00tcn, which Raspberry pi are you using? 3 or the new 4?
Reminds me of my hp notebook...though way better in specs with th n2840 chip, i just remember when chrome keeps crashing even when just searching for the web or getting a blue screen everytime i try to watch a 1080p video at full screen
If you need a laptop to actually use some pdf viewer on it then I guess it'll be alright. I had a far lesser tablet for my B.Sc. and it worked like a charm due to the IPS panel.
The processor is slow BUT THEY CHOOSE RESOURCE HUNGRY KDE LINUX? WTH use Lxde or Xfce instead
I was thinking the same thing. I would think a KDE desktop would be to resource heavy for an arm board. To bad you can't use Rasbian on this. They should have just put the Lxde or Xfce like you said
Good think kde uses less resources then all other linux desktops except possibly lxde and pixel. Gnome xfce and all the gnome offshoots all use more than kde. Kde is currently and has been the least resources intensive desktop for quite some time. Unless you go back like 10 years.
@@garyreardon11 yeah, if raspbian would be installed, probably would be good. And I'm sure linus didn't INSTALL manjaro and probably was running it off the live SD?
I know there's gotta be other ARM distros that are better...
Boot to terminal, leave it there.
@@thegardenofeatin5965 if you are in-between a sadomasochist and a power user you might like a window manager like i3
LIGHT WEIGHT BABY
YEAH
I love that LTT is doing more Linux stuff! This is how I know that consumer linux is becoming mainstream
It may become mainstream, but it's still not ready for that
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It's semi ready for gaming if you know what I mean
@@Sithhy it is. even my mum uses it
try this channel if you are interested in that (chris titus tech): th-cam.com/channels/g6gPGh8HU2U01vaFCAsvmQ.html
chris is an awesome tech guy who switched from windows to linux and he makes wonderful content almost every day without spamming sponsors or extended videos for monetarization purposes (mostly short 6-9 minutes videos straight to the point).
He also likes gaming, so lutris, wine, proton, he covers it all.
I am looking for a laptop for the garage, it is more to write about cars and to read out cars, do I think of this enough?
The cpu is, from the looks of it has nearly identical comouting power and the exact same GPU as a Allwinner A33. Allwinner A33 is a $4 SOC from 2014.
"It's got one hell of a gotcha!"
- it runs windows vista!!
That would probably be a lot better, actually. It actually has better memory management than win 7 and driver support is obviously good now.
I'm still using Vista, no complaints.
@@olradguy I can understand using windows vista because you don't have other options, and not having complaints in that regard, but the way you phrased that implies that you have the option to upgrade to 7, so why are you using vista? That's like using ME instead of 2000. Or like using literally any iPhone instead of its samsung counterpart for that generation.
@@annoy4nce648 Don't like 7 or 8, besides Microsoft is dropping support for 7 so i would have to go 8 or 10 i don't think i could upgrade to either with this computer. And being a cheapa$$ i'm not going to buy a new computer when i have a perfectly good working 11 year old laptop.
I love my x240 thinkpad , i only paid 75 bucks for mine. Its hard to sell something like this to a thinkpad lover.
My i7 x230 with 16GB RAM is still kicking serious ass.
>x240
>thinkpad lover
Choose one not both.
That's not the point of this, it's for tinkering with Desktop Linux on ARM, watch the whole video. Also, let's beat up @SaveTheSunF1R3x I'm about to get my hands on an X250 and I love Thinkpads, but I like laptops that look good. Fight me. XD
Drop and SSD in dat bish
I have an x240 as well for 100$, im happy with it :D
Short shift is used in nordic layout
Well the Short shift left side I see in the UK. Thats on my Corsair Keyboard and my works Dell Keyboard. So I think it would be the same on EU boards maybe